Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

I will resist the urge to click on that. :)

You shouldn't. It's pretty great. You should find some of their videos as well. I mean, unless you're scared of the TRUTH, brother.

[paulxu]

Apparently I having a robotic replica turkey next month. Hope there's room for the stuffing.

[noteggs]

I think that what ultimately drives the most discourse is that discourse seems to be becoming the main objective. It's all about trolling the other side, or sticking it to the other side. The actual policies don't matter. It's a turf war and the goal is to gain control of the turf and/or to deny the other side any control at all.

The Right calls out Fake News, and in a lot of cases they're right, and it's something that everyone should call out, but a huge faction of The Right also believes in Q, and that the election was stolen, and a bunch of other nonsense that is so fake that it's basically as fictitious as Lord of the Rings. They hate Fake News, but not the Fake News that works in their favor.

The Left is quick to call out what can accurately be described as an Insurrection at the Capitol, and they should. Everyone should. But they don't seem to see any problem with the violence that erupts at their own political protests. This, right here, is one of the many microcosms of the discourse that exists in our country. The Right supports the police!! But...not on January 6th. Not when the police are in THEIR way. The Left wants to Defund the Police!!! (which is stupid beyond description) but..not on January 6th. They wanted the cops on that day!

The Right fears socialism, but I guess they like it if it actually gives THEM something and their people are in charge. The first COVID stimulus checks were mailed out and approved under the Trump Administration. When push came to shove, all COVID testing and vaccines were free to the vast majority of people. The Left says The Right wants to take away their healthcare, but in the time of a pandemic the healthcare was there.

This is one of my favorite observations. I don't know how valid it is now, but I'll share it. You know how you can tell whether a person is liberal or conservative?? By how tidy their house is. Liberals are slobs. Conservatives are neat-freaks. Yet liberals care about the environment, and clean air, and healthy food, and safe farming, and conservatives don't seem to care that the Earth is quickly starting to resemble an elevator that someone farted in. That always seemed kind of backwards to me. But, the environment, and the climate is an issue. Industrial farming is an issue. It's an issue that effects all of us, but yet because (and really ONLY because) The Right looks at it as a "liberal issue," they always push back on it even though it's in their best interest not to. To bend on that would mean losing the turf war!! Even if you don't believe that pollution and the lax restrictions on industrial farming is bad for the climate, you have to at least admit that pollution causes pollution! Why can't the neat-freaks with tidy houses tell the rest of the slobs in America to clean up their freakin' mess!!?? We can't even agree that cleaner air, and healthier better food is a good thing!!

When Trump won in 2016, The Left couldn't handle it. They basically didn't. They basically accused the Russians of hacking in to the voting machines to sway the election toward Trump almost because they needed a coping mechanism. They didn't want to admit that the real reason they lost was because how much people in America thought they sucked. The Right was appalled at the response, and understandably so. They correctly pointed out that The Right had never acted that way before after an election, and insinuated in a way that was believable (at the time) that they never would. They would accept the results and move on. Well...in 2020, THAT OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T HAPPEN!!! Now The Left is calling out The Right for inventing a narrative rather than accepting the results, and they should. But, again, it's the double standard of each side throwing a fit and inventing a narrative when they don't win an election, and calling out the other side for not accepting the results when they do win an election.

The Right calls out The Left for Cancel Culture, and they should. Yet, Colin Kaepernick got cancelled. No one on The Right was too upset about that. They don't want people cancelled...except for the ones they do want cancelled. The Left criticizes The Right for this...yet they themselves won't stop cancelling people for stupid shit that usually doesn't matter and that oftentimes happened a long time ago. I'm highly concerned about the day that someone from The Left realizes that Willie Nelson played Uncle Jesse in The Dukes of Hazzard and demands that he be banished from society. Both sides are all for freedom of speech!! Unless, of course, it's something they don't want to hear.

Here is some advice that won't be followed...

TAKE IT DOWN A NOTCH!!! Realize that if the person who won the election is someone you didn't vote for that you're not shut out of the government, or the system, and that he or she still represents you. You didn't "lose" the turf war. You don't have to leave. Understand that while it looks like The Left and The Right are separated by a hundred miles, the wall that's separating them really isn't THAT tall or THAT deep. If for no other reason than a lot of the things that you think suck about the other side also suck about your own side. We all have to live together. No one is going anywhere. So, figure out out! Let's all grab some beers, and put the game on, and watch it together, and just chill the fuck out a little bit...

Yea definitely a fair assessment XUbrew and some good analogies. Ironically after your post, we spent the next two pages on which side has the most crazies. I won’t hesitate to say - both sides regardless what we decide to call them.

As for Kap, agree if you are talking about his right to peacefully protest. If that was the case, hats off to you because I really can’t think of another example. Sure there are more. Think he canceled himself by his play as MOR alluded to. The NFL went above and beyond to find him a spot.

Where I might slightly disagree is with the stimulus/spending. Yes Republicans can spend like drunken sailors too (have publicly denounce), but they don’t attempt to raise taxes from only specific income earners to hand to others.

Agree there will always be policy differences between the parties. With that said, my biggest beef with Biden to date has and continues to be with leaving Americans left behind in Afghanistan. Just heard the other day they’re still nearly 200 Americans who still want to leave, but are stranded. Administration told us it was only a hundred a few months ago and that’s with getting some home. This should still be a nightly story IMO. Yes plenty of negative Trump stories we can recycle, but why?

Finally, wish we could go back to the days when the press told us the news plain and simple vs what we should think while pushing their own narrative. Heck I heard on radio this morning from NBC news that the 3.5T spending bill is mostly partisan. So when Democrats have to negotiate with two moderate Democrats it suddenly becomes “mostly partisan?” Maybe I’ve complained about the press a time or two…ok think it’s more like 20. But they must think we’re complete idiots…ok they are probably right.

[Strange Brew]

You shouldn't. It's pretty great. You should find some of their videos as well. I mean, unless you're scared of the TRUTH, brother.

Dear God. That’s really, eye opening. Do they have any alternate universe, matrix glitch or Russiagate gear?

[XU_Lou]

Or you are a fucking moron who just glosses over the fact that I said I don’t side with much of what he says from a policy perspective. Lying lou who apparently wants to get on his knees and suck my dick due to his fatal attraction obsession with me strikes again.

Btw, your obsession with one side of the aisle or the other, and those polarized beliefs is your downfall and that is the part of yang’s stance I agree with. However, unless you are a complete idiot, you already knew that based on the context from which I posted, and you just decided to be a keyboard warrior prick because you can’t help yourself.

You are a representation of all that is wrong with our political system and our world right now—-great work

Okay, libby....

[Xville]

Were you guys all aware that birds aren't real?

https://birdsarentreal.com/

Ok that’s just one gigantic troll job right? That’s either hilarious or extremely sad lol

[Strange Brew]

Ok that’s just one gigantic troll job right? That’s either hilarious or extremely sad lol

The Truth is out there Ville….:)

[Strange Brew]

Hmmm, supply chain issues due to increased demand says the White House. Sounds like those demand siders were practicing a kind of economic Voodoo.

[Strange Brew]

For fun look up Haig-Simons. It’s popular in academia and left wing thinking. Then, ask yourself why you’ve never heard of it.

Bump. Told ya!

[X-man]

Ok that’s just one gigantic troll job right? That’s either hilarious or extremely sad lol

A friend of mine who lives in Jacksonville was headed to his favorite bench by the beach the other morning, but it's occupied by this older guy who had his motorcycle parked nearby. He's decked out in Trumpish regalia. My friend, a friendly sort and a retired Xavier faculty member, sits down at the other end of the bench and strikes up a conversation. It eventually turns to birds, specifically pigeons. The guy tells my friend that most of the pigeons they see have been outfitted by the government with cameras, which is why they move their heads around so oddly. The cameras are implanted to spy on us, he says. My friend asks him what evidence there is to back up his theory, and this guy says that the reason you never see any baby pigeons is because the government grabs them young and trains them to use the cameras placed behind their eyes. This guy was dead serious. My friend decided to end their conversation.

[Masterofreality]

Meanwhile, in things that matter I present to you our US Democrat Congress in action as they flail.
What a crap show. Nothing like trying to pass a bill that no one knows what’s in it or what taxes will “Pay(?)” for it.
Oh, that’s right. It’s free!
https://www.wsj.com/articles/fly-by-night-taxation-democrats-congress-tax-hikes-ron-wyden-joe-biden-11635371820?st=l5q7zvhrux79elh&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[GoMuskies]

Ok that’s just one gigantic troll job right?

I don't think it even rises to the level of troll job if you go in and read the history of the organizaton. I think it's just supposed to be funny. I saw a video of a "rally" and handing out pamphlets, and it was pretty great. I'm not surprised by X-Man's story, though. Some people have a hard time recognizing satire/humor from reality, and who can really blame them in 2021?

[STL_XUfan]

I don't think it even rises to the level of troll job if you go in and read the history of the organizaton. I think it's just supposed to be funny. I saw a video of a "rally" and handing out pamphlets, and it was pretty great. I'm not surprised by X-Man's story, though. Some people have a hard time recognizing satire/humor from reality, and who can really blame them in 2021?

Next you are going to tell me that the Arch Baron Cup isn't real.

[GoMuskies]

Oh, it's real. And it's SPECTACULAR!

[Strange Brew]

I don't think it even rises to the level of troll job if you go in and read the history of the organizaton. I think it's just supposed to be funny. I saw a video of a "rally" and handing out pamphlets, and it was pretty great. I'm not surprised by X-Man's story, though. Some people have a hard time recognizing satire/humor from reality, and who can really blame them in 2021?

Some people also have a hard time realizing when someone is f’ing with them. :)

[Strange Brew]

Oh, it's real. And it's SPECTACULAR!

Looked that one up and it’s interesting. If X ever plays them again the teams should play for the soiled Wallymelon.

[noteggs]

Hmmm, supply chain issues due to increased demand says the White House. Sounds like those demand siders were practicing a kind of economic Voodoo.

Well the Washington Post has a different take on the supply chain issues. They think we have been pampered and catered to for decades and we need lower our expectations. Now if they were talking about the Federal government, I could get on board with this since my expectations are already there…

[Strange Brew]

Well the Washington Post has a different take on the supply chain issues. They think we have been pampered and catered to for decades and we need lower our expectations. Now if they were talking about the Federal government, I could get on board with this since my expectations are already there…

It’s called Managed Decline and WaPo can sit on that noise.

[Masterofreality]

Can’t wait for the next election when Biden runs on the “Lower Your Expectations” slogan.

And watching the Democrats try to govern while they have control of the branches is high comedy. They are victims of their own lunacy. They can’t even blame “Republican Obstructionists”.

This is what you get when you try to foist “woke” iish on people. Idiocy in every direction.

[GoMuskies]

Is anyone else following this McAuliffe/Youngkin race in Virginia? Some Va Democrats staffers dressed up (poorly) as white supremacists with tiki torches and went to a Youngkin rally. Now they're deleting Twitter accounts and denying they had anything to do with it. The stupidity and hilarity of it all has made my Friday afternoon just so much better.

