Politics Thread

[Xville]

Are you saying that those who voted for Trump in 2016 and 2020 are extremists?

No… I believe that those who would vote for him now are though

[Strange Brew]

No… I believe that those who would vote for him now are though

How do you feel about those that would vote for Biden now?

[XU_Lou]

How? Because they vote for trump who is a threat, and fine a threat to a constitutional republic.


How so?

I guess he decided to dodge this one....

[Xville]

How do you feel about those that would vote for Biden now?

Stupid

[Smails]

Calling for actual or metaphorical violence? I'm old enough to remember D's telling supporters to get in the face of/assault political opponents. Neither is right and it's interesting you focus on one side only. It could be just as easily said the Left is a threat to the Republic but that is not productive.

It's called selective outrage. Where was all of this 'threat to democracy' vomit when a Bernie Sanders supporter literally opened fire on a group of Republicans, shooting 5 and almost killing Steve Scalise? Bueller....anyone??

Democrats got behind the BLM movement while towns burned, police were murdered and parts of entire cities were taken over and declared 'autonomous zones'. The VICE PRESIDENT supported a fund to get BLM rioters out of jail for God's sake! Law and order...eh?

Democrats don't dare take on the lawlessness that is taking place on our southern borders for fear of offending the base. And our President has the nerve to get up on the pulpit and lecture the American people on how Republicans don't respect the rule of law? Get the fuck out of here. Hypocritical cowards..all of them.

[Xville]

It's called selective outrage. Where was all of this 'threat to democracy' vomit when a Bernie Sanders supporter literally opened fire on a group of Republicans, shooting 5 and almost killing Steve Scalise? Bueller....anyone??

Democrats got behind the BLM movement while towns burned, police were murdered and parts of entire cities were taken over and declared 'autonomous zones'. The VICE PRESIDENT supported a fund to get BLM rioters out of jail for God's sake! Law and order...eh?

Democrats don't dare take on the lawlessness that is taking place on our southern borders for fear of offending the base. And our President has the nerve to get up on the pulpit and lecture the American people on how Republicans don't respect the rule of law? Get the fuck out of here. Hypocritical cowards..all of them.

The thing is, he didn’t say all republicans, he said trump and his minions. Major difference

[Xville]

How so?

If you don’t think trump is a threat to America if he was back in a position of power, I have no idea what to tell you nor is it worth going into any kind of discourse with you on it.

However, I guess it doesn’t matter because he doesn’t have a chance in hell of ever winning again.

[UCGRAD4X]

So Sleepy Joe condemns those who claim the election was stolen by claiming the next election might be stolen.

I wonder where his evidence is for that.

[paulxu]

So Sleepy Joe condemns those who claim the election was stolen by claiming the next election might be stolen.

I wonder where his evidence is for that.

State and local officials being elected who don't believe the last election results?
Who have broken into and shared election machine data?
Who signed up as "alternate electors"?
Who don't believe the results of current elections when the lose?
Who processed 60 bogus lawsuits trying to overturn what was acknowledged as a fair election?
Who were willing to storm our Capitol and disrupt the transfer of power between administrations?
Who still to this day the majority of one party doesn't believe the results of the last election?

Hell, I don't know where you might come up with that idea.

[XU_Lou]

The thing is, he didn’t say all republicans, he said trump and his minions. Major difference

Really? Besides you and the sexual predators at the Lincoln Project, how many Republicans didn't vote for Trump? What's the delta between those two groups?

[Xville]

Really? Besides you and the sexual predators at the Lincoln Project, how many Republicans didn't vote for Trump?

Reading comprehension… I said earlier ones that would vote for him now. He hadn’t gone full psycho until he had his two year old temper tantrum when he lost.

[XU_Lou]

Reading comprehension… I said earlier ones that would vote for him now. He hadn’t gone full psycho until he had his two year old temper tantrum when he lost.

Again, where are you getting your information? Maybe you ought to look at some polls before pulling shit out of your ass that makes you look stupid...

Stay in your lane, bro...

[Xville]

Again, where are you getting your information? Maybe you ought to look at some polls before pulling shit out of your ass that makes you look stupid...

Stay in your lane, bro...

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html

Cool story bro

And trust me no one looks more continually stupid on this forum than yourself.

[Strange Brew]

Stupid

Fair, are they a threat in your mind?

[Strange Brew]

If you don’t think trump is a threat to America if he was back in a position of power, I have no idea what to tell you nor is it worth going into any kind of discourse with you on it.

However, I guess it doesn’t matter because he doesn’t have a chance in hell of ever winning again.

First para is emotion.

Second, I agree with.

[Strange Brew]

The thing is, he didn’t say all republicans, he said trump and his minions. Major difference

Not really.

Republicans aren’t the same as 40, 30 or 20 years ago.

Frankly, I found last night to be humorous as it resembled a South Park episode.

[XU_Lou]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html

Cool story bro

And trust me no one looks more continually stupid on this forum than yourself.

Wait, you told me you didn't read the NYT - so apparently you went fishing.

Reality, bro....: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/2024/

[Strange Brew]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/12/us/politics/trump-approval-polling-2024.html

Cool story bro

And trust me no one looks more continually stupid on this forum than yourself.

Im not an R and I’m ready to leave Trump behind. However it’s fun to watch the Left fire all their guns in the wrong direction.

[Xville]

Wait, you told me you didn't read the NYT - so apparently you went fishing.

Reality, bro....: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/2024/

Cool story bro. If you want to keep defending a narcissistic psychopath, be my guest. You two seem like two peas in a pod.

And just because real clear politics (hilarious you call it reality since you agree with it, shocking!) says something doesn’t make it true, just as much as a poll quoted in The NY Times doesn’t.

[Xville]

Not really.

Republicans aren’t the same as 40, 30 or 20 years ago.

Frankly, I found last night to be humorous as it resembled a South Park episode.

Completely disagree.. only difference is trump in my opinion. Once he’s gone, which I think he will be sooner rather than later… “normalcy” will prevail

[noteggs]

Completely disagree.. only difference is trump in my opinion. Once he’s gone, which I think he will be sooner rather than later… “normalcy” will prevail

Curious, what type of normalcy? Allowing the Democrats and MSM to label any other candidates as Homophobic, Xenophobic, and racist while Republicans take it? I can see that happening. Welcome to the old days…

No argument on Trump as he has to go.

[XU_Lou]

Cool story bro. If you want to keep defending a narcissistic psychopath, be my guest. You two seem like two peas in a pod.

And just because real clear politics (hilarious you call it reality since you agree with it, shocking!) says something doesn’t make it true, just as much as a poll quoted in The NY Times doesn’t.

triggered much?

you obviously didn't look at it, or even know what RCP is all about (what, is the data to raw for you to understand?). Again, you think so highly of yourself that you make no effort to educate yourself on anything, and instead continue to make shit up as your form of debate.

[Caf]

Completely disagree.. only difference is trump in my opinion. Once he’s gone, which I think he will be sooner rather than later… “normalcy” will prevail

To further this point, the major difference between Trump and Biden supporters is no one likes Biden. Trump supporters LOVE Trump. I have yet to meet someone who passionately supports Biden. If Michelle Obama tweeted she wants to be the nominee in 24 he’d step aside. That said all democrats passionately hate Trump. I think the same can be said of republicans towards all members of the administration though.

The hate of the other party leader is mutual, the support is different.

[Xville]

Curious, what type of normalcy? Allowing the Democrats and MSM to label any other candidates as Homophobic, Xenophobic, and racist while Republicans take it? I can see that happening. Welcome to the old days…

No argument on Trump as he has to go.

By “normalcy” I mean back to a normal Republican Party.. the one I actually like. I don’t care anything about the democrats

[Xville]

triggered much?

you obviously didn't look at it, or even know what RCP is all about (what, is the data to raw for you to understand?). Again, you think so highly of yourself that you make no effort to educate yourself on anything, and instead continue to make shit up as your form of debate.

Make shit up yet just linked something you disagree with. Ah the xu lou calling card “educate yourself.” Hilarious. You think educating yourself is sitting on your computer googling things that you agree with and then linking the story to this site. Genius! You do something that a 6 year old can do! Congrats.

So by reality you also believe that Biden is up by 6 points like the wsj said? Pretty pathetic your boy is behind a guy that is barely breathing and probably getting the weekend at Bernie’s treatment.

[XU_Lou]

Make shit up yet just linked something you disagree with. Ah the xu lou calling card “educate yourself.” Hilarious. You think educating yourself is sitting on your computer googling things that you agree with and then linking the story to this site. Genius! You do something that a 6 year old can do! Congrats

That was almost as coherent as the average Biden speech. Maybe you should take a nap, pop a few Prevagens, and then come back here and write something that actually makes sense we could have a conversation.

[Xville]

That was almost as coherent as the average Biden speech. Maybe you should take a nap, pop a few Prevagens, and then come back here and write something that actually makes sense we could have a conversation.

Cool story bro

[Caf]

That was almost as coherent as the average Biden speech. Maybe you should take a nap, pop a few Prevagens, and then come back here and write something that actually makes sense we could have a conversation.

Incoherent like….Hitler? You think it’s time to flee the country? He is the second most evil man in history after all

[XU_Lou]

Make shit up yet just linked something you disagree with. Ah the xu lou calling card “educate yourself.” Hilarious. You think educating yourself is sitting on your computer googling things that you agree with and then linking the story to this site. Genius! You do something that a 6 year old can do! Congrats.

So by reality you also believe that Biden is up by 6 points like the wsj said? Pretty pathetic your boy is behind a guy that is barely breathing and probably getting the weekend at Bernie’s treatment.

Oh, I see you finally looked at that link after all (post edit). So, you only looked at the first result. Woohoo!! What, do you have a hard time processing more than one number at a time? It's that damn raw data thingy you always get hung-up on.

If you could process more than 5 seconds worth of text, I'm sure you would've seen that Trump leads in several recent national polls.

Moreover, as I hope you're aware, that the presidential election is really 50 states elections. So if you would've taken a few more seconds to review the most recent results, you would've seen that Trump is ahead in 3 key battleground states: GA, PA, OH, +5, +5, +14.

So, to say that Trump losing in 2024 is a 100% forgone conclusion, is incredibly stupid and lazy. That's par for the course, though, right?

So again, please tell me, besides you and the pedophiles at the Lincoln Project, how many Republicans won't be voting for Trump? Looks like most. So what this means, in the end, is that you're in total agreement with the hair sniffer that "all" Republicans are "extremists". This doesn't surprise me in the least.

[Xuperman]

It's called selective outrage. Where was all of this 'threat to democracy' vomit when a Bernie Sanders supporter literally opened fire on a group of Republicans, shooting 5 and almost killing Steve Scalise? Bueller....anyone??

Democrats got behind the BLM movement while towns burned, police were murdered and parts of entire cities were taken over and declared 'autonomous zones'. The VICE PRESIDENT supported a fund to get BLM rioters out of jail for God's sake! Law and order...eh?

Democrats don't dare take on the lawlessness that is taking place on our southern borders for fear of offending the base. And our President has the nerve to get up on the pulpit and lecture the American people on how Republicans don't respect the rule of law? Get the fuck out of here. Hypocritical cowards..all of them.

Absolutely spot on and THE most sane post in this tread for some time.

We have rampant insanity in ALL aspects of the Democratic Party and like magic, the complicit MSM owns the narrative that the "America First" voters are the radical ones.

This country has lost it's F'ing mind. Anyone that votes Dem has ownership in the disaster that is unfolding.

[Strange Brew]

Incoherent like….Hitler? You think it’s time to flee the country? He is the second most evil man in history after all

Nobody said that you twit.

[Strange Brew]

Completely disagree.. only difference is trump in my opinion. Once he’s gone, which I think he will be sooner rather than later… “normalcy” will prevail

You are a total ass (in the equine sense)

[Xville]

Oh, I see you finally looked at that link after all (post edit). So, you only looked at the first result. Woohoo!! What, do you have a hard time processing more than one number at a time? It's that damn raw data thingy you always get hung-up on.

If you could process more than 5 seconds worth of text, I'm sure you would've seen that Trump leads in several recent national polls.

Moreover, as I hope you're aware, that the presidential election is really 50 states elections. So if you would've taken a few more seconds to review the most recent results, you would've seen that Trump is ahead in 3 key battleground states: GA, PA, OH, +5, +5, +14.

So, to say that Trump losing in 2024 is a 100% forgone conclusion, is incredibly stupid and lazy. That's par for the course, though, right?

So again, please tell me, besides you and the pedophiles at the Lincoln Project, how many Republicans won't be voting for Trump? Looks like most. So what this means, in the end, is that you're in total agreement with the hair sniffer that "all" Republicans are "extremists". This doesn't surprise me in the least.

Second to last sentence, he didn’t say that. Of course you would lie, shocking. In terms of the “polling” you really should get out of your basement and understand what is really going on in the rest of the world. You do realize he got crushed two years ago, right? You realize he lost a significant amount of voters over the last two years that aren’t sheep like yourself, right? Maybe this will help you since you just love links https://www.abc15.com/news/state/maps-show-arizona-republicans-who-rejected-donald-trump-in-november-2020-election?_amp=true

If you think that’s an outlier, you’re more of a mindless sheep than I thought.

Lazy lol. You are the epitome of lazy. You think up your opinion, google your opinion and then link stories to it on here. You’re a mindless sheep .

[Xville]

You are a total ass (in the equine sense)

If you mean I’m democrat, I’m not. I have mentioned that several times on here. I’m a registered independent that agree with most economical/financial party lines of republicans and with some social platforms of the democrats. Makes it hard to vote but I usually vote Republican because I care about the economy more than anything else when it comes to politics. However, I don’t like narcissistic misogynistic assholes that throw temper tantrums when they lose, so can’t ever vote for trump again.

[XU_Lou]

If you mean I’m democrat, I’m not. I have mentioned that several times on here. I’m a registered independent that agree with most economical/financial party lines of republicans and with some social platforms of the democrats. Makes it hard to vote but I usually vote Republican because I care about the economy more than anything else when it comes to politics. However, I don’t like narcissistic misogynistic assholes that throw temper tantrums when they lose, so can’t ever vote for trump again.

OMG, you mean just like you, right? Like whenever you lose an argument on this board! You just admitted that you're exactly like Trump. This is hilarious!


Second to last sentence, he didn’t say that.

NO SHIT..... I didn't say Biden said that - If you could follow the simple sequence of a series of points, you would understand that I meant YOU "effectively" said that. Nice try at obfuscation though - did you learn that tactic from the "PaulXU School of Debate"?


I know we're at the point in the conversation where you start lashing out with lies and more childishness....

So go ahead Ville, have at it!!! :pointandlaugh:

[Xville]

OMG, you mean just like you, right? Like whenever you lose an argument on this board! You just admitted that you're exactly like Trump. This is hilarious!



NO SHIT..... I didn't say Biden said that - If you could follow the simple sequence of a series of points, you would understand that I meant YOU "effectively" said that. Nice try at obfuscation though - did you learn that tactic from the "PaulXU School of Debate"?


I know we're at the point in the conversation where you start lashing out with lies and more childishness....

So go ahead Ville, have at it!!! :pointandlaugh:

Hmm no mention of the link I posted that clearly states what happened in 2020 and completely details your nonsensical argument that only me and Lincoln project members didn’t vote for trump, interesting. No mention of my times article which essentially states the same thing..hmm weird. You put blinders on with anything you disagree with and then declare yourself some kind of winner—-sounds like trump lol. Lou, you’re wrong… again. Lol.

I know you worship at the altar of trump but you really should get off your knees and enjoy life outside of the confines of your parents basement.

[XU_Lou]

Hmm no mention of the link I posted that clearly states what happened in 2020 and completely details your nonsensical argument that only me and Lincoln project members didn’t vote for trump, interesting. Lou, you’re wrong… again. Lol.

I know you worship at the altar of trump but you really should get off your knees and enjoy life outside of the confines of your parents basement.

Thanks for demonstrating my point above. We're clearly at that point where you will literally say anything. But seriously, nice attempt at trying to change the original crux of this debate...

[Xville]

Thanks for demonstrating my point above. We're clearly at that point where you will literally say anything. But seriously, nice attempt at trying to change the original point of this debate...

Your original point in which you called Biden, hitler? That point?

Or was it your point in which you tried to proclaim that only me and Lincoln project “pedophiles” republicans were the only pubs that didn’t or wouldn’t vote for trump? I presented that with clear examples of why you were wrong.

Or was it your point that Biden should be impeached? That point with no sensical argument or reason attached to it other than you disagree with him?

[XU_Lou]

Your original point in which you called Biden, hitler? That point?

Or was it your point in which you tried to proclaim that only me and Lincoln project “pedophiles” republicans were the only pubs that didn’t or wouldn’t vote for trump? I presented that with clear examples of why you were wrong.

Or was it your point that Biden should be impeached? That point with no sensical argument or reason attached to it other than you disagree with him?

It's funny how you skipped over the most obvious choice. Of you saying that Trump had no chance of winning 2024. That Biden was referring to only a small subset of the Republican party.

