Politics Thread

[XU_Lou]

Over the next several quarters the economy is expected to dive into a recession. Inevitably, the Democrats will try to pin the blame on Republicans after taking over Congress, and Paul, taking his marching orders from the DNC, will certainly come on here and try to gaslight us. I will be saving this post:


JPMorgan CEO Dimon warns of recession in 6 to 9 months - CNBC

Dimon said the S&P 500 could fall by "another easy 20%" from the current levels, with the next 20% slide likely to "be much more painful than the first", according to the CNBC report.: https://www.reuters.com/markets/us/jpmorgan-ceo-dimon-warns-recession-6-9-months-cnbc-2022-10-10/#:~:text=JPMorgan%20CEO%20Dimon%20warns%20of%20rec ession%20in%206%20to%209%20months%20%2D%20CNBC,-Reuters&text=Oct%2010%20(Reuters)%20%2D%20JPMorgan,year%2C %20CNBC%20reported%20on%20Monday.


Jim Rogers, an American investor and co-founder of the Quantum Fund, said that a large amount of debt in the world could make the coming economic downturn the worst he had ever seen, in an interview with Business Today.

Economists like Nouriel Roubini, who had been one of the first experts to predict the 2008 global financial crisis, have also warned of a “severe, long and ugly” recession in the coming months.

“Yep, the probabilities in this economy tell you to batten down the hatches,” Jeff Bezos wrote

https://www.cnbctv18.com/economy/batten-down-the-hatches-jeff-bezos-joins-experts-on-recession-predictions-14982021.htm


Forecast for US Recession Within Year Hits 100% in Blow to Biden
Bloomberg Economics sees near certainty downturn will start
Tightening conditions, inflation, hawkish Fed weigh on outlook

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-17/forecast-for-us-recession-within-year-hits-100-in-blow-to-biden?leadSource=uverify%20wall


Economists Now Expect a Recession, Job Losses by Next Year: https://www.wsj.com/articles/economists-now-expect-a-recession-job-losses-by-next-year-11665859869


Economists polled for Bankrate’s Third-Quarter Economic Indicator say there’s a near 2-in-3 chance (or 65 percent) that the U.S. economy could contract within the next 12 to 18 months: https://www.bankrate.com/banking/federal-reserve/economic-indicator-survey-recession-risks-october-2022/#:~:text=Forecast%20and%20analysis%3A,2024%20now%2 0at%2065%20percent


Steve Hanke, a professor of applied economics at Johns Hopkins University, said that he believes the U.S. is heading for a “whopper” of a recession next year, but it’s not necessarily because of higher benchmark interest rates.

“We will have a recession because we’ve had five months of zero M2 growth–money supply growth, and the Fed isn’t even looking at it,” Hanke said in an interview with CNBC on Monday. “We’re going to have one whopper of a recession in 2023.”: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/economist-predicts-a-whopper-of-recession-in-2023-and-thats-not-necessarily-due-to-higher-interest-rates-11661888255

[Xville]

The Democrats have spent over $30 million propping up MAGA candidates in the Primaries thinking they would be easy marks in the General Elections.
The MSM gave Trump billions in free media propping him up in the Primaries in 2016 thinking he’d be an easy mark.
Whoops!!!
They are too stupid to learn

“ In the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, the national media and the Hillary Clinton campaign devised a plan to elevate Donald Trump and so-called “lunacy” over a field of up-and-coming Republican politicians. According to New York Times journalist Amy Chozick, who was embedded with Hillary Clinton’s campaign from inception to death, campaign manager Robby Mook called a meeting with an agenda of specifically asking “How do we maximize Donald Trump?” Chozick also noted how Mook “salivated when a debate came on, and Trump would start to speak. ‘Shhhhh,’ Robby said, practically pressing his nose up to the TV. ‘I’ve gahtz to get me some Trump.’”

We all know how that worked out. Yet fast-forward to the 2022 midterm elections — and Democrats are using the same strategy in several key races across the country that will tilt the balance of power. One such race in Arizona has captivated Democrats and the media, where Republican candidate Kari Lake benefited from Democratic efforts to boost the “crazy” candidate. Once again it looks like the Dems are going to come to regret it.”

With the result:

“ Once again Democrats created a verifiable rock star of the right in Kari Lake — and once again they will only have themselves to blame when she wins. It’s worth remembering this the next time Joe Biden orders his acolytes to pressure-wash the homeless people out of one of our city’s stations so he can intone that “democracy itself” is at stake. If that’s the case, bucko, then why did you guys spend so much putting all of these “election-deniers,” the “extreme MAGA element of the Republican Party,” on the ballot?”

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/democrats-made-kari-lake-star-election-deniers-democracy/

They won some and lost some. There is a case that maybe democrats should have spent more money in more elections in some cases.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-spent-loads-boosting-republicans-they-thought-were-less-electable-will-it-pay-off/

[GoMuskies]

They won some and lost some. There is a case that maybe democrats should have spent more money in more elections in some cases.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/democrats-spent-loads-boosting-republicans-they-thought-were-less-electable-will-it-pay-off/

I hope every one of those terrible fucking candidates win. They can get knocked out next election, but that is not a strategy that we want to be viable.

That article was from two weeks ago, and the winds have changed a bit. Gibbs is now more likely than not to win. Hassan is still a favorite over Bolduc in NH, but it's REALLY close.

[Xville]

I hope every one of those terrible fucking candidates win. They can get knocked out next election, but that is not a strategy that we want to be viable.

That article was from two weeks ago, and the winds have changed a bit. Gibbs is now more likely than not to win. Hassan is still a favorite over Bolduc in NH, but it's REALLY close.

I don't think any of this is new...we just have heard about it a lot more in this cycle because of the hatred for Trump.

[GoMuskies]

Anything that discourages it is great. Even if the party involved is too stupid to learn a lesson from it (does President Trump ring a bell?).

[bjf123]

Maybe I’m missing something, but can someone explain the thought process that results in this? Good grief!

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/11/04/historian-beschloss-hysterically-warns-if-republicans-win-our-children-will-be-arrested-and-conceivably-killed-n654115


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[Strange Brew]

Maybe I’m missing something, but can someone explain the thought process that results in this? Good grief!

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/11/04/historian-beschloss-hysterically-warns-if-republicans-win-our-children-will-be-arrested-and-conceivably-killed-n654115


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Totalitarian fanaticism…..

[Xville]

Maybe I’m missing something, but can someone explain the thought process that results in this? Good grief!

https://redstate.com/mike_miller/2022/11/04/historian-beschloss-hysterically-warns-if-republicans-win-our-children-will-be-arrested-and-conceivably-killed-n654115


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it's as old as time...fear wins elections. It is the last the bullet in the chamber for the democrats...Biden has been such a disaster though that not even that will save them.

[XU_Lou]

Over the last few weeks a few on this board have commented, wondering why conservatives are blasting the FBI and DOJ - as if there were no legitimate reasons. Well here's why: The House Republicans just released a 1,000-page report alleging politicization in the FBI and DOJ. Here's a summary of the Executive Summary:


"The Federal Bureau of Investigation, under the stewardship of Director Christopher Wray and Attorney General Merrick Garland, is broken. The problem lies not with the majority of front-line agents who serve our country, but with the FBI’s politicized bureaucracy. The problem lies, for example, with the FBI hierarchy that spied on President Trump’s campaign and ridiculed conservative Americans. The problem lies with FBI bureaucrats who altered and mischaracterized evidence to federal courts, circumvented safeguards, and exploited weaknesses in policies governing investigations and informants to target politically disfavored subjects and to protect favored ones. The problem lies with the FBI structure that centralizes high-profile cases in D.C., in the hands of politicized actors with politicized incentives. Quite simply, the problem—the rot within the FBI—festers in and proceeds from Washington.

Over the last year, a multitude of whistleblowers have approached Judiciary Committee Republicans with allegations of political bias by the FBI’s senior leadership and misuses of the agency’s federal law-enforcement powers. These whistleblowers have risked their careers out of fidelity to principle and a commitment to restoring public trust in the FBI. This report begins to tell their stories. Even at this early stage, one startling conclusion is clear: the FBI and its parent agency, the Justice Department, have become political institutions.

This report details the problems, as recounted in whistleblower disclosures and other forms, that undermine the FBI’s fundamental law-enforcement mission. Whistleblowers describe the FBI’s Washington hierarchy as “rotted at its core,” maintaining a “systemic culture of unaccountability, ”and full of “rampant corruption, manipulation, and abuse.” Whistleblowers describe how the FBI has abused its law-enforcement authorities for political purposes, and how actions by FBI leadership show a political bias against conservatives. For example:

• The FBI is artificially inflating statistics about domestic violent extremism in the nation.

• The FBI is abusing its counterterrorism authorities to investigate parents who spoke at school board meetings.

• The FBI has abused its foreign intelligence authorities to spy on American citizens, including people associated with the campaign of President Trump in 2016. These facts have been documented in Inspector General reports and Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court opinions, but there is little indication the FBI has changed—or is willing to change—course.

• The FBI is clearing the Bureau of employees who dissent from its woke, leftist agenda. The FBI is actively seeking to “purge” FBI employees holding conservative views—or, in President Biden’s view, those who are a “threat to American democracy” — because they hold conservative views. The FBI has even taken retaliatory actions against at least one whistleblower who has spoken out.

• Whistleblowers have explained how the FBI’s “political meddling” “is dragging the criminal side [of the Bureau] down” as resources are “pulled away” from real law-enforcement duties.

Full report here: https://www.scribd.com/document/605083264/House-Republicans-Release-FBI-Report#fullscreen&from_embed

[Lamont Sanford]

It's quite obvious the FBI and DOJ have been weaponized against Conservatives. The pro life guy who was arrested from his house in a pre-dawn raid with guns drawn on him and his wife and family is atrocious.

The fact that J6 folks are still being held in the DC jail without being charged yet is truly Orwellian behavior. That is FASCISM!

[STL_XUfan]

It's quite obvious the FBI and DOJ have been weaponized against Conservatives. The pro life guy who was arrested from his house in a pre-dawn raid with guns drawn on him and his wife and family is atrocious.

The fact that J6 folks are still being held in the DC jail without being charged yet is truly Orwellian behavior. That is FASCISM!
Do you have a source for anyone being held without being charged? Seems like that would violate a lot of really good laws.

I think you would find lots of bipartisan support to reform the process for getting warrants, including banning no knock warrants and early morning raids.

[X-band '01]

I hope every one of those terrible fucking candidates win. They can get knocked out next election, but that is not a strategy that we want to be viable.

That article was from two weeks ago, and the winds have changed a bit. Gibbs is now more likely than not to win. Hassan is still a favorite over Bolduc in NH, but it's REALLY close.

I wonder if Chris Sununu regrets not taking a shot at the New Hampshire Senate seat - he's a pretty decent governor in NH and would probably beat Hassan the way things are going right now.

Elsewhere, we're probably looking at a GA runoff if neither candidate gets to the 50% + 1 mark. I'm not seeing either candidate breaking that threshold right now.

[GoMuskies]

Elsewhere, we're probably looking at a GA runoff if neither candidate gets to the 50% + 1 mark. I'm not seeing either candidate breaking that threshold right now.

What a waste of time. They should do ranked choice voting.

[X-band '01]

Correct, but you have to explain it to Georgia voters (Republicans in this case) and convince them it's the way to go.

Maine and Alaska also have RCV, but the GOP doesn't like it up there because it hasn't been favorable to them yet.

[bobbiemcgee]

Meanwhile, MTG expands on her pro-putin stance to cheers from her jaded audience, Oprah endorses Fetterman over her pill pushing turk/nj guy and Youngkin had to close down his "teacher snitch line" due to lack of snitches.

[UCGRAD4X]

Do you have a source for anyone being held without being charged? Seems like that would violate a lot of really good laws.

I think you would find lots of bipartisan support to reform the process for getting warrants, including banning no knock warrants and early morning raids.

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha. That's funny. If it benefits one party - they won't give a shit.

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile, MTG expands on her pro-putin stance to cheers from her jaded audience, Oprah endorses Fetterman over her pill pushing turk/nj guy and Youngkin had to close down his "teacher snitch line" due to lack of snitches.

Question: Do you believe a brain damaged grifter (Fetterman) is a better choice than an immigrant legacy Thoracic Surgeon (Oz)?
Then Fact: Glenn Younkin has a +55% approval rating vs 35% disapproval in Virginia.
I think he cares less about your yapping.

[GoMuskies]

First Muslim US Senator this year as well as first female governor of Arkansas. Exciting.

[Strange Brew]

First Muslim US Senator this year as well as first female governor of Arkansas. Exciting.

This or Gladiators….?
Everyone: Gladiators.

