Politics Thread

[UCGRAD4X]

This would be the perfect time for China to start some shit also. I certainly hope not. That would be disastrous on so many levels, but it would not shock me. Sincerely hope I am wrong.

[Strange Brew]

This would be the perfect time for China to start some shit also. I certainly hope not. That would be disastrous on so many levels, but it would not shock me. Sincerely hope I am wrong.

Already flying in Taiwan airspace..

[bobbiemcgee]

There was a bipartisan effort to block the Nordstream 2 pipeline from Russia with sanctions against it as a preemptive move to stop an invasion of Ukraine.

Do you seriously believe Putin gives a shit about sanctions? He's been planning this for years since Ukraine became a democratic sovereign nation. I find it disgusting a former president is cheering him on. There is absolutely nothing we could do about it except provide arms to Ukraine who are outnumbered 8 to 1, and have no air support. Do you seriously want American troops over there? What exactly was your wonderful plan to keep putin out of Ukraine? I'd love to give these bitches on Fox News an AK 47 and send them to the front.

[Strange Brew]

Do you seriously believe Putin gives a shit about sanctions? He's been planning this for years since Ukraine became a democratic sovereign nation. I find it disgusting a former president is cheering him on. There is absolutely nothing we could do about it except provide arms to Ukraine who are outnumbered 8 to 1, and have no air support. Do you seriously want American troops over there? What exactly was your wonderful plan to keep putin out of Ukraine? I'd love to give these bitches on Fox News an AK 47 and send them to the front.

No, but he cares about the money the Nordstream 2 pipeline brings in and his ability to control a good portion of Europe's energy. He would also care a lot if we reopened energy production in the U.S. Maybe we do that after he spends real, human and political capital on this misadventure.

[Masterofreality]

Do you seriously believe Putin gives a shit about sanctions? He's been planning this for years since Ukraine became a democratic sovereign nation. I find it disgusting a former president is cheering him on. There is absolutely nothing we could do about it except provide arms to Ukraine who are outnumbered 8 to 1, and have no air support. Do you seriously want American troops over there? What exactly was your wonderful plan to keep putin out of Ukraine? I'd love to give these bitches on Fox News an AK 47 and send them to the front.

What Putin gives a shit about, more than anything else, is money & leverage. Trump had the US energy independent and we were exporting LNG to Europe, which we still should be doing until Climate Fog Biden cut the country off at the knees, then begs others to increase production. Then he allows Nordstream to go forward and your Dems block any effort to stymie it. And Biden still won’t apply sanctions on Russian oil.
Now Putin has leverage over energy to Europe and an oil war chest that he didn’t have vs Trump. He’s been playing Confused Old Man Joe for a fool all along and the price is now clear. Europe is now eating out of Putin’s grubby hands.
Atta boy Brandon!

[paulxu]

The United States became Europe’s largest source of LNG in 2021, accounting for 26% of all LNG imported by European Union member countries (EU-27) and the United Kingdom (UK), followed by Qatar with 24%, and Russia with 20%. In January 2022, the United States supplied more than half of all LNG imports into Europe for the month.

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51358

[Strange Brew]

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=51358

Thanks for the graph Paul. When did the red part of the graph start to appear and how do you think it will look after our production was stymied in 2021? Do you think it will increase or decrease? Again, thanks for the graph.

[GoMuskies]

Thank God for Sabine Pass, which was expanded in recent years (and is finishing another expansion that was approved prior to 2021).

[Strange Brew]

Thank God for Sabine Pass, which was expanded in recent years (and is finishing another expansion that was approved prior to 2021).

Shhhhh, before they shut it down 'cause Earth.

[paulxu]

Thanks for the graph Paul. When did the red part of the graph start to appear and how do you think it will look after our production was stymied in 2021? Do you think it will increase or decrease? Again, thanks for the graph.

You're welcome. The point was obviously that rather than LNG going down under the current administration in 2021, it went up.
As to 2022, with the unsettled situation in Ukraine, I'm not sure anyone knows what will happen.
If you read the article accompanying the graph, you would have found the following:


Exports of LNG from the United States to EU-27 and the UK increased from 3.4 billion cubic feet per day (Bcf/d) in November 2021 to 6.5 Bcf/d in January 2022—the most LNG shipped to Europe from the United States on a monthly basis to date, according to the U.S. Department of Energy’s LNG Monthly reports and our own estimates, which are based on LNG shipping data

Off to a good start this year, but Europe is in turmoil. Again, you're welcome for the graph.

[Strange Brew]

You're welcome. The point was obviously that rather than LNG going down under the current administration in 2021, it went up.
As to 2022, with the unsettled situation in Ukraine, I'm not sure anyone knows what will happen.
If you read the article accompanying the graph, you would have found the following:

Off to a good start this year, but Europe is in turmoil. Again, you're welcome for the graph.

Holy hell Paul. This may be the worst take from a “college educated” person. What process develops the most NG from/in the US? And that’s just NG. Crude is another story. My point is what will the trend line look like like after the production stops?

Why is the current POTUS begging bad actors to pump more? I’ll give you a pass because you rely on a media that tells you what you want to believe.

Thanks again for that graph. Post it again in 18-24 months please.

BTW, we are now buying energy from Russia. Wasn’t necessary in 2020.

[paulxu]

The inference was that the current administration stopped the exporting of LNG to Europe, when in fact it has increased.
That's not "my" take...that's the information I noted from the EIA.

I think POTUS is working with other countries to help improve Europe's supply options so they don't have to depend on Russia.

[Strange Brew]

The inference was that the current administration stopped the exporting of LNG to Europe, when in fact it has increased.
That's not "my" take...that's the information I noted from the EIA.

I think POTUS is working with other countries to help improve Europe's supply options so they don't have to depend on Russia.

Sure, but how’s he going to do that after shutting down production in one of the most energy rich countries in the World (it’s us, just in case you didn’t pick up what I’m putting down). And we don’t even look to expand nuclear anymore. Energy is the driver of civilizations. From fire to fusion.

And no, that wasn’t the inference. That was your inference.

[Masterofreality]

The inference was that the current administration stopped the exporting of LNG to Europe.m

Nobody inferred that but you.
Biden has made the US more dependent on foreign energy- as proven by his begging other countries to increase production, while limiting new permits here, and by giving the Russians Nordstream 2 it did zero to deter an invasion.

[kxblue]

Holy hell Paul. This may be the worst take from a “college educated” person. What process develops the most NG from/in the US? And that’s just NG. Crude is another story. My point is what will the trend line look like like after the production stops?

Why is the current POTUS begging bad actors to pump more? I’ll give you a pass because you rely on a media that tells you what you want to believe.

Thanks again for that graph. Post it again in 18-24 months please.

BTW, we are now buying energy from Russia. Wasn’t necessary in 2020.

Oil consumption was nonexistant in 2020. If you remember oil prices actually went negative in early 2020, thats what a global pandemic does. Now we have no supply chains and a massive consumption boom. US crude production fell by 10% in 2020 as rigs shut down because it was so unprofitable.

Neither party would have done better, it was economics not politics. We have always been dependent on foreign oil in times of consumption booms (see 2005-2007).

None of it really matters in 20 years, renewables are going to be much cheaper than fossils without subsidies. We have to bridge the gap, so they might as well drill away in the meantime but in the end economics always wins.

[Strange Brew]

Oil consumption was nonexistant in 2020. If you remember oil prices actually went negative in early 2020, thats what a global pandemic does. Now we have no supply chains and a massive consumption boom. US crude production fell by 10% in 2020 as rigs shut down because it was so unprofitable.

Neither party would have done better, it was economics not politics. We have always been dependent on foreign oil in times of consumption booms (see 2005-2007).

None of it really matters in 20 years, renewables are going to be much cheaper than fossils without subsidies. We have to bridge the gap, so they might as well drill away in the meantime but in the end economics always wins.

Yeah, and what was it in 2019? Biden stymied energy production period. Stop with this BS.

And no. We were oil independent for the first time in my life not that long ago. Seriously, stop.

[kxblue]

Yeah, and what was it in 2019? Biden stymied energy production period. Stop with this BS.

And no. We were oil independent for the first time in my life not that long ago. Seriously, stop.

How did he stymie it? What policy did he approve? Keystone wouldn’t be online for another 2 years and it’s WCS which most refineries aren’t setup to handle. I get the facts don’t support your agenda. Rig count didn’t drop because of policy, it dropped because of covid.

I’m not anti drilling, I think it’s natural to bridge the gap until renewables are cheaper. The uk and Europe have no bridge it’s why they are screwed.

I think both parties are full of idiots, but just blindly assigning blame to one party for everything is the true BS. Both parties and their media are full of crap.

[Strange Brew]

How did he stymie it? What policy did he approve? Keystone wouldn’t be online for another 2 years and it’s WCS which most refineries aren’t setup to handle. I get the facts don’t support your agenda. Rig count didn’t drop because of policy, it dropped because of covid.

I’m not anti drilling, I think it’s natural to bridge the gap until renewables are cheaper. The uk and Europe have no bridge it’s why they are screwed.

I think both parties are full of idiots, but just blindly assigning blame to one party for everything is the true BS. Both parties and their media are full of crap.

Killed the Keystone pipeline. Ended exploration in AWAR and banned fracking on Federal (stolen) land. You do realize that energy is traded on futures, right?

Renewables are a pipe dream and not part of the current or any reality.

COVID? Child please.

One thing you have right is both parties are full of idiots. But the US government/society was never devised or intended to run like this.

[kxblue]

Killed the Keystone pipeline. Ended exploration in AWAR and banned fracking on Federal (stolen) land. You do realize that energy is traded on futures, right?

Renewables are a pipe dream and not part of the current or any reality.

COVID? Child please.

One thing you have right is both parties are full of idiots. But the US government/society was never devised or intended to run like this.

I trade them for a living so yes I do…

That’s why I follow the money and not the politics

The futures curve is very steep backwardation fwiw implying oil prices will drop pretty significantly over the next 2 years. The uk and Europe get 40% of their energy from renewables. The problem is they can’t bridge the gap.

If you want to blame the democrats blame them for qe and fiscal. That caused the inflation. Factually it was not green energy or climate change. It was the fact that money supply went up 20% in a year. That’s simply dumb

I just think it’s stupid to parrot Tucker when the guy is just as clueless as Maddow. Both get paid to sell ads, that’s all they care about

[bobbiemcgee]

What Putin gives a shit about, more than anything else, is money & leverage.

PUTZER wants to re-form the soviet union. He won't stop with Ukraine. Nordstream never got certified. We'll see how his $100 barrel of oil goes with no one to buy it. Maybe you should drop your political leanings and support America (and Ukraine) for a change.

[Masterofreality]

PUTZER wants to re-form the soviet union. He won't stop with Ukraine. Nordstream never got certified. We'll see how his $100 barrel of oil goes with no one to buy it. Maybe you should drop your political leanings and support America (and Ukraine) for a change.

Interesting that 100% supporting American energy independence to reduce Putin’s leverage is not supporting America.
Your guy Biden stopped US/ Canada pipelines, approved Nordstream 2,and has restricted drilling and fracking on a pipe dream of “green energy”.
Who exactly is supporting ‘Murica?

[Masterofreality]

PUTZER wants to re-form the soviet union. He won't stop with Ukraine. Nordstream never got certified. We'll see how his $100 barrel of oil goes with no one to buy it. Maybe you should drop your political leanings and support America (and Ukraine) for a change.

The Biden admin war on American energy is so bad that we have Democrat Congressmen twitter-begging Saudi Arabia to produce more oil.
California Congressman Brad Sherman:
“Saudi Arabia - now is your chance to be an ally or an enemy of those standing against Russia's attack on #Ukraine. Saudi Arabia must open taps and produce more oil so the world can turn its back on Russian oil. Otherwise, the blood of Ukrainians is also on Saudi Arabia's hands.”

(Yeah, see, we won’t produce any extra oil because the entire world is in an “Existential Crisis”, but we don’t mind if the rest of “the entire world” jacks up fossil fuels)- my snide comment

Also, just last Thursday:
Biden pauses new oil and gas leases amid legal battle over cost of climate change”- per CNBC

[bobbiemcgee]

"I've got Morons on my team" -- Mitch Romney

[Masterofreality]

"I've got Morons on my team" -- Mitch Romney

Mitch Romney was right about Russia. Obama, Biden and their snark were dead wrong.
Who are the morons?

[boozehound]

I trade them for a living so yes I do…

That’s why I follow the money and not the politics

The futures curve is very steep backwardation fwiw implying oil prices will drop pretty significantly over the next 2 years. The uk and Europe get 40% of their energy from renewables. The problem is they can’t bridge the gap.

If you want to blame the democrats blame them for qe and fiscal. That caused the inflation. Factually it was not green energy or climate change. It was the fact that money supply went up 20% in a year. That’s simply dumb

I just think it’s stupid to parrot Tucker when the guy is just as clueless as Maddow. Both get paid to sell ads, that’s all they care about

You're going to have to give yourself brain damage or something if you are going to continue to participate in this thread. There is absolutely no room here for someone with expertise in a specific field providing a relatively center cut opinion on any geopolitical topic. It's just 4 guys yelling talking points at each other.

[Strange Brew]

I trade them for a living so yes I do…

That’s why I follow the money and not the politics

The futures curve is very steep backwardation fwiw implying oil prices will drop pretty significantly over the next 2 years. The uk and Europe get 40% of their energy from renewables. The problem is they can’t bridge the gap.

If you want to blame the democrats blame them for qe and fiscal. That caused the inflation. Factually it was not green energy or climate change. It was the fact that money supply went up 20% in a year. That’s simply dumb

I just think it’s stupid to parrot Tucker when the guy is just as clueless as Maddow. Both get paid to sell ads, that’s all they care about

I agree on the fiscal insanity is driving most of the inflation. But cutting US energy production added to inflation and it gave Putin a war chest.