Let me spell this out so that your 3rd grade brain can understand it:

a) The polls clearly show - right now - that Trump is the absolute favorite to win the 2024 nomination - which means that the number of people that Biden called semi-fascists is not a small number. So, in effect, he just referred to a majority of Republicans as semi-fascists and threats to Democracy. You, on the other hand, implied that the number was small because you were obviously ignorant of the fact that he is actually leading all other contenders at this point.

b) There are several national and state polls showing that Trump is leading Biden in the election, which flies in the face of your assertion that he has no chance of being president in 2024 - which you've stated multiple times now. For you to make a conclusion like that, with evidence to the contrary, is lazy and factually silly.

So go ahead Ville, by all means, keep trying to lie yourself out of this one.

[Caf]

The second coming of Adolph Hitler spoke tonight.

What an absolutely disgusting human being.

I wonder what all the people who whine about Trump's mean Tweets will have to say....

For Brew. You’re better than name calling

[Xville]

It's funny how you skipped over the most obvious choice. Of you saying that Trump had no chance of winning 2024. That Biden was referring to only a small subset of the Republican party.

Let me spell this out so that your 3rd grade brain can understand it:

a) The polls clearly show - right now - that Trump is the absolute favorite to win the 2024 nomination - which means that the number of people that Biden called semi-fascists is not a small number. So, in effect, he just referred to a majority of Republicans as semi-fascists and threats to Democracy. You, on the other hand, implied that the number was small because you were obviously ignorant of the fact that he is actually leading all other contenders at this point.

b) There are several national and state polls showing that Trump is leading Biden in the election, which flies in the face of your assertion that he has no chance of being president in 2024 - which you've stated multiple times now. For you to make a conclusion like that, with evidence to the contrary, is lazy and factually silly.

So go ahead Ville, by all means, keep trying to lie yourself out of this one.

Oh so now it’s a majority? Backpedaling are we? What happened to all? Is that because you were wrong.. again? Where do you get a majority? Because of a few polls?

Would you like to backtrack on your hitler comment? Would you like to dig in your heels on the Biden impeachment statement that was based on nothing? Those were your original points or did you conveniently forget those? You are an attention seeking excuse… much like your boy, trump.

Here’s reality for you… trump got his butt whooped against a guy in 2020 that is barely alive. He’s lost even more support over the last two years as pointed out. You want to go ahead and point to a few polls to make yourself feel better, knock yourself out. Anyone with half a brain realizes that trumps support has not gotten bigger since 2020 and many have left —-see my two links and you can google for yourself and see many that point to the same conclusion.

[paulxu]

Where is Devin Nunes?

https://twitter.com/ChrisA0213/status/1565024895083450373

[XU_Lou]

Oh so now it’s a majority? Backpedaling are we? What happened to all? Is that because you were wrong.. again? Where do you get a majority? Because of a few polls?

Would you like to backtrack on your hitler comment? Would you like to dig in your heels on the Biden impeachment statement that was based on nothing? Those were your original points or did you conveniently forget those? You are an attention seeking excuse… much like your boy, trump.

Here’s reality for you… trump got his butt whooped against a guy in 2020 that is barely alive. He’s lost even more support over the last two years as pointed out. You want to go ahead and point to a few polls to make yourself feel better, knock yourself out. Anyone with half a brain realizes that trumps support has not gotten bigger since 2020 and many have left —-see my two links and you can google for yourself and see many that point to the same conclusion.

Cool story bro....

[Xville]

Cool story bro....

Sweet. Glad you acknowledge you’re a hack that can’t think for himself. Can’t answer to your ridiculous hitler comment or impeachment comment.

[XU_Lou]

Sweet. Glad you acknowledge you’re a hack that can’t think for himself. Can’t answer to your ridiculous hitler comment or impeachment comment.

Cool story bro....

[Xville]

You’re in good company lou.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-compared-153250701.html

Pretty awesome trivializing nazis and what they did.

[Xville]

Hmm wonder why that is?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-demonizes-maga-republicans-dems-spent-million-pro-trump-candidates-win-primaries

[Strange Brew]

Sweet. Glad you acknowledge you’re a hack that can’t think for himself. Can’t answer to your ridiculous hitler comment or impeachment comment.

Seriously? Take a couple of plays off Ville.

[xuphan]

You’re in good company lou.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rep-marjorie-taylor-greene-compared-153250701.html

Pretty awesome trivializing nazis and what they did.

Can you imagine if one of us did/said this about someone else we worked with? We would be fired on the spot. Amazing how these politicians continue to get elected and are not held accountable for their actions. Where is the accountability in Congress? It seems ethics and standards of practice training is needed in Congress as these people forget that they are representing the country and the American people. I have not liked the Biden presidency and hope he is not re-elected, but to compare him to Hitler is insulting to the people who lived/were harmed by the Nazi regime. He deserves criticism for his policies but this should not be tolerated at any level and she should lose her job as a result of it.

[XU_Lou]

This is why what Biden said the other night (and everyone who agreed with him) is so incredibly disgusting, irresponsible and dangerous:


Roland Martin said this on MSNBC:

“We are at war with these people. These folks are evil. They have allowed evil into their house with Donald Trump.”

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1566101608144011267?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566101608144011267%7Ctwgr% 5Efca1d6782b88e528735caef71f9f950cc44fb13f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com %2F%3Fid%3D63317


Tiffany Cross on MSNBC:

"Obviously Republicans are, I think, the biggest threat to democracy. We don't separate right-wing extremists and Republican Party anymore."

“These days it feels like we’re not just that the brink of Civil War, but that one has already begun.”

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1566119675758624771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566119675758624771%7Ctwgr% 5Efca1d6782b88e528735caef71f9f950cc44fb13f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com %2F%3Fid%3D63317

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1566404533785448448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566404533785448448%7Ctwgr% 5Efca1d6782b88e528735caef71f9f950cc44fb13f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com %2F%3Fid%3D63317


Michael Beschloss on MSNBC:

Trump "is basically saying to Americans that 'there should be Civil War; there should be violence, in case I get indicted.' Nothing like that ever in American history."

[Xville]

This is why what Biden said the other night (and everyone who agreed with him) is so incredibly disgusting, irresponsible and dangerous:


Roland Martin said this on MSNBC:

“We are at war with these people. These folks are evil. They have allowed evil into their house with Donald Trump.”

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1566101608144011267?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566101608144011267%7Ctwgr% 5Efca1d6782b88e528735caef71f9f950cc44fb13f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com %2F%3Fid%3D63317


Tiffany Cross on MSNBC:

"Obviously Republicans are, I think, the biggest threat to democracy. We don't separate right-wing extremists and Republican Party anymore."

“These days it feels like we’re not just that the brink of Civil War, but that one has already begun.”

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1566119675758624771?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566119675758624771%7Ctwgr% 5Efca1d6782b88e528735caef71f9f950cc44fb13f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com %2F%3Fid%3D63317

https://twitter.com/tomselliott/status/1566404533785448448?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1566404533785448448%7Ctwgr% 5Efca1d6782b88e528735caef71f9f950cc44fb13f%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.informationliberation.com %2F%3Fid%3D63317


Michael Beschloss on MSNBC:

Trump "is basically saying to Americans that 'there should be Civil War; there should be violence, in case I get indicted.' Nothing like that ever in American history."

Yeah both extremist sides are dumb, no one disputes that. Nothing like throwing stones when you compare a sitting President to one of if not the most evil person in history. # ignoranceisbliss

[XU_Lou]

Yeah both extremist sides are dumb, no one disputes that. Nothing like throwing stones when you compare a sitting President to one of if not the most evil person in history. # ignoranceisbliss

So sorry to hear that you're so easily triggered by a little hyperbolic commentary from an anonymous poster, snowflake. What's really hilarious though, is that you didn't call out the inciteful and hateful rhetoric of the POTUS. In fact, you totally agreed with him:


Biden finally accomplished something worthwhile last night…calling trump and his followers what they are..extremists and threats to democracy. No fan of Biden but he’s absolutely correct.


You're every bit as sick, disgusting and delusional as Biden is.

[Xville]

So sorry to hear that you're so easily triggered by a little hyperbolic commentary from an anonymous poster, snowflake. What's really hilarious though, is that you didn't call out the inciteful and hateful rhetoric of the POTUS. In fact, you totally agreed with him:



You're every bit as sick, disgusting and delusional as Biden is.

Oh now it’s hyperbole? Backtrack lou.. maybe that could be your new nickname.

So Biden and me are sick, delusional and disgusting because he called out your boyfriend and his lemmings like yourself. Got it. Yep I absolutely agree that trump is trying to divide the country, he’s a disgusting human being. That isn’t to say the extreme left are not doing the same thing. For some reason you have blinders on when it comes to the extreme right, but find any opportunity to blame the left for anything and everything.

[XU_Lou]

Oh now it’s hyperbole? Backtrack lou.. maybe that could be your new nickname.

So Biden and me are sick, delusional and disgusting because he called out your boyfriend and his lemmings like yourself. Got it. Yep I absolutely agree that trump is trying to divide the country, he’s a disgusting human being. That isn’t to say the extreme left are not doing the same thing. For some reason you have blinders on when it comes to the extreme right, but find any opportunity to blame the left for anything and everything.

Cool story, bro....

[bobbiemcgee]

I would agree with Musk....“It’s time for Trump to hang up his hat & sail into the sunset"

[Strange Brew]

I would agree with Musk....“It’s time for Trump to hang up his hat & sail into the sunset"

I agree and so can you Bobbie.

[xuwillie]

it is pretty funny and quite sad that Trump got absolutely destroyed by the Left for his decisiveness. Biden is doing the same thing and you look on this board and its perfectly fine. I do think its time for Trump, biden and the squad to go but there are a Bunch of hypocrites on this board

[bobbiemcgee]

I agree and so can you Bobbie.

Oh I would gladly disappear if tRump was gone.

[Xuperman]

Hopefully we can get some Republican polling that show Trump losing his base in big numbers.

[Xuperman]

it is pretty funny and quite sad that Trump got absolutely destroyed by the Left for his decisiveness. Biden is doing the same thing and you look on this board and its perfectly fine. I do think its time for Trump, biden and the squad to go but there are a Bunch of hypocrites on this board

I am going to assume you meant "divisive". I agree the Political Left/MSM (same thing), lost their F'ing minds demonizing Trump for that, and a vast plethora of things. However, can anyone post some examples of how Trump/Republicans divided the American PEOPLE?

Look at his minority employment numbers, his economy and the Party's "America First" agenda. Those things are anything but divisive and actually tend to make folks less pissed off at each other.

What Trump did do is, Attack the MSM, Progressive Liberal "wokeness", Anti Police riots, the anti fossil fuel climate alarmists and politicians that support Obama's "Fundamentally change America" agenda. I don't see how those things divide the general population.

On the flip, you have Biden and the entire Democratic Party construct, ALL IN on Obama's agenda......"Fundamentally Change America" is divisive by definition IMO. Then you have all this stuff coming exclusively from the left and their complicit MSM-

Labeling SCORES of Millions of Trump voters modern day Fascists/White Supremacists.

Punishing folks that refuse an experimental vaccine in all manor of ways.

Government officials and Teachers Unions labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists.

Comments like "if you see MAGA supporters in public, get in their face", "basket of deplorables", "clinging to their guns and bibles", "1st time in my adult life, I was proud of my country"

Out of control "cancel culture".

Forcing ridiculous "Pronouns" on the entire society. Those who refuse are labeled transphobic, homophobic or worse.

A constant "White Privilege" narrative and CRT.

Dangerous Defund the Police policies and implementation of criminal sentencing guidelines and no bail requirements.

On and On and On.

This all divides our people and it is so over the top, that one can only view that it's being done by design.

Let's all hope that Trump doesn't seek the 2024 nomination and just shuts the F up. This country is screwed unless we can get someone serious in the White House that can torpedo this progressive crap and build on Trump's America First agenda.

[Xville]

I am going to assume you meant "divisive". I agree the Political Left/MSM (same thing), lost their F'ing minds demonizing Trump for that, and a vast plethora of things. However, can anyone post some examples of how Trump/Republicans divided the American PEOPLE?

Look at his minority employment numbers, his economy and the Party's "America First" agenda. Those things are anything but divisive and actually tend to make folks less pissed off at each other.

What Trump did do is, Attack the MSM, Progressive Liberal "wokeness", Anti Police riots, the anti fossil fuel climate alarmists and politicians that support Obama's "Fundamentally change America" agenda. I don't see how those things divide the general population.

On the flip, you have Biden and the entire Democratic Party ALL IN on Obama's agenda......"Fundamentally Change America" is divisive by definition IMO. Then you have all this stuff coming exclusively from the left and the complicit MSM-

Labeling SCORES of Millions of Trump voters modern day Fascists/White Supremacists.

Punishing folks that refuse an experimental vaccine in all manor of ways.

Government officials and Teachers Unions labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists.

Comments like "if you see MAGA supporters in public, get in their face", "basket of deplorables", "clinging to their guns and bibles", "1st time in my adult life, I was proud of my country"

Out of control "cancel culture".

Forcing ridiculous "Pronouns" on the entire society. Those who refuse are labeled transphobic, homophobic or worse.

A constant "White Privilege" narrative and CRT.

Dangerous Defund the Police policies and implementation of criminal sentencing guidelines and no bail requirements.

On and On and On.

This all divides our people and it is so over the top, that one can only view that it's being done by design.

Let's all hope that Trump doesn't seek the 2024 nomination and just shuts the F up. This country is screwed unless we can get someone serious in the White House that can torpedo this progressive crap and build on Trump's America First agenda.

Your statement at the end, answers your question at the beginning. Trump is just a misogynistic asshole that decided to divide the country in half---his entire platform was you are either with me or against me, and he truly believes he has never been wrong a day in his life. He never really condemned white supremacists because they were a large voting block of his, he made fun of mentally disabled people, he called even former staff members idiots and useless when those people had to resign because they couldn't take another day of him. What politics needs now more than ever is the ability to compromise and to move the country forward thru singles and doubles. I'm not sure if our government system can ever get back to that and maybe I'm glamorizing the good ole days, but it seems like in the not so distant past, different sides worked together to achieve positive outcomes. A true moderate winning the election in 24 would do wonders for this country as a whole. That ship has probably sailed, but that's what is sorely needed.

[Xuperman]

Again 'ville, stop clowning around.

"White Supremacists" a LARGE VOTING BLOCK? How do you define LARGE?

I have lived in Brown Co. OH. For decades an do not know OR heard of, ANY White Supremacists. This is a complete Left/MSM narrative that you have obviously bought into.

[Xville]

Again 'ville, stop clowning around.

"White Supremacists" a LARGE VOTING BLOCK? How do you define LARGE?

I have lived in Brown Co. OH. For decades an do not know OR heard of, ANY White Supremacists. This is a complete Left/MSM narrative that you have obviously bought into.

so out of the entire paragraph i wrote, you took one half of a sentence and that's what you decide to comment on? I think the second half was much more important but whatever. large may not have been the correct word...what i was referring to is that group would vote for him more than any other candidate. One particular incident i was speaking to was charlottsville.

[xubrew]

I am going to assume you meant "divisive". I agree the Political Left/MSM (same thing), lost their F'ing minds demonizing Trump for that, and a vast plethora of things. However, can anyone post some examples of how Trump/Republicans divided the American PEOPLE?

Look at his minority employment numbers, his economy and the Party's "America First" agenda. Those things are anything but divisive and actually tend to make folks less pissed off at each other.

What Trump did do is, Attack the MSM, Progressive Liberal "wokeness", Anti Police riots, the anti fossil fuel climate alarmists and politicians that support Obama's "Fundamentally change America" agenda. I don't see how those things divide the general population.

On the flip, you have Biden and the entire Democratic Party construct, ALL IN on Obama's agenda......"Fundamentally Change America" is divisive by definition IMO. Then you have all this stuff coming exclusively from the left and their complicit MSM-

Labeling SCORES of Millions of Trump voters modern day Fascists/White Supremacists.

Punishing folks that refuse an experimental vaccine in all manor of ways.

Government officials and Teachers Unions labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists.

Comments like "if you see MAGA supporters in public, get in their face", "basket of deplorables", "clinging to their guns and bibles", "1st time in my adult life, I was proud of my country"

Out of control "cancel culture".

Forcing ridiculous "Pronouns" on the entire society. Those who refuse are labeled transphobic, homophobic or worse.

A constant "White Privilege" narrative and CRT.

Dangerous Defund the Police policies and implementation of criminal sentencing guidelines and no bail requirements.

On and On and On.

This all divides our people and it is so over the top, that one can only view that it's being done by design.

Let's all hope that Trump doesn't seek the 2024 nomination and just shuts the F up. This country is screwed unless we can get someone serious in the White House that can torpedo this progressive crap and build on Trump's America First agenda.