[xubrew]

I’m trying hard to believe things aren’t this dire, but he also has a point. It’s very disturbing that people won’t except the results of an election if the person who they want to win doesn’t, and would actually support taking measures to install that person anyway. That’s scary. It leaves a taste in my mouth that’s more foul than most things.

https://youtu.be/HKVBvooZ2c8

[Strange Brew]

I’m trying hard to believe things aren’t this dire, but he also has a point. It’s very disturbing that people won’t except the results of an election if the person who they want to win doesn’t, and would actually support taking measures to install that person anyway. That’s scary. It leaves a taste in my mouth that’s more foul than most things.

https://youtu.be/HKVBvooZ2c8

Bill is pushing this narrative. People have accepted 2020. A real threat to Democracy is the silencing of the opposition and using the letter agencies to target political opponents and parents. This narrative from the Ds is a sick joke. It needs to stop as it leads to more division.

[xuwillie]

Bill is pushing this narrative. People have accepted 2020. A real threat to Democracy is the silencing of the opposition and using the letter agencies to target political opponents and parents. This narrative from the Ds is a sick joke. It needs to stop as it leads to more division.


It’s a last ditch effort from the Libs to try and keep the senate. They don’t have anything else they can run on so kind of expected. There are nut jobs on both sides that won’t accept anything so to say it’s a republican issue is just stupid.

[xubrew]

It’s a last ditch effort from the Libs to try and keep the senate. They don’t have anything else they can run on so kind of expected. There are nut jobs on both sides that won’t accept anything so to say it’s a republican issue is just stupid.

My concern is that if they don't keep the senate or house, will they leave, assess why they didn't win, and then talk about what to do about it?? Or will they throw a fit and take it to court to try and stay in office anyway??

If they win back the senate and house some day, will the Republicans leave, or will it be a repeat of what we saw in 2020??


I'll be a little callous and compare it to basketball. Had a team like Kentucky lost last year in the NCAA Tournament, and showed up at the press conference and whine incessantly about how it was stolen from them, and they were robbed, and they really did win the game...that'd be ridiculous. If they tried to get the results of the game overturned, that'd be even more ridiculous. If they showed up at the site of the next round and declared themselves the actual winners, and had people at the NCAA with them who removed Saint Peter's from the floor and said they couldn't play, that'd be so jacked up that the whole system would be broken.

That's where I fear our politics may be heading. I hope a lot of GOP candidates don't win. Hershel Walker has completely debunked any theory that we want our best and brightest to lead us. But if they do win, then they win. That's how it works. It's time for the Dems to take a serious look at how the fuck they lost to HERSHEL WALKER!! Not to protest and insist that they won, and to take measures to put themselves in office anyway. What happened in 2020 and in the months (and years thereafter) was RIDICULOUS!! I believe he is right when he says that actually can fundamentally change this country. It's a little bit alarming to think we may be heading that way. If nothing else, we seem closer to it than at almost any other point in our history.

[xuwillie]

My concern is that if they don't keep the senate or house, will they leave, assess why they didn't win, and then talk about what to do about it?? Or will they throw a fit and take it to court to try and stay in office anyway??

If they win back the senate and house some day, will the Republicans leave, or will it be a repeat of what we saw in 2020??


I'll be a little callous and compare it to basketball. Had a team like Kentucky lost last year in the NCAA Tournament, and showed up at the press conference and whine incessantly about how it was stolen from them, and they were robbed, and they really did win the game...that'd be ridiculous. If they tried to get the results of the game overturned, that'd be even more ridiculous. If they showed up at the site of the next round and declared themselves the actual winners, and had people at the NCAA with them who removed Saint Peter's from the floor and said they couldn't play, that'd be so jacked up that the whole system would be broken.

That's where I fear our politics may be heading. I hope a lot of GOP candidates don't win. Hershel Walker has completely debunked any theory that we want our best and brightest to lead us. But if they do win, then they win. That's how it works. It's time for the Dems to take a serious look at how the fuck they lost to HERSHEL WALKER!! Not to protest and insist that they won, and to take measures to put themselves in office anyway. What happened in 2020 and in the months (and years thereafter) was RIDICULOUS!! I believe he is right when he says that actually can fundamentally change this country. It's a little bit alarming to think we may be heading that way. If nothing else, we seem closer to it than at almost any other point in our history.

All good points and why I think a split house and senate is probably the best thing for this country until people can chill the hell out. Hell my sister still thinks Kerry beat bush and Clinton beat Trump. She'll never accept those results.This has been going on for a while now.

[xubrew]

All good points and why I think a split house and senate is probably the best thing for this country until people can chill the hell out. Hell my sister still thinks Kerry beat bush and Clinton beat Trump. She'll never accept those results.This has been going on for a while now.

Yes, it has. I'm not going to say that it hasn't. I admittedly probably just ignored a lot of it, although I was annoyed in 2016. Once the election was over, not only was it obvious (or should have been) that Trump won, but the REASONS he was able to win should have also been obvious. The Dems were simply not able to look in the mirror and be critical of themselves as to how it happened.

But getting back to the basketball metaphor, up until 2020, I just chalked it up to it being the same as coaches whining sour grapes at a press conference. Now we seem to be at the next stage. Trying to get the results of a game thrown out, and to try to forcibly keep the team that actually won from advancing to the next round and putting the losing team there instead because that's who we were rooting for. That's a new level. No one ever took it as far as Trump did, and it appears that there is an entire clan of GOP candidates who are actually running on the platform that they will push to overturn elections if they don't like who wins them.

[X-band '01]

My concern is that if they don't keep the senate or house, will they leave, assess why they didn't win, and then talk about what to do about it?? Or will they throw a fit and take it to court to try and stay in office anyway??

If they win back the senate and house some day, will the Republicans leave, or will it be a repeat of what we saw in 2020??


I'll be a little callous and compare it to basketball. Had a team like Kentucky lost last year in the NCAA Tournament, and showed up at the press conference and whine incessantly about how it was stolen from them, and they were robbed, and they really did win the game...that'd be ridiculous. If they tried to get the results of the game overturned, that'd be even more ridiculous. If they showed up at the site of the next round and declared themselves the actual winners, and had people at the NCAA with them who removed Saint Peter's from the floor and said they couldn't play, that'd be so jacked up that the whole system would be broken.

That's where I fear our politics may be heading. I hope a lot of GOP candidates don't win. Hershel Walker has completely debunked any theory that we want our best and brightest to lead us. But if they do win, then they win. That's how it works. It's time for the Dems to take a serious look at how the fuck they lost to HERSHEL WALKER!! Not to protest and insist that they won, and to take measures to put themselves in office anyway. What happened in 2020 and in the months (and years thereafter) was RIDICULOUS!! I believe he is right when he says that actually can fundamentally change this country. It's a little bit alarming to think we may be heading that way. If nothing else, we seem closer to it than at almost any other point in our history.

So you're saying the Wisconsin Badgers were crooked back in 2016?

[xubrew]

So you're saying the Wisconsin Badgers were crooked back in 2016?

Of course!!!!

And UCLA was crooked in 2008 when they weren't called for an obvious foul at the end of the game against Texas A&M!! That would have eliminated UCLA and Xavier would have most likely walked into the Final Four!!! Xavier should have shown up at the Final Four with people from the NCAA who were also Xavier alumni, and had UCLA removed from the court!!!

And Hugh Dallas during the 2002 World Cup was corrupt as hell!!!!!


All of these results should have been overturned!!!

[Masterofreality]

My concern is that if they don't keep the senate or house, will they leave, assess why they didn't win, and then talk about what to do about it?? Or will they throw a fit and take it to court to try and stay in office anyway??

If they win back the senate and house some day, will the Republicans leave, or will it be a repeat of what we saw in 2020??


I'll be a little callous and compare it to basketball. Had a team like Kentucky lost last year in the NCAA Tournament, and showed up at the press conference and whine incessantly about how it was stolen from them, and they were robbed, and they really did win the game...that'd be ridiculous. If they tried to get the results of the game overturned, that'd be even more ridiculous. If they showed up at the site of the next round and declared themselves the actual winners, and had people at the NCAA with them who removed Saint Peter's from the floor and said they couldn't play, that'd be so jacked up that the whole system would be broken.

That's where I fear our politics may be heading. I hope a lot of GOP candidates don't win. Hershel Walker has completely debunked any theory that we want our best and brightest to lead us. But if they do win, then they win. That's how it works. It's time for the Dems to take a serious look at how the fuck they lost to HERSHEL WALKER!! Not to protest and insist that they won, and to take measures to put themselves in office anyway. What happened in 2020 and in the months (and years thereafter) was RIDICULOUS!! I believe he is right when he says that actually can fundamentally change this country. It's a little bit alarming to think we may be heading that way. If nothing else, we seem closer to it than at almost any other point in our history.
You Misspelled John Fetterman


Fixed it for you

[XU_Lou]

It's almost like Biden wants as many Democrats as possible to lose??? Additionally, it's almost like Biden wants to hurt as many Americans as well??


Sen. Joe Manchin Saturday demanded President Biden apologize for saying coal plants "all across America" will be shut down, in a scathing statement just days before crucial midterm elections.

"President Biden’s comments are not only outrageous and divorced from reality, they ignore the severe economic pain the American people are feeling because of rising energy costs," Manchin, D-W.Va., said. "Comments like these are the reason the American people are losing trust in President Biden and instead believes he does not understand the need to have an all in energy policy that would keep our nation totally energy independent and secure."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/manchin-demands-biden-apologize-outrageous-coal-comments-time-he-learn-lesson

[Strange Brew]

Fixed it for you

He also could’ve inserted 2000 and 2016 in for 2020..

[Masterofreality]

Joe Biden: serial liar.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/11/05/politics/fact-check-biden-midterms-2022/index.html

[Masterofreality]

And a Cincinnati Democrat knows that Tim Ryan is a Charlatan:

Check out this article from Cincinnati.com: Opinion: I'm an elected Democrat, and I know Tim Ryan is a fraud https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opinion/contributors/2022/11/04/opinion-im-an-elected-democrat-and-i-know-tim-ryan-is-a-fraud/69620532007/

[bjf123]

Bill is pushing this narrative. People have accepted 2020. A real threat to Democracy is the silencing of the opposition and using the letter agencies to target political opponents and parents. This narrative from the Ds is a sick joke. It needs to stop as it leads to more division.

Agreed. While I think both parties really don’t care about the American people, I see the Left as a bigger threat to democracy. Maher talks about the First Amendment going away if the Republicans win. Which party wants you silenced, and has the support and assistance of the media and big tech, if you don’t support their narrative? It sure as hell isn’t the Republicans.

He referenced the rule of law. Where was the rule of law when the riots were happening in many cities a few years ago? You had Democratic mayors and DAs telling their police to stand down and then not prosecuting the rioters. And before anyone accuses me of hypocrisy, I have no problem with those who got into the halls of Congress on January 6 being prosecuted.

He talked about a Republican controlled House impeaching Biden. I’m not sure if I would support that unless they find one hell of a “high crime or misdemeanor”. But, given the Democrats’ handling of their impeachment trials against Trump, what heck did you think was going to happen? They were talking about impeaching him before he had even been sworn in. I now fully expect impeachment hearings to happen any time the House is the under the control of the the opposite party of the sitting President. That’s 100% on the Democrats.


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[Masterofreality]

Know what a “threat to democracy” really is?
The Democrats blabbering about trashing the Filibuster and wanting to expand the Supreme Court.
And for those who say Republicans will do that if in power, welp. THEY had control in full from 2017- January 2020 and never nary an indication that there was any intention to do that, nor in previous times when Repubs were in power.

Just remember that.

[Masterofreality]

By the way, “Two Faced Tim” Ryan is flip flopping again.
Now he has an ad where he firing guns at targets and claiming he’s all pro gun rights. And he’s also now flipped to wanting guaranteed minimum sentences based upon a perp’s prior history and wanting to ban noncitizens from voting. All flips.

When u see a candidate flip to the oppo position he knows he’s in trouble

[X-band '01]

My understanding of the filibuster rules right now is that it no longer exists on justices at any level - the Democrats eliminated it for judicial appointments at the lower levels and the Republicans eliminated the filibuster for Supreme Court justices. The filibuster is still in play for other legislation in the Senate, even though most Democrats wanted to eliminate it when it came time for certaing types of legislation (i.e. voting rights).

Yeah, there's been talk from the Spirit Squad AOC types to expand the court, but even FDR couldn't pack the court in that manner. Don't expect that to happen whether or not the Democrats or Republicans are in charge of the Senate anytime soon.

[xubrew]

I personally think the Supreme Court should be 10. Or 12. Or even as few as 8.

My thinking is that for a lower court’s ruling to be overturned, it should have to lose by more than just one vote. The margin should be 2. Again, just my opinion.

[Strange Brew]

I personally think the Supreme Court should be 10. Or 12. Or even as few as 8.

My thinking is that for a lower court’s ruling to be overturned, it should have to lose by more than just one vote. The margin should be 2. Again, just my opinion.

