Politics Thread

[XU_Lou]

Today, for Ville, coming onto this thread, was like him walking into Dana's wearing a UC sweatshirt....

[XU_Lou]

Hey lying Ville - before you deleted the second portion of post #16239 a couple of hours ago, just out of curiosity, which 2 road games did you go to?

Okay, maybe there's an outside chance you could've gone to the UC game. However, I know you sure as hell didn't go to Portland. So was the other road game Georgetown or St. Johns?

[Strange Brew]

Hey lying Ville - before you deleted the second portion of post #16239 a couple of hours ago, just out of curiosity, which 2 road games did you go to?

Okay, maybe there's an outside chance you could've gone to the UC game. However, I know you sure as hell didn't go to Portland. So was the other road game Georgetown or St. Johns?

Be nice, I’ve read many things I never would’ve thought to because of this group.

Thank you MOR, AmX, Snipe and yes, more importantly XMan.

I appreciate all of you challenging the way I think.

Thanks XMan, miss you.

Edit: That was an amazing win yesterday. Love that Hunter found his true self. Well done sir.

[Xville]

Hey lying Ville - before you deleted the second portion of post #16239 a couple of hours ago, just out of curiosity, which 2 road games did you go to?

Okay, maybe there's an outside chance you could've gone to the UC game. However, I know you sure as hell didn't go to Portland. So was the other road game Georgetown or St. Johns?

Yikes. You have pictures of me hanging up in your basement don’t you? Ville derangement syndrome

Still waiting for you to tell me how wrong I was about steele.

Oh and btw dumb fuck, miller essentially called nunge and the other forwards that last year and even earlier this year on numerous occasions. He didn’t use the word but that’s what he was calling them. So kiss my ass. It’s extremely apparent you have zero knowledge of the game or this topic.

[Xville]

Yes, I’ve read research from Cato (they were big on the Iraq war) about 10 years ago. I don’t find them credible. Especially when someone like you is using it as proof of a stupid position.
So you didn’t read it, and then you call it stupid, because you disagree with the position. Makes sense

Maybe you can read the other link then from pew research that says the same

[Xville]

Today, for Ville, coming onto this thread, was like him walking into Dana's wearing a UC sweatshirt....

Lol you think very highly of yourself and brew. As if you even know where Dana’s is.

[Strange Brew]

So you didn’t read it, and then you call it stupid, because you disagree with the position. Makes sense

Maybe you can read the other link then from pew research that says the same

I didn’t call it stupid Ville.

The research stops in 2019 Ville. I’m really not sure what you think it’s telling you/us.

[Xville]

I didn’t call it stupid Ville.

The research stops in 2019 Ville. I’m really not sure what you think it’s telling you/us.

You called the position stupid, and that’s the last full year (because let’s be honest he did nothing once he lost the election other than ya know) trump had in office. Do you think that suddenly 2020 was widely different.

MOR said trump had made the border more secure, implying that he had done better than previous administrations in that regard. That research along with Cato suggested that wasn’t true.

[XU_Lou]

To repeat:

It's a garbage link from some blogger sitting in his basement....

For some reason, Pew tells a much different story - one that actually matches reality. Neither Obama or Biden did shit at the border - how can you not know that? Trump put a huge dent in the problem:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

Similar stories here (Gov't data no less):

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

https://www.wola.org/2021/10/weekly-weekly-u-s-mexico-border-update-2021-migration-numbers-caravan-in-chiapas-remain-in-mexico-cbp-facebook-group/

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021

[Xville]

To repeat:

It's a garbage link from some blogger sitting in his basement....

For some reason, Pew tells a much different story - one that actually matches reality. Neither Obama or Biden did shit at the border - how can you not know that? Trump put a huge dent in the problem:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/11/09/whats-happening-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-in-7-charts/

Similar stories here (Gov't data no less):

https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/cbp-enforcement-statistics

https://www.wola.org/2021/10/weekly-weekly-u-s-mexico-border-update-2021-migration-numbers-caravan-in-chiapas-remain-in-mexico-cbp-facebook-group/

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/rising-border-encounters-in-2021

Not talking about Biden… you seriously have a reading comprehension problem. You can link the same thing over again and it has the same result—-nothing pertaining to what was said. Good day lying lou

[Strange Brew]

You called the position stupid, and that’s the last full year (because let’s be honest he did nothing once he lost the election other than ya know) trump had in office. Do you think that suddenly 2020 was widely different.

MOR said trump had made the border more secure, implying that he had done better than previous administrations in that regard. That research along with Cato suggested that wasn’t true.

The border has been a mess since the Ds didn’t build the wall they promised in the 80s. It was the first amnesty bill. Reagan trusted the Ds and made a deal for the wall. He never trusted them again.

[Strange Brew]

Not talking about Biden… you seriously have a reading comprehension problem. You can link the same thing over again and it has the same result—-nothing pertaining to what was said. Good day lying lou

Why aren’t you talking about Biden if the border is something about which you care?

[Xville]

Why aren’t you talking about Biden if the border is something about which you care?

Because my point had zero to do with Biden. I stay on topic, something others struggle with on here.

[XU_Lou]

Things that make you say "hmmm"....



The Border is a Political issue, per an Independent Senator:

“ .@SenatorSinema: "The border crisis is not new. It has progressively worsened year after year, administration after administration, due to the federal government's repeated failures to address our broken border and immigration system."



but wait, a few posts ago you just said that Trump secured our border and Obama was balanced and immigration only became complicated when Biden took office? Hmm weird.

In regards to Sinema, I wish every politician would do what she did to get rid of this two party system. Things would get accomplished and people would not dig their heels in on issues just because their party wants them too.



Not talking about Biden… you seriously have a reading comprehension problem. You can link the same thing over again and it has the same result—-nothing pertaining to what was said. Good day lying lou

This is way too easy.

[Xville]

The border has been a mess since the Ds didn’t build the wall they promised in the 80s. It was the first amnesty bill. Reagan trusted the Ds and made a deal for the wall. He never trusted them again.

Link?

[XU_Lou]

Are you drunk or mentally challenged?

If it's the former, he must drink a lot....

[Xville]

Things that make you say "hmmm"....










This is way too easy.

You’re an idiot. Mor brought up Biden. Geezus you’re dense—-context is completely lost on you

[XU_Lou]

Yikes. You have pictures of me hanging up in your basement don’t you? Ville derangement syndrome

Still waiting for you to tell me how wrong I was about steele.

Oh and btw dumb fuck, miller essentially called nunge and the other forwards that last year and even earlier this year on numerous occasions. He didn’t use the word but that’s what he was calling them. So kiss my ass. It’s extremely apparent you have zero knowledge of the game or this topic.

So, somehow, this gives you the right to call Nunge a pussy on a fan board, while the coach doesn't even use that word? Is that what you're saying?

And before you deleted your original comments in post #16239, you effectively made the argument that by you going to 5 home games and 2 road games, that somehow you earned the right to call Nunge a pussy.



"It’s extremely apparent you have zero knowledge of the game or this topic."

This is also a total joke - 4 of the top 6 players on this team would be riding the bench according to your brilliant analysis in your insufferable in-game comments this year - not last year.



Finally, thanks for effectively admitting that you lied about going to 2 road games. Would love to know which 5 home games you attended. Will be fun going back to those game threads and verifying that.

[Xville]

So, somehow, this gives you the right to call Nunge a pussy on a fan board, while the coach doesn't even use that word? Is that what you're saying?

And before you deleted your original comments in post #16239, you effectively made the argument that by you going to 5 home games and 2 road games, that somehow you earned the right to call Nunge a pussy.



"It’s extremely apparent you have zero knowledge of the game or this topic."

This is also a total joke - 4 of the top 6 players on this team would be riding the bench according to your brilliant analysis in your insufferable in-game comments this year - not last year.



Finally, thanks for effectively admitting that you lied about going to 2 road games. Would love to know which 5 home games you attended. Will be fun going back to those game threads and verifying that.

About as much right as you have to spread conspiracy after conspiracy on a basketball message board.


You literally have zero life outside of this message board. Deuces lou. Oh and btw if you ever attended a game, you’d know you can post while at the game. There is this thing called wifi. It’s what you have hooked up your parents’ basement computer

There is this thing called the ignore button. If my comments bother you so much, you can use it. I know your silence of the lambs obsession with me won’t allow that though.

[XU_Lou]

About as much right as you have to spread conspiracy after conspiracy on a basketball message board.


You literally have zero life outside of this message board. Deuces lou. Oh and btw if you ever attended a game, you’d know you can post while at the game. There is this thing called wifi. It’s what you have hooked up your parents’ basement computer.

Ville - you make this so easy. This is so rich coming from the guy who has posted almost 3 times a day - EVERY DAY for 11 years.




Was it St. Johns or Georgetown?

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile, Trump was absolutely right about, at least what a scam the United Nations is. Has it ever stopped a war?
Scam, To wit:

Meet the 2023 U.N. Human Rights Council.

Members now include:
🇨🇺 Cuba
🇶🇦 Qatar
🇨🇳 China
🇸🇩 Sudan
🇪🇷 Eritrea
🇩🇿 Algeria
🇸🇴 Somalia
🇻🇳 Vietnam
🇵🇰 Pakistan
🇰🇿 Kazakhstan
🇧🇩 Bangladesh

I wish I were making this up. I'm not. Today, 70% of UNHRC are non-democracies. Happy New Year.

[Strange Brew]

Because my point had zero to do with Biden. I stay on topic, something others struggle with on here.

I realize you were making a point about Trump. I received your point. I’m asking you what you think about the policies of those in charge now.

[Strange Brew]

Link?

Look up Simpson Mazzoli. Google is your friend.

[Strange Brew]

If it's the former, he must drink a lot....

No, he’s smart and passionate.

Be nice.

[bjf123]

Meanwhile, Trump was absolutely right about, at least what a scam the United Nations is. Has it ever stopped a war?
Scam, To wit:

Meet the 2023 U.N. Human Rights Council.

Members now include:
[emoji1083] Cuba
[emoji1203] Qatar
[emoji630] China
[emoji1232] Sudan
[emoji1096] Eritrea
[emoji1026] Algeria
[emoji1220] Somalia
[emoji1264] Vietnam
[emoji1191] Pakistan
[emoji1138] Kazakhstan
[emoji1042] Bangladesh

I wish I were making this up. I'm not. Today, 70% of UNHRC are non-democracies. Happy New Year.

That’s ridiculous.


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[Xville]

Look up Simpson Mazzini. Google is your friend.

Ok I see it was a spelling error. Thank you. So I read the overview , I get it but I don’t see anything about a wall. I do know that Clinton started erecting the wall in some places in the 90s.

Speaking of both of these guys. Clinton was obviously a dirty bird and Reagan was by no means perfect, but I’d kill to have tiger one of these types of politicians in the presidency right now.

[Strange Brew]

Sorry, Simpson Mazzoli Act. Spell check..

[Strange Brew]

That’s ridiculous.


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Is it? Not a lot of good actors but I’m just a Xavier grad.

[Masterofreality]

That’s ridiculous.


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How so?

[Strange Brew]

Ok I see it was a spelling error. Thank you. So I read the overview , I get it but I don’t see anything about a wall. I do know that Clinton started erecting the wall in some places in the 90s.

Speaking of both of these guys. Clinton was obviously a dirty bird and Reagan was by no means perfect, but I’d kill to have tiger one of these types of politicians in the presidency right now.

You and me both. Clinton had his flaws (like Kennedy) and he was a good Chief Executive.

On Reagan, the Iran/Contra situation was the right move considering the time/place.

[MADXSTER]

Meanwhile, Trump was absolutely right about, at least what a scam the United Nations is. Has it ever stopped a war?
Scam, To wit:

Meet the 2023 U.N. Human Rights Council.

Members now include:
🇨🇺 Cuba
🇶🇦 Qatar
🇨🇳 China
🇸🇩 Sudan
🇪🇷 Eritrea
🇩🇿 Algeria
🇸🇴 Somalia
🇻🇳 Vietnam
🇵🇰 Pakistan
🇰🇿 Kazakhstan
🇧🇩 Bangladesh

I wish I were making this up. I'm not. Today, 70% of UNHRC are non-democracies. Happy New Year.

That's crazy

[XU_Lou]

Ray Epps ------ again, why are the Dems protecting him?


Why did Jamie Raskin get so angry and defensive when he was asked about Epps:

https://twitter.com/BasedSavannah/status/1609291569688977413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1609291569688977413%7Ctwgr% 5E111768e03b9065eb2ca0fe4f7d4ab662b3a3cc2a%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F100percentfedup.com%2Fbombsh ell-attorney-for-ray-epps-whose-name-mysteriously-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list-was-an-fbi-agent-for-9-years%2F

Ted Cruz asked the FBI under oath if Ray Epps was a Fed? Answer: “I cannot answer that question”

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1608907338899148801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1608907338899148801%7Ctwgr% 5E111768e03b9065eb2ca0fe4f7d4ab662b3a3cc2a%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F100percentfedup.com%2Fbombsh ell-attorney-for-ray-epps-whose-name-mysteriously-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list-was-an-fbi-agent-for-9-years%2F

Guess who Ray Epps's attorney is? Believe it or not, a former FBI agent:

https://100percentfedup.com/bombshell-attorney-for-ray-epps-whose-name-mysteriously-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list-was-an-fbi-agent-for-9-years/

[Strange Brew]

That's crazy

The UN failed under its former title…The League of Nations.

[Strange Brew]

Ray Epps ------ again, why are the Dems protecting him?


Why did Jamie Raskin get so angry and defensive when he was asked about Epps:

https://twitter.com/BasedSavannah/status/1609291569688977413?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1609291569688977413%7Ctwgr% 5E111768e03b9065eb2ca0fe4f7d4ab662b3a3cc2a%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F100percentfedup.com%2Fbombsh ell-attorney-for-ray-epps-whose-name-mysteriously-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list-was-an-fbi-agent-for-9-years%2F

Ted Cruz asked the FBI under oath if Ray Epps was a Fed? Answer: “I cannot answer that question”

https://twitter.com/DC_Draino/status/1608907338899148801?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1608907338899148801%7Ctwgr% 5E111768e03b9065eb2ca0fe4f7d4ab662b3a3cc2a%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2F100percentfedup.com%2Fbombsh ell-attorney-for-ray-epps-whose-name-mysteriously-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list-was-an-fbi-agent-for-9-years%2F

Guess who Ray Epps's attorney is? Believe it or not, a former FBI agent:

https://100percentfedup.com/bombshell-attorney-for-ray-epps-whose-name-mysteriously-disappeared-from-fbis-most-wanted-list-was-an-fbi-agent-for-9-years/

You may as well talk about Seth Rich. No one is digging but I appreciate ya!

[X-band '01]

I don't know the specifics of the League of Nations, but I know the USA never joined the League.

[XU_Lou]

Interesting, Democrats are more likely to have known someone who died because of the covid vax according to new Rasmussen survey.


"Do you personally know anyone whose death you think may have been caused by side effects of COVID-19 vaccines?"

- YES -
DEM: 33%
IND: 26%
GOP: 26%
ALL ADULTS: 28%


Maybe its because Dems were more likely to blindly take the jab:

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/public_surveys/died_suddenly_more_than_1_in_4_think_someone_they_ know_died_from_covid_19_vaccines

[paulxu]

“Among people ages 65 and older, the updated vaccines reduced the risk of COVID hospitalization by 84% compared with unvaccinated people and by 73% compared with people who had received at least two doses of the original vaccines.” < www.cdc.gov/… >

[paulxu]

I wonder if McCarthy can get enough votes to become speaker. He needs 218 and so far, the 5 Never Kevin guys are keeping him from that total.
Maybe he can get some Dems to cross over, but that seems unlikely.