I think you answered your own question without realizing it. Good, bad, both, or neither, more than half of the people that live in the United States either fall into the bolded category, or at the very least support SOME of what they stand for. So, when those people see Trump attack it the way that he did, then they're going respond the way that they did. More people voted against Trump than any president in American History. Some will say that Biden got the most votes of any president ever. While that's technically correct, that's not practically correct. Most people really didn't vote for Biden. Many who voted for Biden really don't even like him. They voted AGAINST Trump. He is extremely divisive, and it should be no surprise as to why so many people voted against him.

[bobbiemcgee]

Funny that all the recent posters defending trump saying they wouldn't vote for him. Progress.

[Xuperman]

so out of the entire paragraph i wrote, you took one half of a sentence and that's what you decide to comment on? I think the second half was much more important but whatever. large may not have been the correct word...what i was referring to is that group would vote for him more than any other candidate. One particular incident i was speaking to was charlottsville.

Oh, for sure....I did take out half a sentence.

LARGE VOTING BLOCK got my attention. There is NO White Supremacists voting block.....NONE!

This Progressive Left fantasy about a "White Supremacists" movement with Trump as the "Furor" IS bat shit crazy. It's a thorough and well thought out plan, and by design. It is simply intentional "fear mongoring" by these "Fundamentally Transform America" Obama worshippers. Do you not realize his vision for America is gospel to the progressive Left?

We are in a dangerous time here, when the RULES FOR RADICALS doctrine have seeped into our National Political discourse. Denegrate and destroy Trump voters at ALL cost. The MSM is ALL in in that with objective, but more disturbing is, our freaking Progressive Political Structure in DC has F'ing guns ablaze. Absolute unbridled insanity.

[Xuperman]

Funny that all the recent posters defending trump saying they wouldn't vote for him. Progress.

No, the Conservative, common sense, traditional Pro American public is starting to realize it's NOT Pro Trump. Most voters should want a SERIOUS respectable Candidate that can be USA 1ST and build on Trump policies.

[Masterofreality]

I am going to assume you meant "divisive". I agree the Political Left/MSM (same thing), lost their F'ing minds demonizing Trump for that, and a vast plethora of things. However, can anyone post some examples of how Trump/Republicans divided the American PEOPLE?

Look at his minority employment numbers, his economy and the Party's "America First" agenda. Those things are anything but divisive and actually tend to make folks less pissed off at each other.

What Trump did do is, Attack the MSM, Progressive Liberal "wokeness", Anti Police riots, the anti fossil fuel climate alarmists and politicians that support Obama's "Fundamentally change America" agenda. I don't see how those things divide the general population.

On the flip, you have Biden and the entire Democratic Party construct, ALL IN on Obama's agenda......"Fundamentally Change America" is divisive by definition IMO. Then you have all this stuff coming exclusively from the left and their complicit MSM-

Labeling SCORES of Millions of Trump voters modern day Fascists/White Supremacists.

Punishing folks that refuse an experimental vaccine in all manor of ways.

Government officials and Teachers Unions labeling parents as Domestic Terrorists.

Comments like "if you see MAGA supporters in public, get in their face", "basket of deplorables", "clinging to their guns and bibles", "1st time in my adult life, I was proud of my country"

Out of control "cancel culture".

Forcing ridiculous "Pronouns" on the entire society. Those who refuse are labeled transphobic, homophobic or worse.

A constant "White Privilege" narrative and CRT.

Dangerous Defund the Police policies and implementation of criminal sentencing guidelines and no bail requirements.

On and On and On.

This all divides our people and it is so over the top, that one can only view that it's being done by design.

Let's all hope that Trump doesn't seek the 2024 nomination and just shuts the F up. This country is screwed unless we can get someone serious in the White House that can torpedo this progressive crap and build on Trump's America First agenda.

Endorsed 100%.
I don’t see the Leftists on this board ever trying to defend any of this. They only revert to dated and old “Orange Man Bad” trash.

[Xuperman]

Endorsed 100%.
I don’t see the Leftists on this board ever trying to defend any of this. They only revert to dated and old “Orange Man Bad” trash.

This is what I have been desperately try to understand since Obama. This board is a microcosm of the complete lack of common sense, in this progressive Left insanity.

You know why our leftist friends will not post any defense?

Because NO oracle skills on a keyboard here, supporting this America destroying agenda, would be defensible.

[bjf123]

No, the Conservative, common sense, traditional Pro American public is starting to realize it's NOT Pro Trump. Most voters should want a SERIOUS respectable Candidate that can be USA 1ST and build on Trump policies.

^^^This^^^


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[XU_Lou]

Funny that all the recent posters defending trump saying they wouldn't vote for him. Progress.

Peter denied knowing Jesus three times, but he later repented.

Don't worry, they will all be back in the fold when it counts....

[Xuperman]

Peter denied knowing Jesus three times, but he later repented.

Don't worry, they will all be back in the fold when it counts....

Lou, you and your stripe have to understand that Trump is POLITICALLY TOXIC. He really has no appealing qualities as a civil human being. If nominated in '24, it would be nothing but a "REVENGE" campaign.

Do you not realize that the simple vote AGAINST TRUMP, is WAY more powerful than supporting any lame ass Dem candidate?

I recommend that you and your like thinking friends, get onboard with hoping Trump cannot seek the 2024 nomination. Do y'all not see that he is THE ONLY candidate that the Dems have a chance to defeat?

If Trump really cared about "America First", he would read the political tea leaves and throw his support behind the next POTUS!

[Caf]

However, can anyone post some examples of how Trump/Republicans divided the American PEOPLE?

It's always more about words with Trump than actions. He just could not help himself.

The framing of illegal migrants at the campaign launch.
The travel ban.
Shit hole countries.
'Both sides' after Charlottesville.
John McCain
Looting starts shooting starts
Stand by proud boys

I think the Democrats are very divisive. I think most people believe that, probably all of them here. I also think Biden is the best you're ever gonna get from a moderate standpoint on either side for a long time and it's not good. Look at the the 2020 primary. He got smoked in the first three races. The ultimate result is wide but man up until Super Tuesday it wasn't. Add up Liz Warren and Bernie and it's a blowout all the way. He won with the more moderate areas of the party in the South and Midwest. The Democratic strong holds want Bernie, you think he's less divisive? Are the GOP candidates getting more centrist?

Our entire political discourse is a false dichotomy. The pitchfork people want to take your torches! Let's get back to the days where everyone has a political preference, but it's secondary to their understanding that politicians suck and aren't to be trusted.

But when you talk about division caused by the men themselves, the main difference here is in the support. Is the amount of attack Trump gets more unusual than the amount of support he gets? I am genuinely interested in your answer to that question. I think both are highly unusual and they are additive to each other. I asked it before, who likes Biden? Who loves Biden? I don't know anybody who really think he's the cat's meow. There are a hell of a lot of people who love Trump. That kind of support for a politician is inherently divisive [snowflake, cry lib, etc. you see it here].

That said, the democratic brand of division is deep, wildly unpopular across the country, and is bigger than Biden. I personally believe it is a division he is beholden to and I think a lot of people hoped he would stand up to it, but he hasn't. You can also find another hell of a lot of people who think Biden is a conservative.

[Xuperman]

It's always more about words with Trump than actions. He just could not help himself.

The framing of illegal migrants at the campaign launch.
The travel ban.
Shit hole countries.
'Both sides' after Charlottesville.
John McCain
Looting starts shooting starts
Stand by proud boys

I think the Democrats are very divisive. I think most people believe that, probably all of them here. I also think Biden is the best you're ever gonna get from a moderate standpoint on either side for a long time and it's not good. Look at the the 2020 primary. He got smoked in the first three races. The ultimate result is wide but man up until Super Tuesday it wasn't. Add up Liz Warren and Bernie and it's a blowout all the way. He won with the more moderate areas of the party in the South and Midwest. The Democratic strong holds want Bernie, you think he's less divisive? Are the GOP candidates getting more centrist?

Our entire political discourse is a false dichotomy. The pitchfork people want to take your torches! Let's get back to the days where everyone has a political preference, but it's secondary to their understanding that politicians suck and aren't to be trusted.

But when you talk about division caused by the men themselves, the main difference here is in the support. Is the amount of attack Trump gets more unusual than the amount of support he gets? I am genuinely interested in your answer to that question. I think both are highly unusual and they are additive to each other. I asked it before, who likes Biden? Who loves Biden? I don't know anybody who really think he's the cat's meow. There are a hell of a lot of people who love Trump. That kind of support for a politician is inherently divisive [snowflake, cry lib, etc. you see it here].

That said, the democratic brand of division is deep, wildly unpopular across the country, and is bigger than Biden. I personally believe it is a division he is beholden to and I think a lot of people hoped he would stand up to it, but he hasn't. You can also find another hell of a lot of people who think Biden is a conservative.

Ok,
Here is where I am and where my common like minded friends are thinking. We all are hoping that polling with registered R voters will reveal that the Trump base wants a more appealing conservative candidate. If Trump would just step back and be KingMaker, it would be a LANDSLIDE.

[xubrew]

Trump just scheduled a rally in Ohio during an Ohio State football game!! The man may have just totally redeemed himself!!!!

[Xuperman]

Trump just scheduled a rally in Ohio during an Ohio State football game!! The man may have just totally redeemed himself!!!!

Huh? My son is a 3rd year student at OSU. There is no way Trump would get any significant student support there. Columbus is red hot with social division. A Trump appearance is just not timely or yield anything positive there.

[Xuperman]

Endorsed 100%.
I don’t see the Leftists on this board ever trying to defend any of this. They only revert to dated and old “Orange Man Bad” trash.

Yep,
I only started posting on these political threads, to try and get a reasonable counter point of view. HOWEVER, none of our leftist friends want to post any detailed support of this insane progressive agenda. In fact, NOTHING!

I tapped out precise examples of progressive divisiveness. There will not be any response, let alone a detailed one.

Leftists simply do not want to debate. Political cowards.

[xubrew]

Huh? My son is a 3rd year student at OSU. There is no way Trump would get any significant student support there. Columbus is red hot with social division. A Trump appearance is just not timely or yield anything positive there.

I don’t like Ohio State, and it’s an event in Ohio that conflicts with…

Oh forget it. It was just a joke.

[Xville]

Yep,
I only started posting on these political threads, to try and get a reasonable counter point of view. HOWEVER, none of our leftist friends want to post any detailed support of this insane progressive agenda. In fact, NOTHING!

I tapped out precise examples of progressive divisiveness. There will not be any response, let alone a detailed one.

Leftists simply do not want to debate. Political cowards.

Just a suggestion but if you really want to have a conversation with a person who leans left, it may make sense to be a whole lot less derogatory, and notact like every person that leans left believes in every single extreme side of that aisle. What I mean is, not every democrat believes in every extreme progressive ideal like the ones you pointed out. Just like every conservative does not believe in every single right slanted extreme issue.

It doesn’t seem like having a conversation with someone on that side of the aisle is something you actually want to do, you just want to pick a fight with someone from that side. That’s something that our political figures on the extreme sides of the aisle like to do.

[XU_Lou]

Lou, you and your stripe have to understand that Trump is POLITICALLY TOXIC. He really has no appealing qualities as a civil human being. If nominated in '24, it would be nothing but a "REVENGE" campaign.

Do you not realize that the simple vote AGAINST TRUMP, is WAY more powerful than supporting any lame ass Dem candidate?

I recommend that you and your like thinking friends, get onboard with hoping Trump cannot seek the 2024 nomination. Do y'all not see that he is THE ONLY candidate that the Dems have a chance to defeat?

If Trump really cared about "America First", he would read the political tea leaves and throw his support behind the next POTUS!

Xup - You know I love you love you, man! We are both on the same side, and recognize the massive threat that the Democrats pose to this country. However, and again, I completely and totally reject the premise that Trump is "toxic". This is a completely fabricated construct. He's toxic because the Dems and the media told us he was. I don't give a rats ass what he has said during his rallies, or on Twitter, or his blustering personality: I only care about what he's done. Therein lies the problem for Democrats, and precisely why they hate him so much. He does what he says he's going to to do. He fights back, when the vast majority of Rs have simply folded like a cheap lawn chair in similar circumstances. Therefore, they have created a narrative for people like you to believe he's a horrible person. I, nor you, should believe this bullshit. I don't know how anyone can believe any of the crap that is reported about Trump is true based on the media's past track record of demonstrable and verifiable lying. Moreover, and I'm sure you're well aware of, is how completely differently the Democrats who commit the exact same supposed crimes are treated.

As I've commented before, the lying Dems will destroy and demonize anyone and everyone the Rs put up for election. If you want to put another soft spoken "get along to get along" Republican like Mitt Romney, then you must remember the totally made-up story that Harry Reid made about Romney not paying his taxes. Totally made up! Reid even admitted to this a few years later. These lying bastards will do that to anyone. I think a lot of the Rs on this board have fallen for these same tactics.

Having said all that, if there was any strong indication that Trump couldn't win in 2024, then I would definitely want him to stand down. However, the polls clearly show that he has a great chance of winning - at this far out point: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/2024/

The next president WILL either be Trump or DeSantis. I'm greedy - I want 12 years of pro-America first, anti-Democrat insanity.

[Xuperman]

Just a suggestion but if you really want to have a conversation with a person who leans left, it may make sense to be a whole lot less derogatory, and notact like every person that leans left believes in every single extreme side of that aisle. What I mean is, not every democrat believes in every extreme progressive ideal like the ones you pointed out. Just like every conservative does not believe in every single right slanted extreme issue.

It doesn’t seem like having a conversation with someone on that side of the aisle is something you actually want to do, you just want to pick a fight with someone from that side. That’s something that our political figures on the extreme sides of the aisle like to do.

Nope,
Your a squirrelly individual 'ville.

I am only here, and just like everywhere, seeking out the current pervasive progressive point of view. I can never get any logical counter argument for any of this insanity....the stuff that I detailed in my previous post.

Do you not understand that these far left America haters can not have anything close to a reasonable debate? The entire Democrat party has become nothing but Anti American cartoon characters and MSM tools.

[Xuperman]

I am just an America First guy and obviously your are too. It F'ing BLOWS my mind how so many are not...... they're not!

But Lou,
You have to be able to recognize that Trump is not a smart candidate for 2024. He has massive amounts of negative baggage and simply does not have the necessary political personality to appeal to winning numbers.

2024 can not be risked on one assholes ego. The stakes are way, way too high. You people have to wake up quick, and get behind a winning game plan, or we all are screwed. Trump will never be supported by enough voters to win POTUS. A revenge tour with Trump as the '24 nominee is political suicide.

[Xville]

Nope,
Your a squirrelly individual 'ville.

I am only here, and just like everywhere, seeking out the current pervasive progressive point of view. I can never get any logical counter argument for any of this insanity....the stuff that I detailed in my previous post.

Do you not understand that these far left America haters can not have anything close to a reasonable debate? The entire Democrat party has become nothing but Anti American cartoon characters and MSM tools.

I understand just like anyone on the extreme right side is the exact same, and instead of msm tools, it’s crazy media blogs.

However, to call all democrats anti American cartoon characters is ridiculous and extreme, and frankly how do you expect someone from the left to have a reasonable debate or conversation with you when you are that derogatory? That’s like calling all republicans a bunch of whatever derogatory phrase you want to use. Grouping whole bodies of people is stereotyping and not valuable in any way.

Not every democrat believes in the things that you previously listed.. some do, some don’t just like the Republican side of the aisle.

If you want a logical counter argument for “this insanity” that you call it… here is what I think for the most part. 1.) politicians are just told by whatever lobby is giving them the most money how to vote and what to say ( this is probably a majority of politicians or 2.) the ones on either side of the aisle that actually want to do some good believe strongly that their opinions are the ones that will propel American forward. I think this second group all wants the best for America, they just have a different opinion on how to do that.

Let’s just talk high level for a second for example on the topic of “climate change.”

Extreme right: climate doesn’t change or if it does it doesn’t matter, nothing will happen anyways.
Extreme left: oh my gawd the world is going to explode in 5 days if we don’t switch to wind power.

Moderate left or right: climate change probably exists, it may hurt our planet may or may not be man made.. and this is where the two sides of the aisle begin to differ but with the end goal in mind which is they want what’s best for the planet at large… there are different opinions on how to accomplish that.

I probably didn’t explain that very well, but what I am trying to say is that I believe the majority of Americans actually lie in that middle side and all have the same end goal in mind—want what’s best for the country and though have different opinions can actually maybe compromise and come to an understanding.

Then there are the extreme sides that it’s their way or the highway, the other side is evil, demented and wants to destroy America. If you are on that side of the right, you are never going to be open to anything on the extreme side of the left and vice versa, so why bother? I think it’s really just to start a fight, not really debate.

[Xuperman]

I understand just like anyone on the extreme right side is the exact same, and instead of msm tools, it’s crazy media blogs.

However, to call all democrats anti American cartoon characters is ridiculous and extreme, and frankly how do you expect someone from the left to have a reasonable debate or conversation with you when you are that derogatory? That’s like calling all republicans a bunch of whatever derogatory phrase you want to use. Grouping whole bodies of people is stereotyping and not valuable in any way.

Not every democrat believes in the things that you previously listed.. some do, some don’t just like the Republican side of the aisle.