[bjf123]

Is anyone else following this McAuliffe/Youngkin race in Virginia? Some Va Democrats staffers dressed up (poorly) as white supremacists with tiki torches and went to a Youngkin rally. Now they're deleting Twitter accounts and denying they had anything to do with it. The stupidity and hilarity of it all has made my Friday afternoon just so much better.

Gotta love our political theater! If what you’re saying is accurate, anyone want to bet it gets zero reporting by the MSM? Probably will only be reported on Fox.


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[GoMuskies]

Let's just say that Jussie Smollett is trending on Twitter, but not because of anything he's done recently.

[Strange Brew]

Is anyone else following this McAuliffe/Youngkin race in Virginia? Some Va Democrats staffers dressed up (poorly) as white supremacists with tiki torches and went to a Youngkin rally. Now they're deleting Twitter accounts and denying they had anything to do with it. The stupidity and hilarity of it all has made my Friday afternoon just so much better.

Not surprised, they’re Democrats. They had the outfits already from Charlottesville and their Grandparents.

[Masterofreality]

Is anyone else following this McAuliffe/Youngkin race in Virginia? Some Va Democrats staffers dressed up (poorly) as white supremacists with tiki torches and went to a Youngkin rally. Now they're deleting Twitter accounts and denying they had anything to do with it. The stupidity and hilarity of it all has made my Friday afternoon just so much better.

I saw all that. The really hilarious thing is they had a black guy and a white pregnant woman dressed up as “white supremacists”. Immediately people familiar with them identified them as McAuliffe workers or VA Democratic staffers.
This whole McAuliffe campaign is a textbook way to lose an election.

[Muskie in dayton]

I saw all that. The really hilarious thing is they had a black guy and a white pregnant woman dressed up as “white supremacists”. Immediately people familiar with them identified them as McAuliffe workers or VA Democratic staffers.
This whole McAuliffe campaign is a textbook way to lose an election.
Just think… if they lied and fabricated for a State election, imagine what they would do to say, take down a President they hated more than anything.

[XU_Lou]

I saw all that. The really hilarious thing is they had a black guy and a white pregnant woman dressed up as “white supremacists”. Immediately people familiar with them identified them as McAuliffe workers or VA Democratic staffers.
This whole McAuliffe campaign is a textbook way to lose an election.

How stupid is McAuliffe and his staffers to somehow think they could pass a black guy off as a “white supremacist”? What the hell were they thinking? More importantly, how stupid are the Democrat voters who fall for crap like this all the time?

[XU_Lou]

Can Americans self-identify as illegal to get a $450K check from Dear Leader Biden?

I wonder what black Democrat voters are thinking about right now....

[Smails]

Is anyone else following this McAuliffe/Youngkin race in Virginia? Some Va Democrats staffers dressed up (poorly) as white supremacists with tiki torches and went to a Youngkin rally. Now they're deleting Twitter accounts and denying they had anything to do with it. The stupidity and hilarity of it all has made my Friday afternoon just so much better.

It's hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Turns out the whole stunt was orchestrated by the Lincoln Project...shocker. I think there were some pretty loud supporters of the Lincoln Project on this board for a while. My guess that we won't be hearing much from them..

[Strange Brew]

Posting this since some of you think falsely that the Feds give you the right to vote.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/10/29/congress_cant_regulate_voting_in_presidential_elec tions_146661.html

[Masterofreality]

It's hilarious and pathetic at the same time. Turns out the whole stunt was orchestrated by the Lincoln Project...shocker. I think there were some pretty loud supporters of the Lincoln Project on this board for a while. My guess that we won't be hearing much from them..

The Lincoln Project is a bunch of grifters off of the Dem Party Resistance. Guys like Rick Wilson and Steve Schmidt made millions in contributions from Dems in their grift and paid off tax liens and bought expensive properties. All of the Democratic candidates that they backed in 2020 lost, and the same thing happened when they were “Republican Strategists”.
And let’s not forget that a sexual harassing pedophile to young boys-John Weaver- was one of the founders and main guys until his scandal.
No. Not high quality individuals.

[paulxu]

Today's fun:


April: Donald Trump has urged his followers to completely boycott baseball as he admitted he “doesn’t know what the hell he’s watching.”


Today: "Looking forward to being at the World Series in Atlanta tonight," Trump said in a statement Saturday, adding that he and former first lady Melania "are looking forward to a wonderful evening watching two great teams!"

Suckers.

[Masterofreality]

Why?
Because MLB were “suckers” by taking the All Star Game out of Atlanta that hurt numerous Minority owned businesses?
Then they realized their stupidity and didn’t move the World Series?
Looks like Trump was right and you were wrong again Paul. But that’s not unusual.

[paulxu]

I "urge" my followers to boycott MLB.
(psst...that doesn't apply to me. I can still go.)

It's like his faux support of the military...while in private he calls them suckers and losers.

[Strange Brew]

I "urge" my followers to boycott MLB.
(psst...that doesn't apply to me. I can still go.)

It's like his faux support of the military...while in private he calls them suckers and losers.

He evolved…..

At least he wasn’t checking his watch at their funerals.

[XU_Lou]

I "urge" my followers to boycott MLB.
(psst...that doesn't apply to me. I can still go.)

It's like his faux support of the military...while in private he calls them suckers and losers.

Nice attempt to deflect....we're not fooled...

[Muskie in dayton]

Today's fun:




Suckers.
So tell me Paul. Is Donald Trump in the room with us right now?

[Smails]

Today's fun:





Suckers.

LOL...he's like crack to you. You always focus on 'mean words' and pay no attention to action and result. How very millennial of you. As a Biden supporter, you probably don't want to be discussing military support considering our President's first major policy decision resulted in the murder of 13 US service members. Can't wait to see what decision #2 has in store for us!

[Masterofreality]

I "urge" my followers to boycott MLB.
(psst...that doesn't apply to me. I can still go.)

It's like his faux support of the military...while in private he calls them suckers and losers.

A debunked story that was written by Goldberg in The Atlantic. And Goldberg promised that he had follow-up with receipts that would prove his story.
Huh. Goldberg never came forward with those receipts and the story was debunked by John Bolton, no fan of Trump, who was actually in the room.
Zero corroboration and credible debunking.
Paul seek help for your TDS. It truly is rotting your brain, along with your Democrat friends who tried to pull one of the most stupid stunts ever in a campaign in Virginia. And don’t give me that Lincoln Project crap excuse. At least 2 of those people were McAulliffe operatives.
I repeat. SEEK HELP!

[paulxu]

Bolton told the New York Times, “I’m not saying he didn’t say [the remarks] later in the day or another time.”

Let me find Dr. Bone Spurs for help.

[Masterofreality]

Let me find Dr. Bone Spurs for help.

Paul give it up and go pass out some Halloween candy. It was a fake story and author Goldberg never delivered the promised back up. No one else confirmed it. Gawd forbid someone publishes a made up story on Biden. Your outrage would be off the hook.

[noteggs]

Think it’s about time to discuss what is currently happening in America today? Of course people can virtually post whatever the want.

We have:

- a shipping crisis
- empty shelves
- border crisis
- employment shortage
- inflation
- Americans stranded overseas
- high gas prices
- soaring crime rates
- a socialist reconciliation bill on the floor (not infrastructure)

Yet we are still talking about what Trump may or may not have said from an anonymous source? Better yet, why are we still discussing Trump at all? Good grief…

[Masterofreality]

Think it’s about time to discuss what is currently happening in America today? Of course people can virtually post whatever the want.

We have:

- a shipping crisis
- empty shelves
- border crisis
- employment shortage
- inflation
- Americans stranded overseas
- high gas prices
- soaring crime rates
- a socialist reconciliation bill on the floor (not infrastructure)

Yet we are still talking about what Trump may or may not have said from an anonymous source? Better yet, why are we still discussing Trump at all? Good grief…

*Some* people on here can’t get out of their Syndrome.
Sad

[Muskie in dayton]

Think it’s about time to discuss what is currently happening in America today? Of course people can virtually post whatever the want.

We have:

- a shipping crisis
- empty shelves
- border crisis
- employment shortage
- inflation
- Americans stranded overseas
- high gas prices
- soaring crime rates
- a socialist reconciliation bill on the floor (not infrastructure)

Yet we are still talking about what Trump may or may not have said from an anonymous source? Better yet, why are we still discussing Trump at all? Good grief…
If you read the first part of your post, you will answer your own question.

[Smails]

Think it’s about time to discuss what is currently happening in America today? Of course people can virtually post whatever the want.

We have:

- a shipping crisis
- empty shelves
- border crisis
- employment shortage
- inflation
- Americans stranded overseas
- high gas prices
- soaring crime rates
- a socialist reconciliation bill on the floor (not infrastructure)

Yet we are still talking about what Trump may or may not have said from an anonymous source? Better yet, why are we still discussing Trump at all? Good grief…

Dude..If you were a Democrat would you want to be talking about any of the things above? It's mush easier to back to 'orange man bad' than have real conversations about the issues facing out nation today.

[xubrew]

When Trump said to boycott baseball (if he said it) I didn't care.

When Trump said he was excited about going to the World Series, I didn't care.

My biggest (and pretty much only) issue with Trump is while he held public office (the highest public office in the world), he had total disregard for checks and balances, and total contempt for our institutions. That's really it. It actually kind of bothers me that this didn't bother EVERYONE!!! It really should have! The fact that it didn't, and perhaps the reasons it didn't, is a sign that the country is kind of fucked. That should be a total disqualifier from ever being in public office again.

The thing is that The Right doesn't need Trump to win. Had Trump been removed from office or had he not run for reelection, a Republican would probably be the president right now, and they'd probably also have control of the House and Senate. So...why nominate him again??

I think I know the answer...

It wasn't just about winning the election. It's about liking and electing the guy that attacks The Left the most. People will just overlook Trump's disregard for the country's checks and balances and institutions just so long as he's someone that The Left really hates, and someone that repeatedly attacks and insults the other side. If that's the case, and with a lot of people I think that it is, then that's a HUGE problem. Hell, that's a full blown crisis.

I've said this before. I don't particularly like Mike Pence, but given the choice between him, Trump, or Biden, I'd have voted for Pence all day long. He would have probably won. Anyone other than Trump would have probably won. Trump DIDN'T win, and Trump SHOULD NEVER win again! You don't want that kind of disregard to become the norm.

Now what we really need is someone that can clean up all this shit.

[Strange Brew]

When Trump said to boycott baseball (if he said it) I didn't care.

When Trump said he was excited about going to the World Series, I didn't care.

My biggest (and pretty much only) issue with Trump is while he held public office (the highest public office in the world), he had total disregard for checks and balances, and total contempt for our institutions. That's really it. It actually kind of bothers me that this didn't bother EVERYONE!!! It really should have! The fact that it didn't, and perhaps the reasons it didn't, is a sign that the country is kind of fucked. That should be a total disqualifier from ever being in public office again.