[Masterofreality]

You're going to have to give yourself brain damage or something if you are going to continue to participate in this thread. There is absolutely no room here for someone with expertise in a specific field providing a relatively center cut opinion on any geopolitical topic. It's just 4 guys yelling talking points at each other.

Sure there is.

Some of us when using talking points use actual facts, not hyperbolic blue colored glass pap that focuses on someone who has no power anymore yet ignores the foibles of the guy that does.

[boozehound]

This would be the perfect time for China to start some shit also. I certainly hope not. That would be disastrous on so many levels, but it would not shock me. Sincerely hope I am wrong.

4 days ago this made a lot of sense, but now I'm not so sure about that, based on the strength of the international condemnation (and sanctions) for Russia. The question is how long we keep it up for. If there is one thing that I've been happy to see in all of this, it's that people are finally banding together to really punish Putin and Russia. For how long remains to be seen, but the severity of the sanctions has to be significantly greater than anything that Putin calculated. This is the most unified that we have seen NATO / the Western world in many years.

The one big problem of course is Europe's reliance on Russian Oil and (particularly) natural gas. Still - I think the time has come to freeze Russia out. If they want to be part of the developed Western world than they need to act like a developed Nation. In the meantime hopefully the US, and others, can get enough energy to Europe to fill the void, although I don't know how feasible that is. It's probably a good thing that Winter is almost over.

[boozehound]

Sure there is.

Some of us when using talking points use actual facts, not hyperbolic blue colored glass pap that focuses on someone who has no power anymore yet ignores the foibles of the guy that does.

I'm sure I wouldn't have to look too far to find posts from you (and others) complaining about Obama after he had 'no power anymore', or Hillary Clinton who never really had power. In Obama's case, at least he (largely) shut the fuck up and went away for a few years. When a former President tweets out his support for the global public enemy #1, it's going make news and it's going to be a topic of discussion. Even for Trump, that was some truly bizarre shit to do. I don't see how anyone can be a fan of both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump at this point.

I'll agree that the 2 guys on the left in this thread tend to ignore Biden's (many) flaws, but if your argument is that the ones on the right are providing objective fact based analysis, we differ pretty strongly there. Two sides of the same coin.

[Masterofreality]

I'm sure I wouldn't have to look too far to find posts from you (and others) complaining about Obama after he had 'no power anymore', or Hillary Clinton who never really had power. In Obama's case, at least he (largely) shut the fuck up and went away for a few years. When a former President tweets out his support for the global public enemy #1, it's going make news and it's going to be a topic of discussion. Even for Trump, that was some truly bizarre shit to do. I don't see how anyone can be a fan of both Ronald Reagan and Donald Trump at this point.

I'll agree that the 2 guys on the left in this thread tend to ignore Biden's (many) flaws, but if your argument is that the ones on the right are providing objective fact based analysis, we differ pretty strongly there. Two sides of the same coin.

Respectfully Booze, please find something from me on here that is not factual ( other than trash talk vs Biden)
I try to be very careful to find fully fact based stuff and quote good reporting.

[boozehound]

Respectfully Booze, please find something from me on here that is not factual ( other than trash talk vs Biden)
I try to be very careful to find fully fact based stuff and quote good reporting.

I didn't accuse you (or anyone in this thread) of posting things that are not factual. I did say that most of the posts in this thread are hyper partisan talking points that only consider one side of the issue. Same for the 2-3 liberals that make up the other 40% of the posts on this thread, BTW.

The constant trash talk about Biden certainly doesn't scream objectivity though. Not that he isn't doing a shitty job, but when literally almost everything you post here is a vitriolic diatribe about how terrible Biden is, it's hard to consider your overall position as fair and balanced. I'm not sure if you were one of the ones chiding everyone for being hyper focused on everything negative that Trump did, but if you were, that's doubly rich. I'm not going to dig back through old posts to find it though. I already spend more time on this board than I should. Beats working though.

My main point: literally almost everyone has left this thread except for you, Strange Brew, Bobbie, and Paul. Occasionally somebody else will drop in with a comment that almost immediately turns into you 4 guys bickering. Then they walk away. It's not a debate or discussion, it's 4 guys trading talking points without a lot of obvious effort being made to consider each other's point of view.

[X-band '01]

I don't agree with MOR here, but I at least appreciate him keeping us updated on what Ku Klux Klay Travis is spewing on the radio on a daily basis.

[xuwillie]

I didn't accuse you (or anyone in this thread) of posting things that are not factual. I did say that most of the posts in this thread are hyper partisan talking points that only consider one side of the issue. Same for the 2-3 liberals that make up the other 40% of the posts on this thread, BTW.

The constant trash talk about Biden certainly doesn't scream objectivity though. Not that he isn't doing a shitty job, but when literally almost everything you post here is a vitriolic diatribe about how terrible Biden is, it's hard to consider your overall position as fair and balanced. I'm not sure if you were one of the ones chiding everyone for being hyper focused on everything negative that Trump did, but if you were, that's doubly rich. I'm not going to dig back through old posts to find it though. I already spend more time on this board than I should. Beats working though.

My main point: literally almost everyone has left this thread except for you, Strange Brew, Bobbie, and Paul. Occasionally somebody else will drop in with a comment that almost immediately turns into you 4 guys bickering. Then they walk away. It's not a debate or discussion, it's 4 guys trading talking points without a lot of obvious effort being made to consider each other's point of view.


And X band right on que. Just dumb

[Masterofreality]

I didn't accuse you (or anyone in this thread) of posting things that are not factual. I did say that most of the posts in this thread are hyper partisan talking points that only consider one side of the issue. Same for the 2-3 liberals that make up the other 40% of the posts on this thread, BTW.

The constant trash talk about Biden certainly doesn't scream objectivity though. Not that he isn't doing a shitty job, but when literally almost everything you post here is a vitriolic diatribe about how terrible Biden is, it's hard to consider your overall position as fair and balanced. I'm not sure if you were one of the ones chiding everyone for being hyper focused on everything negative that Trump did, but if you were, that's doubly rich. I'm not going to dig back through old posts to find it though. I already spend more time on this board than I should. Beats working though.

My main point: literally almost everyone has left this thread except for you, Strange Brew, Bobbie, and Paul. Occasionally somebody else will drop in with a comment that almost immediately turns into you 4 guys bickering. Then they walk away. It's not a debate or discussion, it's 4 guys trading talking points without a lot of obvious effort being made to consider each other's point of view.

My trash talking Biden's terrible job is a direct result of Mr. Paul daily posting trash about President Donald Trump. I was no big fan of Trump and didn't vote for him either time, but the unfair BS about Trump, based upon incredibly biased BS from the media was totally unfair. None of the crap that Trump was accused of- Russian Collusion, prepping for a war with North Korea, firing people in the Justice Department, firing Mueller, withholding arms from Ukraine etc. ever happened. Trump was Impeachd over Ukraine for stuff that Hunter Biden and Joe did. Now one trick pony Paul can't get off January 6, 2021 although no one is escaping prosecution and no damage was done.
I am sick of shit spreading that is untrue, and how am I supposed to consider the other side's point of view when it has turned this country into lunacy? No southern border enforcement, unchecked inflation, tricks to perpetuate Covid restrictions that have been shot down in court, education in disarray, etc.
I'm not going to stay silent when there is garbage being spread that TRULY damaging democracy in the US.
Sorry.

[Masterofreality]

I don't agree with MOR here, but I at least appreciate him keeping us updated on what Ku Klux Klay Travis is spewing on the radio on a daily basis.


Stop it. I don't listen to that show nor hardly ever watch TV news. What the hell is wrong with you, Band?

[waggy]

This is not smack.. the world has a big problem with Putin. He needs to be killed.

[X-band '01]

This is not smack.. the world has a big problem with Putin. He needs to be killed.

If sanctions really are effective, I wonder what it would take for the military/inner circle to turn on Putin. He probably has a lot more to fear from within than he does about what the rest of the world will do.

Not that it matters to him, but FIFA and other sporting organizations are completely blackballing Russia now.

[STL_XUfan]

This is not smack.. the world has a big problem with Putin. He needs to be killed.
The Ukrainian ambassador to the UN has some suggestions on how that should happen.

https://twitter.com/anoneuforukr/status/1498391630587572233?s=21 (https://twitter.com/anoneuforukr/status/1498391630587572233?s=21)

[X-band '01]

Stop it. I don't listen to that show nor hardly ever watch TV news. What the hell is wrong with you, Band?

I dunno - a former President throwing a temper tantrum, not willing to admit defeat in a Presidental election, allowing the Capitol to be overrun with rioters and trying to put the screws to everyone who's standing up to him?

He's turned this former Republican into a Democrat. GG Baby Trump.

[Strange Brew]

I dunno - a former President throwing a temper tantrum, not willing to admit defeat in a Presidental election, allowing the Capitol to be overrun with rioters and trying to put the screws to everyone who's standing up to him?

He's turned this former Republican into a Democrat. GG Baby Trump.

So Trump allowed the Capital to be overrun with rioters? That’s factually inaccurate.

[paulxu]

My trash talking Biden's terrible job is a direct result of Mr. Paul daily posting trash about President Donald Trump. I was no big fan of Trump and didn't vote for him either time, but the unfair BS about Trump, based upon incredibly biased BS from the media was totally unfair. None of the crap that Trump was accused of- Russian Collusion, prepping for a war with North Korea, firing people in the Justice Department, firing Mueller, withholding arms from Ukraine etc. ever happened. Trump was Impeachd over Ukraine for stuff that Hunter Biden and Joe did. Now one trick pony Paul can't get off January 6, 2021 although no one is escaping prosecution and no damage was done.
I am sick of shit spreading that is untrue, and how am I supposed to consider the other side's point of view when it has turned this country into lunacy? No southern border enforcement, unchecked inflation, tricks to perpetuate Covid restrictions that have been shot down in court, education in disarray, etc.
I'm not going to stay silent when there is garbage being spread that TRULY damaging democracy in the US.
Sorry.

I have zero idea on why you continue to make this personal about me.
When I have a point to make about politics (the title of this thread) I make every effort to back it up with credible links to factual data.
Just look at our last exchange. I noted we just shipped more LNG to Europe last year than the year before, after you indicated that Biden has slowed it down.
And I posted a link to a credible site that tracks those numbers.
That's my idea of an exchange in a political thread. Not to call you names and make it personal...just focus on ideas and facts.
There's certainly room for opinions on what our leaders are doing, one way or the other.
But we should all use the same set of facts.
For example, you note this:

Trump was Impeachd over Ukraine for stuff that Hunter Biden and Joe did
I would invite you to read the articles of impeachment and find anything in them like that at all.
He was impeached for the first time for Abuse of Power, where it was noted:

Using the powers of his high office, President Trump solicited the interference of a foreign government, Ukraine, in the 2020 United States Presidential election.
Hunter and Joe didn't make the phone call to Ukraine...our president did. That's a fact.

I'll continue with occasional posts I suppose, and try to keep them fact based, and where opinion, support it the best I can.
Hopefully people will leave the personal stuff aside.

[Strange Brew]

I have zero idea on why you continue to make this personal about me.
When I have a point to make about politics (the title of this thread) I make every effort to back it up with credible links to factual data.
Just look at our last exchange. I noted we just shipped more LNG to Europe last year than the year before, after you indicated that Biden has slowed it down.
And I posted a link to a credible site that tracks those numbers.
That's my idea of an exchange in a political thread. Not to call you names and make it personal...just focus on ideas and facts.
There's certainly room for opinions on what our leaders are doing, one way or the other.
But we should all use the same set of facts.
For example, you note this:

I would invite you to read the articles of impeachment and find anything in them like that at all.
He was impeached for the first time for Abuse of Power, where it was noted:

Hunter and Joe didn't make the phone call to Ukraine...our president did. That's a fact.

I'll continue with occasional posts I suppose, and try to keep them fact based, and where opinion, support it the best I can.
Hopefully people will leave the personal stuff aside.

On the LNG link Paul, it will go down as Biden ended a large part of our energy production. The 2021 number reflects previous policy. We now are buying oil from Russia and Iran. That was not necessary until Biden’s decision.

[paulxu]

On the LNG link Paul, it will go down as Biden ended a large part of our energy production. The 2021 number reflects previous policy. We now are buying oil from Russia and Iran. That was not necessary until Biden’s decision.

Strange, the issue is much more complex than how you have it characterized.
I would hope you might be able to see this extensive discussion, that notes how courts have often stepped in to change the landscape.

Here's the title of the article:
Biden outpaces Trump in issuing drilling permits on public lands
Here's a quote from it:

Climate advocates said they had expected Biden officials would find a way to slow drilling, either through litigation or by reopening the environmental review process for proposed lease sales — delaying them and possibly canceling them outright.

Instead, the administration approved more than 3,500 oil and gas drilling permits in its first year, nearly 900 more than the Trump administration did in its first year, according to an analysis of federal data by the Center for Biological Diversity.

Last fall, Biden officials put 80 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico up for auction in the largest offshore oil and gas lease sale in U.S. history.

I hope you can access the article. Biden's administration has a goal to combat what it sees as a real threat in climate change, but the daily ins and outs of policy and hard realities often slow down expectations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/01/27/oil-gas-leasing-biden-climate/

[Strange Brew]

Strange, the issue is much more complex than how you have it characterized.
I would hope you might be able to see this extensive discussion, that notes how courts have often stepped in to change the landscape.

Here's the title of the article:
Here's a quote from it:


I hope you can access the article. Biden's administration has a goal to combat what it sees as a real threat in climate change, but the daily ins and outs of policy and hard realities often slow down expectations.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2022/01/27/oil-gas-leasing-biden-climate/

Well, no Keystone (alone produces more oil than what is bought from Russia), no ANWAR and a reduction in fracking (where most of the NG is produced) but he's issuing other permits. The Keystone decision was terrible at the time and it is worse now. We're not ready to make the switch to renewables and now we're paying the Russians to kill Ukrainians.

