Politics Thread

[Strange Brew]

nah not really. Just him.

I don't have a problem with disagreeing with people and debating. I do have a problem with people linking to biased nonsense and passing it off as fact and saying nonsense like "we are the beligerents" with little to no fact to back that up with. Can Lou or someone point me to where the US invaded Ukraine? Maybe I missed that part.

Lou agrees with Putin, a dictator, who is former KGB and believes the propaganda nonsense being spilled out from Russia to their allied news sources...think about that for a moment.

Interesting, you never seem to mind some on here posting links to TPM and/or Politifact. Only Lou’s post seem to bother you. Whether you have the self awareness or not, you are heavily biased.

[Xville]

If I learned anything today, I now fully understand why you stonewalled in providing the basis of your opinions. You really don't have a clue at all as to what's really going on. So sad you still haven't learned anything - no matter how many times you've been lied to over the last couple of years. And yet, you still obviously believe everything the MSM/Gov't spoonfeeds you. That is so incredibly sad that a Xavier grad has that much of an inability to think for themselves, despite a slew of demonstrable lies coming from these same people.

Just ask the people in East Palestine if they think the Feds are telling them the truth....

Still can’t answer simple questions. Sad.

Sad that a Xavier grad will believe everything that comes from a dictator and is so far down the far right rabbit hole that he doesn’t even recognize it. A dictator btw who has lied consistently time and time again, but yet you believe. Yikes.

Sad that a person constantly says stupid shit like “think for themselves” when you don’t.

[Xville]

Interesting, you never seem to mind some on here posting links to TPM and/or Politifact. Only Lou’s post seem to bother you. Whether you have the self awareness or not, you are heavily biased.

The only one that pretty much does that is Paul. I’ve disagreed with Paul on numerous occasions.

yes I am biased against far right nut jobs like lou who post dumb shit like “we are the belligerents” and very obviously knows zero about Soviet Union history, Putin and why he would invade ukraine.

[Xville]

Last try lying lou:

1.) who invaded ukraine?
2.) why did they invade ukraine?
3.) what’s the end game for that invader?
4.) why do you think the us is involved?
5.) why do you love Russia and Putin but hate your own country?

[paulxu]

An interesting recap of some possible explanations for the balloon's journey:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/finally-a-credible-balloon-story

Yes, from TPM since the Post may be behind a paywall for many.

[Strange Brew]

The only one that pretty much does that is Paul. I’ve disagreed with Paul on numerous occasions.

yes I am biased against far right nut jobs like lou who post dumb shit like “we are the belligerents” and very obviously knows zero about Soviet Union history, Putin and why he would invade ukraine.

You are coming across as a far Left nut job.

I agree with Lou on staying the f out of Eastern Europe. Not our fight.

I’ll say it again. Putin needs and will get the Black Sea. Odessa is what he is after. War is awful and after the last 20 years I’m not willing to waste blood and treasure on it. America can’t fix everything. That’s Bush/Cheney era stuff.

But so help me God if Putin goes after Ireland. :)


Edit: 30 years of conflict in the Gulf erupted because some Dick invaded Kuwait. A country most Americans had never heard of before. It actually has its roots in the early to mid 20th C.

[Strange Brew]

An interesting recap of some possible explanations for the balloon's journey:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/finally-a-credible-balloon-story

Yes, from TPM since the Post may be behind a paywall for many.

Seriously Paul. I mean really…

Did TPN happen to have a report on inflation? What happened to all those classified docs at old Joe’s place? How about gas is going to get stupidly expensive this Summer?

See Ville, Paul is a Boomer. Lou is not. My parents are older but they are not “Boomers”.

[XU_Lou]

I wonder if the pro-war / Covid lockdown sheople like Ville and Paul are ever going to accept any responsibility for the millions of people that are going to die because of food shortages that are the direct result of the absolutely lunatic decisions that they supported - like shutting down entire populations due to a virus that was never going to be controlled, and provoking a wholly preventable war.

Yea, the idiotic decisions you support are resulting in major worldwide consequences, because of your unfounded fears and belief in lies:


"Globally, poverty and food insecurity are both on the rise after decades of development gains. Supply chain disruptions, climate change, the COVID-19 pandemic, financial tightening through rising interest rates and the war in Ukraine have caused an unprecedented shock to the global food system, with the most vulnerable hit the hardest. Food inflation remains high in the world, with dozens of countries experiencing double digit inflation. According to WFP, 349 million people across 79 countries are acutely food insecure. "

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2023/02/08/joint-statement-on-the-global-food-and-nutrition-security-crisis


"Yet the world is still in the grips of the worst food crisis in modern history, as Russia’s war in Ukraine shakes global agricultural systems already grappling with the effects of extreme weather and the pandemic. Market conditions may have improved in recent months, but experts do not expect imminent relief.

That means more pain for vulnerable communities already struggling with hunger. It also boosts the risk of starvation and famine in countries such as Somalia, which is contending with what the United Nations describes as a “catastrophic” food emergency."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/business/global-food-crisis-davos/index.html

[Strange Brew]

I wonder if the pro-war / Covid lockdown sheople like Ville and Paul are ever going to accept any responsibility for the millions of people that are going to die because of food shortages that are the direct result of the absolutely lunatic decisions that they supported - like shutting down entire populations due to a virus that was never going to be controlled, and provoking a wholly preventable war.

Yea, the idiotic decisions you support are resulting in major worldwide consequences, because of your unfounded fears and belief in lies:


"Globally, poverty and food insecurity are both on the rise after decades of development gains. Supply chain disruptions, climate change, the COVID-19 pandemic, financial tightening through rising interest rates and the war in Ukraine have caused an unprecedented shock to the global food system, with the most vulnerable hit the hardest. Food inflation remains high in the world, with dozens of countries experiencing double digit inflation. According to WFP, 349 million people across 79 countries are acutely food insecure. "

https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2023/02/08/joint-statement-on-the-global-food-and-nutrition-security-crisis


"Yet the world is still in the grips of the worst food crisis in modern history, as Russia’s war in Ukraine shakes global agricultural systems already grappling with the effects of extreme weather and the pandemic. Market conditions may have improved in recent months, but experts do not expect imminent relief.

That means more pain for vulnerable communities already struggling with hunger. It also boosts the risk of starvation and famine in countries such as Somalia, which is contending with what the United Nations describes as a “catastrophic” food emergency."

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/15/business/global-food-crisis-davos/index.html

All of this is probable however the tone of your first paragraph is what brings ire. It led me to not read the rest in depth.

Edit: And no. No responsibility will be taken. Sooooo, don’t bring problems. Bring solutions.

Cut the spending. Now.
No YoY increases. Period. THE FREE MONEY PERIOD IS OVER.

[Xville]

1. Never supported lockdowns

2. Lou, you’re a fraud who can’t answer simple questions. It’s so sad how much of a liar you are, and you constantly talk about wanting to debate, but when confronted back down. Sad.

3. Tell your boy Putin to get the f out of ukraine, so one reason for the food shortage can start to normalize

[Xville]

You are coming across as a far Left nut job.

I agree with Lou on staying the f out of Eastern Europe. Not our fight.

I’ll say it again. Putin needs and will get the Black Sea. Odessa is what he is after. War is awful and after the last 20 years I’m not willing to waste blood and treasure on it. America can’t fix everything. That’s Bush/Cheney era stuff.

But so help me God if Putin goes after Ireland. :)


Edit: 30 years of conflict in the Gulf erupted because some Dick invaded Kuwait. A country most Americans had never heard of before. It actually has its roots in the early to mid 20th C.

Yeah far left nut jobs are really into war. That’s nice you agree, I don’t. And I definitely do not agree as to what he is inferring about why Putin invaded and the justification to do so.

[paulxu]

Sorry to interrupt your discussions with the balloon story.

Thought it was interesting with the report of following it as it tried to go over Guam and then became sidetracked.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled rantings.

[xukeith]

An interesting recap of some possible explanations for the balloon's journey:

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/finally-a-credible-balloon-story

Yes, from TPM since the Post may be behind a paywall for many.

I hope this is true.

[Masterofreality]

Sorry to interrupt your discussions with the balloon story.

Thought it was interesting with the report of following it as it tried to go over Guam and then became sidetracked.

You can now return to your regularly scheduled rantings.

You know that the US has a big military base on Guam? That the Chinese use every tool they can, including Tik Tok, to spy on us?
Whether it became “sidetracked” or not is just another typical diversion from Biden’s abject incompetence. How did we instantly go from “a spy balloon traverses the entire country and no military leader or the President cares….until people notice” to “ we’re shootings every GD thing down immediately”?
Your President is a dumpster fire disaster and you’re still covering up for his dementia ridden ass.

[XU_Lou]

Yeah far left nut jobs are really into war. That’s nice you agree, I don’t. And I definitely do not agree as to what he is inferring about why Putin invaded and the justification to do so.

Wait, I'm confused. You called me a right wing extremist for not supporting this war. Doesn't that by definition make you the opposite?? By using your own logic?

See, this is precisely why I don't take you seriously. You're not a serious person. You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You're a known liar (still waiting for the list of the 5 home games and 2 road games you tried to tell me you've been to), you literally say anything - whether you believe it or not - to try to win an argument, you have no core values, you don't know anything out of your extremely narrow purview, you consistently argue out of sequence and throw out some really crazy shit to deflect - "you support dictators" "60s old white male who has never left the country" "why do you love Russia and Putin but hate your own country?" This is talk from a crazy-ass whack job.

Hell, you have even lied about not saying something - even after re-posting your quote!

Hell, you can't even tell us why you disagree with the video. Why is that so hard for you to do? 4 pages later, after you started this debate, and still nothing but whining like a little school girl.

[Xville]

Wait, I'm confused. You called me a right wing extremist for not supporting this war. Doesn't that by definition make you the opposite?? By using your own logic?

See, this is precisely why I don't take you seriously. You're not a serious person. You talk out of both sides of your mouth. You're a known liar (still waiting for the list of the 5 home games and 2 road games you tried to tell me you've been to), you literally say anything - whether you believe it or not - to try to win an argument, you have no core values, you don't know anything out of your extremely narrow purview, you consistently argue out of sequence and throw out some really crazy shit to deflect - "you support dictators" "60s old white male who has never left the country" "why do you love Russia and Putin but hate your own country?" This is talk from a crazy-ass whack job.

Hell, you have even lied about not saying something - even after re-posting your quote!

Hell, you can't even tell us why you disagree with the video. Why is that so hard for you to do? 4 pages later, after you started this debate, and still nothing but whining like a little school girl.

Weird, you demand answers from me, but can’t answer simple questions that I posed to you. Wonder why?

I answer your questions, and your retort is errrr democrat, Biden, left wing errr.

I’m not sure what you think debating or critical thinking is, but it’s not posting a bunch of links and using personal insults. You hide behind links.

Also not sure what you mean by me not having core values. Core values is not just looking up what the far right platform is and following it like yourself. That’s just being a sheep who can’t think for themselves.

Lastly, disagreeing with your extremist right wing stance on this topic does not then equate to me being “left wing.” I know that in your extremist world, everything is black and white but the world does not work that way… there is a whole lot of middle. You try so hard to put people in buckets because that is what your right wing extremist ideals and prophets want you to do, but I’d invite you to get out of your basement once in a while to realize that’s not the real world.

[XU_Lou]

Weird, you demand answers from me, but can’t answer simple questions that I posed to you. Wonder why?

I answer your questions, and your retort is errrr democrat, Biden, left wing errr.

I’m not sure what you think debating or critical thinking is, but it’s not posting a bunch of links and using personal insults. You hide behind links.

Also not sure what you mean by me not having core values. Core values is not just looking up what the far right platform is and following it like yourself. That’s just being a sheep who can’t think for themselves.

Lastly, disagreeing with your extremist right wing stance on this topic does not then equate to me being “left wing.” I know that in your extremist world, everything is black and white but the world does not work that way… there is a whole lot of middle. You try so hard to put people in buckets because that is what your right wing extremist ideals and prophets want you to do, but I’d invite you to get out of your basement once in a while to realize that’s not the real world.

No, actually you didn't answer what and why you disagree with the information in the video. Sorry, claiming that it's propaganda isn't a serious answer.

You started this childish argument of yours by claiming the video was Indian propaganda - WITH ZERO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM.

Since then it's been nothing but blah blah blah schoolgirl deflection nonsense from you.



"and using personal insults"

This is so fucking rich - and proves once again why you're a complete joke, and a psychopathic liar with literally no self awareness whatsoever.

Did you forget your very first response to my post? You started right away with the insults - while providing no counterpoints.

This is the game you like to play. And it is a game:


Gotta hand it to lou, he makes no qualms in showing just how partisan he truly is no matter how ridiculous. Someone who critiques and consistently criticizes mainstream media in America, but yet doesn’t see that what he just linked to is pure Russian propaganda thru their buddies over in India . Love it!

[Xville]

No, actually you didn't answer what and why you disagree with the information in the video. Sorry, claiming that it's propaganda isn't a serious answer.

You started this childish argument of yours by claiming the video was Indian propaganda - WITH ZERO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT THAT CLAIM.

Since then it's been nothing but blah blah blah schoolgirl deflection nonsense from you.



"and using personal insults"

This is so fucking rich - and proves once again why you're a complete joke, and a psychopathic liar with literally no self awareness whatsoever.

Did you forget your very first response to my post? You started right away with the insults - while providing no counterpoints.

This is the game you like to play. And it is a game:

Answer the questions, lou then maybe you will be taken seriously and we can debate. Otherwise, you are just a propaganda machine.

The video is the same talking points that Putin used that is mostly nonsense. A bunch of pieces and fluff put together for Putin to try to justify an invasion of a country. Here are the facts lou:

1. In march of last year, ukraine publicly accepted they would not join nato. They offered to become a non-aligned, non-nuclear state.
2. Putin’s original “justification” was to demilitarize and de nazify ukraine.. claims with no basis in evidence, when that was found out, he started using the nato excuse.
3. Putin illegally took crimea in 2014 and committed war crimes. Our president at the time was a little bitch that did nothing.


You are the one that started this when you said we were the belligerents which is the biggest lie ever with no actual facts to back up that ridiculous statement . Again I ask Lou, who invaded ukraine?