The thing is that The Right doesn't need Trump to win. Had Trump been removed from office or had he not run for reelection, a Republican would probably be the president right now, and they'd probably also have control of the House and Senate. So...why nominate him again??

I think I know the answer...

It wasn't just about winning the election. It's about liking and electing the guy that attacks The Left the most. People will just overlook Trump's disregard for the country's checks and balances and institutions just so long as he's someone that The Left really hates, and someone that repeatedly attacks and insults the other side. If that's the case, and with a lot of people I think that it is, then that's a HUGE problem. Hell, that's a full blown crisis.

I've said this before. I don't particularly like Mike Pence, but given the choice between him, Trump, or Biden, I'd have voted for Pence all day long. He would have probably won. Anyone other than Trump would have probably won. Trump DIDN'T win, and Trump SHOULD NEVER win again! You don't want that kind of disregard to become the norm.

Now what we really need is someone that can clean up all this shit.

What specific C&Bs did he disregard?

[UCGRAD4X]

When Trump said to boycott baseball (if he said it) I didn't care.

When Trump said he was excited about going to the World Series, I didn't care.

My biggest (and pretty much only) issue with Trump is while he held public office (the highest public office in the world), he had total disregard for checks and balances, and total contempt for our institutions. That's really it. It actually kind of bothers me that this didn't bother EVERYONE!!! It really should have! The fact that it didn't, and perhaps the reasons it didn't, is a sign that the country is kind of fucked. That should be a total disqualifier from ever being in public office again.

The thing is that The Right doesn't need Trump to win. Had Trump been removed from office or had he not run for reelection, a Republican would probably be the president right now, and they'd probably also have control of the House and Senate. So...why nominate him again??

I think I know the answer...

It wasn't just about winning the election. It's about liking and electing the guy that attacks The Left the most. People will just overlook Trump's disregard for the country's checks and balances and institutions just so long as he's someone that The Left really hates, and someone that repeatedly attacks and insults the other side. If that's the case, and with a lot of people I think that it is, then that's a HUGE problem. Hell, that's a full blown crisis.

I've said this before. I don't particularly like Mike Pence, but given the choice between him, Trump, or Biden, I'd have voted for Pence all day long. He would have probably won. Anyone other than Trump would have probably won. Trump DIDN'T win, and Trump SHOULD NEVER win again! You don't want that kind of disregard to become the norm.

Now what we really need is someone that can clean up all this shit.

That sound you just heard was MOR's chain breaking.

[Masterofreality]

That sound you just heard was MOR's chain breaking.

What? I didn’t vote for Trump either time. I voted Libertarian but the policies under Trump were correct and still are. I’d vote for DeSantis though.
Biden is a disaster and has been since day one, and Harris is an abject waste of space. The Democrats have gone over the edge in irresponsibility.

[xubrew]

What? I didn’t vote for Trump either time. I voted Libertarian but the policies under Trump were correct and still are. I’d vote for DeSantis though.
Biden is a disaster and has been since day one, and Harris is an abject waste of space. The Democrats have gone over the edge in irresponsibility.

I don't particularly like DeSantis, but I'd probably vote for him as well.

[Masterofreality]

Think it’s about time to discuss what is currently happening in America today? Of course people can virtually post whatever the want.

We have:

- a shipping crisis
- empty shelves
- border crisis
- employment shortage
- inflation
- Americans stranded overseas
- high gas prices
- soaring crime rates
- a socialist reconciliation bill on the floor (not infrastructure)

Yet we are still talking about what Trump may or may not have said from an anonymous source? Better yet, why are we still discussing Trump at all? Good grief…

I’m sure UCGrad4X just feels like ignoring the above and this current Dumpster Fire.
Clutching your pearls yet?

[GoMuskies]

Does this Rittenhouse case even make it to the jury, or does the judge take it out of their hands early? Sad that this is a political topic, but it is.

[UCGRAD4X]

I’m sure UCGrad4X just feels like ignoring the above and this current Dumpster Fire.
Clutching your pearls yet?

Actually I was just waiting for you to respond to the total disregard for checks and balances, and total contempt for our institutions statement. The things you listed, which are serious issues to be sure, but do not specifically fall under this category. I am sure you can come up with another list that does.

No pearl clutching here, just an interested bystander.

I will hang up now and listen to your response off the air.

[Strange Brew]

Actually I was just waiting for you to respond to the total disregard for checks and balances, and total contempt for our institutions statement. The things you listed, which are serious issues to be sure, but do not specifically fall under this category. I am sure you can come up with another list that does.

No pearl clutching here, just an interested bystander.

I will hang up now and listen to your response off the air.

What C&Bs did the former disregard. As far as institutions, we’ll they’ve had contempt for the citizens for decades.

[noteggs]

Clutching your pearls yet?

Yes consider them clutched! Glad someone gets me.

Will attempt to spur on conversation with one of the topics. Notice reconciliation bill is being reduced to 1.75T from 3.5T. Must have cut 50% of the give aways right? Nope they just reduced the number of years people will get free stuff.

Obviously in reality the bill will quickly go up to 3.5-5T years later because when time runs out, they will extend the programs. No politician wants to be that guy/gal to take away free stuff. Can you imagine the political ads if they did?

[Masterofreality]

Actually I was just waiting for you to respond to the total disregard for checks and balances, and total contempt for our institutions statement. The things you listed, which are serious issues to be sure, but do not specifically fall under this category. I am sure you can come up with another list that .

Total regard for checks and balances, huh? Kinda like Adam Schiff and his ludicrous impeachment attempts over Ukraine? When actually it was Biden as VP trying to influence another country to not investigate his corrupted crack addicted son? Like Hilary Clinton continually saying that the former was not a “Legitimate President”? As to “institutions” Like leftists storming elected officials’ offices, like in the building to try to pressure them not to vote to approve a Supreme Court nominee as well as putting an uncorroborated “victim” in front of the Senate. A “victim” that never produced anything that would make her delusional story believable?

Please, as Strange Brew said above, let go of your pearls and detail the C & B’s that were disregarded? Not the narratives that the media tried to create, but factual checks and balances.

I’m glad I’m in your head so much that you are “waiting for my response”. I’m sure you’ll “Pounce”. Have fun with that. How about at the same time, pouncing on an answer for the current President being awful.

[GoMuskies]

A bit of a massacre tonight for the left.

[XU_Lou]

A mere breaker Dems.... The tsunami's coming!



Lets Go Brandon!!

[Strange Brew]

A mere breaker Dems.... The tsunami's coming!



Lets Go Brandon!!

Turnout already higher than expected……..

[Xville]

Gee who saw this coming? Anyone with any sense of history I guess. Next November is going to be a complete bloodbath and Republicans will take both the senate and the house, and there will be a Republican president in 24.

Hopefully stupid ideological bs like crt are dead and gone.

[Masterofreality]

Ha ha ha ha!!
Blue Virginia votes solid Red across the Board, Governor, Lt. Governor Woman of Color and a Hispanic Attorney General- ALL Republican.
The left, try as they might, can’t scream racism over this one. Just wait until 2022. The voters see what a pile of steaming trash the Democrat Platform is now and what charlatans run it. Hell, New Jersey might go Red. It’s tied as I type this.

Goes to show you. Nobody cares about January 6, where a bunch of people stupidly entered the Capitol, without guns and got arrested-almost all resulting in misdemeanor charges. Nobody cares about this stupid Build Back BS. Nobody cares about the Pearl clutching over a fake climate crisis. No one wants to defund police.
What they care about is inflation, school curriculum, available domestic energy, a competent military, public safety, getting Christmas gifts on time and competent leadership.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it IlLiberals.

[GoMuskies]

can’t scream racism over this one

Hey, I follow you on Twitter, so I know you're on there. If you're on Twitter, you should know that isn't true.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, I follow you on Twitter, so I know you're on there. If you're on Twitter, you should know that isn't true.

Ha! Not from me, but yeah. MSNBC and CNN ain’t afraid to double down. Interesting that two of the biggest racist screaming networks could bother to carry the acceptance speech by Winsome Sears, the new Lt. Governor of Virginia. Maybe point that finger back at yourself???
Also, Thought it was hilarious that those wise Lincoln Project grifters tried to channel Charlottesville at a Younkin rally by installing Dem operatives carrying Tiki Torches that implied……….
High Comedy

[Xuperman]

Certainly no huge revelation, but to me, the MOST sickening thing about politics in this country today, is the absolute blatant liberal operatives in Main Stream/Social media. These are massively influential Democrat/progressive operatives that don't even try to be anywhere close to balanced. In fact, it is just a flat out joke at this point and a textbook Marxist tactic.

Prime example this morning....had me rollin'.

One of the most impactful Gubernatorial races in recent memory and YAHOO "NEWS" doesn't mention the results anywhere I could see.....couldn't stomach to scroll down far enough to see if it was there at all. This is HIGH COMEDY! They could be the most toxic source for all things political and for social issues. Sadly these twisted propaganda machines are able to exist because among the "moderate" Dems still out there, there is ZERO willingness to push back on this crap!

[xubrew]

Certainly no huge revelation, but to me, the MOST sickening thing about politics in this country today, is the absolute blatant liberal operatives in Main Stream/Social media. These are massively influential Democrat/progressive operatives that don't even try to be anywhere close to balanced. In fact, it is just a flat out joke at this point and a textbook Marxist tactic.

Prime example this morning....had me rollin'.

One of the most impactful Gubernatorial races in recent memory and YAHOO "NEWS" doesn't mention the results anywhere I could see.....couldn't stomach to scroll down far enough to see if it was there at all. This is HIGH COMEDY! They could be the most toxic source for all things political and for social issues. Sadly these twisted propaganda machines are able to exist because among the "moderate" Dems still out there, there is ZERO willingness to push back on this crap!

My take on this is slightly different, although perhaps only slightly.

The companies that produce all of the mainstream news are entertainment companies. NBC is owned by Universal, CBS is owned by Paramount (which I think is owned by Viacom), Fox is owned by the Fox Entertainment Group, ABC is owned by Disney, and CNN is owned by Turner. They produce the news the way the produce their entertainment, and I believe their primary goal is to engage people and not necessarily to inform them. The two most effective ways to engage people is to frighten them, or to make them mad. I don't think it's a political agenda so much as it is wanting to engage, and sustain, and grow their audience.

I think they're all pretty much the same. Fox, and Newsmax (I do enjoy some of their documentaries), and OAN (who is independent, but still has the same motives as the entertainment groups) are really the same as the liberal media in my eyes. They are doing the same thing. They are engaging their audience the most effective way they know how, and that's NOT by having informing their audience as their primary goal.

And...sadly...I think it works! Everyone is pissed off! That means everyone is engaged! They'll keep watching. All day long. It's almost like they can't help themselves. I've been trying like hell for the past year or so to get my parents to turn the fucking TV off and stop watching five hours of "news" every day. It's bad for their mood and bad for the psyche. It actually starts to make sense as to how some of these extremist groups are able to radicalize their members. If you scare them and make them mad for several hours a day for weeks and months at a time, you'll convert them!