Oh, and WaPo would never craft an article to benefit democrats, right?

[paulxu]

Maybe we can accelerate the move to renewable. Some other countries are ahead of us, so it is possible.
Oil imports from Russia are falling rapidly (seem to go up and down a lot)

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M

Our domestic production seems to be holding up:
Crude oil production in Dec 21 ahead of Dec 20 by 4% (was a big fall off in the year 2020)


https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/production/#oil-tab

Natural gas production in Dec 2021, 5+% ahead of Dec 2020 (on a continual rise)

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/production/#ng-tab

[Strange Brew]

Maybe we can accelerate the move to renewable. Some other countries are ahead of us, so it is possible.
Oil imports from Russia are falling rapidly (seem to go up and down a lot)

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MTTIM_NUS-NRS_1&f=M

Our domestic production seems to be holding up:
Crude oil production in Dec 21 ahead of Dec 20 by 4% (was a big fall off in the year 2020)


https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/production/#oil-tab

Natural gas production in Dec 2021, 5+% ahead of Dec 2020 (on a continual rise)

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/production/#ng-tab

That’s nice Paul but it’s not keeping up with demand or we wouldn’t need to import energy. The decisions made on energy last year we’re incredibly short sighted (to be kind) and we’re seeing the consequences. And the German’s made a push for renewables while prematurely shutting down other forms of of proven sources. Now they need LNG from Russia. Stupid policies made on bad politics and garbage “science”.

How about an “all of the above energy policy” while we develop renewables?

[paulxu]

How about an “all of the above energy policy” while we develop renewables?

That sounds good and about where we are now I think.

[Strange Brew]

That sounds good and about where we are now I think.

Glad you’re coming around. Big concern for me on renewables is who currently manufactures and mines the parts/raw materials.

[Masterofreality]

I would invite you to read the articles of impeachment and find anything in them like that at all.
He was impeached for the first time for Abuse of Power, where it was noted:

Hunter and Joe didn't make the phone call to Ukraine...our president did. That's a fact.


I’m not going to respond to this whole thing. Strange Brew is handling the LNG part.

And YOU have been the one who could never shut up about Trump. The medicine is pretty sour when your guy is the rightful subject, huh?
The “Articles of Impeachment” were written by the same partisan hacks who tried to smear Bret Kavanaugh. Sorry if I discount their validity and refuse to acknowledge fuckery.

Initially in 2016 Joe Biden tried to withhold a billion dollars from Ukraine unless a certain prosecutor was fired. And he bragged about it!!That is an abuse of power and an overreach into a sovereign country.
Trump made a phone call that Zelensky says had no pressure applied. There was no Quid Pro Quo. Ukraine got the defensive weapons that they were promised. That is no abuse of power unless the Dem party was desperate and decided to pull an Impeachment move out of the hat to smear Trump. A 100% partisan move.. Now that the Dems have decided to normalize Impeachment, wait until the Republicans get back in power in November. You ain’t seen nothing yet..
Hunter Biden was getting paid $80k/ month for nothing for dealings in Ukraine. That sure seems weird. Hunter Biden has all kinds of questionable dealings with China- some with arrangements for “The Big Guy”. That pesky laptop computer just won’t go away.
Now that Impeachment has been normalized, the fun is just beginning when the House and Senate flip soon.

[bobbiemcgee]

Lauren Witzke, the Delaware GOP's candidate for Senate in 2020, has nothing but praise for Putin and "his Christian nationalist nation": "I identify more with Putin's Christian values than I do with Joe Biden."

[X-band '01]

Wait - Delaware still has people in the GOP?

[Strange Brew]

Wait - Delaware still has people in the GOP?

Wait! Delaware has people?

[X-band '01]

well, if corporations = people...

[boozehound]

This weird offshoot of people that continue to praise Putin and Russia is pretty messed up. He is an oppressive dictator with imperialistic goals. His entire philosophy runs directly counter to the principles of freedom and democracy. This should be something we can all agree on.

I have to assume it's mostly just people who are blindly following Trump at this point, right? At least the sane majority of Republican leadership is condemning Putin and his actions in no uncertain terms.

[Strange Brew]

Laughing my ass off at the WH celebrating the jobs numbers. Yeah, that's what happens when the "free" COVID money dries up.

[bobbiemcgee]

Laughing my ass off at the WH celebrating the jobs numbers. Yeah, that's what happens when the "free" COVID money dries up.

Typical. Against full employment I assume as it doesn't meet your political agenda?

[Strange Brew]

Typical. Against full employment I assume as it doesn't meet your political agenda?

Glad we're finally back to where we were in 2019. Thanks for making my point.

Except now everything is more expensive, we're not energy independent and we're reimplementing the Iran nuclear deal.
All great stuff Bobbie. But don't worry, you voted for this.

Guess this is all part of the "Fundamental Transformation" we were told about.

Edit: How could I forget. The Russians are on the move again in Eastern Europe.

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;726070]Glad we're finally back to where we were in 2019. Thanks for making my point.

Glad you contradicted you previous point. Jobs are good not laughable.

[Masterofreality]

Glad we're finally back to where we were in 2019. Thanks for making my point.

Except now everything is more expensive, we're not energy independent and we're reimplementing the Iran nuclear deal.
All great stuff Bobbie. But don't worry, you voted for this.

Guess this is all part of the "Fundamental Transformation" we were told about.

Edit: How could I forget. The Russians are on the move again in Eastern Europe.

Yes. Returning to full employment means that unlike Biden’s blatant lie of “Job creation” what is happening is merely job reinstatement.
These jobs were “created” under the last administration and the Trump tax actions. Covid put them on ice. Now they are merely returning. Biden has done nothing. The American Rescue Act was a blobosphere of money that did nothing but cause an inflationary spiral.

[bobbiemcgee]

Would you still prefer the 16% under trump? Oh no, can't give Biden any credit.

[Strange Brew]

Yes. Returning to full employment means that unlike Biden’s blatant lie of “Job creation” what is happening is merely job reinstatement.
These jobs were “created” under the last administration and the Trump tax actions. Covid put them on ice. Now they are merely returning. Biden has done nothing. The American Rescue Act was a blobosphere of money that did nothing but cause an inflationary spiral.

If we stop responding. He'll go away.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hope you have more giggles nest month.

[GoMuskies]

Men are awesome. We're even the best female swimmers! Congrats to Lia Thomas.

[bjf123]

Men are awesome. We're even the best female swimmers! Congrats to Lia Thomas.

Public reps! [emoji1787]


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[xuphan]

The public should demand more accountability for how politicians act and behave. They are paid by the American public and are suppose to represent their constituents and the country with honor. Articles like the one below are unacceptable and we shouldn’t have politicians who act like this. Their behavior is unacceptable and they really should be removed from consideration for the political position they are running for. This is a pathetic way to represents yourself to the American people and both should but won’t be dropped from the Republican Party. Same goes for Dems, Wig party or another other politicians who act like this.

https://advertiser-tribune.com/news/376642/fight-in-ohio-gop-senate-debate-leads-to-demand-for-apology/

[Masterofreality]

There is a Political thread for things like this.

Use it. And mods, move it, please.

[Masterofreality]

“Never underestimate Joe Biden’s ability to fuck things up” - Barack Obama
I’ll grant that Biden’s speech yesterday on Ukraine was pretty good, until he went off script and fucked the whole thing up like he always does.
Joe Biden doing what Joe Biden has done for 40 years-and people expected different?

https://apple.news/AlyiExyrbTLmKps7I3Dv5zg

[xuphan]

I didn’t see the Political thread. My bad.

[X-band '01]

I thought someone finally wised up and Locked Her Up.

[waggy]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/disappearances-and-detentions-in-ukraine-they-tried-to-reveal-what-life-was-like-under-russian-occupation/ar-AAVBTua?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=aaade39ea61b444a872da2e04b0b823e

[bjf123]

https://twitter.com/F1Photographer/status/1515415303131308035

Interesting that she thinks it’s the media’s job to control what people think. Kind of like what the media is doing in Russia. That should scare everyone.


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[bobbiemcgee]

Are you Tucker fans tanning your balls today?

[Masterofreality]

Are you Tucker fans tanning your balls today?

WTF are you talking about? And why are you, Mr. Anti Conservative, watching Tucker Carlson?
I don’t.

[paulxu]

There is definitely some high comedy here.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/tucker-carlson-testicle-tanning.html

[UCGRAD4X]

Hilarious. I've never watched anything from this man so I don't know his format, but this all seemed very tongue in cheek to me.

[Smails]

WTF are you talking about? And why are you, Mr. Anti Conservative, watching Tucker Carlson?
I don’t.

What the hell else are they going to talk about?

Inflation?
Approval rating?
Foreign policy?
Border security?
Domestic energy policy?
Mid-terms?
Local elections?
Metro city crime rates?
Our walking corpse of a President getting instructions from the Easter bunny?

When you don't have anything of substance to discuss, by all means bring up the ball sack of a right wing nut job. Kinda creepy and sad at the same time.

Let's not discuss CNN's top show literally saying that it's the media's job to tell people how to think...we'll stick with testicles

[GoMuskies]

Are you Tucker fans tanning your balls today?

Pretty sure Rachel Maddow is tanning hers.

[paulxu]

I think this board would implode if Rachael recommended something that crazy.
But I note this from above:


by all means bring up the ball sack of a right wing nut job.

So it's possible some people are waking up.

[UCGRAD4X]

I did not see this as either recommending it or endorsing it or more mocking it.

His "credibility" seems to vary widely from my peripheral and minimal real knowledge. The fact that he had it on at all seems to question his credibility and seems more like a click bate activity.

[bobbiemcgee]

What's next? Fox pushing horse paste sunscreen?

[paulxu]

He created it; so I'm guessing he's endorsing it. It's one of his specials that his network is funding.

[XU_Lou]

Looks like the party of sexual predators, the party of groomers, the party of >2 genders, the party of pregnant men - that is, the Democrat party - suffered a major defeat in Florida today with passage of a bill that will strip Disney's self-governing status.

Disney's stock is now down 31.5% for the year - what a shame...

GO WOKE, GO BROKE

[paulxu]

Tanning ballsacks and hating on Mickey. What fun you guys have.

[Masterofreality]

Tanning ballsacks and hating on Mickey. What fun you guys have.

"Hating on Mickey"

Why are you defending an outfit that is protesting a very reasonable law against saying anything to kids about race, gender identification or sex for kids 4 through 9 years old? Are you in favor of that Paul? Do you really want to take away kid's innocence like that?
Also. Are you now in favor of misinformation as calling a Parental curriculum control law something that it isn't, such as deeming it 'Don't Say Gay"?

"Mickey" has brought this scorn upon itself. If you are so brainwashed that you really are in favor of this garbage, and that is the kind of fun YOU have, please seek professional help. Don't spread your trash among reasonable people.

[Masterofreality]

He created it; so I'm guessing he's endorsing it. It's one of his specials that his network is funding.


Unlike CNN+ which will be funding nothing. Great launch and crash!!!!
Normal people have rejected this CNN line for years and the is the capstone.

[Masterofreality]

He created it; so I'm guessing he's endorsing it. It's one of his specials that his network is funding.

Yes. And to the above, this is the kind of misinformation that CNN and partisan hack Brian Stelter-who hosts a show hilariously named “Reliable Sources”- said about this “Libs of TikTok” controversy on Twitter caused by a doxxing article by Washington Post grifter writer Taylor Lorenz, another partisan hack.
Quit looking at Fox News Paul.

“ Then there is Brian Stelter of CNN/CNN+. He claimed that LibofTikTok is taking clips out of context and cherry-picking. He talked to Mavi Ramirez who LibsofTikTok had highlighted.
Stelter never actually played the video from Ramirez that LibsofTikTok highlighted. In the video, Ramirez claims that even using the word “gay” could get her fired. That is flagrantly not true.
For a man who spends every day whipping Fox News for supposed misinformation or disinformation, you’d think he would want to correct the record. But he would not even show Ramirez’s TikTok video that LibsofTikTok showed.
You’ll note that Ramirez’s claims are actually directly contradicted by the text of the law. But Stelter not only did not show her video, he did not correct the record. If anything, he allowed her to perpetuate the mythology she’s embraced and himself advanced misinformation by claiming LibsofTikTok is taking videos “out of context.” No, the context is there. Like this professor who says he cannot say it is wrong to have sex with kids.”

https://ewerickson.substack.com/p/dear-taylor-lorenz-brian-stelter?s=w&utm_medium=web

And Paul and Bobby are worried about Tucker Carlson. Huh?

[paulxu]

Maybe if I do get my ballsack tanned, I can get on board with this nonsense.
This intense hating on gay people, and any "others" reminds me so much of the German people slowly coming to blame the "other" (Jewish people) for all the problems they faced.
Hope that doesn't happen to us.
The desire to marginalize the "other," be they an immigrant, a person of a different color, a person of a different religion, or one of a different orientation, is hate filled and destructive.

And for the record, the law was written to address other classroom ages past the K-4, but.....

Why are you defending an outfit that is protesting a very reasonable law against saying anything to kids about race, gender identification or sex for kids 4 through 9 years old? Are you in favor of that Paul? Do you really want to take away kid's innocence like that?
If a 9 year old kid came to school and starting bullying a black child by calling them the N-word because it was used at their home all the time, yes I would want the teacher to step in and "say something" about race.
What would you want...for her to support it?

We can be so much better than this.

[GoMuskies]

We are definitely THIS close to opening concentration camps for the gheys. Good post.

[Masterofreality]

Maybe if I do get my ballsack tanned, I can get on board with this nonsense.
This intense hating on gay people, and any "others" reminds me so much of the German people slowly coming to blame the "other" (Jewish people) for all the problems they faced.
Hope that doesn't happen to us.
The desire to marginalize the "other," be they an immigrant, a person of a different color, a person of a different religion, or one of a different orientation, is hate filled and destructive.