If you want a logical counter argument for “this insanity” that you call it… here is what I think for the most part. 1.) politicians are just told by whatever lobby is giving them the most money how to vote and what to say ( this is probably a majority of politicians or 2.) the ones on either side of the aisle that actually want to do some good believe strongly that their opinions are the ones that will propel American forward. I think this second group all wants the best for America, they just have a different opinion on how to do that.

Let’s just talk high level for a second for example on the topic of “climate change.”

Extreme right: climate doesn’t change or if it does it doesn’t matter, nothing will happen anyways.
Extreme left: oh my gawd the world is going to explode in 5 days if we don’t switch to wind power.

Moderate left or right: climate change probably exists, it may hurt our planet may or may not be man made.. and this is where the two sides of the aisle begin to differ but with the end goal in mind which is they want what’s best for the planet at large… there are different opinions on how to accomplish that.

I probably didn’t explain that very well, but what I am trying to say is that I believe the majority of Americans actually lie in that middle side and all have the same end goal in mind—want what’s best for the country and though have different opinions can actually maybe compromise and come to an understanding.

Then there are the extreme sides that it’s their way or the highway, the other side is evil, demented and wants to destroy America. If you are on that side of the right, you are never going to be open to anything on the extreme side of the left and vice versa, so why bother? I think it’s really just to start a fight, not really debate.

Absolutely not, and I again say "nope".

There is no reasonable debate over open boarders with ILLEGALS having ZERO Covid vax requirements.

There is no reasonable debate over NO BOND policies for violent criminals.

There is no reasonable debate for calling PARENTS domestic terrorists for wanting to know what their children are being taught.

There is no reasonable debate that would support a SITTING PRESIDENT calling over 70 MILLION Trump voters Faciest/White Supremacists.

On and On and On.

I am only here, desperately hoping and waiting for some/any liberal explanation for this madness.

[Xville]

Absolutely not, and I again say "nope".

There is no reasonable debate over open boarders with ILLEGALS having ZERO Covid vax requirements.

There is no reasonable debate over NO BOND policies for violent criminals.

There is no reasonable debate for calling PARENTS domestic terrorists for wanting to know what their children are being taught.

There is no reasonable debate that would support a SITTING PRESIDENT calling over 70 MILLION Trump voters Faciest/White Supremacists.

On and On and On.

I am only here, desperately hoping and waiting for some/any liberal explanation for this madness.

Ok so you don’t want to debate or have a conversation , you just want to start a fight. Of course there is no explanation for you , just like there is no explanation for any ridiculous far right policy or issue for someone from the far left.

The thing is you seem to believe that all democrats believe the above for you call them cartoonish and whatever other derogatory phrases you used… that’s just not the case. Some do of course just like some far right republicans believe in crazy bay shit stuff too, but I don’t believe most do.

[Xuperman]

Are you going to make an argument that..Sleepy Joe, Word Salad Kamala, Happy Pelosi, Creepy Blumenthal, Shifty Scheif, Brother Buttigieg and PSYCHO Aunt Maxine Waters are not cartoon characters?

Don't reply with a list on the other side. Just acknowledge that it's a complete clown show.

[Xville]

Are you going to make an argument that..Sleepy Joe, Word Salad Kamala, Happy Pelosi, Creepy Blumenthal, Shifty Scheif, Brother Buttigieg and PSYCHO Aunt Maxine Waters are not cartoon characters?

Don't reply with a list on the other side. Just acknowledge that it's a complete clown show.

You said the entire Democratic Party.

[Xuperman]

Ok so you don’t want to debate or have a conversation , you just want to start a fight. Of course there is no explanation for you , just like there is no explanation for any ridiculous far right policy or issue for someone from the far left.

The thing is you seem to believe that all democrats believe the above for you call them cartoonish and whatever other derogatory phrases you used… that’s just not the case. Some do of course just like some far right republicans believe in crazy bay shit stuff too, but I don’t believe most do.

What fight? What explanation? There is no justifiable defense of anything that I have introduced into this conversation. And you're adding nicely to the deflection tactics. Why not make some counter points? Anything on post #14585 would be interesting.

[Caf]

You are of course cherry picking points which no moderately reasonable person would assert let alone defend.

Let me try:

There is no reasonable debate over NO RESTRICTIONS for weapons.

There is no reasonable debate over NO CONVICTIONS for unnecessary police killings.

There is no reasonable debate over NO HEALTHCARE for 30 million Americans.

There is no reasonable debate over ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East.

There is no reasonable debate for ending ALL IMMIGRATION when there's a need for cheap labor.

There is no reasonable debate over OVERTURNING ALL VOTES for 80 million Americans.

Anybody want to defend these arguments they didn't make?

[Xville]

What fight? What explanation? There is no justifiable defense of anything that I have introduced into this conversation. And you're adding nicely to the deflection tactics. Why not make some counter points? Anything on post #14585 would be interesting.

I’m not someone who is going to make counter points to those because I don’t believe in counter points to those other than maybe the trump thing but to just what Biden said and what you stated wasn’t really it. You seem to imply though that every democrat believes in those things, what I am saying is that is the extreme side of the party, not every democrat… all I’m saying. Anyways, have a good night.

[Xuperman]

You said the entire Democratic Party.

Yes, because the Democratic Party is highly skilled at maintaining a unbreakable party narrative that is very effectively parroted by the smothering MSM.

[Xuperman]

You are of course cherry picking points which no moderately reasonable person would assert let alone defend.

Let me try:

There is no reasonable debate over NO RESTRICTIONS for weapons.

There is no reasonable debate over NO CONVICTIONS for unnecessary police killings.

There is no reasonable debate over NO HEALTHCARE for 30 million Americans.

There is no reasonable debate over ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East.

There is no reasonable debate for ending ALL IMMIGRATION when there's a need for cheap labor.

There is no reasonable debate over OVERTURNING ALL VOTES for 80 million Americans.

Anybody want to defend these arguments they didn't make?

Ok,
Now that is a fantastic Post!

Thanks for helping to adjust some political compass.

Everything said feels left leaning, but very clever. However, you never attempted to debate my points, only deflected by making an opposing list of questions.

[Xville]

Ok,
Now that is a fantastic Post!

Thanks for helping to adjust some political compass.

Everything said feels left leaning, but very clever. However, you never attempted to debate my points, only deflected by making an opposing list of questions.

The first sentence is the explanation for why there is no attempt at debating your points. That’s the whole point.

[Xville]

Yes, because the Democratic Party is highly skilled at maintaining a unbreakable party narrative that is very effectively parroted by the smothering MSM.

If you feel the entire Democratic Party is that and believes in all the points you listed, then I think we are done here. Have a good night

[Xuperman]

You are of course cherry picking points which no moderately reasonable person would assert let alone defend.

Let me try:

There is no reasonable debate over NO RESTRICTIONS for weapons.

There is no reasonable debate over NO CONVICTIONS for unnecessary police killings.

There is no reasonable debate over NO HEALTHCARE for 30 million Americans.

There is no reasonable debate over ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East.

There is no reasonable debate for ending ALL IMMIGRATION when there's a need for cheap labor.

There is no reasonable debate over OVERTURNING ALL VOTES for 80 million Americans.

Anybody want to defend these arguments they didn't make?

Ok,
Now that is a fantastic Post!

Thanks for helping to adjust some political compass.

Everything said feels left leaning, but very clever. However, you never attempted to debate my points, only deflected by making an opposing list of questions, but I am eager to engage.

Full background check and 7 day waiting period for ALL 1st time gun purchasers. 21 year old requirement reasonable for general public. National gun owner ID, scanned with serial numbers for all new purchases.

Police killings are going to happen when dealing with hardcore criminals. The folks in Blue are not playing pussy foot.

Medicaid already covers anyone that can't afford it.

Nation building with Western values has never worked.

Rock solid SECURE BOARDER. Only LEGAL entry. No Human trafficking/Fentanyl.

Not ENOUGH evidence to dispute the 2020 election.

Moderate enough?

[Xuperman]

You said the entire Democratic Party.

Because they are in COMPLETE LOCK STEP....... SIMPATICO.

And the complicit MSM gets all the memos. They 24/7 parrot the EXACT same talking points. How much more obvious can it be?

[xubrew]

Because they are in COMPLETE LOCK STEP....... SIMPATICO.

And the complicit MSM gets all the memos. They 24/7 parrot the EXACT same talking points. How much more obvious can it be?

You sure you're talking about the Democrats?? In complete lock step??!! The DEMOCRATS??

The Democrats have been the most divided and dysfunctional group that I have ever seen. They make the Pac 12 seem like they've got their shit together and are completely united with one another. The Dems constantly attack each other. They will try and "cancel" one of their own at the drop of a hat. A lot of Democrats actually cannot stand the extreme left. They're just kind of afraid to say anything because they know if they do that the Crazy is gonna Crazy.

You say you want to debate these issues and that the left leaning people on this site refuse to do it. The reason for that is the left leaning people on this site agree with almost none of those points, or at the very least do not agree with them to the extreme extent that the Crazy Left takes them. It's not that they're afraid to debate you. It's that they don't agree with any of those points in the first place. They ARE NOT in lock-step. If anything, the Crazy Left is a constant attempt to 'Out-Crazy-Left' everyone else. No one wants to debate the merits of that. There aren't any.

The thing is, I think the 'Crazy Right' is kind of starting to look the same way on the other side of the mirror. That's what scares me. The Right of about 15 years ago would have told Trump to go fuck himself.

[paulxu]

On an unrelated note, if you donated to Bannon's build the wall scam...maybe you can get some of your money back.

[Caf]

Everything said feels left leaning, but very clever. However, you never attempted to debate my points, only deflected by making an opposing list of questions, but I am eager to engage.

You've missed my point. The deflection you are calling, "very clever" is exactly what you are doing. I don't think you believe in the examples I presented. They are the most extreme perceptions of Republican view removed of all nuance, which again is what you're doing. Classic strawman

[GoMuskies]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

[XU_Lou]

You've missed my point. The deflection you are calling, "very clever" is exactly what you are doing. I don't think you believe in the examples I presented. They are the most extreme perceptions of Republican view removed of all nuance, which again is what you're doing. Classic strawman

There is no reasonable debate over NO RESTRICTIONS for weapons.

* but is the Democrat party's position on this really reasonable? All headlines aside?

There is no reasonable debate over NO CONVICTIONS for unnecessary police killings.

* Who the hell is making this point? I've never heard this... made up?

There is no reasonable debate over NO HEALTHCARE for 30 million Americans.

* I'm confused.... Didn't we pass Obamacare about 10 years ago? Are you saying it's not working as intended?

There is no reasonable debate over ENDLESS WAR in the Middle East.

* Yea, no shit, that's one of the reasons why we elected Trump...

There is no reasonable debate for ending ALL IMMIGRATION when there's a need for cheap labor.

* No one is making this argument as well! Classic strawman!

[xubrew]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

Haven't really followed this that closely other than that I heard it happened, I heard BYU apologized and banned the individual who allegedly did it from all BYU events, and that the individual was not a student, and that after all that South Carolina opted to not go to BYU.

Most people probably wouldn't realize this, but BYU fans can be very nasty from what I understand. I've heard coaches, players, and admins talk about it. I don't know if that really means anything because while I don't condone racism or sexism, I personally do not find nasty sports crowds to necessarily be a bad thing. Is that part of the reason why so many people are so bent out of shape??

I don't condone racial slurs, but from all accounts BYU didn't condone it either. They apologized, the apology appeared to be sincere, and they banned the person, who was not a student, from everything! What the hell else are they supposed to do?

[GoMuskies]

What the hell else are they supposed to do?

Unban the person, because nothing happened.

[xubrew]

Unban the person, because nothing happened.

Seems fair. If it can be substantiated that nothing happened. Hell, they should probably apologize to the person after they unban them.

[Caf]

No one is making this argument as well! Classic strawman!

It's honestly impressive that you still don't get that you agree with me.

Xuperman is begging someone to argue in favor of a Republican perception of Democrat views. No one is because they're not actual views actual people believe in. I have given examples of the Democratic perception of Republican views and you have correctly pointed out that no one is making these arguments.

Here's a quick litmus test I tell people to do when I'm tired of hearing them talk about the other side as all out evil or stupid. 70+ million people voted for the other guy. Explain why they did without insulting their intelligence or assigning negative intentions to them. If you can't do that, you're the problem.

[GoMuskies]

Seems fair. If it can be substantiated that nothing happened. Hell, they should probably apologize to the person after they unban them.

Oh they should. Pretty tough standard to substantiate that nothing happened, but certainly no one has been able to substantiate her allegations.

[Xville]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

Where did you see that, because I don't see that anywhere.

Regarding Staley...can't stand that woman, regardless of this stuff.

[Xville]

It's honestly impressive that you still don't get that you agree with me.

Xuperman is begging someone to argue in favor of a Republican perception of Democrat views. No one is because they're not actual views actual people believe in. I have given examples of the Democratic perception of Republican views and you have correctly pointed out that no one is making these arguments.

Here's a quick litmus test I tell people to do when I'm tired of hearing them talk about the other side as all out evil or stupid. 70+ million people voted for the other guy. Explain why they did without insulting their intelligence or assigning negative intentions to them. If you can't do that, you're the problem.

Herein lies the problem though...Lou and Xup believe that all democrats have those views

[Masterofreality]

Have we talked about this BYU/Dook volleyball thing here yet? Absolutely insane situation where NYT, WaPo, ESPN, etc. all just jumped on an allegation made by a Dook volleyball player about the fans at BYU calling her a racial slur. The problem is that the allegation is apparently not true. But you're not going to see any retraction from ESPN, WaPo, or NYT. They've moved on, and if their "reporting" has done any damage it's not their concern.

South Carolina's Dawn Staley decided her women's basketball team would cancel a scheduled trip to BYU, because for god's sake you'd hate to take a risk of a bunch of black women living in South Carolina potentially being exposed to racism!

If anyone has been paying attention, this kind of “reporting” has been going on for quite a while.
Just look at how all the mainstream media immediately jumped all on the side of Jussie Smollet.
It’s “leap to the woke side” then take a long time, if ever, to print/broadcast retractions.
Cancel culture in action, as well as horrible “journalism”

[GoMuskies]

Where did you see that, because I don't see that anywhere.


Of course you don't. Most people won't. Because the source where you read the original story has moved on and doesn't care whether it was actually true.

Here's an excellent thread on it. Takes a lot of reading. https://twitter.com/ac_hutchens/status/1565949355147665408?s=20&t=Xh-0eWud6OmZVDxUOQdFeA

[Xuperman]

You sure you're talking about the Democrats?? In complete lock step??!! The DEMOCRATS??

The Democrats have been the most divided and dysfunctional group that I have ever seen. They make the Pac 12 seem like they've got their shit together and are completely united with one another. The Dems constantly attack each other. They will try and "cancel" one of their own at the drop of a hat. A lot of Democrats actually cannot stand the extreme left. They're just kind of afraid to say anything because they know if they do that the Crazy is gonna Crazy.

You say you want to debate these issues and that the left leaning people on this site refuse to do it. The reason for that is the left leaning people on this site agree with almost none of those points, or at the very least do not agree with them to the extreme extent that the Crazy Left takes them. It's not that they're afraid to debate you. It's that they don't agree with any of those points in the first place. They ARE NOT in lock-step. If anything, the Crazy Left is a constant attempt to 'Out-Crazy-Left' everyone else. No one wants to debate the merits of that. There aren't any.

The thing is, I think the 'Crazy Right' is kind of starting to look the same way on the other side of the mirror. That's what scares me. The Right of about 15 years ago would have told Trump to go fuck himself.

Are you referring to Joe Manchin? Sinema?

Can you give me any source that reports rampant in-fighting in the current Democratic Party?

[Xuperman]

You've missed my point. The deflection you are calling, "very clever" is exactly what you are doing. I don't think you believe in the examples I presented. They are the most extreme perceptions of Republican view removed of all nuance, which again is what you're doing. Classic strawman

No Strawman....straight up, I am just simply a traditional "center right" guy. My political views are America First and grounded in common sense.

Look, unfortunately the Dems control the WH and both Houses. Therefore, all current domestic and global policy has to be 100% on them.

I am more than pissed off at what they are allowing at our southern boarder. Common sense says why?

Is there any doubt which party supports the Anti-Law Enforcement agenda that is destroying Police moral? Common sense says this is full blown insanity.

We just had a sitting POTUS, with the overwhelming support of his party, label all opposition voters Modern day Fascists/White Supremacists. In a National "State or the Union" address. Common sense says that is going to INFURIATE MILLIONS of people like me.

Now, I will cool my jets and let y'all know where my like minded friends and I are.

The Supreme Court ruling on Abortion is spot on and overdue.... leave it to individual States. HOWEVER, the likelihood that "Bible Belt" States will go extreme is disturbing. Solidly safe Birth control is dirt cheap and available to anyone. ANY attempt to restrict the pill or the "morning after" pill, makes no "Common Sense". I know that hardcore "Bible Thumpers" think safe Birth control encourages promiscuity, but people are always going to hook up. Abortions could be drastically reduced if the "Pill" could be insisted upon like the C19 vax.