And to your original point, they also don't want to put anything out there that will make their audience abandon them.

[XU_Lou]

From Axios:

"The Federal Election Commission has ruled foreign donors can finance U.S. referendum campaigns, opening the door to foreign spending on fights over high-profile policy issues, Axios has learned.

Why it matters: Foreign nationals are barred from donating to U.S. political candidates or committees. But the FEC’s decision — allowing them to support ballot committees — provides another avenue for foreigners to directly influence U.S. voters and domestic policy."

This is quite amazing on so many levels. So does this mean that Dems won't be able to bitch about Russians helping Trump in 2024?

I guess the calculus is that the Dems think that China will be able to supply them with far more money than the Russians can provide Trump (assuming, of course, anyone believes that was ever real).

[Masterofreality]

From the NY Times.

“Colorado is so overwhelmed with coronavirus cases that hospitals are now allowed to turn away new patients.”

Congratulations Bobbie! You’re doing great!!

[xubrew]

From the NY Times.

“Colorado is so overwhelmed with coronavirus cases that hospitals are now allowed to turn away new patients.”

Congratulations Bobbie! You’re doing great!!

Once the vaccine was readily available, meaning that everyone who wanted it could get it for free at virtually every pharmacy in America, I wouldn't have minded had this been the policy all across the land. No one has to get the vaccine, but if they get sick then the hospitals can turn them away and make way for other patients who need to be treated for ailments that were not entirely avoidable.

[XU_Lou]

Once the vaccine was readily available, meaning that everyone who wanted it could get it for free at virtually every pharmacy in America, I wouldn't have minded had this been the policy all across the land. No one has to get the vaccine, but if they get sick then the hospitals can turn them away and make way for other patients who need to be treated for ailments that were not entirely avoidable.

Maybe the hospitals are being overrun by vaccinated people who are now coming down with heart ailments.... Should we turn those people away from receiving treatment for others, like maybe; drug overdoses, drunk and reckless drivers, or how about AIDS?

[paulxu]

Maybe the hospitals are being overrun by vaccinated people who are now coming down with heart ailments...

And maybe not...


Most hospitalized Covid patients are unvaccinated.
At UCHealth, one of the state’s biggest health systems, 76 percent of patients hospitalized with Covid-19 are unvaccinated, and over 86 percent of Covid-19 patients who are in need of a ventilator and are in intensive care are unvaccinated

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/03/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine#colorado-hospitals

[XU_Lou]

And maybe not...

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/11/03/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine#colorado-hospitals

Then again, maybe so: https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/11/ers-are-overrun-with-people-suffering-from-sudden-cardiac-arrest

Also, you need to ask the question: how many unvaxxed people are being admitted to the hospital because of Covid, versus how many went into the hospital for something unrelated and then tested positive for Covid?

[boozehound]

And...sadly...I think it works! Everyone is pissed off! That means everyone is engaged! They'll keep watching. All day long. It's almost like they can't help themselves. I've been trying like hell for the past year or so to get my parents to turn the fucking TV off and stop watching five hours of "news" every day. It's bad for their mood and bad for the psyche. It actually starts to make sense as to how some of these extremist groups are able to radicalize their members. If you scare them and make them mad for several hours a day for weeks and months at a time, you'll convert them!

And to your original point, they also don't want to put anything out there that will make their audience abandon them.

I think this whole post is pretty much right on, but I'm highlighting this part in particular. Anger and fear drive much more engagement than any political issues, other than maybe taxes. I think that the results of the 2020 election juxtaposed against the elections yesterday shows that nicely. Trump was a phenomenal anger and fear machine for the Democrats in the 2020 elections. They still underperformed in the House, but it got them the Presidency and the Senate. Without Trump they have nothing to rile people up about.

Republicans are plenty riled up though. Look at the whole CRT thing: Republicans are ripshit pissed about it, but I haven't seen much evidence that it's been taught below a College level. Still, it's become a rallying cry for many, when I tend to think it should barely rank on the stage of issues facing our country right now.

I think that one thing the VA and NY gubernatorial races highlighted that I hope Republicans take heed of, is that Trump winning the nomination again in 2024 is probably the worst thing that could happen to them. He still might beat Biden, but right now Trump seems like about the only person Biden could beat. The caveat to that (of course) is that it's early in Biden's term, but after they almost certainly lose the House and Senate next year it's hard to see things getting better for Ol' Joe from here. Still - Trump rearing his head in 2024 is going to re-instill a sense of purpose in a lot of currently listless Democrats, especially many of the moderate ones that broke for Youngkin in Virginia.

[Strange Brew]

I think this whole post is pretty much right on, but I'm highlighting this part in particular. Anger and fear drive much more engagement than any political issues, other than maybe taxes. I think that the results of the 2020 election juxtaposed against the elections yesterday shows that nicely. Trump was a phenomenal anger and fear machine for the Democrats in the 2020 elections. They still underperformed in the House, but it got them the Presidency and the Senate. Without Trump they have nothing to rile people up about.

Republicans are plenty riled up though. Look at the whole CRT thing: Republicans are ripshit pissed about it, but I haven't seen much evidence that it's been taught below a College level. Still, it's become a rallying cry for many, when I tend to think it should barely rank on the stage of issues facing our country right now.

I think that one thing the VA and NY gubernatorial races highlighted that I hope Republicans take heed of, is that Trump winning the nomination again in 2024 is probably the worst thing that could happen to them. He still might beat Biden, but right now Trump seems like about the only person Biden could beat. The caveat to that (of course) is that it's early in Biden's term, but after they almost certainly lose the House and Senate next year it's hard to see things getting better for Ol' Joe from here. Still - Trump rearing his head in 2024 is going to re-instill a sense of purpose in a lot of currently listless Democrats, especially many of the moderate ones that broke for Youngkin in Virginia.

If you think CRT is the only thing being taught that has parents ticked you’re not paying attention.

[Muskie in dayton]

…listless Democrats.
You could have said it all in two words.

The Dems need to double down on COVID restrictions and keeping parents out of
the classroom. It’s a winning strategy for sure.

[X-man]

If you think CRT is the only thing being taught that has parents ticked you’re not paying attention.

What else? Science?

[xubrew]

Then again, maybe so: https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/11/ers-are-overrun-with-people-suffering-from-sudden-cardiac-arrest

Also, you need to ask the question: how many unvaxxed people are being admitted to the hospital because of Covid, versus how many went into the hospital for something unrelated and then tested positive for Covid?

Lou, when I first opened this link there was a banner on top with the headline "Woman Poops Out Pounds of Pure Body Fat, Doctors Speechless!" I screenshot it because I thought it was so hilarious that you would mistake what was obviously (or so it seemed) a parody website for an actual legit news website.

After digging a little deeper, that site actually is trying pretend to be legit.

But here's the thing...

IT ISN'T!!!

That site is TOTALLY full of shit! The banner for the story of the woman shitting out pounds of her own body fat is quite appropriate. It's fake news to an entirely new level! I really wish I could upload the pic, but it's not letting me.

[Strange Brew]

What else? Science?

Sure Boomer, thank you for your contribution. Sorry we woke you from your nap.

[XU_Lou]

Lou, when I first opened this link there was a banner on top with the headline "Woman Poops Out Pounds of Pure Body Fat, Doctors Speechless!" I screenshot it because I thought it was so hilarious that you would mistake what was obviously (or so it seemed) a parody website for an actual legit news website.

After digging a little deeper, that site actually is trying pretend to be legit.

But here's the thing...

IT ISN'T!!!

That site is TOTALLY full of shit! The banner for the story of the woman shitting out pounds of her own body fat is quite appropriate. It's fake news to an entirely new level! I really wish I could upload the pic, but it's not letting me.

And you believe the NYT, CNN and MSNBC?

BTW, internet ads are targeted towards the end user based on their online profiles, searches and previous sites they visited. I didn't see that ad yesterday or this morning, so it must be something in your profile that triggered that ad....

Finally, if you think that is the only website reporting on heart issues for vaxxed people you're sadly mistaken. Do a little research of your own.

[X-man]

Sure Boomer, thank you for your contribution. Sorry we woke you from your nap.

Not napping. I read this board daily, but choose not to waste my time responding because everyone who posts here is so entrenched in their views that they resort to insulting anyone who dares disagree with them (e.g. you). I thought that I would inject a little humor with my post, forgetting that posters like you apparently have no sense of humor. How very sad.

[xubrew]

And you believe the NYT, CNN and MSNBC?

BTW, internet ads are targeted towards the end user based on their online profiles, searches and previous sites they visited. I didn't see that ad yesterday or this morning, so it must be something in your profile that triggered that ad....

Finally, if you think that is the only website reporting on heart issues for vaxxed people you're sadly mistaken. Do a little research of your own.

Yeah, I know what banners are and what you're talking about, which are the targeted ads. I can safely say that while on my work computer I'm not surfing to find stories about women who took massive dumps. I've never seen anything like that before until going to that particular site. Then again, I do feel at times that I have to do a lot of bullshit work, but that's bullshit, not human body fat shit.

As far as believing NYT, CNN, and MSNBC...Nice red herring!! And, what are you trying to say by bringing them into the conversation?? That they're full of crap, so that makes the site you linked okay??

Since you asked, scroll up to one of my earlier posts. I blasted pretty much all of the major news outlets, so no I don't think everything they say is true, and I certainly don't think everything they methodically insinuate is true. But...I suppose they're at least somewhat methodical. The site you linked was just pure full blown nonsense right out of the gate.

[Strange Brew]

Not napping. I read this board daily, but choose not to waste my time responding because everyone who posts here is so entrenched in their views that they resort to insulting anyone who dares disagree with them (e.g. you). I thought that I would inject a little humor with my post, forgetting that posters like you apparently have no sense of humor. How very sad.

I miss my X-Man (eyes blur). You. Complete. Me. (single tear).

[XU_Lou]

Well, here we go again, the fucking lying Democrats are going to cheat and steal ANOTHER election: https://100percentfedup.com/here-we-go-democrat-nj-senate-president-refuses-to-concede-to-republican-truck-driver-who-unseated-him-claims-12000-ballots-were-recently-found/

[XU_Lou]

In related news - video proof of more lying, cheating Democrat scum stealing ANOTHER election:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3trHfFKABI

[paulxu]

Curious...how do you know this guy is a Democrat?

https://nj1015.com/misleading-project-veritas-video-wrongly-claims-illegal-voting-in-nj/

His ballot won't count if he files the provisional and they can't find him registered.
He might be identified from the video and be subject to criminal penalty for trying to vote illegally. (Not real bright)
Or, as in most of the rare, proven cases of voter fraud, be a Republican.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-government-and-politics-d34effeea6c341d6c44146931127caff

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/voter-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/

[XU_Lou]

Curious...how do you know this guy is a Democrat?

https://nj1015.com/misleading-project-veritas-video-wrongly-claims-illegal-voting-in-nj/

His ballot won't count if he files the provisional and they can't find him registered.
He might be identified from the video and be subject to criminal penalty for trying to vote illegally. (Not real bright)
Or, as in most of the rare, proven cases of voter fraud, be a Republican.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-government-and-politics-d34effeea6c341d6c44146931127caff

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/voter-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/

Sure, and Russian collusion and unicorns....

