Politics Thread

[Muskie in dayton]

Ugh...a simple google search turned up plenty of stories regarding this from what you call MSM. Be better.

How it was reported is significantly different considering those two links are from far right sources and ABC and Washington Post are on the other spectrum.

My assumption based on that, and like most everything else, is that the actual story is somewhere in the middle.
OK, so I use Safari, but I’m game, maybe Google turned up something different. Nope. It was not reported by ABC, CBS or NBC. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

[Muskie in dayton]

I'm going to the Netherlands next week to visit some friends. She has yet to mention this. This is the first I've heard of it.

Another friend I have from Australia, who contracted COVID while she was physically in Australia, didn't mention anything about being taken to an internment camp either.

I'm not saying there's NO truth to these stories. I'm just saying that PERHAPS they are somewhat exaggerated. Just a little bit. Maybe.
Either these things are happening or they are not. They are, and are not being reported. That is my only point.

[Xville]

OK, so I use Safari, but I’m game, maybe Google turned up something different. Nope. It was not reported by ABC, CBS or NBC. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

No, I’m just sick of you and Lou lying your asses off

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/dutch-police-shoot-tractor-night-farm-protests-86287687

Weird… abc

Huh weird another abc article:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/wireStory/explainer-dutch-farmers-protesting-emissions-85848026


Hmm here’s one from Washington post… weird

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/angry-farmers-block-dutch-highways-to-protest-pollution-plan/2022/06/27/b16bc270-f616-11ec-81db-ac07a394a86b_story.html


Are you a politician in real life so lying just comes second nature?

[paulxu]

OK, so I use Safari, but I’m game, maybe Google turned up something different. Nope. It was not reported by ABC, CBS or NBC. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

Do you understand how to use Google?

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/explainer-dutch-farmers-protesting-emissions-85848026

https://www.nbcrightnow.com/politics/thousands-of-dutch-farmers-protest-fearing-government-cuts/article_59b16b05-f0d8-5e58-8145-96ca23a7f8fa.html

https://www.cbs42.com/news/business/explainer-why-are-dutch-farmers-protesting-over-emissions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dutch-pm-condemns-protests-by-farmers-at-ministers-home/2022/06/29/97969c4a-f7a5-11ec-81db-ac07a394a86b_story.html

[noteggs]

Looks like some MSM is starting to take more notice in the Netherlands since police shot at a tractor a day ago. Attached is a pretty good article from the AP last week. From research I’ve done, seems like the more aggressive protests started around June 10th when the new regulations were proposed. Looks like protests actually started in fall of 2019.

What I don’t understand is why are they doing this to an extremely important part of their economy? Not to mention the millions who rely and consume these products. Oh yea, those jobs that will be affected as well.

What is known, this will have some impact on the 54,000 agricultural businesses and the billions of exports. What we don’t know is the actual impact on climate change. I’m all for helping the environment, but come on!

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/explainer-dutch-farmers-protesting-emissions-85848026

[xubrew]

[/B]Either these things are happening or they are not. They are, and are not being reported. That is my only point.


No, I’m just sick of you and Lou lying your asses off

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/International/wireStory/dutch-police-shoot-tractor-night-farm-protests-86287687

Weird… abc

Huh weird another abc article:

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Business/wireStory/explainer-dutch-farmers-protesting-emissions-85848026


Hmm here’s one from Washington post… weird

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/angry-farmers-block-dutch-highways-to-protest-pollution-plan/2022/06/27/b16bc270-f616-11ec-81db-ac07a394a86b_story.html


Are you a politician in real life so lying just comes second nature?


Do you understand how to use Google?

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/explainer-dutch-farmers-protesting-emissions-85848026

https://www.nbcrightnow.com/politics/thousands-of-dutch-farmers-protest-fearing-government-cuts/article_59b16b05-f0d8-5e58-8145-96ca23a7f8fa.html

https://www.cbs42.com/news/business/explainer-why-are-dutch-farmers-protesting-over-emissions/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/dutch-pm-condemns-protests-by-farmers-at-ministers-home/2022/06/29/97969c4a-f7a5-11ec-81db-ac07a394a86b_story.html


If that was you're ONLY point, then I guess you now have no point.

[XU_Lou]

Looks like some MSM is starting to take more notice in the Netherlands since police shot at a tractor a day ago. Attached is a pretty good article from the AP last week. From research I’ve done, seems like the more aggressive protests started around June 10th when the new regulations were proposed. Looks like protests actually started in fall of 2019.

What I don’t understand is why are they doing this to an extremely important part of their economy? Not to mention the millions who rely and consume these products. Oh yea, those jobs that will be affected as well.

What is known, this will have some impact on the 54,000 agricultural businesses and the billions of exports. What we don’t know is the actual impact on climate change. I’m all for helping the environment, but come on!

https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/explainer-dutch-farmers-protesting-emissions-85848026

Exactly - that was my original point... Instead, we get into a pissing match on whether the facts come from right wing or left wing news outlets.

Apparently, some on this board have a hard time discerning facts from hyperbole, and therefore resort to labeling.... So sad that these people apparently were educated at Xavier but came away with an inability to think critically.

[Xville]

Exactly - that was my original point... Instead, we get into a pissing match on whether the facts come from right wing or left wing news outlets.

Apparently, some on this board have a hard time discerning facts from hyperbole, and therefore resort to labeling.... So sad that these people apparently were educated at Xavier but came away with an inability to think critically.

That's not what you call "the pissing match" was about at all and you know it, or you have reading comprehension issues that rise to a whole new level. Lying once again. Shocking!

[XU_Lou]

OK, so I use Safari, but I’m game, maybe Google turned up something different. Nope. It was not reported by ABC, CBS or NBC. You just like to argue for the sake of arguing.

You got that right.... He gets off on attacking conservatives and conservative media, while telling us he's not a liberal....

[Xville]

You have a Distorted reality lou. It’s not conservatives, it’s people who lie to fit their own agenda, like yourself.

[XU_Lou]

You have a Distorted reality lou. It’s not conservatives, it’s people who lie to fit their own agenda, like yourself.

Just out of curiosity, there are now 5 or 6 times where you've claimed that you were going to put me on "ignore". Were you lying in each of those instances?

Or, do you always immediately un-ignore me because you're a narcissist and a masochist?

Asking for a friend....

[XU_Lou]

You have a Distorted reality lou. It’s not conservatives, it’s people who lie to fit their own agenda, like yourself.


Just out of curiosity, were you lying when you took the exact same position as Larry Summers with regards to the reasons for inflation, while also blaming Trump, as somehow an example of you not being "FIRMLY on team LIB"?

I'll hang up and listen to your response....



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That said, can you point to any posts here where you are not FIRMLY on team LIB?


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Wow, really, this is your one and only example that you can cite. You really went out on a limb here by not toting the liberal line.... versus the majority of all your other posts!

1) Hell, Larry Summers of the Obama admin said the same thing with regards to spending (which is really the main driver of inflation, but that's besides the point here).

2) "Basically the last 4-5 years Washington has effed up" - so you're blaming both Trump and Biden here.

How in the hell is this not agreeing with the libs???



There was not one main driver for the inflation we are experiencing today..there are a number of factors as to why we are experiencing this:

---interest rates being kept low while the economy was absolutely booming...causing real estate to absolutely soar----the bust was going to come, just a matter of when. Interest rates should have been risen years ago.

---Covid

---War in Ukraine

---Keystone Pipeline being shut down

---Pumping stimulus money out the wazoo into the country at a time that was not needed----which drove consumer spending at a time when there were supply issues.

Basically the last 4-5 years Washington has effed up at every single turn, and that is thru both administrations.

[Xville]

Just out of curiosity, were you lying when you took the exact same position as Larry Summers with regards to the reasons for inflation, while also blaming Trump, as somehow an example of you not being "FIRMLY on team LIB"?

I'll hang up and listen to your response....



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Wow, really, this is your one and only example that you can cite. You really went out on a limb here by not toting the liberal line.... versus the majority of all your other posts!

1) Hell, Larry Summers of the Obama admin said the same thing with regards to spending (which is really the main driver of inflation, but that's besides the point here).

2) "Basically the last 4-5 years Washington has effed up" - so you're blaming both Trump and Biden here.

How in the hell is this not agreeing with the libs???

Are you a complete Neanderthal? Yes blaming both administrations, did I stutter? “ team lib” would just blame trump, I’m blaming both administrations because they are both complicit. they both unnecessarily pumped money into the economy when it was not necessary because neither wanted to be responsible for a recession and thus lose votes for them or for their party. That’s how politics works dumbass. Both handled Covid horribly, both were complicit in keeping interest rates artificially low.. Biden’s energy policies have been horrible by doing such things as shutting down the keystone pipeline which had a hand in causing oil to skyrocket when demand came back to normal. That’s not “ team lib,” it’s team not lou.

[XU_Lou]

Are you a complete Neanderthal? Yes blaming both administrations, did I stutter? “ team lib” would just blame trump, I’m blaming both administrations because they are both complicit. they both unnecessarily pumped money into the economy when it was not necessary because neither wanted to be responsible for a recession and thus lose votes for them or for their party. That’s how politics works dumbass. Both handled Covid horribly, both were complicit in keeping interest rates artificially low.. Biden’s energy policies have been horrible by doing such things as shutting down the keystone pipeline which had a hand in causing oil to skyrocket when demand came back to normal. That’s not “ team lib,” it’s team not lou.

No shit sherlock. Your analysis might be correct, but you cited that as your best example of not being a lib. That was a fucking horrible example, proving either you're a congenital liar, or you truly are a lib because you have nothing else to show that you're not.

For God's sake, come out of the freaking closet and quit pretending.... Everything on this board points to you being a lib.

[Xville]

No shit sherlock. Your analysis might be correct, but you cited that as your best example of not being a lib. That was a fucking horrible example, proving either you're a congenital liar, or you truly are a lib because you have nothing else to show that you're not.

For God's sake, come out of the freaking closet and quit pretending.... Everything on this board points to you being a lib.

Wrong again lou, on multiple fronts.

[Xville]

Just out of curiosity, there are now 5 or 6 times where you've claimed that you were going to put me on "ignore". Were you lying in each of those instances?

Or, do you always immediately un-ignore me because you're a narcissist and a masochist?

Asking for a friend....

Lol like you have friends

[XU_Lou]

Are you a complete Neanderthal? Yes blaming both administrations, did I stutter? “ team lib” would just blame trump, I’m blaming both administrations because they are both complicit. they both unnecessarily pumped money into the economy when it was not necessary because neither wanted to be responsible for a recession and thus lose votes for them or for their party. That’s how politics works dumbass. Both handled Covid horribly, both were complicit in keeping interest rates artificially low.. Biden’s energy policies have been horrible by doing such things as shutting down the keystone pipeline which had a hand in causing oil to skyrocket when demand came back to normal. That’s not “ team lib,” it’s team not lou.

Please explain - how did they handle covid horribly?

[94GRAD]

Please explain - how did they handle covid horribly?

Here are just a couple of articles how Trump handled Covid horribly both pre-outbreak and post.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/03/trump-scrapped-pandemic-early-warning-program-system-before-coronavirus
https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-ap-top-news-virus-outbreak-barack-obama-public-health-ce014d94b64e98b7203b873e56f80e9a
https://www.statnews.com/2020/05/17/the-art-of-the-pandemic-how-donald-trump-walked-the-u-s-into-the-covid-19-era/
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trump-administration-abuses-thwart-us-pandemic-response

[XU_Lou]

Are you a complete Neanderthal? Yes blaming both administrations, did I stutter? “ team lib” would just blame trump, I’m blaming both administrations because they are both complicit. they both unnecessarily pumped money into the economy when it was not necessary because neither wanted to be responsible for a recession and thus lose votes for them or for their party. That’s how politics works dumbass. Both handled Covid horribly, both were complicit in keeping interest rates artificially low.. Biden’s energy policies have been horrible by doing such things as shutting down the keystone pipeline which had a hand in causing oil to skyrocket when demand came back to normal. That’s not “ team lib,” it’s team not lou.

C'mon ville, I know you saw this... explain how did they handled covid horribly? in your own words...

[Xville]

Tell you what lou. You admit you are a liar, and then maybe I’ll answer your stupid questions.

Admit that you lied about Biden wanting to pack the court , as evidenced by your follow up post of 13961 when you got backed into a corner.

[XU_Lou]

Tell you what lou. You admit you are a liar, and then maybe I’ll answer your stupid questions.

Admit that you lied about Biden wanting to pack the court , as evidenced by your follow up post of 13961 when you got backed into a corner.

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case!!

See, ol' ville here loves to play his little game of never taking a hard stand on anything, which he thinks gives him immunity from criticism. It's called plausible deniability.

The only reason ville comes on this thread is to argue for the sake of argument. You have no core values or core principals.

Kind of funny, ville, you play the exact same game that the politicians you despise so much play.

#exposed #fraud #chickenshit

[Xville]

Ladies and gentlemen, I rest my case!!

See, ol' ville here loves to play his little game of never taking a hard stand on anything, which he thinks gives him immunity from criticism. It's called plausible deniability.

The only reason ville comes on this thread is to argue for the sake of argument. You have no core values or core principals.

Kind of funny, ville, you play the exact same game that the politicians you despise so much play.

#exposed #fraud #chickenshit

Lol admit you are a liar and I’ll answer the question. It’s that simple buddy…talk about chicken shit. You can’t even admit when you are wrong.

You think you have me pegged because I can’t stand your lying bullshit day after day on here. It’s pretty amazing just how out of touch with reality you truly are.

[XU_Lou]

Lol admit you are a liar and I’ll answer the question. It’s that simple buddy…talk about chicken shit. You can’t even admit when you are wrong.

You think you have me pegged because I can’t stand your lying bullshit day after day on here. It’s pretty amazing just how out of touch with reality you truly are.

LOL! Joe Biden, your big hero, employs the exact same techniques you use – plausible deniability. He orders a commission to study packing the court – everyone knows that was the focus and the prime reason why he ordered it – but includes other topics of examination to hide his true intentions. And mindless simpletons like yourself believe it was a general review of the court.

Kind of funny that your only three sources of news all agree that the focus of the commission was to determine whether the Democrats could get away with court packing. All agree that was the prime reason for its creation. (as well as nearly every other news outlet...)

Seriously, good luck with your revisionist history on this.

#makingshitupagain

[Xville]

LOL! Joe Biden, your big hero, employs the exact same techniques you use – plausible deniability. He orders a commission to study packing the court – everyone knows that was the focus and the prime reason why he ordered it – but includes other topics of examination to hide his true intentions. And mindless simpletons like yourself believe it was a general review of the court.

Kind of funny that your only three sources of news all agree that the focus of the commission was to determine whether the Democrats could get away with court packing. All agree that was the prime reason for its creation. (as well as nearly every other news outlet...)

Seriously, good luck with your revisionist history on this.