I hear what you’re saying and that would give the lower courts more authority than the SC. Which imo, is not a good thing.

[paulxu]

Effective filibuster in place when you have the Senate and refuse to bring a nomination to even a committee hearing. (People should decide,etc.)
See Merrick Garland.
But then, you can ram one through in a month if you want to. (Screw the people)
See Amy Barrett.

[Strange Brew]

Effective filibuster in place when you have the Senate and refuse to bring a nomination to even a committee hearing. (People should decide,etc.)
See Merrick Garland.
But then, you can ram one through in a month if you want to. (Screw the people)
See Amy Barrett.

Blame Harry Reid Paul.

[Masterofreality]

Effective filibuster in place when you have the Senate and refuse to bring a nomination to even a committee hearing. (People should decide,etc.)
See Merrick Garland.
But then, you can ram one through in a month if you want to. (Screw the people)
See Amy Barrett.

Fully Constitutional. And your side with Harry Reid’s stupidity started it.
But Paul believes in overturning the Constitution. Sounds Insurrectionny!
BUT DEMOCRACY IS AT STAKE.
(Strokes chin)

[paulxu]

Always trying to find a scapegoat for Republican actions.
Sad.

[XU_Lou]

Blame Harry Reid Paul.


Always trying to find a scapegoat for Republican actions.
Sad.

Nope. Truth. Sad.

[XU_Lou]

"I’m a proud, lifelong Democrat, and it’s my honor to serve the people of Ohio in elected office. It’s because I love my state so much that I’m sounding the alarm about my own party’s nominee for U.S. Senate. Tim Ryan is a fraud who must be defeated. It doesn’t matter if you’re a Republican, an independent, or a Democrat like me − Ryan does not deserve your vote."

- Dusty Rhodes

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/opinion-im-elected-democrat-know-180836564.html

[xuphan]

Always trying to find a scapegoat for Republican actions.
Sad.

So it is ok if the democrats do it but not the republicans? I agree with your general point about nominations but both parties abuse the system. CanÂ’t have it both ways especially if you are ok with one party doing it but not the other. Maybe instead of attacking one party, start to attack the political system (Both the democratic and republican parties) for the way things operate and run. Outside of agendas and beliefs, the Democratic and Republican Party are the same corrupt lobbying Unions who are more about making money than about helping the American people.

[paulxu]

I think all Supreme Court nominees under Reid were at least afforded a hearing and and a vote.
Reid didn't do away with the filibuster for SC nominees. McConnell did.
And then refused to give Garland even the courtesy of a hearing.
Even Trump's nominees got a hearing and a vote. Despite the rush through on Barrett.

[Strange Brew]

I think all Supreme Court nominees under Reid were at least afforded a hearing and and a vote.
Reid didn't do away with the filibuster for SC nominees. McConnell did.
And then refused to give Garland even the courtesy of a hearing.
Even Trump's nominees got a hearing and a vote. Despite the rush through on Barrett.

McConnell warned Reid he would do it if Harry did away with the filibuster for lower court nominees. Reid did it anyway.

Thank God on Garland. The country dodged a bullet on that one.

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=
Thank God on Garland. .[/QUOTE]

He's done a nice job prosecuting morons and soon tRump. No one has any confidence in the SC:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/394103/confidence-supreme-court-sinks-historic-low.aspx

[Strange Brew]

He's done a nice job prosecuting morons and soon tRump. No one has any confidence in the SC:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/394103/confidence-supreme-court-sinks-historic-low.aspx

Ok, Bobbie. Since you think he’s doing well I’ll rest easy knowing he’s not on the bench.

[Masterofreality]

I think all Supreme Court nominees under Reid were at least afforded a hearing and and a vote.
Reid didn't do away with the filibuster for SC nominees. McConnell did.
And then refused to give Garland even the courtesy of a hearing.
Even Trump's nominees got a hearing and a vote. Despite the rush through on Barrett.

Fully Constitutional. Checks and Balances. Advise and Consent.
YOUR guy set the rules. Hurts when they're applied against you doesn't it. No scapegoat about it.
The principles of American DEMOCRACY, that Paul rejects.
Cry more.

[Masterofreality]

And “It’s OVER OHIO!! It’s OVER”!!!!

Two Faced Tim Ryan is going down….HARD!!

https://freebeacon.com/politics/confident-jd-vance-says-tim-ryan-never-had-a-chance/

[Smails]

So it is ok if the democrats do it but not the republicans? I agree with your general point about nominations but both parties abuse the system. CanÂ’t have it both ways especially if you are ok with one party doing it but not the other. Maybe instead of attacking one party, start to attack the political system (Both the democratic and republican parties) for the way things operate and run. Outside of agendas and beliefs, the Democratic and Republican Party are the same corrupt lobbying Unions who are more about making money than about helping the American people.

Enough with that crazy talk. Republicans are a bastion of evil and Dems represent everything that is good in the world! There's no way that they are both willing participants in a pretty messy system where the best operator seems to win. Your comment is a threat to democracy.

[Masterofreality]

Enough with that crazy talk. Republicans are a bastion of evil and Dems represent everything that is good in the world! There's no way that they are both willing participants in a pretty messy system where the best operator seems to win. Your comment is a threat to democracy.

And talking about a “Threat to Democracy”!
Hmmmm.

https://spectator.org/who-is-the-real-threat-to-democracy/

(By the way, I get it Smails) :-)

[paulxu]

Who knew Mitch McConnell was secretly a Democrat.

[Masterofreality]

Who knew Mitch McConnell was secretly a Democrat.

How so? Oh I get it. So you admit Democrats are against norms and the Constitution. Thanks!

Cry more.

Don’t let the Red Tsunami hit you in the face.

[Lamont Sanford]

He's done a nice job prosecuting morons and soon tRump. No one has any confidence in the SC:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/394103/confidence-supreme-court-sinks-historic-low.aspx

Boobie -

NO ONE. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE has any confidence in Garland's Justice department. Period. He (and Obama) have completely weaponized it against their opponents. They all need to be fired.

[GoMuskies]

Everybody remember to get out there and vote no on democracy tomorrow!

[xuphan]

Everybody remember to get out there and vote no on democracy tomorrow!

Haha, please vote for which candidate(s) is/are least likely to do more damage to democracy.

[Strange Brew]

Everybody remember to get out there and vote no on democracy tomorrow!

Public reps. :)

Remember voting can be a threat to democracy. Can't believe this isn't exactly satire....:)

[bobbiemcgee]

Bobbie -

NO ONE. ABSOLUTELY NO ONE has any confidence in Garland's Justice department. Period. He (and Obama) have completely weaponized it against their opponents. They all need to be fired.

Lie.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3521826-most-in-new-poll-support-legal-action-against-elected-officials-who-attempt-to-overturn-election-results/

[bobbiemcgee]

Everybody remember to get out there and vote no on democracy tomorrow!

Yeah, could be sad day for the republic. Oz wants people to get out before the Steelers game and ask for their vote. If he actually knew anything about PA he would have realized they have a bye week. So go ask for their vote next week. Dummy. Meanwhile tRump calls ron "Desanctimonious". I'll get the popcorn.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, could be sad day for the republic. Oz wants people to get out before the Steelers game and ask for their vote. If he actually knew anything about PA he would have realized they have a bye week. So go ask for their vote next week. Dummy. Meanwhile tRump calls ron "Desanctimonious". I'll get the popcorn.

Does Fetterman know it's Monday?

[Strange Brew]

Lie.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/3521826-most-in-new-poll-support-legal-action-against-elected-officials-who-attempt-to-overturn-election-results/

Haha, nice try. That is not a question about the DOJ but about challenging election results.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, could be sad day for the republic. Oz wants people to get out before the Steelers game and ask for their vote. If he actually knew anything about PA he would have realized they have a bye week. So go ask for their vote next week. Dummy. Meanwhile tRump calls ron "Desanctimonious". I'll get the popcorn.

Very sad day. And why will anyone care about Trump and DeSanctimonious after Tuesday? Democracy will be dead, so it's not like we'll have a vote anymore.

[Strange Brew]

Very sad day. And why will anyone care about Trump and DeSanctimonious after Tuesday? Democracy will be dead, so it's not like we'll have a vote anymore.

Great point Go but only if Republicans win. If the Dems hold on it is Democracy in action.

This is what democracy looks like! :)

[noteggs]

I’m starting believe the world is going to come to end in 10 years (pick your number) if we don’t tackle climate change over this democracy stuff. Well not really.

Nothing like spreading unrealistic fear to voters. Have to give democrats and MSM credit for this one. Even made it to the top of the new NBC poll.

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha, nice try. That is not a question about the DOJ but about challenging election results.

"The majority of Americans said that the Department of Justice (DOJ) should bring legal action against officials who mislead the public about the outcome of an election," - guess your reading comprehension a little off .

[Strange Brew]

"The majority of Americans said that the Department of Justice (DOJ) should bring legal action against officials who mislead the public about the outcome of an election," - guess your reading comprehension a little off .

That headline is exactly what I wrote.

It's not about the DOJ itself but about challenging/questioning elections.

My comprehension is fine.

Is that you Mr. Fetterman???? Haha.

[bobbiemcgee]

That headline is exactly what I wrote.

It's not about the DOJ itself but about challenging/questioning elections.

My comprehension is fine.

Is that you Mr. Fetterman???? Haha.

oz thinks it's 11/13

[Strange Brew]

oz thinks it's 11/13

Ok, cool Bobbie. He's still smarter and more coherent than Fetterman and Biden.

[XU_Lou]

Ok, cool Bobbie. He's still smarter and more coherent than Fetterman and Biden combined.

fixed that for you, hope you didn't mind :tonguewag:

[GoMuskies]

Betting odds are trending every so slightly towards the Democrats at this late hour.

[X-band '01]

I'm more interested in the odds on the Orange Messiah announcing his run for the Presidency when he appears in Dayton tonight.

[GoMuskies]

Trump is -300 to announce his candidacy before the end of 2022.

[xuphan]

I'm more interested in the odds on the Orange Messiah announcing his run for the Presidency when he appears in Dayton tonight.

The Orange Messiah 🤪

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm more interested in the odds on the Orange Messiah announcing his run for the Presidency when he appears in Dayton tonight.

Lucy pulled the football again.

[Strange Brew]

Lucy pulled the football again.

How old are you? Jeez.

[Leghorn]

Yeah, could be sad day for the republic. Oz wants people to get out before the Steelers game and ask for their vote. If he actually knew anything about PA he would have realized they have a bye week. So go ask for their vote next week. Dummy. Meanwhile tRump calls ron "Desanctimonious". I'll get the popcorn.



Pennsylvania Democrat Senate candidate John Fetterman confused the Eagles and the Steelers and said, “the Eagles are so much better than the Eagles!,” during his remarks in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, on 9/24/2022.

[Lamont Sanford]

Boobie doesn't let facts get in the way of his skewed opinions. If he lived in Pennsylvania, he'd vote for Fetterman two or three or six times. I think he's out in Arizona though, so it's a lock he's gonna vote for Chickenshit Katie Hobbs who also can't form a coherent sentence and refused to debate Kari Lake.

[Masterofreality]

Boobie doesn't let facts get in the way of his skewed opinions. If he lived in Pennsylvania, he'd vote for Fetterman two or three or six times. I think he's out in Arizona though, so it's a lock he's gonna vote for Chickenshit Katie Hobbs who also can't form a coherent sentence and refused to debate Kari Lake.

Bobbie is in Colorado. They can't decide what color they are out there, so they're just a bunch of incoherent letters mashed together.

[Masterofreality]

ITS LIBERATION DAY!!!!!

First from the Jackbooted Thugs ruling Congress who F%4cked everything up.
Second from these stupid political ads on TV.

And Tim Ryan running a high gross rating point ad with Bernie Kosar in Cincinnati (he's already gonna win the Cuyahoga Socialist State by default but get drilled elsewhere) is the height of stupidity. I'm sure Bernie "being the greatest quarterback in Browns history really moves the needle in Southern Ohio.

[Strange Brew]

I’m starting believe the world is going to come to end in 10 years (pick your number) if we don’t tackle climate change over this democracy stuff. Well not really.

Nothing like spreading unrealistic fear to voters. Have to give democrats and MSM credit for this one. Even made it to the top of the new NBC poll.

Nothing to worry about if wealthy nations give around $2T in climate reparations. This, according to the U.N.

[Muskie in dayton]

The last few days Biden, other Dems and the MSM keep telling us it will take “weeks” to count all the ballots. Now we are
getting multiple reports (AZ and TX, among others) of voting machines being down or failing to tabulate votes. That’s how it’s done folks.

[Xville]

really good news here...money talks:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-mega-donor-ken-griffin-061406946.html


I like Desantis for the most part, my qualms with him are illustrated in the couple of points made by Griffin in the article---namely that he acts like a two year old having a tantrum sometimes, and democrats are certainly going to pounce on that trait. However, all in all his policies are solid.