[Strange Brew]

Curious...how do you know this guy is a Democrat?

https://nj1015.com/misleading-project-veritas-video-wrongly-claims-illegal-voting-in-nj/

His ballot won't count if he files the provisional and they can't find him registered.
He might be identified from the video and be subject to criminal penalty for trying to vote illegally. (Not real bright)
Or, as in most of the rare, proven cases of voter fraud, be a Republican.

https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-government-and-politics-d34effeea6c341d6c44146931127caff

https://www.azmirror.com/2021/07/13/voter-fraud-scottsdale-woman-indicted-for-casting-dead-mothers-ballot/

So you don’t sound so simp.
https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/voter-fraud-leads-removal-alabama-mayor

[paulxu]

Good for them to catch someone cheating at voting. They should be caught and held accountable...whatever their party affiliation.
The Heritage Foundation's project on tracking these cases shows 1,334 cases going back at least until 1983.

Since that time there have been 1,165,000,000 presidential votes cast.
Assuming at least that many in off year elections for all state and local governments, that's over 2 billion votes in the US.
If there have been 1,334 cases of election fraud ballots per their records. I would think that is very rare.
.000000059%
That's far, far less than one ballot for every election ever held in those years.

Important that we stop them all, but I think that's a fairly good track record.

[Strange Brew]

Good for them to catch someone cheating at voting. They should be caught and held accountable...whatever their party affiliation.
The Heritage Foundation's project on tracking these cases shows 1,334 cases going back at least until 1983.

Since that time there have been 1,165,000,000 presidential votes cast.
Assuming at least that many in off year elections for all state and local governments, that's over 2 billion votes in the US.
If there have been 1,334 cases of election fraud ballots per their records. I would think that is very rare.
.000000059%
That's far, far less than one ballot for every election ever held in those years.

Important that we stop them all, but I think that's a fairly good track record.

The point Paul was it’s not likely or only Republicans. Sometimes it’s D politicians who have been convicted.

[bobbiemcgee]

7 million votes? Were there 7 million fraudulent votes? 60% of republicans think so.

[Strange Brew]

7 million votes? Were there 7 million fraudulent votes? 60% of republicans think so.

Anyone here say that?

You’re undefeated against your straw men….

[XU_Lou]

Anyone here say that?

You’re undefeated against your straw men….

Its the "Rocky Mountain High"

[Strange Brew]

Its the "Rocky Mountain High"

And the worst/dumbest part is it doesn't take 7MM votes. Because of the EC.

[bobbiemcgee]

So 74 EC votes stolen? haha. Better check with Pence.

[bobbiemcgee]

Anyone here say that?

yeah, 60% of republicans

[Strange Brew]

yeah, 60% of republicans

Soooooo, no one here.

[XU_Lou]

Privilege Scrub?? Good God, Nancy can't be more than a few weeks away from smelling children's hair!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cx6TlmGG5VE

[Masterofreality]

For Paul and Bobbie, for whom no amount of information will ever rid them of their Trump/Russia conspiracy fantasies, the Durham Investigation is exposing the fraud in multiple ways. You guys are so blue pilled and naive. Pray you wake up some day. Your Trump delusion has blinded you to reality.

https://mate.substack.com/p/russiagate-has-no-rock-bottom

[paulxu]

You probably didn't look at the findings of the Republican led intelligence committee findings. You should.
As to Russian disinformation, perhaps you'll watch this to see how they are working on dividing us on all sides...and succeeding.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2021/11/04/russian-disinformation-reality-check-orig-jg.cnn

And I'm curious, do you not find it at all suspicious that Trump's campaign manager gave polling data to a Russian spy?

[boozehound]

I'm genuinely curious - what about the Durham investigation renders it rock solid information to be taken completely at face value, while the previous investigations into Trump's ties to Russia are dismissed as completely false partisan witch hunts?

Do you guys really believe that the Durham investigation is something more that just countering a partisan investigation with another partisan investigation? That's not to say that it may not be accurate - I'm sure it least parts of it are - but I find it hilarious that so many are viewing it as some sort of iron clad refutation of the Democrat led investigations into Trump's ties to Russia, and all this before the investigation has even concluded.

I get that it's all rooted in the intoxicating allure of confirmation bias, but can we at least try to think critically?

Before one of you guys erupts like a Mt. Vesuvius of right wing talking points, I was skeptical of the initial investigations and didn't support the impeachment either. Despite my belief that Trump just shouldn't have been President.

[Smails]

yeah, 60% of republicans

Who on THIS board is claiming that? At the very least try to counter what someone here is actually saying if you're going to make an argument. Otherwise you just sound like an old gasbag.

[Masterofreality]

You probably didn't look at the findings of the Republican led intelligence committee findings. You should.
As to Russian disinformation, perhaps you'll watch this to see how they are working on dividing us on all sides...and succeeding.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/business/2021/11/04/russian-disinformation-reality-check-orig-jg.cnn

And I'm curious, do you not find it at all suspicious that Trump's campaign manager gave polling data to a Russian spy?

The Republicans only could act on information that they had at the time. “Information” that was falsified, obfuscated by the FBI (when people thought they were still credible) and later debunked. Information that was untruthful then covered up by FBI minions. This entire scenario should concern you Paul because that means any US citizen can be falsely targeted- including you.
This entire house of cards is falling apart under scrutiny. Those accusations were blown up so Steele could get paid by Democrat operatives from the Clinton campaign. It was a campaign dirty trick- multiplied to the max. There is zero corroboration. Read what I posted from Mate. It’s lengthy but detailed and dismisses point by point this dossier that was used for numerous legal cases. The Clinton campaign orchestrated the Steele Dossier & Russian Collusion. They used inside operatives inside the FBI to investigate it. The media didn’t corroborate & ran with it because they wanted it to be true.

There is also zero corroboration that Trump’s campaign manager gave anything to any “Russian spy”. Mate debunks that in his essay as well as all of the sensationalistic reporting from CNN and MSNBC among others. Open your eyes and ears Paul. There is more to come.
This stuff foisted by the Clinton campaign, based upon jokes and hyperbolic banter over beers, is the true threat to democracy. And there is more to come. Strap in and get your popcorn ready. Stuff is going down.

[paulxu]

I follow legal analysts who were cautious from the beginning that the dossier was planted disinformation, and to the extent it was used for warrants is obviously an intelligence failure.
I hoped you watched the video I linked on how Russia is using it (on both sides) to spread dissent within our country.

As to Manafort, the Republican led, years long intelligence committee report decided Manafort had worked with Russian intelligence, and they in turn worked with Wikileaks to influence the election. Rudy said turning over the polling data was "bad judgement." Can you think of a possible legal explanation that Manafort would give US polling data to a Russian intelligence officer? Sharing it other Republican state parties makes sense. Sharing it with the Russians (so they could perhaps target US voters with Facebook ads to influence the election) seems to be a little out of bounds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate/senate-committee-concludes-russia-used-manafort-wikileaks-to-boost-trump-in-2016-idUSKCN25E1US

You'll recall Manafort was pardoned for his crimes, and to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt.
The FBI currently has a $250,000 reward for the Russian intelligence officer with whom Manafort shared polling data.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/konstantin-viktorovich-kilimnik/konstantin-viktorovich-kilimnik.pdf/view

Since these were conclusions by Republican senators, I assume you might re-think your position. But, maybe not.

[bobbiemcgee]

Who on THIS board is claiming that? At the very least try to counter what someone here is actually saying if you're going to make an argument. Otherwise you just sound like an old gasbag.

About 40% on the Snipe poll here. How did you vote? 60% nationally. yep, your usual "can't win the argument" so throw out some insults.

[Masterofreality]

I follow legal analysts who were cautious from the beginning that the dossier was planted disinformation, and to the extent it was used for warrants is obviously an intelligence failure.
I hoped you watched the video I linked on how Russia is using it (on both sides) to spread dissent within our country.

As to Manafort, the Republican led, years long intelligence committee report decided Manafort had worked with Russian intelligence, and they in turn worked with Wikileaks to influence the election. Rudy said turning over the polling data was "bad judgement." Can you think of a possible legal explanation that Manafort would give US polling data to a Russian intelligence officer? Sharing it other Republican state parties makes sense. Sharing it with the Russians (so they could perhaps target US voters with Facebook ads to influence the election) seems to be a little out of bounds.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-senate/senate-committee-concludes-russia-used-manafort-wikileaks-to-boost-trump-in-2016-idUSKCN25E1US

You'll recall Manafort was pardoned for his crimes, and to accept a pardon is an admission of guilt.
The FBI currently has a $250,000 reward for the Russian intelligence officer with whom Manafort shared polling data.
https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/counterintelligence/konstantin-viktorovich-kilimnik/konstantin-viktorovich-kilimnik.pdf/view

Since these were conclusions by Republican senators, I assume you might re-think your position. But, maybe not.

The Republican Intelligence Commited, huh?
This is what Manafort was convicted of:
FACT Verdict. On August 21, their fourth day of deliberation, the jury found Manafort guilty on 8 of the 18 felony counts, including five counts of filing false tax returns, two counts of bank fraud, and one count of failing to disclose a foreign bank account. Judge Ellis declared a mistrial on the remaining 10 charges. From your favorite network NPR:

“ Throughout the trial, the special counsel's office never made a case against Manafort related to its overarching mandate — investigating any links or coordination between Trump's campaign and the Russian interference in the 2016 election.”

NOTHING ABOUT A RUSSIAN SPY. Nothing about treason or crimes against the country. The pardon was for the above conviction.
And with the “reward” the FBI is trying to cover their ass with a straw man who can never be caught because he doesn’t exist. The media will never go back and correct their BS. Just like Adam Schiff will never go back and correct his BS claim about having “definitive evidence of collusion”. He didn’t, doesn’t and lied.
Stop drinking the Kool Aid Paul.

[bobbiemcgee]

Bipartisan support for infrastructure. Finally had "infrastructure week". No longer a running joke.

[paulxu]

What can I say. The Senate Republicans said he gave polling data to the Russians. The DOJ doesn't prosecute...perhaps it's not a crime on it's face.
But...are you so naive that you don't think there was a purpose to him doing that? His lawyers admitted he did. What was his reason for giving Russians some American polling data? Good grief.

Meanwhile, to inject a small amount of humor (if you remember the song) here is a ruling from a judge in the trial of one of the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol, and wanted to travel to Europe:


Judge Chris Cooper, noting that Eduardo Nicolas Alvear Gonzalez smoked pot while at insurrection, denies his request to travel to England, saying, "Appreciating Defendant's desire to broaden his horizons but finding the request one toke over the line."

[XU_Lou]

Wow, what a bad week for the American-hating left. Lets review:

* Dems get smoked in the election

* The election also drew out the worst racism that permeates throughout the Dem party and the media

* Russia-gate blows-up in the Dems face, proving (once again) that they are liars and traitors

* The Dems grandiose plan to spend and regulate the country into oblivion is hanging on only by a thread, and will likely go down

* Kyle Rittenhouse is about to walk free - sorry, you didn't get your scalp!