#makingshitupagain

So, your second paragraph is at the least extremely misleading, if not completely wrong. Where again did he say he wanted to pack the court like you said he wanted to? What about what you said in 13961 about ordering it to placate his base? Or, was that just another lie of yours? You lie so much you can’t even keep up with your own lies.

Your first paragraph is conjecture.

[XU_Lou]

So the other day I saw a link to an article on the Brownstone Institute website. I didn't click on it, but seriously loved the title. It's so apropos:

"The Insufferable Arrogance of the Constantly Wrong"

[xubrew]

Why do so many people want to put labels on other people??

Most liberals I know think I'm a conservative and therefore they just dismiss anything I say. Most conservatives I know think I'm a liberal and therefore just dismiss anything I say. I try to not spend any time assessing it either way. It's actually amazing that I've managed to piss off people on both sides without really even trying. Just imagine if I ever put any effort into it!!

I think Biden is a terrible president that I would not vote for again. I also think Trump belongs in prison. I know damn well that most elected officials are not alpha examples of any sort of moral fortitude, but Trump really did raise the bar! He falsely accused his political opponents unethical and illegal behavior when the only person exhibiting that behavior was himself.

Biden is terrible. The Right has won. They will walk away with the midterms, the presidency, and the midterms after that, and basically control the House, Senate, and Presidency for the next decade. The only way this won't happen is if Trump runs and gets the nomination. And...THAT COULD STILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN!!

Now...I don't see why ANYBODY would feel good about our current situation. But, because of the labels that they put on themselves and that they put on other people, that's the primary focus, and that's one of the reasons why the shit show continues for season after season after season.

[94GRAD]

Why do so many people want to put labels on other people??

Most liberals I know think I'm a conservative and therefore they just dismiss anything I say. Most conservatives I know think I'm a liberal and therefore just dismiss anything I say. I try to not spend any time assessing it either way. It's actually amazing that I've managed to piss off people on both sides without really even trying. Just imagine if I ever put any effort into it!!

I think Biden is a terrible president that I would not vote for again. I also think Trump belongs in prison. I know damn well that most elected officials are not alpha examples of any sort of moral fortitude, but Trump really did raise the bar! He falsely accused his political opponents unethical and illegal behavior when the only person exhibiting that behavior was himself.

Biden is terrible. The Right has won. They will walk away with the midterms, the presidency, and the midterms after that, and basically control the House, Senate, and Presidency for the next decade. The only way this won't happen is if Trump runs and gets the nomination. And...THAT COULD STILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN!!

Now...I don't see why ANYBODY would feel good about our current situation. But, because of the labels that they put on themselves and that they put on other people, that's the primary focus, and that's one of the reasons why the shit show continues for season after season after season.

Can I label you as neither and dismiss everything you say? :medicated::medicated::medicated:

[Xville]

Why do so many people want to put labels on other people??

Most liberals I know think I'm a conservative and therefore they just dismiss anything I say. Most conservatives I know think I'm a liberal and therefore just dismiss anything I say. I try to not spend any time assessing it either way. It's actually amazing that I've managed to piss off people on both sides without really even trying. Just imagine if I ever put any effort into it!!

I think Biden is a terrible president that I would not vote for again. I also think Trump belongs in prison. I know damn well that most elected officials are not alpha examples of any sort of moral fortitude, but Trump really did raise the bar! He falsely accused his political opponents unethical and illegal behavior when the only person exhibiting that behavior was himself.

Biden is terrible. The Right has won. They will walk away with the midterms, the presidency, and the midterms after that, and basically control the House, Senate, and Presidency for the next decade. The only way this won't happen is if Trump runs and gets the nomination. And...THAT COULD STILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN!!

Now...I don't see why ANYBODY would feel good about our current situation. But, because of the labels that they put on themselves and that they put on other people, that's the primary focus, and that's one of the reasons why the shit show continues for season after season after season.

I think the people that do that are simple minded and extreme in their politics. They simply can’t put their head around the fact that many people actually agree with certain platforms on the right and the left side. To actually believe that everything that one side side says is right, and the other is wrong on every issue, is the most absurd and arrogant line of thinking. However, there are some on here and in real life that believe exactly that.

[Xuperman]

Can you guys stop with the term "liar" crap plz. Lying is "I never, ever spoke to my son about his overseas business dealings"!

What is happening here is simply fishing around in the cesspool of bias news outlets and poison social media, to fit ones agenda. Grow up guys....this ongoing pissing match is not productive conversation in any way, shape or form.

[XU_Lou]

Can you guys stop with the term "liar" crap plz. Lying is "I never, ever spoke to my son about his overseas business dealings"!

What is happening here is simply fishing around in the cesspool of bias news outlets and poison social media, to fit ones agenda. Grow up guys....this ongoing pissing match is not productive conversation in any way, shape or form.

I hear you, and totally agree with you.

But his relentless attacks cannot go unanswered. You come at me with a knife, I'm bringing a freaking gun.

The dude is an online bully, and bullies hate being bullied. Xup, you know that, you've been the focus of his antics several times, just like several other people on this board. He doesn't know how to have a civil debate, plain and simple.

[Xville]

I hear you, and totally agree with you.

But his relentless attacks cannot go unanswered. You come at me with a knife, I'm bringing a freaking gun.

The dude is an online bully, and bullies hate being bullied. Xup, you know that, you've been the focus of his antics several times, just like several other people on this board. He doesn't know how to have a civil debate, plain and simple.

Lol now I’m a bully? You haven’t had a civil debate with someone that has a different opinion than you ever on this board. Lying lou

[xubrew]

Can I label you as neither and dismiss everything you say? :medicated::medicated::medicated:

Sure. Why not??

[noteggs]

Obviously you can look at this article/video so many different ways. Mine is you don’t mess with mother nature. Video is priceless but rather sad.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penguins-otters-cheaper-fish-inflation_n_62c0b2c4e4b0f6125727b2f4

[UCGRAD4X]

Obviously you can look at this article/video so many different ways. Mine is you don’t mess with mother nature. Video is priceless but rather sad.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/penguins-otters-cheaper-fish-inflation_n_62c0b2c4e4b0f6125727b2f4

If they get hungry enough they'll eat Long John Silvers or Gorton's fish sticks.

[Strange Brew]

If they get hungry enough they'll eat Long John Silvers or Gorton's fish sticks.

Gorton's are delicious. How dare you not trust the Gorton's fisherman!

[XU_Lou]

Biden's America.... Is there any doubt our culture is total rot, and that we are definitely on the decline as a nation:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZiT9EIIGTC0

[Xuperman]

I find it hard to believe that ANY sensible Democrat can support this ongoing absurdity. A "men getting pregnant" debate with Josh Hawley and a far left professor is supposed to be a serious discussion? There is a very childish word game being played here!

https://news.yahoo.com/josh-hawley-says-democrats-apos-213114443.html

Definitely a part of the "rot" mention above.

[Xville]

I find it hard to believe that ANY sensible Democrat can support this ongoing absurdity. A "men getting pregnant" debate with Josh Hawley and a far left professor is supposed to be a serious discussion? There is a very childish word game being played here!

https://news.yahoo.com/josh-hawley-says-democrats-apos-213114443.html

Definitely a part of the "rot" mention above.

That whole thing is so effing stupid and a complete waste of time. Arguing about who can give birth and who can’t and arguing about what we should call people. Our government dollars hard at work ladies and gentlemen!

[STL_XUfan]

I find it hard to believe that ANY sensible Democrat can support this ongoing absurdity. A "men getting pregnant" debate with Josh Hawley and a far left professor is supposed to be a serious discussion? There is a very childish word game being played here!

https://news.yahoo.com/josh-hawley-says-democrats-apos-213114443.html

Definitely a part of the "rot" mention above.

Josh Hawley is the world's largest tool. I am so thankful I was out of Mizzou prior to him joining the Faculty.

The professor I worked for had the best take on him: "My god, Josh. I've known pretty much what you are since you took office across hall at MU Law. But I had no idea how low you would be prepared to go in pursuit of power. You call yourself a "constitutional lawyer." But you disgrace the profession & dishonor constitution daily." https://twitter.com/fobowman3/status/1344321535574749185

[Smails]

Josh Hawley is the world's largest tool. I am so thankful I was out of Mizzou prior to him joining the Faculty.

The professor I worked for had the best take on him: "My god, Josh. I've known pretty much what you are since you took office across hall at MU Law. But I had no idea how low you would be prepared to go in pursuit of power. You call yourself a "constitutional lawyer." But you disgrace the profession & dishonor constitution daily." https://twitter.com/fobowman3/status/1344321535574749185

An uber-liberal professor who wrote a book on impeachment and whose entire twitter persona is regurgitating liberal talking points via a legal lens, thinks Josh Hawley is an idiot? Color me shocked! Using that professor to back up claims that Hawley is a tool is like quoting Lauren Borbert to drive home the narrative that Trump is the greatest POTUS of all time.

[Xuperman]

That whole thing is so effing stupid and a complete waste of time. Arguing about who can give birth and who can’t and arguing about what we should call people. Our government dollars hard at work ladies and gentlemen!

Yes 'ville, the stupidity and waste is unfathomable.

However, this is your party and these comical views have the entire left on board in support. There is an estimated .5% trans population in this country, yet somehow through the crazy "cancel culture" threat, their very small group of lobbyists leverage an enormous amount of influence over the Democrats and large corporations, to the point no one dares to push back one iota. This is exclusive to the left and the cowardice displayed is astounding.

[Xville]

Yes 'ville, the stupidity and waste is unfathomable.

However, this is your party and these comical views have the entire left on board in support. There is an estimated .5% trans population in this country, yet somehow through the crazy "cancel culture" threat, their very small group of lobbyists leverage an enormous amount of influence over the Democrats and large corporations.

This is not “my party,” and I’m talking about both sides of this stupid argument for the continued waste of time that this entire conversation and back and forth was. Honestly, I could care the hell less what people want to call themselves or how they should be defined. If it’s “people who can get pregnant” who gives a shit? Serious waste of time and there are way more important things government should be focused on. Frankly I’m very much in favor of government staying the hell out of any social issues and just working on getting foreign relations and our economy in check.

Also, and I’m sure you know this, but the left and the right have lobbyists that have an enormous amount of influence on both parties and large corporations. My brother was speaker of the house at the state level in the recent past… it’s scary the amount of control lobbyists have in this country.

[XU_Lou]

ummm, language matters....

[noteggs]

Not sure where everyone is getting their news sources these days because every time I turn on the news it’s about J6. Does anyone believe the final production, sorry I mean hearing will be next week? I mean how will MSNBC and CNN fill their 24 news cycle? Maybe inflation, border or increase in crime?

Let’s just all agree Trump is a big piece of shit and move on with other pressing issues. Of course the Democrats need something to run on during the midterms. And yes, J6 is still a big stain but…

[Xuperman]

This is not “my party,” and I’m talking about both sides of this stupid argument

Ok, I am going to assume that you are using the ol' "I'm an Independent" to take no ownership in support of this particular insanity. But, anyone here can see you don't vote Republican......you vote Democrat in National elections OR don't vote at all. So, when it comes to people like you who DO vote, you are essentially in support of the politicians that are cramming the ridiculous shit down our throats.

BTW, there is only ONE "stupid" side to this debate and people of your stripe are complicit in this madness through the power of your vote.

Wise up and start voting for the party that supports our police, demands boarder security, Trump Energy and other Pro American policies and a big fat NO on psychotic social issues.

[Xville]

Ok, I am going to assume that you are using the ol' "I'm an Independent" to take no ownership in support of this particular insanity. But, anyone here can see you don't vote Republican......you vote Democrat in National elections OR don't vote at all. So, when it comes to people like you who DO vote, you are essentially in support of the politicians that are cramming the ridiculous shit down our throats.

BTW, there is only ONE "stupid" side to this debate and people of your stripe are complicit in this madness through the power of your vote.

So, you think because of what I post here in response to Lou’s ramblings, and that I think the government arguing about pronouns is a waste of time, that you know everything about my political leanings?

Imo both sides of this debate is stupid and is a direct reflection of how insane politics have become over the last decade or so. Government should be spending less time on bullshit like this, and more time on foreign relations and fixing the economy. That’s not “taking no ownership” it’s saying let’s stop arguing about stupid shit, and fix real problems.

I don’t vote for candidates based on social issues most of the time (unless there is an extremist on on side or the other) because frankly, I don’t give a shit. I vote primarily on views of how to fix economy and how to deal with foreign countries. In that regard, my leanings cause me to vote republican more often than not.

[Xuperman]

In that regard, my leanings cause me to vote republican more often than not.

If this is sincere, I instantly have a total different view of you politically. Try to post more stuff that has less ambiguity and more stuff that reflects pro conservative views.

BTW, your Xavier BBall posts are always very insightful.

[XU_Lou]

So, you think because of what I post here in response to Lou’s ramblings, and that I think the government arguing about pronouns is a waste of time, that you know everything about my political leanings?

Imo both sides of this debate is stupid and is a direct reflection of how insane politics have become over the last decade or so. Government should be spending less time on bullshit like this, and more time on foreign relations and fixing the economy. That’s not “taking no ownership” it’s saying let’s stop arguing about stupid shit, and fix real problems.

I don’t vote for candidates based on social issues most of the time (unless there is an extremist on on side or the other) because frankly, I don’t give a shit. I vote primarily on views of how to fix economy and how to deal with foreign countries. In that regard, my leanings cause me to vote republican more often than not.

I wonder if you see the irony in your "ramblings" above....



I don’t vote for candidates based on social issues most of the time (unless there is an extremist on on side or the other) because frankly, I don’t give a shit. I vote primarily on views of how to fix economy and how to deal with foreign countries. In that regard, my leanings cause me to vote republican more often than not.

Hmmm, I wonder why you wouldn't like Trump then????

[94GRAD]

If this is sincere, I instantly have a total different view of you politically. Try to post more stuff that has less ambiguity and more stuff that reflects pro conservative views.

BTW, your Xavier BBall posts are always very insightful.

I'm not sure if you understand his last post. He states that he could care less about social issues (I.E. liberal) and is really focused on monetary/defense/economic issues(I.E. conservative) as are the majority of the people in the US. It's the LOUD minority on each side that has put us in the political situation we're in.

[bobbiemcgee]

I wonder if you see the irony in your "ramblings" above....




Hmmm, I wonder why you wouldn't like Trump then????

Maybe bcuz he'll soon have a jumpsuit to match the hair.

[Xuperman]

Man, Enes Kanter just ripped LeBron a new one tonight in a Fox interview.

The gloves are officially off! These radical left, BLM, progressive extremists like LJ are going to face serious consequences for their hypocrisy. The guy is a complete embarrassment in his anti police stance and obvious racism....all while blatantly supporting new day slavery in China. His constant, ongoing hatred of this country is hard to stomach....so F the country made him a Billionaire.

[D-West & PO-Z]

going to face serious consequences for their hypocrisy.

Like what?

[bjf123]

There will be no consequences since he’s on the “correct” side in the eyes of the media. He can pretty much say whatever he wants.