[STL_XUfan]

The last few days Biden, other Dems and the MSM keep telling us it will take “weeks” to count all the ballots. Now we are
getting multiple reports (AZ and TX, among others) of voting machines being down or failing to tabulate votes. That’s how it’s done folks.

It will take weeks to count the ballots in every single state and location. For example, if you had to vote provisionally in Ohio, you have up to 7 days to cure the issue so your provision ballot counts. No one will certify their election results tonight.

What you are talking about is when pollsters will feel comfortable making projections based on leads vs. outstanding ballots. So the tighter the race the harder it will be to predict the winner until all of the votes are actually in and counted. It is pretty basic and easy to understand, despite your efforts to attempt to muddy the water so you can claim some grand conspiracy.

[Strange Brew]

What a shock. Philly won’t have results on Weds now. The rest of the state should hold reporting until Philly reports so officials there don’t know how many votes to find.

[STL_XUfan]

What a shock. Philly won’t have results on Weds now. The rest of the state should hold reporting until Philly reports so officials there don’t know how many votes to find.

Seriously, you believe (and not without good cause) that the democrats are completely dysfunctional and cannot figure out their ass from a hole in the ground. But at the same time believe that the same band of dysfunctional misfits could pull off large scale fraud the type that would take the coordination and silence of 10,000s of people at all levels of state government.

[Strange Brew]

Seriously, you believe (and not without good cause) that the democrats are completely dysfunctional and cannot figure out their ass from a hole in the ground. But at the same time believe that the same band of dysfunctional misfits could pull off large scale fraud the type that would take the coordination and silence of 10,000s of people at all levels of state government.

They are dysfunctional at governing but have had their “machines” in place for decades.

For reference, Kennedy/Nixon.

[X-band '01]

Also keep in mind Ohio has mechanisms in place where they could validate absentee ballots ahead of time (but still start counting on Election Day). Pennsylvania does not, therefore it's going to take time to count and validate everything, just like 2020 when they had a lot more votes by mail than in the past.

DeWine should be called as a winner almost instantly, although if Vance does indeed win it will likely be later in the night (11 PM, 12 AM likely). But if Ryan ekes out late, then that means there's likely a lot of mail-in voting that's falling his way.

I know Florida gets out of the gates pretty quickly - if they're not called by the end of the day, we're looking at a major upset somewhere. But given that they now have more registered Republican voters, that ain't happening.

I'm not saying count the early votes ahead of time, but validate them ASAP and have a plan in place like Ohio where you can track an absentee ballot just in case something happens.

[Strange Brew]

Also keep in mind Ohio has mechanisms in place where they could validate absentee ballots ahead of time (but still start counting on Election Day). Pennsylvania does not, therefore it's going to take time to count and validate everything, just like 2020 when they had a lot more votes by mail than in the past.

DeWine should be called as a winner almost instantly, although if Vance does indeed win it will likely be later in the night (11 PM, 12 AM likely). But if Ryan ekes out late, then that means there's likely a lot of mail-in voting that's falling his way.

I know Florida gets out of the gates pretty quickly - if they're not called by the end of the day, we're looking at a major upset somewhere. But given that they now have more registered Republican voters, that ain't happening.

I'm not saying count the early votes ahead of time, but validate them ASAP and have a plan in place like Ohio where you can track an absentee ballot just in case something happens.

No issue however all precincts within a state should report at relatively the same time to avoid what Philly has done for years.

[X-band '01]

For in-person voting, I would agree. However, and this is the point that STL is bringing up - Philly also has a huge population that will be voting by mail this year and not validating ballots until today is going to jam up the vote counting for a day or two.

[STL_XUfan]

They are dysfunctional at governing but have had their “machines” in place for decades.

For reference, Kennedy/Nixon.

If the bullshit you are spewing is true, why would they wait to announce? They could just run up the score and report with everyone else since this machine works so well.

There are so many safeguards in place that it would be damn near impossible to pull off any significant voter fraud. And even if you did, no way it would not get caught. Instead you just want to cast doubt onto an election before it happens with absolutely no evidence, which is both dangerous and disingenuous.

[Lamont Sanford]

How is it that up until the 2020 election that we could have a winner announced/confirmed when election day was over?!?

How is it that France is able to do it all in one day and with (God help us) paper ballots?!? Ohh the horror!!!

How is it that America's Got Talent can tabulate 150MM votes in a matter of minutes, yet the dumbasses in our state governments need a week or more?!?

It's beyond ridiculous.

[STL_XUfan]

How is it that up until the 2020 election that we could have a winner announced/confirmed when election day was over?!? Frist, that isn't true, see the 2000 election. Second, the winner is never confirmed on election night, it always takes weeks to count the ballots, it is just the winner can be projected. The closer the race, the longer the count and 2020 was a close race in several states that mattered. Finally, it is because we have increased alternatives matters of voting and added more safeguards to protect against voter fraud. So it takes more time to ensure those safeguards are being followed.



How is it that America's Got Talent can tabulate 150MM votes in a matter of minutes, yet the dumbasses in our state governments need a week or more?!?

It's beyond ridiculous. Shit isn't exactly audited. We could put a poll up on this website and get the votes calculated pretty quickly. Are you suggesting that is we how hold our elections?

[Strange Brew]

If the bullshit you are spewing is true, why would they wait to announce? They could just run up the score and report with everyone else since this machine works so well.

There are so many safeguards in place that it would be damn near impossible to pull off any significant voter fraud. And even if you did, no way it would not get caught. Instead you just want to cast doubt onto an election before it happens with absolutely no evidence, which is both dangerous and disingenuous.

Look up what happened overnight in 2020 for your answer.

[xuwillie]

Look up what happened overnight in 2020 for your answer.

AZ system was a mess in 2020 and is a mess today.

[Strange Brew]

AZ system was a mess in 2020 and is a mess today.

Hmm, who’s the current Sec of State in AZ?

[STL_XUfan]

Look up what happened overnight in 2020 for your answer.

Absolutely nothing that wasn't predicted to happen. Shit was investigated repeatedly and they found nothing.

You are seeing the same stupid shit as 2020. Before anything even happens, far right sources are trying to prime people that there will be some giant vote drop in middle of the night. No shit, all of the mail in ballots for some of the most populous areas will be added into the counts. But yet before anything happens you are out here sprouting your useless bullshit.

[bobbiemcgee]

Bobbie doesn't let facts get in the way of his skewed opinions. If he lived in Pennsylvania, he'd vote for Fetterman two or three or six times. I think he's out in Arizona though, so it's a lock he's gonna vote for Chickenshit Katie Hobbs who also can't form a coherent sentence and refused to debate Kari Lake.

Guess you'd vote for the NJ fraud happy pill pusher. Lake sez she's "tRump in a dress". So disgusting...

“If you see the handwriting on the wall, you’re in the toilet.” - Fred Sanford

[Smails]

Instead you just want to cast doubt onto an election before it happens with absolutely no evidence, which is both dangerous and disingenuous.

I would say a horseshit impeachment of a sitting President is far more dangerous when it comes to casting doubts on our election integrity...wouldn't you agree?

[GoMuskies]

I assume if Republicans take the House we'll have a horseshit impeachment of a sitting President. Pretty sure it's just going to be the standard practice from here on out.

[Smails]

I assume if Republicans take the House we'll have a horseshit impeachment of a sitting President. Pretty sure it's just going to be the standard practice from here on out.

God I hope not... but I agree...what a mess we've gotten ourselves into

[Strange Brew]

Absolutely nothing that wasn't predicted to happen. Shit was investigated repeatedly and they found nothing.

You are seeing the same stupid shit as 2020. Before anything even happens, far right sources are trying to prime people that there will be some giant vote drop in middle of the night. No shit, all of the mail in ballots for some of the most populous areas will be added into the counts. But yet before anything happens you are out here sprouting your useless bullshit.

I’m not reading far right sources.

The ballot dumps in 2020 were new. Mail ins were previously counted first.

[paulxu]

I’m not reading far right sources.

The ballot dumps in 2020 were new. Mail ins were previously counted first.

They could have counted, or at least processed them for accuracy, in Pennsylvania.
But the Republican legislature passed a law saying they couldn't till election day.

[Strange Brew]

They could have counted, or at least processed them for accuracy, in Pennsylvania.
But the Republican legislature passed a law saying they couldn't till election day.

Right, so why can they now not get it done like the rest of the state?

[paulxu]

Right, so why can they now not get it done like the rest of the state?

The law applies to the whole state of Pennsylvania.

[Strange Brew]

The law applies to the whole state of Pennsylvania.

Fair. Let’s all report at the same time this time. ;)

[X-band '01]

Are we sure that Mike DeWine and Tony Evers aren't the same person? They look like doppelgangers on TV.

[Xville]

So hopefully now people have realized that trump is an idiot, people hate him and he did more harm than good for the republicans this cycle. Republicans should have wiped the floor with these midterms but it looks like the senate will probably be 51-49 dems or 50-50 and republicans take the house but not at the majority that was expected.

In the end this is great for the country as desantis or someone else in the Republican Party that is sane will get the nomination in 24 and the polarization of this country can subside at least by a little bit. Further away from trump, the better this country will be.

[bobbiemcgee]

Fox projects Fetterman win!! Red tsunami my ass.

Enjoy!!

https://practicalselfreliance.com/eating-crow/

[Xville]

The Democrats have spent over $30 million propping up MAGA candidates in the Primaries thinking they would be easy marks in the General Elections.
The MSM gave Trump billions in free media propping him up in the Primaries in 2016 thinking he’d be an easy mark.
Whoops!!!
They are too stupid to learn

“ In the lead-up to the 2016 presidential election, the national media and the Hillary Clinton campaign devised a plan to elevate Donald Trump and so-called “lunacy” over a field of up-and-coming Republican politicians. According to New York Times journalist Amy Chozick, who was embedded with Hillary Clinton’s campaign from inception to death, campaign manager Robby Mook called a meeting with an agenda of specifically asking “How do we maximize Donald Trump?” Chozick also noted how Mook “salivated when a debate came on, and Trump would start to speak. ‘Shhhhh,’ Robby said, practically pressing his nose up to the TV. ‘I’ve gahtz to get me some Trump.’”

We all know how that worked out. Yet fast-forward to the 2022 midterm elections — and Democrats are using the same strategy in several key races across the country that will tilt the balance of power. One such race in Arizona has captivated Democrats and the media, where Republican candidate Kari Lake benefited from Democratic efforts to boost the “crazy” candidate. Once again it looks like the Dems are going to come to regret it.”

With the result:

“ Once again Democrats created a verifiable rock star of the right in Kari Lake — and once again they will only have themselves to blame when she wins. It’s worth remembering this the next time Joe Biden orders his acolytes to pressure-wash the homeless people out of one of our city’s stations so he can intone that “democracy itself” is at stake. If that’s the case, bucko, then why did you guys spend so much putting all of these “election-deniers,” the “extreme MAGA element of the Republican Party,” on the ballot?”

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/democrats-made-kari-lake-star-election-deniers-democracy/

Lol this didn’t age well.

[Strange Brew]

So hopefully now people have realized that trump is an idiot, people hate him and he did more harm than good for the republicans this cycle. Republicans should have wiped the floor with these midterms but it looks like the senate will probably be 51-49 dems or 50-50 and republicans take the house but not at the majority that was expected.

In the end this is great for the country as desantis or someone else in the Republican Party that is sane will get the nomination in 24 and the polarization of this country can subside at least by a little bit. Further away from trump, the better this country will be.

Many feel the same about you.

I’ve said many times I hope Trump doesn’t run again. Welcome to the DeSantis train. Remind me again of your thoughts on his COVID policies.

It’s not great for the country as we still have a President who doesn’t know where he is and he may
have free reign if the R’s don’t gain the House.

[Xville]

Many feel the same about you.

I’ve said many times I hope Trump doesn’t run again. Welcome to the DeSantis train. Remind me again of your thoughts on his COVID policies.

It’s not great for the country as we still have a President who doesn’t know where he is and he may
have free reign if the R’s don’t gain the House.

You upset, bro? “Many”—-I.e. you, lou and the thumb up your ass brigade that is consistently wrong on just about everything?

I’m not on the “desantis train” I’m on the not trump or Biden train.

It is great for the country dumbass because now it’s completely apparent that trump isn’t electable and people hate him and his cronies more than the progressive left. Now, Republicans can take their party back, and the polarization that exists in this country can start to subside while there is fantastic gridlock for at least two years.

Turns out McConnell was absolutely correct and trump once again proves to be a complete idiot.

[Strange Brew]

You upset, bro? “Many”—-I.e. you, lou and the thumb up your ass brigade that is consistently wrong on just about everything?

I’m not on the “desantis train” I’m on the not trump or Biden train.