[Masterofreality]

What can I say. The Senate Republicans said he gave polling data to the Russians. The DOJ doesn't prosecute...perhaps it's not a crime on it's face.
But...are you so naive that you don't think there was a purpose to him doing that? His lawyers admitted he did. What was his reason for giving Russians some American polling data? Good grief.

Meanwhile, to inject a small amount of humor (if you remember the song) here is a ruling from a judge in the trial of one of the insurrectionists who stormed the Capitol, and wanted to travel to Europe:

Paul. Please listen. None of that information that either the Republicans nor the media reported was verified and corroborated. it was all hearsay as Detailed in Mate’s essay. THAT is why the DOJ couldn’t prosecute or Mueller accuse.
See, there is this thing called EVIDENCE to be able to show a crime or that Manafort ever did that. The FBI falsified info to the Republicans just like they falsified information in the FISA warrants. That, at the time was the garbage that was submitted to them. It’s been totally debunked since. These were made up stories repeated by compliant news media who had it out for Trump and that Hilary lost.
Stop believing bull shit and start believing what happens in court- after PROOF is submitted. Stop with the straw men.

And wait until the Supreme Court gets to rule on Biden’s latest mandate bull shit. WHOO HOOO!

This for good measure:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/11/08/john_durham_is_getting_close_to_the_jugular_146702 .html

[Masterofreality]

Bipartisan support for infrastructure. Finally had "infrastructure week". No longer a running joke.

With 13 Republicans saving the Dems from themselves. Glad you are giving Republicans credit.
A bill that was crafted with input from numerous Republicans that had support from many.
Build Back Better will fail and it will be glorious. That is the joke

[paulxu]

Not that it will obviously change anyone's mind, but the FBI investigation (Crossfire Hurricane) was opened after a friendly government advised the US of a potential problem involving Russia and the Trump campaign.
The original FISA applications were before the Steele dossier, and were supported as necessary from FBI intelligence.
From the IG report on the investigation:


As we describe in Chapter Three, the FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane on Ju ly 31, 2016, just days after its receipt of information from a Friendly Foreign
Government (FFG) reporting that, in May 2016, during a meeting with the FFG, then Trump campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama)." The FBI Electronic Communication (EC) opening the Crossfire Hurricane investigation stated t hat, based o n the FFG information, "this investigation is being opened to determine whether individual(s) associated with the Trump campaign are witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Government of Russia."

These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Also note:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/why-team-trump-wrong-about-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666

[bobbiemcgee]

A bill that was crafted with input from numerous Republicans that had support from many. e

Delusional as usual, 187 of them voted against.

Republican support:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/06/fix-gop-infrastructure-defections/

[Masterofreality]

Delusional as usual, 187 of them voted against.

Republican support:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/11/06/fix-gop-infrastructure-defections/

It would not have passed without Republicans and Republicans helped craft it. Fact.

[Masterofreality]

Not that it will obviously change anyone's mind, but the FBI investigation (Crossfire Hurricane) was opened after a friendly government advised the US of a potential problem involving Russia and the Trump campaign.
The original FISA applications were before the Steele dossier, and were supported as necessary from FBI intelligence.
From the IG report on the investigation:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/120919-examination.pdf

Also note:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/why-team-trump-wrong-about-carter-page-dossier-secret-warrant-n893666

A “potential” problem that was not a problem.
Mueller found no collusion. No one has been prosecuted for that or treason and the FISA warrants were based on hearsay over beers. There is no evidence, and “narratives” that were false were perpetrated.
This whole scenario was a Democrat and Clinton Campaign invention that the media and cooperative FBI minions went along with. There is no “there there” Paul. It has collapsed. Durham is bringing all the sordid details to light. Stop with this fantasy of yours.

[Smails]

About 40% on the Snipe poll here. How did you vote? 60% nationally. yep, your usual "can't win the argument" so throw out some insults.

So you're talking about a poll taken on this board? Has anyone on this thread actually said the election was stolen? That's what i was referring to...not some poll. It's certainly not a majority position that I have seen here. I don't know if I even voted on that poll, but If i did I would say that the election was not stolen. That has been my position all along. Sorry if you're offended and upset by the term gasbag.

[Masterofreality]

The flood of evidence that it was actually the Democrats & Clinton Campaign that were “colluding with Russia” continues to grow.
And the fact that the FBI colluded with them to continue the hoax continues to be verified as well.
Then the Democrats kept this BS alive for 2 years, thereby holding Congress hostage to hot air during that time.
Dumpster Fire Dems.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/biggest-loser-durham-indictments-james-comeys-fbi

[UCGRAD4X]

So you're talking about a poll taken on this board? Has anyone on this thread actually said the election was stolen? That's what i was referring to...not some poll. It's certainly not a majority position that I have seen here. I don't know if I even voted on that poll, but If i did I would say that the election was not stolen. That has been my position all along. Sorry if you're offended and upset by the term gasbag.


The flood of evidence that it was actually the Democrats & Clinton Campaign that were “colluding with Russia” continues to grow.
And the fact that the FBI colluded with them to continue the hoax continues to be verified as well.
Then the Democrats kept this BS alive for 2 years, thereby holding Congress hostage to hot air during that time.
Dumpster Fire Dems.

https://justthenews.com/accountability/russia-and-ukraine-scandals/biggest-loser-durham-indictments-james-comeys-fbi

Will all that is coming to light, and if there is at least a measure of truth to it, there certainly seems to be argument that through this process the election was absolutely influenced to the point that it was, for all intents and purposes, stolen by deception.

[bobbiemcgee]

..... for all intents and purposes, stolen by deception.

Welp, there you go.

[Masterofreality]

Why is the media trying to create a “Racism” angle in the Rittenhouse trial, when everyone involved in this case is White?
Because the mainstream media early on assigned a “White Supremicist” label on Rittenhouse. Falsely, with no evidence.
There still is no evidence that has been produced of that nature-even in this trial. This should tell you everything you need to know how WaPo & NY Times and MSNBC/CNN create fake news and narratives. You cannot trust anything on these outlets anymore.
An excellent essay:

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/kyle-rittenhouse-ahmaud-arbery-tale-two-trials/

[XU_Lou]

Why is the media trying to create a “Racism” angle in the Rittenhouse trial, when everyone involved in this case is White?
Because the mainstream media early on assigned a “White Supremicist” label on Rittenhouse. Falsely, with no evidence.
There still is no evidence that has been produced of that nature-even in this trial. This should tell you everything you need to know how WaPo & NY Times and MSNBC/CNN create fake news and narratives. You cannot trust anything on these outlets anymore.
An excellent essay:

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/kyle-rittenhouse-ahmaud-arbery-tale-two-trials/

The real question is why do people like Paul and Bobbie continue to believe anything these corrupted liars have to say? How many times will they allow Lucy to pull the football on them before they understand the game?

[Strange Brew]

Welp, there you go.

Won’t speak for him but I think he meant the 2020 election. Stolen through the deception of false claims and impeachments.

[bobbiemcgee]

Won’t speak for him but I think he meant the 2020 election. Stolen through the deception of false claims and impeachments.

Yeah, 7 million bogus votes.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, 7 million bogus votes.

Well Bobbie you got who you wanted. A human dumpster fire with a Swiss cheese brain.
Congratulations.

[Strange Brew]

Well Bobbie you got who you wanted. A human dumpster fire with a Swiss cheese brain.
Congratulations.

Come on man, give old Joe a break. He’s not actually in control of anything, especially his bowels.

[Masterofreality]

The evidence of an incompetent Administration.
Where is your daily outrage at the President Paul?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-inflation-surge-continues-consumer-prices-rise-cpi-president-biden-joe-manchin-11636496052?st=noilpkcs47tbvd9&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[Xville]

It would not have passed without Republicans and Republicans helped craft it. Fact.

And yet now there are whackadoodles like Greene (who respresents the worst of Washington along with the squad on the other side) calling those republicans traitors and other unsavory bs.

Politics and most politicians suck, they are all about division more than anything else and most of the general population fall for it hook line and sinker

[Strange Brew]

And yet now there are whackadoodles like Greene (who respresents the worst of Washington along with the squad on the other side) calling those republicans traitors and other unsavory bs.

Politics and most politicians suck, they are all about division more than anything else and most of the general population fall for it hook line and sinker

DC was never intended to have this much influence over the rest of the country. I’d say term limits but it would be better if the Governor’s and State Houses took back the rights they’ve let erode over the past 70 or so years.

[paulxu]

Hard to be outraged at the current president at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier honoring fellow veterans.
Meanwhile, the former president is in court, trying to block the release of White House visitor logs, which are public records. That's a little outrageous.

[Strange Brew]

Hard to be outraged at the current president at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier honoring fellow veterans.
Meanwhile, the former president is in court, trying to block the release of White House visitor logs, which are public records. That's a little outrageous.

You shouldn’t have drawn attention to his soon to be famous, “great negro” speech. I’ll give him a pass though. He hasn’t crapped himself or farted so that’s a win. Well, hasn’t yet….

[X-man]

DC was never intended to have this much influence over the rest of the country. I’d say term limits but it would be better if the Governor’s and State Houses took back the rights they’ve let erode over the past 70 or so years.

Alexander Hamilton would beg to differ with you.

[Xville]

DC was never intended to have this much influence over the rest of the country. I’d say term limits but it would be better if the Governor’s and State Houses took back the rights they’ve let erode over the past 70 or so years.

I say we need a federal government that works the way it was intended, not the complete excrement of filth that has formed. I have had several family members elected to "work" at the state level, it's not any better there.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well Bobbie you got who you wanted.

Better luck next time.

[bobbiemcgee]

The real question is why do people like Paul and Bobbie continue to believe anything these corrupted liars have to say? How many times will they allow Lucy to pull the football on them before they understand the game?

You remind me of Pigpen. Every post with a cloud of filth behind you. haha.

[Strange Brew]

Alexander Hamilton would beg to differ with you.

Maybe but he didn’t write the Constitution and was against the need for the Bill of Rights so he can differ all he wants.

[Strange Brew]

I say we need a federal government that works the way it was intended, not the complete excrement of filth that has formed. I have had several family members elected to "work" at the state level, it's not any better there.

Agree on the state level however it limits the dumb ideas/management to one state.

[GoMuskies]

Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people in self defense as well as our collective sanity. People are so very, very stupid (Kyle among them, but luckily being stupid is not against the law, but it CAN get you killed as the child rapist and the other guy found out).

[Masterofreality]

Hard to be outraged at the current president at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier honoring fellow veterans.
Meanwhile, the former president is in court, trying to block the release of White House visitor logs, which are public records. That's a little outrageous.