The Gun Show loophole has to be closed. The fire power stuff that goes on at country Flea markets has zero regulation. Our 2A rights can never be infringed......but again Common Sense.

Legal Immigrantion ONLY. Mass Boarder security that include increase Boarder Agents, Drone Surveillance AND WALLS in high traffic areas. Common Sense.

[GoMuskies]

Can you give me any source that reports rampant in-fighting in the current Democratic Party?

Twitter. Look around even a little bit. Or just google "Bernie Bros" and read the first few results.

[Masterofreality]

Of course you don't. Most people won't. Because the source where you read the original story has moved on and doesn't care whether it was actually true.

Here's an excellent thread on it. Takes a lot of reading. https://twitter.com/ac_hutchens/status/1565949355147665408?s=20&t=Xh-0eWud6OmZVDxUOQdFeA

Corrrect. It’s totally untrue.
The “fan” that allegedly said the slur wasn’t even in his seat when the player “heard” the slur. Not only that, no teammate or other fan in the area heard anything .

[Xville]

Of course you don't. Most people won't. Because the source where you read the original story has moved on and doesn't care whether it was actually true.

Here's an excellent thread on it. Takes a lot of reading. https://twitter.com/ac_hutchens/status/1565949355147665408?s=20&t=Xh-0eWud6OmZVDxUOQdFeA

yikes....hope that if nothing like this occurred...her and the godmother are taken to task just like jussie

[Smails]

yikes....hope that if nothing like this occurred...her and the godmother are taken to task just like jussie

Yeah..this thing is getting really stinky. This is an older article by news-cycle timing, but even BET is reporting that there has been absolutely no evidence to support this claim. No video, no audio..nothing. Throw in a race baiting godmother, and several black students at the event that heard nothing and all of this points to being completely made up. This topic should actually be under the 'Journalism is dead' thread.

https://www.bet.com/article/wq824n/banned-volleyball-fan-byu-racial-slur

[GoMuskies]

yikes....hope that if nothing like this occurred...her and the godmother are taken to task just like jussie

I don't think it's the girl as much as the godmother. The godmother appears to be a horrible person...so of course she's a politician currently running for office.

[paulxu]

I was reminded (again) today, of the somewhat childish behavior of the last president.
Not only didn't attend inauguration, or welcome successor and spouse to White House, or have the first ladies meet before the handover...but failed to follow the example of all recent presidents to have their predecessor and spouse come to the White House for official portrait unveiling.
So, Biden had to do it for Obama...like Obama did for Bush, and Bush did for Clinton, etc.

[XU_Lou]

It's honestly impressive that you still don't get that you agree with me.

Xuperman is begging someone to argue in favor of a Republican perception of Democrat views. No one is because they're not actual views actual people believe in. I have given examples of the Democratic perception of Republican views and you have correctly pointed out that no one is making these arguments.

Here's a quick litmus test I tell people to do when I'm tired of hearing them talk about the other side as all out evil or stupid. 70+ million people voted for the other guy. Explain why they did without insulting their intelligence or assigning negative intentions to them. If you can't do that, you're the problem.

I'm sorry, CAF, but this simply doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[X-band '01]

I was reminded (again) today, of the somewhat childish behavior of the last president.
Not only didn't attend inauguration, or welcome successor and spouse to White House, or have the first ladies meet before the handover...but failed to follow the example of all recent presidents to have their predecessor and spouse come to the White House for official portrait unveiling.
So, Biden had to do it for Obama...like Obama did for Bush, and Bush did for Clinton, etc.

Doing so would have been an admission that he lost. Something he'll never have the balls to do.

[Caf]

I'm sorry, CAF, but this simply doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Fine by me

[Caf]

Herein lies the problem though...Lou and Xup believe that all democrats have those views

Yup

[noteggs]

I don't think it's the girl as much as the godmother. The godmother appears to be a horrible person...so of course she's a politician currently running for office.

Yes the Godmother is a piece of work for sure. She is running for judge no less. Here are some examples of her past tweets. Yes I know all, this is an Outkick article, but other information is hard to find as people have mentioned. But tweets are tweets.

https://www.outkick.com/duke-volleyball-players-godmother-shows-troubling-past-with-racist-remarks/

[noteggs]

I'm sorry, CAF, but this simply doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say.

Get used to it. Need to read his posts more than once and hopefully you’ll get it. He lives up to his avatar. This is what makes him a great poster in this thread.

[Xuperman]

Herein lies the problem though...Lou and Xup believe that all democrats have those views

Ok, I understand that NO reasonable person, regardless of political affiliation, can support the insane reality described in post #14561. The current far left agenda is simply forced continued Obama "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine.

The politicians that ARE PROPAGATING this madness are 100% responsible......and it IS the entire Democratic Party.

Now here is where we can quit blowing smoke up each other's asses, and get down to the brass tacks..

Any and ALL of our leftist friends here that VOTED Dem...you own this nightmare. You VOTED for AND OWN the shit show that is going on. You own it.

Here is where I really get pissed off, to the point I'm angry. If there are so many level headed folks on the left that disagree with nearly an indefensible train wreck of Biden policies, WHY DO YOU VOTE FOR IT?

[Caf]

I'm sorry, CAF, but this simply doesn't make sense. I have no idea what you're trying to say.


Get used to it. Need to read his posts more than once and hopefully youÂ’ll get it. He lives up to his avatar. This is what makes him a great poster in this thread.

Let me say it another way Lou because eggs is the man. Xupermans stances (I don’t know enough about yours) are very reasonable. They are definitely close to, if not in, the majority. Your image of Democratic people’s views are focusing on the extreme. The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare. The Republicans as portrayed by left wing media (we need more guns, QAnon, facist) are exceedingly rare. Independents and those who “lean” remain the dominant majority of Americans. Especially in this past election, where voting against Trump was a huge motive, no one actually believes in a Democratic vision or mandate. They’re a mess and no one thinks otherwise. At most they hate Trump.

Again, does anybody like Biden? Did anybody like Biden beyond the fact that he wasnÂ’t Donald Trump and was centrist enough to have a reasonable shot at beating him?

[XU_Lou]

Let me say it another way Lou because eggs is the man. Xupermans stances (I don’t know enough about yours) are very reasonable. They are definitely close to, if not in, the majority. Your image of Democratic people’s views are focusing on the extreme. The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare. The Republicans as portrayed by left wing media (we need more guns, QAnon, facist) are exceedingly rare. Independents and those who “lean” remain the dominant majority of Americans. Especially in this past election, where voting against Trump was a huge motive, no one actually believes in a Democratic vision or mandate. They’re a mess and no one thinks otherwise. At most they hate Trump.

Again, does anybody like Biden? Did anybody like Biden beyond the fact that he wasnÂ’t Donald Trump and was centrist enough to have a reasonable shot at beating him?

So you state that you "donÂ’t know enough about" my stances, but then turnaround and proclaim that, "Your image of Democratic peopleÂ’s views are focusing on the extreme."

??????

Sorry, I call balls and strikes. If you don't like it, tough shit. Just because the Dems have lurched to the 10 yard line in recent years, doesn't mean that midfield is now on the 30.

Furthermore,

"The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare."

Sorry, what you're trying to say here simply isn't true. The attitudes among Democrats (elected and voters) on all 4 of these topics is far more pervasive than "exceedingly rare". To deny that is simply being out of touch with reality.

[Xville]

So you state that you "donÂ’t know enough about" my stances, but then turnaround and proclaim that, "Your image of Democratic peopleÂ’s views are focusing on the extreme."

??????

Sorry, I call balls and strikes. If you don't like it, tough shit. Just because the Dems have lurched to the 10 yard line in recent years, doesn't mean that midfield is now on the 30.

Furthermore,

"The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare."

Sorry, what you're trying to say here simply isn't true. The attitudes among Democrats (elected and voters) on all 4 of these topics is far more pervasive than "exceedingly rare". To deny that is simply being out of touch with reality.

You’ve been indoctrinated by extreme right wing media sites. That’s why you believe your last paragraph.

[Xville]

Ok, I understand that NO reasonable person, regardless of political affiliation, can support the insane reality described in post #14561. The current far left agenda is simply forced continued Obama "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine.

The politicians that ARE PROPAGATING this madness are 100% responsible......and it IS the entire Democratic Party.

Now here is where we can quit blowing smoke up each other's asses, and get down to the brass tacks..

Any and ALL of our leftist friends here that VOTED Dem...you own this nightmare. You VOTED for AND OWN the shit show that is going on. You own it.

Here is where I really get pissed off, to the point I'm angry. If there are so many level headed folks on the left that disagree with nearly an indefensible train wreck of Biden policies, WHY DO YOU VOTE FOR IT?

It’s not the entire Democratic Party…. It’s pretty simple why a large number voted for Biden—-he wasn’t trump.

[Xuperman]

It’s not the entire Democratic Party…. It’s pretty simple why a large number voted for Biden—-he wasn’t trump.

Why do you keep saying that? By "entire Democratic Party", I mean Biden and his Cabinet, Harris and all of the Dem members of both Houses. Especially Pelosi, Schumer and their ranking committee members. They are the people that design and implement US domestic and foreign policy. Those policies are a disaster and flat out dangerous in some cases. Aside from Manchin and Sinema (who got attacked like a pack of wolves), no one dares to cross party lines on major legislation.

Look, if Obama and his circle are not actively orchestrating this train wreck, It's become painfully obvious that a continuation of his "Fundamentally Transform America" doctrine is in full swing. Everything from Anti Law enforcement, the the war on Fossil Fuels, Boarder Policy, rewriting history, changing language and CRT fits his vision to a T.

Now, according to our Liberal friends here, there is a vast portion of Democrat voters that recognize that their President's policies are damaging the well being of our Country. If that is the case, there is going to be a helluva lot of registered Democrat voters, vote R in the midterms. Unless of course, Abortion fears and anything Trump out weighs voting for candidates that will put a halt to this progressive madness.

[Xville]

What I am saying is that not all democrats believe in the things that you listed before and above and/or they have varying wishes to the outcomes that they actually want in regards to each issue. Not all of them believe in CRT, Anti Law enforcement (which has basically been shot down since its been found to be incredibly unpopular), "changing language" etc. To say otherwise is pretty disingenuous.

This has been highlighted several times by Caf, myself and others within this thread...it would be like saying all Republicans want free guns for everyone, no immigration ever etc.

If you want to say the Biden presidency isn't working because of x,y,z from an actual policy perspective and not the right wing extreme media version of it...then ok im with you.

I think we all need to recognize that just as MSM glorifies everything the Dems touch and diminishes the right....these republican publications are doing the same just vice versa.

[bjf123]

What I am saying is that not all democrats believe in the things that you listed before …. Anti Law enforcement (which has basically been shot down since its been found to be incredibly unpopular),

It’s amazing how many of the Democratic candidates are trying to distance themselves from that now that they see it could cost them the election. Anyone want to bet they go right back to wanting to defund the police if they’re re-elected?


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[GoMuskies]

Anyone want to bet they go right back to wanting to defund the police if they’re re-elected?


There will be another bad police shooting (it's inevitable, really), and it will be a popular sentiment again, and THEN they'll just back to supporting it. Until the winds change again.

[paulxu]

Anyone want to bet they go right back to wanting to defund the police if they’re re-elected?


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Are you talking about this group?


Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene🇺🇸
@RepMTG
DEFUND THE FBI!
8:03 PM · Aug 8, 2022

[GoMuskies]

Welcome King Charles

[Smails]

Are you talking about this group?

Yeah Paul..some whackadoodle right wingers tweeting is totally the same thing as a nation-wide, party-backed movement that literally put ballot initiatives forward to defund local law enforcement. Totally apples to apples on that one. Some of your finest work IMO

[Strange Brew]

Welcome King Charles

Hoping the Queen made a will to pass...:)

[Xuperman]

This has been highlighted several times by Caf, myself and others within this thread...it would be like saying all Republicans want free guns for everyone, no immigration ever.

Again 'ville, quit clowning around. There are ZERO politicians in DC, that are advocating for "free guns" or No immigration. Your examples are silly.

However, there are PLENTY of politicians in DC, that openly support radical Defund Police and Open Boarder policies.

[Xville]

Again 'ville, quit clowning around. There are ZERO politicians in DC, that are advocating for "free guns" or No immigration. Your examples are silly.

However, there are PLENTY of politicians in DC, that openly support radical Defund Police and Open Boarder policies.

do you have 100% faith in that one? You don't think whackadoodle Margorie and her ilk wouldn't be for those things?

I disagree with your "plenty." im sure there are some...squad and those idiots.

This is my point though...you are taking extremes and applying it to an entire base. It's just not accurate

[Xville]

Hoping the Queen made a will to pass...:)

that may be something everyone agrees on

[Xuperman]

If you want to say the Biden presidency isn't working because of x,y,z from an actual policy perspective and not the right wing extreme media version of it...then ok im with you..

What do you think I've been doing?.......X,Y,Z?

I've covered most of the alphabet pointing out the insanity of this train wrecked Administration.

[XU_Lou]

The commentary on this board that passes for analysis by some is mind-blowingly stupid and incredibly lazy.

First, a couple of definitions:

Rare: "seldom occurring or found"

Exceedingly: "to an extreme degree"

Alright, a few polls:

* ~80% of Democrats who had heard of CRT had a favorable view of it.

* ~70% of Democrats think that racism is a big problem:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/06/17/americans-who-have-heard-of-critical-race-theory-dont-like-it


One year later.....

* 28% of Democrats were strongly in favor of teaching students that the US was stolen from others - another 21% were weakly in favor of this.

* ~46% of Strong Democrats endorsed the firing of four people who lost their jobs over giving offense to woke sensibilities

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critical-race-theory-is-dividing-democrats-and-rallying-republicans-opinion/ar-AATkoT7



* 45% of Democrats think that decriminalizing illegal border crossings is a good idea:

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_1907190926.pdf



* 63% of Democrats and Leaning Dems say they have heard of someone preferring to use pronouns, and another 25% said they know someone who prefers to use pronouns. (in other words, there's a lot of use of pronouns out there).

* 66% of Democrats say they are comfortable using pronouns:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/09/05/gender-neutral-pronouns/

* 61% of Democrats think that kids should be able to pick their pronouns:

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/HHP_May2022_KeyResults.pdf

More polling: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/08/02/how-americans-gender-neutral-pronouns-2022-poll



* 55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine

* 59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

*48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.

* 45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

* 29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated



A couple of other surveys of interest:

* 64% of Democrats say that someone can be a man or a woman even if that is different from the sex they were assigned at birth:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

* 65% of Democrats have a positive view of Socialism:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/357755/socialism-capitalism-ratings-unchanged.aspx

* 71% Of Young Democrats Say They Wouldn’t Date Republicans:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-71-of-young-democrats-say-they-wouldn-t-date-republicans-nearly-40-say-no-to-friend-zone/ar-AARDnpg

[Strange Brew]

Again 'ville, quit clowning around. There are ZERO politicians in DC, that are advocating for "free guns" or No immigration. Your examples are silly.

However, there are PLENTY of politicians in DC, that openly support radical Defund Police and Open Boarder policies.

Well, NYC is requesting credit card companies create special codes for gun purchases. While the Rs have never proposed "free guns", the Ds are doing what they can to go after them (even if it's not within their power).

[Xuperman]

What I think we all need to recognize that just as MSM glorifies everything the Dems touch and diminishes the right....these republican publications are doing the same just vice versa.

Are you suggesting that the ENTIRE MSM construct, ABC, NBC, CBS news, along with their cable affiliates. ALL of the big city print media rags, along with the smothering Progressive Social Media outlets, are seriously challenged by FOX News, Conservative Radio and a some insignificant extremist blogs?

It's not even a close fight in who is controlling the National Political narrative. Stop with the nonsense.

[Xuperman]

The commentary on this board that passes for analysis by some is mind-blowingly stupid and incredibly lazy.

First, a couple of definitions:

Rare: "seldom occurring or found"

Exceedingly: "to an extreme degree"

Alright, a few polls:

* ~80% of Democrats who had heard of CRT had a favorable view of it.

* ~70% of Democrats think that racism is a big problem:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/06/17/americans-who-have-heard-of-critical-race-theory-dont-like-it


One year later.....

* 28% of Democrats were strongly in favor of teaching students that the US was stolen from others - another 21% were weakly in favor of this.

* ~46% of Strong Democrats endorsed the firing of four people who lost their jobs over giving offense to woke sensibilities

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critical-race-theory-is-dividing-democrats-and-rallying-republicans-opinion/ar-AATkoT7



* 45% of Democrats think that decriminalizing illegal border crossings is a good idea:

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_1907190926.pdf



* 63% of Democrats and Leaning Dems say they have heard of someone preferring to use pronouns, and another 25% said they know someone who prefers to use pronouns. (in other words, there's a lot of use of pronouns out there).