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[STL_XUfan]

Like what?
The Florida Legislature has already drafted legislation making it a misdemeanor offense punishable by up to 30 days in jail and a fine not less than $500 to believe that LeBron is better Michael Jordan. DeSantis is expected to sign it when it gets to his desk next week.

[Xuperman]

Like what?

Like some serious political push back in the mids......LeBron is a cherished mouth piece of the anti-american far left.

The REAL quection is, why do I bother to post the obvious.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Like some serious political push back in the mids......LeBron is a cherished mouth piece of the anti-american far left.

The REAL quection is, why do I bother to post the obvious.

LeBron doesnt give a shit which political party is in power, lmao.

[Xuperman]

LeBron doesnt give a shit which political party is in power, lmao.

Then he should play ball and keep his f'ing mouth shut.

That's not going to happen because of course he gives a shit and recklessly goes out of his way to make his political leanings known.

The NBA is far and away the most abhorrent sport/politic embarrassment on the planet..........oh wait, NCAA woman's swimming has a strong case.

[xuphan]

Then he should play ball and keep his f'ing mouth shut.

That's not going to happen because of course he gives a shit and recklessly goes out of his way to make his political leanings known.

The NBA is far and away the most abhorrent sport/politic embarrassment on the planet..........oh wait, NCAA woman's swimming has a strong case.

Brittany Griener broke the law in Russia and should face the consequences for her actions. You do the crime you do the time. Doesn’t matter if you are famous or not. Rules apply to everyone.

[Muskie in dayton]

LeBron doesnt give a shit which political party is in power, lmao.
Are you sure about that, gaslighter?

One thing for sure, he’s a pussy-ass bitch.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Are you sure about that, gaslighter?

One thing for sure, he’s a pussy-ass bitch.

Ha, and you're a real tough guy! :rolleyes:

I don't even like LeBron, but to imply he's facing some sort of serious consequences for hypocritical views is delusional. He's a billionaire. His life is gravy either way.

[UCGRAD4X]

There will be no consequences since he’s on the “correct” side in the eyes of the media. He can pretty much say whatever he wants. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Will Elizabeth Warren be held accountable for violence and vandalism at Pregnancy Centers for saying they are only there to fool people and trick women who come there for advice about terminating their pregnancy and should be shut down nationwide?

[Xuperman]

Interesting news to start the week, several key progressive agenda issues take a hit.

I don't even like LeBron, but to imply he's facing some sort of serious consequences for hypocritical views is delusional. He's a billionaire. His life is gravy either way.

You're right, his racist and pro China legacy means nothing to him.

[Xuperman]

Interesting news to start the week, several key progressive agenda issues take a hit.

1st significant side effect of the Covid "vaccine" revealed.... apparently causes menstrual cycle abnormalities in high percentage of women. Fauci to be investigated under Republican controlled Congress.

Replacement battery for pre-owned electric car costs $14K.....more than the purchase price.

Flood of illegals over populates California homeless shelters. Rumored to be given priority over US citizens.

But this is my favorite!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nj-transgender-woman-transferred-women-134955783.html

Moronic left wing policies will continue to fall apart going forward.

EDIT-
Obviously the Covid shot was developed under Trump. It's the lefts attempt, under Biden, to forcefully mandate everyone to get it is my point. They made it as close to criminal as possible to refuse.

[STL_XUfan]

Interesting news to start the week, several key progressive agenda issues take a hit.

1st significant side effect of the Covid "vaccine" revealed.... apparently causes menstrual cycle abnormalities in high percentage of women. Fauci to be investigated under Republican controlled Congress.

Replacement battery for pre-owned electric car costs $14K.....more than the purchase price.

But this is my favorite!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/nj-transgender-woman-transferred-women-134955783.html

Moronic left wing policies will continue to fall apart going forward.

EDIT-
Obviously the Covid shot was developed under Trump. It's the lefts attempt, under Biden, to forcefully mandate everyone to get it is my point. They made it as close to criminal as possible to refuse.

Is there something going on in your life that concerns the transgender community? Cause you seem to be really strangely fixated on it. Just seems like there are a lot bigger issues going on in the country for you spend this much time trying to force a conversation concerning a topic that really doesn't come up in most people's day to day existence.

[Xuperman]

Is there something going on in your life that concerns the transgender community? Cause you seem to be really strangely fixated on it. Just seems like there are a lot bigger issues going on in the country for you spend this much time trying to force a conversation concerning a topic that really doesn't come up in most people's day to day existence.

You just made my point. It's the Democratic party, MSM and the cancel culture loons that are fixated on it.

[Xville]

You just made my point. It's the Democratic party, MSM and the cancel culture loons that are fixated on it.

They are? Because the article you cited was from Fox News and then you cited it for what? Am I really supposed to care about what happens to bad people inside a prison? Also, do you know the number of things that can cause menstrual abnormalities? Breathing basically causes a menstrual abnormality.

I don’t understand the transgender thing at all, and have a feeling that a lot of it could be mental health issues, but really who cares. Only issue I have with it is in sports but if stats are correct about the number of transgender people, then it’s never going to affect my childrens lives.

There are a million things more important than these things… if that was your point, then I guess, ok

[paulxu]

You don't seem like someone who would be a member of the Democratic party.

[Xuperman]

Actually, I tend to laugh my ass off about silly progressive social issues.

Serious conversations by serious people in my circles are always about the devastating Left Wing agenda that is hell bent on destroying the Fossil Fuel industry, erasing the Southern boarder and embracing BLM style anti-Law enforcement, systemic racism policies.

[Xuperman]

You don't seem like someone who would be a member of the Democratic party.

At this rate, that party will crash and burn like CNN.

Their leader is a senile party joke, the VP is a clueless idiot and their members in Congress are mostly cartoon characters.....so no.

[Xuperman]

They are? Because the article you cited was from Fox News and then you cited it for what? Am I really supposed to care about what happens to bad people inside a prison? Also, do you know the number of things that can cause menstrual abnormalities? Breathing basically causes a menstrual abnormality.

I don’t understand the transgender thing at all, and have a feeling that a lot of it could be mental health issues, but really who cares. Only issue I have with it is in sports but if stats are correct about the number of transgender people, then it’s never going to affect my childrens lives.

There are a million things more important than these things… if that was your point, then I guess, ok

Happy to respond.

To your 1st point. The people that allow a man claiming to be a woman to be incarcerated with actual women seem to care....I know the convict cares. I wonder what the chances are he committed the crime identifying as a man? I wonder how many transgender "men" are insisting on placement in Men's prisons?

2- What little I know about women's menstrual cycles is all I want to know. But, 'ville these are early scientific studies attempting to extract info regarding Covid "vaccine" related side effects. You know, the kind that are normally made in the 6-8 years BEFORE FDA approval.

3- I assume you have biological female children and other loved ones. Maybe it won't "affect" them, but soon a guy in a dress will be doing his business in a Ladies Room near you.

This is simply a response to your post, although I realize it could be viewed as more evidence of my strange "fixation".

[Xuperman]

More consequences of far left progressive policies. It would be laughable if not for the public safety implications.

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/people-aren-t-stopping-washington-160000598.html

[XU_Lou]

To all you lefties who think you're saving the world by driving around in an electric car, I hope you can sleep at night.


"Testimony: China-backed cobalt mines in Congo exploit 40,000 child workers"

“On the backs of trafficked workers and child laborers, China exploits the vast cobalt resources of the DRC to fuel its economy and global agenda,” said Rep. Christopher Smith, R-New Jersey, who chaired the Tom Lantos Human Rights Commission hearing July 14.

“The Chinese Communist Party’s quest for cobalt for batteries and lithium for solar panels to power the so-called Green Economy motivates human rapacity as an estimated 40,000 children in Congo toil in non-regulated artisanal mines under hazardous conditions,” Smith said.

The Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) produces more than 70% of the world’s cobalt, 15% to 30% of which is produced in artisanal mines. For years, these small-scale operations have been notorious for human rights violations. The Council on Foreign Relations attributes the inhumane working conditions, in part, to the instability of the DRC, “a country weakened by violent ethnic conflict, Ebola, and high levels of corruption.”

Congolese civil rights attorney Hervé Diakiese Kyungu testified at the hearing that children are trafficked and exploited because of their small size.

The artisanal mines “are often no more than narrow shafts dug into the ground, which is why children are recruited — and in many cases forced — to descend into them, using only their hands or rudimentary tools without any protective equipment, to extract cobalt and other minerals,” he said.

One such mine located in Kasulo is owned by the Chinese company Dongfang Congo Mining, he said. Children are often exposed to radioactive minerals, injuries, and deadly and painful diseases as they work to extract the valuable ore.

“They are unremunerated and exploited and the work is often fatal as the children are required to crawl into small holes dug into the earth,” Kyungu testified.


https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2022/07/16/testimony-china-backed-cobalt-mines-in-congo-exploit-40000-child-workers/

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2021/nov/08/cobalt-drc-miners-toil-for-30p-an-hour-to-fuel-electric-cars

[Xuperman]

Ok, this thread is only going to stay alive by the common sense posters here. I fully expect our leftist friends, will simply not engage and the thread die. Our progressive friends have a ZERO way to communicate support of the current far left agenda.

[paulxu]

Lou, call me on a land line when you turn in your computer and cell phone because they contain cobalt that is mined in horrible conditions.

I know I can count on you to do the right thing. I'll be waiting. I want to make sure you sleep well at night.

[Xville]

Ok, this thread is only going to stay alive by the common sense posters here. I fully expect our leftist friends, will simply not engage and the thread die. Our progressive friends have a ZERO way to communicate support of the current far left agenda.

This thread dying would be the best thing since sliced bread.

[Strange Brew]

This thread dying would be the best thing since sliced bread.

Well this looks like a job for me….
We need a little controversy.. (Eminem) :)

Let people enjoy it after 4 years of RUSSIA!

[XU_Lou]

Lou, call me on a land line when you turn in your computer and cell phone because they contain cobalt that is mined in horrible conditions.

I know I can count on you to do the right thing. I'll be waiting. I want to make sure you sleep well at night.

Fair point. I was not aware of any of this until today. So why isn't Biden and the Democrat-controlled Congress doing anything to put an end to this? Moreover, computers and cell phones have far more utility than electrical vehicles. EVs are not needed, and do nothing to stop natural global warming.

[XU_Lou]

If you want to get rich quick, simply follow Paul Pelosi's stock trades:

https://timcast.com/news/pelosis-office-responds-to-her-husbands-computer-chip-stock-purchase-ahead-of-house-vote/

[Masterofreality]

Sounds like Colorado and Denver are a real paradise right now. And no Washington Post. It’s not because of the Pandemic, but keep tooting that horn and never mention who has been in power controlling Denver for six decades.
Prayers for those who live there..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/06/06/bus-denver-pendemic-violence/

[XU_Lou]

Another example of Biden trying to establish himself as a dictator:

"President Joe Biden could declare a climate emergency as soon as this week, according to The Washington Post, in a bid to implement elements of his environmental agenda as climate legislation has stalled in Congress.

Leading Biden administration officials are debating ways to advance the president’s agenda, and the president is prepared to announce a number of new initiatives to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, reported the Post, citing three people familiar with the matter."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/07/18/biden-climate-emergency-manchin/

https://dailycaller.com/2022/07/19/biden-poised-declare-climate-emergency/

Can you say impeachment?

[XU_Lou]

So glad to see the Trump-backed governor candidate take down the Larry Hogan-backed lackey. After all, Larry Hogan isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box.

[bobbiemcgee]

So glad to see the Trump-backed governor candidate take down the Larry Hogan-backed lackey. After all, Larry Hogan isn't exactly the brightest bulb in the box.

Laughable when your endorser lost the State by 33 points. This Qanon clown has no chance.

[Xville]

Laughable when your endorser lost the State by 33 points. This Qanon clown has no chance.

Also laughable is that lou is unable to connect dots. The democrats spent 2 million dollars to campaign for the trump backed candidate knowing that was their easiest path to winning the general election. Now that office is guaranteed to go blue.

[STL_XUfan]

Also laughable is that lou is unable to connect dots. The democrats spent 2 million dollars to campaign for the trump backed candidate knowing that was their easiest path to winning the general election. Now that office is guaranteed to go blue.

I just don't understand that strategy. Sure, it increases the odds that you may win, but it may turn out that you are wishing on a monkey paw.

[XU_Lou]

LOL....I could care less who wins the MD gov race....

[Xville]

Yet you care enough to pay attention to the primary and post about it. #obsession

[Xville]

I just don't understand that strategy. Sure, it increases the odds that you may win, but it may turn out that you are wishing on a monkey paw.

It doesn’t really increase odds, it guarantees a democratic victory. The only reason hogan ever won there is because he is a moderate, getting enough moderates and some democrats to actually vote for him. That’s never going to happen with qanon trump backed candidate.

[XU_Lou]

I got a reaction....that's all that counted....

[Xville]

You lead a sad life. I’ll pray for you

[Xuperman]

I got a reaction....that's all that counted....

Exactly,
The only reason to spend ANY time on this type of thread is to get genuine feedback from opposing views.

To see someone like "BOBBIE" sling an arrow out of his/their vastly diminished quill.....on a TOTALLY insignificant primary, is what's laughable.

I saturate myself in what I know to be the "propaganda wing" of the Leftist Progressive movement. That being the MSM, Commie rags (Times/Post) and the "Woke" poison of Social Media. I am FAR more interested in how these entities are activily moving to diminish the USA. I am not really interested in what FOX or Conservative Radio has to say........let alone "Q"!!!

This thread is useless, USELESS......unless there is reasonable discourse from both sides. Where are our fine Xavier Biden/Obama supporters?

My previous prediction of this thread becoming irrelevant is spot on. The BOBBIE, Paul, dayton posts will cease to exist in support of this INDEFENSIBLE far left madness. They will simply and consistently put their heads in the sand and suffer the shameful embarrassment of silence AND continue to lock step vote Dem.

VOTE people. Only that gives you a legitimate right to have a say, one way or another.

[Xuperman]

You lead a sad life. I’ll pray for you

You won't pray for Lou.....please.

But, IF I'm wrong, throw in a prayer for our men/women in BLUE.

GOD help us!

[XU_Lou]

How will Joe be able to smell little girls hair now?

[bobbiemcgee]

VOTE people.

81 million did. And not for your nonsense.

You and lou ever think about supporting this board as a supporting member? Guess not.

[XU_Lou]

81 million voted for a guy who took showers with his young daughter.

Fixed that for you.

[bobbiemcgee]

81 million did. And not for your nonsense.

You and lou ever think about supporting this board as a supporting member? Guess not.

Too cheap I guess. The Uc board is free. Go over there for a while.

Pretty sure you just a UC or UD troll anyway.

[XU_Lou]

Too cheap I guess. The Uc board is free. Go over there for a while.

Pretty sure you just a UC or UD troll anyway.

But not 100%?