I guess you are cool with Putin committing war crimes against civilians in ukraine as well. I mean after all not our problem, right? How sad that a person who was taught at a Jesuit University has that kind of attitude.

[STL_XUfan]

How did we instantly go from “a spy balloon traverses the entire country and no military leader or the President cares….until people notice” to “ we’re shootings every GD thing down immediately”?


There are a few differences.

First, the height of the balloons. The Chinese one was at about 60,000 feet, which is well above civilian commercial air travel. The reports of these recent balloons is that they were closer to 20,000 - 40,000 feet which made them a threat to civilian air travel.

Second, the Chinese one had a payload the size of a few buses. If you shot it out of the sky that has to come down somewhere. If it wasn't poising an immediate threat, why risk having that fall on someone's head. Sure the risk is low if you shoot it down over a rural part of the country, but it certainly isn't zero. The more recent ones reportedly had little to no payload associated with them.

Finally, these latest ones were shot down over water or in uninhabited areas, such as northern Alaska and over Lake Huron. This appears to be consistent with when we decided to take down the Chinese one.

[XU_Lou]

Answer the questions, lou then maybe you will be taken seriously and we can debate. Otherwise, you are just a propaganda machine.

The video is the same talking points that Putin used that is mostly nonsense. A bunch of pieces and fluff put together for Putin to try to justify an invasion of a country. Here are the facts lou:

1. In march of last year, ukraine publicly accepted they would not join nato. They offered to become a non-aligned, non-nuclear state.
2. Putin’s original “justification” was to demilitarize and de nazify ukraine.. claims with no basis in evidence, when that was found out, he started using the nato excuse.
3. Putin illegally took crimea in 2014 and committed war crimes. Our president at the time was a little bitch that did nothing.


You are the one that started this when you said we were the belligerents which is the biggest lie ever with no actual facts to back up that ridiculous statement . Again I ask Lou, who invaded ukraine?


I guess you are cool with Putin committing war crimes against civilians in ukraine as well. I mean after all not our problem, right? How sad that a person who was taught at a Jesuit University has that kind of attitude.

As I said, you have an extremely narrow purview of current events, politics and history. The above is simply cherry-picked Biden talking points that he uses to propagandize simpletons.

Read and learn for once Ville (part 1):


"Two years ago, Burns wrote a memoir entitled, The Back Channel. It directly contradicts the argument being proffered by the administration he now serves. In his book, Burns says over and over that Russians of all ideological stripes—not just Putin—loathed and feared NATO expansion. He quotes a memo he wrote while serving as counselor for political affairs at the US embassy in Moscow in 1995. ‘Hostility to early NATO expansion,” it declares, “is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” On the question of extending NATO membership to Ukraine, Burns’ warnings about the breadth of Russian opposition are even more emphatic. “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin),” he wrote in a 2008 memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. “In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”

https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/bidens-cia-director-doesnt-believe



"June 26, 1997

Dear Mr. President,

We, the undersigned, believe that the current U.S. led effort to expand NATO, the focus of the recent Helsinki and Paris Summits, is a policy error of historic proportions. We believe that NATO expansion will decrease allied security and unsettle European stability for the following reasons:"

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion

[XU_Lou]

Part 2:

"NATO’s aggressive expansion and militarization of former Soviet satellites and territories – in violation of the documented assurances they gave Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev thirty years earlier – was threatening to Russia. Putin drew a red line on expansion in 2008, when the United States (US) and NATO declared that Ukraine and Georgia would become part of the NATO military alliance, during their Bucharest Summit of April 2008.

The US and NATO deviously used the population of Ukraine as expendable bait – like a doomed animal – staked out to entice and ensnare a higher value target that will attack it. The “Russian Bear” trap was carefully crafted, from the US and NATO facilitated coup of the democratically elected Ukrainian government in 2014 to the incessant overtures from NATO, encouraging Ukraine to join them."

https://www.eurasiareview.com/22032022-natos-checkmate-baiting-ukraine-to-provoke-russia-to-invade-oped/



"The most tangible sign of a growing American military presence in Eastern Europe, behind the former Iron Curtain, is tucked inside a former military base in rural Romania.

A second such American site will also be built in Eastern Europe over the next two years, this one near Poland's Baltic coast. It's inside a base that once belonged to the Nazis and later the Soviets.

But Moscow considers the American bases on NATO's eastern flank to be a provocation, a position Russia has maintained ever since the alliance began moving into Eastern Europe in the 1990s, following the Soviet breakup."

https://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2016/05/18/478414178/u-s-enlarges-its-military-footprint-in-eastern-europe-to-mixed-reviews




"Putin sees Ukraine as an existential threat to Russia, believing that if it enters NATO, offensive weaponry will be placed closer to the Russian border, as already is being done in Romania and Poland."

https://theconversation.com/a-historian-corrects-misunderstandings-about-ukrainian-and-russian-history-177697




“High U.S. officials confirm that it was primarily the bombing of Russian ally Serbia — without even informing them in advance — that reversed Russian efforts to work together with the U.S. somehow to construct a post-Cold War European security order,” said Noam Chomsky in a recent interview. This “reversal accelerated with the invasion of Iraq and the bombing of Libya after Russia agreed not to veto a UN Security Council Resolution that NATO at once violated.”

https://theintercept.com/2022/03/07/ukraine-russia-nato-kosovo-war-crimes/



This Is Putin’s War. But America and NATO Aren’t Innocent Bystanders:
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/21/opinion/putin-ukraine-nato.html



Yes, we and NATO have clearly lied to and provoked Russia. Biden did virtually nothing to defuse the situation, nor did he try to seriously negotiate a peace accord prior to the invasion. We have no business being there - this has virtually nothing to do with any US interests. What is the end game, and can it realistically be accomplished without provoking a wider war that could possible involve a nuclear exchange or the deaths of Americans? What are the broader consequences of allowing this war to continue - i.e. massive food shortages, deaths of tens of thousands of Ukranians - after provoking it and never attempting to, or even actively blocking any attempts to bring about a cease fire?

[Xville]

As I said, you have an extremely narrow purview of current events, politics and history. The above is simply cherry-picked Biden talking points that he uses to propagandize simpletons.

Read and learn for once Ville (part 1):


"Two years ago, Burns wrote a memoir entitled, The Back Channel. It directly contradicts the argument being proffered by the administration he now serves. In his book, Burns says over and over that Russians of all ideological stripes—not just Putin—loathed and feared NATO expansion. He quotes a memo he wrote while serving as counselor for political affairs at the US embassy in Moscow in 1995. ‘Hostility to early NATO expansion,” it declares, “is almost universally felt across the domestic political spectrum here.” On the question of extending NATO membership to Ukraine, Burns’ warnings about the breadth of Russian opposition are even more emphatic. “Ukrainian entry into NATO is the brightest of all redlines for the Russian elite (not just Putin),” he wrote in a 2008 memo to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. “In more than two and a half years of conversations with key Russian players, from knuckle-draggers in the dark recesses of the Kremlin to Putin’s sharpest liberal critics, I have yet to find anyone who views Ukraine in NATO as anything other than a direct challenge to Russian interests.”

https://peterbeinart.substack.com/p/bidens-cia-director-doesnt-believe



"June 26, 1997

Dear Mr. President,

We, the undersigned, believe that the current U.S. led effort to expand NATO, the focus of the recent Helsinki and Paris Summits, is a policy error of historic proportions. We believe that NATO expansion will decrease allied security and unsettle European stability for the following reasons:"

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/1997-06/arms-control-today/opposition-nato-expansion

Yeah you have already linked that link once before. It’s a bunch of hearsay with no facts to back up these assertions. And, even if it is true, that still does not justify invading a country, committing war crimes, and certainly does not explain your ridiculous statement that “we are the belligerents.”

Last time I’ll ask. If you don’t answer, then there is no point because you don’t want to debate, you just want to spread your narrative without any real facts:

1.) who invaded whom?
2.) why did they invade?
3.) how is that we are the belligerents?
4.) what is Putin’s end game?
5.) why is someone that is Jesuit educated have the attitude that we should not be helping out a country that is having war crimes brought against it?
6.) why is it that when ukraine publicly accepted that joining NATO would not happen back in March and offered concessions, did Putin not pull out?
7.) why is it you believe Putin talking points?

[XU_Lou]

Yeah you have already linked that link once before. It’s a bunch of hearsay with no facts to back up these assertions. And, even if it is true, that still does not justify invading a country, committing war crimes, and certainly does not explain your ridiculous statement that “we are the belligerents.”

Last time I’ll ask. If you don’t answer, then there is no point because you don’t want to debate, you just want to spread your narrative without any real facts:

1.) who invaded whom?
2.) why did they invade?
3.) how is that we are the belligerents?
4.) what is Putin’s end game?
5.) why is someone that is Jesuit educated have the attitude that we should not be helping out a country that is having war crimes brought against it?


Wow - you read thru all that material VERY quickly. Thanks again for demonstrating that you don't - and have no interest in learning anything outside of your extremely narrow purview.

So sad...

[Xville]

Wow - you read thru all that material VERY quickly. Thanks again for demonstrating that you don't - and have no interest in learning anything outside of your extremely narrow purview.

So sad...

You already linked to it before. I already had read it. Why don’t you go ahead and actually answer my questions instead of continuing to link stuff.

You continue to ask questions and link things without answering. That’s not how you debate, you actually answer the questions posed to you.

Oh and btw ukraine offered a ceasefire almost a year ago and they had discussions with Russia then… guess you forgot that part or maybe it was out of your wide purview.

[XU_Lou]

You already linked to it before. I already had read it. Why don’t you go ahead and actually answer my questions instead of continuing to link stuff.

Are you really that dense, or are you just playing games again because you just got destroyed.

You're too easy....


BTW, you just got caught in another lie!!! I've never posted any of those links before! Not only did you lie about seeing those from me, but you obviously didn't read the above, or the links I previously posted. You lie so much you don't even know you're doing it anymore. What sick human being....

[STL_XUfan]

Can we go back to not quoting XU_lou, it really undermines the usefulness of the mute feature.

[Xville]

Are you really that dense, or are you just playing games again because you just got destroyed.

You're too easy....


BTW, you just got caught in another lie!!! I've never posted any of those links before! Not only did you lie about seeing those from me, but you obviously didn't read the above, or the links I previously posted. You lie so much you don't even know you're doing it anymore. What sick human being....

You’ve posted the first link before. I know it’s hard to keep track, since that’s all you do here, but ok.

Now I see you have zero interest in debating, and only would like to proliferate your narrative, so there is no use for you. Sad for you.

[XU_Lou]

You’ve posted the first link before. I know it’s hard to keep track, since that’s all you do here, but ok.

Now I see you have zero interest in debating, and only would like to proliferate your narrative, so there is no use for you. Sad for you.

Liar, again... I challenge you to find that link in my posts. Prove it....

[Xville]

Liar, again... I challenge you to find that link in my posts. Prove it....

Answer my questions… prove you have some stones for once and you are not just a propaganda machine

[noteggs]

Does a Chinese surveillance balloon only veer off course when a Democrat is office or did this happen under the last administration?

[Masterofreality]

There are a few differences.

First, the height of the balloons. The Chinese one was at about 60,000 feet, which is well above civilian commercial air travel. The reports of these recent balloons is that they were closer to 20,000 - 40,000 feet which made them a threat to civilian air travel.

Second, the Chinese one had a payload the size of a few buses. If you shot it out of the sky that has to come down somewhere. If it wasn't poising an immediate threat, why risk having that fall on someone's head. Sure the risk is low if you shoot it down over a rural part of the country, but it certainly isn't zero. The more recent ones reportedly had little to no payload associated with them.

Finally, these latest ones were shot down over water or in uninhabited areas, such as northern Alaska and over Lake Huron. This appears to be consistent with when we decided to take down the Chinese one.

So US Air defenses are only going to act in “certain” situations? You really believe that a threat could not be dealt with effectively no matter what height or where it was?
If you do and that’s true, it tells you a lot about how at risk we really are.
With all due respect, I call BS.

[paulxu]

You know that the US has a big military base on Guam? That the Chinese use every tool they can, including Tik Tok, to spy on us?
Whether it became “sidetracked” or not is just another typical diversion from Biden’s abject incompetence. How did we instantly go from “a spy balloon traverses the entire country and no military leader or the President cares….until people notice” to “ we’re shootings every GD thing down immediately”?
Your President is a dumpster fire disaster and you’re still covering up for his dementia ridden ass.

What a strange response.
I just posted a link to an article about where the balloon game from and I'm covering for the president's dementia.
Thought people might be interested in the report, which was the first I had read about it.

ps. Yes, I know where Guam is, and that the US has a big military base there. I served on that island in the early 70's.

[xuphan]

Can we go back to not quoting XU_lou, it really undermines the usefulness of the mute feature.

I would just enjoy the comedy relief this thread has become.

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe NORAD should stick to tracking Santa.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe NORAD should stick to tracking Santa.

Maybe. Or maybe leaders should be hired based on merit.

[GoMuskies]

I've been soaking up a bit of Republican Twitter's response to Nikki Haley's announcement that she's running for President, and.....holy fuck we're screwed. Republicans will never vote for anyone normal to be their general election candidate again.

The racists on the left going on about Nikki's first name being Nimrata are pretty disturbing as well.

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Fuck.

[Xville]

I've been soaking up a bit of Republican Twitter's response to Nikki Haley's announcement that she's running for President, and.....holy fuck we're screwed. Republicans will never vote for anyone normal to be their general election candidate again.

The racists on the left going on about Nikki's first name being Nimrata are pretty disturbing as well.

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Fuck.

Really unfortunate but hopefullly that’s just Twitter being Twitter.

Never lost an election, loads of experience including foreign relations. Doesn’t seem to be a complete scumbag, so of course no one likes her.

Our political system is royally fucked up. We will probably have 77 year old misogynistic asshole vs 81 year old senile grandpa in the general again.

[Masterofreality]

What a strange response.
I just posted a link to an article about where the balloon game from and I'm covering for the president's dementia.
Thought people might be interested in the report, which was the first I had read about it.

ps. Yes, I know where Guam is, and that the US has a big military base there. I served on that island in the early 70's.