Also, should George Santos have to produce a birth certificate like Obama? There seems to be some questions about where he was born.

[XU_Lou]

“Among people ages 65 and older, the updated vaccines reduced the risk of COVID hospitalization by 84% compared with unvaccinated people and by 73% compared with people who had received at least two doses of the original vaccines.” < www.cdc.gov/… >

Wow, you still believe those clowns at the CDC...

You should be worried:

https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/something-wicked-this-way-comes-and

https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-yeadon-warns-so-called-covid-vaccines

https://www.eugyppius.com/p/new-research-suggests-that-repeated

[MADXSTER]

Just a reminder, the Politics Thread is on the Smack Board for a reason.

[Strange Brew]

I don't know the specifics of the League of Nations, but I know the USA never joined the League.

Nah, it didn’t and we should shove the UN into the East River.

[Strange Brew]

“Among people ages 65 and older, the updated vaccines reduced the risk of COVID hospitalization by 84% compared with unvaccinated people and by 73% compared with people who had received at least two doses of the original vaccines.” < www.cdc.gov/… >

Thanks for the .gov link. Haha

Did Dr. f tell you that?

[Masterofreality]

Thanks for the .gov link. Haha

Did Dr. f tell you that?

Yeah. Quoting Pravda isn’t exactly credible.

[Masterofreality]

I guess that the Border Crisis isn’t just limited to Republican Governors. Huh!!
Colorado Governor Polis will send migrants to New York.
“BUT THE WHITE HOUSE SAYS THERE’s NO CRISIS!!

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/03/colorado-migrants-new-york-00076115

[paulxu]

Can we nominate Muskie for Speaker of the House?

[STL_XUfan]

This is all fun and games until you end up with Jim Jordan as speaker.

[paulxu]

McCarthy could go real hard ball.
Force a rule change vote that says a plurality vote will elect the speaker.
19 crazy Republicans voting against him would have to relent or let Jeffries become the speaker.

[GoMuskies]

What's the end game here? Six Republicans just saying "fuck it" and voting Jeffries?

[paulxu]

One possibility is for some Dems to get some negotiated concessions, and then vote present.
I think that reduces the number required for a "majority."
Don't know what they'd want. Reasonable committees not led by the far-right crazies?

[paulxu]

Gosar and Gaetz try to get AOC to have some Dems not vote, so McCarthy would have a majority.
She doesn't agree:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1610375672001712128


Gaetz told Ocasio-Cortez that McCarthy has been telling Republicans that he’ll be able to cut a deal with Democrats to vote present, enabling him to win a majority of those present and voting, according to Ocasio-Cortez. She told Gaetz that wasn’t happening, and also double-checked with Democratic party leadership, confirming there’d be no side deal.

https://theintercept.com/2023/01/03/kevin-mccarthy-aoc-matt-gaetz-speaker/

[STL_XUfan]

What's the end game here? Six Republicans just saying "fuck it" and voting Jeffries?

It is just a rough position. The only way to get the 6 on the far right is to lose 6 more moderate members.

Having sat through a number of graduations, I do not know what may breaking point would be on sitting in a room listening to one name after another called. I would certainly be sneaking bourbons between votes.

[X-band '01]

McCarthy could go real hard ball.
Force a rule change vote that says a plurality vote will elect the speaker.
19 crazy Republicans voting against him would have to relent or let Jeffries become the speaker.

Make that 20 crazy Republicans. Someone changed from McCarthy to Jordan in the 3rd round of voting.

[GoMuskies]

Make that 20 crazy Republicans. Someone changed from McCarthy to Jordan in the 3rd round of voting.

I kind of appreciate that. Lets McCarthy know he's not gaining ground. Perhaps time to give up/start working on some other solution, because it's not going to be him.

[X-band '01]

And now they're adjourning until tomorrow to nominate a Speaker. What a shitshow.

[GoMuskies]

And now they're adjourning until tomorrow to nominate a Speaker. What a shitshow.

Does Donald Trump get nominated tomorrow? Trump for Speaker has always been an option in my sportsbook. Until today I always thought that would be a ridiculous bet. Now.....

[X-band '01]

Trump is about as likely as Liz Chaney to get a nomination for Speaker.

In all seriousness, how many rounds of voting does it take to get to 2 final candidates? If Hakeem Jeffries somehow does wind up as Speaker, would he control Committee assignments instead of the GOP brass? I'm pretty sure my US Government class in HS didn't cover scenarios like this.

[paulxu]

It's the brain trust at work according this GOP congressman:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1610376746712416256

[GoMuskies]

In all seriousness, how many rounds of voting does it take to get to 2 final candidates?

It seems that in 1855-56 it took two months and 133 ballots.

https://history.house.gov/Historical-Highlights/1851-1900/The-longest-and-most-contentious-Speaker-election-in-its-history/

[MADXSTER]

I know in Vegas you can bet on virtually anything. Do they have a segment where you can bet on anything in regards to politics? My thinking is that would go over big.

[GoMuskies]

I know in Vegas you can bet on virtually anything. Do they have a segment where you can bet on anything in regards to politics? My thinking is that would go over big.

Illegal in NV. You have to go offshore.

[paulxu]

You have an offshore book? Kudos!

[Muskie in dayton]

And now they're adjourning until tomorrow to nominate a Speaker. What a shitshow.
You act like voting against the swamp is a bad thing.

[STL_XUfan]

You have an offshore book? Kudos!
GoMuskies had to hightail it to Panama from Wichita after his crypto investment legal consulting business went sideways. But at least he is getting the best odds on the speaker race.

[Xville]

You act like voting against the swamp is a bad thing.

A clear division within a party is never a good thing for the party itself or the people they are governed by. It's concerning.

Of the twenty, most are members of the freedom caucus, election deniers, and were supported by Trump. In order for the republican party to move forward and win in 2024, they need to get back to who they were before Trump, and not let the Boebert's and Gaetz's of the world destroy their party.

[XU_Lou]

but wait, a few posts ago you just said that Trump secured our border and Obama was balanced and immigration only became complicated when Biden took office? Hmm weird.

In regards to Sinema, I wish every politician would do what she did to get rid of this two party system. Things would get accomplished and people would not dig their heels in on issues just because their party wants them too.




A clear division within a party is never a good thing for the party itself or the people they are governed by. It's concerning.


Does anyone else get the impression that Ville will literally say anything to argue with one of the conservatives on this board....

[Xville]

Does anyone else get the impression that Ville will literally say anything to argue with one of the conservatives on this board....

For you not to understand the difference between the two quotes you highlighted, is also concerning. As well as your stalkerish behavior. Again, context is completely lost on you.

[XU_Lou]

For you not to understand the difference between the two quotes you highlighted, is also concerning. As well as your stalkerish behavior. Again, context is completely lost on you.

Of course.... I guess you could say that if you have no real principles.

[xuwillie]

For you not to understand the difference between the two quotes you highlighted, is also concerning. As well as your stalkerish behavior. Again, context is completely lost on you.

I don't know which is more concerning. The lefts willingness to fall in line with the squad and crazy far left or a clear division in the party where some are done with Trump? Id take a little division

[Xville]

I don't know which is more concerning. The lefts willingness to fall in line with the squad and crazy far left or a clear division in the party where some are done with Trump? Id take a little division

Fair point. I just firmly believe that in order for the republican party to move forward and win in 24 is to get back to what they were before Trump. The election denial and fringe lunatic crap needs to stop. I wish the same for the other side of the house where the democratic party comes back toward the middle.

As I said previously in this thread....Clinton and Reagan were not perfect by any means but at least at that time we had a functioning government and both, including their party, worked across the aisle extremely well.

[MADXSTER]

worked across the aisle extremely well.

Working across the isle went to the wayside once you only needed a majority vote.

[paulxu]

Really hard to figure out. McCarthy gave lots of concessions to Freedom Caucus to get their votes.
Wasn't enough. No one seems to know what else they want.

It's possible they just want him to lose.
If he relents and lets someone else be put up, I would think that might be Scalise.
Does he have to honor earlier concessions? Unknown.

But this lack of control doesn't look good or generate confidence in ability to govern.
The only concrete think that has been done is to remove the metal detectors from entrances to the floor.
Which is part of house rules and assumedly can't be changed until a new leader is picked.

[STL_XUfan]

Really hard to figure out. McCarthy gave lots of concessions to Freedom Caucus to get their votes.
Wasn't enough. No one seems to know what else they want.

It's possible they just want him to lose.
If he relents and lets someone else be put up, I would think that might be Scalise.
Does he have to honor earlier concessions? Unknown.

But this lack of control doesn't look good or generate confidence in ability to govern.
The only concrete think that has been done is to remove the metal detectors from entrances to the floor.
Which is part of house rules and assumedly can't be changed until a new leader is picked.

On the metal detectors, I think they were part of the rules of the last congress and expired with the new congress. This permitted the Sgt. at arms to take them down. It is the same reason that the news broadcasts have access to all of the camera angles to pick up hot mic items, the rules limiting what cameras can be used expired so now the media can show whatever they want until new rules are voted on.

It isn't like they were going to do much in the way of governing anyway. They will pass thousand of show bills that they know will get no where in the senate (how many times did they repeal Obamacare when there was no chance of it passing vs. when they actually had control). The only thing this is delaying is the start of all of the retaliatory "investigations" they promised. So if they want to fuck around with this pissing match for a few more months, let them have at it.

[GoMuskies]

0 for 6. Will McCarthy give up?

[Xville]

Maybe this will force some working across the aisle.

[Xville]

On the metal detectors, I think they were part of the rules of the last congress and expired with the new congress. This permitted the Sgt. at arms to take them down. It is the same reason that the news broadcasts have access to all of the camera angles to pick up hot mic items, the rules limiting what cameras can be used expired so now the media can show whatever they want until new rules are voted on.

It isn't like they were going to do much in the way of governing anyway. They will pass thousand of show bills that they know will get no where in the senate (how many times did they repeal Obamacare when there was no chance of it passing vs. when they actually had control). The only thing this is delaying is the start of all of the retaliatory "investigations" they promised. So if they want to fuck around with this pissing match for a few more months, let them have at it.

While I agree that most of what will happen the next two years in this chamber will be nothing, this needs to get done. I know it's a bit hyperbolic, but national security could start to be at risk here. You're talking about members not being sworn in which means they don't have security clearance and no department of defense committees.

[UCGRAD4X]

Really hard to figure out. McCarthy gave lots of concessions to Freedom Caucus to get their votes.
Wasn't enough. No one seems to know what else they want.

It's possible they just want him to lose.
If he relents and lets someone else be put up, I would think that might be Scalise.
Does he have to honor earlier concessions? Unknown.

But this lack of control doesn't look good or generate confidence in ability to govern.
The only concrete think that has been done is to remove the metal detectors from entrances to the floor.
Which is part of house rules and assumedly can't be changed until a new leader is picked.

What are the concessions?

It is possible that they just do not want him at all. This would indeed make it difficult for him to lead regardless.

[paulxu]

What are the concessions?

It is possible that they just do not want him at all. This would indeed make it difficult for him to lead regardless.

Sure, but that may be true of any candidate for the position. I'm sure Pelosi had opposition, but held it together to govern.
Some key concessions to the "freedom caucus" group have been committee assignments, committee creations, prioritizing voting on some issues, etc.

He also lowered the threshold for calling for the ousting the speaker from a caucus majority, to just 5 people. That would really seem to weaken the opportunity for governing.
There's talk that this morning he lowered that to 1 person. So at any moment, one of the radicals could ask for a vote to remove him.
That doesn't sound good. Seems like that could just gum up the works all the time.

[paulxu]

These guys are good:

https://twitter.com/BadLipReading/status/1610802268416380928?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcam p%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

[Xville]

i think its time for Mccarthy and his supporters to tell the 20 to go F themselves...and make some concessions to the moderate democrats

[STL_XUfan]

i think its time for Mccarthy and his supporters to tell the 20 to go F themselves...and make some concessions to the moderate democrats

I am not really sure what he can promise them at this point. Guy has spent the last two year saying what he was going to do to the democrats once he was in charge, why would they trust him? I am also how many more of his members on the right will he lose if he cuts a deal with the Dems?

[paulxu]

He can promise them NOT to do the things he was going to do for the tea party folks.

They should get it in writing and notarized.

[X-band '01]

What are the concessions?

It is possible that they just do not want him at all. This would indeed make it difficult for him to lead regardless.


Sure, but that may be true of any candidate for the position. I'm sure Pelosi had opposition, but held it together to govern.
Some key concessions to the "freedom caucus" group have been committee assignments, committee creations, prioritizing voting on some issues, etc.

He also lowered the threshold for calling for the ousting the speaker from a caucus majority, to just 5 people. That would really seem to weaken the opportunity for governing.
There's talk that this morning he lowered that to 1 person. So at any moment, one of the radicals could ask for a vote to remove him.
That doesn't sound good. Seems like that could just gum up the works all the time.

The longer this goes on, I think this is going to be much more beneficial to Democrats and not the Gang of 20 that's gumming up the works. I can't think of any other Republican that's more electable and palatable to the rest of the GOP at this stage. As long as you don't have a Speaker, you can't have committee assignments, emails, etc. And you sure as hell can't get paid (nor can congressional staffers, for that matter) the longer this drags on.

There's a better chance of convincing some Democrats of voting for McCarthy (or simply vote Present) in exchange for some committee assignments they wouldn't otherwise get. Worse yet, imagine if a few Republicans leave altogether while Democrats sit united. Speaker Hakeem Jeffries will see to it that the Gang of 20 doesn't even get ANY committee assignments. Even MTG had enough foresight to get behind McCarthy so that she could at least get assignments this time around.

[GoMuskies]

Trump was only 217 votes shy of the 218 needed for a majority on the 7th and 8th ballots.

[Masterofreality]

This seems, errrrr, problematic as to respectable, fair and unbiased media coverage.
And people used to think The Koch Brothers were Satan!
This seems like a true threat to functioning Democracy and unhealthy for discourse.

” Liberal billionaire George Soros shelled out at least $131 million between 2016 and 2020 to influence media groups, according to a new study conducted by MRC Business.
“Soros specifically funneled at least $131,111,250 between 2016 and 2020 into 253 journalism and activist media groups worldwide to spread his radical leftist ideas on abortion, Marxist economics, anti-Americanism, defunding the police, environmental extremism and LGBT fanaticism," analysts Joseph Vazquez and Daniel Schneider wrote”.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/left-wing-billionaire-george-soros-funneled-131-million-media-groups-2016-2020-study-finds

[Masterofreality]

Worst Administration in history. President Biden is a fool and damages the country by being beholden to the Green Woke.
Thank goodness for the Opposition demanding accountability.
Rather than strengthening the US economy. & it’s energy independence Biden pulled this crap then goes and begs for oil from OPEC and Dictatorship Venezuela. Incredibly ludicrous.

The report, which the Department of Energy (DOE) completed in late December without any public announcement, says the Keystone XL project would have created up to 59,000 jobs and would have had a positive economic impact of up to $9.6 billion.

Immediately after taking office in January 2021, Biden canceled the pipeline's permits, effectively shutting the project down.

"The Biden administration finally owned up to what we have known all along — killing the Keystone XL Pipeline cost good-paying jobs, hurt Montana’s economy and was the first step in the Biden administration’s war on oil and gas production in the United States," Sen. Steve Daines. R-Mont., said Thursday in a statement. "Unfortunately, the administration continues to pursue energy production anywhere but the United States."