And for the record, the law was written to address other classroom ages past the K-4, but.....

If a 9 year old kid came to school and starting bullying a black child by calling them the N-word because it was used at their home all the time, yes I would want the teacher to step in and "say something" about race.
What would you want...for her to support it?

We can be so much better than this.

“IF”.
Perfect typical move by the left. Cite something that did not happen as justification for criticizing a proper reasonable law.
All. The. Time.

And for the groups Friday morning reading pleasure I post the below. I also State that EVERYONE should subscribe to former NYT editor Bari Weiss’ Substack site “Common Sense”. It is outstanding.

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/tgif-cnn-goes-belly-up-libs-of-tiktok

[XU_Lou]

Maybe if I do get my ballsack tanned, I can get on board with this nonsense.
This intense hating on gay people, and any "others" reminds me so much of the German people slowly coming to blame the "other" (Jewish people) for all the problems they faced.
Hope that doesn't happen to us.
The desire to marginalize the "other," be they an immigrant, a person of a different color, a person of a different religion, or one of a different orientation, is hate filled and destructive.

And for the record, the law was written to address other classroom ages past the K-4, but.....

If a 9 year old kid came to school and starting bullying a black child by calling them the N-word because it was used at their home all the time, yes I would want the teacher to step in and "say something" about race.
What would you want...for her to support it?

We can be so much better than this.

What in God's name are you talking about?

[bjf123]

If Disney wants to truly show support for the LGBTQ community, shouldn’t they prohibit their movies and services, like Disney+, from be available in the many countries where being gay is against the law and can get you arrested, or worse? I don’t think they’ve done that, so they clearly value profit over their claimed moral values. Hypocritical? Of course it is!

Personally, I’m a big Disney fan. Love going to DisneyWorld and Disneyland.


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[noteggs]

Maybe if I do get my ballsack tanned, I can get on board with this nonsense.
This intense hating on gay people, and any "others" reminds me so much of the German people slowly coming to blame the "other" (Jewish people) for all the problems they faced.
Hope that doesn't happen to us.
The desire to marginalize the "other," be they an immigrant, a person of a different color, a person of a different religion, or one of a different orientation, is hate filled and destructive.

And for the record, the law was written to address other classroom ages past the K-4, but.....

If a 9 year old kid came to school and starting bullying a black child by calling them the N-word because it was used at their home all the time, yes I would want the teacher to step in and "say something" about race.
What would you want...for her to support it?

We can be so much better than this.

Hmmm. Intense hating on gays? Can you expand upon this. If it’s about one idiotic segment from Carlson, you are casting a pretty large net. As for the Florida bill, here it is. https://www.myfloridahouse.gov/Sections/Bills/billsdetail.aspx?BillId=76545 It prohibits discussing sexual identity or orientation for kids in K through 3rd grade.

Honestly, you have completely bought into the liberal playbook by suggesting your political opponents are racist, xenophobic, and homophobic. Democrats used to bring this up around election time but seems to be a daily thing now.

[bobbiemcgee]

Good Move. Orange County residents will incur up to $2800 more taxes per resident to cover the billion to 2 billion in bonds previously owed by Disney. An increase of 15 to 20% in property taxes. Not to mention they will be on the hook for all maintenance of roads, police, fire, etc. for a massive piece of real estate. And anybody rooting for Disney's demise, may want to consider the huge hit to the fla. sales tax. Classic example of acting before reviewing the consequences.

[paulxu]

Honestly, you have completely bought into the liberal playbook by suggesting your political opponents are racist, xenophobic, and homophobic. Democrats used to bring this up around election time but seems to be a daily thing now.

Really? Seems fairly mainstream for some.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgm9vd/republicans-democrats-pedophiles-poll

[Masterofreality]

Good Move. Orange County residents will incur up to $2800 more taxes per resident to cover the billion to 2 billion in bonds previously owed by Disney. An increase of 15 to 20% in property taxes. Not to mention they will be on the hook for all maintenance of roads, police, fire, etc. for a massive piece of real estate. And anybody rooting for Disney's demise, may want to consider the huge hit to the fla. sales tax. Classic example of acting before reviewing the consequences.

HA! Have you noticed that the Special District does not go away until 6/1/23? That is plenty of time for the Legislature to draft and pass bills that will be more punative to Disney and mitigate any effect on the county and state taxpayers. The District elimination is merely step 1.
About time that Republicans followed the Democrat playbook of imposing punitive taxes/fees on unfavored Corporations that they don’t like. Kinda like screwing Landlords with rent control/eviction moratoriums and hitting energy companies with exorbitant excise taxes. I could go on.
Bobbie & Paul are well versed in that move.

[Masterofreality]

Really? Seems fairly mainstream for some.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgm9vd/republicans-democrats-pedophiles-poll

*Quotes……errrrr….Vice???
Credibility shot.

[bobbiemcgee]

HA! Have you noticed that the Special District does not go away until 6/1/23? That is plenty of time for the Legislature to draft and pass bills that will be more punative to Disney and mitigate any effect on the county and state taxpayers. The District elimination is merely step 1.
About time that Republicans followed the Democrat playbook of imposing punitive taxes/fees on unfavored Corporations that they don’t like. Kinda like screwing Landlords with rent control/eviction moratoriums and hitting energy companies with exorbitant excise taxes. I could go on.
Bobbie & Paul are well versed in that move.

How is punitive to Disney taking 1 to 2 billion off their books and $158 million a year in bond and maintenance payments.

“They’re dissolving something the size of the city of Orlando in 72 hours,” Tax ollector Randolph said. “This is not the way to run a state.”

[Smails]

This intense hating on gay people, and any "others" reminds me so much of the German people slowly coming to blame the "other" (Jewish people) for all the problems they faced.


My god you are truly a bad person if you really believe this. I really hope you don't because it's an absolute smack in the face for those who went through the actual event and the relatives of those who are forced to live with the horror knowing what their family members actually had to endure. Just an incredibly stupid and insensitive statement, Paul. You can do so much better than this...maybe

[paulxu]

*Quotes……errrrr….Vice???
Credibility shot.


My god you are truly a bad person if you really believe this. I really hope you don't because it's an absolute smack in the face for those who went through the actual event and the relatives of those who are forced to live with the horror knowing what their family members actually had to endure. Just an incredibly stupid and insensitive statement, Paul. You can do so much better than this...maybe

Well, apparently 44 million Americans are in on this belief. A quarter of Republicans agree with Qanon views.
Vice was quoting a poll. So attack the messenger?
Here's another report.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement

[Masterofreality]

Well, apparently 44 million Americans are in on this belief. A quarter of Republicans agree with Qanon views.
Vice was quoting a poll. So attack the messenger?
Here's another report.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2022-02-24/a-quarter-of-republicans-believe-central-views-of-qanon-conspiracy-movement

And you believe everything that polls that CNN and MSNBC peddles too..including conspiracy theories about Trump and Russia that were totally debunked. Oh, and about that Hunter Biden laptop that was merely Russian disinformation…until it wasn’t. I just know that Paul would believe a Fox News poll, because he believes in all polls. Right??
As we all know, you can make polls say whatever you want them to say. Just control the group you want to poll to get a narrative u want. Easy.

[noteggs]

Really? Seems fairly mainstream for some.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/jgm9vd/republicans-democrats-pedophiles-poll

What’s weird from the original poll you sent is 21% of Democrats knew a lot about QAnon compared to only 11% republicans. So now we are supposed to believe 25% Republicans believe in this mythical creature? Got it. And if The Economist asked me to do a poll, I would run away from it as fast as I could. Yea no hidden agenda there.

BTW, what does this have to do with my original point? You know the intense hating of gays and the Parental rights in education bill?

[Smails]

Well, apparently 44 million Americans are in on this belief. A quarter of Republicans agree with Qanon views.
Vice was quoting a poll. So attack the messenger?




Wrong Paul- You specifically said that you think the current treatment of gays reminded YOU of of what the Nazis did to the Jews before putting them into camps and systematically slaughtering them. That has nothing to do with a poll. You proclaimed it as your OWN opinion. As someone with deep ties to the holocaust, it makes me sick to see people like you use it as a political talking point to further your personal ideology. I stand by my statement that if you think the current treatment of gays in this country is even in the same stratosphere as what happened to the Jews pre-holocaust...you're not a good person. I need to go back to my history books and see if Nazi Germany had a federally recognized "Jewish Pride Month" or did the Germans put Jews in a federally protected class so that employers couldn't discriminate against them. Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit

[paulxu]

Wrong Paul- You specifically said that you think the current treatment of gays reminded YOU of of what the Nazis did to the Jews before putting them into camps and systematically slaughtering them.

I stand by my opinion that getting people to hate or marginalize the "other" can have bad consequences.
It doesn't remind me of what the Nazis did to the Jews...it reminds me of what they did to the German people.
They got them to believe the "other" was responsible for all their problems.

It's the current operating strategy of the Republican party...and it's working.

[Masterofreality]

I stand by my opinion that getting people to hate or marginalize the "other" can have bad consequences.
It doesn't remind me of what the Nazis did to the Jews...it reminds me of what they did to the German people.
They got them to believe the "other" was responsible for all their problems.

It's the current operating strategy of the Republican party...and it's working.

No, that was, and is the actual modus operandi of the Democrats placing blame on the unmasked and unvaxxed for Covid spread. Plus calling everyone who didn’t fall in line with the Black Lives Matter grift “Racists”. All those donated millions going to buy luxury properties for Patrise Cullors & others. Imagine that. And talk about division? Seems like Antifa riots kinda maybe were divisive? Those weren’t Republican.
The politics of division is the Democrat playbook. Hurts when it gets turned around on your side doesn’t it Paul?? Open your eyes!
Wait until after the November elections and the Red Wave. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wait until after the November elections and the Red Wave. You ain’t seen nothing yet.

Think things will get better with the lying McCarthy, MTG and Boebert and a Dem in the WH?

[GoMuskies]

I suspect things won't get worse. That's a win.

[XU_Lou]

I just wanted to wish all you Dems on this board a happy belated Earth Day!


From NBC News:

"Ira Einhorn was on stage hosting the first Earth Day event at the Fairmount Park in Philadelphia on April 22, 1970. Seven years later, police raided his closet and found the "composted" body of his ex-girlfriend inside a trunk.

A self-proclaimed environmental activist, Einhorn made a name for himself among ecological groups during the 1960s and '70s by taking on the role of a tie-dye-wearing ecological guru and Philadelphia’s head hippie. With his long beard and gap-toothed smile, Einhorn — who nicknamed himself "Unicorn" because his German-Jewish last name translates to "one horn" —advocated flower power, peace and free love to his fellow students at the University of Pennsylvania. He also claimed to have helped found Earth Day.

But the charismatic spokesman who helped bring awareness to environmental issues and preached against the Vietnam War — and any violence — had a secret dark side. When his girlfriend of five years, Helen "Holly" Maddux, moved to New York and broke up with him, Einhorn threatened that he would throw her left-behind personal belongings onto the street if she didn't come back to pick them up.

And so on Sept. 9, 1977, Maddux went back to the apartment that she and Einhorn had shared in Philadelphia to collect her things, and was never seen again. When Philadelphia police questioned Einhorn about her mysterious disappearance several weeks later, he claimed that she had gone out to the neighborhood co-op to buy some tofu and sprouts and never returned.

It wasn't until 18 months later that investigators searched Einhorn's apartment after one of his neighbors complained that a reddish-brown, foul-smelling liquid was leaking from the ceiling directly below Einhorn's bedroom closet. Inside the closet, police found Maddux's beaten and partially mummified body stuffed into a trunk that had also been packed with Styrofoam, air fresheners and newspapers.

Although Einhorn was only the master of ceremonies at the first Earth Day event, he maintains that Earth Day was his idea and that he's responsible for launching it."

https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna42711922


BTW, weren't the Nazis big environmentalists as well?

[xuwillie]

Think things will get better with the lying McCarthy, MTG and Boebert and a Dem in the WH?

Yes..Can't get any worse.

[paulxu]

Wait...we had a guy here a few years ago with girls in his trunk :munch:

[XU_Lou]

Why do leftists and Democrats always resort to violence in order to get their way?

Whether it's Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, or Bill Ayers, ‎Bernardine Dohrn‎, the Weather Underground, Red Army Faction, Red Brigades, Fuerzas Armadas de Liberacion Nacional Puertorriquena, Animal Liberation Front, Earth Liberation Front, BLM. Antifa, etc. etc. etc., it's all the same: "our way or death".


Fortunately the US just locked this POS up:

"Far-left violent extremist Joseph Mahmoud Dibee, 53, pleaded guilty in federal court Thursday to carrying out bombings, according to the Justice Department.

Dibee, a Pacific Northwest environmental extremist, arsonist, and former fugitive, pleaded guilty in two arson conspiracies targeting commercial and government-owned animal processing facilities in Oregon and California."

https://thepostmillennial.com/environmental-extremist-pleads-guilty-to-decades-old-arson-attacks-in-oregon-california

[bobbiemcgee]

Yes..Can't get any worse.

Matt Gaetz will chair the Ethics committee.

[Masterofreality]

Matt Gaetz will chair the Ethics committee.

So *maybe* not quite as bad as Eric Swallwell on the House Intelligence Committee canoodling with Chinese Spy Christine Fang, huh?

[Masterofreality]

Posted without comment, but all should read. Are you progressive elites listening??

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/04/24/the_wests_war_on_the_west_147515.html

[bobbiemcgee]

Never watch tucker, huh? Watch out for skin cancer on the nutz.

[XU_Lou]

Posted without comment, but all should read. Are you progressive elites listening??

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/04/24/the_wests_war_on_the_west_147515.html

This is so spot on. We are truly at a crossroads, or a tipping point. Do we continue to pursue the freedoms laid out in the Constitution, or will we submit to tyranny? It seems that the greater population has finally "woken" to what the left is doing to this country, its freedoms, and all of its institutions.