Hahaha! You post an article from TPM claiming that a Washington Post story is “credible” about how possibly China just “lost control” of a surveillance balloon that was already over Guam and it just magically floated over the entire Continental US with no mention of it, or action from the President until an outcry occurred, started by news reports from Montana publications.
And you don’t see how this whole affair was covered up by Mainstream media with the goal of protecting Biden’s inaction from critique? And also providing excuses for China’s spying?
Man, you do need help.

[XU_Lou]

These are the books Ron DeSantis removed from FLA schools:

https://summit.news/2023/02/16/desantis-reveals-shocking-porn-books-being-removed-from-florida-schools/

[xuphan]

I've been soaking up a bit of Republican Twitter's response to Nikki Haley's announcement that she's running for President, and.....holy fuck we're screwed. Republicans will never vote for anyone normal to be their general election candidate again.

The racists on the left going on about Nikki's first name being Nimrata are pretty disturbing as well.

Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right. Fuck.

We could legitimately have a Trump vs Biden part 2 come 2024. These political parties are a joke.

[Masterofreality]

We could legitimately have a Trump vs Biden part 2 come 2024. These political parties are a joke.

I’ll endorse this post.

[Smails]

We could legitimately have a Trump vs Biden part 2 come 2024. These political parties are a joke.

Please God No

[Muskie in dayton]

We could legitimately have a Trump vs Biden part 2 come 2024. These political parties are a joke.

And an independent/third party will still have zero chance. The people who only vote R or D are a joke.

[UCGRAD4X]

And an independent/third party will still have zero chance. The people who only vote R or D are a joke.

They will not win but they will decide who does.

[paulxu]

With the Dominion lawsuit, the spreading of false stuff by the major Fox anchors gets stamped with their own words.
But, this was fascinating:

The messages also revealed that Rupert Murdoch, the chairman of Fox Corporation, did not believe Trump’s election lies and even floated the idea of having Carlson, Hannity, and Ingraham appear together in prime time to declare Joe Biden as the rightful winner of the election.

Such an act, Murdoch said, “Would go a long way to stop the Trump myth that the election stolen.”

They chose to double down on the lies to keep people from jumping to Newsmax, but what a difference this would have made.
With the sway Fox has over the right wing in the country, if Murdoch could have pulled this off, it might have prevented January 6th.
If Hannity, Carlson, et al. had come out and said there was no big lie (stolen election) it might have died a natural death, instead of fomenting the ongoing rallies and Jan 6th. Let alone continuing to this day.

[bobbiemcgee]

We could legitimately have a Trump vs Biden part 2 come 2024. These political parties are a joke.

Nobody's changing their minds, so trump loses the popular vote again.

[GoMuskies]

Granted, the popular vote is still completely meaningless....

[xuwillie]

Nobody's changing their minds, so trump loses the popular vote again.

Might not be enough but More minorities are changing their minds over this woke left agenda.

[bobbiemcgee]

Granted, the popular vote is still completely meaningless....

Unless you get 51.3%

[GoMuskies]

Unless you get 270 votes in the electoral college

I think this is what you meant to say.

[Smails]

Unless you get 51.3%

Do you understand how a President is elected?

[XU_Lou]

Do you remember when X "I only get my news from CNN" Ville told us on multiple occasions that there was no such thing as natural immunity for Covid, or how many times he told me that I didn't understand what natural immunity was? What a clown...

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/02/17/landmark-study-vindicates-everyone-who-touted-natural-immunity-to-covid-19-n704926

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you understand how a President is elected?

A good start would be not lying about it. Are you an election denier?

[XU_Lou]

With the Dominion lawsuit, the spreading of false stuff by the major Fox anchors gets stamped with their own words.
But, this was fascinating:


They chose to double down on the lies to keep people from jumping to Newsmax, but what a difference this would have made.
With the sway Fox has over the right wing in the country, if Murdoch could have pulled this off, it might have prevented January 6th.
If Hannity, Carlson, et al. had come out and said there was no big lie (stolen election) it might have died a natural death, instead of fomenting the ongoing rallies and Jan 6th. Let alone continuing to this day.


A good start would be not lying about it. Are you an election denier?

As always, the truth eventually comes out with these types of stories.... When will you ever learn???


FOX News Filing Shows DOMINION Voting Systems Executives Including Eric Coomer Knew Its Voting Systems Had Major Security Issues, Was Hacked, and Was “Riddled with Bugs”

"The AP included numerous falsities and biases in its report, so much so that it looked like it was written by Dominion."

Mark Beckstrand, a Dominion Sales Manager, confirmed that other parties “have gotten ahold of [Dominion’s] equipment illicitly” in the past. Beckstrand identified specific instances in Georgia and North Carolina and testified that a Dominion machine was “hacked” in Michigan. Beckstrand confirmed that these security failures were “reported about in the news.”

And just weeks before the 2020 presidential election, Dominion’s Director of Product Strategy and Security, Eric Coomer, acknowledged in private that “our shit is just riddled with bugs.” Indeed, Coomer had been castigating Dominion’s failures for years. In 2019, Coomer noted that “our products suck.” He lamented that “[a]lmost all” of Dominion’s technological failings were “due to our complete f— up in installation.”

In another instance, he identified a “*critical* bug leading to INCORRECT results.” Ex.H4, Coomer Email (Jan. 5, 2018). He went on to note: “It does not get much worse than that.” And while many companies might have resolved their errors, Coomer lamented that “we don’t address our weaknesses effectively!”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/breaking-sht-just-riddled-bugs-fox-news-filing-shows-dominion-knew-voting-systems-major-security-issues/

[Strange Brew]

I’d like to thank J.D Vance for the obvious way to test creek water.

FUBAR..

[xuphan]

I’d like to thank J.D Vance for the obvious way to test creek water.

FUBAR..

Maybe you should thank East Palestine resident Courtney Miller who first showed how polluted the water is and who Vance most likely got his idea from. She is the one who has to raise her kids in this “nuked” community. Wonder if DeWine and Brown drank the “safe” water during their visit? Total fail from the Government from Biden to DeWine.

[XU_Lou]

So Biden just announced that they've given up searching for the 3 objects they shot down. Wow, if that's not a 100% complete clear indication that they now know that Barney Fife gave the order to shoot down $12 hobby balloons - at the cost of $1.6 million (including 1 miss - how the hell does that happen?).

And we're supposed to believe that this clown got 16 million more votes than both Hillary and the Messiah himself? Yea, right....

[Xville]

Oh look I can post biased links and look like an idiot just like lou. Hilarious, you think you are so smart “educating yourself” doing something a monkey can do, while everyone laughs at you.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fox-news-dominion-defamation-lawsuit-tucker-carlson-hannity-ingraham-text-messages-222445711.html

Now admitting yourself to being a conspiracy theorist and election denier. Xavier should take away your diploma if you actually have one.

[X-band '01]

Maybe you should thank East Palestine resident Courtney Miller who first showed how polluted the water is and who Vance most likely got his idea from. She is the one who has to raise her kids in this “nuked” community. Wonder if DeWine and Brown drank the “safe” water during their visit? Total fail from the Government from Biden to DeWine.

Starting to wonder if this is going to be Erin Brockovich 2.0 territory.

[XU_Lou]

I get a kick out of this one every time I read it...


This thread is a bunch of guys circle jerking each other off with partisan info back and forth.

[Xville]

Oh my gosh I’ms so smurt jus like lou

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/text-messages-fox-news-host-165231842.html

What are you going to do about one of your boyfriends talking bad about the other?

[Xville]

I get a kick out of this one every time I read it...

The pistons aren’t quite firing, are they lou?

[XU_Lou]

Hey Ville (they/them), seriously, this is incredibly hilarious - maybe better than Raw....


This thread is a bunch of guys circle jerking each other off with partisan info back and forth.

[Xville]

Not the sharpest knife in the drawer are ya, lou?

Hand the diploma back

[XU_Lou]

Gee, I wonder how many times I have to post this before they/them gets it...


This thread is a bunch of guys circle jerking each other off with partisan info back and forth.

#projection #irony #self-awareness

[Xville]

Gee, I wonder how many times I have to post this before they/them gets it...



#projection #irony #self-awareness

Wow.. you still missed it. Seriously hand your diploma back in. Holy crap

[XU_Lou]

Dude, don't you know it can cause blindness?


This thread is a bunch of guys circle jerking each other off with partisan info back and forth.

[Smails]

A good start would be not lying about it. Are you an election denier?

Absolutely not, never have been. WTF is your point? You brought up something meaningless like the popular vote in the general election and then you get called out for it. You respond by asking people if they are election deniers??? You make no sense...often

[X-band '01]

Maybe Bobbie can tell us the highlights of the Samuel Tilden presidency back in 1876?

[bobbiemcgee]

Republicans won by 1?

[bobbiemcgee]

Absolutely not, never have been. WTF is your point? You brought up something meaningless like the popular vote in the general election and then you get called out for it. You respond by asking people if they are election deniers??? You make no sense...often

Lots of election deniers here. Are you voting for trump again?

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?34510-Do-you-think-the-United-States-just-had-a-free-and-fair-election&highlight=snipe+poll

[Strange Brew]

Maybe you should thank East Palestine resident Courtney Miller who first showed how polluted the water is and who Vance most likely got his idea from. She is the one who has to raise her kids in this “nuked” community. Wonder if DeWine and Brown drank the “safe” water during their visit? Total fail from the Government from Biden to DeWine.

I’m very much aware of the problems with the water in the Ohio Valley. Maybe you should do something about it so Courtney didn’t have to.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe Bobbie can tell us the highlights of the Samuel Tilden presidency back in 1876?

Tilden was President? Who knew. :)

[xuphan]

I’m very much aware of the problems with the water in the Ohio Valley. Maybe you should do something about it so Courtney didn’t have to.

Maybe you should stop thanking politicians who are a week late and a dollar short to the party and start holding them accountable. The people suffer while the politicians and big business get away with it.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe you should stop thanking politicians who are a week late and a dollar short to the party and start holding them accountable. The people suffer while the politicians and big business get away with it.

I agree and maybe you should stop yelling at me about it.

Buy a pack of test strips and let me know how it goes…

[bjf123]

Lots of election deniers here. Are you voting for trump again?


While I’m an election denier (I’m still surprised he won against Hillary), if Trump somehow gets the Republican nomination, which I hope he doesn’t, I’ll gladly vote for him.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[xuphan]

I agree and maybe you should stop yelling at me about it.

Buy a pack of test strips and let me know how it goes…

Glad you agree.

[Smails]

Lots of election deniers here. Are you voting for trump again?

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?34510-Do-you-think-the-United-States-just-had-a-free-and-fair-election&highlight=snipe+poll

Again, I'm not sure what this has to do with the popular vote that you brought up earlier. Try to stay on point here.

[xuwillie]

Lots of election deniers here. Are you voting for trump again?

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?34510-Do-you-think-the-United-States-just-had-a-free-and-fair-election&highlight=snipe+poll

Hope this doesn't happen but If my options are Biden or Trump yes I'd vote for trump. Guess that makes me an election denier. Bobbie isn't playing with a full deck

[Xville]

Do you remember when X "I only get my news from CNN" Ville told us on multiple occasions that there was no such thing as natural immunity for Covid, or how many times he told me that I didn't understand what natural immunity was? What a clown...

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/02/17/landmark-study-vindicates-everyone-who-touted-natural-immunity-to-covid-19-n704926

I bet the 65 million afflicted with long Covid are thrilled with their natural immunity. I never said there wasn’t natural immunity… you is so dumb

So funny that you believe everything you read as long as it supports your narrative completely disregarding their bias. Funny that you always talk about thinking critically, but you do nothing of the sort.

[GoMuskies]

You think 65 million people are afflicted with long Covid?!? In the US?

[Xville]

You think 65 million people are afflicted with long Covid?!? In the US?

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00114-0

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/more-65-million-people-around-world-may-have-long-covid

Worldwide

[GoMuskies]

OK, I think that's probably still an exaggeration (unless you have a pretty liberal definition of long Covid), but that makes more sense.

[Xville]

OK, I think that's probably still an exaggeration (unless you have a pretty liberal definition of long Covid), but that makes more sense.

Maybe, maybe not. I really don’t know.

Really my point is that there is so much we still don’t know about Covid and it’s effects. Yet, we have people like lou who reads constant crap that supports his Covid narrative and it’s “SEE SEE I TOLD YOU… IM RIGHT, all these politicians and the cdc should go to jail… blah blah blah.”

[XU_Lou]

Oh my gosh I’ms so smurt jus like lou


you is so dumb

no comment needed...

[Xville]

no comment needed...

Yikes. You and strange have a really hard time understanding things. However, way to gaslight, your favorite word.

[Strange Brew]

Yikes. You and strange have a really hard time understanding things. However, way to gaslight, your favorite word.

Why am I in your posts again Ville?

I’ll cut you some slack, could be the long COVID.. Haha.

[noteggs]

Lots of election deniers here. Are you voting for trump again?

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?34510-Do-you-think-the-United-States-just-had-a-free-and-fair-election&highlight=snipe+poll

WOW thanks for the trip down memory lane.

I claimed over two years ago in a post in the thread:

1) the Hunter Biden story was suppressed by social media- check
2) it wasn’t Russian disinformation which was the claim of 51 ex-security intel experts- check
3) MSM gave cover to the Russian disinformation story- check
4) did this make the election fair? No because many said this story would have changed their vote- check

Overall, probably wouldn’t have change the results much. Did Biden win? Yes. Did Trump win in 2016? Yes

As many know I’m not really this smart, just know how MSM, social media, and Washington works.

[Muskie in dayton]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00114-0

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/more-65-million-people-around-world-may-have-long-covid

Worldwide

65M people is less than 1% of the world population. Also, the definition of long covid from that study was extremely broad - basically anything potentially covid related after 12-weeks. Finally one of the co-authors, Eric Topol, is one of the most infamous Covid alarmists on Twitter, who's doomsday predictions have failed time and time again. He's not credible.