The report was required to be completed by an amendment to the 2021 Infrastructure Bill inserted by a Republican Senator. Thank Gawd for accountability.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-admin-quietly-admits-canceling-keystone-xl-pipeline-cost-thousands-jobs-billions-dollars

[XU_Lou]

Rasmussen:

"Should Kevin McCarthy be the next Speaker of the House?

Republican voters - 48% say yes."

Looks like it's actually the 202 Republicans that are out of touch with their voters.

https://twitter.com/Rasmussen_Poll/status/1611143986814541824

* Moreover, he only has a 40% favorability rating.

[Xville]

Yeah just completely disregard in the same poll that only 29% say he shouldn’t be. #cluelesslou.

It also polled a whole 900 voters. 20 morons are making the entire Republican Party look like idiots.

[XU_Lou]

Yeah just completely disregard in the same poll that only 29% say he shouldn’t be. #cluelesslou.

It also polled a whole 900 voters. 20 morons are making the entire Republican Party look like idiots.

No, actually it's fake RINOs like you and McConnell that make the entire Republican Party look like idiots.

[Xville]

No retort on the actual poll anymore huh lou? Clueless as always. Ok. I’ll let you get back to your Alex Berenson, jones errrr infowars blogs.

[XU_Lou]

No retort on the actual poll anymore huh lou? Clueless as always. Ok. I’ll let you get back to your Alex Berenson, jones errrr infowars blogs.

It figures that a failure such as yourself wants to keep the status quo and reward failure. You claim you want change and want politicians to go against the will of their party. But do you really? What a phony.

[Xville]

It figures that a failure such as yourself wants to keep the status quo and reward failure. You claim you want change and want politicians to go against the will of their party. But do you really? What a phony.

It figures that you can’t admit you once again didn’t know what you were talking about when quoting a poll. Makes me laugh every time you think you have posted some “gotcha” link, when in reality it’s just clickbait trash like everything you get your info from.

Hell, you probably think Alex jones is an alright guy and just misunderstood.

[STL_XUfan]

Trump was only 217 votes shy of the 218 needed for a majority on the 7th and 8th ballots.
He just needs Gaetz to find him 11,780 votes in Georgia.

[XU_Lou]

It figures that you can’t admit you once again didn’t know what you were talking about when quoting a poll. Makes me laugh every time you think you have posted some “gotcha” link, when in reality it’s just clickbait trash like everything you get your info from.

Hell, you probably think Alex jones is an alright guy and just misunderstood.

"Should Kevin McCarthy be the next Speaker of the House?

Republican voters - 48% say yes."

That's what I posted - is any of that false? Unlike you, I don't blatantly lie about things like going to 2 road games. Who does that? Who comes on here and makes up shit like their brother was the fucking Ky Senate Leader? Only a pathological liar like you makes up shit to impress anonymous posters on a message board.

[Xville]

"Should Kevin McCarthy be the next Speaker of the House?

Republican voters - 48% say yes."

That's what I posted - is any of that false? Unlike you, I don't blatantly lie about things like going to 2 road games. Who does that? Who comes on here and makes up shit like their brother was the fucking Ky Senate Leader? Only a pathological liar like you makes up shit to impress anonymous posters on a message board.

? I haven’t made up anything but ok buddy.

Omitting things to try to fit a narrative like you were doing with that post is lying, but yeah keep trying to deflect big guy. And

I have no clue what the hell you are talking about regarding ky senate leader. You’d think with how obsessed you are with me, you’d know that number one my family isn’t from ky. So, go ahead Buffalo bill


But let’s get back to where this started, where you tried to use a 900 person poll that said “only” 48% pro-McCarthy (implying the rest were anti) meant that the moronic 21 are in the right, and following the will of the people. You just clearly didn’t do enough research (typical from you) or lied by omitting only 29% were anti- McCarthy. In other words, you came off once again as stupid, a liar or both. Take your pick Buffalo bill.

[XU_Lou]

? I haven’t made up anything but ok buddy.

Omitting things to try to fit a narrative like you were doing with that post is lying, but yeah keep trying to deflect big guy. And

I have no clue what the hell you are talking about regarding ky senate leader. You’d think with how obsessed you are with me, you’d know that number one my family isn’t from ky. So, go ahead Buffalo bill


But let’s get back to where this started, where you tried to use a 900 person poll that said “only” 48% pro-McCarthy (implying the rest were anti) meant that the moronic 21 are in the right, and following the will of the people. You just clearly didn’t do enough research (typical from you) or lied by omitting only 29% were anti- McCarthy. In other words, you came off once again as stupid, a liar or both. Take your pick Buffalo bill.

Okay, Speaker of the House.... whatever. You obviously lied about that.

And you haven't made up anything?? Really? So are you going to tell us which 2 XU road games you went to this year? How about the 5 home games you claim to have gone to. What are you hiding? List the games chickenshit.

I know statistics isn't your thing, so I guess you don't understand what representative sampling is, which pollsters have been using forever. Is the concept too complex for you to wrap your little brain around? Are you really that dense? This should come as no surprise to anyone on this board, as you still don't have a clue at to what the hell raw data is, or even how to read chart.

So if we use your insane logic, then there should be 64 Reps voting against McCarthy, right? Another 51 should be voting present. Either way you slice it, the House GOP isn't representing the will of their voters. But they sure do represent the lying, corrupt RINOs like yourself. You like to talk the big talk about individualism, but whenever someone does go against the grain (i.e., your viewpoint), your the first to demand conformity. Rings a little hollow when you get on that soapbox....

Oh, so you want a survey with more voters - here's 141K voters: https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1610949883229347841

[Xville]

Okay, Speaker of the House.... whatever. You obviously lied about that.

And you haven't made up anything?? Really? So are you going to tell us which 2 XU road games you went to this year? How about the 5 home games you claim to have gone to. What are you hiding? List the games chickenshit.

I know statistics isn't your thing, so I guess you don't understand what representative sampling is, which pollsters have been using forever. Is the concept too complex for you to wrap your little brain around? Are you really that dense? This should come as no surprise to anyone on this board, as you still don't have a clue at to what the hell raw data is, or even how to read chart.

So if we use your insane logic, then there should be 64 Reps voting against McCarthy, right? Another 51 should be voting present. Either way you slice it, the House GOP isn't representing the will of their voters. But they sure do represent the lying, corrupt RINOs like yourself. You like to talk the big talk about individualism, but whenever someone does go against the grain (i.e., your viewpoint), your the first to demand conformity. Rings a little hollow when you get on that soapbox....

Oh, so you want a survey with more voters - here's 141K voters: https://twitter.com/catturd2/status/1610949883229347841


Bahahaha you just linked to a Twitter username of catturd to try and prove your stupid point lol. And a Twitter poll no less bahahahahah.


I do love the mental gymnastics of trying to correlate "unsure" with voting "present" though. I guess on the alternate universe you play in, it makes sense though.

Well aware of how polling works numnuts. I think it was useful back in the 80s...probably the last time you got out of your basement.


Regarding my "lying" believe whatever you want bud. Just know that you literally have zero clue how the world of politics works. I guess those 21 nutjobs won't be following the will of the people when they finally vote Mccarthy in after getting what they want.

Lastly, I would suggest getting some help, the obsession with me isn't healthy.

[paulxu]

The report was required to be completed by an amendment to the 2021 Infrastructure Bill inserted by a Republican Senator. Thank Gawd for accountability.


The actual report itself to read if you are interested:
https://www.daines.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/12.23.22-KXL-Pipeline-Job-Loss-and-Impacts-on-Consumer-Energy-Costs-001245.pdf

- The job creation estimated varied widely from the industry produced number of 59,000 to an independent estimate of 16,000
- Despite the cancellation, the US remains a net exporter of total petroleum products
- The actual number of permanent jobs should the XL have been completed would have been 50
- The two years of construction would have employed thousands, but they were temporary in nature, and some of them were for suppliers outside the US

It's always better to read the actual report and realize that news media and politicians will pick what supports their own point of view.
OK, but incomplete data for good understanding.

[XU_Lou]

Bahahaha you just linked to a Twitter username of catturd to try and prove your stupid point lol. And a Twitter poll no less bahahahahah.


I do love the mental gymnastics of trying to correlate "unsure" with voting "present" though. I guess on the alternate universe you play in, it makes sense though.

Well aware of how polling works numnuts. I think it was useful back in the 80s...probably the last time you got out of your basement.


Regarding my "lying" believe whatever you want bud. Just know that you literally have zero clue how the world of politics works. I would suggest getting some help, the obsession with me isn't healthy.

Hey clown - I was well aware of both polls from the start - I knew the catturd (who you obviously never heard of - figures) poll wasn't scientific, but since you obviously don't understand what representative sampling is, linked to it to show what an idiot you were for complaining about Rasmussen only polling 900 people.

To paraphrase Obama: it looks like your "gotcha" moment wasn't so "gotcha"....


Its not just a matter of what I believe, it's also what the rest of the board believes. It's becoming quite clear to the rest of the board that you're a pathological liar, and will literally say anything to score points in an argument. I'm exposing you for the fraud you are, just like I exposed you for being "smarter than your teachers and professors in college".

If you're not a liar, tell us:

* Which 7 games you've been to this year

* Who your purported "Speaker of the House" brother is. (or are you claiming you never said that now?)

#PutUpOrShutUp

[Masterofreality]

The actual report itself to read if you are interested:
https://www.daines.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/12.23.22-KXL-Pipeline-Job-Loss-and-Impacts-on-Consumer-Energy-Costs-001245.pdf

- The job creation estimated varied widely from the industry produced number of 59,000 to an independent estimate of 16,000
- Despite the cancellation, the US remains a net exporter of total petroleum products
- The actual number of permanent jobs should the XL have been completed would have been 50
- The two years of construction would have employed thousands, but they were temporary in nature, and some of them were for suppliers outside the US

It's always better to read the actual report and realize that news media and politicians will pick what supports their own point of view.
OK, but incomplete data for good understanding.

Uh huh. And gas prices are over $3.50 per gallon here in Ohio and going back up. I’m sure they are lower in South Carolina IN LARGE PART BECAUSE IT IS A STATE CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS, HUH!!! so Paul doesn’t care about the rest of the country suffering. “Putin’s Price Hike”! Hahaha!!
If the US is a net exporter of oil, (it isn’t, petroleum product includes natural gas) then why is Biden begging Saudi Arabia to produce more and making overtures to Communist Venezuela? Plus, Biden is dangerously drawing down the Strategic Petroleum Reserve. Why is that??? The Keystone would have been on line right now.
As usually, Paul will pick what supports his particular point of view. More complete data from other than him is needed for good understanding.

[Xville]

Hey clown - I was well aware of both polls from the start - I knew the catturd (who you obviously never heard of - figures) poll wasn't scientific, but since you obviously don't understand what representative sampling is, linked to it to show what an idiot you were for complaining about Rasmussen only polling 900 people.

To paraphrase Obama: it looks like your "gotcha" moment wasn't so "gotcha"....


Its not just a matter of what I believe, it's also what the rest of the board believes. It's becoming quite clear to the rest of the board that you're a pathological liar, and will literally say anything to score points in an argument. I'm exposing you for the fraud you are, just like I exposed you for being "smarter than your teachers and professors in college".

If you're not a liar, tell us:

* Which 7 games you've been to this year

* Who your purported "Speaker of the House" brother is. (or are you claiming you never said that now?)

#PutUpOrShutUp

The rest of the board? whew you certainly have an inflated sense of self on a message board. Really shows just how insecure you really are.

BTW, were these the same polls that predicted that "red wave?" or were they the same ones that predicted a Clinton win? Or...i mean good gawd...this isn't the 80s.. these polls are bullshit and not relevant anymore.

You can choose to believe me or not, I really don't care what you think. If you want to call me a liar, then call me a liar. I know my truth and its pretty gross of you to accuse someone of being a liar without any actual evidence to the contrary.

What is pretty clear based on how you post in this message board, is that you have severe emotional issues that you really should work on. I'm sure that there is someone on this board that knows or is a professional and could help.

[XU_Lou]

The rest of the board? whew you certainly have an inflated sense of self on a message board. Really shows just how insecure you really are.

You can choose to believe me or not, I really don't care what you think. If you want to call me a liar, then call me a liar. I know my truth and its pretty gross of you to accuse someone of being a liar without any actual evidence to the contrary.

What is pretty clear based on how you post in this message board, is that you have severe emotional issues that you really should work on. I'm sure that there is someone on this board that knows or is a professional and could help.

Ville - you just proved my point once again - you "will literally say anything to score points in an argument". How many times have you called me or several other people on this board a liar.

This is too fucking easy.

[Xville]

Ville - you just proved my point once again - you "will literally say anything to score points in an argument". How many times have you called me or several other people on this board a liar.

This is too fucking easy.

I call you a liar based on the things that you link to and then post on . You are calling me a liar based on a presumption about my real life. A pretty big difference. Again, context is lost on you.

[XU_Lou]

I call you a liar based on the things that you link to and then post on . You are calling me a liar based on a presumption about my real life. A pretty big difference. Again, context is lost on you.

Of course....

[paulxu]

Don't know about Ohio gas prices. Ours do keep coming down.
The government is planning to refill the strategic petroleum reserve, not drawing down at this point.
As for picking points....I linked to the actual article, not the media talking points.
It's there, for all to read.
For example, although there were thousands of temporary jobs slated during a 2 year construction, the actual long term jobs were

The project was expected to support 50 jobs during the operation.

[Masterofreality]

Don't know about Ohio gas prices. Ours do keep coming down.
The government is planning to refill the strategic petroleum reserve, not drawing down at this point.
As for picking points....I linked to the actual article, not the media talking points.
It's there, for all to read.
For example, although there were thousands of temporary jobs slated during a 2 year construction, the actual long term jobs were

“Planning”. Uh, huh. YOU made false statements about oil exports. You picked points that supposedly were in your favor but they are not.
The Left is the bastion of mis information while accusing the other side.
Jobs are Jobs Paul. Christmas jobs are temporary too, but no one discounts their importance. Your Xavier degree is in question again.
And yeah. This is a Smack Board..

[paulxu]

I linked to the ACTUAL report...not someone's interpretation.
Each and every comment I noted came from the actual report.
I provided a link so you could check them.

Yes, I said they were "planning" to replenish the petroleum supply. I didn't say they started.
I noted the jobs were temporary and the actual full time jobs that would remain.

No statement I made was false. Certainly not the ones from the actual report.

[Masterofreality]

I linked to the ACTUAL report...not someone's interpretation.
Each and every comment I noted came from the actual report.
I provided a link so you could check them.

Yes, I said they were "planning" to replenish the petroleum supply. I didn't say they started.
I noted the jobs were temporary and the actual full time jobs that would remain.

No statement I made was false. Certainly not the ones from the actual report.

Can you read? Or are you really that dense that makes me question your Xavier degree?
You claimed that the US was a net exporter of oil hidden behind the term “petroleum product”. The US IMPORTS MORE OIL than it exports. You flat out lied through cute terminology. (Just like “Gender Affirming Care) It’s what you Lefties Do and you are not getting away with it.
The discussion is about gas prices and a pipeline that would have transported additional OIL to the US that would have increased the supply.
Plans mean nothing when they are still actively drawing it down. Another garbage deferral by you.
This is about your trash statement, not the report. Stop it.

[STL_XUfan]

I saw some reporting that one of the demands of a hold out is that they will give Kevin the gavel, but the only place he is allowed to bang it is on his crotch. At this point I could see him agreeing to that demand.

[Masterofreality]

I saw some reporting that one of the demands of a hold out is that they will give Kevin the gavel, but the only place he is allowed to bang it is on his crotch. At this point I could see him agreeing to that demand.