It is great for the country dumbass because now it’s completely apparent that trump isn’t electable and people hate him and his cronies more than the progressive left. Now, Republicans can take their party back, and the polarization that exists in this country can start to subside.

Not mad at all bro.

Get you head out of your ass about Trump. He’s not on the ballot.

Dumbass

Thanks for the record inflation, high energy costs and all the other BS.

I haven’t been wrong about anything including the SC. I made no predictions about the election.

Derper (thanks for exposing yourself as a Krugman fanboy, haha).

Edit: Hey genius. In your world Trump lost tonight in an election in which he wasn’t even running. That’s how warped your thinking is.

Also, interesting that you capitalized Biden but not Trump. You’re cellophane.

[Xville]

Not mad at all bro.

Get you head out of your ass about Trump. He’s not on the ballot.

Dumbass

Thanks for the record inflation, high energy costs and all the other BS.

I haven’t been wrong about anything including the SC. I made no predictions about the election.

Derper (thanks for exposing yourself as a Krugman fanboy, haha).

Edit: Hey genius. In your world Trump lost tonight in an election in which he wasn’t even running. That’s how warped your thinking is.

Also, interesting that you capitalized Biden but not Trump. You’re cellophane.

What mind numbing rambling from you. Do you really have that much trouble connecting the dots? To not think trump was on the ballot tonight is being literally clueless about politics. However, coming from you that’s no surprise.

It’s a shame that someone who believes he knows something about how this country and politics works, knows so very little. Tonight is an indictment on trump and his cronies, while also being a huge win for desantis and normal non election denier politicians . If you can’t see that I feel sorry for your low iq.

[Strange Brew]

What mind numbing rambling from you. Do you really have that much trouble connecting the dots? To not think trump was on the ballot tonight is being literally clueless about politics. However, coming from you that’s no surprise.

Oh, you were so close to a coherent thought. Trump wasn’t on my ballot but apparently he was somewhere on yours.

He lives rent free in your head.

Meanwhile, the rest of us living in today world are happy the House looks like it can curb the nonsense of the current admin.

Serious question. Who is the current President and what party has had total control of gov’t the past two years?

[Strange Brew]

What mind numbing rambling from you. Do you really have that much trouble connecting the dots? To not think trump was on the ballot tonight is being literally clueless about politics. However, coming from you that’s no surprise.

It’s a shame that someone who believes he knows something about how this country and politics works, knows so very little. Tonight is an indictment on trump and his cronies, while also being a huge win for desantis and normal non election denier politicians . If you can’t see that I feel sorry for your low iq.

You insolent little person. It was only about Trump to you and other mentally unbalanced people.

You got one thing right. It was a huge win for DeSantis. You know the guy I’ve been hoping wins the R nomination in ‘24.

[Xville]

Oh, you were so close to a coherent thought. Trump wasn’t on my ballot but apparently he was somewhere on yours.

He lives rent free in your head.

Meanwhile, the rest of us living in today world are happy the House looks like it can curb the nonsense of the current admin.

Serious question. Who is the current President and what party has had total control of gov’t the past two years?

I’m glad the republicans probably got the house. As I posted days ago, I am excited for gridlock. I’m sorry you can’t connect the dots regarding that what happened is in an indictment on trump. Of course I’m sure during his big stupid announcement, he will blame McConnell and McCarthy.

Maybe think really hard how this result was an indictment on trump and his buddies , and it will come to you one day.

[Xville]

You insolent little person. It was only about Trump to you and other mentally unbalanced people.

You got one thing right. It was a huge win for DeSantis. You know the guy I’ve been hoping wins the R nomination in ‘24.

Rich calling me mentally unbalanced when it’s you who believes in Election Day conspiracy theories.

[X-band '01]

Ted Budd and JD Vance (btw, congrats to California on their first Republican Senator since the 1980s) were a couple beneficiaries of Trump's endorsements, but it doesn't appear that anyone else has benefited beyond that. Walker and the Arizona cabal could still pull ahead, and Laxalt was slightly ahead as of this morning.

Also getting a feeling that Bobbie will be giddy as hell if Lauren Boebert ends up losing her congressional seat.

But overall, we're just getting a red puddle and not this red tsunami that the Right was promising would happen.

[Masterofreality]

Fox projects Fetterman win!! Red tsunami my ass.

Enjoy!!

https://practicalselfreliance.com/eating-crow/

Celebrating a brain dead deadbeat of a failed city mayor being elected to the Senate over a second generation Immigrant Thoracic Surgeon.
The. First time Fetterman votes the wrong way on a bill because he can’t understand what it says will be hilarious.
Congrats to the country, I guess.

[Masterofreality]

Lol this didn’t age well.

Seemingly so.
No matter what happens the rest of the way, there will be gridlock in DC (thankfully) and lots of soul searching.
Hopefully 2024 will be managed better after considerations.

[Xville]

Seemingly so.
No matter what happens the rest of the way, there will be gridlock in DC (thankfully) and lots of soul searching.
Hopefully 2024 will be managed better after considerations.

Yep...gridlock is perfect for the next two years. It would have been great for the republicans to take both chambers, but honestly, I think this is better in the long run. Trump won't look electable, and Desantis or another sane Republican will be the candidate and win in '24. Trump is the only one that could possibly lose to Biden. It's extremely clear to anyone paying any attention that moderates will hold their nose and vote for a far left candidate over a Trumper. Pubs need to move away from him.

[Xuperman]

Yeah, getting control of the House is all that is necessary. If the Senate remains 50-50, no big deal because Manchin is pissed. Besides, for all of us conservatives wanting Trump to go away, this Senate situation will certainly help in that regard. He is officially unable to expand his base and you can be sure he'll do more damage to himself by 2024. If his ego allows him to announce he's running in '24, it will be interesting to see polling on his chances. I feel really confident that DeSantis could dust him in the Primaries....... I hope Trump continues to attack him.

[Masterofreality]

Yep...gridlock is perfect for the next two years. It would have been great for the republicans to take both chambers, but honestly, I think this is better in the long run. Trump won't look electable, and Desantis or another sane Republican will be the candidate and win in '24. Trump is the only one that could possibly lose to Biden. It's extremely clear to anyone paying any attention that moderates will hold their nose and vote for a far left candidate over a Trumper. Pubs need to move away from him.

You know what would rule?

The Republican controlled House indicts Trump and he's barred from running again, even as an independent. Problem solved.
I was, and am, all in on his policies, but he needs to leave the stage. He won't unless he's forced.
Meanwhile, *some* on this board will spend the entire day going through this thread looking for "gotcha" posts from me about Trump. I don't care.
Knock yourselves out.

[Xuperman]

Celebrating a brain dead deadbeat of a failed city mayor being elected to the Senate over a second generation Immigrant Thoracic Surgeon.
The. First time Fetterman votes the wrong way on a bill because he can’t understand what it says will be hilarious.
Congrats to the country, I guess.

Absolutely NO chance he'll vote the wrong way. Leadership will tell him its not neccesary to read anything.He will be the ultimate rubber stamp, unless Biden decides to pivot some. (I intentionally posted this for humor purposes).

[Smails]

Got a late start this morning so I'm just getting up to speed...it looks like we still have a democracy (err constitutional republic). Whew! I was worried about that.

Do you think last night's underwhelming performance by the GOP emboldens Biden to run again in 2024?

[Xville]

Got a late start this morning so I'm just getting up to speed...it looks like we still have a democracy (err constitutional republic). Whew! I was worried about that.

Do you think last night's underwhelming performance by the GOP emboldens Biden to run again in 2024?

I don't know who else the Dems have that could actually win a general election. As Republicans need to look in the mirror today regarding Trump, Dems need to do that as well with their leadership. Moderates/Independents still decide elections and I don't see anyone on the Dem side in leadership that fits the profile and is electable for the presidency right now.

[STL_XUfan]

I don't know who else the Dems have that could actually win a general election. As Republicans need to look in the mirror today regarding Trump, Dems need to do that as well with their leadership. Moderates/Independents still decide elections and I don't see anyone on the Dem side in leadership that fits the profile and is electable for the presidency right now.

Maybe Sherrod Brown?

Personally I would like to see Pete Buttigieg as I think he is a generational mind, but as far as the country has moved recently on the issue, I do not think it has moved far enough to elect an openly gay President yet.

[Xuperman]

Maybe Sherrod Brown?

Personally I would like to see Pete Buttigieg as I think he is a generational mind, but as far as the country has moved recently on the issue, I do not think it has moved far enough to elect an openly gay President yet.

Surely you jest.

[Xuperman]

Got a late start this morning so I'm just getting up to speed...it looks like we still have a democracy (err constitutional republic). Whew! I was worried about that.

Do you think last night's underwhelming performance by the GOP emboldens Biden to run again in 2024?

Just his age and the associated cognitive skills makes it basically impossible. I predict with 2 more years of these far right progressive policies, someone will emerge that will simply campaign on the border and crime. The American people will not accept 6 more years of this crap.

[Xuperman]

It looks like we still have a democracy (err constitutional republic). Whew! I was worried about that.

I know, I was worried sick! This is all I could think of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sED4fzIV0k

[Smails]

I know, I was worried sick! This is all I could think of.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-sED4fzIV0k

"You can believe Mr. Pecker"

"My name is Peck"

[Xville]

Maybe Sherrod Brown?

Personally I would like to see Pete Buttigieg as I think he is a generational mind, but as far as the country has moved recently on the issue, I do not think it has moved far enough to elect an openly gay President yet.

Yeah just what we need another 70ish year old running the country. Sorry to all the older folks on here, but just as there is a minimum age, I firmly believe there should be a max age as well for the Presidency. It is noted in numerous studies that at a certain age cognitive abilities start to dwindle.

[xubrew]

Both sides are claiming victory after last night. I guess that's good.

[paulxu]

I certainly would be in favor of younger candidates vying for leadership. Age does play a factor in ability, stamina, etc.
Would be good to have someone in their 50's with experience, and not in reality TV. (and yes, I'm one of the older folks)

But remained troubled that "gridlock" is a good place for our country with all the challenges we face.
Hopefully, wiser minds will prevail

[GoMuskies]

I was kind of hoping for a rebuke of progressivism last night, but I can handle a rebuke of Trumpism. DeSantis was obviously the big winner of the night from the national scene, but Trump is going to do his best to make sure that even if DeSantis beats him in a primary (which I think it's becoming clearer he would) he'll be kneecapped for the general. So, yay President Harris or whatever.

If I had to pick a relatively realistic Democrat to run for President and win, I'd go Cory Booker. I'm definitely not in line with that guy on policy, but I've always been impressed with the guy when I've listened to him talk. He's the anti-Kamala in that respect.

[GoMuskies]

I do not think it has moved far enough to elect an openly gay President yet.

During the last presidential campaign, I read that Pete wasn't gay. He just has sex with a man. Otherwise, those two are just living a normal heterosexual life. The culture out there is weird, man.

[Xuperman]

I've said this before, and yes, the possibility is EXTREMELY slim, but Michelle Obama checks ALL the boxes for the progressive left. She would wax the floor with Trump!

Again, the real problem for the Dems in '24 is finding someone willing to push back on some of these disastrous domestic policies. I don't think anyone can win the Democratic nomination promising more of the same. There has to be a large portion of Democrat voters that can't stomach much more of this.

[Xville]

I've said this before, and yes, the possibility is EXTREMELY slim, but Michelle Obama checks ALL the boxes for the progressive left. She would wax the floor with Trump!

Again, the real problem for the Dems in '24 is finding someone willing to push back on some of these disastrous domestic policies. I don't think anyone can win the Democratic nomination promising more of the same. There has to be a large portion of Democrat voters that can't stomach much more of this.

These are not the people you need to convince in a general...it's the moderates/independents. Democrats are going to vote democrat most of the time regardless of the candidate, just like the other side.

[Xuperman]

I disagree....if this continues to go like it is, there will be a large number of registered Dems simply switch over to the good guys. It's happening now, and the minority numbers are shifting Red as well.

There is always the possibility the '24 Dem nominee will come from the Governor ranks. Governors have the ability to campaign on there statewide success and not be as tainted with the DC stench. Maybe a Roy Cooper or Andy Beshear could find a lane and do well.

[xuwillie]

I'm not so sure Republicans are going to win the House. What a mess, you can thank trump for getting involved. He's the gift that keeps giving for those far left liberals. Fetterman as a senator is a complete joke.

[paulxu]

You want a mess? Watch McCarthy trying to lead his majority with Jordan and Taylor Green in leadership roles.
It'll be like Boehner trying to control the "freedom caucus."

[Xville]

I'm not so sure Republicans are going to win the House. What a mess, you can thank trump for getting involved. He's the gift that keeps giving for those far left liberals. Fetterman as a senator is a complete joke.

Watch what you say about trump on here. He wasn’t on the ballot last night according to clueless strange brew

[Strange Brew]

Watch what you say about trump on here. He wasn’t on the ballot last night according to clueless strange brew

Well, he wasn’t. He backed some candidates for sure.