On a similar theme, check out this recent Pew Poll. The headline: "Republicans increasingly critical of several major U.S. institutions, including big corporations and banks"

It compares sentiment from now versus 2019. Colleges and tech companies have also declined:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/08/20/republicans-increasingly-critical-of-several-major-u-s-institutions-including-big-corporations-and-banks/

[paulxu]

"or will we submit to tyranny?"

What a joke coming from the party who tried to overturn the constitutional order on January 6th. You guys are too much.

Hope you got your Build the Wall money back...Bannon is laughing from his pardon perch all the way to the bank.

[Strange Brew]

Posted without comment, but all should read. Are you progressive elites listening??

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2022/04/24/the_wests_war_on_the_west_147515.html

Please MOR, there is nothing “elite” about them.

[xuwillie]

What a joke coming from the party who tried to overturn the constitutional order on January 6th. You guys are too much.

Hope you got your Build the Wall money back...Bannon is laughing from his pardon perch all the way to the bank.

Really doesn't matter what you think come November.. You're not changing anyones mind here so why post so much

[Strange Brew]

What a joke coming from the party who tried to overturn the constitutional order on January 6th. You guys are too much.

Hope you got your Build the Wall money back...Bannon is laughing from his pardon perch all the way to the bank.

What Constitutional Order are you talking about Paul?

[paulxu]

What Constitutional Order are you talking about Paul?

This is from Article 2 of the United States Constitution:


The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates, and the votes shall then be counted.

If, on the day selected, and in the presence of the full House and Senate, the President of the Senate (the Vice President of the United States) is attempting to carry our the prescribed constitutional order (despite the President asking him to violate the constitution and not count the votes) while a mob of insurrectionists are roaming the halls of Congress (not breached since 1812) shouting their desire to hang the Vice President....

I think it can safely be said that an attempt to overturn the constitutional order was being made.

[XU_Lou]

This is from Article 2 of the United States Constitution:


If, on the day selected, and in the presence of the full House and Senate, the President of the Senate (the Vice President of the United States) is attempting to carry our the prescribed constitutional order (despite the President asking him to violate the constitution and not count the votes) while a mob of insurrectionists are roaming the halls of Congress (not breached since 1812) shouting their desire to hang the Vice President....

I think it can safely be said that an attempt to overturn the constitutional order was being made.

Who cares? It was a mostly peaceful protest. Besides, it was the Feds that led and instigated the so-called "insurrection". Moreover, most of those guys were invited in. Moreover, we learned those tactics from you and the liberal media. Didn't we spend all of 2020 being told by Democrat politicians and the media that violence was acceptable? You showed us how it was done! Right?

Spare me...

Paul, you're so worried about the Constitution with this event, I wonder why you're not worried about the rights of Biden's political prisoners? How about Amendments 5, 6 and 8 being violated while these guys rot and are subjected to cruelty in Biden's dungeons? Where's YOUR concern?

What about the constant assault on Amendments 1 and 2 by the Dems?

[bobbiemcgee]

Who cares? It was a mostly peaceful protest.

Yep. 114 Capitol Police injured, 818 insurrectionists charged. Just another lovely day in the park. Let 'em rot.

[bobbiemcgee]

Meanwhile, 2 of Bannon's co-defendants pleaded guilty to fraud for ripping off the "build the wall" supporters and pocketing the money. Bannon, of course, got a pardon from the corrupter-in-chief.

[Strange Brew]

Yep. 114 Capitol Police injured, 818 insurrectionists charged. Just another lovely day in the park. Let 'em rot.

1 protester gunned down. Another trampled to death.

I miss the Free Speech movement.

[Strange Brew]

This is from Article 2 of the United States Constitution:



If, on the day selected, and in the presence of the full House and Senate, the President of the Senate (the Vice President of the United States) is attempting to carry our the prescribed constitutional order (despite the President asking him to violate the constitution and not count the votes) while a mob of insurrectionists are roaming the halls of Congress (not breached since 1812) shouting their desire to hang the Vice President....

I think it can safely be said that an attempt to overturn the constitutional order was being made.

Read all of Article 2 if you’re going to use it.

[STL_XUfan]

Read all of Article 2 if you’re going to use it.

Oh no, our resident constitutional scholar is back on his beat.

[GoMuskies]

I guess Musk is going to buy Twitter. Not sure if that will make it better or worse. Maybe more interesting for a while.

[Xuperman]

FOP stats- Murder of police officers up 59% in 2021. Overall police shootings have spiked 43% this year compared to last year's ridiculous numbers. Director Wray says situation is the worst he's ever seen and said it doesn't get enough attention. Why, because the vast majority of "attention" is generated by the Main Stream Media....duh. Not to mention the political left avoids the subject like the plague.

I wonder who is killing all these cops?

[94GRAD]

FOP stats- Murder of police officers up 59% in 2021. Overall police shootings have spiked 43% this year compared to last year's ridiculous numbers. Director Wray says situation is the worst he's ever seen and said it doesn't get enough attention. Why, because the vast majority of "attention" is generated by the Main Stream Media....duh. Not to mention the political left avoids the subject like the plague.

I wonder who is killing all these cops?

Murderers is my guess

[Xuperman]

Murderers is my guess

Obviously, but in the context of Police murders specifically, there is a much more closely linked subset. For some reason (sarcasm font) it's hard to find a study that is more detailed on exactly who is pulling the trigger....other than just raw numbers.

[Masterofreality]

On the topic of policing, please read the following about how Seattle has gone down the drain.
And some people are still talking about a “Capitol Riot” where there was virtually no property damage or loss of life, plus no true “Threat to Democracy” no matter how *some* keep trying to perpetuate that BS.
The below is what happens when REAL riots take place….and are encouraged and amplified. (Also see Portland)

https://bariweiss.substack.com/p/a-cops-eye-view-of-seattles-undoing?r=et72d&s=r&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

[XU_Lou]

Winning!

Elon Musk: https://thelibertydaily.com/musk-buys-twitter/

[bobbiemcgee]

And some people are still talking about a “Capitol Riot” where there was virtually no property damage or loss of life, plus no true “Threat to Democracy” no matter how *some* keep trying to perpetuate that BS.i

More lies...30 million in damage

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/24/970977612/architect-of-the-capitol-outlines-30-million-in-damages-from-pro-trump-riot

[bobbiemcgee]

Winning!

Good news!!! ExPresident Trump Announces He Will NOT Return to Twitter.

[XU_Lou]

Good news!!! ExPresident Trump Announces He Will NOT Return to Twitter.

Even better news, he'll be back in the White House in Jan of 2025!!!!

LOLOLOL!!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Can you run from jail? Already paying a 10k per day fine.

[Masterofreality]

More lies...30 million in damage

https://www.npr.org/sections/insurrection-at-the-capitol/2021/02/24/970977612/architect-of-the-capitol-outlines-30-million-in-damages-from-pro-trump-riot

NPR. National Progressive Radio.
Charging for the Fences & cleanup. This is an estimate from the Government guy. The same Government that routinely pays for $1000 toilet seats. Uh, huh. The model of efficiency. We all know that they always ask for waaaaaaaay more than really needed. C’mon Bobbie. You can’t be that naive.
If anything, and if true, (it isn’t) it’s due to BidenFlation.

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess you didn't read the article. They just reported what The Architect Brent Blanton said. 20 year Navy veteran approved by Senate voice vote.

"Over the course of a couple of hours, the hard work of our team was destroyed," Blanton said.

[xuphan]

Even better news, he'll be back in the White House in Jan of 2025!!!!

LOLOLOL!!!!

Scary to think that in 2025 the president could be either Biden vs Trump. Hopefully a third party with a better alternative will be formed by then. Can only hope.

[Masterofreality]

Guess you didn't read the article. They just reported what The Architect Brent Blanton said. 20 year Navy veteran approved by Senate voice vote.

"Over the course of a couple of hours, the hard work of our team was destroyed," Blanton said.

Yeah, fences. Not the Capitol itself.
During the Leftist mob approved riots in 2020, that kind of damage was called "incidental"- for example, the fencing around a Federal Building in Portland, along with black paint, fires and explosions on the building itself.
THAT is what's called an Insurrection. Nothing of that scale happened on 1/6/21.

[paulxu]

Private Bone Spurs on rally security concerns:


Former president Donald Trump said he feared protesters would hit him with tomatoes, pineapples and other “very dangerous” fruit at his campaign rallies, declaring in a sworn deposition that “you can be killed if that happens.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/27/trump-says-he-feared-being-pelted-with-very-dangerous-fruit-rallies/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter

[Strange Brew]

Well, we now have a quasi “Ministry of Truth” within DHS. What could go wrong…

[bobbiemcgee]

and fear of tomatoes:
https://nypost.com/2022/04/27/trump-tells-lawyers-he-feared-being-hit-with-fruit-at-events/

[MADXSTER]

Well, we now have a quasi “Ministry of Truth” within DHS. What could go wrong…

Is this from Harry Potter?

[MADXSTER]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

[Strange Brew]

Is this from Harry Potter?

1984.

[noteggs]

Hmmm. The country just had a decrease in GDP in Q1. We have been experiencing high inflation (sorry, Putin’s price hike), border crisis, surge in murders, and supply chain issues. Not mention a war in Ukraine (guess I just did).

And yet some want to talk about Trump, bone spurs, and tomatoes. Interesting. Guess if that’s all you got, fall back guy is always a good strategy.

[noteggs]

1984.

Fantastic book! Slightly behind Brave New World and Fahrenheit IMO.

[XU_Lou]

Sincerely, does the Biden Administration hate America and its citizens?

Is it becoming increasingly clear that Biden picked Kamala Harris as his veep for 25th Amendment invocation insurance?

Is there anyone in the Biden Administration trying to promote peace between Ukraine and Russia, rather than ratcheting up the tension?

Does the Biden Administration understand that Russia has nuclear capabilities?

[bjf123]

Sincerely, does the Biden Administration hate America and its citizens?

Is it becoming increasingly clear that Biden picked Kamala Harris as his veep for 25th Amendment invocation insurance?

Is there anyone in the Biden Administration trying to promote peace between Ukraine and Russia, rather than ratcheting up the tension?

Does the Biden Administration understand that Russia has nuclear capabilities?

I’m not a Biden fan at all, but what do you want him to do about Putin’s attack on Ukraine?


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[Strange Brew]

Fantastic book! Slightly behind Brave New World and Fahrenheit IMO.

Read them all in HS as part of an AP Eng program on dystopian societies. Great teacher, good class, great conversations. Still to this day. :)

[XU_Lou]

I’m not a Biden fan at all, but what do you want him to do about Putin’s attack on Ukraine?


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He should not have continued provoking him. Just weeks before Russia invaded, Zelenskyy asked for nuclear weapons. That was a major provocation in Putin's eyes. Just as NATO and the Biden admin dangling the notion that Ukraine could join NATO. This was a policy NATO and Biden pursued - to act like they were considering Ukraine for entry into NATO in public, but in private they had no intention of ever admitting them. They were simply poking Putin. For what purpose?

If we saw Russian missiles in Cuba as a belligerent or aggressive act, why wouldn't NATO missiles and troops in Russia's back yard be considered a belligerent or aggressive act in their eyes? Why aren't they allowed to act in their self interest?

This clearly could've been prevented. There's no way this would've happened if Trump were in office. Don't get me wrong, Putin is clearly in the wrong by invading Ukraine. However, with the toothpaste already out of the tube, IMHO, we shouldn't be doing anything. By continuing to send weapons and support to Ukraine there are only two outcomes: a prolongation of the war, thus more death and destruction, or an escalation that results in NATO and US troop involvement, thus the potential for a major conflagration.

For the record, Ukraine is not all sweet and innocent. They have blood and blame on their hands as well.


Edit: Let me edit this and say that one thing we should be doing is flooding the world with natural gas and oil. It confounds me to no end that this isn't being done. #1, it would hurt Putin/Russia's pocket book directly, #2, it would help ease the inflation crisis. #3, and now that we're on the precipice of a recession, it would help our economy.

[Masterofreality]

Private Bone Spurs on rally security concerns:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/04/27/trump-says-he-feared-being-pelted-with-very-dangerous-fruit-rallies/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=wp_main&utm_source=twitter

One Trick Pony Paul can’t get away from his Orange Man Bad obsession.
Note to Paul: NOBODY CARES about Trump or January 6. You’re party will get shellacked in November because your eyes are on stuff NOBODY CARES ABOUT.
They care about this:
(Note Joe Biden’s “Lowest Approval Rate” number.)

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/600087-inflation-tops-list-of-issues-for-voters-ahead-of-midterms-poll/

You just keep that unhealthy obsession going tho while Rome (the US) burns.

[bobbiemcgee]

One Trick Pony Paul can’t get away from his Orange Man Bad obsession.
Note to Paul: NOBODY CARES about Trump

Of course your Orangeman is running. He's been raising money (usually for his own pocket) since he was kicked to the curb. Who else can the delusional pubs run? Qanon Rino's?

[bobbiemcgee]

IMHO, we shouldn't be doing anything.


Sure, stand by while the murderess thug attempts to kill 44 million people in a sovereign nation. Good strategy. he won't stop with Ukraine. He wants to re-unite the Soviet Union.

[XU_Lou]

If intervening in Ukraine is truly about saving lives, then why aren't we involved in the Tigray War in Ethiopia? Or Syria, or Yemen..... or Chicago for that matter?

If this is about protecting the sovereignty of Ukraine's borders, then what about our own southern border?



No, the constant spotlight, and the stoking of flames in the Ukraine-Russia war is about 3 things:

1) The Neocons lining their pockets with the profits from another war.

2) Biden protecting his and his son's business dealings in Ukraine.