[xuphan]

You have to think a Trump DeSantis ticket in 2024 is checkmate for the Democrats.

[Xuperman]

Too cheap I guess. The Uc board is free. Go over there for a while.

Pretty sure you just a UC or UD troll anyway.

I'm "pretty sure" you need to put down the jug. AND, it is clear that you referenced your handy pocket progressive handbook in this post.

When your party position is beyond any normal reasoning and you have completely lost the ability/courage to debate in a civil manner, resort to personal attack.

[bobbiemcgee]

I'm "pretty sure" you need to put down the jug. AND, it is clear that you referenced your handy pocket progressive handbook in this post.

When your party position is beyond any normal reasoning and you have completely lost the ability/courage to debate in a civil manner, resort to personal attack.
"normal reasoning"
81 million disagreed with your right wing baloney minority positions. You obviously lost sight of what is "normal". Anyone who disagrees with you is "not normal" cratering any attempts for civil discussion. Your party disputes the outcome of a valid election. That's "not normal" is it?

[Xuperman]

"normal reasoning"
81 million disagreed with your right wing baloney minority positions. You obviously lost sight of what is "normal". Anyone who disagrees with you is "not normal" cratering any attempts for civil discussion. Your party disputes the outcome of a valid election. That's "not normal" is it?

I'm guessing you're day drinking.

I ONE HUNDRED PERCENT agree with the 2020 election results and pray that Trump is made unable to get on the 2024 ballot somehow.

People like you think you can make a coherent point by simply doing some sort of distraction tactic "text book leftist playbook".

Please post ANY legitimate reasons in support of your Party agenda dumpster fire.....or just stfu.

[bobbiemcgee]

Through with your personal attacks yet?

[XU_Lou]

Through with your personal attacks yet?


Too cheap I guess. The Uc board is free. Go over there for a while.

Pretty sure you just a UC or UD troll anyway.

Ironic....


Anyway, seriously, what gave it away?

a) my exposing the Pelosi crime family as the blood-sucking grifters they are?

or

b) mentioning that your hair-sniffing president is an incestuous pedophile?

one of those obviously led you to your conclusion...

[Xuperman]

Through with your personal attacks yet?

Again, you seem to be intoxicated.

I have done nothing to attack you personally, but only an attempt to hear ANY reasonable support of ANYTHING Biden and the current progressive agenda.

[Strange Brew]

"normal reasoning"
81 million disagreed with your right wing baloney minority positions. You obviously lost sight of what is "normal". Anyone who disagrees with you is "not normal" cratering any attempts for civil discussion. Your party disputes the outcome of a valid election. That's "not normal" is it?

And based on approval ratings most of the 81M ballots now have the sads.

[bobbiemcgee]

Again, you seem to be intoxicated.

I have done nothing to attack you personally, but only an attempt to hear ANY reasonable support of ANYTHING Biden and the current progressive agenda.

Not in favor of the progressive agenda or your right wing shit. Keep up with the personal attacks. Always your "go to" when you're losing the agrument.

[bobbiemcgee]

"I have done nothing to attack you personally," except your last 3 posts, Geezus:bash::bash::bash:

[Strange Brew]

"I have done nothing to attack you personally," except your last 3 posts, Geezus:bash::bash::bash:

You seem upset.

[Xuperman]

So, having the perception that you seem be under the influence is a personal attack?


Not in favor of the progressive agenda or your right wing shit. Keep up with the personal attacks. Always your "go to" when you're losing the agrument.

Hello Twilight Zone......are you here with us?

That is not a personal attack....just stating what seems to be an explanation of your baseless posts.

Losing an argument? You haven't presented one!

Nothing.....in any, way, shape, or form.

[Xuperman]

You seem upset.

The progressive left has ways to help them channel the anger from the lock step minions.

[Strange Brew]

Too cheap I guess. The Uc board is free. Go over there for a while.

Pretty sure you just a UC or UD troll anyway.

That was low, like saying "your Mom's going out with Squeak".

[bobbiemcgee]

So, having the perception that you seem be under the influence is a personal attack?



Hello Twilight Zone......are you here with us?

That is not a personal attack....just stating what seems to be an explanation of your baseless posts.

Losing an argument? You haven't presented one!

Nothing.....in any, way, shape, or form.

You must be in never, neverland. You made 3 comments about drinking. Get off the pipe. You make your snide comments within every post and are too... well nuff said. Read your own posts before hitting ENTER.

[Xuperman]

You must be in never, neverland. You made 3 comments about drinking. Get off the pipe. You make your snide comments within every post and are too... well nuff said. Read your own posts before hitting ENTER.

C'mon man, my "intoxicated" comments are only intended to somehow understand/explain your recent irrational posts. Nothing personal, just trying to see where you're coming from.

I am, and will continue to be, fascinated by the reluctance to hear ANY reasonable support of the present left agenda.

Just post 1 thing that you love about Joe Biden..........this is the Politics thread after all.

[Masterofreality]

"normal reasoning"
81 million disagreed with your right wing baloney minority positions. You obviously lost sight of what is "normal". Anyone who disagrees with you is "not normal" cratering any attempts for civil discussion. Your party disputes the outcome of a valid election. That's "not normal" is it?

The Democrats have not accepted the outcomes of valid elections for a long time where they lost.
See: Al Gore, Hillary Clinton (“Trump is an Illegitimate President”), Stacy Abrams.
Remember when Democrats- Barbara Boxer and Stephanie Tubbs Jones- tried to invalidate Ohio electors in 2004? Good times!
The Republicans are now just playing by the rules YOU set.
Normal?????

https://www.cnn.com/2005/ALLPOLITICS/01/06/electoral.vote.1718/

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/al-gore-wasnt-a-man-about-losing/

[paulxu]

Not a good sign.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/24/us/white-christian-nationalism-blake-cec/index.html

[Smails]

Not a good sign.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/24/us/white-christian-nationalism-blake-cec/index.html

John Blake..LOL!! What a hack piece by a complete hack journalist. Thanks for enlightening with John Blake's 'white man is evil' opinion piece. Good lord

[paulxu]

Try digging a little deeper, as into the references he sites...like this one:

New report details the influence of Christian nationalism on the insurrection
Christian nationalism was used to 'bolster, justify and intensify the January 6 attack on the Capitol,' said Amanda Tyler, head of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.

Maybe you'll learn something.

[Xuperman]

Try digging a little deeper, as into the references he sites...like this one:

New report details the influence of Christian nationalism on the insurrection
Christian nationalism was used to 'bolster, justify and intensify the January 6 attack on the Capitol,' said Amanda Tyler, head of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.

Maybe you'll learn something.

I have no idea who Amanda Tyler is, but the head of the "Baptist" joint committee? One would assume that this group has a very large contingent of southern black churches. Southern Baptists are the predominate religious group south of the Mason/Dixon line.

For this leftist hack to weave in some sort of "white" nationalism narrative associated with ANY Baptist focused movement is disingenuous.

[paulxu]

I have no idea who Amanda Tyler is, but the head of the "Baptist" joint committee? One would assume that this group has a very large contingent of southern black churches. Southern Baptists are the predominate religious group south of the Mason/Dixon line.

For this leftist hack to weave in some sort of "white" nationalism narrative associated with ANY Baptist focused movement is disingenuous.

White nationalism is a very large problem with the Southern Baptist Convention, which includes black and white churches. I have no idea why you think that's "disingenuous" to note. It's the thrust of the entire article.

https://www.newsweek.com/southern-baptists-dont-want-discuss-alt-right-resolution-condemn-hate-group-625593

[Smails]

Try digging a little deeper, as into the references he sites...like this one:

New report details the influence of Christian nationalism on the insurrection
Christian nationalism was used to 'bolster, justify and intensify the January 6 attack on the Capitol,' said Amanda Tyler, head of the Baptist Joint Committee for Religious Liberty.

Maybe you'll learn something.

Oh bless your heart, Paul. What exactly would you like me to 'learn' from your constant vomiting of liberal, op-ed, GOP is evil, articles all over this thread. You should try thinking for yourself instead of parroting talking points. The stories you post here are so predictable, but at least the authors have some original thoughts. You should try it sometime.

And right on queue you post an article from 2017 written by a Newsweek intern...sheesh

[bobbiemcgee]

The Democrats have not accepted the outcomes of valid elections for a long time where they lost.
See: Al Gore, Hillary Clinton /[/URL]

They both conceded. trump never.

[paulxu]

Y'all spend a lot of time attacking the messengers; be they posters (me), writers (people on various publications)...and as always, totally evade the issue presented.
There's a real problem in this country with militant white nationalism, and it's been integrated into parts of the evangelical movement to produce people who believe God somehow favors America over other nations. They go to great lengths with (mostly latter chapters) to use the Bible to support their claims.
When you mix religion, politics and occasionally guns...thing can go terribly wrong.

Try to reasonably address those concerns, which many on all sides share (as I've tried to point out with references)...and not the messengers.

If you can't do that, perhaps better to let this discussion die out.

[GoMuskies]

There's a real problem in this country with militant white nationalism

Is there, though? It generally seems people are only able to come to that conclusion after defining "militant white nationalism" in a way that no normie would really expect. Same with people talking about the rise of "white supremacy" (which it turns out means things like "belief in meritocracy" and "belief in the importance of punctuality").

[Xuperman]

Y'all spend a lot of time attacking the messengers; be they posters (me), writers (people on various publications)...and as always, totally evade the issue presented.
There's a real problem in this country with militant white nationalism, and it's been integrated into parts of the evangelical movement to produce people who believe God somehow favors America over other nations. They go to great lengths with (mostly latter chapters) to use the Bible to support their claims.
When you mix religion, politics and occasionally guns...thing can go terribly wrong.

Try to reasonably address those concerns, which many on all sides share (as I've tried to point out with references)...and not the messengers.

If you can't do that, perhaps better to let this discussion die out.

You, and your stripe, are dangerously content to soak in the tepid pool of "wokeness".

"Militant White Nationalism"? Are you out of your Rabid ass mind? I live in BROWN CO. and have NEVER had anyone...anywhere try to influence me in that direction, in any way.

You do realize that the BLM/Antifa movements are FLUSH with anti-USA $$$$, and the supporting far left progressives/MSM army, wields FAR more influence In our declining society than any threat from any "White Nationalist" movements. Point to ONE far right "White Nationalist " group that can compete with the insane documented BLM cash coffers.

[Xuperman]

Is there, though? It generally seems people are only able to come to that conclusion after defining "militant white nationalism" in a way that no normie would really expect. Same with people talking about the rise of "white supremacy" (which it turns out means things like "belief in meritocracy" and "belief in the importance of punctuality").

Yeah, and silly stuff like "The content of one's character, not the color of one's skin"!

[bobbiemcgee]

What do you call a black man at the republican convention?
The keynote speaker.

[paulxu]

"Militant White Nationalism"? Are you out of your Rabid ass mind? I live in BROWN CO. and have NEVER had anyone...anywhere try to influence me in that direction, in any way.

I can see that rational discourse or reading of references is not your thing. So, they provided visual aids. I'll re-post to help you understand what it looks like. Contrary to what you may have heard, these are not tourists.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/220721161655-02-white-christian-nationalism-insurrection-restricted-super-169.jpg

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/220721161711-03-white-christian-nationalism-insurrection-super-169.jpg

[Xuperman]

Correct, some were not tourists. BUT, equally not organized insurrectionists and guessing 99.9% of them love their country.

Anything that happened on J6 is dwarfed by the HATE your country BLM riots. Those WERE ORGANIZED.....and raged for months in an insane bloody violent horror show. Rational discourse? Not going to happen, here or anywhere it really matters, until people like you can see the vast destructive difference between the two movements.

Google BLM riots for some firery "reference" photos that just warms the heart.

[Masterofreality]

They both conceded. trump never.

They never conceded. I provided articles. Hilary never stopped calling her opponent an “Illegitimate President”.

https://abcnews.go.com/theview/video/hillary-clinton-calls-donald-trump-illegitimate-president-66010832

[paulxu]

Correct, some were not tourists. BUT, equally not organized insurrectionists and guessing 99.9% of them love their country.

Anything that happened on J6 is dwarfed by the HATE your country BLM riots. Those WERE ORGANIZED.....and raged for months in an insane bloody violent horror show. Rational discourse? Not going to happen, here or anywhere it really matters, until people like you can see the vast destructive difference between the two movements.

Google BLM riots for some firery "reference" photos that just warms the heart.

I'm going to disagree. The fiery riots around the BLM protests were horrible, that was certainly true.
I hesitate to call some few people who decided to use the protests as cover to break into stores and loot, as "organized."

If you want to see real organized, follow the Justice Department's indictments of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers who were highly organized, and dedicated to using "normies" to break into the Capitol and stop the peaceful transfer of power. It may even turn out they were organized with help from people close to the president like Stone and Bannon.

[paulxu]

They never conceded. I provided articles. Hilary never stopped calling her opponent an “Illegitimate President”.

https://abcnews.go.com/theview/video/hillary-clinton-calls-donald-trump-illegitimate-president-66010832

She said he was illegitimate because of the assistance he got from Russia.
But...that is far different that not conceding.
She conceded the election to him when she lost.

“Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country,” Clinton said. “I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans."
"We owe him an open mind and a chance to lead. Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transition of power. We don't just respect that; we cherish it," Clinton said of the GOP president-elect, who had refused to say many times during a very contentious campaign whether he would accept the results of the election should he lose.

You think the former president would ever be mature enough to do something like this? I sincerely doubt it.

[Xville]

I'm going to disagree. The fiery riots around the BLM protests were horrible, that was certainly true.
I hesitate to call some few people who decided to use the protests as cover to break into stores and loot, as "organized."

If you want to see real organized, follow the Justice Department's indictments of the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers who were highly organized, and dedicated to using "normies" to break into the Capitol and stop the peaceful transfer of power. It may even turn out they were organized with help from people close to the president like Stone and Bannon.

“Some few people.” ——seriously? Just stop. Your preponderance to bitch and complain about one day and then basically gloss over the fact that blm is an organized group of destruction and grifters is ridiculous. Come to downtown Louisville and see what “ a few people” did. You are just the opposite extreme side of lou and Mid. One side is to blame for everything and the other side should all have halos over their heads in your mind.

[paulxu]

I don't see any halos over anyone's head that breaks the law. I hope they get arrested, tried and convicted if they did the crime.

In terms of raw numbers, the looters seem to be very few versus the mass of people peacefully protesting with BLM.
Are there grifters in the BLM movement...I'm sure there are. There are grifters everywhere.

But protests over police brutality that turn into looting by fringe elements, in my mind are different than a coordinated effort to storm our Capitol to stop the Senate from counting the electoral college votes...putting a lot of lives in jeopardy.
One is a lawful protest about prior actions that gets way the hell out of hand, and the lawbreakers should be punished.

The other is an effort to halt the transfer of power, an American tradition and constitutional activity.

[xuphan]

I don't see any halos over anyone's head that breaks the law. I hope they get arrested, tried and convicted if they did the crime.