You won’t stop talking about him and I don’t really care what he has to say.

What do you think of Biden 2024? Do you think he’ll run again?

[Xville]

Well, he wasn’t. He backed some candidates for sure.

You won’t stop talking about him and I don’t really care what he has to say.

What do you think of Biden 2024? Do you think he’ll run again?

That's because you are a simpleton that can't see the forest thru the trees.

"Backed some"---he endorsed over 300 candidates. You show so much ignorance on this topic it is astounding.

[Strange Brew]

That's because you are a simpleton that can't see the forest thru the trees.

"Backed some"---he endorsed over 300 candidates. You show so much ignorance on this topic it is astounding.

Give it a break Ville. Sure and some won and some lost. DeSantis will likely be the torch bearer for the R's so you can stop worrying about Trump and get some sleep.

How about Biden 2024? Can we focus on people actually in charge of something?

[Xville]

Give it a break Ville. Sure and some won and some lost. DeSantis will likely be the torch bearer for the R's so you can stop worrying about Trump and get some sleep.

How about Biden 2024? Can we focus on people actually in charge of something?

that's my entire point. If the republicans did have a tsunami, that would have been good for trump, but bad for the general in '24. In other words, Biden would beat Trump again. The great part about last night is that Republicans did enough to get to gridlock, but not so well that Trump could lean on it to win the primary again. Now, there is enough ammunition for republican leadership to steer away from Trump and to more sane candidates.

[xuwillie]

Give it a break Ville. Sure and some won and some lost. DeSantis will likely be the torch bearer for the R's so you can stop worrying about Trump and get some sleep.

How about Biden 2024? Can we focus on people actually in charge of something?

I don't think Trump will go away quietly. He'll run independent just to screw Desantis. Republicans have a pretty big issue to figure out going into 24

[xukeith]

This year might have neen the most opportune time to beat liberals with inflation and economy being a big issue.
Big miss for Republicans.
I guess Obama saved the liberals day in voter turnout.
Only hope now is Nevada and Wisconsin to turn red. Slight hope for GA.
I am surprised at Dem's turnout.

[94GRAD]

This year might have neen the most opportune time to beat liberals with inflation and economy being a big issue.
Big miss for Republicans.
I guess Obama saved the liberals day in voter turnout.
Only hope now is Nevada and Wisconsin to turn red. Slight hope for GA.
I am surprised at Dem's turnout.

Really? Since Roe v. Wade was overturned and kicked back to the states, People have been champing at the bit to vote against restricting personal choice and the people that are trying to restrict it.

[Strange Brew]

Really? Since Roe v. Wade was overturned and kicked back to the states, People have been champing at the bit to vote against restricting personal choice and the people that are trying to restrict it.

Don't know what affect turning out for a Federal election will have on the decision. The Gov races sure but abortion at the Fed level is done unless there's an Amendment passed.

Edit: I understand that turnout for Guvs affects overall turnout.

[Strange Brew]

that's my entire point. If the republicans did have a tsunami, that would have been good for trump, but bad for the general in '24. In other words, Biden would beat Trump again. The great part about last night is that Republicans did enough to get to gridlock, but not so well that Trump could lean on it to win the primary again. Now, there is enough ammunition for republican leadership to steer away from Trump and to more sane candidates.

I get what you're saying however it would've been good for Rs in general not just Trump. I'm hoping he backs out and DeSantis/others can rise.

DeSantis is rolling. He won Dade County last night. A Republican hasn't won that county in eons.

[paulxu]

I know a LOT of people vote straight party line, and both parties have put forth candidates that are less than ideal.

But the fact that 2 million Georgians can vote for Herschel Walker to be their representative in the Senate just amazes me.

[Strange Brew]

I know a LOT of people vote straight party line, and both parties have put forth candidates that are less than ideal.

But the fact that 2 million Georgians can vote for Herschel Walker to be their representative in the Senate just amazes me.

I feel the same way about Fetterman in PA. Walker wasn't a good candidate but he's done ok and we'll see what happens in a runoff. I think he'll lose but you never know.

Then again, the fine people of PA elected a State Rep who is dead.

[bjf123]

Really? Since Roe v. Wade was overturned and kicked back to the states, People have been champing at the bit to vote against restricting personal choice and the people that are trying to restrict it.

I think that might have resulted in a larger than expected turn out of younger women who saw this as the only issue. Unfortunately, the extremes of both parties are out of touch with most of America on abortion. You have the far left wanting abortion up to the moment of birth, while the far right wants a total ban in all cases. The reality is that most Americans want abortions available to save the life of the mother, or in the case of rape or incest. Most also are ok with abortions prior to the third trimester, but a ban after that. Neither party can support those options.


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[bobbiemcgee]

I get what you're saying however it would've been good for Rs in general not just Trump. I'm hoping he backs out and DeSantis/others can rise.

DeSantis is rolling. He won Dade County last night. A Republican hasn't won that county in eons.

Desantis opponent was a "dead man walking". Lost some many times before. Trump's massive ego won't let him back out. Should be an interesting primary.

[bobbiemcgee]

Don’t let the Red Tsunami hit you in the face.

Hahaha

[bobbiemcgee]

Both sides are claiming victory after last night. I guess that's good.

Watching fox it's like rush died again.

[xuwillie]

Watching fox it's like rush died again.

And you’re still what’s wrong with politics and society in general. Good job

[bobbiemcgee]

And you’re still what’s wrong with politics and society in general. Good job

Not sure why you want to make it personal...wake up...Half the Country disagrees with you.

[Xuperman]

Desantis opponent was a "dead man walking". Lost some many times before. Trump's massive ego won't let him back out. Should be an interesting primary.

I agree. Trump has just become a sick Republican hybrid that feeds off of childish attacks and political tribalism. I have no doubt if polling continues to go south for him, he will run as an Independent out of spite. I voted for him twice, but conservatives folks in my daily reality in rural Ohio that still support him, are text book red necks...... Lottery tickets, cheap beer, cheap cigarettes and driving a rusty pickup truck.

[noteggs]

Personally, I think we have way too much time to vote. However here’s the hypocritical thing, Republicans have to get better at early voting to be more competitive because turnout only takes you so far since covid. Also, you can avoid late debate disasters (see Fetterman) and candidates dying before election as SB pointed out.

[XU_Lou]

To blame Trump for this dismal election is just plain lazy. I know that's what Biden and MSNBC would have you believe, but the numbers say otherwise.

1) As has been pointed out, Trump was not on the ballot.

2) According to exit polls, more people voted in opposition to Biden than Trump:

To express opposition to Biden: 39%
To express opposition to Trump: 35%

3) According to exit polls, Trump's favorable's are slightly higher than Biden's:

For each of the following, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion. If you don't know enough to have an opinion, you can say that too. Joe Biden:

Very favorable 19%
Somewhat favorable 23%
Somewhat unfavorable 12%
Very unfavorable 44%
Don't know enough to say 2%


For each of the following, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion. If you don't know enough to have an opinion, you can say that too. Donald Trump:

Very favorable 24%
Somewhat favorable 19%
Somewhat unfavorable 10%
Very unfavorable 46%
Don't know enough to say 2%

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2022/midterm-results/voter-analysis


4) Prior to the election yesterday, Trump led in election betting odds - by huge margins versus all other candidates: D & R

5) Trump has led in several 2024 polls versus Biden.



Some on this board need to check their personal biases and look at real data before spewing nonsense.

[XU_Lou]

More importantly, how did we go from several normally reliable polls saying that the Rep's had substantial leads in the various races as well as on generic ballots, an electorate that was supposedly angry as hell, Blacks and Hispanics trending towards Rep's, and a huge swing in white suburban women moving to Rep's this cycle?

And then you have these stats taken from the exit polling:

Wrong direction: 75%
Approve Congress: 27%
Approve Biden: 43%
No, Biden does not have mental capability to serve effectively as president: 58%
Most important issue - The economy & jobs: 47%
Economy - Not so good/Poor: 78%
Inflation - More because of Biden's policies: 54%
Inflation - Important factor: 93%
Disapprove Biden Economy: 61%
Disapprove Biden Energy: 55%
Disapprove Biden Border: 60%
Crime - Important factor: 85%
Opioids - Very/Somewhat concerned: 73%
More border security - Strongly/Somewhat favor: 77%

Again, the exit polls still indicated that R's had slightly better approval numbers than Dems:

For each of the following, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion. If you don't know enough to have an opinion, you can say that too. The Democrat Party:

Very favorable 19%
Somewhat favorable 24%
Somewhat unfavorable 16%
Very unfavorable 39%
Don't know enough to say 3%


For each of the following, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion. If you don't know enough to have an opinion, you can say that too. The Republican Party:

Very favorable 20%
Somewhat favorable 26%
Somewhat unfavorable 17%
Very unfavorable 34%
Don't know enough to say 3%

Did it really all come down to these issues: that America wants more government, that they don't understand that abortion is a states rights issue, that America is apparently a very racist country (despite all the illegals voting with their feet), and the belief that humans are causing climate change?

Government should do more to solve problems: 54%
Roe v Wade - Major impact on whether to vote: 39%
Roe v Wade - Dissatisfied/Angry : 60%
Racism - Very/Somewhat serious: 72%
Climate Change-Very/Somewhat concerned: 62%
Approve Biden Climate: 48%
Focus on expanding use of alternative energy, such as solar and wind: 54%

How can this all be? This doesn't make any sense? Did it really all come down to these phony meme's?


https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2022/midterm-results/voter-analysis

[paulxu]

I think there's a good chance the former president gets indicted for taking secret documents to Mar-a-Lago.

More importantly (probably how he looks at it) the RNC will no longer pay his legal bills if he announces a run for his old office.

[Xville]

To blame Trump for this dismal election is just plain lazy. I know that's what Biden and MSNBC would have you believe, but the numbers say otherwise.

1) As has been pointed out, Trump was not on the ballot.

2) According to exit polls, more people voted in opposition to Biden than Trump:

To express opposition to Biden: 39%
To express opposition to Trump: 35%

3) According to exit polls, Trump's favorable's are slightly higher than Biden's:

For each of the following, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion. If you don't know enough to have an opinion, you can say that too. Joe Biden:

Very favorable 19%
Somewhat favorable 23%
Somewhat unfavorable 12%
Very unfavorable 44%
Don't know enough to say 2%


For each of the following, please say if you have a favorable or unfavorable opinion. If you don't know enough to have an opinion, you can say that too. Donald Trump:

Very favorable 24%
Somewhat favorable 19%
Somewhat unfavorable 10%
Very unfavorable 46%
Don't know enough to say 2%

https://www.foxnews.com/elections/2022/midterm-results/voter-analysis


4) Prior to the election yesterday, Trump led in election betting odds - by huge margins versus all other candidates: D & R

5) Trump has led in several 2024 polls versus Biden.



Some on this board need to check their personal biases and look at real data before spewing nonsense.

lol that's so rich. You can look at "data" all you want...I'll look at the results of last night. The battleground areas where Trump endorsed a candidate...lost. It's amazing with the favorability percentage that Biden is at right now, that the dems still held on to the Senate. That's an indictment on Trump and his cronies. I know you love some Trump...you have the same personality, but reality isn't a thing for either of you.

You'd think by now you'd understand that polls are mostly crap.

It must be upsetting being wrong all the time. Where was that red tsunami?

Desantis or someone else that is sane in '24.

[Xville]

Personally, I think we have way too much time to vote. However here’s the hypocritical thing, Republicans have to get better at early voting to be more competitive because turnout only takes you so far since covid. Also, you can avoid late debate disasters (see Fetterman) and candidates dying before election as SB pointed out.

That's only because Oz was an equally terrible candidate and a carpetbagger.

[noteggs]

That's only because Oz was an equally terrible candidate and a carpetbagger.

Not sure I see it that way. Outside of your critique, have you examined Fetterman’s record or what he stands for? You being Independent, I thought you wouldn’t want a Bernie 2.0 in office. Not saying you personally support him, but how are we going to get back to the center? Sure Oz has his wort’s and is an underwhelming candidate, but his platform doesn’t seem to be far right?

[Xville]

Not sure I see it that way. Outside of your critique, have you examined Fetterman’s record or what he stands for? You being Independent, I thought you wouldn’t want a Bernie 2.0 in office. Not saying you personally support him, but how are we going to get back to the center? Sure Oz has his wort’s and is an underwhelming candidate, but his platform doesn’t seem to be far right?

Yeah Fetterman is terrible. He has literally accomplished nothing in his career, but what won him the nomination is being the "different" guy...same reason for why Trump was elected in 2016 over an equally terrible candidate in Hilary.