3) And let's be real honest here for a minute, the real, fundamental reason for the push towards a war with Russia is because a bunch of lunatics in the Biden administration and throughout the deep state, as well as all of the rabid Democrat voters, think that a war will exact revenge on Putin for supposedly helping Trump win the 2016 election. If you look through all the smoke and mirrors, this is really what it's all about. Biden, the State Dept, CIA, etc.. don't give a rats ass about Ukraine.

[paulxu]

One Trick Pony Paul can’t get away from his Orange Man Bad obsession.
Note to Paul: NOBODY CARES about Trump or January 6. You’re party will get shellacked in November because your eyes are on stuff NOBODY CARES ABOUT.
They care about this:
(Note Joe Biden’s “Lowest Approval Rate” number.)

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/600087-inflation-tops-list-of-issues-for-voters-ahead-of-midterms-poll/

You just keep that unhealthy obsession going tho while Rome (the US) burns.

Is there another Republican holding rallies, and I missed it?

[XU_Lou]

"Every dictatorship has a propaganda arm—a “Ministry of Truth.” The Biden Administration has now formally joined the ranks of such dictatorships with their creation of the so-called “Disinformation Governance Board.” "

- Tulsi Gabbard (D), 4/29/22



https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1520003460787163136

[Masterofreality]

Is there another Republican holding rallies, and I missed it?

*Checks Polls* NOBODY CARES!

[xuphan]

"Every dictatorship has a propaganda arm—a “Ministry of Truth.” The Biden Administration has now formally joined the ranks of such dictatorships with their creation of the so-called “Disinformation Governance Board.” "

- Tulsi Gabbard (D), 4/29/22



https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1520003460787163136

Good! Politicians should hold their fellow party members accountable. This should happen more often in both parties.

[Xuperman]

Can we ALL now agree that radical far left groups like Antifa, actively seek out GOP rallies and similar conservative events to create violence and chaos? It is and has been their official M.O.

Portland Police reportedly had only 3 available officers to respond to the Antifa attack on Saturday....NOT enough. Looks like the decision to engage was delayed until the hooded bad guys accomplished their mission, THEN went in to take statements.

Portland now down to EIGHT officers per 100,000....down from a high of 30 per 100K. Defunding and attrition makes cities like Portland near anarchy.

The real crime here is that Biden's Feds and his spineless AG will never do the right thing and get aggressive with these anti American groups.
The "Squad" influence is too strong.....what a shitshow.

[Masterofreality]

Can we ALL now agree that radical far left groups like Antifa, actively seek out GOP rallies and similar conservative events to create violence and chaos? It is and has been their official M.O.

Portland Police reportedly had only 3 available officers to respond to the Antifa attack on Saturday....NOT enough. Looks like the decision to engage was delayed until the hooded bad guys accomplished their mission, THEN went in to take statements.

Portland now down to EIGHT officers per 100,000....down from a high of 30 per 100K. Defunding and attrition makes cities like Portland near anarchy.

The real crime here is that Biden's Feds and his spineless AG will never do the right thing and get aggressive with these anti American groups.
The "Squad" influence is too strong.....what a shitshow.

Meanwhile the one trick ponies only yap about “January 6”, while the true threats to Democracy are foisted elsewhere with zero condemnation.

[XU_Lou]

Meanwhile the one trick ponies only yap about “January 6”, while the true threats to Democracy are foisted elsewhere with zero condemnation.

its called "gaslighting"....

[Xuperman]

This is a good opportunity to pose the "can we all agree" question for our liberal leftist friends here, because this board reflects the political climate in our country quite nicely.

Is there ANYONE here who would disagree with any of these-

Letting mass numbers of ILLEGAL immigrants enter the USA without being tested for Covid and other contagious diseases is indefensible and dangerous to American Citizens?

Defunding Law Enforcement as policy defies logic and only foments more crime?

Biological Men should not be able to compete in Women's sports?

Term Limits for Federal Politicians would be effective in eliminating a lot of greed/corruption in DC?

This is a nice variety of issues.....both political and social.

Are we so divided that there is no common ground? Hope to get some serious response.

[bjf123]

I agree with all of those.


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[Xuperman]

I agree with all of those.


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Well that's no surprise.... all your posts on this thread indicates you are at least center right and possess basic common sense.

I am hoping to hear from our liberal leftist friends here. Not real confident.... most big lefties I personally know tend to clam up when presented with questions like I posted.

[XU_Lou]

This is a good opportunity to pose the "can we all agree" question for our liberal leftist friends here, because this board reflects the political climate in our country quite nicely.

Is there ANYONE here who would disagree with any of these-

Letting mass numbers of ILLEGAL immigrants enter the USA without being tested for Covid and other contagious diseases is indefensible and dangerous to American Citizens?

Defunding Law Enforcement as policy defies logic and only foments more crime?

Biological Men should not be able to compete in Women's sports?

Term Limits for Federal Politicians would be effective in eliminating a lot of greed/corruption in DC?

This is a nice variety of issues.....both political and social.

Are we so divided that there is no common ground? Hope to get some serious response.

This makes way too much sense, therefore, you must be crucified...

[Masterofreality]

This is a good opportunity to pose the "can we all agree" question for our liberal leftist friends here, because this board reflects the political climate in our country quite nicely.

Is there ANYONE here who would disagree with any of these-

Letting mass numbers of ILLEGAL immigrants enter the USA without being tested for Covid and other contagious diseases is indefensible and dangerous to American Citizens?

Defunding Law Enforcement as policy defies logic and only foments more crime?

Biological Men should not be able to compete in Women's sports?

Term Limits for Federal Politicians would be effective in eliminating a lot of greed/corruption in DC?

This is a nice variety of issues.....both political and social.

Are we so divided that there is no common ground? Hope to get some serious response.

Yes I agree as well.

Now, ask who is more responsible for how kids education is administered- Parents or Teachers?

[xuphan]

Can we ALL now agree that radical far left groups like Antifa, actively seek out GOP rallies and similar conservative events to create violence and chaos? It is and has been their official M.O.

Portland Police reportedly had only 3 available officers to respond to the Antifa attack on Saturday....NOT enough. Looks like the decision to engage was delayed until the hooded bad guys accomplished their mission, THEN went in to take statements.

Portland now down to EIGHT officers per 100,000....down from a high of 30 per 100K. Defunding and attrition makes cities like Portland near anarchy.

The real crime here is that Biden's Feds and his spineless AG will never do the right thing and get aggressive with these anti American groups.
The "Squad" influence is too strong.....what a shitshow.

Ya, You got the far left BLM rioting cities and destroying property and then you got the far Right holding a riot at the capital building destroying property. Both are wrong and should be punished for being anti-America yet neither the far left or the far right can see that.

[GoMuskies]

I believe I was told in this very thread that Roe v Wade would never be overturned.

[Masterofreality]

Anyone who supports killing babies, no matter what the age, is morally bankrupt.
And Democrats do that, including “Catholic” hypocrites Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and many others.
May they, and anyone else-on here or not- burn in hell. No other species on the planet kills their young except selfish clueless humans.
Any “Catholic Democrat” who does not support the overturning of Roe v Wade is the worst kind of hypocrite.
Life is precious. Bravo to the Supreme Court justices who voted in favor of overturning.
I’m not arguing about this. This is a sacred tenet.

[bobbiemcgee]

Pro-life myself but 69% wanted to keep Roe. Guess Gorsuch and Kavanaugh lied to Susan Collins to get her votes claiming it was "settled law". Not surprised.

[94GRAD]

Anyone who supports killing babies, no matter what the age, is morally bankrupt.
And Democrats do that, including “Catholic” hypocrites Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi and many others.
May they, and anyone else-on here or not- burn in hell. No other species on the planet kills their young except selfish clueless humans.
Any “Catholic Democrat” who does not support the overturning of Roe v Wade is the worst kind of hypocrite.
Life is precious. Bravo to the Supreme Court justices who voted in favor of overturning.
I’m not arguing about this. This is a sacred tenet.

That isn't true.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-some-mammals-kill-babies-own-kind-180953318/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)

[Xuperman]

Yeah, I grew up around hogs.....it is a horror show at times!

[noteggs]

Yeah, I grew up around hogs.....it is a horror show at times!

You have a rather diverse resume and pretty cool. Hogs and comic books, any other interesting job skills?

[Masterofreality]

That isn't true.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/why-some-mammals-kill-babies-own-kind-180953318/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide_(zoology)

Thanks for walking directly into my trap.
Everything you cite here is “Infanticide”.
In Humans the definition is as follows:,

in·fan·ti·cide
/inˈfan(t)əˌsīd/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1.
the crime of killing a child within a year of birth.

See? A CRIME. Just like abortion is. And hopefully, will be after this decision is rendered.
And if your answer is that “Well of course humans can do abortion because they are creative, reasoning beings-more than other animals”, welp…
Yes, they are smart enough, creative enough and reasoning enough to take measures to avoid being unwantedly pregnant.

[Masterofreality]

Pro-life myself but 69% wanted to keep Roe. Guess Gorsuch and Kavanaugh lied to Susan Collins to get her votes claiming it was "settled law". Not surprised.

Irrelevant. It’s unconstitutional and a States Rights issue.
I’m sure you believe in the US Constitution, correct?
That plus being “Pro Life” should make this a non issue for you, except that you support Politicians who support it.
But being Hypocritical is just par for the course on the left

[D-West & PO-Z]

Irrelevant. It’s unconstitutional and a States Rights issue.
I’m sure you believe in the US Constitution, correct?
That plus being “Pro Life” should make this a non issue for you, except that you support Politicians who support it.
But being Hypocritical is just par for the course on the left

MOR, I am Pro Life, I have voted for dems and pubs, anyone pro life who has voted for either side is "hypocritical" unless you find a republican who is against the death penalty.

I think most reasonable people would agree it is foolish to vote on one single issue only. So I don't think there is a need to name call anyone who is pro life who has ever voted for a democrat.

[94GRAD]

Mor, which of these candidates would you vote for-

1- You agree on the following policies- Spending/Infrastructure/Defense/Immigration/Taxes, but they are Pro-choice
2- You disagree on the following policies- Spending/Infrastructure/Defense/Immigration/Taxes, but they are Pro-life

[X-band '01]

Just imagine if he lived in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district. She clearly holds the Catholic Church in high regard.

[Masterofreality]

MOR, I am Pro Life, I have voted for dems and pubs, anyone pro life who has voted for either side is "hypocritical" unless you find a republican who is against the death penalty.

I think most reasonable people would agree it is foolish to vote on one single issue only. So I don't think there is a need to name call anyone who is pro life who has ever voted for a democrat.

I’m against the Death Penalty. So??
And which Party’s leaders are melting down over this Abortion decision., wanting to expand the court and trash the filibuster to get their garbage in?
Hint. It’s NOT Republicans.

[Masterofreality]

Mor, which of these candidates would you vote for-

1- You agree on the following policies- Spending/Infrastructure/Defense/Immigration/Taxes, but they are Pro-choice
2- You disagree on the following policies- Spending/Infrastructure/Defense/Immigration/Taxes, but they are Pro-life

Those don’t exist. Name a name.
But Pro Life rules

[Masterofreality]

Just imagine if he lived in Marjorie Taylor Greene's district. She clearly holds the Catholic Church in high regard.

I was called a “Fish Eater” and “N Lover” because I went to a Catholic High School- the only integrated high school in Nashville after we moved there. We had an integrated Basketball team. We went through it.
Don’t give a sh$&t

[X-band '01]

Nashville, eh? At least they didn't call you an Alabama fan!

[Masterofreality]

Nashville, eh? At least they didn't call you an Alabama fan!

Ha!!! That’s worse!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Irrelevant. It’s unconstitutional and a States Rights issue.
I’m sure you believe in the US Constitution, correct?
That plus being “Pro Life” should make this a non issue for you, except that you support Politicians who support it.
But being Hypocritical is just par for the course on the left

Don't vote on one issue. Like to consider many.

[bobbiemcgee]

Those don’t exist. Name a name.

Never trumper JD Vance. Did he get your vote?

[Masterofreality]

Don't vote on one issue. Like to consider many.

Murdering Babies Crime issue takes precedence over any other non crime issue.
Period.
Do you support murder Bobbie? In any case?
A simple yes or no question

[bobbiemcgee]

In any case, Yes. I think someone should murder Putin.

[xuphan]

Never trumper JD Vance. Did he get your vote?

Amazing watching grown men like JD Vance, Josh Mandle, and Gibbons drool at the chance to get endorsed by an ex president who was a shady businessman and was impeached twice.

[noteggs]

I’m amazed that Delaware never had a Senator.

[Masterofreality]

If anyone wants to know the true story about real “Threats to Democracy”, they should order and read this book.
This, as opposed to the gaslighting Washington Post, NY Times and CNN/MSNBC this guy was on the ground, in danger and did real reporting.
This is true journalism.

https://www.juliorosas.com/

[paulxu]

If anyone wants to know the true story about real “Threats to Democracy”, they should order and read this book.
This, as opposed to the gaslighting Washington Post, NY Times and CNN/MSNBC this guy was on the ground, in danger and did real reporting.
This is true journalism.

https://www.juliorosas.com/

That might be an interesting read.
I went to the link you posted and found this on his website:

His reporting has appeared at, among other outlets, Fox News, Daily Caller, Blaze, New York Post, New York Times, Washington Post, ABC News, and Newsweek.


I guess the question might be, since his reporting has appeared at the Washington Post and NY Times...can you gaslight yourself?

[Xuperman]

You have a rather diverse resume and pretty cool. Hogs and comic books, any other interesting job skills?

The hogs were when I was a kid in Hillsboro. My Comic/video game store was on McMillan in the 90's. Prior to that I worked at the Cooper's Fixery across the street from the Cincinnati Gardens.....in the early 80's. Old man Cooper was close friends with the Robinson family and I was actually a caddy for both those guys! On one of those 18 holes, Mr. Robinson asked me to park cars at Garden events. Shortly thereafter, he ask me to be supervisor for the clean up crew after Gardens events. Next thing you know, I am rebounding practice for individual playes after Xavier games, ALL WHILE my crew was sweeping up! I am talking the Staak/Gillen days. McBride, Fleming, Bailey, Walker, Kimbrough, LARKIN!