I can care less about this show. A bunch of preening peacocks.
As far as I’m concerned this just keeps Gridlock in place where Congress and Biden can’t screw up the country any more than it has.
The Omnibus bill was the last straw.
Drain the swamp of all 435 of them.

[paulxu]

Can you read? Or are you really that dense that makes me question your Xavier degree?
You claimed that the US was a net exporter of oil hidden behind the term “petroleum product”. The US IMPORTS MORE OIL than it exports. You flat out lied through cute terminology. (Just like “Gender Affirming Care) It’s what you Lefties Do and you are not getting away with it.
The discussion is about gas prices and a pipeline that would have transported additional OIL to the US that would have increased the supply.
Plans mean nothing when they are still actively drawing it down. Another garbage deferral by you.
This is about your trash statement, not the report. Stop it.

You know, I actually linked to the real report, not some news take-off on it.
I actually used the terminology in the real report; and some people can't handle it.
I gave the link so anyone could actually check my words against the report. The oil business is a complex one, and our refinery capability lets us produce and export a lot of petroleum products.
Additionally, we actually export crude oil, as well as import it.
Overall for the last 2 years, we are a net total exporter.


In 2021, the United States imported about 8.47 million barrels per day (b/d) of petroleum from 73 countries. Petroleum includes crude oil, hydrocarbon gas liquids (HGLs), refined petroleum products such as gasoline and diesel fuel, and biofuels. Crude oil imports of about 6.11 million b/d accounted for about 72% of U.S. total gross petroleum imports in 2021, and non-crude oil petroleum accounted for about 28% of U.S. total gross petroleum imports.

In 2021, the United States exported about 8.54 million b/d of petroleum to 176 countries and 4 U.S. territories. Crude oil exports of about 2.96 million b/d accounted for 35% of total U.S. gross petroleum exports in 2021. The resulting total net petroleum imports (imports minus exports) were about -0.06 million b/d in 2021, which means that the United States was a net petroleum exporter of 0.06 million b/d in 2021.

https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6

[Masterofreality]

You know, I actually linked to the real report, not some news take-off on it.
I actually used the terminology in the real report; and some people can't handle it.
I gave the link so anyone could actually check my words against the report. The oil business is a complex one, and our refinery capability lets us produce and export a lot of petroleum products.
Additionally, we actually export crude oil, as well as import it.
Overall for the last 2 years, we are a net total exporter.


https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=727&t=6

Uh no. Answer my question. Why is Biden still drawing down the Strategic Reserve and asking OPEC & Venezuela to pump more.
The US hasn’t been a net exporter of crude since World War 2. It’s telling that Paul is arguing against something that would have been economically beneficial to the US, because…..Biden. Hilarious.

Reuters:
The United States has become a global crude oil exporting power over the last few years, but exports have not exceeded its imports since World War II. That could change next year.


https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-poised-become-net-exporter-crude-oil-2023-2022-12-19/

[XU_Lou]

I can care less about this show. A bunch of preening peacocks.
As far as I’m concerned this just keeps Gridlock in place where Congress and Biden can’t screw up the country any more than it has.
The Omnibus bill was the last straw.
Drain the swamp of all 435 of them.

I'm glad you said this. I'm with you; let er burn to the ground. We cannot reward failure (period).

The three micks need to go: McCarthy, McConnell and McDaniels.

[GoMuskies]

McCarthy is getting closer, finally. He'll lose the 13th ballot, but 15 of the group of opposition have moved his way. Needs two more, I believe. Perhaps the 14th time is the charm?

To be honest, once it got to 3 or 4 ballots, I hoped McCarthy would never end up as the Speaker, ultimately. He's too damaged by all of this. A compromise candidate woudl have been so much better. A coalition candidate with support from both parties would have been amazing. Alas, McCarthy it's eventually gonna be.

[STL_XUfan]

McCarthy is getting closer, finally. He'll lose the 13th ballot, but 15 of the group of opposition have moved his way. Needs two more, I believe. Perhaps the 14th time is the charm?

To be honest, once it got to 3 or 4 ballots, I hoped McCarthy would never end up as the Speaker, ultimately. He's too damaged by all of this. A compromise candidate woudl have been so much better. A coalition candidate with support from both parties would have been amazing. Alas, McCarthy it's eventually gonna be.

I'm not so sure, the 5 never kevin holdouts seems like they are not going to bend (they love hearing their name on TV too much)

[paulxu]

If this is what happens with a "red wave," thank God they didn't get the Senate.
Former Speaker of the House, and fellow Muskie, who had to deal with the earlier version of these nut jobs, understands the dilemma:

former Republican speaker John Boehner said of this faction:
“What they’re really interested in is chaos.… They want to throw sand in the gears of the hated federal government until it fails and they’ve finally proved that it’s beyond saving.” And they are tied tightly to right-wing media: “Every time they vote down a bill, they get another invitation to go on Fox News or talk radio,” he said. “Its a narcissistic—and dangerous—feedback loop.”

[paulxu]

Uh no. Answer my question. Why is Biden still drawing down the Strategic Reserve

You won't believe whatever I tell you. So, I'll try the DOE

WASHINGTON, D.C.— The U.S. Department of Energy’s (DOE) Office of Petroleum Reserves today announced that it will start repurchasing crude oil for the Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR).
https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-repurchase-oil-strategic-petroleum-reserve

Or maybe you're favorite, the WSJ. Their opinions are sometime in opposition to their own fact reporting, but the fact reporting is generally spot on:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-news-today-12-16-2022/card/u-s-to-begin-refilling-strategic-petroleum-reserve-in-february-jXFQVQEO9sTP1MMLgDsn

Now, something might happen before next month. I don't know. But these reports indicate they're on track to start replenishing what was used.

[UCGRAD4X]

You won't believe whatever I tell you. So, I'll try the DOE

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-repurchase-oil-strategic-petroleum-reserve

Or maybe you're favorite, the WSJ. Their opinions are sometime in opposition to their own fact reporting, but the fact reporting is generally spot on:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-news-today-12-16-2022/card/u-s-to-begin-refilling-strategic-petroleum-reserve-in-february-jXFQVQEO9sTP1MMLgDsn

Now, something might happen before next month. I don't know. But these reports indicate they're on track to start replenishing what was used.

Will "start"...at some point...on track to...

Encouraging, and at twice the price, enriching some rogue country. Nice.

[Masterofreality]

You won't believe whatever I tell you. So, I'll try the DOE

https://www.energy.gov/articles/doe-announces-repurchase-oil-strategic-petroleum-reserve

Or maybe you're favorite, the WSJ. Their opinions are sometime in opposition to their own fact reporting, but the fact reporting is generally spot on:
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-news-today-12-16-2022/card/u-s-to-begin-refilling-strategic-petroleum-reserve-in-february-jXFQVQEO9sTP1MMLgDsn

Now, something might happen before next month. I don't know. But these reports indicate they're on track to start replenishing what was used.

You truly are blindly a believer and ludicrous.
Here. Let me help you. Here is a primer regarding this entire discussion that you broke into to defend Biden, allegedly.
Pipeline.. OIL (not “petroleum product”)…To the US by domestic oil companies….Gas Prices

If there had not been a shutdown of this pipeline by Biden, as well as a total discouragement of US energy production by slow walking oil leases and permits, we could have potentially avoided drawing on the reserve at all. Now we are going to buy oil from outside actors thereby enriching them.
Hey, I thought you said we were exporting more OIL than importing it. See, caught in your lie. LNG is NOT oil and general “petroleum product” is a scam term.
Our National security is out at risk by this ridiculous draw down. Now Biden, which he Loves to Do will spend MORE MONEY that we don’t have to bail out his lunacy. And you obviously support it. (Amazed head shake)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/03/10/why-bidens-killing-of-keystone-xl-was-a-big-energy-blunder/

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=STL_XUfan;748042]I'm not so sure, the 5 never kevin holdouts seems like they are not going to bend (they love hearing their name on TV too much)[/QUOTE

Kevin has pretty much given up his legacy to the chock full o' nuts coalition.

[paulxu]

What I actually said, because the petroleum industry consists of a lot of commodities


- Despite the cancellation, the US remains a net exporter of total petroleum products.

What you'd like to pretend I said so you can score some gotcha points I guess.


Hey, I thought you said we were exporting more OIL than importing it. See, caught in your lie. LNG is NOT oil and general “petroleum product” is a scam term.

[Xville]

McCarthy is in. Be sure to write your local congressman. Certainly not following the will of the people lol.

[X-band '01]

White smoke at last. Good luck trying to defund the IRS as your first bill, though.

[Masterofreality]

What I actually said, because the petroleum industry consists of a lot of commodities



What you'd like to pretend I said so you can score some gotcha points I guess.

No. YOU tried to change the point of the posts to make your points by trying to cutely change the terms from OIL to “petroleum products” to protect your Altzheimers ridden President, who has now taken SIXTY trips to Delaware in his 2 years. By comparison, Trump had only taken 18 to Florida at this point.
My Gawd. You really can’t read or comprehend can you? This is about OIL not “petroleum commodities”, because it’s about a PIPELINE that transports CRUDE OIL. Crude oil is the ingredient to enhance supply and lower gas and transportation/shipping prices, which could have lowered inflation. Biden’s cancellation contributed greatly to inflation and his ridiculous attempts to correct by desperately reaching out to OPEC and Venezuela were those of an imbecile. Even a primer is too complicated for you. Thus your Xavier degree is in question.

And other Board Posters, Please reference Posts 16350 and 16358 where it is clear what Paul was trying to do.

[Masterofreality]

Oh! And Deferring Paul Loses again!! (But the entire country loses with Biden)

From Jennifer Jacobs, Sr. White House correspondent for Bloomberg News today:
“Scoop: The Biden admin is delaying the replenishment of the SPR — the nation’s emergency oil reserve — after deciding the offers it received from oil companies were either too expensive or didn’t meet the required specifications, sources tell me.

Some of the prices that oil companies submitted to admin for barrels of crude to refill nation’s emergency reserve came in too high.
Some bids didn’t meet specifications for SPR storage (in underground salt caverns).
Biden officials rejected them all.”

Huh! That Strategic Reserve Drawdown sure has gone well.

[xuwillie]

White smoke at last. Good luck trying to defund the IRS as your first bill, though.

Adding 87,000 irs employees seems a bit much to me.

[MADXSTER]

Adding 87,000 irs employees seems a bit much to me.

If there were going to add 87,000 government jobs, I would think it would be better used at the immigration office.

[xuwillie]

If there were going to add 87,000 government jobs, I would think it would be better used at the immigration office.

They love big government except when it comes to immigration!

[paulxu]

If there were going to add 87,000 government jobs, I would think it would be better used at the immigration office.

I think that's spread over a 10 year period to cover natural attrition, in addition to bolstering the audit staff.

[XUWahoo]

Oh! And Deferring Paul Loses again!! (But the entire country loses with Biden)

From Jennifer Jacobs, Sr. White House correspondent for Bloomberg News today:
“Scoop: The Biden admin is delaying the replenishment of the SPR — the nation’s emergency oil reserve — after deciding the offers it received from oil companies were either too expensive or didn’t meet the required specifications, sources tell me.

Some of the prices that oil companies submitted to admin for barrels of crude to refill nation’s emergency reserve came in too high.
Some bids didn’t meet specifications for SPR storage (in underground salt caverns).
Biden officials rejected them all.”

Huh! That Strategic Reserve Drawdown sure has gone well.

Totally agree. The clown Biden regime has used the SPR to try and game the oil market because of their sheer incompetence in managing the nation's economy and stupidly don't realize that energy policy and being self-sufficient with fossil fuel resources is highly intertwined with the health of that economy. The Biden regime and the Democrats really don't care about the security of you and your family and the country in general by the way they have grossly mishandled the SPR, which really should be available for military purposes and can be used occasionally should refineries have to be shut down because of such things as severe hurricanes, but shouldn't be used because your moron president has decided to undercut the country's ability to be self-dependent with energy resources, much of which is dependent on fossil fuels, and thus foolishly use the SPR as some kind of tool to cover for manipulated oil market supplies by other countries and high prices.

Other strong evidence that the Biden regime and the Democrats (at least most of them) don't care about the security of you and your family is the way they have allowed the criminals to run the streets (soft on crime Democrat DA's, no cash bail, etc) and doing everything they can to facilitate our southern "border" (actually a non-border) to be overrun with unvetted illegals (lots of them ARE criminals, some may be terrorists, and many may be carrying contagious diseases) and impair the ability of the border patrol to do their jobs, which is to protect our border. We simply cannot absorb and support the populations of entire other nations, especially with unskilled and uneducated illegals, many of whom are roaming the country unidentified and unmonitored. I would like the so-called "progressives" to inform us as to how many illegals we can allow in and sustain in this country and remain economically viable. Other countries regulate their borders and the numbers of immigrants allowed in-why can't we do the same? And please don't spew that irrational answer,"That's not who we are."

[paulxu]

Didn't know I was in a race...but if they are delaying the replenishment I guess I must have "lost."

[XUWahoo]

I think that's spread over a 10 year period to cover natural attrition, in addition to bolstering the audit staff.

We don't really know that because the majority Democrat Congress rammed through a several thousand page bill without allowance for anyone to have the time to actually read it. Furthermore, regarding the funding of 87,000 IRS positions:

1. Everyone knows these additional IRS agents will be going after middle class taxpayers whom largely don't have the financial resources to fight the audits. The wealthy taxpayers use accountants and utilize the LAWFUL loopholes in minimizing the amounts of taxes they have to pay.
2. Since the Democrats have already weaponized the IRS, these new agents will be focusing their attention on conservative taxpayers and organizations and will give any Democrats a pass, just like the DOJ and the Fascist Bureau of Instigation have been doing for years.
3. Why would the IRS be arming any new agents (yes, that was listed at one time in their online job postings but has since been taken down. However, since the Biden regime is far from transparent and the criminal liberal media covers for them, we don't know if that's still is part of the job description)?
4. When Democrat Tim Ryan was running for the Senate, he claimed during a town hall that 44,000 IRS agents would be retiring as justification for funding 87,000 new positions. However, I have never heard nor read that from any other sources. Ryan never specified WHEN these 44,000 IRS agents would actually be retiring.

[paulxu]

Maybe this will allay some of the conspiracy theories you noted:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/06/us/politics/irs-agents-fact-check.html

Notably:

In other words, the funding will enable the I.R.S. to increase its work force over the next 10 years to 113,000 employees. That is about the same number of workers it employed annually in the early 1990s.

[Strange Brew]

Maybe this will allay some of the conspiracy theories you noted:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/06/us/politics/irs-agents-fact-check.html

Notably:

Hmm, but the US has been collecting record tax dollars since then. Maybe automation and efficiency has reduced the need for so many IRS workers.

It’s like saying, we’re returning the Pony Express to the same number of employees we had in the 19th C..,

[Masterofreality]

Didn't know I was in a race...but if they are delaying the replenishment I guess I must have "lost."

Uh, we are all in a race, to save this country from Leftist and Progressive Bullshit. Uh, huh. Thankfully you and your lefty idiots lost the House so this garbage can stop.
But, as to this thread, you still can’t acknowledge that you lost the argument.
You will lose more.

[XUWahoo]

Maybe this will allay some of the conspiracy theories you noted:

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/06/us/politics/irs-agents-fact-check.html

Notably:

Your link for the NYT article on the IRS is largely worthless for two reasons:

1. The NYT won't let you read the article unless you have a subscription.
2. Most of us don't feel the NYT has any credibility because they have been misinformational in the past, especially regarding Republican/conservative issues and topics (the exception might be sports) and everyone knows they are essentially a hack propaganda arm of the Democrat Party.