Oz was endorsed by Trump (bad idea), no political experience, has endorsed numerous products with claims that have turned out to be false (pretty much the worst thing you can do as a doctor.) etc etc., and not sure what you know about Pennsylvania but I have quite a bit of family there and they don't take kindly to fake such as him only having lived there for barely two years and knowing nothing about the state, and couldn't even decipher between pittsburgh and philadelphia sports teams. Not that that necessarily matters in the grand scheme of things, but what I'm saying is that he made it extremely difficult to trust him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't know who else the Dems have that could actually win a general election. As Republicans need to look in the mirror today regarding Trump, Dems need to do that as well with their leadership. Moderates/Independents still decide elections and I don't see anyone on the Dem side in leadership that fits the profile and is electable for the presidency right now.

I am someone who considers themselves a left leaning moderate. I voted for both democrats and republicans yesterday on my ballot.

I cannot imagine voting for Biden again, unless he happens to be running against Trump. I hope both parties find better candidates for '24. Who will the Dems pick though? Biden hopefully steps away.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah just what we need another 70ish year old running the country. Sorry to all the older folks on here, but just as there is a minimum age, I firmly believe there should be a max age as well for the Presidency. It is noted in numerous studies that at a certain age cognitive abilities start to dwindle.

Absolutely. That isn't being ageist, it is factual science.

[Xville]

Crazy lake may actually win now. Apologies to mor

[Masterofreality]

Hahaha

You're gonna lose the House and *maybe the Senate.
Cry more

[Strange Brew]

Crazy lake may actually win now. Apologies to mor

Hopefully, Hobbs is a corrupt loon.

[Masterofreality]

Hopefully, Hobbs is a corrupt loon.

Hobbs is the current Arizona Secretary of State. Guess what the SoS of Arizona does among other things? OVERSEE ELECTIONS!
Here we are 20 hours after the polls closed with a mess in Maricopa County that started yesterday. Hobbs refused to recuse herself from this process. She also rejected all overtures to debate!
How anybody out there could even think of voting for that empty dress is ludicrous to me.

[bobbiemcgee]

Lake is a whacko tRump election denier. Flunked basic math. Nobody outside AZ cares who wins. Nobody will debate the next election cycle. Doesn't change anybody's mins.

[bobbiemcgee]

You're gonna lose the House and *maybe the Senate.
Cry more

What happen to your tsunami? Kelly will win then back to Ga.

[xuphan]

I am someone who considers themselves a left leaning moderate. I voted for both democrats and republicans yesterday on my ballot.

I cannot imagine voting for Biden again, unless he happens to be running against Trump. I hope both parties find better candidates for '24. Who will the Dems pick though? Biden hopefully steps away.

100% agree. Good to see people like you still exist.

[xukeith]

I voted for Trump twice. He is radioactive in the political world. Based on last night's election results (the only honest poll), his days are over as any serious canditate for presidency.
America just gave him amd his endorsed candidates the boot.

Holding my breath now for a Florida Governor who led his state to completely kick ass and win by a ton.

[Masterofreality]

What happen to your tsunami? Kelly will win then back to Ga.

Laxalt= 50 Repub Sens then Herschel runs all over Warnock.
51.
Repubs control House.
Cry more

[Masterofreality]

By the way, this is where Bobbie lives:

Colorado voted yes to reintroducing wolves, and legalizing psychedelics. The perfect combination.

[D-West & PO-Z]

https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/heres-how-donald-trump-sabotaged-the-republican-midterms/

[bobbiemcgee]

By the way, this is where Bobbie lives:

Colorado voted yes to reintroducing wolves, and legalizing psychedelics. The perfect combination.

We like keeping things wild.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://nypost.com/2022/11/09/heres-how-donald-trump-sabotaged-the-republican-midterms/

tRump blames Melania for the OZ endorsement. Of course, couldn't be that he made a mistake. ALWAYS somebody else's fault.

[bobbiemcgee]

Laxalt= 50 Repub Sens then Herschel runs all over Warnock.
51.
Repubs control House.
Cry more

Warnock wins if tRump continues Herschel endorsement. I suspect he will drop him like a bad habit.

[xuwillie]

Warnock wins if tRump continues Herschel endorsement. I suspect he will drop him like a bad habit.

Dude you’re a moron

[Xville]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/clean-sweep-democrats-cash-in-boosting-pro-trump-candidates-republican-primaries

Solid strategy. Wake up lying lou.. people hate trump and his candidates, and no it’s not becausr he is going to “ drain the swamp.”

[Masterofreality]

What to watch the next two years-especially if the Senate does wind up 50/50 again.

Biden and Schumer have totally pissed off Joe Manchin, who is up for re-election in a 70% Red State.
They totally deceived him on “The Inflation Reduction Act” holding out the football to kick then pulling it back like Lucy to Charlie Brown. Now Idiot Biden comes out and shouts “We’re closing those coal mines down”. That is not popular in West Virginia.
Manchin won’t switch parties but “He won’t get fooled again”.
Gonna be interesting

[Masterofreality]

And, yeah. This from Nevada:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-election-results-should-be-known-election-night-2672754/

This counting of ballots 5 days after Election Day has to stop. I thought “early voting” was supposed to avoid that?
Talk about ripe for fraud!!

And this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/11/10/tuesday_takeaways_148450.html

[Xville]

Looked at the rest of the house races that have yet to be called, and its no guarantee that R take the house. They may but it is going to be a razor thin margin...think they get to 217 for sure, but after that there are quite a few tossups. Hopefully one of them goes their way.

In regards to the Senate, I don't think there is a chance in hell that Walker beats Warnock straight up. It will be 50-50 again.

[Xuperman]

And, yeah. This from Nevada:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-election-results-should-be-known-election-night-2672754/

This counting of ballots 5 days after Election Day has to stop. I thought “early voting” was supposed to avoid that?
Talk about ripe for fraud!!

And this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/11/10/tuesday_takeaways_148450.html

Man, the content of those 2 articles are deeply disturbing. To send out mail in ballots to every registered voter is complete insanity. With everyone bitching about the integrity of our elections, how is this possible? Nevada is a mess.

As far "political migration", it doesn't really work both ways. You don't hear of many Libs wanting to escape the conservative policies of Red States to live among their buddies in the "utopia" of Blue States and cities. Eventually traditional "battle ground" States in national elections will become a thing of the past.

If the current disaster created by progressive domestic policies was not enough to produce a massive Red Wave, something monumental will have to happen to reverse this toxic political tribalism.

[Xville]

Man, the content of those 2 articles are deeply disturbing. To send out mail in ballots to every registered voter is complete insanity. With everyone bitching about the integrity of our elections, how is this possible? Nevada is a mess.

As far "political migration", it doesn't really work both ways. You don't hear of many Libs wanting to escape the conservative policies of Red States to live among their buddies in the "utopia" of Blue States and cities. Eventually traditional "battle ground" States in national elections will become a thing of the past.

If the current disaster created by progressive domestic policies was not enough to produce a massive Red Wave, something monumental will have to happen to reverse this toxic political tribalism.

I really don't think its that difficult. Have good policies, don't do stupid shit like deny elections, build trust and not be an asshole. I like Desantis, but he can't do stupid temper tantrum shit like the shipping migrants to Martha's vineyard thing. I get his point, but to moderates, it looks like you are just being an asshole.

[STL_XUfan]

Looked at the rest of the house races that have yet to be called, and its no guarantee that R take the house. They may but it is going to be a razor thin margin...think they get to 217 for sure, but after that there are quite a few tossups. Hopefully one of them goes their way.

In regards to the Senate, I don't think there is a chance in hell that Walker beats Warnock straight up. It will be 50-50 again.

If the Republicans only win by one or two seats, there is no person in this world I would want to be less than Kevin McCarthy. Trying to keep 100% of that caucus together will be a nightmare, especially if members like MTG and Thomas Massie decided they want to try to overplay their hand.

I am also curious if DeSantis is secretly hoping that Arizona and Nevada both break for the Democrats so that the Georgia run off isn't as important. You know there is going to be pressure on him to campaign heavily for Walker if the control of the senate hangs in the balance, and I am not sure how much he wants to be connected to him as the race gets even more nationalized than it already was.

[Xuperman]

Looked at the rest of the house races that have yet to be called, and its no guarantee that R take the house. They may but it is going to be a razor thin margin...think they get to 217 for sure, but after that there are quite a few tossups. Hopefully one of them goes their way.

In regards to the Senate, I don't think there is a chance in hell that Walker beats Warnock straight up. It will be 50-50 again.

You do realize that Walker was only 35K votes behind and the Libertarian candidate received 81K. Not to mention that Kemp smoked Warnock's buddy Abrams? If Kemp decides to publically support Walker....hello 51.

[Xville]

You do realize that Walker was only 35K votes behind and the Libertarian candidate received 81K. Not to mention that Kemp smoked Warnock's buddy Abrams? If Kemp decides to publically support Walker....hello 51.

I do...However, last time, the republicans lost both run offs, and just believe that will happen again....Democrats will show up to make sure they don't lose the Senate...

Abrams loves losing elections...shes basically Beto O rourke in that regard

[Xuperman]

If the Republicans only win by one or two seats, there is no person in this world I would want to be less than Kevin McCarthy. Trying to keep 100% of that caucus together will be a nightmare, especially if members like MTG and Thomas Massie decided they want to try to overplay their hand.

I am also curious if DeSantis is secretly hoping that Arizona and Nevada both break for the Democrats so that the Georgia run off isn't as important. You know there is going to be pressure on him to campaign heavily for Walker if the control of the senate hangs in the balance, and I am not sure how much he wants to be connected to him as the race gets even more nationalized than it already was.

If Laxalt blows this lead...look out! He's got her by 17K with 83% counted. I'm guessing a large portion of the remaining ballots are those mail in ones. Had to be post marked on Tuesday....I am going to assume most of them are being counted as we speak.

[Xuperman]

I do...However, last time, the republicans lost both run offs, and just believe that will happen again....Democrats will show up to make sure they don't lose the Senate...

Abrams loves losing elections...shes basically Beto O rourke in that regard

You think there are a significant amount of Dems that didn't vote Tuesday?

Guess who those 81K Libertarians will vote for, IF anything close to that many show up on 12/6?

[Xville]

You think there are a significant amount of Dems that didn't vote Tuesday?

Guess who those 81K Libertarians will vote for, IF anything close to that many show up on 12/6?

Yeah of course....same thing happened in 2020. I could be wrong...its happened several times before...pretty much everyday according to my wife lol.

[noteggs]

If the Republicans only win by one or two seats, there is no person in this world I would want to be less than Kevin McCarthy. Trying to keep 100% of that caucus together will be a nightmare, especially if members like MTG and Thomas Massie decided they want to try to overplay their hand.


I get your point because a slim margin is not ideal. Think Pelosi did a lot with a somewhat similar margin with crazies on the left.

The multi billion dollar greenhouse reduction act, build back better, and a partisan J6 committee come to mind. Only goal of having a slim Republican controlled house should be stop the bleeding regardless of what it looks like.

[paulxu]

Washington State has been mailing mail-in ballots to every registered voters for years, with no difficulties.

In many places where the counting is slow, like Pennsylvania, it's because Republican legislatures passed laws that you can't start counting the ballots until election day. That causes an automatic delay when you have lots of them to count (obviously).

[MADXSTER]

Man, the content of those 2 articles are deeply disturbing. To send out mail in ballots to every registered voter is complete insanity. With everyone bitching about the integrity of our elections, how is this possible? Nevada is a mess.


I talked to a guy in line at Kroger(in Ohio) and he mentioned that his son who lives in Kentucky, and his wife who passed away three years ago were sent mail in ballots. Said he could've voted three times if he wanted.

[paulxu]

Another way to look at Georgia is that 2.1 million voted for Kemp, only 1.8 for Abrams.

When it got to the Senate race, those 2.1 million voters only gave Walker 1.9.
A lot of the must have split their ticket and voted for Warnock.

If Walker got straight ticket R's to vote, he would have won easily.

[paulxu]

I talked to a guy in line at Kroger(in Ohio) and he mentioned that his son who lives in Kentucky, and his wife who passed away three years ago were sent mail in ballots. Said he could've voted three times if he wanted.

Of course if he falsified the signatures upon return, and signed the affidavit that the signature was legal...he might get in trouble.
I suspect that keeps the rare cases of ballots to a dead person from being returned by a relative.

Sometimes people try it though:

“I was isolated last year in lockdown. I listened to too much propaganda and made a stupid mistake.”

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-government-and-politics-d34effeea6c341d6c44146931127caff

[paulxu]

Today's fun !


“For those many people that are being fed the fake narrative from the corrupt media that I am Angry about the Midterms, don’t believe it,” Trump said in a post. “I am not at all angry, did a great job (I wasn’t the one running!), and am very busy looking into the future. Remember, I am a ‘Stable Genius.’”

[Xuperman]

Another way to look at Georgia is that 2.1 million voted for Kemp, only 1.8 for Abrams.