[Xville]

65M people is less than 1% of the world population. Also, the definition of long covid from that study was extremely broad - basically anything potentially covid related after 12-weeks. Finally one of the co-authors, Eric Topol, is one of the most infamous Covid alarmists on Twitter, who's doomsday predictions have failed time and time again. He's not credible.

https://www.kff.org/policy-watch/long-covid-what-do-latest-data-show/

Here’s from Kaiser regarding the us. My point was more about someone posting a link to one study and acting as if it was the definitive answer on all things Covid. Even one of the main authors was quoted as saying that while natural immunity is good, why not get vaccinated so you don’t end up being one of the ones who end up dead or in the hospital. There is still so much not known about covid especially in the long term.

[XU_Lou]

Actually, there's quite a bit known...


#1) Landmark Study Vindicates Everyone Who Touted Natural Immunity to COVID-19

Of course Fauci and the CDC, et al, knew this was true from day 1. This is virology 101. They used the lie that natural immunity for Covid doesn't exist as one of the justifications for implementing mandatory masks, lockdowns and vaccines. This study simply confirms common sense and our basic understanding of virology, and thus destroys the predicate for implementing universal masks, lockdowns and vaccines.

Moreover, even if you got a covid vaccine, you still stand as much of chance of getting Covid (after protection wanes in a couple of months), and therefore Long-Covid, as those who didn't get the vax.

https://redstate.com/bonchie/2023/02/17/landmark-study-vindicates-everyone-who-touted-natural-immunity-to-covid-19-n704926

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(22)02465-5/fulltext



#2) This is from Dr. Leana Wen, one of the Covid lockdown fanatics on CNN. This was published in the WAPO:

"Two infectious-disease experts I spoke with believe that the number of deaths attributed to covid is far greater than the actual number of people dying from covid. Robin Dretler, an attending physician at Emory Decatur Hospital and the former president of Georgia’s chapter of Infectious Diseases Society of America, estimates that at his hospital, 90 percent of patients diagnosed with covid are actually in the hospital for some other illness."

This isn't anything new. This was well documented ad nauseam on the other thread. One only has to go to the CDC website to see the data for themselves. This completely destroys the predicate for implementing mandatory masks, lockdowns and vaccines.

https://archive.is/Qjvyy#selection-877.0-881.268



#3) 1 in 45,000 - that was the (pre-vaccine) Covid death risk for people under 50 - including people with severe comorbidities.

Covid doesn't present any meaningful danger to healthy individuals below the age of 50 - or even 60. Again, this isn't new. In fact, it was documented fairly early during the pandemic. This has been confirmed by many other studies, as well as CDC data itself, and was also well documented ad nauseam on the other thread. Again, this completely destroys the predicate for implementing mandatory masks, lockdowns and vaccines.

Hell, a 42-year-old male has a higher chance of dying from a brain aneurysm or a heart attack as a result of arguing with anonymous posters on a BB board than he does from Covid.

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/1-in-45000

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.02.09.23285703v1

[XU_Lou]

No comment needed.....


From the NY Times yesterday:

The Mask Mandates Did Nothing. Will Any Lessons Be Learned?

The most rigorous and comprehensive analysis of scientific studies conducted on the efficacy of masks for reducing the spread of respiratory illnesses — including Covid-19 — was published late last month. Its conclusions, said Tom Jefferson, the Oxford epidemiologist who is its lead author, were unambiguous.

“There is just no evidence that they” — masks — “make any difference,” he told the journalist Maryanne Demasi. “Full stop.”

But, wait, hold on. What about N-95 masks, as opposed to lower-quality surgical or cloth masks?

“Makes no difference — none of it,” said Jefferson.

What about the studies that initially persuaded policymakers to impose mask mandates?

“They were convinced by non-randomized studies, flawed observational studies.”


Those skeptics who were furiously mocked as cranks and occasionally censored as “misinformers” for opposing mandates were right.


https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/21/opinion/do-mask-mandates-work.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare


Okay, I will comment: The house of cards that Fauci, the CDC, Democrats and the media built has completely crashed. NOTHING about the official narrative was true. NOTHING!!

[Xville]

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2023/2/22/23609499/masks-covid-coronavirus-cochrane-review-pandemic-science-studies-infection

[noteggs]

What did we learn over the 3 years with covid? Keep politics out of medicine.

You had one administration look foolish by having the president interjecting opinion in the medical covid pressers. While another administration blaming the unvaccinated for the disease.

Also we saw one of the most premier medical associations in the CDC, look like an arm to special interests. Finally, we censored differing opinions from experts. What the hell happened to the science I grew up with!

Whether or not we agree on masking, it did give some confidence to go out and live a somewhat healthy lifestyle vs staying isolated at home. On the other hand, it gave the government way too much power from very flimsy data.

What’s the chances we learned anything moving forward from this cluster f? One could hope for better readiness and response. But I doubt it.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hope this doesn't happen but If my options are Biden or Trump yes I'd vote for trump. Guess that makes me an election denier. Bobbie isn't playing with a full deck

Yes it does. Your playing a full deck of jokers.

[Smails]

Yes it does. Your playing a full deck of jokers.

So anyone who votes for Trump in the next election over Biden is an election denier? Explain to me how that works...I can't wait

[GoMuskies]

If it's Trump v. Biden, I might vote Trump if there is no decent third option. There's zero chance I'll vote for Trump in a primary (and since we have a caucus system that's a pain in the ass I probably won't vote at all...but if I didn't it definitely would not be for Trump).

[GoMuskies]

Also, I have no doubt Trump lost the 2020 election fair and square.

[xuphan]

If it's Trump v. Biden, I might vote Trump if there is no decent third option. There's zero chance I'll vote for Trump in a primary (and since we have a caucus system that's a pain in the ass I probably won't vote at all...but if I didn't it definitely would not be for Trump).

The sad part is that it very well could be Trump vs Biden. Do we need a max age limit to run for president? You have to be at least 35 to run maybe there should be an age limit of 60 or less to run. If you are older than 60, you are too old to run.

[Masterofreality]

Has anybody noticed how badly this Dem push to put “gender diversity” rather than actual qualifications in public officials has gone?
-Mayor Pete is an awful Transportation Secretary
-Karine Jean Pierre is the worst WH Press Secretary ever in my life. (To be fair, she doesn’t have much to work with)
-“Rachel” Levine is an abject joke as a Health Secretary.
-Sam Brinson (fired) is a felon kleptomaniac.

Great job team!!

[Masterofreality]

Yes it does. Your playing a full deck of jokers.

The Chief Joker is in the White House

[Masterofreality]

Also, I have no doubt Trump lost the 2020 election fair and square.

I endorse this post

[X-band '01]

The Chief Joker is in the White House

More of a Wild Draw 4 if you ask me.

[Muskie in dayton]

There is still so much not known about covid especially in the long term.
Only if you're not paying attention.

[Muskie in dayton]

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/future-perfect/2023/2/22/23609499/masks-covid-coronavirus-cochrane-review-pandemic-science-studies-infection
You posted a link to an article from a far left source without comment. Why?

[paulxu]

Quelle surprise:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/media/dominion-fox-news/index.html

(Just think how many people believed, and still believe, this nonsense.)

[Strange Brew]

Quelle surprise:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/27/media/dominion-fox-news/index.html

(Just think how many people believed, and still believe, this nonsense.)

Haha, wow. You’re a lost soul Paul. Now you trust Murdoch and Dominion?

Will wonders never cease….

[paulxu]

I think it's reasonable to believe Murdoch didn't lie in a deposition about giving Kushner Biden's ads and strategy.

You think he was lying?

[GoMuskies]

Chicago is going to miss Lori Lightfoot. Well, if Brandon Johnson wins the runoff, they actually MIGHT miss her.

[Strange Brew]

I think it's reasonable to believe Murdoch didn't lie in a deposition about giving Kushner Biden's ads and strategy.

You think he was lying?

I don’t but so what?

[Xville]

I don’t but so what?

So, let me get this straight. You don’t think it’s a big deal that a media company that heavily influences one side of the aisle admitted that they essentially lied to rile up a base? Don’t a whole lot of people constantly pound the table about the bias of msm?

[GoMuskies]

So, let me get this straight. You don’t think it’s a big deal that a media company that heavily influences one side of the aisle admitted that they essentially lied to rile up a base? Don’t a whole lot of people constantly pound the table about the bias of msm?

MSM is horrendously biased. Fox is MSM.

[Strange Brew]

So, let me get this straight. You don’t think it’s a big deal that a media company that heavily influences one side of the aisle admitted that they essentially lied to rile up a base? Don’t a whole lot of people constantly pound the table about the bias of msm?

Kind of like what most of the media on the other side does. Including FB and Twitter (until recently).

[paulxu]

Chicago is going to miss Lori Lightfoot. Well, if Brandon Johnson wins the runoff, they actually MIGHT miss her.

Just think of all the Let's Go Brandon stickers :)

[Xville]

Kind of like what most of the media on the other side does. Including FB and Twitter (until recently).

Sure. So to say, so what?

Kind of a big deal, whether it’s from whatever side of the media it’s from. This is the kind of stuff that further divides our country. That’s the answer to your “so what?”

[Strange Brew]

Sure. So to say, so what?

Kind of a big deal, whether it’s from whatever side of the media it’s from. This is the kind of stuff that further divides our country. That’s the answer to your “so what?”

Ok, I expect a similar response from you when other outlets lie. Didn’t hear much from you on the Russia collusion lie, Hunter’s laptop coverup and the MSMs downplaying (lies) about the Rona lab leak. Don’t forget Hands up, Don’t shoot was a lie as well.

The real story here is Fox (Tucker) has or will have access to the Jan 6th footage so folks like Paul are using this case in an attempt to shoot the messenger before anything comes out.

[Xville]

Ok, I expect a similar response from you when other outlets lie. Didn’t hear much from you on the Russia collusion lie, Hunter’s laptop coverup and the MSMs downplaying (lies) about the Rona lab leak. Don’t forget Hands up, Don’t shoot was a lie as well.

Shocking, whataboutism from you. You were the one who decided to comment on the post, then ask so what. If you want to continue to deflect, that’s your prerogative I guess

[Strange Brew]

Shocking, whataboutism from you. You were the one who decided to comment on the post, then ask so what. If you want to continue to deflect, that’s your prerogative I guess

The point really is, so what. A Fox Op-Ed personally may have lied. I figure the personalities set a narrative and I take what they say with a grain of salt. That said, I don’t watch Tucker or Hannity.

You decided to respond to my post Ville.

[Xville]

The point really is, so what. A Fox Op-Ed personally may have lied. I figure the personalities set a narrative and I take what they say with a grain of salt. That said, I don’t watch Tucker or Hannity.

You decided to respond to my post Ville.

That’s nice that you take what they say with a grain of salt, others don’t. That’s the point and that’s the “ so what”

You certainly have deflected since Paul’s post.

Unsure of why you can’t just admit it’s a problem this occurred.

[Strange Brew]

That’s nice that you take what they say with a grain of salt, others don’t. That’s the point and that’s the “ so what”

Tale as old as time going back to Cronkite and beyond.

[Strange Brew]

That’s nice that you take what they say with a grain of salt, others don’t. That’s the point and that’s the “ so what”

You certainly have deflected since Paul’s post.

Unsure of why you can’t just admit it’s a problem this occurred.

Is it a problem? Sure. Is it a big problem? Probably not.

Soooo, so what.

[Masterofreality]

Chicago is going to miss Lori Lightfoot. Well, if Brandon Johnson wins the runoff, they actually MIGHT miss her.

Never trust Chicago voters to do the right thing.
After Daley’s dynasty they are lost.

[XU_Lou]

Ok, I expect a similar response from you when other outlets lie. Didn’t hear much from you on the Russia collusion lie, Hunter’s laptop coverup and the MSMs downplaying (lies) about the Rona lab leak. Don’t forget Hands up, Don’t shoot was a lie as well.

The real story here is Fox (Tucker) has or will have access to the Jan 6th footage so folks like Paul are using this case in an attempt to shoot the messenger before anything comes out.

This is just scratching the surface. There are a boat load of lies about several major national and world events that have been told by the liberal media over the last several years that have been proven to be 100% false. How many times has Paul, Bobbie and Ville come on this board with their rock solid "gotcha" moments, only to be embarrassed after the truth comes out weeks, months or years later?

I'll wait for the truth to come out before closing the book on this topic....

To say there was no election fraud; to say there was no major election fraud in 2020 is pure willful ignorance. Was there enough to overturn the election? That remains to be seen.

Finally, read those screaming headlines on the MSM regarding this story - do they really match the actual quotes of the FN hosts?

“Dominion has mischaracterized the record, cherry-picked quotes stripped of key context and spilled considerable ink on facts that are irrelevant under black-letter principles of defamation law.”

[XU_Lou]

And don't forget this:


FOX News Filing Shows DOMINION Voting Systems Executives Including Eric Coomer Knew Its Voting Systems Had Major Security Issues, Was Hacked, and Was “Riddled with Bugs”

"The AP included numerous falsities and biases in its report, so much so that it looked like it was written by Dominion."

Mark Beckstrand, a Dominion Sales Manager, confirmed that other parties “have gotten ahold of [Dominion’s] equipment illicitly” in the past. Beckstrand identified specific instances in Georgia and North Carolina and testified that a Dominion machine was “hacked” in Michigan. Beckstrand confirmed that these security failures were “reported about in the news.”

And just weeks before the 2020 presidential election, Dominion’s Director of Product Strategy and Security, Eric Coomer, acknowledged in private that “our shit is just riddled with bugs.” Indeed, Coomer had been castigating Dominion’s failures for years. In 2019, Coomer noted that “our products suck.” He lamented that “[a]lmost all” of Dominion’s technological failings were “due to our complete f— up in installation.”

In another instance, he identified a “*critical* bug leading to INCORRECT results.” Ex.H4, Coomer Email (Jan. 5, 2018). He went on to note: “It does not get much worse than that.” And while many companies might have resolved their errors, Coomer lamented that “we don’t address our weaknesses effectively!”

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/02/breaking-sht-just-riddled-bugs-fox-news-filing-shows-dominion-knew-voting-systems-major-security-issues/

[xuphan]

I am just going to leave this here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1631061189076688902?cxt=HHwWjIC93c_g2KItAAAA

I know I have said this on a number of occasions, but how do these people get elected?