I’m outraged that President Biden has cut off American energy causing prices for those products to go insanely high.
I’m outraged that inflation, caused by Biden and Dem policies of overstimulation have caused real wage after tax incomes to decline in 10 months.
I’m outraged that Labor shortages have been exacerbated by mishuided unemployment payments.
I’m outraged that Biden used a Jim Crow term to refer to Satchel Paige.
I’m outraged that Biden met with a felon Jacob Blake in Kenosha- like he was some hero- then, of course his own Justice Department had no grounds to bring charges vs the Police who had to shoot Blake.
Oh, yeah. There is plenty to be outraged about.

Meanwhile. Yeah. Let’s go down that path of doing away with Presidential Executive Privilege. Then let’s peek at O’Bama and Biden’s records. You won’t like where that goes.

[Masterofreality]

Kyle Rittenhouse killed two people in self defense as well as our collective sanity. People are so very, very stupid (Kyle among them, but luckily being stupid is not against the law, but it CAN get you killed as the child rapist and the other guy found out).

Uh huh. +

[Xville]

Agree on the state level however it limits the dumb ideas/management to one state.

That’s fair :)

[bobbiemcgee]

I think the whiney little bastard will get off. The judge acts like an extra defense atty.

[GoMuskies]

I mean, don't you think he should get off? (Asking knowing full well I'm going to get a non-sequitur response about how he shouldn't have been there or something)

[XU_Lou]

I think the whiney little bastard will get off. The judge acts like an extra defense atty.

So self-defense isn't a right in your world view?

Hey Boobie, if you're so distraught over this, maybe you should start a new civil rights group called "Child Rapists Lives Matter".

[Strange Brew]

So self-defense isn't a right in your world view?

Hey Boobie, if you're so distraught over this, maybe you should start a new civil rights group called "Child Rapists Lives Matter".

Give him a break. He hasn’t been instructed how to think or more importantly feel about this yet.

[XU_Lou]

Give him a break. He hasn’t been instructed how to think or more importantly feel about this yet.

Actually, he probably has. Take a look at what Hakeem Jeffries (the lunatic Dem Congressman from NY) tweeted yesterday:

"Lock up Kyle Rittenhouse and throw away the key."

https://twitter.com/hakeemjeffries/status/1458547713381896193?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1458547713381896193%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonexaminer.com%2 Fnews%2Fhakeem-jeffries-kyle-rittenhouse-trial-tweet

Seems to me that Hakeem, Biden and the media have just made another teen a multi-millionaire.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hey Bobbie, if you're so distraught over this.

Not at all. Give your kids an assault rifle and turn them loose. Send them out to play. Apparently it's ok now. Guess you're saying he checked the guy's felony record before he shot him?

[XU_Lou]

Not at all. Give your kids an assault rifle and turn them loose. Apparently it's ok now.

GoMuskies was right... but then again this ^^^^ is just more par for the course when it comes to your debating abilities.


I mean, don't you think he should get off? (Asking knowing full well I'm going to get a non-sequitur response about how he shouldn't have been there or something)

[bobbiemcgee]

Get a new hero. It's Veteran Day.

[GoMuskies]

Wow, you're like a breathing stereotype.

[Strange Brew]

Not at all. Give your kids an assault rifle and turn them loose. Send them out to play. Apparently it's ok now. Guess you're saying he checked the guy's felony record before he shot him?

AR does not stand for Assault Rifle and it’s a semi-auto rifle. Not a military weapon but they kind of resemble an M16 so I get why some are confused. At least try to know what your jabbering about.

[Masterofreality]

Not at all. Give your kids an assault rifle and turn them loose. Send them out to play. Apparently it's ok now. Guess you're saying he checked the guy's felony record before he shot him?

Better yet? Stop your BLM and Antifa Komrades from tearing up and burning down a city over criminal activity by a Black felon? His “record” was checked and it made no damn difference. And how about a Dem governor actually sending in the national guard to help the Police keep order and not have numerous Black owned businesses destroyed? Maybe that would have kept the civilians from having to assist?

That would have been cool.

[bobbiemcgee]

AR does not stand for Assault Rifle and it’s a semi-auto rifle. Not a military weapon but they kind of resemble an M16 so I get why some are confused. At least try to know what your jabbering about.

Just pull the trigger as fast as you can to empty a 30 round magazine in less than 10 seconds and just buy a bump stock and kill 49-58 people much quicker.

[X-man]

I’m outraged that President Biden has cut off American energy causing prices for those products to go insanely high.
I’m outraged that inflation, caused by Biden and Dem policies of overstimulation have caused real wage after tax incomes to decline in 10 months.
I’m outraged that Labor shortages have been exacerbated by mishuided unemployment payments.
I’m outraged that Biden used a Jim Crow term to refer to Satchel Paige.
I’m outraged that Biden met with a felon Jacob Blake in Kenosha- like he was some hero- then, of course his own Justice Department had no grounds to bring charges vs the Police who had to shoot Blake.
Oh, yeah. There is plenty to be outraged about.

Meanwhile. Yeah. Let’s go down that path of doing away with Presidential Executive Privilege. Then let’s peek at O’Bama and Biden’s records. You won’t like where that goes.
Your first three reasons for your "outrage" are highly misplaced. Inflation and energy price spikes are largely the consequence of the covid recovery and mismatched labor caused by changes in spending patterns induced by covid. And the actual evidence on the impact of the unemployment payments (would you have preferred people to starve and be thrown into the streets) is that while it may have played a small role in the "labor shortage", far more important causes also stem from covid problems (fear of unsafe work places, schools shutting down so someone needs to be home, and the costs of getting help at home, for example). So perhaps you can be a little less angry? You might live longer.

[noteggs]

I will go back and discuss what’s hurting Americans today. Question from attached video “what is the plan to increase oil production in America?” And this what we got from our secretary of Energy. Glad competent Washington insiders are back into office. Awww the good ole days.

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/mock-n-rob/watch-biden-secretary-of-energy-laughs-maniacally-when-questioned-about-gas-prices/

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess the pardon didn't work for Bannon for stealing money from trump supporters (wall scam), turning himself in Mon.

[Strange Brew]

I will go back and discuss what’s hurting Americans today. Question from attached video “what is the plan to increase oil production in America?” And this what we got from our secretary of Energy. Glad competent Washington insiders are back into office. Awww the good ole days.

https://www.wibc.com/blogs/mock-n-rob/watch-biden-secretary-of-energy-laughs-maniacally-when-questioned-about-gas-prices/

Again, it’s not that they’re stupid it’s they think you’re stupid….

[Masterofreality]

Guess the pardon didn't work for Bannon for stealing money from trump supporters (wall scam), turning himself in Mon.

And the Lincoln Project grifters have ripped off millions from “Resisters” and delivered zero election wins.
But your side is too stupid to prosecute.

[Strange Brew]

And the Lincoln Project grifters have ripped off millions from “Resisters” and delivered zero election wins.
But your side is too stupid to prosecute.

Annnd, that’s not what the Bannon thing is about anyway.

[Masterofreality]

Your first three reasons for your "outrage" are highly misplaced. Inflation and energy price spikes are largely the consequence of the covid recovery and mismatched labor caused by changes in spending patterns induced by covid. And the actual evidence on the impact of the unemployment payments (would you have preferred people to starve and be thrown into the streets) is that while it may have played a small role in the "labor shortage", far more important causes also stem from covid problems (fear of unsafe work places, schools shutting down so someone needs to be home, and the costs of getting help at home, for example). So perhaps you can be a little less angry? You might live longer.

First of all I was responding to Paul’s ridiculous statement that there was nothing to be outraged about.
Second, uh COVID has zero to do with this. Last year this week BEFORE there was a vaccine the average price of gas was $2.11. This year this week it’s $3.39.
Biden’s policies have directly influenced this issue by limiting drilling, pipelines and fracking in the misguided effort in “Climate Change”. Almost all observers & Economists, except the ones that are invested with Biden, agree with this. I’m sure somebody will pull out some NYT article from Krazy Krugman that disputes that. But the Pandemic has nothing to do with this issue.
“Mismatched Labor” is untrue. There was plenty of “Labor” this time last year-much of it work from home that was unaffected by COVID in the paycheck- until the Dems decided to disincentivize “Labor” by too much giveaway. No one was getting kicked on the street. Stop lying. All economists, even Biden’s, now agree that the “Stiimulus” payments were throwing kerosine on an already strongly rebounding economy. Just read the Wall Street Journal daily if you have any doubt.
Stop the false defenses and ass covering. This whole administration is an outrage and have screwed things up. Voters see it and the Dems will pay.

Finally, I’m living just fine thank you. Methinks longer than those with unabated Trump Derangement Syndrome who are constantly angry

https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=EMM_EPMR_PTE_NUS_DPG&f=W

[paulxu]

Meanwhile, the former president is in court, trying to block the release of White House visitor logs, which are public records. That's a little outrageous.


First of all I was responding to Paul’s ridiculous statement that there was nothing to be outraged about.


One of these things is not like the other.

[Xville]

To compare gas prices to this time last year when demand was at one of its lowest points, is beyond stupid. With that said, Biden’s policies have directly affected the rise in prices.

The labor issue is multifaceted and not a singular factor.

[Strange Brew]

To compare gas prices to this time last year when demand was at one of its lowest points, is beyond stupid. With that said, Biden’s policies have directly affected the rise in prices.

The labor issue is multifaceted and not a singular factor.

Gas two years ago then? With more people commenting than now.

[Xville]

Gas two years ago then? With more people commenting than now.

I’m with ya and like I said I agree that Biden’s policies are one of the causes of where gas is right now…just comparing it to last year is ridiculous

[Masterofreality]

I’m with ya and like I said I agree that Biden’s policies are one of the causes of where gas is right now…just comparing it to last year is ridiculous

Ok. $2.60 in November, 2019 rather than $3.39 now.
I only used last year because that was the last time before the election.
What’s ridiculous is even making a comment about it when the premise is abundantly clear.
Stop being a putz. You’ll have a happier life.

[Masterofreality]

One of these things is not like the other.

What’s like the first quoted post is how Obama jealously guarded his Executive Privilege. Like every other President ever has- including Trump.
What about NOW Paul? You studiously avoid the current President.

[94GRAD]

I get gas at Sam's club every week with a price ranging from $2.77-$2.89

[Xville]

Ok. $2.60 in November, 2019 rather than $3.39 now.
I only used last year because that was the last time before the election.
What’s ridiculous is even making a comment about it when the premise is abundantly clear.
Stop being a putz. You’ll have a happier life.

Whatever you say MR. around the green.

[Masterofreality]

Ya wanna know how corrupt the Main Stream Media is?
Read this informative essay from Andrew Sullivan. It’s all laid out.

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/when-all-the-media-narratives-collapse-650

[paulxu]

Obviously has a hard on for Rachel Maddow, and not one mention of the incorrect, and uncorrected Fox stories. Fascinating.

[Strange Brew]

Obviously has a hard on for Rachel Maddow, and not one mention of the incorrect, and uncorrected Fox stories. Fascinating.

Perhaps you could provide a link to one of these stories?

[Masterofreality]

Obviously has a hard on for Rachel Maddow, and not one mention of the incorrect, and uncorrected Fox stories. Fascinating.