In terms of raw numbers, the looters seem to be very few versus the mass of people peacefully protesting with BLM.
Are there grifters in the BLM movement...I'm sure there are. There are grifters everywhere.

But protests over police brutality that turn into looting by fringe elements, in my mind are different than a coordinated effort to storm our Capitol to stop the Senate from counting the electoral college votes...putting a lot of lives in jeopardy.
One is a lawful protest about prior actions that gets way the hell out of hand, and the lawbreakers should be punished.

The other is an effort to halt the transfer of power, an American tradition and constitutional activity.

I have to disagree with this. Both Jan 6th and BLM riots were wrong and should be condemned. BLM riots were anything but peaceful. Hearing from law enforcement during multiple riots from Mike Brown, George Floyd, Brianna Taylor were anything but peaceful. From Mike Browns stepdad telling protesters to “burn the city down” to a majority of protesters spitting, throwing objects at police, and swearing at police, trying to steal their gear, burning police cars, assaulting officers, resisting arrest. I don’t call most of these riots as peaceful. Not including the fires, looting, and theft that occurred as well. Martin Luther King Jr. held peaceful protest. BLM do not hold peaceful protest.

You could also argue that most at the Jan 6th riot at the capital were peaceful protesting what they felt was an unfair election with a “small group” of people who went way to far storming the capital. I don’t see how BLM is right and Jan 6th was wrong. They both were wrong and anything but peaceful.

My point is that both were wrong but both are supported by either democrats and republicans. No accountability which means these type of events will continue to happen. Hold both sides accountable or there will continue to be no accountability which will lead to more issues with this country.

[Xville]

I don't see any halos over anyone's head that breaks the law. I hope they get arrested, tried and convicted if they did the crime.

In terms of raw numbers, the looters seem to be very few versus the mass of people peacefully protesting with BLM.
Are there grifters in the BLM movement...I'm sure there are. There are grifters everywhere.

But protests over police brutality that turn into looting by fringe elements, in my mind are different than a coordinated effort to storm our Capitol to stop the Senate from counting the electoral college votes...putting a lot of lives in jeopardy.
One is a lawful protest about prior actions that gets way the hell out of hand, and the lawbreakers should be punished.

The other is an effort to halt the transfer of power, an American tradition and constitutional activity.

If you really want to talk raw numbers… let’s compare the dollars that have been spent on cities that were destroyed by those “peaceful” protests vs the dolllars spent on Jan. 6th, or the number of arrests, or the number of murders. You live in liberal la la land

[Xuperman]

In terms of raw numbers, the looters seem to be very few versus the mass of people peacefully protesting with BLM.

Exactly 'ville. What raw numbers?

In ALL the wide spread violent "protests" in nothing but Liberal controlled cities, the looters were simply poor inner city locals with zero interest in observing any laws and took full advantage of the chaos.

These were not the people DESTROYING Government facilities and BURNING Police precincts and vehicles. There is no "looting value" in those violent acts. Only a radical anti USA/anti Law Enforcement agenda perpetrated by the HIGHLY ORGANIZED and FUNDED BLM movement, along with the Antifa militants.

To shamelessly cite Poor Boys or Oath Keepers as having any thing close to the influence and money of the BLM cancer, is the definition of disingenuous. Take off your Woke/Blue goggles if possible.

[Xuperman]

If this anti Law enforcement movement is able to continue to fester, the force moral in big blue cities will become a SERIOUS problem. There will be a void to fill and those prospects are nightmarish.

[paulxu]

My point is that both were wrong .

I agreed with this. Note: "I don't see any halos over anyone's head that breaks the law. I hope they get arrested, tried and convicted if they did the crime."

[Smails]

There's a real problem in this country with militant white nationalism

Says who...you? Liberal hack journalists? You have completely blurred the lines between opinion and fact. If you want to cry and bitch about people attacking messengers, so be it. But when the messengers like yourself post opinion articles and try to pass them off as fact, you're going to get called out on your bullshit. You're so warped in your ideology that you can't see the difference.

You ask people to 'reasonably address concerns' that simply don't exist for many. Personally I don't give a rip about white nationalism and I feel it's a completely overblown talking point by a political party who is scared to death of getting creamed in November. I think it's a scare tactic preying on weak minded individuals to whip up emotions.

I mean you seriously described the BLM riots as 'some few people'.....seriously?

[paulxu]

I mean you seriously described the BLM riots as 'some few people'.....seriously?

In terms of the tens of thousands that marched all over the country, yes. As the mayor of Louisville noted, many of the rioters were from out of town.
And I repeat, if they broke the law, they should pay the consequences.

If you don't understand the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and others of their ilk are white nationalists, I can't help you.
If you can't see that Christian nationalism is growing along side, I can't help you.
Maybe the supposed head of the Republican party can:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-americans-kneel-to-god-christian-nationalism-grows-in-gop-2022-7

[noteggs]

In terms of the tens of thousands that marched all over the country, yes. As the mayor of Louisville noted, many of the rioters were from out of town.
And I repeat, if they broke the law, they should pay the consequences.

If you don't understand the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and others of their ilk are white nationalists, I can't help you.
If you can't see that Christian nationalism is growing along side, I can't help you.
Maybe the supposed head of the Republican party can:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-americans-kneel-to-god-christian-nationalism-grows-in-gop-2022-7

It’s truly amazing how MSM continues to tie Republicans into phobias. Guess the xeno, homo, and racist labels are not making much of an impact anymore.

Now they have to tie it into Christianity. Good grief. If I’m not mistaken, God is the bedrock to most religions? Could it be possible (according to your article) he was talking about taking a knee for God and not the government? Amazing how one outlet finds a small opening and they all fall in line along with their followers.

[X-band '01]

In terms of the tens of thousands that marched all over the country, yes. As the mayor of Louisville noted, many of the rioters were from out of town.
And I repeat, if they broke the law, they should pay the consequences.

If you don't understand the Oath Keepers and Proud Boys and others of their ilk are white nationalists, I can't help you.
If you can't see that Christian nationalism is growing along side, I can't help you.
Maybe the supposed head of the Republican party can:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-americans-kneel-to-god-christian-nationalism-grows-in-gop-2022-7

I'm guessing you, unlike all the others here have a clear understanding of Matthew 7:21-23.

[paulxu]

You can watch a little of this and get a flavor of white, christian nationalism.
It's a little scary. Especially if you are a woman.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1549750662522720259

[XU_Lou]

You can watch a little of this and get a flavor of white, christian nationalism.
It's a little scary. Especially if you are a woman.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1549750662522720259

Are there any Qanon conspiracies you don't believe?

[Xuperman]

You can watch a little of this and get a flavor of white, christian nationalism.
It's a little scary. Especially if you are a woman.

https://twitter.com/RightWingWatch/status/1549750662522720259

You can watch a little of this and get a flavor of something far more scary.

https://imkane.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/new-black-panthers-call-for-murder-of-whites-and-babies/

This is where we are headed unless America goes all in supporting our demoralized Law Enforcement and Liberal ADs across the country are replaced.

[xuphan]

You can watch a little of this and get a flavor of something far more scary.

https://imkane.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/new-black-panthers-call-for-murder-of-whites-and-babies/

This is where we are headed unless America goes all in supporting our demoralized Law Enforcement and Liberal ADs across the country are replaced.

Would love to see the New Black Panther Party rumble against the Proud Boys. I’d even settle for BLM against the MAGA fans. Maybe a hell in the cell match? Anyone have connections to put this match together? I would gladly pay money to watch this go down.

[Masterofreality]

She said he was illegitimate because of the assistance he got from Russia.
But...that is far different that not conceding.
She conceded the election to him when she lost..

Hahaha! The same “Russians” that she herself and her campaign created a false story out of whole cloth about?
Clinton knew that those collusion stories were false when she made that statement, if that is your alleged defense of this.
Typical circular strategy of the Dems:
1. Create a false story
2. Allow your friends in the MSM to repeat said story with no verification or back up.
3. The creator then claims said story as fact.
Totally disingenuous. Hilary is a flat out liar.

[paulxu]

Don't tell our Intelligence community this, or the Republican lead Senate Intelligence Committee.
As Republicans, they may not appreciate your criticism.

[Masterofreality]

Don't tell our Intelligence community this, or the Republican lead Senate Intelligence Committee.
As Republicans, they may not appreciate your criticism.

Hmmm. Deception at its best. Yeah, Paul. That even Republicans can be deceived by an elaborate hoax too isn’t the own you think it is. It is possibly Treason.
It should also scare the hell out of you as an American citizen that our “Intelligence Agencies” are so corrupted.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clinton-did-it-robby-mook-michael-sussmann-donald-trump-russia-collusion-alfa-bank-11653084709

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/11/09/trump-collusion-indictment-false-accusations/6336510001/?gnt-cfr=1

https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics/hillary-clinton-robby-mook-fbi/index.html

Just keep being the only guy in the USA that still believes that collusion shit.

[Smails]

You can watch a little of this and get a flavor of something far more scary.

https://imkane.wordpress.com/2010/07/08/new-black-panthers-call-for-murder-of-whites-and-babies/

This is where we are headed unless America goes all in supporting our demoralized Law Enforcement and Liberal ADs across the country are replaced.

Stop with this nonsense. Only right wing, white male, christian groups are an actual threat to this country's safety (forget about what the actual statistics/data say!). Apparently they are positioned to take over the country and a true threat to our Republic.

[MADXSTER]

Hmmm. Deception at its best. Yeah, Paul. That even Republicans can be deceived by an elaborate hoax too isn’t the own you think it is. It is possibly Treason.


IMO this the most under talked about issue since it has become known that Hillary knew that the Russian collusion was fake. She created and condoned the story to spy on her opponent and to win the election. When that didn't happen she let the story grow to the point where a sitting president was very close to being impeached. Let that sink in. This was a political coup and it almost worked. Sure seems like treason to me.

[Xuperman]

Oh Yeah, easily THE most corrupt high level Federal politician in Modern history.

And in more continued insanity from the pathetic left, recent polling suggests she is at the very top of Dem hopefuls for 2024!

This is a sick, sick political party and anyone who could support this wretched bitch has completely lost touch with reality.

[bobbiemcgee]

What about the chronic liars and hypocrites in YOUR party. It's led by trump, cruz, boebert, greene, Lying McCarthy Ron Johnson (lol) Louie crazyman goebert, a guy who voted no on the same sex bill then went to his son's wedding and praised it, Gaetz, a pedophile, Bannon, Rudi, Eastman. Gessuz, they can't even do the math on the last election and instead work to send more fake electors into the system to make sure they win. That's pathetic. Talk about sick puppies. Their fellow republicans testified they were "TEAM CRAZY". Guess you're on "#teamcrazy yourself.

Ans what about these scumbags:


https://kansasreflector.com/2022/07/16/ohio-republicans-attempted-erasure-of-a-10-year-old-rape-victim-is-incredibly-sick-and-disturbed/

[Xville]

Yeah to act like one party has the monopoly on crazy is completely ignorant. There is plenty of crazy to go around.

[GoMuskies]

There is plenty of crazy to go around.

This thread certainly proves that.

[MADXSTER]

What about the chronic liars and hypocrites in YOUR party. It's led by trump, cruz, boebert, greene, Lying McCarthy Ron Johnson (lol) Louie crazyman goebert, a guy who voted no on the same sex bill then went to his son's wedding and praised it, Gaetz, a pedophile, Bannon, Rudi, Eastman. Gessuz, they can't even do the math on the last election and instead work to send more fake electors into the system to make sure they win. That's pathetic. Talk about sick puppies. Their fellow republicans testified they were "TEAM CRAZY". Guess you're on "#teamcrazy yourself.

Ans what about these scumbags:


https://kansasreflector.com/2022/07/16/ohio-republicans-attempted-erasure-of-a-10-year-old-rape-victim-is-incredibly-sick-and-disturbed/

This isn't lying about political campaign promises. This is about creating a false/narrative story to oust a sitting president of the United States. I don't care what side of the isle your preference is, this should never ever happen. Period. Why are heads not rolling? Why is no one talking bout this?

[paulxu]

This isn't lying about political campaign promises. This is about creating a false/narrative story to oust a sitting president of the United States. I don't care what side of the isle your preference is, this should never ever happen. Period. Why are heads not rolling? Why is no one talking bout this?

The "dossier" was clearly bullshit. But that has nothing to do with Trump campaign people meeting with Russians in Trump tower, or Manafort sharing polling data that Russia used to influence Americans through Facebook. You may quibble about are those things "collusion", but credible people in intelligence and the Senate might call it that.

But Trump wasn't almost "ousted" for those as you note. He was impeached for his own actions with the Ukraine call and January 6th. If a few Republican senators would have stepped up like they did in Watergate, he would be gone for good instead of continuing to spread lies and nonsense.

[XU_Lou]

Well, you gotta give Paul an A for his effort in trying to distract us from inflation, rampant crime, the illegal alien invasion, massive corruption in the DOJ, and the guilt he must feel for voting for a guy that took showers with his young daughter...

[Xuperman]

Stop with this nonsense. Only right wing, white male, christian groups are an actual threat to this country's safety (forget about what the actual statistics/data say!). Apparently they are positioned to take over the country and a true threat to our Republic.

This narrative bookends nicely with the "America systemically Racist" narrative. Who thinks the Progressive Left's allies in the MSM, will start running with this?

https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/24/us/white-christian-nationalism-blake-cec/index.html

This has got to be one of the most disturbing articles I've ever read. CNN and people like John Blake pose the actual threat to our Republic. The blatant effort to divide us is being masterfully done!

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, you gotta give Paul an A for his effort in trying to distract us from inflation, rampant crime, the illegal alien invasion, massive corruption in the DOJ, and the guilt he must feel for voting for a guy that took showers with his young daughter...

Fake news - "We investigated the claims provided to us, as journalists do. We took steps to corroborate the authenticity of the diary. At the end of the day, we made the ethical decision that because, in part, we could not determine if the diary was real, if the diary in fact belonged to Ashley Biden, or if the contents of the diary occurred, we could not publish the diary and any part thereof." - J Okeefe Project Veritas founder

"Misbar’s investigation found that this source is highly questionable. For an anonymous whistleblower to be credible, the publication must also be credible. In this regard, the National File fails. MediaBias lists it under conspiracy pseudoscience, referring to the website as “InfoWars-light.”

[paulxu]

This has got to be one of the most disturbing articles I've ever read. The blatant effort to divide us is being masterfully done!

The truth of that article "disturbed you?" You think stating the obvious is an effort to divide?

You should move to north Georgia where you'll fit right in.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-christian-nationalism-republican-party_n_62dd70bde4b081f3a9007344

[bobbiemcgee]

"Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.), another conservative firebrand, advocated for abolishing that clause last month, saying “the church is supposed to direct the government” and that she’s “tired of this separation of church and state junk.”

She should know a lot about "junk". Her husband pulled his junk out at a bowling alley in front of several teenage girls.