I received $30 cash per night....my kids got $10.....PLUS, they left 1 concession booth open for FREE soda pop and all the left over popcorn you could consume.....and sometimes Hot Dogs!

After that I usually went to Bob Schuster's bar behind the Gardens on Langdon Farm......really good times!

Thanks for asking.
:drinks:

[paulxu]

The best part of that story is that the coaches had the players practicing AFTER games.

[Xville]

Murdering Babies Crime issue takes precedence over any other non crime issue.
Period.
Do you support murder Bobbie? In any case?
A simple yes or no question

Just for the record, I'm against abortion (innocent lives) but a huge fan of the death penalty (people who deserve this are huge pos and the world is a better place without them.) spare me the God is the only one who should make that decision nonsense.

I had a family member (my aunt) killed in front of two of my cousins who were 6 and 8 at the time while she was reading them a christmas story on christmas eve night. The guy who murdered her had escaped from prison that night and went on a rampage to go and find everyone who had put him in jail the first time for murdering his wife. He had gone looking for my uncle who was the sheriff at the time...couldn't find him so killed my aunt instead.

My point is that you seem to see things as very black and white and that's not the real world.

[XU_Lou]

Just for the record, I'm against abortion (innocent lives) but a huge fan of the death penalty (people who deserve this are huge pos and the world is a better place without them.) spare me the God is the only one who should make that decision nonsense.

I had a family member (my aunt) killed in front of two of my cousins who were 6 and 8 at the time while she was reading them a christmas story on christmas eve night. The guy who murdered her had escaped from prison that night and went on a rampage to go and find everyone who had put him in jail the first time for murdering his wife. He had gone looking for my uncle who was the sheriff at the time...couldn't find him so killed my aunt instead.

My point is that you seem to see things as very black and white and that's not the real world.

Huh?? You have the same position on abortion, yet you criticize MOR for seeing things in B&W? So is your position somehow more nuanced???

What does your family history have to do with anything MOR said????

[Xville]

Huh?? You have the same position on abortion, yet you criticize MOR for seeing things in B&W? So is your position somehow more nuanced???

What does your family history have to do with anything MOR said????

His position is that any murder is wrong, I disagree, due to things such as family history. It’s not really that hard to understand.

[XU_Lou]

His position is that any murder is wrong, I disagree, due to things such as family history. It’s not really that hard to understand.

1) he's strictly talking about murdering babies - that's the reference

2) please, by all means, explain to me where murder is not wrong.... this should be real interesting....

[bobbiemcgee]

Nope. He said "Do you support murder Bobbie? In any case?" I said "sure" I would blow Putin's head off for murdering babies and children. Who wouldn't?

[Xville]

1) he's strictly talking about murdering babies - that's the reference

2) please, by all means, explain to me where murder is not wrong.... this should be real interesting....

Go back and read the transcript. Wasn’t just about murdering babies. Thank you.

[XU_Lou]

Go back and read the transcript. Wasn’t just about murdering babies. Thank you.

I don’t know what your problem is, but you have such an obsession with me and trying to prove me wrong, that you continually dig yourself such a hole when you reply to my statements that you look dumber and dumber.

I in fact believe in many cases murder is not wrong which is why I said he sees things in black and white where in reality the world is a lot of gray. I think murdering someone if they kill a member of your family is perfectly fine.

"I don’t know what your problem is, but you have such an obsession with me and trying to prove me wrong, that you continually dig yourself such a hole when you reply to my statements that you look dumber and dumber."

Really??? This is so rich.... LOL!!


"I in fact believe in many cases murder is not wrong which is why I said he sees things in black and white where in reality the world is a lot of gray. I think murdering someone if they kill a member of your family is perfectly fine."

So you don't believe in the rule of law, then? You don't believe in due process? Is wild west vigilantism your solution?

[Xville]

"I don’t know what your problem is, but you have such an obsession with me and trying to prove me wrong, that you continually dig yourself such a hole when you reply to my statements that you look dumber and dumber."

Really??? This is so rich.... LOL!!


"I in fact believe in many cases murder is not wrong which is why I said he sees things in black and white where in reality the world is a lot of gray. I think murdering someone if they kill a member of your family is perfectly fine."

So you don't believe in the rule of law, then? You don't believe in due process? Is wild west vigilantism your solution?

If we were talking about rules of law, killing unborn babies is perfectly fine at the moment.

[Masterofreality]

That might be an interesting read.
I went to the link you posted and found this on his website:


I guess the question might be, since his reporting has appeared at the Washington Post and NY Times...can you gaslight yourself?

Since zero of his reporting on the riots of 2020 appeared in the Washington Post and Néw York Times, that answer would be NO Paul. And since those outlets had carried him before, but not when it could have destroyed their narrative, methinks it makes those outlets look like partisan trash publications….which we already know they are.
Since you read them religiously and live by their scriptures you should know that.

[XU_Lou]

If we were talking about rules of law, killing unborn babies is perfectly fine at the moment.

Nice dodge!!! I see you went to the school of Paul & Bobbie Gaslighting for beginners!!

[Xville]

Nice dodge!!! I see you went to the school of Paul & Bobbie Gaslighting for beginners!!

You got one thing right. You got schooled, yet again.

[Masterofreality]

Just for the record, I'm against abortion (innocent lives) but a huge fan of the death penalty (people who deserve this are huge pos and the world is a better place without them.) spare me the God is the only one who should make that decision nonsense.

I had a family member (my aunt) killed in front of two of my cousins who were 6 and 8 at the time while she was reading them a christmas story on christmas eve night. The guy who murdered her had escaped from prison that night and went on a rampage to go and find everyone who had put him in jail the first time for murdering his wife. He had gone looking for my uncle who was the sheriff at the time...couldn't find him so killed my aunt instead.

My point is that you seem to see things as very black and white and that's not the real world.

Not sure what you are trying to get at here, but “murder” is a crime. That’s pretty black and white my friend.
Capital Punishment is not murder but *justified punishment” in some jurisdictions. It’s not murder, but takes a life. I don’t agree with it, but…

[xuphan]

Murdering Babies Crime issue takes precedence over any other non crime issue.
Period.
Do you support murder Bobbie? In any case?
A simple yes or no question

What does the term “life” mean to you? What rights should be afforded to someone to give them “life”? After conception, should a fetus be automatically given a social security number to demonstrate that they are a person? Does “life” only mean being born?

I am curious because my experience in the education field in a rural high poverty area, many of these “babies” don’t have a chance in “life”. Some are beaten on a regular basis, some don’t have food available all the time, some are transient and never stay in one spot long enough to make friends. Some say they want to be like their parents and collect the government check in the mail. Some live in mold and bug infested homes. Many have mental health issues that affect them every day. I could go on and on. If this country wants to repeal Roe v Wade which as a pro-life person myself I can get onboard with as long as “life” means more than to be born. I say this because their are a lot of these “babies” that have already been born and have no hope and sadly no in my belief quality “life” ahead of them.

[Xville]

Not sure what you are trying to get at here, but “murder” is a crime. That’s pretty black and white my friend.
Capital Punishment is not murder but *justified punishment” in some jurisdictions. It’s not murder, but takes a life. I don’t agree with it, but…

just because it is lawfully “wrong,” doesn’t mean it’s black and white except under the law.

I’m just curious from a moral standpoint, do you think killing can at times be ok?

[paulxu]

Since zero of his reporting on the riots of 2020 appeared in the Washington Post and Néw York Times, that answer would be NO Paul. And since those outlets had carried him before, but not when it could have destroyed their narrative, methinks it makes those outlets look like partisan trash publications….which we already know they are.
Since you read them religiously and live by their scriptures you should know that.

That must explain why the author publicizes that they carry his reporting on the bio part of his website. To reduce his own credibility.

[Xuperman]

So, assuming it is consensual sex that results in a pregnancy..... WHY doesn't the father's wishes ever come into play?

OR, am I not woke enough thinking that it actually takes a guy and gal to make a baby?

Edit- Sorry....should have said "birthing person"..... what an idiot.

[Xuperman]

Oops.... I used the words "guy", "gal" and "father". I should get with the times before posting such lunacy. Fortunately I didn't misuse any gender based pronouns.
:whack:

[Xuperman]

Also, I understand that men can get pregnant, so that's a game changer.....very interesting in this ever changing world.
:munch:

[Xuperman]

Seriously though, it's hard for me to get "woke" and stop being a total ass. However, I frequently drink large amounts of adult beverages and the effects tend to linger.

Oh no....can we still say "adult"?
:smack:

[Masterofreality]

just because it is lawfully “wrong,” doesn’t mean it’s black and white except under the law.

I’m just curious from a moral standpoint, do you think killing can at times be ok?

Seems like there is a Commandment for that. (Shoulder Shrug)

[Masterofreality]

That must explain why the author publicizes that they carry his reporting on the bio part of his website. To reduce his own credibility.

Can’t wait for Julio Rosas to cover the Insurrection surrounding the Supreme Court.
How many barricades and millions of dollars in damage will result from “Your Side” now Paul?
This is a good test of who covers what.

[Xville]

Seems like there is a Commandment for that. (Shoulder Shrug)

I’m not speaking to religious doctrine. Why are you dodging the question? Genuinely curious. If you live your life and set your morals by everything that the church teaches, I can respect that though I disagree with a lot of church teachings

[Xuperman]

The best part of that story is that the coaches had the players practicing AFTER games.

I don't recall any time that the entire team would practice post game. However, I do remember times when several players and a coach would work on some things.....Gillen did that on occasion. Us guys steered clear of anything like that.

The experiences I was referring to was individual guys coming out by themselves. Walt McBride was one. Here's a cool story about Walt. He brought a watch in for repair and I told him I had just bought a Betamax video player/recorder and had taped some games (probably 84' or 85'). He asked if he could borrow them. I said sure, and when he picked up his watch I had them there for him. He was thrilled!

He NEVER returned them!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Also, I understand that men can get pregnant, so that's a game changer.....very interesting in this ever changing world.
:munch:

"He who doesn't have a uterus cannot make the rules"..........fallopians 3:2: 1 (JOKE)

[Xuperman]

"He who doesn't have a uterus cannot make the rules"..........fallopians 3:2: 1 (JOKE)

No. No. No, bobbie. A uterus is not necessary.....that is anti-trans and you should know better.

Repeat "Birthing Person" a ahh "Birthing Person" aahh.....meditation in the woke church is mandatory.

[Masterofreality]

I’m not speaking to religious doctrine. Why are you dodging the question? Genuinely curious. If you live your life and set your morals by everything that the church teaches, I can respect that though I disagree with a lot of church teachings

Dodging what?
6th Commamdment: “Thou shalt not kill.”

Next: Every Law code in the World: Murder is a crime. Only Depends on the degree.
The only justifiable killing is in Self Defense.
What the hell else can I say???

[Masterofreality]

From Politico:
“ Law enforcement officials across the country are preparing for unrest in the wake of the Supreme Court’s anticipated reversal of Roe v. Wade. On Wednesday, more than 150 officials nationwide joined a call to discuss concerns about growing threats in the wake of the news, including potential danger to Supreme Court justices.”

Wow! Sounds awfully Insurrectionny

[UCGRAD4X]

So what public officials might be fomenting or even encouraging it? I do think it is fair to consider those that are not condemning it as well.

[xuphan]

From Politico:
“ Law enforcement officials across the country are preparing for unrest in the wake of the Supreme Court’s anticipated reversal of Roe v. Wade. On Wednesday, more than 150 officials nationwide joined a call to discuss concerns about growing threats in the wake of the news, including potential danger to Supreme Court justices.”

Wow! Sounds awfully Insurrectionny

100% agree. The far left and the far right both doing the same thing and then pointing the finger at the other. Such a strange group of individuals.

[Strange Brew]

So what public officials might be fomenting or even encouraging it? I do think it is fair to consider those that are not condemning it as well.

Elizabeth Warren and Chuck Schumer off the top of my head.

Some of the SCOTUS members were doxxed. Good stuff.

What's really dumb is the ruling, if it happens, doesn't make anything illegal.

[paulxu]

Hundred of thousands of women came to march in Washington in Jan of 2017, and I don't recall much violence (if any) during that protest.
Not sure what will happen this time, but the Proud Boys, white nationalists and incels will use it (and already have) as an opportunity to cause trouble:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096182/-As-protests-over-abortion-rights-hit-streets-far-right-extremists-already-see-target-for-violence

[GoMuskies]

Well, if words are violence now, I'm pretty sure Madonna threatened to blow up the White House.

[XU_Lou]

Hundred of thousands of women came to march in Washington in Jan of 2017, and I don't recall much violence (if any) during that protest.
Not sure what will happen this time, but the Proud Boys, white nationalists and incels will use it (and already have) as an opportunity to cause trouble:

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/5/5/2096182/-As-protests-over-abortion-rights-hit-streets-far-right-extremists-already-see-target-for-violence

I guess you forgot that YOUR party started the largest insurrection in history - you know, the one that killed more than 600K Americans, because YOUR party wanted to enslave people.

More than 150 years later, it doesn't look like you Democrats have been rehabilitated either. 80% of all abortion clinics are located in minority areas.

[xuphan]

I guess you forgot that YOUR party started the largest insurrection in history - you know, the one that killed more than 600K Americans, because YOUR party wanted to enslave people.

More than 150 years later, it doesn't look like you Democrats have been rehabilitated either. 80% of all abortion clinics are located in minority areas.

This post proves my point. The far left and the far right both doing the same thing and then pointing the finger at the other. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

[Strange Brew]

This post proves my point. The far left and the far right both doing the same thing and then pointing the finger at the other. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

Pointing out facts about the history of a Party is not extreme.

[xuphan]

Pointing out facts about the history of a Party is not extreme.