* 66% of Democrats say they are comfortable using pronouns:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/09/05/gender-neutral-pronouns/

* 61% of Democrats think that kids should be able to pick their pronouns:

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/HHP_May2022_KeyResults.pdf

More polling: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/08/02/how-americans-gender-neutral-pronouns-2022-poll



* 55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine

* 59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

*48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.

* 45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

* 29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated



A couple of other surveys of interest:

* 64% of Democrats say that someone can be a man or a woman even if that is different from the sex they were assigned at birth:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

* 65% of Democrats have a positive view of Socialism:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/357755/socialism-capitalism-ratings-unchanged.aspx

* 71% Of Young Democrats Say They Wouldn’t Date Republicans:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-71-of-young-democrats-say-they-wouldn-t-date-republicans-nearly-40-say-no-to-friend-zone/ar-AARDnpg

Wow Lou,
That is a impressive amount of work.....thanks for posting!!!

Everything there really describes the progressives are winning the narrative. The complicit MSM is mainly responsible.

[Xuperman]

Yeah Paul..some whackadoodle right wingers tweeting is totally the same thing as a nation-wide, party-backed movement that literally put ballot initiatives forward to defund local law enforcement. Totally apples to apples on that one. Some of your finest work IMO

Fantastic Post!!

[Xuperman]

It’s amazing how many of the Democratic candidates are trying to distance themselves from that now that they see it could cost them the election. Anyone want to bet they go right back to wanting to defund the police if they’re re-elected?


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It is a rock solid assurance they WILL. That's what they do.

Remember Biden campaigning on being the GREAT UNITER? What a F'ing joke! EXACT opposite.

[Xuperman]

do you have 100% faith in that one? You don't think whackadoodle Margorie and her ilk wouldn't be for those things?

I disagree with your "plenty." im sure there are some...squad and those idiots.

This is my point though...you are taking extremes and applying it to an entire base. It's just not accurate

It sounds like you are referring to a "voter base"? I am am laser focused on the POLITICIANS that this "BASE", voted into positions of power.

The "Squad"? Yeah, they are so far left that it's to INFINITY at this point. F them. I am talking about ALL the upper DEM LEADERSHIP, that is responsible for the disaster currently in front of us.

[GoMuskies]

Our new "common sense Republican" participant in the thread walks right in and aligns himself with Lou. Perfect.

I recall XVille as a pretty staunch conservative/Republican type, but at this point I expect he'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in '24. Point being, I don't think you guys are doing a very good job at being persuasive, which is kinda important in politics. At least it used to be, because the Democrats (here and elsehwere) really suck at the art of persuasion these days too.

[bobbiemcgee]

Y'all need to speak with the ladies:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/women-s-voter-sign-ups-surge-after-roe-ruling-buoying-democrats?leadSource=uverify%20wall

[GoMuskies]

Y'all need to speak with the ladies:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-08-30/women-s-voter-sign-ups-surge-after-roe-ruling-buoying-democrats?leadSource=uverify%20wall

Worth it.

[Xville]

Are you suggesting that the ENTIRE MSM construct, ABC, NBC, CBS news, along with their cable affiliates. ALL of the big city print media rags, along with the smothering Progressive Social Media outlets, are seriously challenged by FOX News, Conservative Radio and a some insignificant extremist blogs?

It's not even a close fight in who is controlling the National Political narrative. Stop with the nonsense.

Didn't say that. What I was inferring is that just like some are heavily influenced by "MSM," there are others who are heavily influenced by right wing media sites.

[Xville]

The commentary on this board that passes for analysis by some is mind-blowingly stupid and incredibly lazy.

First, a couple of definitions:

Rare: "seldom occurring or found"

Exceedingly: "to an extreme degree"

Alright, a few polls:

* ~80% of Democrats who had heard of CRT had a favorable view of it.

* ~70% of Democrats think that racism is a big problem:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/06/17/americans-who-have-heard-of-critical-race-theory-dont-like-it


One year later.....

* 28% of Democrats were strongly in favor of teaching students that the US was stolen from others - another 21% were weakly in favor of this.

* ~46% of Strong Democrats endorsed the firing of four people who lost their jobs over giving offense to woke sensibilities

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critical-race-theory-is-dividing-democrats-and-rallying-republicans-opinion/ar-AATkoT7



* 45% of Democrats think that decriminalizing illegal border crossings is a good idea:

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_1907190926.pdf



* 63% of Democrats and Leaning Dems say they have heard of someone preferring to use pronouns, and another 25% said they know someone who prefers to use pronouns. (in other words, there's a lot of use of pronouns out there).

* 66% of Democrats say they are comfortable using pronouns:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/09/05/gender-neutral-pronouns/

* 61% of Democrats think that kids should be able to pick their pronouns:

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/HHP_May2022_KeyResults.pdf

More polling: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/08/02/how-americans-gender-neutral-pronouns-2022-poll



* 55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine

* 59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

*48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.

* 45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

* 29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated



A couple of other surveys of interest:

* 64% of Democrats say that someone can be a man or a woman even if that is different from the sex they were assigned at birth:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

* 65% of Democrats have a positive view of Socialism:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/357755/socialism-capitalism-ratings-unchanged.aspx

* 71% Of Young Democrats Say They Wouldn’t Date Republicans:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-71-of-young-democrats-say-they-wouldn-t-date-republicans-nearly-40-say-no-to-friend-zone/ar-AARDnpg

yeah so amazing when you can google something and it does the work for you...let me bow down to all of your hard work lol

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

35% of republicans believe that people should be allowed to carry guns without a permit. That took two seconds....point being, i can find any stupid statistic on the internet to make a point. doesn't make you smart even though Xup slurped it up

[XU_Lou]

yeah so amazing when you can google something and it does the work for you...let me bow down to all of your hard work lol

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

35% of republicans believe that people should be allowed to carry guns without a permit. That took two seconds....point being, i can find any stupid statistic on the internet to make a point. doesn't make you smart even though Xup slurped it up

Ville – I want to sincerely apologize to you for calling you a liar on multiple occasions. I should’ve never have disparaged all the liars of the world by lumping you in with them. You, my friend, are a genuine psychopath…

[GoMuskies]

Lou was against firing Travis Steele. Isn't that disqualifying for all opinions?

[Xville]

Ville – I want to sincerely apologize to you for calling you a liar on multiple occasions. I should’ve never have disparaged all the liars of the world by lumping you in with them. You, my friend, are a genuine psychopath…

good talk lou..your looking up links and posting them are lazy. get out of the basement every once in a while

[Xville]

Lou was against firing Travis Steele. Isn't that disqualifying for all opinions?
he was also going to come on here at the end of the season and tell me how wrong i was when he led the team to the second weekend of March Madness

[Xville]

What do you think I've been doing?.......X,Y,Z?

I've covered most of the alphabet pointing out the insanity of this train wrecked Administration.

Open Border policies and some energy policies im with you on. There has been nothing this administration has done in regards to defund the police, CRT, pronoun usage etc. Those type of things may have been implemented to varying degrees at local or state level guided by the crazies

[XU_Lou]

Guns? How did that enter into THIS conversation that YOU started, and had nothing to do with YOU? This is so typical - you do this all the time - you get blasted with facts that counter your lazy conclusions, then you to start slinging shit around to obfuscate that fact that you're losing another argument. This is precisely why you're a certified psychopath.

Seek help....


The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare.



Furthermore,

"The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare."

Sorry, what you're trying to say here simply isn't true. The attitudes among Democrats (elected and voters) on all 4 of these topics is far more pervasive than "exceedingly rare". To deny that is simply being out of touch with reality.



You’ve been indoctrinated by extreme right wing media sites. That’s why you believe your last paragraph.



The commentary on this board that passes for analysis by some is mind-blowingly stupid and incredibly lazy.

First, a couple of definitions:

Rare: "seldom occurring or found"

Exceedingly: "to an extreme degree"

Alright, a few polls:

* ~80% of Democrats who had heard of CRT had a favorable view of it.

* ~70% of Democrats think that racism is a big problem:

https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/06/17/americans-who-have-heard-of-critical-race-theory-dont-like-it


One year later.....

* 28% of Democrats were strongly in favor of teaching students that the US was stolen from others - another 21% were weakly in favor of this.

* ~46% of Strong Democrats endorsed the firing of four people who lost their jobs over giving offense to woke sensibilities

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/critical-race-theory-is-dividing-democrats-and-rallying-republicans-opinion/ar-AATkoT7



* 45% of Democrats think that decriminalizing illegal border crossings is a good idea:

https://maristpoll.marist.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/NPR_PBS-NewsHour_Marist-Poll_USA-NOS-and-Tables_1907190926.pdf



* 63% of Democrats and Leaning Dems say they have heard of someone preferring to use pronouns, and another 25% said they know someone who prefers to use pronouns. (in other words, there's a lot of use of pronouns out there).

* 66% of Democrats say they are comfortable using pronouns:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/09/05/gender-neutral-pronouns/

* 61% of Democrats think that kids should be able to pick their pronouns:

https://harvardharrispoll.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/HHP_May2022_KeyResults.pdf

More polling: https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/08/02/how-americans-gender-neutral-pronouns-2022-poll



* 55% of Democratic voters would support a proposal for federal or state governments to fine Americans who choose not to get a COVID-19 vaccine

* 59% of Democratic voters would favor a government policy requiring that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

*48% of Democratic voters think federal and state governments should be able to fine or imprison individuals who publicly question the efficacy of the existing COVID-19 vaccines on social media, television, radio, or in online or digital publications.

* 45% of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

* 29% of Democratic voters would support temporarily removing parents’ custody of their children if parents refuse to take the COVID-19 vaccine.

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_ against_unvaccinated



A couple of other surveys of interest:

* 64% of Democrats say that someone can be a man or a woman even if that is different from the sex they were assigned at birth:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/11/08/transgender-issues-divide-republicans-and-democrats/

* 65% of Democrats have a positive view of Socialism:

https://news.gallup.com/poll/357755/socialism-capitalism-ratings-unchanged.aspx

* 71% Of Young Democrats Say They Wouldn’t Date Republicans:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/poll-71-of-young-democrats-say-they-wouldn-t-date-republicans-nearly-40-say-no-to-friend-zone/ar-AARDnpg



yeah so amazing when you can google something and it does the work for you...let me bow down to all of your hard work lol

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/09/13/key-facts-about-americans-and-guns/

35% of republicans believe that people should be allowed to carry guns without a permit. That took two seconds....point being, i can find any stupid statistic on the internet to make a point. doesn't make you smart even though Xup slurped it up

[Xville]

Let me spell it out for you, so maybe you can finally understand Lou....I took one example of guns which was mentioned in the thread and is a pretty hot divisive topic and found something ridiculous and is a democratic view of republicans. (35% of republicans believe you should be able to carry a gun without a permit.)

You did the same thing with some republican perspective of democrats and found a link or two here and there of some polls that state that X percentage of democrats believe in y, and try to pass it off that it proves those ideas are not exceedingly rare but pervasive.

You really should start understanding that just because it says it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true. Let's take that Marist poll for instance...1346 adults that were surveyed by someone calling their landline (who the hell has a landline in 2022) or their mobile and answering questions. What sane person 1.) has time for that nonsense and 2.) actually answers spam calls and then keeps staying on the line after identifying that its a spam call? Then you, extrapolate that 1346 people from the 300 million + that live in the US and think you have done something?

Case closed

[XU_Lou]

Let me spell it out for you, so maybe you can finally understand Lou....I took one example of guns which was mentioned in the thread and is a pretty hot divisive topic and found something ridiculous and is a democratic view of republicans. (35% of republicans believe you should be able to carry a gun without a permit.)

You did the same thing with some republican perspective of democrats and found a link or two here and there of some polls that state that X percentage of democrats believe in y, and try to pass it off that it proves those ideas are not exceedingly rare but pervasive.

You really should start understanding that just because it says it on the internet, doesn't mean it's true.

Do you know what a non-sequitur is? You're the king of it. But seriously, nice try at trying to change what actually transpired.

You lost, as usual, Sir Black Knight.

[paulxu]

Yeah Paul..some whackadoodle right wingers tweeting is totally the same thing as a nation-wide, party-backed movement that literally put ballot initiatives forward to defund local law enforcement. Totally apples to apples on that one. Some of your finest work IMO

There were a lot of ballot initiatives last year for restructuring, more training, etc. Only one I could find that was an "advisory" to city council to defund.
Not sure about any nation wide party backed movement to defund the police.

https://ballotpedia.org/Notable_local_police-related_ballot_measures_(2021)

You may be repeating a narrative that was a right wing rallying cry for months. Good for making people believe a whole party actually backs something it never has. Sort of like MTG's tweet. I don't think the Republican party backs defunding the FBI.

[GoMuskies]

You may be repeating a narrative that was a right wing rallying cry for months.

Holy fuck. You can NOT be serious.

[Xville]

Do you know what a non-sequitur is? You're the king of it. But seriously, nice try at trying to change what actually transpired.

You lost, as usual, Sir Black Knight.

Nice try at deflecting. What I pointed out is exactly what happened, or would you like to move the goal posts again?

You believe that posting a bunch of links to nonsense polls makes it look like those views are not exceedingly rare but pervasive. My retort was why that was nonsense.

[X-band '01]

Our new "common sense Republican" participant in the thread walks right in and aligns himself with Lou. Perfect.

I recall XVille as a pretty staunch conservative/Republican type, but at this point I expect he'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in '24. Point being, I don't think you guys are doing a very good job at being persuasive, which is kinda important in politics. At least it used to be, because the Democrats (here and elsehwere) really suck at the art of persuasion these days too.

I thought Larry Hogan was his guy. Then again, that's assuming he jumps into the shark tank with all the other crazies who will throw their hats into the ring in 2024.

[Caf]

So you state that you "don’t know enough about" my stances, but then turnaround and proclaim that, "Your image of Democratic people’s views are focusing on the extreme."

??????

Sorry, I call balls and strikes. If you don't like it, tough shit. Just because the Dems have lurched to the 10 yard line in recent years, doesn't mean that midfield is now on the 30.

Furthermore,

"The Democrats as portrayed by right wing media (obsessed with pronouns, want 100% open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns) are exceedingly rare."

Sorry, what you're trying to say here simply isn't true. The attitudes among Democrats (elected and voters) on all 4 of these topics is far more pervasive than "exceedingly rare". To deny that is simply being out of touch with reality.

I’ll look out for your policy opinions more but your posts generally fall more in the soap opera of American politics than real world issues which gives a good reflection of what you think of the democrats. Which you’ve again expressed here. By the way I’m still waiting for a single person to say they like Biden for any reason other than not being Trump. Maybe it’s just not pervasive here.

EDIT: Removing format mess

[noteggs]

Holy fuck. You can NOT be serious.

Wait a minute mister, just because 20 liberal cities defunded the police one way or the other doesn’t make it true? Who knew black, brown, and white people think police are a good thing? Strange times…

[paulxu]

Holy fuck. You can NOT be serious.

See. They were successful.

[Xuperman]

Our new "common sense Republican" participant in the thread walks right in and aligns himself with Lou. Perfect.

I recall XVille as a pretty staunch conservative/Republican type, but at this point I expect he'd vote for Elizabeth Warren in '24. Point being, I don't think you guys are doing a very good job at being persuasive, which is kinda important in politics. At least it used to be, because the Democrats (here and elsehwere) really suck at the art of persuasion these days too.

Lou is basically just another guy that is totally pissed off at how this "Fundamentally Transform America" agenda is weakening our country. Most everyone I associate with are in agreement.

Where we differ, he doesn't seem to understand that Trump seeking the nomination in '24 is political suicide. He doesn't understand that his toxic baggage makes it highly unlikely that he can ever expand his base. Something needs to happen that will force Trump to step away and throw his support behind someone that can build on his America First policies. Game, Set, Match.

[Xuperman]

Open Border policies and some energy policies im with you on. There has been nothing this administration has done in regards to defund the police, CRT, pronoun usage etc. Those type of things may have been implemented to varying degrees at local or state level guided by the crazies

Your a squirrelly dude 'ville,

Yes, this progressive madness has totally consumed nearly every large city in America, because for the most part, every aspect of city government is run by extreme left individuals. Any Federal Law/Policy is extremely hard to implement and takes time. Just imagine what THIS Democratic Party could do with 6 more years in control of the WH and both Houses? It's horrifying to think about!

However, if you don't think the top leaders of this Democratic Party don't support this progressive crap, you're not paying attention. The freakin' VP herself STARTED a recent speech where she emphasized her PREFERRED PRONOUNS....it was like a SNL skit. She also publically promoted a bail fund to release rioters in MN. The VICE PRESIDENT!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/minnesota-bail-fund-promoted-kamala-harris-freed-convict-now-charged-murder

Glad to see that you agree on the daily nightmare at our southern boarder. I going to assume it disturbs you a great deal. But, it's happening and you have to ask yourself, what lunatic could possibly be in favor of this disaster? I'll answer that for you.....The F'ing PRESIDENT of the United States.

[GoMuskies]

See. They were successful.

I didn't realize you were THIS far gone. Defund the police was a right wing rallying cry. Jesus.