[Strange Brew]

I am just going to leave this here.

https://mobile.twitter.com/laurenboebert/status/1631061189076688902?cxt=HHwWjIC93c_g2KItAAAA

I know I have said this on a number of occasions, but how do these people get elected?

Not sure what is wrong with that Tweet.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not sure what is wrong with that Tweet.

I think regardless of political opinion, we can all agree the fuck with Alaska and Hawaii, right??

[Strange Brew]

I think regardless of political opinion, we can all agree the fuck with Alaska and Hawaii, right??

I think some are taking the Tweet too literally or finding something to complain about. I think and hope you all got the point.

Edit: You forgot the mysterious additional 7 states Obama talked about. :)

[GoMuskies]

Trump v Biden Part Deux looking increasingly likely. From a weekly political update I receive:

Emerson College Poll: Emerson College is reporting the results of their latest national survey (2/24-25; 1,060 US registered voters; interactive voice response system & online panel) and while some of the results are consistent with other polling – former President Trump leading Gov. Ron DeSantis and the GOP field by a wide margin nationally; President Biden upside down on the job approval question (44:50%) – other data points are proving more interesting.

First, in the general election ballot test, Mr. Trump records a 46-42% edge over President Biden nationally, which is one of his better polling showings. Second, in contrast to several other recent national polls, the 476 tested Democratic primary voters give overwhelming support, 71%, to President Biden as the 2024 party nominee. Interestingly, a whopping 85% within the youngest segment, those aged 18-34, are supportive of this position. Third, while Mr. Trump records a 55-25% national lead over Gov. DeSantis, the latter manages to gain among Hispanics, college educated Republican voters, GOP voters over 65, and Midwest respondents when compared with Emerson’s January poll.

[XUOWNSUC]

Trump v Biden Part Deux looking increasingly likely. From a weekly political update I receive:

Emerson College Poll: Emerson College is reporting the results of their latest national survey (2/24-25; 1,060 US registered voters; interactive voice response system & online panel) and while some of the results are consistent with other polling – former President Trump leading Gov. Ron DeSantis and the GOP field by a wide margin nationally; President Biden upside down on the job approval question (44:50%) – other data points are proving more interesting.

First, in the general election ballot test, Mr. Trump records a 46-42% edge over President Biden nationally, which is one of his better polling showings. Second, in contrast to several other recent national polls, the 476 tested Democratic primary voters give overwhelming support, 71%, to President Biden as the 2024 party nominee. Interestingly, a whopping 85% within the youngest segment, those aged 18-34, are supportive of this position. Third, while Mr. Trump records a 55-25% national lead over Gov. DeSantis, the latter manages to gain among Hispanics, college educated Republican voters, GOP voters over 65, and Midwest respondents when compared with Emerson’s January poll.

That sucks. Makes me want to throw up. Trump will not win against anybody - I don't care what the polls say. I do not want another frickin four years of a Democrat as President. Literally, put anybody else in as the Reublican candidate, they most likely win. God, I wish Republicans would wake up.

[bobbiemcgee]

To say there was no election fraud; to say there was no major election fraud in 2020 is pure willful ignorance. Was there enough to overturn the election? That remains to be seen.
[/I]

There was no election fraud. 60 court cases mostly by trump judges said no. Your an idiot if you can't count. 7 million votes all fraudulent? You post far right wing conspiracy theories all day. Nobody reads them.

[XU_Lou]

There was no election fraud. 60 court cases mostly by trump judges said no. Your an idiot if you can't count. 7 million votes all fraudulent? You post far right wing conspiracy theories all day. Nobody reads them.

Apparently you do! Thanks for being a loyal listener...

[XU_Lou]

There was no election fraud. 60 court cases mostly by trump judges said no. Your an idiot if you can't count. 7 million votes all fraudulent? You post far right wing conspiracy theories all day. Nobody reads them.

Hey Bobbie - don't you know that America has an extreme shortage of conspiracy theories right now? Because they've all been proven to be true....

[xuphan]

There was no election fraud. 60 court cases mostly by trump judges said no. Your an idiot if you can't count. 7 million votes all fraudulent? You post far right wing conspiracy theories all day. Nobody reads them.

Hey Bobbie, did any of these 60 court cases identify fraud in states that Trump won or were they only on states that Biden won?

[bobbiemcgee]

Hey Bobbie, did any of these 60 court cases identify fraud in states that Trump won or were they only on states that Biden won?

Huh? There was no fraud in any state. Texas sued pa, ga, wisc, and Michigan - loser. 1 paragraph from Scotus. Why would he sue in states he won?
"the application for injunctive relief is denied". - Alito

[Xville]

Hey Bobbie - don't you know that America has an extreme shortage of conspiracy theories right now? Because they've all been proven to be true....

You’re an idiot. Chastising msm while linking far right nonsense that you’re convinced is all true and has no bias. Hand your diploma back in.

[XU_Lou]

You’re an idiot.

Sure, Ville....


Oh my gosh I’ms so smurt jus like lou


you is so dumb

[Xville]

Sure, Ville....

Your ignorance is astounding. You don’t even understand I was making fun of you with those statements. Just, wow.

Back to your basement.

[paulxu]

Hey Bobbie, did any of these 60 court cases identify fraud in states that Trump won or were they only on states that Biden won?

That was good for a chuckle.

[xuphan]

Huh? There was no fraud in any state. Texas sued pa, ga, wisc, and Michigan - loser. 1 paragraph from Scotus. Why would he sue in states he won?
"the application for injunctive relief is denied". - Alito

Why would Trump say that the election was stolen from him then?

[xuphan]

Bobbie, Trump vs Biden in 2024. Who you taking?

[Strange Brew]

You’re an idiot. Chastising msm while linking far right nonsense that you’re convinced is all true and has no bias. Hand your diploma back in.

Maybe you could post something unbiased from Vox to set him straight. Lol.

[Xville]

Maybe you could post something unbiased from Vox to set him straight. Lol.

You should teach him all about the Supreme Court lol

[Strange Brew]

You should teach him all about the Supreme Court lol

Still haven’t done your reading yet…lol

[XU_Lou]

This is a perfect example of how our lemming media works:


"But in the early months of the pandemic, then-CNN president Jeff Zucker would not allow his network to chase down the lab-leak story because he believed it was a "Trump talking point," according to a well-placed CNN insider."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/credibility-crisis-cnn-boss-ordered-staff-not-chase-down-covid-lab-leak-theory



And this happened just after Fauci did his best to hide his complicity in this mass murder:

"On February 1, 2020, Dr. Anthony Fauci, Dr. Francis Collins, and at least eleven other
scientists convened a conference call to discuss COVID-19.1 It was on this conference call that
Drs. Fauci and Collins were first warned that COVID-19 may have leaked from a lab in Wuhan,
China and, further, may have been intentionally genetically manipulated.2

Only three days later, on February 4, 2020, four participants of the conference call
authored a paper entitled “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2” (Proximal Origin) and sent a
draft to Drs. Fauci and Collins.3 Prior to final publication in Nature Medicine, the paper was sent
to Dr. Fauci for editing and approval.4

On April 16, 2020, slightly more than two months after the original conference call, Dr.
Collins emailed Dr. Fauci expressing dismay that Proximal Origin—which they saw prior to
publication and were given the opportunity to edit—did not squash the lab leak hypothesis and
asks if the NIH can do more to “put down” the lab leak hypothesis.5
The next day—after Dr. Collins explicitly asked for more public pressure—Dr. Fauci cited Proximal Origin from the
White House podium when asked if COVID-19 leaked from a lab.6 "

https://oversight.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2023.03.05-SSCP-Memo-Re.-New-Evidence.Proximal-Origin.pdf

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2023/03/06/republicans-demand-accountability-following-reports-of-fauci-commissioning-paper-to-discredit-lab-leak-theory/

[Masterofreality]

Fauci should be in jail as an accomplice to Mass Murder.

New emails show Fauci commissioned paper in Feb. 2020 to disprove Wuhan lab leak theory | NY Post

“ New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

“There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human. ”

[Strange Brew]

Fauci should be in jail as an accomplice to Mass Murder.

New emails show Fauci commissioned paper in Feb. 2020 to disprove Wuhan lab leak theory | NY Post

“ New emails uncovered by House Republicans probing the COVID-19 pandemic reveal the deceptive nature of Dr. Anthony Fauci.

They show he “prompted” or commissioned — and had final approval on — a scientific paper written specifically in February 2020 to disprove the theory that the virus leaked from a lab in Wuhan, China.

Eight weeks later, Fauci stood at a White House press conference alongside President Donald Trump and cited that paper as evidence that the lab leak theory was implausible while pretending it had nothing to do with him and he did not know the authors.

“There was a study recently,” he told reporters on April 17, 2020, when asked if the virus could have come from a Chinese lab, “where a group of highly qualified evolutionary virologists looked at the sequences … in bats as they evolve and the mutations that it took to get to the point where it is now is totally consistent with a jump of a species from an animal to a human. ”

How dare you. The man is "science" in his words.

[Xville]

Still haven’t done your reading yet…lol

You still haven’t taken a high school government class lol. You should take a constitutional law class and say the Supreme Court doesn’t interpret it, and please videotape it and post on here so we can all laugh with the rest of the class.

[Strange Brew]

You still haven’t taken a high school government class lol. You should take a constitutional law class and say the Supreme Court doesn’t interpret it, and please videotape it and post on here so we can all laugh with the rest of the class.

Hmm, pretty sure I’ve taken those classes. Have you? Lmfao.

Shall we revisit your brilliance on COVID and other things?

Tell me about Article III Jefferson..you total ass.

[GoMuskies]

The video of the Capitol Police giving the shaman dude a guided tour of the Capitol Building on 1/6/21 was pretty odd.

[Xville]

Hmm, pretty sure I’ve taken those classes. Have you? Lmfao.

Shall we revisit your brilliance on COVID and other things?

Tell me about Article III Jefferson..you total ass.

What you don’t seem to understand or get thru your thick skull is that I’m not arguing on how the Supreme Court should or has interpreted the constitution. You have argued that the Supreme Court doesn’t interpret the constitution at all, which is concerning.

[Strange Brew]

What you don’t seem to understand or get thru your thick skull is that I’m not arguing on how the Supreme Court should or has interpreted the constitution. You have argued that the Supreme Court doesn’t interpret the constitution at all, which is concerning.

That was not my argument at all. Wrong again Ville.

[XU_Lou]

Hmm, pretty sure I’ve taken those classes. Have you? Lmfao.

Shall we revisit your brilliance on COVID and other things?

Tell me about Article III Jefferson..you total ass.

Hey, hey, hey, I thought we were supposed to be nice....

[Xville]

That was not my argument at all. Wrong again Ville.

Ok, considering that’s what you have said multiple times, I guess you can understand my confusion.

[Strange Brew]

Ok, considering that’s what you have said multiple times, I guess you can understand my confusion.

What do you think I said Ville?

[XU_Lou]

What do you think I said Ville?

I wouldn't get too worked-up about this. It's just another one of his games he likes to play....

[XU_Lou]

The video of the Capitol Police giving the shaman dude a guided tour of the Capitol Building on 1/6/21 was pretty odd.

Perhaps your disconnect comes from the fact that the Democrats and liberal media seize upon stories to craft a narrative (see Russian collusion, Covid, Cov Cath kid, Hunter laptop, right wing white nationalists being the biggest threat "to our Democracy", etc, etc.), only to have it proven false weeks, months or years later. The insurrection "narrative" is totally bogus - it's precisely why they hid this video for 2 years.

[XU_Lou]

Perhaps your disconnect comes from the fact that the Democrats and liberal media seize upon stories to craft a narrative (see Russian collusion, Covid, Cov Cath kid, Hunter laptop, right wing white nationalists being the biggest threat "to our Democracy", etc, etc.), only to have it proven false weeks, months or years later. The insurrection "narrative" is totally bogus - it's precisely why they hid this video for 2 years.


For those of you who don't know what we're talking about: https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2023/03/07/infuriating-greg-price-lays-out-exact-lies-the-j6-committee-pushed-so-far-point-by-damning-point/

https://rumble.com/v2c1pb8-epic-tucker-carlson-opening-annihilates-democratdeep-states-jan.-6-insurrec.html


How much of this was fomented by the FBI? Who's Ray Epps?

[XU_Lou]

Did Terry Yeakey really commit suicide?

"Terry Yeakey ... was an Oklahoma City police officer and a military veteran. Yeakey saved at least three people from the ruins of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building on April 19, 1995, the day a terrorist attack killed 168 people and injured hundreds of others.

Something happened to Yeakey in those hours in the wreckage. He was badly shaken, and his worldview seemed to change. In time, he grew suspicious and afraid. He ran afoul of his supervisors. He went on secret missions, withholding his motives and plans from fellow officers. He seemed to be conducting his own investigation.

And then, 385 days after the bombing, his body was found near some trees in a field off a country road."


If anything, this is a crazy story: https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/03/us/oklahoma-city-bombing-yeakey-death-cec-cnnphotos/

[paulxu]

This must be some of that Trump Derangement Syndrome you guys are always talking about:


Fox News host Tucker Carlson called then-President Donald Trump “a demonic force” and “a destroyer” in a text to his producer after thousands of Trump supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

“But he’s not going to destroy us,” Carlson added in the text,


“We are very, very close to being able to ignore Trump most nights,” Carlson texted on Jan. 4, 2021. “I truly can’t wait.”

“I hate him passionately,” he added.

[noteggs]

I think it has more to do with how do we destroy the messenger because someone dared to share stories (some distorted by the committee) we’ve never heard before?

Listen we can agree J6 was f’ed up, but what’s wrong with hearing more of the story? It was not peaceful. However, we were forced fed a narrative from one side for two years.

How much have you heard/reported about the inconsistencies being told by the rest of MSM. You know about Epps, Hawley, and artificial crowd noise thing. Not much, if at all.

[paulxu]

I'm not sure we were "force fed" a narrative. If you're watching an insurrection live, and people are bowling over the police in real time, and other people are trying to reach the president...begging him to call them off...does seeing some of them who breached the police line wandering the halls because there weren't enough cops there to evict them at that point...does that change the narrative? Is it less of a riot?

It's like someone said..you could watch the video of Kennedy in the car approaching Dealay Plaza and say all was OK.
Or you could look at him being shot.
The earlier video doesn't change what happened. It doesn't lessen the deed.