Saying what one party did is justifiable because another party did it is extreme. The pot calling kettle black is the reference that should be used here. Neither party is right.

[Strange Brew]

Saying what one party did is justifiable because another party did it is extreme. The pot calling kettle black is the reference that should be used here. Neither party is right.

I don't think that's why it was brought up.

Some people can't let go of Jan 6th and others are pointing out to them that it's not unprecedented. I don't think I've heard people say if laws were broken then the perps should walk. The problem is in calling it an insurrection. Because it wasn't. No one has been charged with that.

Also, there are calls for violence and threats being made about a leak of a ruling that only turns the power to where it belongs in this case. The States and/or the People. It was bad law and a bad ruling. Even Ginsburg is on record saying it was. Congress should've dealt with it 50 years ago but punted to Court. Who knows, maybe they'll deal with it now however it will probably need to be done through the Amendment process either way to settle whether abortion is actually a Right or not.

Side note CA is free to abort kids all day now if that is what the voters there want.

[XU_Lou]

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That's your federal government run by Joe Biden giving up on you. But, hey, lets put our full effort into protecting Ukraine's border!!

https://twitter.com/bgmasters/status/1522232182244184064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1522232182244184064%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.revolver.news%2F

[xuphan]

I don't think that's why it was brought up.

Some people can't let go of Jan 6th and others are pointing out to them that it's not unprecedented. I don't think I've heard people say if laws were broken then the perps should walk. The problem is in calling it an insurrection. Because it wasn't. No one has been charged with that.

Also, there are calls for violence and threats being made about a leak of a ruling that only turns the power to where it belongs in this case. The States and/or the People. It was bad law and a bad ruling. Even Ginsburg is on record saying it was. Congress should've dealt with it 50 years ago but punted to Court. Who knows, maybe they'll deal with it now however it will probably need to be done through the Amendment process either way to settle whether abortion is actually a Right or not.

Side note CA is free to abort kids all day now if that is what the voters there want.

So it was brought up because the left and the right are at odds on whether Jan 6th was an “insurrection”? An insurrection is a violent uprising against an authority or government. So what does the right wing members of this site think Jan 6th was? Wouldn’t the left wing BLM protest around the county over the past couple of summers also be considered an insurrection?

[Strange Brew]

So it was brought up because the left and the right are at odds on whether Jan 6th was an “insurrection”? An insurrection is a violent uprising against an authority or government. So what does the right wing members of this site think Jan 6th was? Wouldn’t the left wing BLM protest around the county over the past couple of summers also be considered an insurrection?

No, both were protests that had riotous elements. Jan 6th was a protest that got out of hand as the many, many of the BLM and protests did during the Brett K. hearings. This issue is they were treated very differently but frankly I don't care. Jan 6th was dumb (as soon as people entered/were allowed in the Capitol) as were the BLM "mostly peaceful" protests.

Also, thanks for looking up "insurrection". Also, look up the Insurrection Act of 1807. It was not invoked, no insurrection.

[xuphan]

Gotta love these bunch of idiots.

https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/05/05/ohio-redistricting-commission-passes-maps-already-rejected-as-illegal-by-supreme-court/?fbclid=IwAR0wncP3jPHGZNUudPgpm5BLF_rUCC2UmW8w9Sto OVM3SuZmlBONp_nxskg&mibextid=LEqPqO (https://ohiocapitaljournal.com/2022/05/05/ohio-redistricting-commission-passes-maps-already-rejected-as-illegal-by-supreme-court/?fbclid=IwAR0wncP3jPHGZNUudPgpm5BLF_rUCC2UmW8w9Sto OVM3SuZmlBONp_nxskg&mibextid=LEqPqOJlvKz8ouPd)

[Masterofreality]

No, both were protests that had riotous elements. Jan 6th was a protest that got out of hand as the many, many of the BLM and protests did during the Brett K. hearings. This issue is they were treated very differently but frankly I don't care. Jan 6th was dumb (as soon as people entered/were allowed in the Capitol) as were the BLM "mostly peaceful" protests.

Also, thanks for looking up "insurrection". Also, look up the Insurrection Act of 1807. It was not invoked, no insurrection.

This

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump's lawyer, McConnell and McCarthy:
"Yet, the question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point everyone agrees."

Always a problem with the facts here.

“It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next", McConnell said.

Asked Wednesday about Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) description of the riot as a “violent insurrection,” McCarthy said he agreed.

“No one would disagree with that,” McCarthy told reporters.

Your Llibertarians:

“This is not patriotism. This is not protesting. This is reprehensible violence and aggression and needs to stop now. We hope safety for all those who work in the Capitol.”

[XU_Lou]

Trump's lawyer, McConnell and McCarthy:
"Yet, the question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point everyone agrees."

Always a problem with the facts here.

“It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next", McConnell said.

Asked Wednesday about Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) description of the riot as a “violent insurrection,” McCarthy said he agreed.

“No one would disagree with that,” McCarthy told reporters.

Your Llibertarians:

“This is not patriotism. This is not protesting. This is reprehensible violence and aggression and needs to stop now. We hope safety for all those who work in the Capitol.”

Bobbie - Which was worse, the mostly peaceful protest of Jan 6 that was highly assisted and encouraged by undercover FBI spooks, OR, the attack on Ft. Sumter?

You need to come to terms with the horrible skeletons in your party's closet that still resonate to this day.

[xuphan]

Trump's lawyer, McConnell and McCarthy:
"Yet, the question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point everyone agrees."

Always a problem with the facts here.

“It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next", McConnell said.

Asked Wednesday about Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) description of the riot as a “violent insurrection,” McCarthy said he agreed.

“No one would disagree with that,” McCarthy told reporters.

Your Llibertarians:

“This is not patriotism. This is not protesting. This is reprehensible violence and aggression and needs to stop now. We hope safety for all those who work in the Capitol.”

This!

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=XU_Lou;734107]Bobbie - Which was worse, the mostly violent insurrection of Jan 6 that was highly assisted and encouraged by the proud boys and oath keepers, OR, the attack on Ft. Sumter?
Check your history. Nobody died at Ft. Sumter, and no idea why you interjected it into the conversation. A republican was President.

[Masterofreality]

Joe Biden refused to condemn the demonstrators at Catholic Churches and outside Supreme Court Justices houses today.
By failing to stand up to the far Left mobs targeting Supreme Court Justices at their homes, Joe Biden is either the most cowardly president in US history, or he actively supports mob rule and efforts to undermine democracy. It is probably a combination of both.

That would appear to be very Insurrectionny.
I anxiously await the Congressional Hearings about May 8.

[xuphan]

Joe Biden refused to condemn the demonstrators at Catholic Churches and outside Supreme Court Justices houses today.
By failing to stand up to the far Left mobs targeting Supreme Court Justices at their homes, Joe Biden is either the most cowardly president in US history, or he actively supports mob rule and efforts to undermine democracy. It is probably a combination of both.

That would appear to be very Insurrectionny.
I anxiously await the Congressional Hearings about May 8.

Another pot calling the kettle black type of post.

[Masterofreality]

Another pot calling the kettle black type of post.

I have zero idea what you mean?
Biden is silent. Bad things are happening. Can we now not post truth?
Just reporting the facts. Sorry you don’t like them.
I suppose you think it’s OK to demonstrate in front of Judges houses to pressure them to rule one way while ignoring the US Constitution and to intimidate Catholic Church worshippers who have no reason to be harrassed for practicing their faith? If this happened to Muslims, the mainstream media would be outraged. Now just crickets.
Hmmmmmm.
Maybe you should send Joe Biden an email stating your position.

[Strange Brew]

Trump's lawyer, McConnell and McCarthy:
"Yet, the question before us is not whether there was a violent insurrection of the Capitol. On that point everyone agrees."

Always a problem with the facts here.

“It was a violent insurrection for the purpose of trying to prevent the peaceful transfer of power after a legitimately certified election from one administration to the next", McConnell said.

Asked Wednesday about Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s (R-Ky.) description of the riot as a “violent insurrection,” McCarthy said he agreed.

“No one would disagree with that,” McCarthy told reporters.

Your Llibertarians:

“This is not patriotism. This is not protesting. This is reprehensible violence and aggression and needs to stop now. We hope safety for all those who work in the Capitol.”

Yes, we agree. You and those you mentioned have problems with “facts”.

[xuphan]

I have zero idea what you mean?
Biden is silent. Bad things are happening. Can we now not post truth?
Just reporting the facts. Sorry you don’t like them.
I suppose you think it’s OK to demonstrate in front of Judges houses to pressure them to rule one way while ignoring the US Constitution and to intimidate Catholic Church worshippers who have no reason to be harrassed for practicing their faith? If this happened to Muslims, the mainstream media would be outraged. Now just crickets.
Hmmmmmm.
Maybe you should send Joe Biden an email stating your position.

You said that Biden is the weakest president ever because he did not condemn protests on Abortion. I am not a Biden fan by any means (hopefully 1 and done as president) but how is he any weaker than Trump who didn’t condemn Jan 6th? This is why I said the pot calling the kettle black. Both parties are at fault but people seem to take sides instead of calling them both out. I think it is OK to peaceful protest as granted by the first amendment. If protest such as BLM or Jan 6th go beyond the rights of the first amendment, they should be condemned and justice should be served to all the individuals who broke the laws. Both parties are guilty of this but none of them face any sort of scrutiny. Why? Because they can hide behind their base of extreme right and left wing supporters including Fox, CNN, etc who will justify this behavior by blaming the other side.

[Masterofreality]

You said that Biden is the weakest president ever because he did not condemn protests on Abortion. I am not a Biden fan by any means (hopefully 1 and done as president) but how is he any weaker than Trump who didn’t condemn Jan 6th? This is why I said the pot calling the kettle black. Both parties are at fault but people seem to take sides instead of calling them both out. I think it is OK to peaceful protest as granted by the first amendment. If protest such as BLM or Jan 6th go beyond the rights of the first amendment, they should be condemned and justice should be served to all the individuals who broke the laws. Both parties are guilty of this but none of them face any sort of scrutiny. Why? Because they can hide behind their base of extreme right and left wing supporters including Fox, CNN, etc who will justify this behavior by blaming the other side.

Trump strongly condemned the BLM riots, possibly to his political detriment. Trump also strongly attempted to closed the border from illegal immigration. Trump strongly came out as pro life in his administration. Trump never encouraged people to break down barricades on January 6 but urged peaceful protest. The January 6 Commission is another witch hunt as was the Russian Collusion one was- by the same Adam Schifty people.
Biden is cowardly and weak on all of those points. He is a puppet who barely knows where he is and parrots whatever is on his teleprompter.
Or he believes that violent protests, mob rule and Supreme Court subversion is how the country should operate.
Supreme Court subversion is pretty Insurrectionny.

[XU_Lou]

Phan, Bobbie and Paul are killing me. The country is going to hell - fast, and you guys are freaking obsessed with J6? Give me a freaking break.

Inflation is raging, the stock market is tanking, the economy is on the precipice of recession (or worse), there are looming food shortages, the supply chain is not improving, there are already baby formula shortages, there are constant attacks on free speech, and the freaking idiots in the Whitehouse are hell bent on starting WWIII - and by all means, so that they can get their revenge on Putin because they still believe he helped get Trump elected.

Good God, freaking admit it, the idiot you guys voted for is a total and complete imbecile. Even Obama said so.

[xuphan]

Trump strongly condemned the BLM riots, possibly to his political detriment. Trump also strongly attempted to closed the border from illegal immigration. Trump strongly came out as pro life in his administration. Trump never encouraged people to break down barricades on January 6 but urged peaceful protest. The January 6 Commission is another witch hunt as was the Russian Collusion one was- by the same Adam Schifty people.
Biden is cowardly and weak on all of those points. He is a puppet who barely knows where he is and parrots whatever is on his teleprompter.
Or he believes that violent protests, mob rule and Supreme Court subversion is how the country should operate.
Supreme Court subversion is pretty Insurrectionny.

This is hilarious. Nobody is saying Joe Biden is a good president. Saying Joe Biden is a bad president doesnÂ’t mean Trump is a good president. The both suck buddy. ItÂ’s like rooting for either UC or Dayton. Both choices suck. Trump from his sex scandal, to his bankruptcies, to his business dealings, to Russia, to Jan 6th, wonÂ’t release his taxes, stop the steal etc is all just a witch hunt right? DidnÂ’t Trump support the Democratic Party at one time? I believe he was friends with the Clintons if I am not mistake. Hell, Trump even bashed John McCain who in my opinion was one of the best politicians in my lifetime and mocked his services even though Trump himself dodged the draft. Seems like a lot of smoke for their not to be a fire. Not sure the average American has that much smoke surrounding them. At some point when you are surrounded by smoke you got to ask yourself what is burning. You and Lou just donÂ’t seem to get that people are fed up with both parties. Yes I said it, both parties suck. America is going to hell because people like you from the extreme left and right support and defend these political idiots. They both suck dude. Stop being the downfall of this country.

[Masterofreality]

This is hilarious. Nobody is saying Joe Biden is a good president. Saying Joe Biden is a bad president doesnÂ’t mean Trump is a good president. The both suck buddy. ItÂ’s like rooting for either UC or Dayton. Both choices suck.

Trump: -No new wars started under his administration.
-Lowered taxes causing an economic boom.
-Low inflation
- The Abraham Accords
- Defeated ISIS
-Lowest minority unemployment in history
-Appointed qualified Followers of the Constitution to the Supreme Court and didn’t virtue signal.
- Russia and a “Ukrainian influence call” re Hunter Biden were a hoax.
- Policies caused a real wage increase after inflation.
-Made America energy independent.
- Shamed NATO countries into actually spending their fair share on defense. Which, by the way, is helping to stop Russian aggression.

That is a damn good four year record for a “bad president”. A helluva lot better than 8 years of Charlatan Obama and this ludicrous period of Potemkin Biden.
You are who is hilarious with your attempts to fence sit. I deal in Reality.