Your use of the phrase,"conspiracy theories," smacks of some snarkiness but perhaps you haven't heard yet about the collusion of the FBI and the White House with Twitter as outed lately by Musk, maybe because you rely too much on the NYT which would largely censor such a story passively by ignoring it. Also recall that Twitter colluded with the White House in suppressing the validated opinions of many academic physicians regarding the treatment of Covid and the marginal (at best) effectiveness of the vaccines which didn't fit the useful idiot narrative of Dr. "Phony Tony" Fauci and the corrupt CDC.

As for the NYT quote you provided regarding the funding of the new IRS agents, that still doesn't dispute what their biased mission would be in the points I raised.

[paulxu]

It's losing about 50,000 people over the next few years for attrition. And so the law calls for hiring about 87,000 people over 10 years. Many will replace people that are leaving.


The rationale for the new funding is that the IRS's resources are so depleted that they need to be rebuilt. They're using computers from the early 1960s


The treasury disputes this intensely; it says that no American earning less than $400,000 a year will stand a greater chance of audit.

From interview with Wall Street Journal tax reporter:
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/google-news-update/what-the-irss-plan-to-hire-87000-workers-means-for-taxpayers/54c8932a-60e4-4dce-9621-a73966768fdd

[paulxu]

Uh, we are all in a race, to save this country from Leftist and Progressive Bullshit. Uh, huh. Thankfully you and your lefty idiots lost the House so this garbage can stop.
But, as to this thread, you still can’t acknowledge that you lost the argument.
You will lose more.

MOR, if it makes you feel better, I'll say I lost "the argument." At this point not sure what the argument was.
Let's try and keep discussions from becoming personal this year, and stick to facts as best we can.

I think our country will lose a lot with the House leadership in disarray, and the major concessions McCarthy made to the freedom caucus.
I'll stick with Boehner's interpretation of that situation as he has years of experience dealing with it.

[Strange Brew]

From interview with Wall Street Journal tax reporter:
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/google-news-update/what-the-irss-plan-to-hire-87000-workers-means-for-taxpayers/54c8932a-60e4-4dce-9621-a73966768fdd

So we haven’t been funding the IRS for all these years?

And the armed agent job description isn’t a conspiracy Paul.

[XUWahoo]

From interview with Wall Street Journal tax reporter:
https://www.wsj.com/podcasts/google-news-update/what-the-irss-plan-to-hire-87000-workers-means-for-taxpayers/54c8932a-60e4-4dce-9621-a73966768fdd

Yeah, sure, and bumbling Beijing Biden promised that "nobody making less than $400,000 would pay an additional penny in taxes" yet those in this group are in effect paying more "taxes" with "10% for the big guy" Biden's inflation.

Replacing IRS agents from attrition, much like the corrupt Fascist Bureau of Instigation, won't change the fact that they have been weaponized by the Biden regime and the Democrats against Republicans/conservatives.

[STL_XUfan]

Do you think the IRS doesn’t already have armed agents? I can very much assure you that they do.

[Masterofreality]

MOR, if it makes you feel better, I'll say I lost "the argument." At this point not sure what the argument was.
Let's try and keep discussions from becoming personal this year, and stick to facts as best we can.

I think our country will lose a lot with the House leadership in disarray, and the major concessions McCarthy made to the freedom caucus.
I'll stick with Boehner's interpretation of that situation as he has years of experience dealing with it.

As usual you think wrong.
It’s a Smack Board Paul. If you can’t take it don’t post.

[Strange Brew]

Do you think the IRS doesn’t already have armed agents? I can very much assure you that they do.

And why is that necessary?

[Strange Brew]

MOR, if it makes you feel better, I'll say I lost "the argument." At this point not sure what the argument was.
Let's try and keep discussions from becoming personal this year, and stick to facts as best we can.

I think our country will lose a lot with the House leadership in disarray, and the major concessions McCarthy made to the freedom caucus.
I'll stick with Boehner's interpretation of that situation as he has years of experience dealing with it.

I’ll take the Freedom Caucus over The Squad any day.

[STL_XUfan]

And why is that necessary?
Cause some tax frauds are dangerous people and you may need to have a raid to preserve evidence. Do you think a couple of accountants can walk into the office of a Ponzi scheme a seize their computers with calculators?

[Strange Brew]

Cause some tax frauds are dangerous people and you may need to have a raid to preserve evidence. Do you think a couple of accountants can walk into the office of a Ponzi scheme a seize their computers with calculators?

Wouldn’t that be the responsibility of the FBI? Seems we have quite a few agencies with guns at the Federal level.

[Masterofreality]

Cause some tax frauds are dangerous people and you may need to have a raid to preserve evidence. Do you think a couple of accountants can walk into the office of a Ponzi scheme a seize their computers with calculators?

Sooo, what happened since that raid on Mar-A-Lago?
When will the “Walls Close In”?
That couldn’t have had anything to do with an election coming up could it have been??
Sure has been Crickets on that.
The Politicization of Fed Agencies is already out of control.

[STL_XUfan]

This is America, we have guns at every level of everything. Be it the irs or a 6 year old shooting their teacher. If you want to limit who has guns, I am all for that. However, if the IRS has to enforce the tax code, at some small level they are going to have a police force to assist in that enforcement. If you want to roll the IRS into the FBI, also ok with that. In the interim, the talking point of some IRS jobs may require carrying a gun isn’t quite the “got-em” you think it is.

[Strange Brew]

This is America, we have guns at every level of everything. Be it the irs or a 6 year old shooting their teacher. If you want to limit who has guns, I am all for that. However, if the IRS has to enforce the tax code, at some small level they are going to have a police force to assist in that enforcement. If you want to roll the IRS into the FBI, also ok with that. In the interim, the talking point of some IRS jobs may require carrying a gun isn’t quite the “got-em” you think it is.

Hmmm, interesting take. That’s not what I was saying at all.

Also, when did a 6 year old shoot their teacher?

[paulxu]

I just realized the Freedom Caucus people who finally voted present to let McCarthy win...had all asked for pardons from Trump.

[Strange Brew]

I just realized the Freedom Caucus people who finally voted present to let McCarthy win...had all asked for pardons from Trump.

For what?

[STL_XUfan]

Yesterday.

[paulxu]

Yesterday.

Hah!

(they asked for any thing that might come up from the insurrection)

(Edit: Gaetz may have wanted pardon for sex trafficking investigation)

[Strange Brew]

Yesterday.

Had to dig around for it and it is extremely tragic.

But what does that have to do with the IRS hiring agents to serve warrants with guns? Who has oversight, under what jurisdiction do they serve and when we’re they granted this power by the Congress?

[Strange Brew]

Hah!

(they asked for any thing that might come up from the insurrection)

What Insurrection Paul?

The one that forced the Secret Service to move the Fr. President to the bunker at the WH?

Or do you mean the Inauguration of 2017?

Edit: And get bent for the Gaetz comment. The guy who made the accusation was convicted of extortion in the matter.

[STL_XUfan]

Hah!

(they asked for any thing that might come up from the insurrection)

My quote feature isn’t working. It wasn’t intended as a joke, but to be a response to the question of when a 6 year old shot his teacher. It happened yesterday. It has become so regular that a fucking 6 year old shooting his teacher isn’t front page news.

[Strange Brew]

My quote feature isn’t working. It wasn’t intended as a joke, but to be a response to the question of when a 6 year old shot his teacher. It happened yesterday. It has become so regular that a fucking 6 year old shooting his teacher isn’t front page news.

I don’t think that’s why it’s not news and it is tragic.

That said, what does it have to with IRS agents enforcing warrants with guns? How was it given that authority and who has oversight and under what jurisdiction do they serve? That. Is the real question.

[STL_XUfan]

If a 6 year old has access to a gun to shoot his teacher, how can you expect anyone to enforce a subpoena without one? As far as what gives them the authority the us code and constitution gives them authority to enforce the tax code.


I am all for removing guns from everyone except the military and special section of law enforcement, but until that happens, enforcement agencies will have to carry guns.

[Strange Brew]

If a 6 year old has access to a gun to shoot his teacher, how can you expect anyone to enforce a subpoena without one? As far as what gives them the authority the us code and constitution gives them authority to enforce the tax code.


I am all for removing guns from everyone except the military and special section of law enforcement, but until that happens, enforcement agencies will have to carry guns.

Well, I’m sure there will be prosecutions coming for the owner of the firearm.

Nice try but they are not Law Enforcement.

So where are they given the authority to act like it?

We’re not supposed to have a Federal Law Enforcement agency either per the Constitution but oh well.

You know what is in the Constitution that is relevant right?

[STL_XUfan]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;748405]Well, I’m sure there will be prosecutions coming for the owner of the firearm.

Nice try but they are not Law Enforcement.

So where are they given the authority to act like it?

We’re not supposed to have a Federal Law Enforcement agency either per the Constitution but oh well.

You know what is in the Constitution that is relevant right?/QUOTE]

The Xavier victory bourbon caused me to forget I was arguing with the valedictorian of the Wesley Snipes school of law. You are right, Ohio wasn't properly founded as a state therefore the 16th amendment doesn't exist. The Federal government's right to enforce its laws is all one giant myth.

[paulxu]

My quote feature isn’t working. It wasn’t intended as a joke, but to be a response to the question of when a 6 year old shot his teacher. It happened yesterday. It has become so regular that a fucking 6 year old shooting his teacher isn’t front page news.

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the circus in the House.

Also, why would all those people (including Gaetz) ask for pardons? Because they're innocent? Sure.

As to the IRS conspiracy notions, here are the answers, including the creation of the Intelligence Unit that took down Al Capone, and are trained and licensed to carry firearms:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/matt-gaetz/no-biden-not-arming-irs-guns-and-ammunition/

It's hard to climb out of the rabbit hole of conspiracy nonsense. But there's always hope.

[Masterofreality]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the circus in the House.

Also, why would all those people (including Gaetz) ask for pardons? Because they're innocent? Sure.

As to the IRS conspiracy notions, here are the answers, including the creation of the Intelligence Unit that took down Al Capone, and are trained and licensed to carry firearms:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/matt-gaetz/no-biden-not-arming-irs-guns-and-ammunition/

It's hard to climb out of the rabbit hole of conspiracy nonsense. But there's always hope.

“Circus” -per Paul, but…
The republic didn't end and we actually witnessed a refreshing moment of democratic deliberation. That concludes another week of gaslighting where we were supposed to believe the complete opposite of reality per the media and dishonest Dems. See you next week when we'll do it all over again about something else.
And “conspiracy theorist averse” Paul launches into a conspiracy theory over Gaetz, who has never been arrested or indicted over……nothing. I personally think Gaetz is an idiot, the Congress is full of those from both sides, but he’s not a criminal, at least that we know credibly of yet.
Mr. Paul likes to come in the Smack Room and throw those Molotov Cocktails of his, walk away then complain about “personal attacks” when he gets pushback.
See why your points are dismissed here Paul? Totally disingenuous wrapped in cute “civil” language. You won’t get away with it.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;748405]Well, I’m sure there will be prosecutions coming for the owner of the firearm.

Nice try but they are not Law Enforcement.

So where are they given the authority to act like it?

We’re not supposed to have a Federal Law Enforcement agency either per the Constitution but oh well.

You know what is in the Constitution that is relevant right?/QUOTE]

The Xavier victory bourbon caused me to forget I was arguing with the valedictorian of the Wesley Snipes school of law. You are right, Ohio wasn't properly founded as a state therefore the 16th amendment doesn't exist. The Federal government's right to enforce its laws is all one giant myth.

Sick burn bro and I’m not going to respond to the comment about OH because it’s silly.

I asked you specific questions about the IRS being a Law Enforcement agency. You then brought up the Constitution and gun control not me.

[Strange Brew]

Sorry, I thought you were talking about the circus in the House.

Also, why would all those people (including Gaetz) ask for pardons? Because they're innocent? Sure.

As to the IRS conspiracy notions, here are the answers, including the creation of the Intelligence Unit that took down Al Capone, and are trained and licensed to carry firearms:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/aug/12/matt-gaetz/no-biden-not-arming-irs-guns-and-ammunition/

It's hard to climb out of the rabbit hole of conspiracy nonsense. But there's always hope.

I was going to respond until I realized you linked to Politifact.

[Xville]

“Circus” -per Paul, but…
The republic didn't end and we actually witnessed a refreshing moment of democratic deliberation. That concludes another week of gaslighting where we were supposed to believe the complete opposite of reality per the media and dishonest Dems. See you next week when we'll do it all over again about something else.
And “conspiracy theorist averse” Paul launches into a conspiracy theory over Gaetz, who has never been arrested or indicted over……nothing. I personally think Gaetz is an idiot, the Congress is full of those from both sides, but he’s not a criminal, at least that we know credibly of yet.
Mr. Paul likes to come in the Smack Room and throw those Molotov Cocktails of his, walk away then complain about “personal attacks” when he gets pushback.
See why your points are dismissed here Paul? Totally disingenuous wrapped in cute “civil” language. You won’t get away with it.

“ a refreshing moment of democratic deliberation” when just a couple of days ago you said you didn’t care about the “show” and called it a bunch of people “preening peacocks.” There ya go talking out of both sides of your mouth again.

I actually respected what you said when you called it a bunch of peering peacocks, but now you have turned it into democratic deliberation to fit your narrative. I’m sure you would have called it that had the shoe been on the other foot. Call it what it was, a joke.

In regards to the oil and petroleum products discussion, You two are arguing over semantics in which both of you are right this time around.

[STL_XUfan]

https://www.irs.gov/compliance/criminal-investigation

Here is a link to the IRS page on their law enforcement arm.

[XUWahoo]

Cause some tax frauds are dangerous people and you may need to have a raid to preserve evidence. Do you think a couple of accountants can walk into the office of a Ponzi scheme a seize their computers with calculators?

Those shoot-outs the IRS had with Bernie Madoff and Sam Bankman-Fried lasted how long?

[Strange Brew]

https://www.irs.gov/compliance/criminal-investigation

Here is a link to the IRS page on their law enforcement arm.

Thanks, it’s good there is an investigative unit that can refer/press or criminal charges.

I don’t think they should have the authority to serve warrants and make arrests. There are plenty of agencies for that.

Paul seems to think this group is a bunch of Elliot Ness’s.

Ohio was recognized as a State long before 1909. :) (I know what you’re saying about OH and it’s a dumb argument by those who make it)

[paulxu]

I wondered why "innocent" people like Gaetz asked Trump for preemptive pardons?

Why was this question ignored before? In our system he is innocent until proven guilty.
I didn't say he was guilty. I wondered why he asked for a pardon; generally not a good indication of innocence.

See, you can ask questions without getting too personal.
I didn't direct this question disparagingly at anyone.

As for the circus, here's a little bit of fun from the lip reading guys:

https://twitter.com/badlipreading/status/1611934183110365184

[Masterofreality]

I wonder why "innocent" people like Gaetz asked Trump for preemptive pardons?

Because of an obviously politicized FBI and IRS. Pretty clear what side they’ve been on.
Wonder why there are no arrests or indictments??? That seems to be the more important question.
But of course Paul won’t ask that one because it goes against his narrative.

[Masterofreality]

On the Border that Biden finally is going to this week.

Here's the border crossing “mess” Biden “inherited”:

In 2020: 458,088 migrants
In 2022: 2,378,944 migrants

Don't listen to this administration's spin. As with everything else, it’s bullshit.
When Biden goes to the border tomorrow, the mess he'll see is the one he created.

Edit, Plus
Federal agents estimate only 5 to 10 percent of drugs coming from Mexico are actually seized — meaning record numbers of illegal drugs are flowing across the border undetected.