Watching some of the people who broke in wandering the halls doesn't change the basic facts. They weren't "tourists."
Tourists don't cross police barricades and force themselves inside a tourist attraction.

[XU_Lou]

So timely Paul!! And sooooooooo expected!

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response.


"So ask yourself one thing: In all the post-broadcast ranting about the Tucker Carlson Menace — and let’s not kid ourselves, he may invade Poland at any moment — how many politicians and media figures have you heard specifically addressing Carlson’s three narrow fact claims about Chansley, Hawley, and Sicknick?"

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response. It’s chaff, and it’s meant to cloud the air.

https://chrisbray.substack.com/p/come-to-the-light-little-buttercups


Yes, we were "force fed" a narrative. To deny that is 100% pure delusion. Sorry, Paul, your narrative just got destroyed...

[XU_Lou]

This is Joe Biden's America - this is the absolute fucking crap that Paul voted for:


The Sniper who lost arm and leg in suicide blast tearfully recalls how he was IGNORED when he spotted suspect, moments before hundreds of ball bearings ripped through his body:

"'Over the communication network, we passed that there was a potential threat and that there was an IED attack imminent - this was as serious as it could get.

'I requested engagement authority while my team leader was ready on the M110 semi-automatic sniper system,' he added.

'The response, leadership did not have engagement authority for us, do not engage,' he said."



And then, to add insult to injury, Joe Biden / Paul's government didn't have the guts or the curtesy to ask this soldier who gave up his body to ask for his opinion:

"Even after his catastrophic injuries, Vargas-Andrews claimed no one asked him for a report."


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11836787/Marine-wounded-Kabul-suicide-blast-criticizes-Bidens-Afghanistan-withdrawal.html



Yea, Paul, keep bitchin about Trump and Tucker....

[Xville]

it's funny watching the lemmings all of a sudden turn away from their boy, tucker because reality is too much to handle regarding trump and dominion etc but in the same breath take his word as gospel for Jan 6th. Absolutely hysterical.

Tucker is probably laughing at you lemmings once he goes off the air, “can’t believe they actually believe the shit I say on a nightly basis.”

[XU_Lou]

Cable News Ratings Overload Tue Mar 7

Fox News had more total and 25 to 54 year old demo viewers than MSNBC, CNN, Newsmax & NewsNation combined.

Primetime Average Demo | Total Viewers
1⃣
@FoxNews
404,000 | 3,057,000
2⃣
@MSNBC
163,667 | 1,494,333
3⃣
@CNN
94,333 | 448,667
4⃣
@NewsNation
17,667 | 122,667
5⃣
@Newsmax
8,333 | 98,000

https://twitter.com/RoadMN/status/1633591746155237376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1633591746155237376%7Ctwgr% 5E56e01ef7732dcb6bf501c791b266f5ca1ba1f185%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftwitchy.com%2Fdougp-3137%2F2023%2F03%2F08%2Fhere-are-tucker-carlsons-j6-show-ratings-compared-to-other-cable-nets-guarding-the-narrative%2F

https://www.mediaite.com/daily-ratings/cable-news-ratings-tuesday-march-7-fox-news-scores-6-times-more-viewers-than-cnn-in-prime-time/


Tucker Carlson, who's very much in the news right now, drew 4.14 million viewers at 8 p.m., a massive delivery for a regularly-scheduled cable news program:

https://www.adweek.com/tvnewser/tuesday-march-7-scoreboard-fox-news-gaining-viewers-during-turbulent-week/525573/

[XU_Lou]

I'm not sure we were "force fed" a narrative. If you're watching an insurrection live, and people are bowling over the police in real time, and other people are trying to reach the president...begging him to call them off...does seeing some of them who breached the police line wandering the halls because there weren't enough cops there to evict them at that point...does that change the narrative? Is it less of a riot?

It's like someone said..you could watch the video of Kennedy in the car approaching Dealay Plaza and say all was OK.
Or you could look at him being shot.
The earlier video doesn't change what happened. It doesn't lessen the deed.

Watching some of the people who broke in wandering the halls doesn't change the basic facts. They weren't "tourists."
Tourists don't cross police barricades and force themselves inside a tourist attraction.

Hey Paul - here's some hard data showing your lying narrative has been destroyed - - and this poll was taken BEFORE Tucker's expose:

* 61% Believe Feds Helped Incite Capitol Riot - including 39% who think it’s Very Likely

* 80% of Likely U.S. Voters believe it is important that the public be able to view all the videos of the Capitol riot, including 58% who think it’s Very Important.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/biden_administration/61_believe_feds_helped_incite_capitol_riot

After the country has had some time to digest what Tucker has published, those numbers will grow even higher.

In the end, the liars are always exposed...

[paulxu]

I'm glad to have this explanation for why all the rioters, including ones charged with sedition, have pled/or been found guilty.
And it certainly explains all the Republicans denouncing the "Tucker" stuff.

Much clearer now.

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile Paul ignores actual sedition vs the Atlanta Police department by Leftist Antifa rioters, including a lawyer for the Southern Poverty Law Center, who threw Molotov Cocktails at officers at a Police Training Center. Didn’t see any of those officers leading people around on a guided tour? Hmm

[XU_Lou]

I'm glad to have this explanation for why all the rioters, including ones charged with sedition, have pled/or been found guilty.
And it certainly explains all the Republicans denouncing the "Tucker" stuff.

Much clearer now.

Do you have a reading comprehension problem?

Did you even watch Tucker the last 3 nights? Or are you just taking your talking points from Rachel?

When someone makes specific claims, and the responses are not specific, the response is not a response. You're not responding to what Tucker presented. This is why everyone on this board knows your a total fraud.


Oh yea, I'm so glad to see your on the same side as Mitch. See, we on the right - that is team sanity/reality - have always had a strong diversity of thought within our ranks. I know, that's pretty shocking to you coming from a party that demands blind obedience - no matter how insane the policy or issue is.

[Masterofreality]

Well, well well. The National Archives has discovered 9, that's NINE more boxes of Classified Documents IN BOSTON that Biden had removed from the Penn Center BEFORE the FBI visit back in 2022.

Where are the dramatic TV cameras and the outrage over the cavalier handling of this stuff by the current White House occupant? Where are all the Biden honks on this board to condemn these suspicious activities??? And why were documents MOVED TO BOSTON and not turned over????

[Xville]

Yes remember Paul everything Tucker says and does is gospel as long as it fits Lou’s narrative. Unless of course it doesn’t in regards to trump and dominion. That must be where that “diversity of thought comes from” lol. Tucker laughs all the way to the bank as you fall for his bs over and over again.

Lou doesn’t understand Tucker is painting a narrative just like Rachel and her buddies do for eyeballs. Tucker has even admitted to it countless times over, yet lou the lemming just comes back for more, and chooses to ignore that, since it fits his opinions.

[bjf123]

It’s possible I’ve already posted this somewhere in the almost 14,000 posts in this thread. If I did, sorry for the repeat.

Those of you in Cincinnati might remember when Darryl Parks was program director at 700 WLW. He also did a Saturday talk show. He talked about his 5 rules, the first two of which apply big time to the back and forth about Tapper and Carlson.

Rule #1 - It’s all about ratings and revenue.
Rule #2 - Never let the facts get in the way of a good talk show.

Everyone needs to remember these because they accurately describe whats going on.


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Thought it time to resurrect a post of mine from last summer. People need to understand that, for the most part, objective journalism is pretty much a thing of the past. It really is all about ratings and revenue. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., are in the entertainment business first and foremost.


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[noteggs]

I'm not sure we were "force fed" a narrative. If you're watching an insurrection live, and people are bowling over the police in real time, and other people are trying to reach the president...begging him to call them off...does seeing some of them who breached the police line wandering the halls because there weren't enough cops there to evict them at that point...does that change the narrative? Is it less of a riot?

It's like someone said..you could watch the video of Kennedy in the car approaching Dealay Plaza and say all was OK.
Or you could look at him being shot.
The earlier video doesn't change what happened. It doesn't lessen the deed.

Watching some of the people who broke in wandering the halls doesn't change the basic facts. They weren't "tourists."
Tourists don't cross police barricades and force themselves inside a tourist attraction.

Think we are talking around each other once again. As I mentioned several times before, yes really unacceptable and bad shit happened by Trump supporters and Trump himself on J6. No dispute here because it played out before us.

Not my point with my post. When you have an investigative committee from one side (with 2 R’s who have the same agenda), you have a forced fed narrative. Period. Kinda like the definition of politics. This also goes for showing only part of the evidence that advances their cause. After creating their narrative, the Democrats used this in the 2022 midterms. You know the whole threat to democracy stuff.

As usual, MSM followed the Democrats narrative in lock step. Like I suggested earlier, how are you not at all intellectually curious about the rest? Just get it out there, then people can make up their mind. I’m not talking about the wondering people in the Capital, but the other irregularities? Baffling.

[paulxu]

Just like Washington, in Atlanta hundreds were arrested.
Unlike DC, I'm not trying to call them tourists. Those that broke the law should be punished.

Maybe we could pay Tucker to whitewash the whole deal. That's what Republican Senators are saying about him and the Capitol insurrection.
Of course that might be because they were running for their lives.
Somehow everybody overlooks that. Imagine...tourists scaring Senators/Congressmen to safe spaces.


Sen. Mike Rounds (R-S.D.) agreed that a wide distribution of the video would have been better and echoed his colleagues, saying: “I was there on Jan. 6. I saw what happened. It clearly was violent. It was an insurrection.”


Sen. Kevin Cramer (R-N.D.), once a vocal supporter of former president Donald Trump who has consistently denounced the attack, was blunt in his assessment of Carlson’s narrative: “To somehow put [Jan. 6] in the same category as a permitted peaceful protest is just a lie.”


“I was there Jan. 6. It was not peaceful, it was an abomination,” Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), who did not watch the Carlson show, told reporters Tuesday. “And there’s no way to pretty it up.”

I know these guys were there that day, but apparently they are liars. Oh well

[XU_Lou]

Just like Washington, in Atlanta hundreds were arrested.
Unlike DC, I'm not trying to call them tourists. Those that broke the law should be punished.

Maybe we could pay Tucker to whitewash the whole deal. That's what Republican Senators are saying about him and the Capitol insurrection.
Of course that might be because they were running for their lives.
Somehow everybody overlooks that. Imagine...tourists scaring Senators/Congressmen to safe spaces.


I know these guys were there that day, but apparently they are liars. Oh well

You, just like these Rs are lying through your teeth. Again, what did Tucker say that was incorrect? Why is this so hard for you to answer?

Again, your commenting on something you didn't see. Hell, one of those Senators you quoted admitted he didn't watch!! Are you fucking serious!!

[XU_Lou]

I guess the Biden's couldn't find a "real" woman to honor on International Women's Day? What a total disgrace...

"Twitter laughs, groans as Jill Biden gives biological male Women of Courage award: 'Up your game, ladies'"

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-laughs-groans-jill-biden-gives-biological-male-women-courage-award-game-ladies


Then, to add insult to injury, the Biden administration just ruled that "Trans women can compete in USA Powerlifting".

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trans-women-usa-powerlifting-competition-ruling/


Team Insanity continues to rule I guess....

[xuphan]

Thought it time to resurrect a post of mine from last summer. People need to understand that, for the most part, objective journalism is pretty much a thing of the past. It really is all about ratings and revenue. Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, CBS, etc., are in the entertainment business first and foremost.


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Totally agree but they are also political propaganda outlets. They do nothing to report on the actual news itself but to spin it to fit their political agenda. So much so that people who watch these programs on a regular basis are just exposing themselves to political propaganda similar to what North Korea and Russians deal with. There are times where I feel like Americans on the far right/left hate fellow Americans on the far left/right more than terrorist which is just crazy to me. Why? As you mentioned in your post it all has to do with money from both advertisers and from their affiliated political party. The guy at the coffee shop I go to once said that politicians could commit any type of crime imaginable and there would still be people from their affiliated party and news outlets that would spin it to keep them in power. Hard not to agree.

[XU_Lou]

There is no way to avoid this moment. The formal letter of apology. From me. To Conservatives and to those who “put America first” everywhere.

It’s tempting to sweep this confrontation with my own gullibility under the rug — to “move on” without every acknowledging that I was duped, and that as a result I made mistakes in judgement, and that these mistakes, multiplied by the tens of thousands and millions on the part of people just like me, hurt millions of other people like you all, in existential ways.

But that erasure of personal and public history would be wrong.

I owe you a full-throated apology.

I believed a farrago of lies. And, as a result of these lies, and my credulity — and the credulity of people similarly situated to me - many conservatives’ reputations are being tarnished, on false bases.

The proximate cause of this letter of apology is the airing, two nights ago, of excepts from tens of thousands of hours of security camera footage from the United States Capitol taken on Jan 6, 2021.

- - Dr Naomi Wolf


It continues: https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

[Masterofreality]

*Taps Mike*
Hey Everybody!! How’s this economy doing under Joe Biden??
I guess I’d better short sell everything and buy CD’s!

[GoMuskies]

Make sure to stay under FDIC limits on those CDs, because it's not looking great for banks right now.

[XU_Lou]

Also, watch out for anything long term, as Biden is coming for your unrealized gains as well.

[Strange Brew]

Also, watch out for anything long term, as Biden is coming for your unrealized gains as well.

Heard that whisper. Things like taxing the equity gains on a house (that hasn't been sold), however no credits if it loses value.

[GoMuskies]

I watched some highlights of the Taibbi/Schellenberger Congressional testimony, and it is all so painful. Our Congressional representatives are too often just so fucking stupid. I know it's a tough job to do well, but we really need to do a better job in picking/electing candidates. Members of the House are particularly prone to stupidity given the nature of their districts.

[XU_Lou]

Heard that whisper. Things like taxing the equity gains on a house (that hasn't been sold), however no credits if it loses value.

Are you serious!?! I did not hear that. I thought that it only applied to investments (not a home). Wow! If the Rs can't win on that alone (ignoring the destruction going on everywhere else), they will never win again. They need to be spending every single penny on ads on this.

[XU_Lou]

Heard that whisper. Things like taxing the equity gains on a house (that hasn't been sold), however no credits if it loses value.