[paulxu]

I was implying that it was a right wing smear of Democrats as a whole...and it was successful in making a lot of Republicans think that it was an actual Democratic position, or something the party as a whole was behind.

Of course it wasn't, but many Republicans bought into the narrative. Hopefully not all of them.

Edit: just as MTG suggesting that the FBI should be defunded is not something I would think most Republicans support.

[GoMuskies]

It was a pretty widespread idea among Democrats. Almost universal among progressives.

If Cori Bush was the only Democrat calling for it, I'd agree it was similar to MTG calling to defund the FBI. I think those two are a pretty good comp on opposite ends of the spectrum.

[Smails]

I didn't realize you were THIS far gone. Defund the police was a right wing rallying cry. Jesus.

I'm telling you..the man lives in an alternate universe. Zero..I mean zero ability to see any warts on the party he worships. Defund the Police actually happened, Paul...and the consequences are playing out on the news every night. Defund the FBI was a tweet by a loon. You trying to compare the two is completely ridiculous and yet you keep doubling down. Very DJT of you. Please try to connect the dots here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community

[paulxu]

From the article that you just linked to:


Local lawmakers largely ignored activists’ pleas, and police spending has tripled over the last 40 years, helping to make the US a world leader in incarceration and police killings. Even as cities have faced financial shortfalls, local governments consistently spent an increasing share of their general funds on police (despite repeated research showing that increasing police funding does not correlate to reduced crime).

Many of the "cuts" were actually reallocated dollars to other areas to reduce crime on a long term basis.

[Xuperman]

I'm telling you..the man lives in an alternate universe. Zero..I mean zero ability to see any warts on the party he worships. Defund the Police actually happened, Paul...and the consequences are playing out on the news every night. Defund the FBI was a tweet by a loon. You trying to compare the two is completely ridiculous and yet you keep doubling down. Very DJT of you. Please try to connect the dots here.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/mar/07/us-cities-defund-police-transferring-money-community

"Defund the Police" is not smart politically for these progressives, regardless of what they really think.

However, the term "Anti-Law Enforcement" is far more easy to label these far left extremists, because it's on full display in nearly every major city. It's really just the BLM agenda being implemented. Progressive DAs and Judges are actively in sync with drastically softening Criminal Sentencing guidelines or just simply refusing to prosecute. That along with these ridiculous No Bond policies, things have become flat out dangerous and 100% responsible for the out of control crime in these cities.

Now here is how the "Defund Police" becomes reality, in a roundabout way. It is a by product of the above. Big City cops are fed up with this crap and are leaving in steadily increasing numbers, whether that be seeking out positions in the suburbs, retiring or just changing careers altogether. The cops that do stay are basically just picking up a paycheck, because in many cases they fear the smothering scrutiny involved in engaging with criminals.

Also, did you know that shoplifting is legal? This is shear madness folks.

[GoMuskies]

BYU has unbanned the fan wrongly accused of heckling a black Dook volleyballer.

No word yet on whether Dawn Staley will change her mind and risk taking her young black players from the comfort of South Carolina to potentially face racism.

https://byucougars.com/story/athletics/1300724/statement-byu-athletics-regarding-investigation-aug-26-volleyball-match

[Caf]

I was implying that it was a right wing smear of Democrats as a whole...and it was successful in making a lot of Republicans think that it was an actual Democratic position, or something the party as a whole was behind.

Of course it wasn't, but many Republicans bought into the narrative. Hopefully not all of them.

Edit: just as MTG suggesting that the FBI should be defunded is not something I would think most Republicans support.

'Defund the Police' is a bad enough branded message that it seems like a spin from Frank Luntz ie 'Estate Tax' v. 'Death Tax', but I think it is from the Civil Rights Era.

The public has strongly gone the other way on the topic and wants more spending.

"We need more policemen, not fewer policemen." - Joe Biden, source Fox News Biden touts support for law enforcement in fiery speech, glosses over Democrats who wanted to defund police (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-touts-support-law-enforcement-fiery-speech-glosses-democrats-who-wanted-defund-police)

I am fairly sure he pushed against it in the State of the Union too.

[Caf]

BYU has unbanned the fan wrongly accused of heckling a black Dook volleyballer.

No word yet on whether Dawn Staley will change her mind and risk taking her young black players from the comfort of South Carolina to potentially face racism.

https://byucougars.com/story/athletics/1300724/statement-byu-athletics-regarding-investigation-aug-26-volleyball-match

Similar vein, the bakery going after Oberlin for being wrongly accused and protested for profiling just got a pretty check. Oberlin Says It Will Pay $36.59 Million to a Local Bakery - NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/08/us/oberlin-bakery-lawsuit.html)

[Xville]

BYU has unbanned the fan wrongly accused of heckling a black Dook volleyballer.

No word yet on whether Dawn Staley will change her mind and risk taking her young black players from the comfort of South Carolina to potentially face racism.

https://byucougars.com/story/athletics/1300724/statement-byu-athletics-regarding-investigation-aug-26-volleyball-match

Good to hear, now I hope the godmother gets in trouble. Staley can eat a big bag of dicks…

[Masterofreality]

I don't think it's the girl as much as the godmother. The godmother appears to be a horrible person...so of course she's a politician currently running for office.

Total fabrication, pushed by the NYT, USA Today, and ESPN.
And there will NEVER be a retraction from any of them.
Jussie revisited.

http://byucougars.com/story/athletics/1300724/statement-byu-athletics-regarding-investigation-aug-26-volleyball-match

[Masterofreality]

I was implying that it was a right wing smear of Democrats as a whole...and it was successful in making a lot of Republicans think that it was an actual Democratic position, or something the party as a whole was behind.

Of course it wasn't, but many Republicans bought into the narrative. Hopefully not all of them..

Well, yeah. It kind of IS the Democratic position.

Democrats/Fetterman to hold pro-abortion rally on 9-11 with anti-cop-activist

https://freebeacon.com/democrats/fetterman-to-hold-pro-abortion-rally-on-9-11-with-anti-cop-activist/

[XU_Lou]

Total fabrication, pushed by the NYT, USA Today, and ESPN.
And there will NEVER be a retraction from any of them.
Jussie revisited.

http://byucougars.com/story/athletics/1300724/statement-byu-athletics-regarding-investigation-aug-26-volleyball-match

No doubt.... just more crazy-ass Democrats obsessed with pronouns, open borders, critical race theory, and endless shutdowns.....

[Caf]

No doubt.... just more crazy-ass Democrats obsessed with pronouns, open borders, critical race theory, and endless shutdowns.....

Yeah good point. If you support Democrats you support this.

[XU_Lou]

Yeah good point. If you support Democrats you support this.

No doubt, the polls clearly show this.

[XU_Lou]

Crazy-ass Democrats obsessed with pronouns, open borders, critical race theory, endless shutdowns - and soft on crime policies - result in mother being beheaded in the street: https://abc7news.com/san-carlos-murder-woman-beheaded-in-front-of-kids-jose-solano-landaeta-killed/12213435/

[paulxu]

Republicans supporting the police:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS-DvhQSog

[XU_Lou]

Great rendition of a Neil Young classic:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9n0rywEq9z8

[Smails]

Republicans supporting the police:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PXS-DvhQSog

LOL...you can't help yourself. Keep doubling down DJT, and die on that hill. Or you could act like a grown-up and simply admit that 'defund the police' was a real thing pushed forward by a progressive agenda...and it was an absolute disaster. Thank god the sane dems have walked it back.

[paulxu]

No "sane dems" or the party as a whole ever put it forward to have to walk back.
But you guys played it up well.

[Strange Brew]

No "sane dems" or the party as a whole ever put it forward to have to walk back.
But you guys played it up well.

Harris?

[paulxu]

Harris?

You may have been fooled by this;

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-police-tweet/fact-check-fabricated-kamala-harris-tweet-on-removing-cop-account-from-instagram-idUSKBN26Q220

[Strange Brew]

You may have been fooled by this;

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-kamala-harris-police-tweet/fact-check-fabricated-kamala-harris-tweet-on-removing-cop-account-from-instagram-idUSKBN26Q220

Nope, didn’t read that one.

[Smails]

No "sane dems" or the party as a whole ever put it forward to have to walk back.
But you guys played it up well.

Cori Bush- US Congresswoman - Missouri "Defunding the police isn't radical, it's real,"

Ilhan Omar- US Congresswoman, MN- The "defund the police" movement, is one of reimagining the current police system to build an entity that does not violate us, while relocating funds to invest in community services. Let’s be clear, the people who now oppose this, have always opposed calls for systematic change"

Jamall Bowman- US Congressman, NY "Too many police in our country are more concerned with protecting white supremacy than serving the communities that pay their salaries"

That took about a 2 minute google search. Are these members of the Democratic party not sane?

It's comical to hear people trying walk back a narrative that they thought was soooo progressive and cool when the anti-police mob was at its height of popularity. Now that we're in an election cycle Dems are running as fast as they can. "We're the party of law and order!!" Let's just act like defund the police, autonomous zones, BLM riots, blatant disregarding our immigration laws, and rampant crime in our largest dem-run cities never happened. Nothing to see here..move along.

[paulxu]

People who want to allocate some part of the public safety budget of cities for programs that help people, aren't necessarily "defunding" the police.
They are seeking alternative approaches to reducing crime and improving public safety, often by adding dollars to the public safety budget.
Do you have some outliers? Sure, just look at wacky MTG. She doesn't represent the Republican party's approach to law and order with her Defund the FBI nonsense. There are certainly Dem outliers also.

But let's go scream all Dems want to defund the police. It's a good narrative, and keeps the base riled up.

[XU_Lou]

People who want to allocate some part of the public safety budget of cities for programs that help people, aren't necessarily "defunding" the police.
They are seeking alternative approaches to reducing crime and improving public safety, often by adding dollars to the public safety budget.
Do you have some outliers? Sure, just look at wacky MTG. She doesn't represent the Republican party's approach to law and order with her Defund the FBI nonsense. There are certainly Dem outliers also.

But let's go scream all Dems want to defund the police. It's a good narrative, and keeps the base riled up.

How many soft-on-crime, Soros-backed DAs are there in the country?

How many Democrat-run cities have soft-on-crime policies that are allowing crime to run rampant in their cities?

Democrats own this - you are part of the problem! People like Eliza Fletcher are dead because of you, Paul.

[paulxu]

But let's go scream all Dems want to defund the police. It's a good narrative, and keeps the base riled up.


How many soft-on-crime, Soros-backed DAs are there in the country?

How many Democrat-run cities have soft-on-crime policies that are allowing crime to run rampant in their cities?

Democrats own this - you are part of the problem! People like Eliza Fletcher are dead because of you, Paul.

I appreciate you proving my point.

[GoMuskies]

Republicans pounce, eh Paul?

[xukeith]

One political party has owned majority of urban cities for 60 years and they can't fix much. Crap. More crap. Crime. more crime.

[bobbiemcgee]

It's a problem everywhere:

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

[GoMuskies]

It's a problem everywhere:

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

Is it a red state murder problem or a blue cith within red state murder problem? Would be interesting to do a heat map of the murders within those states.

[X-band '01]

Cori Bush- US Congresswoman - Missouri "Defunding the police isn't radical, it's real,"

Ilhan Omar- US Congresswoman, MN- The "defund the police" movement, is one of reimagining the current police system to build an entity that does not violate us, while relocating funds to invest in community services. Let’s be clear, the people who now oppose this, have always opposed calls for systematic change"

Jamall Bowman- US Congressman, NY "Too many police in our country are more concerned with protecting white supremacy than serving the communities that pay their salaries"

That took about a 2 minute google search. Are these members of the Democratic party not sane?

It's comical to hear people trying walk back a narrative that they thought was soooo progressive and cool when the anti-police mob was at its height of popularity. Now that we're in an election cycle Dems are running as fast as they can. "We're the party of law and order!!" Let's just act like defund the police, autonomous zones, BLM riots, blatant disregarding our immigration laws, and rampant crime in our largest dem-run cities never happened. Nothing to see here..move along.

Omar barely won her primary - she'll win the general election given that her district is heavily Democratic, but there are no guarantees that she'll be able to continue getting elected in the future.

[Smails]

People who want to allocate some part of the public safety budget of cities for programs that help people, aren't necessarily "defunding" the police.
They are seeking alternative approaches to reducing crime and improving public safety, often by adding dollars to the public safety budget.
Do you have some outliers? Sure, just look at wacky MTG. She doesn't represent the Republican party's approach to law and order with her Defund the FBI nonsense. There are certainly Dem outliers also.

But let's go scream all Dems want to defund the police. It's a good narrative, and keeps the base riled up.

Outliers? Do you realize that 42% of polled democrats supported defunding the police in 2020. The sheep got all riled up in mob rule and supported something that has had terrible consequences. Fast forward to 2022 and they can't run away fast enough. Also in 2020 41% of democrats said that violent crime in our cities was a major concern. Fast forward to 2022 and that number sits at 61%. I wonder what has changed....hmmmm? Election cycle maybe? Spike in violent crime due to an anti-law enforcement narrative? Understaffed police departments due to massive resignations? All of the above?

What are your thoughts on the statements from Cori Bush, Omar and Jamall Bowman...do you consider them 'sane'?

[paulxu]

The Big Lie lives on to disrupt our system:


This November, a staggering 60 percent of American voters will have a candidate (for House, Senate, governor, secretary of state and/or attorney general) who refuses to accept the 2020 election outcome on their ballots, according to this alarming new analysis by FiveThirtyEight.

118 election deniers running for the House have at least a 95 chance of winning, per the analysis.
Only 30 percent of GOP nominees actually accept the 2020 election in some form (they either “fully accepted” it or “accepted with reservations”).
And only 74 Republican candidates out of the total 540 fully accept the election results.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/republicans-trump-election-fraud/

[Xuperman]

I am guessing that poll numbers would far exceed those, if Dems where ask if Trump colluded with Russia to steal the election from Clinton.

As a matter of fact, there are scores and scores of videos from Dems of ALL types screaming "Trump is an illegitimate President".

Actually, I don't think you could point to ONE major Democrat, that is on the record, saying Trump won fair and square.....not ONE!!!

Your Party is 100% consumed with blind hatred. That will/is going to disrupt our "System".

[paulxu]

Trump has never won the popular vote. But despite concerns about outside influences in the 2016 election as noted by the Republican led intelligence committee, Clinton conceded to Trump and wished him well:


Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country,” Clinton said. “I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans

As did the Democratic Leader in the House

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) on Wednesday congratulated Donald Trump on winning the presidency and said in a statement that she would “pray for his success.”

“The peaceful transfer of power is the cornerstone of our democracy,” Pelosi said.

Would that the leaders of the Republican party were half as mature.

[Strange Brew]

Trump has never won the popular vote. But despite concerns about outside influences in the 2016 election as noted by the Republican led intelligence committee, Clinton conceded to Trump and wished him well:



As did the Democratic Leader in the House


Would that the leaders of the Republican party were half as mature.

She then proceeded to spend the next couple of years calling Trump illegitimate.

[paulxu]

Get back to me when Trump calls Biden to concede and offer his congratulations, and to work with him on behalf of the country.
He's already got all of you convinced the election was stolen. Maybe he could mature a little.

(that doesn't mean taking National Archives or intelligence documents to a resort)

[Strange Brew]

Get back to me when Trump calls Biden to concede and offer his congratulations, and to work with him on behalf of the country.
He's already got all of you convinced the election was stolen. Maybe he could mature a little.

(that doesn't mean taking National Archives or intelligence documents to a resort)

I'm not convinced but you'd really, really like us to be. To fit your narrative....

[xubrew]

The Senate Republicans are introducing a bill that would make it illegal to have an abortion after 15 weeks.

What the hell are they doing??

It has NO chance of passing, and even if it does, which it won't, there's no way in hell Biden would sign it. All they're going to end up accomplishing is whooping the Democratic base into a frenzy, which is the last thing they want to be doing right now!! The Democrats can use this to grow their base. People who are not politically active and don't normally vote will now have a reason to show up at the midterms and vote Blue.

What the hell are they doing??

Generally, it's only the Democrats that are this stupid and this non-strategic. I think what REALLY put the nail in the coffin for the GOP back in 2020 as far as losing both the House and the Senate was the ACB being rushed through to the Supreme Court. That outraged Team Blue and gave the Dems the final rallying cry that they needed. But at least the Republicans got something out of it! They won't get a damn thing out of this!!

WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING!!??

[bobbiemcgee]

I think Paul's dopey senator was trying to energize his conservative base, but, of course, did just the opposite. Mitch panned the idea already. 70% of America wanted to to let Roe stand. Nice fodder for the midterms.

[GoMuskies]

Pew says 57-41 against. Not that polls should guide Supreme Court decisions.

[Xville]

80% of polls and stats are crap

[bobbiemcgee]

Unless you find one you like. 69% 538. Murkowski introducing bill to codify Roe.

[Strange Brew]

Unless you find one you like. 69% 538. Murkowski introducing bill to codify Roe.

That law will likely be challenged and thrown out by the Court. Without and Amendment the Court declared the Fed doesn't have that power.