[XU_Lou]

Fake news - "We investigated the claims provided to us, as journalists do. We took steps to corroborate the authenticity of the diary. At the end of the day, we made the ethical decision that because, in part, we could not determine if the diary was real, if the diary in fact belonged to Ashley Biden, or if the contents of the diary occurred, we could not publish the diary and any part thereof." - J Okeefe Project Veritas founder

"Misbar’s investigation found that this source is highly questionable. For an anonymous whistleblower to be credible, the publication must also be credible. In this regard, the National File fails. MediaBias lists it under conspiracy pseudoscience, referring to the website as “InfoWars-light.”

Hmmm, you might want to tell the FBI about that....

That quote is dated from 11/5/21. The following day the FBI raided Okeefe's home looking for the diary. Doesn't sound too fake to me....

Furthermore, as of 6/16/22, Aimee Harris was under FBI investigation for selling Ashley Biden's diary after finding it at a Palm Beach 'halfway house'.

Nice try... The hair-sniffer you voted for is an incestuous pedophile....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8OYNxkGRg0

[Masterofreality]

God help the US higher education system.
This is the bullshit your side is doing Paul.

https://apple.news/A1LyokaMVTNeTUAmGLmFLDA

[Xuperman]

The truth of that article "disturbed you?" You think stating the obvious is an effort to divide?

You should move to north Georgia where you'll fit right in.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marjorie-taylor-greene-christian-nationalism-republican-party_n_62dd70bde4b081f3a9007344

HuffPost Paul? Give me a second to stop laughing!

Ok.....if you use words like "truth" and "obvious" in response, you just look like you have completely lost the ability to think for yourself. Both words in the context of your post suggest FACT. There is ZERO means....no way possible, to support this destroy America narrative.

[Smails]

HuffPost Paul? Give me a second to stop laughing!

Ok.....if you use words like "truth" and "obvious" in response, you just look like you have completely lost the ability to think for yourself. Both words in the context of your post suggest FACT. There is ZERO means....no way possible, to support this destroy America narrative.

Don't bother. He does not understand the difference between fact/truth and biased opinion. It's quite sad..

[bobbiemcgee]

Hmmm, you might want to tell the FBI about that....

That quote is dated from 11/5/21. The following day the FBI raided Okeefe's home looking for the diary. Doesn't sound too fake to me....

Furthermore, as of 6/16/22, Aimee Harris was under FBI investigation for selling Ashley Biden's diary after finding it at a Palm Beach 'halfway house'.



Wondered when you would run a clip from the asshat tucker. fake news

[bobbiemcgee]

HuffPost Paul? Give me a second to stop laughing!

Ok.....if you use words like "truth" and "obvious" in response, you just look like you have completely lost the ability to think for yourself. Both words in the context of your post suggest FACT. There is ZERO means....no way possible, to support this destroy America narrative.

Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. They just quoted the conservative nextnewsnetwork twitter


https://twitter.com/NextNewsNetwork/status/1551204108471861248

[paulxu]

HuffPost Paul? Give me a second to stop laughing!

Ok.....if you use words like "truth" and "obvious" in response, you just look like you have completely lost the ability to think for yourself. Both words in the context of your
post suggest FACT. There is ZERO means....no way possible, to support this destroy America narrative.


Don't bother. He does not understand the difference between fact/truth and biased opinion. It's quite sad..

Let's see. I sent a link that has MTG saying she is a Christian Nationalist. Are you saying she's lying? Did they make up the quote from her?
You guys need a LOT of help.

[paulxu]

I forgot, you guys need visuals. Go to the 38 second mark. Now, if she says it on video....is it a left wing lie?
Maybe it's a fake video. If so, I stand corrected.

https://twitter.com/NextNewsNetwork/status/1551204108471861248

[bobbiemcgee]

I forgot, you guys need visuals. Go to the 38 second mark. Now, if she says it on video....is it a left wing lie?
Maybe it's a fake video. If so, I stand corrected.

https://twitter.com/NextNewsNetwork/status/1551204108471861248

"we should be the party of Christian Nationalists" duh.

[paulxu]

God help the US higher education system.
This is the bullshit your side is doing Paul.

https://apple.news/A1LyokaMVYTNeTUAmGLmFLDA (https://apple.news/A1LyokaMVTNeTUAmGLmFLDA)

You join an opinion that is very unpopular with the majority of Americans, you might get some people exercising their right to disagree with the ruling.
He suggests that maybe same sex marriage and contraception could be on the agenda to do away with those rights. (no mention of inter racial marriage; wonder why not?)

But he could have continued to teach the class. Man up and do it. He chose to opt out; they didn't ask him to quit.

“Justice Thomas informed GW Law that he is unavailable to co-teach a constitutional law seminar this fall,” George Washington University spokesperson Josh Grossman said in a statement.

You young 'uns might want to stock up on contraception means in case they outlaw that next.

[GoMuskies]

The opinion was very popular with me (and my wife)!

Justice Thomas came to Chapel Hill and spoke to my 1L class at Carolina Law back in 2000 (with zero backlash from a group that was very liberal). There is a 0% chance that could happen today. It's pretty amazing, really.

[XU_Lou]

I'm glad Paul and Bobbie continue to focus on issues that literally no one gives a rats ass about.

[Strange Brew]

You join an opinion that is very unpopular with the majority of Americans, you might get some people exercising their right to disagree with the ruling.
He suggests that maybe same sex marriage and contraception could be on the agenda to do away with those rights. (no mention of inter racial marriage; wonder why not?)

But he could have continued to teach the class. Man up and do it. He chose to opt out; they didn't ask him to quit.


You young 'uns might want to stock up on contraception means in case they outlaw that next.

The students lost a good Legal mind. I may have disagreed with RBG but I would’ve listen to her speak and have been interested in her class.

This whole thing about contraception is dumb and isn’t going to happen. The Court could send homosexual marriage back to the States (per the Constitution) but I doubt it as this Court has said it won’t take up the case (I hope they don’t personally). The inter-racial red herring is so dumb you should be embarrassed.

Rights are not granted by the Court or removed either. That’s not how a Constitutional Republic with Democratically elected Representatives works at all.

[Smails]

Let's see. I sent a link that has MTG saying she is a Christian Nationalist. Are you saying she's lying? Did they make up the quote from her?
You guys need a LOT of help.

Again...a few interviews/quotes from a few people in a poorly framed Op-ed does not constitute a crisis or a threat to the republic. MTG is a loon. What you did is akin to someone quoting AOC and following up by saying "see...all democrats want socialism". Or quoting Omar and saying "see... people in Minnesota hate Jews" You're either being completely intellectually dishonest or willfully obtuse. You still won't address the fact that you're using Op-eds as a basis for your concerns that white christian nationalists are going to burn our country down. There's literally zero data that suggests that...only conjecture by politically motivated operators..err 'journalists'

[paulxu]

The students lost a good Legal mind. I may have disagreed with RBG but I would’ve listen to her speak and have been interested in her class.

This whole thing about contraception is dumb and isn’t going to happen. The Court could send homosexual marriage back to the States (per the Constitution) but I doubt it as this Court has said it won’t take up the case (I hope they don’t personally). The inter-racial red herring is so dumb you should be embarrassed.

Rights are not granted by the Court or removed either. That’s not how a Constitutional Republic with Democratically elected Representatives works at all.

I think he should have taught the class, and I'm sure the students would appreciate his insights on the constitution.
As to them saying they won't take up other cases....they weren't going to take up Roe either.
Here's Thomas on the other things he wants to revisit/over turn.


Justice Thomas wrote his own concurring opinion, arguing that since the court has overturned the constitutional right to an abortion, which was grounded in the 14th Amendment and the due process clause, other cases that have been rooted in the same right to privacy could all be reconsidered.

Those include:

The Griswold v. Connecticut case from 1965 that said states couldn’t bar married couples from making private decisions about birth control use.
The Lawrence v. Texas case from 2003 that said states couldn’t criminalize consensual sexual relations between same-sex partners.
The Obergefell v. Hodges case from 2015 that legalized same-sex marriage.

“For that reason, in future cases, we should reconsider all of this Court’s substantive due process precedents, including Griswold, Lawrence, and Obergefell,” Thomas wrote.

Thomas also wrote of the Dobbs case that “The resolution of this case is thus straightforward. Because the Due Process Clause does not secure any substantive rights, it does not secure a right to abortion.”

Inter-racial marriage is grounded on the same legal theory as those cases. The fact that he leaves it out isn't a red herring. It's quite telling.

[paulxu]

Smails, I'm not saying White christian nationalists are going to burn our country down.
I'm saying they are a concern to me as I believe in the separation of church and state.
But it is quite a mainstream Republican deal now, coming more and more out from the shadows.
The GOP nominee for governor of PA uses the avowedly christian nationalist social site of Gab to push his campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/28/gop-pa-governor-nominee-under-fire-ties-with-white-nationalist-site/

[Strange Brew]

I think he should have taught the class, and I'm sure the students would appreciate his insights on the constitution.
As to them saying they won't take up other cases....they weren't going to take up Roe either.
Here's Thomas on the other things he wants to revisit/over turn.

Inter-racial marriage is grounded on the same legal theory as those cases. The fact that he leaves it out isn't a red herring. It's quite telling.

Thomas’ opinion is one of 9 and the court has no interest in those other cases. The opinions of those 9 do not remove or codify Rights. If you’re referencing the 5th, reread it. It does not apply to any of these cases. The best argument is the 9th or 14th but the 9th is answered by the 10th. So the 14th, not the 5th is a better discussion than privacy.

As to a Right to privacy, You currently don’t have it. Ask the Jan 6th protestors identified thru geo-location. That, may not pass a 5th challenge.

A Federal “law” does not codify a Right, only an Amendment does.

Who wrote this piece you quoted?

[Strange Brew]

Smails, I'm not saying White christian nationalists are going to burn our country down.
I'm saying they are a concern to me as I believe in the separation of church and state.
But it is quite a mainstream Republican deal now, coming more and more out from the shadows.
The GOP nominee for governor of PA uses the avowedly christian nationalist social site of Gab to push his campaign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/07/28/gop-pa-governor-nominee-under-fire-ties-with-white-nationalist-site/

Please point to where such a Separation exists in the Constitution. Is someone proposing a National religion? We have no national religion nor should we. Nor should we limit the expression of any religion. That, is what the 1st states clearly.

[XU_Lou]

Democrat NJ Councilwoman Accused of Hitting Cyclist and NOT Stopping:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBVi4okV7n8

[XU_Lou]

The AP News in 2019:

"The increase reported by the Office for National Statistics follows a 0.2% contraction in the second quarter which stoked talk of a recession, widely defined as two consecutive quarters of economic contraction."


The AP News today:

"The U.S. economy shrank from April through June for a second straight quarter, contracting at a 0.9% annual pace and raising fears that the nation may be approaching a recession."


Sadly, the AP News is one of only three news sources that Hogan's hero consumes, and he thinks he's getting truthful unbiased news from them....



https://apnews.com/article/ap-top-news-london-boris-johnson-international-news-brexit-953b916810e54231979738e8f3032d8e

https://apnews.com/article/us-economy-shrinks-4ffd93331422cb131a974223dad5825f

[paulxu]

Who wrote this piece you quoted?

Clarence Thomas.

[Masterofreality]

You join an opinion that is very unpopular with the majority of Americans, you might get some people exercising their right to disagree with the ruling.
He suggests that maybe same sex marriage and contraception could be on the agenda to do away with those rights. (no mention of inter racial marriage; wonder why not?)

But he could have continued to teach the class. Man up and do it. He chose to opt out; they didn't ask him to quit.


You young 'uns might want to stock up on contraception means in case they outlaw that next.

Once you get past 15 weeks, or the first trimester, 65% of Americans oppose abortion. And France bans it after 12 weeks.
The Mississippi law called for a post 15 week ban. So no. The “majority” of Americans do not oppose the opinion as it was based on Mississippi.
Tell me Paul. Do you support an “opportunity” (since it is NOT a “right” contained in the Constitution) for a woman to choose to abort up to the moment before a baby is born? Because that is what your party wants to enshrine.

[paulxu]

Please point to where such a Separation exists in the Constitution. Is someone proposing a National religion? We have no national religion nor should we. Nor should we limit the expression of any religion. That, is what the 1st states clearly.

I concur with these thoughts. The original colonists were fleeing religious persecution.
Although separation is not noted in the Constitution (except by implication in the protection afforded in the 1st amendment), I would agree with Jefferson that there is a wall, and the 1st protects all religious expression.
Which is why "white Christian nationalism" is so troubling. Especially if you are not white, a Christian, or a nationalist.

[paulxu]

The “majority” of Americans do not oppose the opinion as it was based on Mississippi.

The opinion did not establish the Mississippi standard of 15 weeks. It left it open to all states, some of which have zero standard.
Don't you live in Ohio; I think they have a hard 6 weeks with no exception for the rape of a 10 year old girl.

So yes...the majority of Americans oppose this reasoning.

[noteggs]

The opinion did not establish the Mississippi standard of 15 weeks. It left it open to all states, some of which have zero standard.
Don't you live in Ohio; I think they have a hard 6 weeks with no exception for the rape of a 10 year old girl.

So yes...the majority of Americans oppose this reasoning.

Wrong on Ohio

[Strange Brew]

Clarence Thomas.

The quoted portions were indeed written by the Justice. Who cobbled them together in this manner and published it?

[Strange Brew]

I concur with these thoughts. The original colonists were fleeing religious persecution.
Although separation is not noted in the Constitution (except by implication in the protection afforded in the 1st amendment), I would agree with Jefferson that there is a wall, and the 1st protects all religious expression.
Which is why "white Christian nationalism" is so troubling. Especially if you are not white, a Christian, or a nationalist.

Not all of them.

The is no “Wall” (of separation) in the 1st in the context of Jefferson’s letter to a religious sect/church in New England. That letter has been used to trample on the free expression of religion which was never intended for some time.

[paulxu]

Wrong on Ohio

Sorry. What's the current Ohio law?

[paulxu]

Not all of them.

The is no “Wall” (of separation) in the 1st in the context of Jefferson’s letter to a religious sect/church in New England. That letter has been used to trample on the free expression of religion which was never intended for some time.

Just curious. My memory is that his letter has been used to uphold the separation of church and state, protecting the freedom of religious expression.

In Everson v. Board of Education (1947), which first applied the First Amendment’s establishment clause to the states, the Supreme Court relied on Jefferson’s metaphor in announcing a strict standard of separation between church and state.

Justice Hugo L. Black concluded his opinion for the Court’s majority with the pronouncement that “[t]he First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach. New Jersey has not breached it here.”

When has it been used to trample the free expression of religion?

[Strange Brew]

Just curious. My memory is that his letter has been used to uphold the separation of church and state, protecting the freedom of religious expression.


When has it been used to trample the free expression of religion?