[Masterofreality]

“ a refreshing moment of democratic deliberation” when just a couple of days ago you said you didn’t care about the “show” and called it a bunch of people “preening peacocks.” There ya go talking out of both sides of your mouth again.

I actually respected what you said when you called it a bunch of peering peacocks, but now you have turned it into democratic deliberation to fit your narrative. I’m sure you would have called it that had the shoe been on the other foot. Call it what it was, a joke.

In regards to the oil and petroleum products discussion, You two are arguing over semantics in which both of you are right this time around.

I responded to another’s stupid comment. I don’t care about the House Speaker. I care about a disingenuous squawker posting bullshit.
No. Oil in a pipeline vs a weak attempt to change the terminology to petro product is not “semantics”. Read the whole thread.

[paulxu]

Because of an obviously politicized FBI and IRS. Pretty clear what side they’ve been on.
Wonder why there are no arrests or indictments??? That seems to be the more important question.
But of course Paul won’t ask that one because it goes against his narrative.

Not quite sure what you are talking about.
Some congress people (as I noted) had asked Trump for pardons in the wake of the insurrection.
I noted also that Gaetz' seemed to be for a different situation...his activities in Florida.
The investigations into the congress people's part in Jan 6th is ongoing, and hasn't been closed yet.
Yes, for those particular people, not indictments or arrests. That wasn't my point.

My point was a question as to why they asked for pardons. Why was that?
Politicized FBI seems weak. It's the court system that would decide guilt/innocence.

[UCGRAD4X]

I wondered why "innocent" people like Gaetz asked Trump for preemptive pardons?

It would be nice if being innocent actually meant you would not be found guilty or guilty of something else when you said purple when it should be violet.

[Xville]

I responded to another’s stupid comment. I don’t care about the House Speaker. I care about a disingenuous squawker posting bullshit.
No. Oil in a pipeline vs a weak attempt to change the terminology to petro product is not “semantics”. Read the whole thread.

So which is it then… a refreshing democratic deliberation or a circus and a bunch of preening peacocks? Doesn’t matter who you were responding to, you made two comments about an event on completely different ends of the spectrum.

Here’s what I think… you just take any chance you can to take a swipe at Paul for anything no matter if it goes against your principles or not.

[Strange Brew]

Not quite sure what you are talking about.
Some congress people (as I noted) had asked Trump for pardons in the wake of the insurrection.
I noted also that Gaetz' seemed to be for a different situation...his activities in Florida.
The investigations into the congress people's part in Jan 6th is ongoing, and hasn't been closed yet.
Yes, for those particular people, not indictments or arrests. That wasn't my point.

My point was a question as to why they asked for pardons. Why was that?
Politicized FBI seems weak. It's the court system that would decide guilt/innocence.

What Insurrection Paul?
What are they investigating still Paul?
The Chief of the Capitol Police that day already has a book out on it. BTW, the security failures fall solely on Pelosi that day. Hope they investigate that.

[XUWahoo]

The Democrat scumbags on the kangaroo court "Jan. 6 Committee" released the Social Security numbers of 2,000 Trump officials and "supporters" in online documents, in effect doxing them. These included some Republican governors and their families whom were nowhere near Washington for the Jan. 6th riot (it was NEVER an "insurrection"). The corrupt Biden cover-up rag Washington Com-Post put in their headline that it was an "accidental" release. You can believe that like you believe that bumbling Beijing Biden "never discussed Hunter Biden's business with him."

[bjf123]

The Democrat scumbags on the kangaroo court "Jan. 6 Committee" released the Social Security numbers of 2,000 Trump officials and "supporters" in online documents, in effect doxing them. These included some Republican governors and their families whom were nowhere near Washington for the Jan. 6th riot (it was NEVER an "insurrection"). The corrupt Biden cover-up rag Washington Com-Post put in their headline that it was an "accidental" release. You can believe that like you believe that bumbling Beijing Biden "never discussed Hunter Biden's business with him."

Are the Democrats going to provide 3-5 years of credit monitoring to those Republicans like private companies do when they get hacked and personally identifiable information is released?


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[Masterofreality]

Not quite sure what you are talking about.
Some congress people (as I noted) had asked Trump for pardons in the wake of the insurrection.
I noted also that Gaetz' seemed to be for a different situation...his activities in Florida.
The investigations into the congress people's part in Jan 6th is ongoing, and hasn't been closed yet.
Yes, for those particular people, not indictments or arrests. That wasn't my point.

My point was a question as to why they asked for pardons. Why was that?
Politicized FBI seems weak. It's the court system that would decide guilt/innocence.

Cut through the bullshit here.
Where is the arrest and the indictments, Paul as to Gaetz. You are talking about air. Not reality.
Typical of a “conspiracy theorist”.

[Masterofreality]

So which is it then… a refreshing democratic deliberation or a circus and a bunch of preening peacocks? Doesn’t matter who you were responding to, you made two comments about an event on completely different ends of the spectrum.

Here’s what I think… you just take any chance you can to take a swipe at Paul for anything no matter if it goes against your principles or not.

Here’s what I think. You take any chance to take a swipe at me. But I could give a shit.
Troll.

[Xville]

Here’s what I think. You take any chance to take a swipe at me. But I could give a shit.
Troll.

Well, when you are talking out of both sides of your mouth, you deserve a swipe. Two times in a week, impressive. You sure seem to love to call Paul on what you think is “bullshit,” but you sure peddle a whole lot of it. You can’t even answer a simple that I directed at you because you know you got caught, again.

[paulxu]

Insurrection: (definition Oxford dictionary) a violent uprising against an authority or government.

For the educationally challenged, visual images are available:

https://www.lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Insurrection-B-1080x675.jpeg

[paulxu]

Cut through the bullshit here.
Where is the arrest and the indictments, Paul as to Gaetz. You are talking about air. Not reality.
Typical of a “conspiracy theorist”.

My question remains; why ask for preemptive pardons if you are innocent.

[paulxu]

And speaking of insurrections, they tried it today in Brazil.
The losing candidate, former president, (like Trump) alleges still the election was stolen.

So, mimicking Trump's disgraceful actions in January 2021, did not attend the inauguration of the new president, with the traditional passing of the presidential sash...indication a peaceful transition of power.
Like Trump couldn't be bothered with the basic decency of attending the inauguration, didn't greet the new president/first lady, didn't have new first lady to tea, did not invite former president to the White House for portrait unveiling...basically acted like a spoiled little bully. Ran off to his golf club.

The Brazilian guy ran off to Mar-a-Lago rather than attend the ceremonies. Maybe they are comparing loser notes. Or, he's also like Trump under investigation...maybe he's hiding our from their justice system.

[UCGRAD4X]

Insurrection: (definition Oxford dictionary) a violent uprising against an authority or government.

For the educationally challenged, visual images are available:

https://www.lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Insurrection-B-1080x675.jpeg

All of the flags are backwards. They were actually running away.

#fakenews

[XU_Lou]

All of the flags are backwards. They were actually running away.

#fakenews

I don't see Ray Epps, the scaffold commander, or any of the Feds that have been documented leading the charge in this photo either - so yes, #fakenews

Also, I don't see Nancy Pelosi asking for any type of help from the Capitol Police.

[bobbiemcgee]

(it was NEVER an "insurrection"). "

Are you an election denier as well? Then why are all these defendants pleading guilty to trump judges. I know they are stupid morons but why plead guilty if they did nothing wrong. Anyway, now McCarthy has given up so many concessions, your party is led by Greene, Gaetz, Boebert, and a bunch of extreme right wing whackadoo's.

[Strange Brew]

Insurrection: (definition Oxford dictionary) a violent uprising against an authority or government.

For the educationally challenged, visual images are available:

https://www.lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Insurrection-B-1080x675.jpeg

Great, so we agree there were multiple Insurrections in 2017 and esp 2020? Or are you intellectually dishonest? Challenged?

This BS from idiots like you about an “Insurrection” needs to stop. It was at best a riot.

Edit: thanks for the picks. I know it’s not a Leftist Insurrection because I see American flags. If it was your side I’d see plenty of Soviet flags and Che T-shirts. Commies, no wonder you’re whining about the protests in Brazil…

[Masterofreality]

My question remains; why ask for preemptive pardons if you are innocent.

I answered before but you just rejected it out of hand. That’s on you, not me.
Where are the arrests or indictments?
Conspiracy theories out of whole cloth.

[paulxu]

Congressmen asking for preemptive pardons for their actions leading up to and on January 6th because of "politicized FBI and IRS."

That sounded like a conspiracy theory out of whole cloth, so I didn't take it seriously. My bad.

[Masterofreality]

Congressmen asking for preemptive pardons for their actions leading up to and on January 6th because of "politicized FBI and IRS."

That sounded like a conspiracy theory out of whole cloth, so I didn't take it seriously. My bad.

For the last time: Where are the arrests and Indictments???
No answer. Crickets…….

[paulxu]

For the last time: Where are the arrests and Indictments???
No answer. Crickets…….

You must have missed my earlier answer. Here it is again.
There may, or may not be arrests, when they finish their investigations



The investigations into the congress people's part in Jan 6th is ongoing, and hasn't been closed yet.
Yes, for those particular people, not indictments or arrests. That wasn't my point.

Should say "no" indictments, instead of "not" indictments.

[Strange Brew]

All of the flags are backwards. They were actually running away.

#fakenews

Haha!

[Masterofreality]

You must have missed my earlier answer. Here it is again.
There may, or may not be arrests, when they finish their investigations



Should say "no" indictments, instead of "not" indictments.

So your answer after now two years since the event is No Arrests and No Indictments.
Thank you for verifying my point. The “walls” are most assuredly not closing in.
You may now move on to your next ridiculous attack on the right.

[xuwillie]

You must have missed my earlier answer. Here it is again.
There may, or may not be arrests, when they finish their investigations



Should say "no" indictments, instead of "not" indictments.

Seriously just stop my gawd

[paulxu]

I don't think I will.
January 6th was a dark day in our history. (We are watching Brazil duplicate it; curiously the loser there utilizes the services of Bannon.)
940 people were arrested so far, with 482 pleading guilty to various crimes. A few went to trial and were convicted, the rest are pending.
The founder of the Oath Keepers was convicted of seditious conspiracy.
George Washington University is following this in case you are interested:
https://extremism.gwu.edu/legal-proceedings-tracker

In addition to the bogus lawsuits that have been dismissed, there are open investigations into the fake elector schemes, and other matters, as well as what was referred to the DOJ.
The committee uncovered a wide array of coordination leading up to that day (Jan 6th). Many implicated plead the 5th, over and over again.
Roger Stone, Eastman, Flynn, etc. All afraid to answer questions because their testimony could incriminate them. (It is their right to refuse to protect themselves.)
Much of that coordination involved congressmen Jordan, Perry, Gosart, Green, etc. They refused to testify before the committee, and some were referred to the Ethics Committee. And a number of them asked the White House for pardons.

Maybe it will all go away, save the hundreds still pending from the insurrection. I hope there is accountability. We'll see.

[Masterofreality]

Seriously just stop my gawd

Leave him alone. If he didn’t have this overwhelming obsession that drives his life, he’d die.

[XU_Lou]

Despite Paul and others taking their cues from the DNC thru their mouthpieces in the MSM, last week's Speaker battle was actually the ‘Most Significant Win For Conservatives In A Decade’.


You see, what we saw last week is what "Democracy" actually looks like. It's what standing up against the party looks like. The Founders didn't design our form of gov't for the 4 or so leaders in Congress to sit behind closed doors and hammer out bills to be shoved down the rest of Congress's throat. Do you understand that Paul? The Founders wanted everyone in Congress to be involved and have a chance to debate a bill. That, too, is what Democracy looks like.


The Conservatives won, therefore America won, with better governance, and an opportunity to begin rooting out corruption.


Rep. Andrew Ogles provided a list of McCarthy’s concessions to journalist Roger Simon, which is quoted in full below:

1) “As has been reported, it will only take a single congressperson, acting in what is known as a Jeffersonian Motion, to move to remove the speaker if he or she goes back on their word or policy agenda.

2) A ‘Church’-style committee will be convened to look into the weaponization of the FBI and other government organizations (presumably the CIA, the subject of the original Church Committee) against the American people.

3) Term limits will be put up for a vote.

4) Bills presented to Congress will be single subject, not omnibus with all the attendant earmarks, and there will be a 72-hour minimum period to read them.

5) The Texas Border Plan will be put before Congress. From The Hill: ‘The four-pronged plan aims to ‘Complete Physical Border Infrastructure,’ ‘Fix Border Enforcement Policies,’ ‘Enforce our Laws in the Interior’ and ‘Target Cartels & Criminal Organizations.’’

6) COVID mandates will be ended, as will all funding for them, including so-called emergency funding.

7) Budget bills would stop the endless increases in the debt ceiling and hold the Senate accountable for the same.”


https://thefederalist.com/2023/01/09/in-mccarthy-negotiations-gop-landed-on-most-significant-win-for-conservatives-in-a-decade/

[XUWahoo]

Are you an election denier as well? Then why are all these defendants pleading guilty to trump judges. I know they are stupid morons but why plead guilty if they did nothing wrong. Anyway, now McCarthy has given up so many concessions, your party is led by Greene, Gaetz, Boebert, and a bunch of extreme right wing whackadoo's.

Lesson #1-Not an election denier but do believe there were enough irregularities in the 2020 election to raise some suspicion in certain states. As a Democrat, sounds like you are "all in" for the tools of voter fraud:1) No voter ID, 2) Widespread mail-in voting (which is NOT exactly the same as absentee voting), and 3) Ballot harvesting. Most European countries do not allow mail-in voting because they know it is a main pathway to voter fraud. The Democrats in Pennsylvania illegally expanded mail-in voting in 2020, which went against the state constitution, and the state Supreme Court there recently ruled as such.

Lesson#2- If Jan. 6th was an "insurrection" as you Democrats like to call it, it had to be the worst planned insurrection in history. Usually, insurrectionists are ARMED and the vast majority of the rioters did not have firearms. The only person to be killed in the riot was an UNARMED white female gunned down by a black Capitol cop who should have been fired from the force long ago for past rules violations but because it didn't fit the Democrat narrative, all of the elements of the murder were kept under wraps for months except the name of the victim. I never agreed with the Jan. 6th riot, but if you Democrats (and they are the only ones doing this along with the corrupt and extremely biased liberal lame stream media) want to call it an "insurrection," then all of the "protests" over the George Floyd killing (which went on for months, involved the murders of many innocent people, and caused millions of dollars in property damage) were "insurrections," defined as "a violent uprising against an authority or government," Certainly, the attack on the Federal Courthouse in Portland in which the George Floyd rioters set fire to the building would easily qualify as an "insurrection" except by word-game playing Democrats. If Jan. 6th was an "insurrection," then lots of Capitol Police were accessories as they let in and held the doors open at many entrances for the rioters/protestors to go into the Capitol. Lastly, just because some defendants pled guilty doesn't mean justice was done. Many of them just didn't have the financial resources to fight the charges versus the UNLIMITED financial resources of the U.S. government. And besides, Republicans/conservative rarely get a fair trial in the Democrat run kangaroo courts of Washington, DC, while Democrat defendants routinely get passes. Furthermore, why won't the corrupt Democrat hack-run Fascist Bureau of Instigation release ALL of the video from the Jan. 6th riot???? What do they have to hide? Why no further word on any investigation of the person who planted pipe bombs? Perhaps another FBI agent in disguise?? I noticed that you pulled one phrase from my original post which mostly had to do with the Democrat run Jan. 6 Committee, which conducted a sham investigation allowing NO cross examination of any "witnesses," releasing the Social Security numbers of many Trump officials and "supporters," so it appears that you are "all in" with such doxing which is a typical leftist tactic. Many of the unjustly released SSN's were those of Republican governors and their families whom were nowhere near the Capitol on Jan. 6th, but that's apparently OK with you too.