Are you serious!?! I did not hear that. I thought that it only applied to investments (not a home). Wow! If the Rs can't win on that alone (ignoring the destruction going on everywhere else), they will never win again. They need to be spending every single penny on ads on this.

SB - to be clear, it looks like this proposal would only impact HHs with > $100 million in assets. Is this your understanding as well? Also, I couldn't find anything specifically about homes, but it would seem to make sense that it would be included in "assets".

Having said that, this would still be incredibly destructive. Besides it being unconstitutional, it will drive investments made by the rich offshore. In the end, there will be less tax revenues, and a weaker economy. Pure madness!!!

Oh Paul and Bobbie, you don't believe that? Look at the flight from CA, NY, IL and NJ for proof - that is exactly what will happen.

[XU_Lou]

Well, well, well - a new J6 video has just emerged showing the "Q-Anon Shaman" telling demonstrators to ‘Go Home’, ‘Remain Peaceful’, ‘We Are Not Antifa’

This is quite amazing:

1) It provides even more evidence that Tucker was 100% correct in his expose about Jacob Chansley

2) The Feds and Democrat's J6 committee hid this key clip from the public to form THEIR fake narrative on what happened that day

3) Most importantly, the Biden admin hid this clip from Chansley's lawyers, which is exculpatory evidence that he's not guilty of the crimes he's been charged with. Was he guilty of trespassing - maybe/likely? I heard he may have been invited into the Capital by CP, however.

4) The fact that the Biden Admin hid this video from Chansley and his lawyers, his case should be thrown out, and he should be freed immediately. Moreover, his sentence of 41 months is excessive.

5) Finally, this is another nail in the Democrats fake narrative of what really happened that day.

https://twitter.com/NewsBecker/status/1634045877999501312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1634045877999501312%7Ctwgr% 5E25ee5b6edce650db409f61c8ed5c6a65f5025e10%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fnationalfile.com%2Fj6-video-q-shaman-told-demonstrators-to-go-home-remain-peaceful-we-are-not-antifa%2F

https://nationalfile.com/j6-video-q-shaman-told-demonstrators-to-go-home-remain-peaceful-we-are-not-antifa/



In related news, this strange video has emerged:

https://rumble.com/v2cf9v6-newly-released-jan.-6-video-shows-fed-breaking-window-blaming-bullying-prot.html

[Strange Brew]

SB - to be clear, it looks like this proposal would only impact HHs with > $100 million in assets. Is this your understanding as well? Also, I couldn't find anything specifically about homes, but it would seem to make sense that it would be included in "assets".

Having said that, this would still be incredibly destructive. Besides it being unconstitutional, it will drive investments made by the rich offshore. In the end, there will be less tax revenues, and a weaker economy. Pure madness!!!

Oh Paul and Bobbie, you don't believe that? Look at the flight from CA, NY, IL and NJ for proof - that is exactly what will happen.

I posted on this a while back about a wealth tax theory floating around in academia. It may have been two years ago. Can't find the post or remember the name of the theory but I was warned it was coming because the last two D admins rely heavily on "experts" instead of facts/common sense.

See Fauci for a recent example.

[noteggs]

There is no way to avoid this moment. The formal letter of apology. From me. To Conservatives and to those who “put America first” everywhere.

It’s tempting to sweep this confrontation with my own gullibility under the rug — to “move on” without every acknowledging that I was duped, and that as a result I made mistakes in judgement, and that these mistakes, multiplied by the tens of thousands and millions on the part of people just like me, hurt millions of other people like you all, in existential ways.

But that erasure of personal and public history would be wrong.

I owe you a full-throated apology.

I believed a farrago of lies. And, as a result of these lies, and my credulity — and the credulity of people similarly situated to me - many conservatives’ reputations are being tarnished, on false bases.

The proximate cause of this letter of apology is the airing, two nights ago, of excepts from tens of thousands of hours of security camera footage from the United States Capitol taken on Jan 6, 2021.

- - Dr Naomi Wolf


It continues: https://naomiwolf.substack.com/p/dear-conservatives-i-am-sorry

I realize some have Lou on ignore so I apologize in advance for replying to his quote. However this thought provoking article is pretty much spot in my opinion and summarizes my stance on the J6 committee and the legacy media.

Also, discusses the need to get all the facts out before we can make educated decisions about the politics of the day. If you don’t want to read because Lou sent it, I get that too. Worth the read IMHO…thanks for sharing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Our Congressional representatives are too often just so fucking stupid. I know it's a tough job to do well, but we really need to do a better job in picking/electing candidates. Members of the House are particularly prone to stupidity given the nature of their districts.

MTG runs the republican party now. She has McCarthy's balls in a vise.

[GoMuskies]

MTG runs the republican party now. She has McCarthy's balls in a vise.

She's a moron. The idiocy in the House is bi-fucking-partisan.

[xuphan]

She's a moron. The idiocy in the Hourse is bi-fucking-partisan.

Can you imagine a 2028 election between AOC vs MTG. Might be the nail in the coffin for this country.

[bjf123]

Can you imagine a 2028 election between AOC vs MTG. Might be the nail in the coffin for this country.

That would be an election where a 3rd party candidate might actually win!


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[paulxu]

Innocent (?) man, Jacob Chansley, upon being sentenced to 41 months in prison for his part in the tourism (?) in the Capitol:



“Gandhi would allow his loyalty to God and truth to guide him to accepting responsibility,” Chansley said. “I was wrong for entering the Capitol. I have no excuse. No excuse whatsoever. My behavior was indefensible."

[GoMuskies]

Allocution

[paulxu]

Allocution

Exactly...following a guilty plea.

[GoMuskies]

Exactly...following a guilty plea.

Yeah, pretty much compelled speech.

[paulxu]

Well, well, well - a new J6 video has just emerged showing the "Q-Anon Shaman" telling demonstrators to ‘Go Home’, ‘Remain Peaceful’, ‘We Are Not Antifa’

This is quite amazing:

1) It provides even more evidence that Tucker was 100% correct in his expose about Jacob Chansley

2) The Feds and Democrat's J6 committee hid this key clip from the public to form THEIR fake narrative on what happened that day

3) Most importantly, the Biden admin hid this clip from Chansley's lawyers, which is exculpatory evidence that he's not guilty of the crimes he's been charged with. Was he guilty of trespassing - maybe/likely? I heard he may have been invited into the Capital by CP, however.

4) The fact that the Biden Admin hid this video from Chansley and his lawyers, his case should be thrown out, and he should be freed immediately. Moreover, his sentence of 41 months is excessive.

5) Finally, this is another nail in the Democrats fake narrative of what really happened that day.

What a great example of how easily Fox can dupe people. The video noted above (the nail in the coffin) was available to Chansley's defense team, and introduced as evidence in his hearings, by his own defense team, as he sought bail.

https://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1634339310269878277

[XU_Lou]

What a great example of how easily Fox can dupe people. The video noted above (the nail in the coffin) was available to Chansley's defense team, and introduced as evidence in his hearings, by his own defense team, as he sought bail.

https://twitter.com/alanfeuer/status/1634339310269878277

Except this clip didn't come from Fox!! Nice inference!! And Tucker didn't show it. And it was never made public by the J6 Committee - which would've impacted the fake narrative they tried to paint. Keep tryin' to justify your pathetic abortion of justice on Chansley....

[XU_Lou]

Innocent (?) man, Jacob Chansley, upon being sentenced to 41 months in prison for his part in the tourism (?) in the Capitol:

Wow, Paul - you, supposedly a Vietnam veteran (or at least from that era), are willing to gleefully abort justice for your own political reasons. You're willing to throw a fellow veteran under lock for 41 months for, by all accounts, peacefully trespassing the Capital. This act was so heinous, that in your head it was FAR worse than what your fellow BLM/Antifa travelers committed in the summer of 2020, that he deserves to spend FAR more time in jail than anyone of those terrorists that murdered, looted, burned and desecrated our businesses, monuments, government buildings and cities? Is this what you're trying to tell me?

Don't attempt to obfuscate and deflect by talking about others that day. We're talking about Jacob Chansley (period).

Is this what you fought for? How shameful.

[paulxu]

3) Most importantly, the Biden admin hid this clip from Chansley's lawyers,

4) The fact that the Biden Admin hid this video from Chansley and his lawyers, his case should be thrown out, and he should be freed immediately. Moreover, his sentence of 41 months is excessive.


His lawyers had the video, they introduced it in court. It that too hard for you to figure out. Guess so.

The Marines I served with would never plead guilty to a crime they didn't commit.

[XU_Lou]

His lawyers had the video, they introduced it in court. It that too hard for you to figure out. Guess so.

The Marines I served with would never plead guilty to a crime they didn't commit.

"Arrested 1/9/21. Indicted 1/11/21. Arraigned 1/29/21 and pleaded not guilty to all counts."

Then, apparently, his lawyer convinced him to do a plea agreement because he knew he was about to go into a Biden/DC kangaroo court.


So again:

Does peacefully trespassing deserve 41 months - especially, given what happened that previous summer? Is this justice? You and your Dem buddies gave a major pass to the BLM/Antifa rioters. Had you, the Dems and the justice system applied your fake outrage and the law equally, this wouldn't be an issue. But you didn't. Do you understand why were pissed?

[STL_XUfan]

If Tucker and far right bin of looneys wants to spend all of their time trying to down play January 6, I am all for it. We have already had one election where it was a central issue and it was a lead weight around the Republicans neck that caused them to underperform across the board. So by all means keep it front and center in the media. All it will do is drive the a wedge between the middle and the far right.

[Strange Brew]

If Tucker and far right bin of looneys wants to spend all of their time trying to down play January 6, I am all for it. We have already had one election where it was a central issue and it was a lead weight around the Republicans neck that caused them to underperform across the board. So by all means keep it front and center in the media. All it will do is drive the a wedge between the middle and the far right.

How is releasing the footage “downplaying”? Unless the previous narrative was “overplaying”?

[Strange Brew]

Keith Olberman tried to get Musk banned from Twitter.

Funniest thing I’ve heard this weekend.

[bobbiemcgee]

"Arrested 1/9/21. Indicted 1/11/21. Arraigned 1/29/21 and pleaded not guilty to all counts."

Then, apparently, his lawyer convinced him to do a plea agreement because he knew he was about to go into a Biden/DC kangaroo court.


So again:

Does peacefully trespassing deserve 41 months - especially, given what happened that previous summer? Is this justice? You and your Dem buddies gave a major pass to the BLM/Antifa rioters. Had you, the Dems and the justice system applied your fake outrage and the law equally, this wouldn't be an issue. But you didn't. Do you understand why were pissed?

He left a note for former Vice President Mike Pence that warned: “It’s only a matter of time. Justice is coming!” The judge sentenced him to the minimum. With good behavior, he'll be able to storm the Capitol in 2024.

[bjf123]

Keith Olberman tried to get Musk banned from Twitter.

Funniest thing I’ve heard this weekend.

Does anyone pay attention to Keith Olberman? He should have stuck with covering sports.


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[Strange Brew]

Does anyone pay attention to Keith Olberman? He should have stuck with covering sports.


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No, not really but that is funny as hell.

And he sucked at covering sports.

[Strange Brew]

He left a note for former Vice President Mike Pence that warned: “It’s only a matter of time. Justice is coming!” The judge sentenced him to the minimum. With good behavior, he'll be able to storm the Capitol in 2024.

You sure about that note or did you read it from Keith’s former employer? :)

[bobbiemcgee]

You sure about that note or did you read it from Keith’s former employer? :)

https://ktar.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/horned-man-letter-screenshot.jpg

[Masterofreality]

Sooo,
Now we have 2 major bank failures-in large part due to the Fed having to raise interest rates to combat the Inflation caused by the out of control spending policies of Joe Biden and his Progressive minions.
See, you can’t just print money out of nowhere, but Biden just keeps wanting to spend it. This is lunacy.

The stock market is a mess and millions of Americans are not only pressed to pay higher prices for everything, but now their nest eggs they’ve tried so hard to build up are being eroded. Confidence is suffering.

This seems like a REAL threat to the Country, and to Democracy!
Meanwhile the blue glassed sycophants behind the Democratic Party keep railing about Donald Trump.
Unexplainable.

[Muskie in dayton]

Sooo,
Now we have 2 major bank failures-in large part due to the Fed having to raise interest rates to combat the Inflation caused by the out of control spending policies of Joe Biden and his Progressive minions.
See, you can’t just print money out of nowhere, but Biden just keeps wanting to spend it. This is lunacy.

The stock market is a mess and millions of Americans are not only pressed to pay higher prices for everything, but now their nest eggs they’ve tried so hard to build up are being eroded. Confidence is suffering.

This seems like a REAL threat to the Country, and to Democracy!
Meanwhile the blue glassed sycophants behind the Democratic Party keep railing about Donald Trump.
Unexplainable.
Just another manufactured crisis to allow more government control.

[bobbiemcgee]

16 banks failed under trump.

[xuwillie]

16 banks failed under trump.

And 400 under Obama. All 15 under trump don't even come close to the SVB's 11 billion in assets but whatever

[noteggs]

16 banks failed under trump.

You guys are funny! Yes true, not sure it’s relevant today or for the discussion.

[Strange Brew]

Funny how this moved the J6 videos and the lab leak out of the conversation. :)

[Masterofreality]

16 banks failed under trump.

Did we have 8% Inflation and rising interest rates by the Fed under Trump?
I’ll hang up and listen…..

[STL_XUfan]

Funny how this moved the J6 videos and the lab leak out of the conversation. :)
Are you trying to imply that SVB failing was planned to distract from those stories? If so, could you share some of what you are smoking.

[XU_Lou]

♦ Q1: How do you prevent congress from delaying the certification of state electoral votes?

A: It requires a crisis. A crisis that creates an “emergency” …An “emergency” that invokes special house rules.

FACTS: Remember carefully, focus please. Just moments, literally 3 minutes before two representatives issued a vote for motions to suspend the certification, the House members were “informed” by capitol police and other “agents” that a protest was about to breach the chambers. It was at this time that key people: Pence, Pelosi, Schumer, Mcconnell can be seen being walked out and escorted from the chamber. This effectively halted the Entire Chamber Process.