Banning prayer in schools and gov't buildings.
Ask a couple of bakeries
Removal of religious symbols from gov't buildings

To name a few.

[Strange Brew]

Just curious. My memory is that his letter has been used to uphold the separation of church and state, protecting the freedom of religious expression.


When has it been used to trample the free expression of religion?

Banning prayer in schools and gov't buildings.
Ask a couple of bakeries
Removal of religious symbols from gov't buildings

To name a few.

[Xuperman]

Banning prayer in schools and gov't buildings.
Ask a couple of bakeries
Removal of religious symbols from gov't buildings

To name a few.

On the flip, wasn't there a law suit filed in Michigan a few years back, where a Muslim student/family was offended by the "smell" of bacon being cooked? Cited freedom of religious doctrine, some of which states that Jews have Pig/Monkey DNA.

[Masterofreality]

The opinion did not establish the Mississippi standard of 15 weeks. It left it open to all states, some of which have zero standard.
Don't you live in Ohio; I think they have a hard 6 weeks with no exception for the rape of a 10 year old girl.

So yes...the majority of Americans oppose this reasoning.

The majority of Americans want to be able to vote on things and not have them ruled on by Fiat when they are not in the Constitution.
Or are you against Democracy and a Republic Paul, which is exactly what this ruling allows for?

By the way, you ignored my question as to when you think a woman should have the opportunity to abort a baby? Up until the moment it crowns like your party wants it to be? That is HIGHLY unpopular.

[Strange Brew]

On the flip, wasn't there a law suit filed in Michigan a few years back, where a Muslim student/family was offended by the "smell" of bacon being cooked? Cited freedom of religious doctrine, some of which states that Jews have Pig/Monkey DNA.

Not aware of that case. How did the Court rule?

[paulxu]

Banning prayer in schools and gov't buildings.
Ask a couple of bakeries
Removal of religious symbols from gov't buildings

To name a few.

That's keeping religion and state things separate. Exactly what the ruling pointed out.
You put the religious symbol of one religion on a government building, you have state (the government) sponsoring a religion.
You align the government with that religion to the exclusion of others.
The White Nationalists will love you.

[noteggs]

Sorry. What's the current Ohio law?

The current 6-week ban in Ohio makes it illegal to perform an abortion once a fetus has a heartbeat. So still legal if no heartbeat is detected. Hence - the heartbeat bill.

As for exceptions in rape cases, this is true. However, in the case of the 10 year old, she would most likely qualify for a medical condition because of her age and build.

BTW, this whole 10 year old situation has been so politicized from both sides it’s flat out disgusting (not by you, but in general)! Nothing like using someone in her mental and physical state as a political football.

[paulxu]

The majority of Americans want to be able to vote on things and not have them ruled on by Fiat when they are not in the Constitution.
Or are you against Democracy and a Republic Paul, which is exactly what this ruling allows for?

By the way, you ignored my question as to when you think a woman should have the opportunity to abort a baby? Up until the moment it crowns like your party wants it to be? That is HIGHLY unpopular.

Down where I live they tried the states' rights issue, much to the country's pain in the 1800's.
There are some issues the constitution should cover for all people. People disagree on a lot of them, and privacy is a tough one.
Am fascinated by your insistence on either/or questions. Do you still beat your wife.?

I'm not personally in favor of abortion when people can have unwanted babies adopted.
I would never suppose to put my believe on some one else. Heck, 150 years ago the church supported abortion up to 6 or 7 weeks. Now it's changed.

I for darn sure wouldn't keep women who were in danger of making the choice for their health...that's their and their doctor's choice. Not some state they may live in today and not tomorrow.
I'm certainly against the state telling the woman what to do, regardless of what I believe. If she has been raped or a victim of incest, she should choose.
Not the state. Any state.
Women will suffer now as "states" figure out what to do. They are being asked to suffer ectopic pregnancies and partial miscarriages until they are in danger, because the doctors are afraid of the legal community. We have not served the well being of women with this latest ruling.

[Strange Brew]

That's keeping religion and state things separate. Exactly what the ruling pointed out.
You put the religious symbol of one religion on a government building, you have state (the government) sponsoring a religion.
You align the government with that religion to the exclusion of others.
The White Nationalists will love you.

No you don’t Paul. Other symbols can be put up and have been on Gov’t property.

Banning prayer is exactly what I’m talking about which you avoided.

No, they wouldn’t Paul. I’m not a fan of them but luckily I’ve never seen or heard of them except your posts. Same goes for Q (only know about it because you and a few others are obsessed by it).

[paulxu]

Banning prayer is a interesting issue. The Senate has a chaplain.
In the Navy, we had chaplains of all different faiths, and you could go to a service of your faith.

Putting a religious symbol of one faith on a government building to the exclusion of others, seem to be favoritism that is problematic.
You may not know white christian nationalists, but just listen to those in congress. They would love just a Christian country.
Not sure if that is helpful.

[paulxu]

Banning prayer is a interesting issue. The Senate has a chaplain.
In the Navy, we had chaplains of all different faiths, and you could go to a service of your faith.

Putting a religious symbol of one faith on a government building to the exclusion of others, seem to be favoritism that is problematic.
You may not know white christian nationalists, but just listen to those in congress. They would love just a Christian country.
Not sure if that is helpful.

[Strange Brew]

Banning prayer is a interesting issue. The Senate has a chaplain.
In the Navy, we had chaplains of all different faiths, and you could go to a service of your faith.

Putting a religious symbol of one faith on a government building to the exclusion of others, seem to be favoritism that is problematic.
You may not know white christian nationalists, but just listen to those in congress. They would love just a Christian country.
Not sure if that is helpful.

When you were in the Navy eons ago yes. Not now.

There is now law banning other religions from putting up symbols. The Satanists have had displays at court houses for some time.

Who is advocating for a Christian only country.

No this wasn't helpful at all Paul. Was it helpful to you?

[Strange Brew]

Banning prayer is a interesting issue. The Senate has a chaplain.
In the Navy, we had chaplains of all different faiths, and you could go to a service of your faith.

Putting a religious symbol of one faith on a government building to the exclusion of others, seem to be favoritism that is problematic.
You may not know white christian nationalists, but just listen to those in congress. They would love just a Christian country.
Not sure if that is helpful.

When you were in the Navy could the chaplain lead a voluntary prayer before battle or was religious expression limited to the Chapels?

There is no law banning other religions from putting up symbols. The Satanists have had displays at court houses for some time.

Who is advocating for a Christian only country.

No this wasn't helpful at all Paul. Was it helpful to you?

Edit: It was instructive in that you are attempting to tie Christianity to white nationalism.

[paulxu]

Wonder why some posts go up twice.

Sorry Brew, you lost me. No chaplains in the Navy now? 800 chaplains/100 faiths.
https://www.navy.com/careers/navy-chaplain

(Yes, it was a long time ago I was in the Navy. Not eons, but close)

See post 14170 above for a link to a congresswoman advocating for a Christian nation. Thought we answered this before.
Maybe helpful now.

[Strange Brew]

Wonder why some posts go up twice.

Sorry Brew, you lost me. No chaplains in the Navy now? 800 chaplains/100 faiths.
https://www.navy.com/careers/navy-chaplain

(Yes, it was a long time ago I was in the Navy. Not eons, but close)

See post 14170 above for a link to a congresswoman advocating for a Christian nation. Thought we answered this before.
Maybe helpful now.

Hi Paul, I edited my post to reflect what I meant. Thanks for correcting the "no Chaplain" comment.

I listened to the video. I don't think she meant we need to be a Christian nation. She said, as Republicans, we need to be Nationalists (America first) and Christians. Then said we need to be Christian Nationalists (which was a really inarticulate way of saying what she meant but that's MTG).

She also said nothing about "white" unless YOU think all Christians are white. Which is really stupid.

Again, are you at attempting to tie Christianity to "white" nationalism?

[paulxu]

Again, are you at attempting to tie Christianity to "white" nationalism?

Many do: https://news.yale.edu/2022/03/15/yale-sociologist-phil-gorski-threat-white-christian-nationalism

Probably goes back to our nation's beginning when black people were less than humans; actually property.

[Strange Brew]

Many do: https://news.yale.edu/2022/03/15/yale-sociologist-phil-gorski-threat-white-christian-nationalism

Probably goes back to our nation's beginning when black people were less than humans; actually property.

A professor of sociology. Shocking.

Do you agree with the Prof?

[Masterofreality]

Down where I live they tried the states' rights issue, much to the country's pain in the 1800's.
There are some issues the constitution should cover for all people. People disagree on a lot of them, and privacy is a tough one.
Am fascinated by your insistence on either/or questions. Do you still beat your wife.?

I'm not personally in favor of abortion when people can have unwanted babies adopted.
I would never suppose to put my believe on some one else. Heck, 150 years ago the church supported abortion up to 6 or 7 weeks. Now it's changed.

I for darn sure wouldn't keep women who were in danger of making the choice for their health...that's their and their doctor's choice. Not some state they may live in today and not tomorrow.
I'm certainly against the state telling the woman what to do, regardless of what I believe. If she has been raped or a victim of incest, she should choose.
Not the state. Any state.
Women will suffer now as "states" figure out what to do. They are being asked to suffer ectopic pregnancies and partial miscarriages until they are in danger, because the doctors are afraid of the legal community. We have not served the well being of women with this latest ruling.

“States” are “figuring out what to do” based upon what the people’s elected representatives will decide what to do from their constituent’s wishes. That sounds an awful like what “Democracy” is rather than the people being ruled by some dictate by some unelected party- which is awful like a “Dictatorship”.
Which of those two scenarios sound like Democracy is in Danger? Hmmmm.
And, ok. Let’s see if California or New York wish to secede from the Union over this issue. Not quite the same, but you do you

[noteggs]

A professor of sociology. Shocking.

Do you agree with the Prof?

For some reason I was intrigued by Paul’s fascination using the term white Christian nationalist, so I did a little research on where it came from. Surprise surprise it started in academia and is now being touted by MSM.

My guess is because of the J6 hearing, Trump, and his followers are discussed a lot. Also, it ties nicely into Republicans are well you know racists, xenophobic, and homophobic who hide behind and distort Christianity. Finally, they think SCOTUS is ruling based off religion vs the Constitution.

The names that are most vocal about this conspiracy are Philip Gorski (Paul’s attached article and went to Berkeley), Samuel Perry (both professors in sociology - shocker indeed), and Kristin Du Mez (professor in history and gender studies). All have written books about it and are now quoted or guests on MSM. BTW, their Twitter followers are quite the echo chamber and progressive.

Amazing how people continue to label a class of people based off their own beliefs. Oh yeah, you’re right, MTG is a loon.

[Xuperman]

For some reason I was intrigued by Paul’s fascination using the term white Christian nationalist, so I did a little research on where it came from. Surprise surprise it started in academia and is now being touted by MSM.

My guess is because of the J6 hearing, Trump, and his followers are discussed a lot. Also, it ties nicely into Republicans are well you know racists, xenophobic, and homophobic who hide behind and distort Christianity. Finally, they think SCOTUS is ruling based off religion vs the Constitution.

The names that are most vocal about this conspiracy are Philip Gorski (Paul’s attached article and went to Berkeley), Samuel Perry (both professors in sociology - shocker indeed), and Kristin Du Mez (professor in history and gender studies). All have written books about it and are now quoted or guests on MSM. BTW, their Twitter followers are quite the echo chamber and progressive.

Amazing how people continue to label a class of people based off their own beliefs. Oh yeah, you’re right, MTG is a loon.

Wow, FANTASTIC post!

[paulxu]

Imagine that; a sociology professor commenting on a sociological trend.

It's amazing! Would be almost like a chemistry professor commenting on chemistry, or a math professor commenting on math, or a ....

Who would have ever thought of that?

[Strange Brew]

Imagine that; a sociology professor commenting on a sociological trend.

It's amazing! Would be almost like a chemistry professor commenting on chemistry, or a math professor commenting on math, or a ....

Who would have ever thought of that?

Imagine a soft sciences prof making something sensational up to get published and sell books.

[Smails]

Imagine that; a sociology professor commenting on a sociological trend.



Where's the non-anecdotal data on this 'trend'?

Is there any proof beyond op-ed articles and private sector professor musings that this is a real growing movement that needs to be addressed? Paul, there are real problems in this country. People are suffering financially. Great American cities are being overrun with rampant crime and homelessness. There's enough fentanyl flowing through our southern border to kill millions of people and we have a President whose 6 quarter approval rating is the lowest in our history. We have an entire generation of children suffering mentally from Covid lock-downs, e-learning and social anxiety.

That fact that people let the media distract them with red herrings while real problems exist is fascinating to me.

[Smails]

Imagine that; a sociology professor commenting on a sociological trend.



Where's the non-anecdotal data on this 'trend'?

Is there any proof beyond op-ed articles and private sector professor musings that this is a real growing movement that needs to be addressed? Paul, there are real problems in this country. People are suffering financially. Great American cities are being overrun with rampant crime and homelessness. There's enough fentanyl flowing through our southern border to kill millions of people and we have a President whose 6 quarter approval rating is the lowest in our history. We have an entire generation of children suffering mentally from Covid lock-downs, e-learning and social anxiety.

That fact that people let the media distract them with red herrings while real problems exist is fascinating to me.

[XU_Lou]

The world, apparently, is warming faster than the rest of the world!!

You can't make this shit up. Who in the hell believes any of this crap? These are all actual headlines:

South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the world: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/

[Strange Brew]

The world, apparently, is warming faster than the rest of the world!!

You can't make this shit up. Who in the hell believes any of this crap? These are all actual headlines:

South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the world: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/

Haha, that is too good Lou. My dinner is warming faster than the rest of the world!

[Xuperman]

Where's the non-anecdotal data on this 'trend'?

Is there any proof beyond op-ed articles and private sector professor musings that this is a real growing movement that needs to be addressed? Paul, there are real problems in this country. People are suffering financially. Great American cities are being overrun with rampant crime and homelessness. There's enough fentanyl flowing through our southern border to kill millions of people and we have a President whose 6 quarter approval rating is the lowest in our history. We have an entire generation of children suffering mentally from Covid lock-downs, e-learning and social anxiety.

That fact that people let the media distract them with red herrings while real problems exist is fascinating to me.

Dang SMAILS,
It doesn't get much better than that post! Mid-terms can't get here soon enough.

[Xuperman]

Andrew Yang, along with Former NJ Governor Whitman are actively recruiting candidates for their "Forward" party.....predicting to be on ballots in all 50 states by 2024. I guess they could generate more support than the Green Party, IF their platform can present common sense solutions to the "fundamentally change America" agenda that is destroying the current Democratic Party. Also, if they could avoid any strong stance on these ridiculous social issues would be a huge plus.

Let's say they can communicate an agenda that appeals to independants and moderates on both sides. I suppose they could approach double digit support in some elections that matter. Let's say Yang can get himself on the ballot in all 50 states for POTUS in 2024 and campaigns heavy on say, a secure boarder policy or a pro Law enforcement platform, he could easily get 8/9% of the electorate. Especially if it's Trump/Biden 2.0.