When it got to the Senate race, those 2.1 million voters only gave Walker 1.9.
A lot of the must have split their ticket and voted for Warnock.

If Walker got straight ticket R's to vote, he would have won easily.

Hard to make sense of these numbers, but to suggest that a lot of Dem voters went with Kemp and Warnock doesn't add up.....complete opposites.

However, I can totally see a large number voting Abrams/Walker, just because of Georgia football fans.

Now that Kemp has 4 more years, he needs to take one for the team and campaign hard with Herschel.....and come on LIBERTARIANS!!!

If the Obamas get involved, it's a game changer.....Please stay away Trump.

[Xuperman]

Can someone post the reason the Nevada numbers are not moving?

[paulxu]

Hard to make sense of these numbers, but to suggest that a lot of Dem voters went with Kemp and Warnock doesn't add up.....complete opposites.

That's not what they suggest. They show that people who voted for Kemp did not all vote for Walker. If they had, he'd won easily.

[paulxu]

Can someone post the reason the Nevada numbers are not moving?

They report the mail-in ballots in groups, not one at a time.
They will have "ballot dumps" going on for a few days I think.

[Xuperman]

That's not what they suggest. They show that people who voted for Kemp did not all vote for Walker. If they had, he'd won easily.

So, should we assume that a large number of Kemp voters just did not participate in the Senate race?

[paulxu]

Some of them switched to Walker.

[bjf123]

Washington State has been mailing mail-in ballots to every registered voters for years, with no difficulties.

In many places where the counting is slow, like Pennsylvania, it's because Republican legislatures passed laws that you can't start counting the ballots until election day. That causes an automatic delay when you have lots of them to count (obviously).

Other states need to do what Ohio does. I think I’ve got this right. The Ohio Secretary of State was doing an interview about the process here. The absentee ballots, when received, are signature matched to the signature on file for the registered voter. If everything is in order, they are locked up in a room at each county board of elections that can only be accessed by two keys, one held by the election official from the Democratic Party and one held by the official from the Republican Party. When the polls close on Election Day, they are the first ballots counted by running through the scanners at each location. He said one of the counties even has a pneumatic press that the ballots are put under to smooth out the folds from being mailed so they’ll run through the scanners more efficiently.

This gets the vast majority of the mail in, qualified ballots, counted on election night. Any that arrived too late for that process will ultimately be counted and included in the official count that’s reported later.


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[X-band '01]

And, yeah. This from Nevada:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-election-results-should-be-known-election-night-2672754/

This counting of ballots 5 days after Election Day has to stop. I thought “early voting” was supposed to avoid that?
Talk about ripe for fraud!!

And this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/11/10/tuesday_takeaways_148450.html

If a ballot just has to be postmarked by election day, it might take 2-5 days for it to arrive at the Board of Elections. We'd be saying the same thing two decades earlier when Republicans were dominating absentee/mail-in voting (albeit on a smaller scale).

I'm pretty sure Arizona and Nevada are done with in-person ballout counts, so all the outstanding ballots at this point are going to be mail-in ballots. That's why their races aren't being called yet. I think the chances are good for Mark Kelly/Katie Hobbs in Arizona now, but I don't think there are going to be enough votes outstanding for Cortez-Masto to catch up to Laxalt in their Senate race.

[STL_XUfan]

Twitter’s new verification system is slowly imploding, but it is early enough it is just hilarious and not quite dangerous yet. https://twitter.com/dieworkwear/status/1590831852658790400?s=46&t=3mLOrgyNC2Loajs0B5wwEw

[Strange Brew]

If a ballot just has to be postmarked by election day, it might take 2-5 days for it to arrive at the Board of Elections. We'd be saying the same thing two decades earlier when Republicans were dominating absentee/mail-in voting (albeit on a smaller scale).

I'm pretty sure Arizona and Nevada are done with in-person ballout counts, so all the outstanding ballots at this point are going to be mail-in ballots. That's why their races aren't being called yet. I think the chances are good for Mark Kelly/Katie Hobbs in Arizona now, but I don't think there are going to be enough votes outstanding for Cortez-Masto to catch up to Laxalt in their Senate race.

I have no idea on AZ. From what I'm reading it could break hard the other way as most of the AZ ballots are day of "mail ins" because the voting machines had issues there (again).

[noteggs]

And, yeah. This from Nevada:

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/victor-joecks/victor-joecks-election-results-should-be-known-election-night-2672754/

This counting of ballots 5 days after Election Day has to stop. I thought “early voting” was supposed to avoid that?
Talk about ripe for fraud!!

And this: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/11/10/tuesday_takeaways_148450.html

Glad Victor agrees me and my post on early voting. Actually his article is spot on.

[Xuperman]

Cortez-Masto closing quickly on Laxalt.....nearly cutting yesterday's lead in half. A mere 9K votes separate the two with 90% in.

Stick a fork in Masters.

Trump has poisoned this election and the party. No doubt the Republican establishment is done playing silly games with this guy and there will be fireworks of open criticism of him when the smoke clears....and that's a good thing. HOWEVER, it's going to really piss off the hard core supporters in his base and essentially split the party.

Trump has officially lost the ability to win anything going forward. If this is the case, is there any chance he shows any dignity? Of course not. He'll punch back like always and create chaos like always. One thing for sure, his absurd ego will not allow him to do what's best for the party. The horror is, I think he goes on a 2 year rampage and runs as a Independent. Total shitshow.

[Xuperman]

On the bright side, only 7 more seats needed to EEK OUT House control and send Hagatha Pelosi packing.

Total shitshow.

[paulxu]

Is EEK OUT the same thing as a tsunami?

[Xuperman]

Is EEK OUT the same thing as a tsunami?

No....squirt gun.

[Strange Brew]

Cortez-Masto closing quickly on Laxalt.....nearly cutting yesterday's lead in half. A mere 9K votes separate the two with 90% in.

Stick a fork in Masters.

Trump has poisoned this election and the party. No doubt the Republican establishment is done playing silly games with this guy and there will be fireworks of open criticism of him when the smoke clears....and that's a good thing. HOWEVER, it's going to really piss off the hard core supporters in his base and essentially split the party.

Trump has officially lost the ability to win anything going forward. If this is the case, is there any chance he shows any dignity? Of course not. He'll punch back like always and create chaos like always. One thing for sure, his absurd ego will not allow him to do what's best for the party. The horror is, I think he goes on a 2 year rampage and runs as a Independent. Total shitshow.

Announce he’s backing DeSantis and then become Ambassador to Russia once Ron is elected. :)

[Xuperman]

Announce he’s backing DeSantis and then become Ambassador to Russia once Ron is elected. :)

And refuses to stay at the Embassy.....insists on staying at his favorite hotel with all the "amenities". ;-)

[Xville]

Looks like nutjob Lake may in fact lose...still close enough that she could make a comeback with 82% in but down 27k right now.

I know hobbs isn't good either but less election deniers the better.

[Xuperman]

Cortez-Masto gained over 8K votes on Laxalt in Vegas/Reno counties alone yesterday. He was only able to counter with 1K from rural counties. Pretty clear where this ends up.

[paulxu]

Looks like nutjob Lake may in fact lose...still close enough that she could make a comeback with 82% in but down 27k right now.

I know hobbs isn't good either but less election deniers the better.

May be time for the Cyber Ninjas ?

[Xville]

Cortez-Masto gained over 8K votes on Laxalt in Vegas/Reno counties alone yesterday. He was only able to counter with 1K from rural counties. Pretty clear where this ends up.

Seems like basically anyone that was a trump supporter/election denier has lost or is going to lose. That's probably a good thing in the long run.

[MADXSTER]

Can someone explain to me why Biden is going after Twitter.

[Xuperman]

Stefanik publicly endorses Trump for POTUS in '24. This is intentional political suicide....shear madness.

[Strange Brew]

Looks like nutjob Lake may in fact lose...still close enough that she could make a comeback with 82% in but down 27k right now.

I know hobbs isn't good either but less election deniers the better.

Neither is a Sec of State running her own election for Gov....

[Strange Brew]

Can someone explain to me why Biden is going after Twitter.

He can't control it anymore.

[Strange Brew]

And refuses to stay at the Embassy.....insists on staying at his favorite hotel with all the "amenities". ;-)

Well of course. Maybe the Clinton camp can come up with another video that doesn't exist and a fake dossier.

[noteggs]

I know many have joked about democracy surviving after Tuesdays election, but both Joe and Kamala said it out loud and meant it.

So is this going to be a thing now? The only way democracy doesn’t end is when the democrats show up favorably in elections? Good to know.

[paulxu]

The results of this election aren't even in, and people are talking about 2024.

Sure wish we could take a break for a few months at least.

[STL_XUfan]

The results of this election aren't even in, and people are talking about 2024.

Sure wish we could take a break for a few months at least.

Says a man who probably looks to see if Xavier is in the way too early bracketology the day after the tournament ends.

[xuphan]

On the bright side, only 7 more seats needed to EEK OUT House control and send Hagatha Pelosi packing.

Total shitshow.

Nancy Pelosi is still in congress? She’s been there for what 10 years now? Looking at it now, McConnell has been in congress since 1985 and Shumer since 1999. Can’t the American people actually do something together for once and make term limits for these politicians. Why on Earth do people think it’s beneficial to have these career politicians in office is beyond me.

[Smails]

He can't control it anymore.

Exactly..did you hear his semi-coherent (which is about as good as it gets for him) response to whether or not Elon Musk is a threat to our national security? Laughable

[X-band '01]

Nancy Pelosi is still in congress? She’s been there for what 10 years now? Looking at it now, McConnell has been in congress since 1985 and Shumer since 1999. Can’t the American people actually do something together for once and make term limits for these politicians. Why on Earth do people think it’s beneficial to have these career politicians in office is beyond me.

Chuck Grassley has been in the Senate almost as long as I've been alive. Then again, weren't Robert Byrd and Strom Thurmond in the Senate for half a century?

[bobbiemcgee]

Fetterman got 70% of the young vote. Guess some of you need to talk to your kids lol.

[X-band '01]

Phil Knight will have to wait another year to try to flip the governor's seat in Oregon. Kotek now being projected the winner.

[Strange Brew]

Nancy Pelosi is still in congress? She’s been there for what 10 years now? Looking at it now, McConnell has been in congress since 1985 and Shumer since 1999. Can’t the American people actually do something together for once and make term limits for these politicians. Why on Earth do people think it’s beneficial to have these career politicians in office is beyond me.

Thank you however the people voting will never vote to limit their personal power, prestige and wealth opportunities. So outside of an Article 5 Convention....No.

[Strange Brew]

Exactly..did you hear his semi-coherent (which is about as good as it gets for him) response to whether or not Elon Musk is a threat to our national security? Laughable

Yes, and I loved he instantly fact-checked Routers on their Tesla "exclusive" hit piece with one word.

I don't trust the guy really but he's good for free speech so Libertarian me likes this.

[Strange Brew]

Fetterman got 70% of the young vote. Guess some of you need to talk to your kids lol.

As Weird Al put it. "Young, dumb and ugly". :)

[X-band '01]

It really is looking like the Democrats might have a worst-case scenario of a 50-50 Senate race now. Kelly's been declared the winner in Arizona and Laxalt's lead is now under 1000 votes with about 55,000 left to count (most of which are in Vegas/Clark County).

[bobbiemcgee]

It really is looking like the Democrats might have a worst-case scenario of a 50-50 Senate race now. Kelly's been declared the winner in Arizona and Laxalt's lead is now under 1000 votes with about 55,000 left to count (most of which are in Vegas/Clark County).

Huh? Why would it be a "worst case scenario" when Harris still has the tiebreaker? Also, if Laxalt and Herschel loses, it's 51-49

[Strange Brew]

It really is looking like the Democrats might have a worst-case scenario of a 50-50 Senate race now. Kelly's been declared the winner in Arizona and Laxalt's lead is now under 1000 votes with about 55,000 left to count (most of which are in Vegas/Clark County).

Things that make you go hmm (C&C Music Factory)

[bobbiemcgee]

Here's some irony for 'ya:

1. Mitch and tRump stack the SCOTUS.
2. SCOTUS enrage Dems with the Dobbs decision before the midterms and approval falls to 25%.
3. Dobbs becomes huge issue for Dems and Independents vote in the midterms.
4. Turns out, Mitch and tRump closed the deal for the Dems.

[bobbiemcgee]

50-49!!

[paulxu]

I'm crying as predicted...from laughing so hard.

[Masterofreality]

Is EEK OUT the same thing as a tsunami?

You lost the House.
Cry more

[X-band '01]

It will eventually be officially a Republican house, but it's going to be a lot slimmer majority than what the opposing party typically enjoys after a midterm.

What would really be funny is if all the Democrats and a few moderate Republicans nominated Liz Cheney to be the next Speaker of the House. It'll never happen, but you don't even have to be an official member of the House to be Speaker.