Lesson#3-Your party is led by a bunch of woke wacko kooks:
The "Squad" members- anti-Semites
VP Kamala Harris- doesn't even know the difference between North and South Korea
Adam Schiff- world class pathological liar (we're still waiting on that huge "evidence" that Trump colluded with the Russians which Schiff claims he has but NEVER produced and actually NEVER had)
Joe Biden - another world class pathological liar who's not really governing but has an UNELECTED committee of Democrat handlers who are. It's amazing that naive and clueless Democrat voters would elect such a bumbling idiot who doesn't even know where he is half the time, but that's what Democrats do because it's all about party and not country.
I could fill pages and pages on this thread of the woke wacko kooks in the Democrat Party.

And BTW, I am a registered Independent and not a hard core Trump supporter.

[bjf123]

Much of that coordination involved congressmen Jordan, Perry, Gosart, Green, etc. They refused to testify before the committee,……

I don’t blame them at all. The committee was not looking for the truth. They knew the result they wanted and were only interested in things that supported that conclusion.


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[Masterofreality]

Even the Washington Post finally admits the truth…….after SIX years!

Talk about “Disinformation”.

Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/09/russian-trolls-twitter-had-little-influence-2016-voters/

[XU_Lou]

Even the Washington Post finally admits the truth…….after SIX years!

Talk about “Disinformation”.

Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/09/russian-trolls-twitter-had-little-influence-2016-voters/

I wonder if he's noticed the pattern yet?

So what happened to Paul? He's MIA again. I guess the incoming got a little too hot today, so he cut and ran....

Maybe he's still combing thru Trump's Schedule C hoping to find a Russian connection!!

Or maybe he and his "Nut Job" friends on the left are waiting for the next wacko conspiracy to circle jerk on....

[Masterofreality]

Lesson #1-Not an election denier but do believe there were enough irregularities in the 2020 election to raise some suspicion in certain states. As a Democrat, sounds like you are "all in" for the tools of voter fraud:1) No voter ID, 2) Widespread mail-in voting (which is NOT exactly the same as absentee voting), and 3) Ballot harvesting. Most European countries do not allow mail-in voting because they know it is a main pathway to voter fraud. The Democrats in Pennsylvania illegally expanded mail-in voting in 2020, which went against the state constitution, and the state Supreme Court there recently ruled as such.

Lesson#2- If Jan. 6th was an "insurrection" as you Democrats like to call it, it had to be the worst planned insurrection in history. Usually, insurrectionists are ARMED and the vast majority of the rioters did not have firearms. The only person to be killed in the riot was an UNARMED white female gunned down by a black Capitol cop who should have been fired from the force long ago for past rules violations but because it didn't fit the Democrat narrative, all of the elements of the murder were kept under wraps for months except the name of the victim. I never agreed with the Jan. 6th riot, but if you Democrats (and they are the only ones doing this along with the corrupt and extremely biased liberal lame stream media) want to call it an "insurrection," then all of the "protests" over the George Floyd killing (which went on for months, involved the murders of many innocent people, and caused millions of dollars in property damage) were "insurrections," defined as "a violent uprising against an authority or government," Certainly, the attack on the Federal Courthouse in Portland in which the George Floyd rioters set fire to the building would easily qualify as an "insurrection" except by word-game playing Democrats. If Jan. 6th was an "insurrection," then lots of Capitol Police were accessories as they let in and held the doors open at many entrances for the rioters/protestors to go into the Capitol. Lastly, just because some defendants pled guilty doesn't mean justice was done. Many of them just didn't have the financial resources to fight the charges versus the UNLIMITED financial resources of the U.S. government. And besides, Republicans/conservative rarely get a fair trial in the Democrat run kangaroo courts of Washington, DC, while Democrat defendants routinely get passes. Furthermore, why won't the corrupt Democrat hack-run Fascist Bureau of Instigation release ALL of the video from the Jan. 6th riot???? What do they have to hide? Why no further word on any investigation of the person who planted pipe bombs? Perhaps another FBI agent in disguise?? I noticed that you pulled one phrase from my original post which mostly had to do with the Democrat run Jan. 6 Committee, which conducted a sham investigation allowing NO cross examination of any "witnesses," releasing the Social Security numbers of many Trump officials and "supporters," so it appears that you are "all in" with such doxing which is a typical leftist tactic. Many of the unjustly released SSN's were those of Republican governors and their families whom were nowhere near the Capitol on Jan. 6th, but that's apparently OK with you too.

Lesson#3-Your party is led by a bunch of woke wacko kooks:
The "Squad" members- anti-Semites
VP Kamala Harris- doesn't even know the difference between North and South Korea
Adam Schiff- world class pathological liar (we're still waiting on that huge "evidence" that Trump colluded with the Russians which Schiff claims he has but NEVER produced and actually NEVER had)
Joe Biden - another world class pathological liar who's not really governing but has an UNELECTED committee of Democrat handlers who are. It's amazing that naive and clueless Democrat voters would elect such a bumbling idiot who doesn't even know where he is half the time, but that's what Democrats do because it's all about party and not country.
I could fill pages and pages on this thread of the woke wacko kooks in the Democrat Party.

And BTW, I am a registered Independent and not a hard core Trump supporter.

Wow. What an amazing and accurate Manifesto as well as being fact filled and accurate.
Well done Sir!
And as an adjunct, despite what “some” think on here, I, too am a registered Independent and didn’t vote for Trump either time.
NO ONE should ever allow themselves to be beholden to straight ticket party politics.
You can see what single party rule is doing to Illinois and Chicago. And none of it is good.

Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/leaving-the-land-of-lincoln-11673296644

[Xville]

Wow. What an amazing and accurate Manifesto as well as being fact filled and accurate.
Well done Sir!
And as an adjunct, despite what “some” think on here, I, too am a registered Independent and didn’t vote for Trump either time.
NO ONE should ever allow themselves to be beholden to straight ticket party politics.
You can see what single party rule is doing to Illinois and Chicago. And none of it is good.

Wall Street Journal:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/leaving-the-land-of-lincoln-11673296644

Ok, then what policies do you side with that are opposite of the Republican Party?

[paulxu]

Interesting about Twitter which may not have been as big back in 2016.

But, from the Post article linked above, the following was also noted:


It doesn’t examine other social media, like the much-larger Facebook.
Nor does it address Russian hack-and-leak operations. Another major study in 2018 by University of Pennsylvania communications professor Kathleen Hall Jamieson suggested those probably played a significant role in the 2016 race’s outcome.
Lastly, it doesn’t suggest that foreign influence operations aren’t a threat at all.

The Russian concentration was on Facebook and social interactions to spread misinformation, for which the IRA folks were indicted.
As noted by the same Washington Post;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/22/all-the-ways-trumps-campaign-was-aided-by-facebook-ranked-by-importance/

Sometimes it helps to read the whole article.

[Masterofreality]

Interesting about Twitter which may not have been as big back in 2016.

But, from the Post article linked above, the following was also noted:



The Russian concentration was on Facebook and social interactions to spread misinformation, for which the IRA folks were indicted.
As noted by the same Washington Post;

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/03/22/all-the-ways-trumps-campaign-was-aided-by-facebook-ranked-by-importance/

Sometimes it helps to read the whole article.

It helps for you to understand that $46,000 of Russian troll farm ads on Facebook vs $81 MILLION that Clinton & Trump spent had zero effect on the 2016 election. And much of the American populace isn’t even on Facebook. In 2016, there were less than 190 million Facebook users (some not of voting age) vs a US population of 331 million.
You can read THIS whole article. Sometimes it helps to paint the whole picture and not jut pick & choose what you want.

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/01/russian-facebook-ad-spend/

https://www.statista.com/topics/5323/facebook-usage-in-the-united-states/#topicOverview

[paulxu]

You should read the whole articles you post, and not just note the headline.
If you did that for the Post article you would have seen what I noted.

On this latest article, which I read the entire article, I noted this:

[Update: However, since the IRA was using incendiary, divisive, eye-drawing content about polarizing issues, it likely was able to squeeze more impressions and engagment out of each dollar of spend than Trump and Clinton’s ads driving awareness for the candidates That’s because Facebook’s ad auction system preferences engaging ads by providing lower rates. By focusing on hot-button issues and playing into people’s biases, the IRA’s ads got widely re-shared for free by viewers.]

And this:

Stretch says that the IRA was attacking the election as early as 2015. But one major issue is that there could still be other unidentified Russian groups that also tried to interfere with the 2016 election.

The Russians definitely interfered in the 2016 and 2020 elections, I think primarily to sow discontent in our faith in our own systems.
We help them in that effort with all the nonsense about fake news. day in and day out, or characterizing the press as "the enemy of the people."
Fascist state nonsense which I sure Russia and China love.

[Masterofreality]

You should read the whole articles you post, and not just note the headline.
If you did that for the Post article you would have seen what I noted.

On this latest article, which I read the entire article, I noted this:

[Update: However, since the IRA was using incendiary, divisive, eye-drawing content about polarizing issues, it likely was able to squeeze more impressions and engagment out of each dollar of spend than Trump and Clinton’s ads driving awareness for the candidates That’s because Facebook’s ad auction system preferences engaging ads by providing lower rates. By focusing on hot-button issues and playing into people’s biases, the IRA’s ads got widely re-shared for free by viewers.]

And this:


The Russians definitely interfered in the 2016 and 2020 elections, I think primarily to sow discontent in our faith in our own systems.
We help them in that effort with all the nonsense about fake news. day in and day out, or characterizing the press as "the enemy of the people."
Fascist state nonsense which I sure Russia and China love.


Nice attempt by the Washington Post to return to its usual narrative after actually reporting on something.
$46,000, vs $81 million. “Widely shared” tells nothing because it’s speculative.
I read the whole article. I’ll let the board decide, not you, whether or not there was a significant effect.
Clinton lost because she couldn’t find a way to get to Wisconsin, not because of troll farm ads that were .005% of what the actual campaigns spent.
Glad your obsession keeps you active but find another hobby

[Masterofreality]

Huh?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/justice-department-examining-small-number-classified-documents-found-b-rcna65019

*Some on this Board: “Trump had docs at Mar-a-Lago. How irresponsible!”

Spoiler. They Both are. (But only one got raided)

[Strange Brew]

You should read the whole articles you post, and not just note the headline.
If you did that for the Post article you would have seen what I noted.

On this latest article, which I read the entire article, I noted this:

[Update: However, since the IRA was using incendiary, divisive, eye-drawing content about polarizing issues, it likely was able to squeeze more impressions and engagment out of each dollar of spend than Trump and Clinton’s ads driving awareness for the candidates That’s because Facebook’s ad auction system preferences engaging ads by providing lower rates. By focusing on hot-button issues and playing into people’s biases, the IRA’s ads got widely re-shared for free by viewers.]

And this:


The Russians definitely interfered in the 2016 and 2020 elections, I think primarily to sow discontent in our faith in our own systems.
We help them in that effort with all the nonsense about fake news. day in and day out, or characterizing the press as "the enemy of the people."
Fascist state nonsense which I sure Russia and China love.

That’s a nice conspiracy theory ya got there Paul. Is WaPo wrapped in tin foil for home delivery?

[paulxu]

Have no idea why Biden had top secret docs in his office.
Would have had to taken them from his time as VP to his private life from 16-20.
He should be held accountable for doing that.

Thankfully he didn't try to block returning them numerous times, go to court to slow down an investigation, etc.
It seems like his lawyers turned them over as soon as they were discovered, to the National Archives.

But Biden should answer why he took them when he left office.

[paulxu]

That’s a nice conspiracy theory ya got there Paul. Is WaPo wrapped in tin foil for home delivery?

Check with MOR. He posted the WaPo link.

I got to go check the neighborhood...I think there are black helicopters outside.

[Masterofreality]

Biden was a Vice President. He had no legal right to possess the Classified Documents After he left office. Trump was President and had the rights to have them and also to Declassify them if he wanted. Why did Biden even have the documents?
That is, unless it is common practice in Washington to possess these things!!??
(Unless you are a former President who has been targeted by Politicized Government Agencies?)

[XUWahoo]

Ok, then what policies do you side with that are opposite of the Republican Party?

Allow me to chime in if I may, as a registered Independent, regarding your question about positions "that are opposite of the Republican Party."

While a lot of us liked and supported many of Trump's policies (which actually benefitted everyone in the country), we never cared for much of his rhetoric and outrageous statements. A lot of us don't feel that Medicare and Social Security are actually "entitlements" as characterized by the Republican Party because we have paid into these programs our entire working lives. Lastly, vaccines should be mandated in serious pandemics (the Democrat position) but ONLY if completely and thoroughly tested and proven to be HIGHLY effective. The Covid vaccines were not thoroughly tested before release and eventually proven to be marginally effective. The Democrats unfortunately have been outed as anti-First Amendment censors and free speech suppressors and thus the valid concerns of many academic physicians regarding serious side effects and the use in low risk populations were largely censored. Republicans felt individuals should make the decision about getting the Covid vaccines based on ALL available information. The Democrats decided they didn't want the public to know the complete picture concerning the Covid vaccines, mandated their use regardless of their marginal effectiveness and significant possible side effects, and cost many people their jobs.

In general, Independent voters like to weigh the pro's and con's of both sides of the political arguments but in order to do so, information has to be free flowing and the Democrat Party doesn't do itself any favors by either altering or suppressing information. A form of censorship could also be in the form of actually ignoring an important story and passively not reporting it when it's detrimental to your party.

[X-band '01]

Meanwhile, the grand jury investigating Trump & Co. has completed their work and issued their final report. The jury has now been dissolved and we should hear from DA Fani Willis pretty soon what will become of that. Trump and Rudy Giuliani are the big names being investigated here.

[Strange Brew]

Check with MOR. He posted the WaPo link.

I got to go check the neighborhood...I think there are black helicopters outside.

Who knows Paul… there may be a veteran or someone who disagrees with the Teacher’s Union living in you neighborhood. Stay vigilant..;)

[Masterofreality]

Check with MOR. He posted the WaPo link.

I got to go check the neighborhood...I think there are black helicopters outside.

The WaPo story states that there was little if any effect on Twitter and $46k spent on Facebook was a grain of sand on the beach.
Your candidate stunk and couldn’t even go to Wisconsin. She lost from arrogance and incompetence.

Maybe next time instead to crying foul over a blown up stories, pick a better candidate?

[GoMuskies]

It's good that we all get to stop believing that taking classified documents is a big deal today.

[paulxu]

The Vice President has original authority for classified documents:


Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.

(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

When the lawyers discovered the docs, they immediately turned over to the FBI.
Garland then appointed a prosecutor (one of 2 Trump appointees left...the other is on the Hunter Biden case) to investigate.
Whatever the result, whoever broke the law should be held accountable. They other people who might have handled them were Biden's people.

[Masterofreality]

The Vice President has original authority for classified documents:



https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

When the lawyers discovered the docs, they immediately turned over to the FBI.
Garland then appointed a prosecutor (one of 2 Trump appointees left...the other is on the Hunter Biden case) to investigate.
Whatever the result, whoever broke the law should be held accountable. They other people who might have handled them were Biden's people.

Not after he leaves office, which is the point which you try to defer from again. He also has Zero authority to DeClassify as VP, that the President does.
This is why no one goes along with you Paul. Your cute efforts to deflect.
When is Garland going to RAID HIS house to see if there are more?