Not my issue but that's likely how it would play out.

[paulxu]

I think Paul's dopey senator was trying to energize his conservative base, but, of course, did just the opposite. Mitch panned the idea already. 70% of America wanted to to let Roe stand. Nice fodder for the midterms.

I don't want to disparage the people in my state, but the men probably think 15 weeks is late-term.

I'm pretty sure, however, that the women are a little bit smarter.

[Strange Brew]

Some Pro-Aborts don’t want to have the conversation around number of weeks or limits because to do so realizes in law that the fetus is a life while in the womb.

[GoMuskies]

15 doesn't seem particuarly extreme. Not particularly out of line with much of Europe.

[Caf]

The Senate Republicans are introducing a bill that would make it illegal to have an abortion after 15 weeks.

What the hell are they doing??

It has NO chance of passing, and even if it does, which it won't, there's no way in hell Biden would sign it. All they're going to end up accomplishing is whooping the Democratic base into a frenzy, which is the last thing they want to be doing right now!! The Democrats can use this to grow their base. People who are not politically active and don't normally vote will now have a reason to show up at the midterms and vote Blue.

What the hell are they doing??

Generally, it's only the Democrats that are this stupid and this non-strategic. I think what REALLY put the nail in the coffin for the GOP back in 2020 as far as losing both the House and the Senate was the ACB being rushed through to the Supreme Court. That outraged Team Blue and gave the Dems the final rallying cry that they needed. But at least the Republicans got something out of it! They won't get a damn thing out of this!!

WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING!!??

There is not much room to lose on the democrat turnout in response to abortion. If someone was going to turnout for a 15 week bill that will not pass odds are they were already going to turn out just for the overturn. This could be their new front to keep the topic alive for pro life voters who may have considered the issue closed.

[UCGRAD4X]

The Senate Republicans are introducing a bill that would make it illegal to have an abortion after 15 weeks.

What the hell are they doing??

It has NO chance of passing, and even if it does, which it won't, there's no way in hell Biden would sign it. All they're going to end up accomplishing is whooping the Democratic base into a frenzy, which is the last thing they want to be doing right now!! The Democrats can use this to grow their base. People who are not politically active and don't normally vote will now have a reason to show up at the midterms and vote Blue.
-
What the hell are they doing??

Generally, it's only the Democrats that are this stupid and this non-strategic. I think what REALLY put the nail in the coffin for the GOP back in 2020 as far as losing both the House and the Senate was the ACB being rushed through to the Supreme Court. That outraged Team Blue and gave the Dems the final rallying cry that they needed. But at least the Republicans got something out of it! They won't get a damn thing out of this!!

WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY DOING!!??

You WAY underestimate the lack of strategic ineptitude of the repubs.

[paulxu]

With all the talk about rigged elections/stolen elections by Republicans and their media, when an actual example of voter fraud comes out, it seems to always be Republicans. Not just run of the mill voters, but election officials busting into voting machines, fake electors, or just out and out making votes up. Strange that.

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/Rensselaer-County-s-Republican-elections-17438122.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-spotlight

[Strange Brew]

With all the talk about rigged elections/stolen elections by Republicans and their media, when an actual example of voter fraud comes out, it seems to always be Republicans. Not just run of the mill voters, but election officials busting into voting machines, fake electors, or just out and out making votes up. Strange that.

https://www.timesunion.com/state/article/Rensselaer-County-s-Republican-elections-17438122.php?IPID=Times-Union-HP-CP-spotlight

FL prosecuted some Dems for voter fraud and a D is involved in the murder of a journalist. Read more sources Paul.

[Smails]

What are your thoughts on the statements from Cori Bush, Omar and Jamall Bowman...do you consider them 'sane'?

Paul- care to answer? You said no sane democrats got behind the defund the police movement..yet the data really suggests otherwise.

[Smails]

He's already got all of you convinced the election was stolen.



I assume you are talking to this board when you say 'all of you.' Who on this board thinks the election was stolen, Paul?

[Caf]

The inflation landscape is getting absurd. Revolutions in Europe are certainly incoming. We feel it bad here with 8.3% inflation but over the same period the dollar is up 18% and should be heading higher assuming the Fed does not change course. The opposite for the Euro which is down 15.3% YoY. For all the mockery of calling inflation transitory, which is 100% fair, interest rate hikes moves have not moved the needle. The Fed is now of course hell bent on not being accused of underreacting and is talking a big game. We'll see if a market crash scares Powell dovish like it did last time. I would equate what they're doing now, killing growth to try to slow inflation, to killing people to solve hunger. Oh and we're on the doorstep of a rail strike.

[paulxu]

People who want to allocate some part of the public safety budget of cities for programs that help people, aren't necessarily "defunding" the police.
They are seeking alternative approaches to reducing crime and improving public safety, often by adding dollars to the public safety budget.
Do you have some outliers? Sure, just look at wacky MTG. She doesn't represent the Republican party's approach to law and order with her Defund the FBI nonsense. There are certainly Dem outliers also.

But let's go scream all Dems want to defund the police. It's a good narrative, and keeps the base riled up.


Paul- care to answer? You said no sane democrats got behind the defund the police movement..yet the data really suggests otherwise.

I responded to your earlier same question with the response noted above. The rhetoric from most politicians was addressing additional funding or reallocating resources within a budget to address lowering crime statistics with other, proven measures. Sure there are firebrands who probably want the police disbanded for some stupid reason. But I don't see that as any party policy or offered as a solution by any leaders.

[Xville]

Paul- care to answer? You said no sane democrats got behind the defund the police movement..yet the data really suggests otherwise.

While I do think there was a democratic outcry for defund the police for a bit, I wouldn't necessarily say it was a democratic platform....and yeah Cori Bush and Ilman are basically the MGTs of the democratic party.

[paulxu]

I assume you are talking to this board when you say 'all of you.' Who on this board thinks the election was stolen, Paul?

Sorry; was referring to the millions of Republicans who still believe that as evidenced by recent polling.
I would hope people on this board are smarter than that. Maybe we should take a poll here?

[GoMuskies]

The inflation landscape is getting absurd. Revolutions in Europe are certainly incoming. We feel it bad here with 8.3% inflation but over the same period the dollar is up 18% and should be heading higher assuming the Fed does not change course. The opposite for the Euro which is down 15.3% YoY. For all the mockery of calling inflation transitory, which is 100% fair, interest rate hikes moves have not moved the needle. The Fed is now of course hell bent on not being accused of underreacting and is talking a big game. We'll see if a market crash scares Powell dovish like it did last time. I would equate what they're doing now, killing growth to try to slow inflation, to killing people to solve hunger. Oh and we're on the doorstep of a rail strike.

We're going to have a fantastic winter here compared to what's going to happen in Europe. The cost of energy there is just absurd. Pray for mild weather.

[xubrew]

We're going to have a fantastic winter here compared to what's going to happen in Europe. The cost of energy there is just absurd. Pray for mild weather.

I've thought about moving to Europe for years. About a three or four months ago I came as close to doing it as I ever have. Was even discussing potential jobs and places to live. My issue was that while I'd like to live over there for a while, the key phrase is 'FOR A WHILE.' I have enough money to easily go a year without working. But the issue is that I love the job I have over here, and the chances of it still being there for me after leaving it for a year are pretty much zero. So...I decided against it.

I rarely say this about myself, but...GOOD DECISION!!!

[xukeith]

The inflation landscape is getting absurd. Revolutions in Europe are certainly incoming. We feel it bad here with 8.3% inflation but over the same period the dollar is up 18% and should be heading higher assuming the Fed does not change course. The opposite for the Euro which is down 15.3% YoY. For all the mockery of calling inflation transitory, which is 100% fair, interest rate hikes moves have not moved the needle. The Fed is now of course hell bent on not being accused of underreacting and is talking a big game. We'll see if a market crash scares Powell dovish like it did last time. I would equate what they're doing now, killing growth to try to slow inflation, to killing people to solve hunger. Oh and we're on the doorstep of a rail strike.

Fed plans of slowing economy and incresing layoffs to lower inflation. he might be on a 4 year plan cycle. He was late to the game in April.

[Smails]

While I do think there was a democratic outcry for defund the police for a bit, I wouldn't necessarily say it was a democratic platform....and yeah Cori Bush and Ilman are basically the MGTs of the democratic party.

Definitely not a platform, but to say it was just a few outliers is (which has been suggested) is false. 40+% supported the movement at one time. Now that has certainly calmed down, thank god, but it just goes to show the gullibility of the mob when something 'sounds cool and progressive'

[Smails]

But I don't see that as any party policy or offered as a solution by any leaders.

Aren't Cori Bush, Jamall Bowman and Ilisn Omar considered leaders?

[paulxu]

Aren't Cori Bush, Jamall Bowman and Ilisn Omar considered leaders?

Yes, but as I indicated, many of their comments about "defunding the police" are directed at reallocating resources in a public safety budget to include increasing other methods that have proven successful in that arena.

Curiously, sometimes money talks in getting people to look for alternative methods of "policing."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2022/police-misconduct-insurance-settlements-reform/?itid=hp_most-read_1

I hadn't heard about shooting a dart thing with a GPS tracker onto the back of a car.

[Caf]

Aren't Cori Bush, Jamall Bowman and Ilisn Omar considered leaders?

Googling Ilhan* would certainly make you think so based on her coverage. Realistically this group and AOC is a thorn in Pelosi's side she's been pretty good at keeping "quiet" as of late. I think reasonable Americans and Democrats ignore them unless they agree, "Progressive Left" is about 6% of the public, 12% of Dems per Pew.

Out of curiosity, where's the 40% support number from? Surprising, but don't doubt it, that was a crazy summer. There is no better example of the bifurcated democratic party/voter ideology than that summer. There was such huge momentum after George Floyd's killing, hard line conservatives included, and they completely fumbled it. Nothing to show for it. Why? Because on every single topic there is an ocean between the least and most liberal person and the most liberal people are tripping over each other to go further then villainizing anyone who does not agree with the view they came up with yesterday.

[xubrew]

Ron DeSantis reportedly sent two planes full of immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. Greg Abbott sent two busloads full of immigrants to DC.

I admit that I have mixed feelings about this. I also admit that not all of them are bad. If they claim to be a sanctuary city, state, or community, then be one! You have no grounds to be upset that immigrants are being transported to your communities rather than being deported or arrested. Thank you for providing them with an alternative. Now they need to walk the walk and actually try to assimilate them into their communities. If they don't want to do that, then they need to shut the hell up.

Full disclosure, earlier in life I did what was called an "Urban Learning Semester" while at Xavier. I quickly grew very tired of people who wanted to be seen helping the homeless, the addicts, the jobless, and the low income people living in public housing week to week, but never actually wanted to...you know...do anything that helped. They didn't want to actually spend time with anyone and have actual human to human interactions. They just wanted to be a false advocate for them. A little piece of that is still with me. If you want to help immigrants who are fleeing a horrible life situation, then I think that's great! I really do. But if all you want is a political platform, and don't really want to help, and are furthermore actually upset when they arrive on your own doorstep, then please shut the hell up and please go away.

But, do I also think Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott are doing this simply to be dickheads?? Yeah...probably.

Rant over.

[xuwillie]

Ron DeSantis reportedly sent two planes full of immigrants to Martha's Vineyard. Greg Abbott sent two busloads full of immigrants to DC.

I admit that I have mixed feelings about this. I also admit that not all of them are bad. If they claim to be a sanctuary city, state, or community, then be one! You have no grounds to be upset that immigrants are being transported to your communities rather than being deported or arrested. Thank you for providing them with an alternative. Now they need to walk the walk and actually try to assimilate them into their communities. If they don't want to do that, then they need to shut the hell up.

Full disclosure, earlier in life I did what was called an "Urban Learning Semester" while at Xavier. I quickly grew very tired of people who wanted to be seen helping the homeless, the addicts, the jobless, and the low income people living in public housing week to week, but never actually wanted to...you know...do anything that helped. They didn't want to actually spend time with anyone and have actual human to human interactions. They just wanted to be a false advocate for them. A little piece of that is still with me. If you want to help immigrants who are fleeing a horrible life situation, then I think that's great! I really do. But if all you want is a political platform, and don't really want to help, and are furthermore actually upset when they arrive on your own doorstep, then please shut the hell up and please go away.

But, do I also think Ron DeSantis and Greg Abbott are doing this simply to be dickheads?? Yeah...probably.

Rant over.

Ha that's pretty much every liberal I know. Most would lose their minds if buses started showing up here.

[xubrew]

Ha that's pretty much every liberal I know. Most would lose their minds if buses started showing up here.

I know. Like I said, I’ve got mixed feelings. And a piece of me is smiling about this. Not all of me, but admittedly a substantial piece of me.

[GoMuskies]

Twitter is pretty amusing on this topic. People are OUTRAGED that DeSantis and Abbott would use these people as pawns. They're so upset "on behalf of the migrants". Yeah, right. These migrants can be stuck in shitty border towns in Texas or can be stuck in Martha's Vinyard or DC or Chicago. What are the odds that people are ACTUALLY upset on behalf of the migrants and not on behalf of the NIMBYS?

[xubrew]

I know. Like I said, I’ve got mixed feelings. And a piece of me is smiling about this. Not all of me, but admittedly a substantial piece of me.


Twitter is pretty amusing on this topic. People are OUTRAGED that DeSantis and Abbott would use these people as pawns. They're so upset "on behalf of the migrants". Yeah, right. These migrants can be stuck in shitty border towns in Texas or can be stuck in Martha's Vinyard or DC or Chicago. What are the odds that people are ACTUALLY upset on behalf of the migrants and not on behalf of the NIMBYS?


Yup!!

A part of me is smiling

[xuphan]

Twitter is pretty amusing on this topic. People are OUTRAGED that DeSantis and Abbott would use these people as pawns. They're so upset "on behalf of the migrants". Yeah, right. These migrants can be stuck in shitty border towns in Texas or can be stuck in Martha's Vinyard or DC or Chicago. What are the odds that people are ACTUALLY upset on behalf of the migrants and not on behalf of the NIMBYS?

My only issue is busing them to different parts of the county. There are more resources to hide them away and hide the problem from the public. They should all be transported to one location (the White House/capital building). DC won’t be able to handle the influx of migrants. Let the Dems in Washington deal with this problem that they have caused.

[paulxu]

Or maybe bus them to locations where employers are having difficulty filling job positions.

[Xville]

Or maybe bus them to locations where employers are having difficulty filling job positions.

they do...have you been to a mcdonald's lately?

[Xuperman]

Full disclosure, earlier in life I did what was called an "Urban Learning Semester" while at Xavier. I quickly grew very tired of people who wanted to be seen helping the homeless, the addicts, the jobless, and the low income people living in public housing week to week, but never actually wanted to...you know...do anything that helped. They didn't want to actually spend time with anyone and have actual human to human interactions. They just wanted to be a false advocate for them. A little piece of that is still with me. If you want to help immigrants who are fleeing a horrible life situation, then I think that's great! I really do. But if all you want is a political platform, and don't really want to help, and are furthermore actually upset when they arrive on your own doorstep, then please shut the hell up and please go away.

This perfectly applies to how the Federal AND State Democratic Party has completely screwed Black communities for decades!

[Xville]

This perfectly applies to how the Federal AND State Democratic Party has completely screwed Black communities for decades!

The Whataboutism on this thread is strong. You ever been to the south? South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi ya know Republican strongholds? Let's stop acting like this is all one sided.

[Xuperman]

Or maybe bus them to locations where employers are having difficulty filling job positions.

That is exactly what they're doing! The targeted Dem run Cities are ALL desperate for unskilled labor. There is a job for ANY working age illegal that wants one. But if these idiots are putting them up in Hotels, with FREE EVERYTHING.....why would they go to work at these jobs, Paul?

Note- The Martha Vineyard situation doesn't necessarily apply, more of a 1 finger salute, but I'm sure all them filthy rich Libs can never have enough maids, landscapers and pool boys.

[Xuperman]

The Whataboutism on this thread is strong. You ever been to the south? South Carolina, Alabama, Mississippi ya know Republican strongholds? Let's stop acting like this is all one sided.

You do realize that your talking about States, that STILL to this day, are dealing with the CULTURE established by the Jim Crow Southern Dems after the Civil war?

Wise up ,V'ille.

[Xuperman]

And all you Leftist here stop with the "whataboutism".

It is PARAMOUNT to ANY DEBATE.

[Xville]

And all you Leftist here stop with the "whataboutism".

It is PARAMOUNT to ANY DEBATE.

No, it's not...all it is, is blaming a group of people because of their political affiliation, and btw there was no "debate" you just felt the need to interject your political beliefs on a subject that wasn't even discussing one party or the other.

Both parties are plenty guilty of what Brew described. So sick of the nonsense posted here by both sides pointing fingers at the other when there is PLENTY of blame to go around.

[Xville]

You do realize that your talking about States, that STILL to this day, are dealing with the CULTURE established by the Jim Crow Southern Dems after the Civil war?

Wise up ,V'ille.

Care to explain that one?