If that happened, which traditional ticket would it hurt more?

[UCGRAD4X]

Andrew Yang, along with Former NJ Governor Whitman are actively recruiting candidates for their "Forward" party.....predicting to be on ballots in all 50 states by 2024. I guess they could generate more support than the Green Party, IF their platform can present common sense solutions to the "fundamentally change America" agenda that is destroying the current Democratic Party. Also, if they could avoid any strong stance on these ridiculous social issues would be a huge plus.

Let's say they can communicate an agenda that appeals to independants and moderates on both sides. I suppose they could approach double digit support in some elections that matter. Let's say Yang can get himself on the ballot in all 50 states for POTUS in 2024 and campaigns heavy on say, a secure boarder policy or a pro Law enforcement platform, he could easily get 8/9% of the electorate. Especially if it's Trump/Biden 2.0.

If that happened, which traditional ticket would it hurt more?

That's a great question. Both parties are likely looking for 'real' alternatives. Both parties also have a large rabid base for whom it will not matter. It could come down to two factors. First how "realistic" the voters see any 3rd party and who starts to campaign more toward the center. Although the Dems seem to have a better track record of campaigning more toward the center (and then, of course, legislating to the left). I don't know. It seems more lately even the Dems are all in on the Progressive agenda come-what-may. And Trump....not sure he ever pulled a punch.

[Masterofreality]

The world, apparently, is warming faster than the rest of the world!!

You can't make this shit up. Who in the hell believes any of this crap? These are all actual headlines:

South pole warming three times faster than rest of the world: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jun/30/south-pole-warming-three-times-faster-than-rest-of-the-world-our-research-shows

The Arctic is warming four times faster than the rest of the world: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Africa warming faster than rest of world: https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/africa/africa-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-ipcc-sixth-assessment-report-78424

Europe is warming faster than the rest of the world and scientists are puzzled: https://www.space.com/europe-climate-warming-faster-than-world

Israel warming up almost twice as fast as rest of world: https://www.ynetnews.com/environment/article/rjdyrxt8f

Russia is 'warming 2.5 times quicker' than the rest of the world: https://theworld.org/stories/2015-12-25/russia-warming-25-times-quicker-rest-world

Canada is getting warmer faster than the rest of the world: https://www.cbc.ca/news/science/what-on-earth-newsletter-stopping-a-hurricane-canada-getting-warmer-1.5084433

Mexico is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.sandiegored.com/en/news/200115/Mexico-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-planet-they-say

Finland is warming faster than the rest of the world: https://www.helsinkitimes.fi/world-int/world-news/finland-in-the-world-press/13155-finland-is-warming-faster-than-the-rest-of-the-world.html

Australia warming faster than world: https://www.ft.com/content/d15bc650-9b0c-11db-aa70-0000779e2340

U.S. West warming faster than rest of world: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-environment-west/u-s-west-warming-faster-than-rest-of-world-study-idUSN2728295220080328

New England is warming faster than the rest of the planet: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/30/science/new-england-is-warming-faster-than-rest-planet-new-study-finds/

Great Lakes states are warming faster than the rest of the country: https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/wisconsin/2019/03/21/climate-change-great-lakes-region-warming-faster-than-rest-u-s/3229219002/

BELIEVE ALL MEDIA!!
Holy Cripes! I guess the memo went out!

[bobbiemcgee]

Dang SMAILS,
It doesn't get much better than that post! Mid-terms can't get here soon enough.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-political-environment-might-be-improving-for-democrats/

"toss up"

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2022-election-forecast/senate/?cid=rrpromo

[XU_Lou]

Where's the non-anecdotal data on this 'trend'?

Is there any proof beyond op-ed articles and private sector professor musings that this is a real growing movement that needs to be addressed? Paul, there are real problems in this country. People are suffering financially. Great American cities are being overrun with rampant crime and homelessness. There's enough fentanyl flowing through our southern border to kill millions of people and we have a President whose 6 quarter approval rating is the lowest in our history. We have an entire generation of children suffering mentally from Covid lock-downs, e-learning and social anxiety.

That fact that people let the media distract them with red herrings while real problems exist is fascinating to me.

I wonder why Paul is ignoring this....

[paulxu]

The article was filled with "non-anecdotal" data and the book traces the history and provides surveys.

I can't do all your work for you. The crisis mentioned are certainly real and are being addressed. They have nothing to do with the growing threat of white, christian nationalism.

[STL_XUfan]

Banning prayer in schools and gov't buildings.
Ask a couple of bakeries
Removal of religious symbols from gov't buildings

To name a few.



There is no law banning other religions from putting up symbols. The Satanists have had displays at court houses for some time.



You have stumbled into the right answer. The first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

To comply with the above, the position of the government has to be completely neutral and evenly applied as to all religions. So if you want Christian symbols in a government building, that is fine but you have to allow every other religion to also have their symbols (hence the Satanists you referenced).

Or if you do not want to allow it, that is also fine so long as you ban everything. You can likely have prayer in school, but you have to allow it for all religions, which I would imagine would take some time to get through in the morning announcements.

[Strange Brew]

You have stumbled into the right answer. The first amendment states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

To comply with the above, the position of the government has to be completely neutral and evenly applied as to all religions. So if you want Christian symbols in a government building, that is fine but you have to allow every other religion to also have their symbols (hence the Satanists you referenced).

Or if you do not want to allow it, that is also fine so long as you ban everything. You can likely have prayer in school, but you have to allow it for all religions, which I would imagine would take some time to get through in the morning announcements.

The Court just overturned a ban on praying during school events. So yes, the State had limited the free expression for some time.

[STL_XUfan]

The Court just overturned a ban on praying during school events. So yes, the State had limited the free expression for some time.
Except that isn't what the Court held. The Court held that the school wrongly punished the coach for engaging in a quiet moment of prayer by himself, holding a government employee could not be prohibited from engaging in quiet prayer so long as he wasn't acting in his official role. (I actually agree with the rule they established, but think they just completely ignored the actual facts of this case).

[Strange Brew]

Except that isn't what the Court held. The Court held that the school wrongly punished the coach for engaging in a quiet moment of prayer by himself, holding a government employee could not be prohibited from engaging in quiet prayer so long as he wasn't acting in his official role. (I actually agree with the rule they established, but think they just completely ignored the actual facts of this case).

So, is a gov’t employee allowed to say a prayer while in an official role?

I think you just stumbled into your answer…

[Xuperman]

I was reading about our countries obesity epidemic in the Covid thread, and it prompted me to post a related disaster here.

Was listening to some talk radio on a road trip yesterday and they were discussing how ALL branches of our military are woefully lacking in signing new recruits. Stated that numbers are as high as 40% less than the Pentagon wants, year to date.

Now that's troubling enough, but this is very disturbing.

They cited a recent study that found, I think they said, only 30% of eligible aged recruits are healthy enough to meet enlistment requirements. Stated that obesity is the main driver in making 7 of 10 ineligible...... also mentioned mental health issues.

Now get this, evidently the study polled a group of young people in the 30% that would be eligible to serve and only 10% would consider the military a good option. Said the remaining 20% stated a variety of reasons for not considering, but the current "Woke Policies" at the Pentagon were among them.

Does anyone else think this is among the most serious problems we face, considering the increasing Global threats to America on Biden's watch?

[Masterofreality]

I was reading about our countries obesity epidemic in the Covid thread, and it prompted me to post a related disaster here.

Was listening to some talk radio on a road trip yesterday and they were discussing how ALL branches of our military are woefully lacking in signing new recruits. Stated that numbers are as high as 40% less than the Pentagon wants, year to date.

Now that's troubling enough, but this is very disturbing.

They cited a recent study that found, I think they said, only 30% of eligible aged recruits are healthy enough to meet enlistment requirements. Stated that obesity is the main driver in making 7 of 10 ineligible...... also mentioned mental health issues.

Now get this, evidently the study polled a group of young people in the 30% that would be eligible to serve and only 10% would consider the military a good option. Said the remaining 20% stated a variety of reasons for not considering, but the current "Woke Policies" at the Pentagon were among them.

Does anyone else think this is among the most serious problems we face, considering the increasing Global threats to America on Biden's watch?

Very much so. The problem is that this generation has never truly been threatened and are soft as marshmallow fluff.
9/11 was a one day “happening” not a true war or threat. The wokes have created “threats to democracy”, “threats to the climate” and “threats to their person through unsafe words”. I hate to say it, but unless some major sustained true threat starts, this society here is gonna just melt.

[Xuperman]

Very much so. The problem is that this generation has never truly been threatened and are soft as marshmallow fluff.
9/11 was a one day “happening” not a true war or threat. The wokes have created “threats to democracy”, “threats to the climate” and “threats to their person through unsafe words”. I hate to say it, but unless some major sustained true threat starts, this society here is gonna just melt.

Speaking of a "true threat"......Pelosi landed in Taiwan a little while ago. There is so much Global tension right now. Things haven't been this scary in a very long time.

[XU_Lou]

I was reading about our countries obesity epidemic in the Covid thread, and it prompted me to post a related disaster here.

Was listening to some talk radio on a road trip yesterday and they were discussing how ALL branches of our military are woefully lacking in signing new recruits. Stated that numbers are as high as 40% less than the Pentagon wants, year to date.

Now that's troubling enough, but this is very disturbing.

They cited a recent study that found, I think they said, only 30% of eligible aged recruits are healthy enough to meet enlistment requirements. Stated that obesity is the main driver in making 7 of 10 ineligible...... also mentioned mental health issues.

Now get this, evidently the study polled a group of young people in the 30% that would be eligible to serve and only 10% would consider the military a good option. Said the remaining 20% stated a variety of reasons for not considering, but the current "Woke Policies" at the Pentagon were among them.

Does anyone else think this is among the most serious problems we face, considering the increasing Global threats to America on Biden's watch?

100% If I were China, I'm taking Taiwan before 2024.

This country is in the process of committing suicide in so many ways.

[Xuperman]

100% If I were China, I'm taking Taiwan before 2024.

This country is in the process of committing suicide in so many ways.

Spot on Lou. Anyone with their head out of the sand can see that. The confounding question is, how does any rational person support all the progressive left policies that make this possible?

As usual, we will hear crickets from our leftist friends here.

[bobbiemcgee]

Spot on Lou. Anyone with their head out of the sand can see that. The confounding question is, how does any rational person support all the progressive left policies that make this possible?

Guess you mean we should not be supporting taiwan's democracy. Typical. Nothing new here. China has been threatening to take over for 70 years.

[Xuperman]

Guess you mean we should not be supporting taiwan's democracy. Typical. Nothing new here. China has been threatening to take over for 70 years.

Are you are suggesting active MILITARY support for Taiwan BOBBIE?

[bobbiemcgee]

Heck no. Then we'd have a war with China.

[Xuperman]

Heck no. Then we'd have a war with China.

Exactly. The USA can not win any war with Red China. Do you not realize that they know we are completely impudent under Biden and ALL global military interests are ripe for the pickins? Does any of this reality not concern you?

[Caf]

Exactly. The USA can not win any war with Red China. Do you not realize that they know we are completely impudent under Biden and ALL global military interests are ripe for the pickins? Does any of this reality not concern you?

Maybe if it's over Taiwan just off their shores (which I pray we would never do) but ANY war? Come on, they are where we were after the Cold War technologically.

This certainly seems like pure vanity from Nance. Best "logical" excuse I could come up with is this is a way to prod them over bankrolling Russia. That said I certainly wouldn't mind cooler relations with China, bring production back onshore, solves a lot of our globalization induced problems long-term.

[Xuperman]

I meant any Military war.

But for sure the USA has them by the balls economically. In that war, they are so dependent on cheap goods sold in Wal-Mart and our "Dollar stores".

If a buy American mindset could develop OR increased tariffs become pervasive, they will take a major hit.

[Caf]

I meant any Military war.

But for sure the USA has them by the balls economically. In that war, they are so dependent on cheap goods sold in Wal-Mart and our "Dollar stores".

If a buy American mindset could develop OR increased tariffs become pervasive, they will take a major hit.

I mean a military war too. I’m no expert but can’t imagine a scenario where they’re headcount advantage makes up for our unrivaled arsenal and technology.

[Xuperman]

I mean a military war too. I’m no expert but can’t imagine a scenario where they’re headcount advantage makes up for our unrivaled arsenal and technology.

Man, I hope you are correct. But reality as I see it, is they do an extremely well job of keeping their military tech advantage nicely cloaked. As far as Arsenal goes, they are methodically smoking us as we speak.

[GoMuskies]

I meant any Military war.

But for sure the USA has them by the balls economically. In that war, they are so dependent on cheap goods sold in Wal-Mart and our "Dollar stores".

If a buy American mindset could develop OR increased tariffs become pervasive, they will take a major hit.

Pretty sure we'd be at least as fucked as them in a trade war. Probably more.

[STL_XUfan]

Trump goes 1 for 3 in his endorsement of Eric in the Missouri senate race.

kansas upholds abortion rights by almost a 2-1 margin.

[bobbiemcgee]

I meant any Military war.

But for sure the USA has them by the balls economically. In that war, they are so dependent on cheap goods sold in Wal-Mart and our "Dollar stores".

If a buy American mindset could develop OR increased tariffs become pervasive, they will take a major hit.

or we could stop buying their crap at walmart.

[Xuperman]

Pretty sure we'd be at least as fucked as them in a trade war. Probably more.

Huh? Their entire economy is dependent on stupid Americans buying their disposable crap products, knowing we will simply buy them again when they fail. Every buy a Chinese made tool?

[Masterofreality]

kansas upholds abortion rights by almost a 2-1 margin.

Well, lookie here! People voting and Democracy working like the Founders and the Constitution said that it should.
Sounds like the Supreme Court hit it right on the money!!
Incredible for such a criticized decision!!!!!
Democracy Dies in Dictate.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, lookie here! People voting and Democracy working like the Founders and the Constitution said that it should. .

Didn't work so well for democracy in AZ with all the election deniers.

[Masterofreality]

Didn't work so well for democracy in AZ with all the election deniers.

Which has zero to do with the Supreme Court.
Pay attention.

By the way quit being a racist over a black man winning a well run Republican primary election. Finchem won fair and square.
When will Stacy Abrams concede?

[bobbiemcgee]

When will trump concede. Finchem is an ex-cop from Mi. “Retired, poor rating, would not rehire.” He loves the big lie. If elected, he will fix the election in AZ. Another election denier who loves the Oath Keepers and Qanon and he only got 41%.

[Masterofreality]

When will trump concede. Finchem is an ex-cop from Mi. “Retired, poor rating, would not rehire.” He loves the big lie. If elected, he will fix the election in AZ.

Ex Cop. Black Man. “Poor Rating”.
Hmmm. Police Hating Racists.

Just playing but the rules your side set.

[bobbiemcgee]

Didn't know he was a racist. Just another reason not to elect.