[STL_XUfan]

When is Garland going to RAID HIS house to see if there are more?

I would guess after they give him multiple chances to voluntarily turn it over, he fails to do so, lies about, and the justice dept. has probable cause that he lied and was still in possession of classified information. So exactly how they treated Trump.

[paulxu]

What the hell? Are you saying the president has classification authority after he leaves office?

I deflected nothing. I said if laws were broken, hold someone accountable.
Not trying your deflection of raiding a house.
If Trump had complied with earlier requests, they wouldn't needed a warrant to get the rest of the docs.

A VP can declassify documents. Read the link.
Neither he or a president has that power once they leave office.

[Masterofreality]

What the hell? Are you saying the president has classification authority after he leaves office?

I deflected nothing. I said if laws were broken, hold someone accountable.
Not trying your deflection of raiding a house.
If Trump had complied with earlier requests, they wouldn't needed a warrant to get the rest of the docs.

A VP can declassify documents. Read the link.
Neither he or a president has that power once they leave office.

Uh, NO ONE said that anyone had authority to declassify after they leave office. Stop putting words that aren’t there.
And no Paul. The VP does not have authority to classify or declassify, unless delegated by the President and the VP is in acting Executive mode: Executive order 13292 by George Bush defines that as such:
“ ) ``Top Secret'' original classification authority may be delegated only
by the President; in the performance of executive duties, to the Vice
President; or an agency head or official designated pursuant to paragraph
(a)(2) of this section.”
Wrong again buddy. Obama never delegated anything to Joe Biden cause as he so eloquently said: “Leave it to Joe Biden to fuck things up”.
Research is your friend. If you had a legit degree from Xavier you’d use it.

[Masterofreality]

I would guess after they give him multiple chances to voluntarily turn it over, he fails to do so, lies about, and the justice dept. has probable cause that he lied and was still in possession of classified information. So exactly how they treated Trump.

Who knows how many more classified documents reside in Delaware since some were discovered elsewhere?
There should be a raid on Biden’s house to investigate and verify!!!!

[paulxu]

I appreciate the information on the George Bush Executive Order 13292.

It was superseded by Executive Order 13526 of 12/29/2009. Barack Obama was president.
If you had read what I posted, you would have seen that the Vice President does, in fact, have original authority to classify:


Sec. 1.3. Classification Authority.

(a) The authority to classify information
originally may be exercised only by:

(1) the President and the Vice President;

https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

Research can be your friend also, if you have a legit Xavier degree.

[Masterofreality]

I appreciate the information on the George Bush Executive Order 13292.

It was superseded by Executive Order 13526 of 12/29/2009. Barack Obama was president.
If you had read what I posted, you would have seen that the Vice President does, in fact, have original authority to classify:



https://www.archives.gov/isoo/policy-documents/cnsi-eo.html

Research can be your friend also, if you have a legit Xavier degree.

LOL. Not entirely Mr. Inaccurate, but I will admit that it appears to be up for debate:
“Under the executive order, vice presidents are granted the power to declassify documents they classified themselves. But it’s unclear if the vice president would be viewed as “a supervisory official” with the ability to declassify sensitive documents from the CIA and other intelligence agencies.”

In any event. Biden left office, and the fact is that these discovered documents are from an earlier tenure as Vice President. He would not be able to declassify them now. Point moot.
But it sure seems that there are all kinds of classifieds running around out there.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/10/discovery-biden-documents-sparks-debate-over-vice-/

Further:
This product provides an overview of common legislative and executive branch procedures for declassifying intelligence. For some procedures, Congress retains the final authority on whether or not to declassify information. For others, the President makes the final determination. Still others can be requested by any U.S. person of an originating agency, which makes the final determination.”

https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12183

[paulxu]

This looks like that deflection stuff I've heard about.
No one has asserted that a President or Vice President who has left office, can declassify anything. I certainly didn't.
So discussion on that point seems to be a deflection.

You noted VP's don't have original classification power from a Bush executive order.
I pointed out that VP's do have original classification power from an Obama order.

I suspect the stuff you are now referring to has to do with a current president, de-classifying old documents...like the example in your link of Biden de-classifying info from 2001.

I haven't seen/heard anything to suggest Biden is trying to declassify what his lawyers found in his old office. Would be interesting as he is the current president, but what a stink would result.

[Masterofreality]

This looks like that deflection stuff I've heard about.
No one has asserted that a President or Vice President who has left office, can declassify anything. I certainly didn't.
So discussion on that point seems to be a deflection. But YOU accused me of saying that and I did not

You noted VP's don't have original classification power from a Bush executive order.
I pointed out that VP's do have original classification power from an Obama order.

I suspect the stuff you are now referring to has to do with a current president, de-classifying old documents...like the example in your link of Biden de-classifying info from 2001.

I haven't seen/heard anything to suggest Biden is trying to declassify what his lawyers found in his old office. Would be interesting as he is the current president, but what a stink would result.

As usual you suspect wrong. The experts all say, including a sitting US Representative, that the Vice President has no power to declassify anything-except it he originally classified it himself, and only in certain cases. That includes Obama’s EO. I’ll believe that over some partisan poster on a message board.
Stop “suspecting” and read. It’s direct.

[paulxu]

Who is even talking about declassifying anything? Has Biden claimed he declassified anything?

Is that what you mean by deflection?

[Masterofreality]

What the hell? Are you saying the president has classification authority after he leaves office?

I deflected nothing. I said if laws were broken, hold someone accountable.
Not trying your deflection of raiding a house.
If Trump had complied with earlier requests, they wouldn't needed a warrant to get the rest of the docs.

A VP can declassify documents. Read the link.
Neither he or a president has that power once they leave office.


Who is even talking about declassifying anything? Has Biden claimed he declassified anything?

Is that what you mean by deflection?

Uh, YOU, claiming in post 16472 quoted above regarding declassifying which then caused this latest row. Deflection? No, that is DIRECT.
I am concerned that your warped brain is truly failing.
Seek help.

[GoMuskies]

Man, there's a whole genre of "Ron DeSantis is just the worst" articles these days, and they're all so lame. The NYT has one that says he's being exteme (more extreme that Trump!) by "ignoring unbiased media" (which the NYT hilariously believes applies to them). The Daily Beast has one about Ronny D destroying some poor Florida colllege kids' lives by appointing some conservatives to their colleges Board of Trustees. It just makes these poor kids sad.

So far, it's been hilarious. Hope everyone enjoys this theme for the next 22 months (and the four years after that if DeSantis becomes President).

[Masterofreality]

If you aren’t a Democrat, the main stream media always thinks there has to be a Boogeyman to the One Party State.
Always…
Bias obvious.

[Xville]

Man, there's a whole genre of "Ron DeSantis is just the worst" articles these days, and they're all so lame. The NYT has one that says he's being exteme (more extreme that Trump!) by "ignoring unbiased media" (which the NYT hilariously believes applies to them). The Daily Beast has one about Ronny D destroying some poor Florida colllege kids' lives by appointing some conservatives to their colleges Board of Trustees. It just makes these poor kids sad.

So far, it's been hilarious. Hope everyone enjoys this theme for the next 22 months (and the four years after that if DeSantis becomes President).

Pretty disappointing from the media. The only thing that really has bugged me so far with him is the migration thing---I understood his point, but I think it was a toddler reaction, and just gave the dems some ammunition for '24.

[GoMuskies]

Pretty disappointing from the media.

Yeah, I don't know if he's great or terrible, but the media treatment so far really does make me want to like him.

[paulxu]

Uh, YOU, claiming in post 16472 quoted above regarding declassifying which then caused this latest row. Deflection? No, that is DIRECT.
I am concerned that your warped brain is truly failing.
Seek help.

Uh, I had to post that because you originally said VP's couldn't classify, then that they couldn't de-classify.
But I see you're coming around to it now. I think you understand Obama's EO superseded Bush's to let VP's have original classification.
And then you note this:

The experts all say, including a sitting US Representative, that the Vice President has no power to declassify anything-except it he originally classified it himself, and only in certain cases.

So I guess you have now come around to understand that VP's can declassify. Good.

(and no one is saying either president or VP can declassify after they leave office.)

[X-band '01]

Man, there's a whole genre of "Ron DeSantis is just the worst" articles these days, and they're all so lame. The NYT has one that says he's being exteme (more extreme that Trump!) by "ignoring unbiased media" (which the NYT hilariously believes applies to them). The Daily Beast has one about Ronny D destroying some poor Florida colllege kids' lives by appointing some conservatives to their colleges Board of Trustees. It just makes these poor kids sad.

So far, it's been hilarious. Hope everyone enjoys this theme for the next 22 months (and the four years after that if DeSantis becomes President).

That and President Ben Sasse now being a thing at Florida.

[GoMuskies]

That and President Ben Sasse now being a thing at Florida.

Oh no, a Yale educated former US Senator as President of the university. Those poor kids!

[Masterofreality]

Uh, I had to post that because you originally said VP's couldn't classify, then that they couldn't de-classify.
But I see you're coming around to it now. I think you understand Obama's EO superseded Bush's to let VP's have original classification.
And then you note this:


So I guess you have now come around to understand that VP's can declassify. Good.

(and no one is saying either president or VP can declassify after they leave office.)

No, not at all as to the boldened phrase. Stop changing my words and meaning. You lefties like cute phraseology tricks.
In Post 16476 I did state that it appears to be up for debate. But if you would care (which you don’t) to read the two links that I posted, the overwhelming evidence is that the VP may have authority, but only if delegated by The President. or if the VP had originally classified it. (Obama did not delegate) (See article below)
Also in link 2 at the bottom of 16476, which has no partisanship to it at all but is a detailed discussion of Obama’s order as to Congress, there is ZERO MENTION of any Vice Presidential authority to declassify anything except that which he classified himself, or any change from Bush’s order in that regard. (See below article from 2006) NOTHING WAS SUPERCEDED BY Obama as to the VP from Bush’s order.
I know it’s hard for the brain damaged to read, but you should try.

https://fas.org/blogs/secrecy/2006/02/the_vice_presidents_declassifi/

[paulxu]

or if the VP had originally classified it.

of any Vice Presidential authority to declassify anything except that which he classified himself,
So, the VP can declassify things he originally classified.
I think that's what I (and you) said.

Thanks for that.

[XUWahoo]

The discovery of classified documents at bumbling Beijing Biden's office at U Penn dating from when he was VP happened TWO months ago and yet we are just finding out about it now.

What gives? How come the Dept of Injustice or AG Garland never released this information before now (rhetorical question)? Why NO Fascist Bureau of Instigation pre-dawn raid with guns drawn and media cameras in place ready to capture the action (another rhetorical question)?

[Masterofreality]

So, the VP can declassify things he originally classified.
I think that's what I (and you) said.

Thanks for that.

Welp, the fly in the ointment is this.
A) It is up for debate that a Vice President can declassify per experts and news reports.
B) A sitting prominent member of the US House of Representatives says that the Vice President has no authority to Declassify.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jan/10/discovery-biden-documents-sparks-debate-over-vice-/

C) There is this from Obama’s Executive Order 13526 as to Declassification:

Part 3 - Declassification and Downgrading

Sec. 3.1. Authority for Declassification. (a) Information shall be declassified as soon as it no longer meets the standards for classification under this order.
(b) Information shall be declassified or downgraded by:

(1) the official who authorized the original classification, if that official is still serving in the same position and has original classification authority;
(2) the originator’s current successor in function, if that individual has original classification authority;”

So I’m this case, which is the case of discussion, Biden is not serving in the same position.
Raid his house. What a tangled web is weaved.

[paulxu]

What you note makes sense.
I haven't seen any indication that Biden has tried to declassify the documents his lawyers found/turned over.
So, not sure why declassification is an issue yet.
The last point raises an interesting hypothetical: Kamala Harris might be his successor in function, she has original classification authority being the VP...could she de-classify the docs Biden's lawyers turned over ?

If NARA has asked him to return files, he has returned a portion, they ask again, he fails again, they issue a subpoena and he fails to comply completely in returning all documents while his attorneys allege all have been returned...get a warrant and recover the missing items.

[XU_Lou]

Paul - besides your conspiracy politics, your writing style is also highly annoying. Quite frankly, it's mostly unreadable. What's up with all your one sentence paragraphs, with no line spacing?

[Smails]

Paul - besides your conspiracy politics, your writing style is also highly annoying. Quite frankly, it's mostly unreadable. What's up with all your one sentence paragraphs, with no line spacing?

Jesus Lou...why does that matter.

[XU_Lou]

Jesus Lou...why does that matter.

Because it's "mostly unreadable".

[Strange Brew]

Now "science" and the Left is coming for your gas stove....

Oh, and flights were grounded today...

[Lamont Sanford]

Now "science" and the Left is coming for your gas stove....

Oh, and flights were grounded today...

But Mayor Pete confirmed it wasn't because of a hack. Yeaaaaaahhhh, riiiiiight.

Cooking on an electric stove sucks or even a solar or wind turbine one. I want a clean burning gas stove bro!

[Masterofreality]

But Mayor Pete confirmed it wasn't because of a hack. Yeaaaaaahhhh, riiiiiight.

Cooking on an electric stove sucks or even a solar or wind turbine one. I want a clean burning gas stove bro!

Uh Huh!! Gas is the, errrrrrr, BOMB!

By the way. Mayor Pete should stop taking pleasure flights to Europe with his husband on Government aircraft.
A guy under Trump did that once & was fired. Ol Pete. Multiple times.
Crickets

[XU_Lou]

Uh oh....part 2:

SECOND batch of Biden classified documents found at a another location


Moral of this story and the many others that have preceded it: If the Democrats accuse Republicans/Trump of something, in all likelihood they are projecting, or are guilty of the same or worse.


_____________________________________


I wonder if the Chinese also had (direct?) access to these documents?

Isn't it interesting that the the MSM knew about this before the election? Same as with Hunter's computer prior to 2020 (no Paul, it's not about the "dickpics", it's about the "Big Guy")

And isn't interesting that among the files were documents concerning Ukraine - this was while Biden was VP. What's up with that?

____________________________________

Perhaps the DNC and MSM are simply in the process of dumping ole Joe to the side of the road. Perhaps he's of no use to them anymore. God help us all if Kamala is our next prez....

[Masterofreality]

Uh oh....part 2:

SECOND batch of Biden classified documents found at a another location


Moral of this story and the many others that have preceded it: If the Democrats accuse Republicans/Trump of something, in all likelihood they are projecting, or are guilty of the same or worse.


_____________________________________


I wonder if the Chinese also had (direct?) access to these documents?

Isn't it interesting that the the MSM knew about this before the election? Same as with Hunter's computer prior to 2020 (no Paul, it's not about the "dickpics", it's about the "Big Guy")

And isn't interesting that among the files were documents concerning Ukraine - this was while Biden was VP. What's up with that?

____________________________________

Perhaps the DNC and MSM are simply in the process of dumping ole Joe to the side of the road. Perhaps he's of no use to them anymore. God help us all if Kamala is our next prez....

Hmmm. So it seems that pols just taking classified docs out of DC is commonplace?
I anxiously await the FBI raid on Biden’s Delaware house with MSM Cameras at the ready!!


https://apple.news/AQqDzCH51QbOnc5UnT0qNvw

[X-band '01]

Yeah, good ol' Uncle Joe better do a thorough search of his home/other places of interest. Congress does have a duty to investigate that.

But before all you MAGA folks get hard and stiff in the pants, keep in mind that Trump's trouble arose from the fact that he refused to turn over documents when asked to do so; he was given multiple chances to comply before the FBI paid a house call to Mar-A-Lago. And there may still be a few documents that managed to go unnoticed by the Feds.