♦ Q2: Why was it necessary to halt the chamber process?

A: The crisis was created to eliminate the motion challenges to halt the certification and to begin voting to look into voting irregularities and fraud

FACTS: The two motions were completely legal and constitutional under at least two constitutionally recognized procedures… procedures that would REQUIRE the house to pause the certification and then vote to determine whether the motions of suspend could move forward.

♦ Q3: What was so important to refuse this motion and the subsequent votes to suspend the electoral certification?

A: It was important to remove that process entirely and continue the fraud and certify the fraud with no detractors on record. This effectively gives no standing for a SCOTUS ruling appeal! Understand this. If those two motions, even just one had successfully been voted EVEN IF THE MOTIONS were DENIED IN VOTE, this gives those who presented them with STANDING FOR A CONSTITUTIONAL LEGAL ARGUMENT BEFORE SCOTUS.


It continues: https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/03/12/the-parliamentary-motive-behind-the-j6-fedsurrection/

[Masterofreality]

Moody’s Downgrades the Entire U.S. Banking System

“We have changed to negative from stable our outlook on the US banking system to reflect the rapid deterioration in the operating environment”

THANKS Joe Biden!https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/03/14/moodys-cuts-outlook-on-us-banking-system-to-negative-citing-rapidly-deteriorating-operating-environment.html

[XU_Lou]

Moody’s Downgrades the Entire U.S. Banking System

“We have changed to negative from stable our outlook on the US banking system to reflect the rapid deterioration in the operating environment”

THANKS Joe Biden!https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/03/14/moodys-cuts-outlook-on-us-banking-system-to-negative-citing-rapidly-deteriorating-operating-environment.html

At least we can be assured that banks have ample amounts of minorities working for them, and everyone has been steeped in DEI....

[Masterofreality]

Just arbitrarily printing money with nothing to back it up has consequences.
What if Manchin hadn’t manned up and stopped that $4 trillion “Stimulus Package” where the hell would we be?
Total irresponsibility by Democrats, because after that failed, they sold Manchin a Bill of Goods to vote for the “Inflation Reduction Act”!!
Now we have this mess but there is no chirping from the Leftist Peanut Gallery on this Board or outrage in the Press over this debacle.
And Biden walks to a podium, makes a 4 minute statement and walks back out refusing to take questions.
Clown Show. Even NPR can’t ignore the garbage pile any longer. #ThreatToDemocracy

https://stocks.apple.com/A_6H-XfOrRbigS6gya_qkJA

[X-band '01]

I'm going to donate to the Cleveland NPR station in MOR's name just for that.

[bjf123]

Let’s hope the university has the intestinal fortitude to stand up to this and tell the petitioners to pound salt. The first link is an opinion piece by someone against Deters’ appointment as “justice in residence”. The second is an article from the Enquirer, which might be behind a paywall. Here’s a quote from the article that makes it sound like the university won’t cave.

"Higher education is a marketplace of ideas, and at Xavier University we are preparing future leaders" the university said in a statement. "We embrace difficult conversations and intellectual discomfort as part of our mission. It is through challenging conversations that we learn to better understand our own positions and engage with those who hold different views."

https://xaviernewswire.com/2023/03/01/deters-does-not-belong/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/13/why-is-justice-joe-deters-appointment-at-xavier-controversial/70003242007/


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[Muskie in dayton]

Let’s hope the university has the intestinal fortitude to stand up to this and tell the petitioners to pound salt. The first link is an opinion piece by someone against Deters’ appointment as “justice in residence”. The second is an article from the Enquirer, which might be behind a paywall. Here’s a quote from the article that makes it sound like the university won’t cave.

"Higher education is a marketplace of ideas, and at Xavier University we are preparing future leaders" the university said in a statement. "We embrace difficult conversations and intellectual discomfort as part of our mission. It is through challenging conversations that we learn to better understand our own positions and engage with those who hold different views."

https://xaviernewswire.com/2023/03/01/deters-does-not-belong/

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/politics/2023/03/13/why-is-justice-joe-deters-appointment-at-xavier-controversial/70003242007/


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Just another example of liberals trying to silence any views other than their own. I have no problem with college kids having liberal views. Hell, I was a flaming liberal in college, but I sure didn’t feel the need to try and silence other views. Some of my favorite times in college were debating politics with friends. This kid is just another entitled baby.

[GoMuskies]

I'd be interested to learn Ethan Nichols's views on abortion given his stance that Deters doesn't belong at a Catholic institution due to his views on the death penalty.

And hopefully Hanycz "umcommitted" Xavier from principles of anti-racism and addressing criminal justice reform using a racial equity lens. That shit is poison and was more than enough reason to be thrilled to see that jackass Graham leave office.

[Xville]

That was my immediate thought, go. I guess I don’t fit the “ Jesuit way” or whatever either.. against abortion but 100% for the death penalty and firing squad sounds awesome.

[Masterofreality]

Lyin’ Joe Biden can’t stop Lyin’
And how convenient that Gavin Newsome personally, and his wineries, had big deposits in Silicon Valley Bank?
Corruption at its finest and, yeah, it’s a bailout, in a situation caused by total Democrat fiscal irresponsibility.
Clowns.
https://freebeacon.com/biden-administration/dont-call-it-a-bailout-no-one-is-buying-the-white-house-spin-on-silicon-valley-bank/

[Masterofreality]

I'd be interested to learn Ethan Nichols's views on abortion given his stance that Deters doesn't belong at a Catholic institution due to his views on the death penalty.

And hopefully Hanycz "umcommitted" Xavier from principles of anti-racism and addressing criminal justice reform using a racial equity lens. That shit is poison and was more than enough reason to be thrilled to see that jackass Graham leave office.

We had lunch with Prez Colleen at the AFO Golf outing last year. My buddy who is a lawyer and is not afraid to ask direct questions asked her how Xavier would handle social issues going forward, “Woke” or not?
She answered that rather than being “Jesuit”, Xavier would educate in the “Catholic” tradition and be sensitive but not overly solicitous to one side. IMO the appointment of Deters was an attempt to battle “wokeism”.
Now the rubber is on the road. If she backs down, the answer will be contradictory. I don’t believe she will.

[noteggs]

I'd be interested to learn Ethan Nichols's views on abortion given his stance that Deters doesn't belong at a Catholic institution due to his views on the death penalty.

And hopefully Hanycz "umcommitted" Xavier from principles of anti-racism and addressing criminal justice reform using a racial equity lens. That shit is poison and was more than enough reason to be thrilled to see that jackass Graham leave office.

Here is the petition on Twitter

https://twitter.com/xudems/status/1635304136995655680?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

And their stance on abortion

https://twitter.com/xaviertakes/status/1635720592643981335?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

Not surprisingly

[XU_Lou]

Here is the petition on Twitter

https://twitter.com/xudems/status/1635304136995655680?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

And their stance on abortion

https://twitter.com/xaviertakes/status/1635720592643981335?s=42&t=U5TyKr_wshJKowj_nNzfHg

Not surprisingly


Ethan Nichols - are you reading this - HYPOCRIT

[GoMuskies]

These are the kind of people who would have protested hiring Miller because the money would be better spent giving it to the indigenous folks whose land was stolen to establish the university.

I love a lot of Democrats and liberals, but I definitely steered clear of most of these more extreme folks during my time at Xavier. And I suspect they've only gotten more extreme and more strange over the last 25 years.

[Masterofreality]

My only further comment on this is that Nichols or anyone else has the right to protest and to speak whatever they want.
But, they are ridiculously wrong. Less than 10 percent of the Student Body signed that petition. Not exactly an overwhelming mandate.
Ethan should transfer to Berkeley

[bjf123]

That was my immediate thought, go. I guess I don’t fit the “ Jesuit way” or whatever either.. against abortion but 100% for the death penalty and firing squad sounds awesome.

That was my first thought, too. They support abortion, but don’t support a Republican prosecutor who was doing the job he was elected to do. Joe is on record as saying he went after the death penalty is cases where the law allowed it. He also has said if the death penalty was taken off the books, he’d prosecute based on the law without regard to any death penalty.

I wonder what kind of response a petition supporting Deters’ appointment would get?

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[Masterofreality]

Biden’s Inflation precipitated by “Printing Money Spending”, causing Fed Rate hikes are screwing up the entire banking system.
And not a peep about this disaster from our Democrat side. Huh….

https://www.grid.news/story/economy/2023/03/13/how-the-feds-interest-rate-hikes-endangered-the-banking-sector-leading-to-svbs-collapse/

[XU_Lou]

Biden’s Inflation precipitated by “Printing Money Spending”, causing Fed Rate hikes are screwing up the entire banking system.
And not a peep about this disaster from our Democrat side. Huh….

https://www.grid.news/story/economy/2023/03/13/how-the-feds-interest-rate-hikes-endangered-the-banking-sector-leading-to-svbs-collapse/

Actually it started with the insane response to Covid. The shutdowns begot bailouts, which begot inflation.

[bobbiemcgee]

Didn't it start with trump $3.5 billion for corn, $1.4 billion for soybeans and $725 million for wheat, 2400 to couples.

"This unprecedented relief package totals more than $2 trillion".

[UCGRAD4X]

Didn't it start with trump $3.5 billion for corn, $1.4 billion for soybeans and $725 million for wheat, 2400 to couples.

"This unprecedented relief package totals more than $2 trillion".

I'm not sure it's fair to say that it STARTED there. This has been a problem for a while and Trump deserves a lot of criticism, even from supporters, for the financial piling on.

The question is; when is it going to stop?

[Smails]

I'm not sure it's fair to say that it STARTED there. This has been a problem for a while and Trump deserves a lot of criticism, even from supporters, for the financial piling on.

The question is; when is it going to stop?

It will stop when the Fed runs out of ink..so basically never.

[xuphan]

It will stop when the Fed runs out of ink..so basically never.

Will TikTok be banned by the US government? What will the millennials do without TikTok?

[Strange Brew]

Will TikTok be banned by the US government? What will the millennials do without TikTok?

Go into the office. :)

[Masterofreality]

Will TikTok be banned by the US government? What will the millennials do without TikTok?

A little past due.

[Xville]

The youngest millennials are now 27… TikTok is a gen z thing, just saying

[bjf123]

Wasn’t Trump lambasted by the media and big tech when he suggested that TikTok be banned when he was still in office?


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[Strange Brew]

Wasn’t Trump lambasted by the media and big tech when he suggested that TikTok be banned when he was still in office?


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Yes, because how else is the media going to get to Gen Z?

[bobbiemcgee]

150 million users or About half the U.S.

[Strange Brew]

150 million users or About half the U.S.

Not sure that’s a good thing.

[Xville]

I don’t want to turn this into a political fight, I’m just sad that another stupid tragedy had to happen today and three elementary kids don’t get to go home. Before anything else in this world, something needs to be done. It’s insane that when I drop my kids off at school every morning, I have to worry about something like this happening. I don’t know whether to be pissed off or cry. The world has really becomes a fucked up place.

[xuphan]

I donÂ’t want to turn this into a political fight, IÂ’m just sad that another stupid tragedy had to happen today and three elementary kids donÂ’t get to go home. Before anything else in this world, something needs to be done. ItÂ’s insane that when I drop my kids off at school every morning, I have to worry about something like this happening. I donÂ’t know whether to be pissed off or cry. The world has really becomes a fucked up place.

Everything that is posted on here becomes a political fight. The gun debate is one that will always divide this country. Removing guns in my opinion doesnÂ’t eliminate the problem but would possible cause less people to be harmed. The biggest issue in my opinion is the decline in mental health, broken families and loss of community. I would bet a majority of these school shootings involve individuals who have mental health problems, broken families and/or are not part or participate in the community. They are broken people who see no future for themselves and do not care for others. You may very well want to cry because this problem is getting a lot worse with the next generation of students coming through our schools. I believe we will see more frequent and more deadly school shootings in the future with the problems this next generation has. Politically, the Pubs and Dems need to work together to fix communities and start raising the next generation of young people to be productive members of society. This may mean somehow increasing funding for children services, more funding for foster homes, and mental health services that can help better raise this next generation of young people. If parents canÂ’t raise their kids, then they shouldnÂ’t have them in their homes.

Let me give you two examples of how children are being raised in my community and I live in a pretty decent community.

First: A blended family of 7 children who live with a dad/stepdad and mom/stepmom. The children come to school receive free lunches and the family does not have to pay for anything school related. The oldest who is in 6th grade has no motivation to do any school work and sleep through most of class. When told how important school is for her get a job and support herself when she becomes an adult, she says she just wants to stay at home and collect the government check in the mail like her dad does. The others have discipline issues at school. Also, the family is expecting another child in the summer. Why? so they can get more money/benefits from the government.

Second: A family with 3 kids who all have pretty significant mental heath issues continue to have the police and children services called on them by the school and others in the community. This goes on for several year but nothing is done with the childrenÂ’s services being overwhelmed and not able to do anything about the situation. All three kids have severe behavior issues and have very little opportunity to live a productive life. After the oldest was beat by the dad so bad that he had several noticeable bruises on his body, the county judge decided to take the children away. The judge scolded children services for not doing anything sooner as I guess there were numerous reports made to children services about the family including domestic violence, drugs, guns. They kids were taken away for a year and returned back to their parents a year later. Children services continue to be contacted about the family.

These are just two examples of how the next generation of children are being raised. I am sure there are a lot worse stories than the two I have mentioned. The question is, how do you fix this or attempt to fix this? If the core issues (mental health, broken homes, loss of community or not part of community) are not addressed, school violence will continue and get worse.

[Masterofreality]

It sure is funny how when a legit Nazi ultra right winger commits a shooting, the narrative is all about his “radicalized beliefs”.
When an ultra left wing Transphobic nut who has been militarized by their insane group commits a shooting it’s all about “guns”, and never their crazy beliefs.
The Nashville shooting was a hate crime vs Christians, their beliefs, and the Trans community now wanting their “Day of Vengeance” . They’ve been promoting it all over social media.
Look, I don’t own guns and are not a fan of them, but the narrative to not place the blame where it actually lies is disgusting.
Remember the Waukesha parade where, according to the media a “Car” plowed into people and killed them? Total down play of the hate crime committed by a guy of color vs whites.
Media is trash