NO ONE has a hard on for Rachel Maddow.
And she has never corrected a fake story of hers.
Please share an “uncorrected” Fox News story if you were so fascinated. A story as false as “Russian Collusion” that Maddow pushed for 3 years, now totally debunked by Durham. Maddow is an activist, not a journalist. That’s why her ratings are 1/3 of Tucker Carlson. Thinking people know.
Receipts please.

[Masterofreality]

Perhaps you could provide a link to one of these stories?

Spoiler. He has none

[Masterofreality]

By the way. Here is Andrew Sullivan’s profile. Ain’t no Trumper.
Some people are able to think Independently Paul

“ Sullivan has stated that his liberal conservatism is rooted in his Catholic background and in the ideas of the British political philosopher Michael Oakeshott.[5][6] In 2003, he wrote he was no longer able to support the American conservative movement, as he was disaffected with the Republican Party's continued rightward shift towards social conservatism on social issues during the George W. Bush era.[7]

Born and raised in Britain, he has lived in the United States since 1984 and currently resides in Washington, D.C.,[8] and Provincetown, Massachusetts. He is openly gay and a practicing Catholic”.[9][10]

[paulxu]

Perhaps you could provide a link to one of these stories?

Google is your friend too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-media-fox-news-3-debunked-stories-in-week-2021-4

[paulxu]

Spoiler. He has none

And Google can be your friend too.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=sean-hannity

[Masterofreality]

Google is your friend too.

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-media-fox-news-3-debunked-stories-in-week-2021-4

Ha! Business Insider is not non partisan, and probably will face a libel suit by Dave Portnoy on a false hit piece they ran on him.
The other stories have basis in fact. One of AOC’s biggest bitches in “Climate Change” is reducing methane, read cow farts. I actually went to a “Climate Rally” in Cleveland 2 years ago, just to get info on what these idiots are pushing. The reduction of meat consumption was front and center. Have you been to a Climate Rally Paul? Maybe 90% is hyperbole but again, based in fact.
Kamala’s book WAS found in a illegal immigrant camp. Donated or not.
As to the Virginia elimination of Advanced classes. DeBlasio did exactly that in New York under the “Equity” guise. Of course the Virginia schools guy would deny it, just as they denied that Critical Race Theory-esque curriculum and offensive sex education classes aren’t being taught. (They Are). Parents have confirmed it. (See Election 11/21)

At least Fox did issue some corrections and amplifications. Maddow never has. Nor has CNN. In any event, none of those cases you site are a “threat to democracy” like the false news has been over the past four years. I think I’ll stay with Andrew Sullivan.

Do better Paul

[paulxu]

Facts are not your friend.
Even Fox corrected (somewhat).
Maybe you can find where it was in Biden's plan to reduce meat. Even they couldn't.
Or perhaps you can find where Virginia was going to cut out accelerated math classes.
And of course your guy Hannity's nonsense...no comments.

[Masterofreality]

And Google can be your friend too.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/list/?category=&ruling=false&speaker=sean-hannity

Uh. I’m not going into all of the issues with “Politifact”, even their first claim of “false” against Hannity vs Ilan Omar is inaccurate.


Ilhan Omar
@IlhanMN
You don’t ���� have to ���� be registered ���� to go vote���� in Minnesota

That is what the first part of her Tweet actually said. Hannity quoted it. It wasn’t false. If anything, a US Representative should be more careful in her communication. The press always “pounced” on what Donald Trump said without context. Hannity was merely turning it around on the other side- without context. It still doesn’t make this right and does nothing to invalidate what Andrew Sullivan wrote.

[Masterofreality]

Facts are not your friend.
Even Fox corrected (somewhat).
Maybe you can find where it was in Biden's plan to reduce meat. Even they couldn't.
Or perhaps you can find where Virginia was going to cut out accelerated math classes.
And of course your guy Hannity's nonsense...no comments.

Stop it Paul. The reduction of meat was in the original plan for the Green Néw Deal. No progressive denies that.
Perhaps you can read it and go to a Climate Rally. Biden’s team is pushing for that.
Quote: “ An FAQ on the Green New Deal took sustainability a step further, stressing the need for a “greenhouse gas free food system,” adding that “we aren’t sure we can get rid of farting cows and airplanes that fast.”

And you’re “gal” Maddow’s nonsense? False.

[paulxu]

You can't wish it into the administration's proposal. You've got to find it.

Context matters. She was addressing the availability of same day registration. And you have to use the whole tweet, not just a part you cut out to make a point that is not there.

You don’t ���� have to ���� be registered ���� to go vote���� in Minnesota ���� we have ���� same day ���� registration ���� so you ���� can register ���� at the polls ����

[Masterofreality]

You can't wish it into the administration's proposal. You've got to find it.

Context matters. She was addressing the availability of same day registration. And you have to use the whole tweet, not just a part you cut out to make a point that is not there.

You don’t ���� have to ���� be registered ���� to go vote���� in Minnesota ���� we have ���� same day ���� registration ���� so you ���� can register ���� at the polls ����

Yeah it sure does so why wasn’t Trump ever given the benefit of “context” in his Charlottesville comments and other statements.
Just playing by your established rules Paul, or have you moved the goalposts again. Can’t have it both ways.

[paulxu]

Nobody changed his comments, or dropped part of them to create a bogus point.

[Masterofreality]

Or perhaps you can find where Virginia was going to cut out accelerated math classes.
.

“Under consideration”, “Still in Development” and “Rethinking”. Which means that if nobody spoke out they would have. Still may. And based upon a Loudon County School Board member statement. A very deceiving headline. “Virginia isn’t eliminating advanced math courses” . Uh. Now…..but…

https://www.virginiamercury.com/2021/04/26/virginia-isnt-eliminating-accelerated-math-courses-but-its-one-of-many-states-rethinking-math-education/

“Much of the original Fox story was based on critical social media posts from a member of the Loudoun County School Board. Those posts, in turn, were based on a statewide proposal called the Virginia Mathematics Pathways Initiative — an effort to modernize math education in public schools.

In a Monday briefing, state education officials were quick to emphasize that the initiative is still in development. Virginia’s superintendent of public instruction, James Lane, said a formal proposal had yet to come before him or the state Board of Education. Any change would be part of the state’s regularly scheduled revisions to its Standards of Learning — expectations for what students should master in every grade level — and wouldn’t make it into classrooms until the 2025-26 school year.

But in regional webinars, experts and department officials outlined significant potential changes to how math in Virginia is structured. One widely circulated graphic eliminated courses such as Algebra I and II in favor of “foundational” and “essential” math concepts, with more advanced classes — including calculus and geometry — not starting until the 11th grade.

In webinars, VDOE officials have been upfront that the initiative is based on data, especially standardized test scores that show Black, Hispanic and low-income students have lower pass rates on state math assessments than White and Asian students. Those critical of the initiative have argued that Virginia is lowering its standards in favor of certain students instead of improving instruction to help more children reach advanced courses.“

[Masterofreality]

Nobody changed his comments, or dropped part of them to create a bogus point.

Ha! Yes they did. All you want to quote is the “very fine people” as if he was only referring to Nazi’s and White Supremicists.
From your prized Politifact, that you take as gospel:

“Reporter: (Inaudible) "… both sides, sir. You said there was hatred, there was violence on both sides. Are the --"

Trump: "Yes, I think there’s blame on both sides. If you look at both sides -- I think there’s blame on both sides. And I have no doubt about it, and you don’t have any doubt about it either. And if you reported it accurately, you would say."

Reporter: "The neo-Nazis started this. They showed up in Charlottesville to protest --"

Trump: "Excuse me, excuse me. They didn’t put themselves -- and you had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides. You had people in that group. Excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name."

Reporter: "George Washington and Robert E. Lee are not the same."

Trump: "George Washington was a slave owner. Was George Washington a slave owner? So will George Washington now lose his status? Are we going to take down -- excuse me, are we going to take down statues to George Washington? How about Thomas Jefferson? What do you think of Thomas Jefferson? You like him?"

Reporter: "I do love Thomas Jefferson."

Trump: "Okay, good. Are we going to take down the statue? Because he was a major slave owner. Now, are we going to take down his statue?

"So you know what, it’s fine. You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people -- and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists -- because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. Okay? And the press has treated them absolutely unfairly.

"Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people. But you also had troublemakers, and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets, and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group."

Reporter: "Sir, I just didn’t understand what you were saying. You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly? I just don’t understand what you were saying."

Trump: "No, no. There were people in that rally -- and I looked the night before -- if you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down of the statue of Robert E. Lee. I’m sure in that group there were some bad ones. The following day it looked like they had some rough, bad people -- neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them.

"But you had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest, and very legally protest -- because, I don’t know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn’t have a permit. So I only tell you this: There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was a horrible moment for our country -- a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.”

[Masterofreality]

You can't wish it into the administration's proposal. You've got to find it.

From the esteemed Wall Street Journal.
This whole thing began from an obviously humorous comment by Larry Kudlow on Fox Business. You progressives have zero sense of humor.
And, no. I’m not wishing this Climate Change lunacy on anybody

https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-may-make-a-big-missed-steak-11620591176

[paulxu]

Oh, the I was just joking fall back. That's getting a little old.
It's so lame that all the R's jumped on board to gin up their base.
Pretty weak. Just like using Ohmar's partial tweet to imply she was advocating breaking the law.

https://news.yahoo.com/how-a-false-claim-about-beef-and-bidens-climate-plan-spread-155102973.html

Oh...we were just joking.

[Strange Brew]

Oh, the I was just joking fall back. That's getting a little old.
It's so lame that all the R's jumped on board to gin up their base.
Pretty weak. Just like using Ohmar's partial tweet to imply she was advocating breaking the law.

https://news.yahoo.com/how-a-false-claim-about-beef-and-bidens-climate-plan-spread-155102973.html

Oh...we were just joking.

The burger thing was a joke but the plan or desire to limit beef production has been on the radar of the greenstapo for some time.

[Masterofreality]

Oh, the I was just joking fall back. That's getting a little old.
It's so lame that all the R's jumped on board to gin up their base.
Pretty weak. Just like using Ohmar's partial tweet to imply she was advocating breaking the law.

https://news.yahoo.com/how-a-false-claim-about-beef-and-bidens-climate-plan-spread-155102973.html

Oh...we were just joking.

Read the Wall Street Journal Paul. It was a joke by Kudlow but based in fact of a misguided climate agenda. I guess that goes right over your head as you flippantly dismiss reality.
The joke is that Maddow, CNN (except for their Nicholas Sandman libel) and the Washington Post are never held accountable for their undermining narratives.
Open your blue closed mind. You might actually learn something.
Or not. Because your side is about to get smoked in next years mid terms, then in 2024. Why don’t you just move to a Democrat controlled state/city? Oh, you won’t because they’re all decrepit messes that you can barely afford to live in. Just stay in your well managed Republican safe haven state. How ironic.

[paulxu]

Well, that certainly explains why Fox News and the Texas Governor and others repeated it as fact. My bad.

Also, I was born and raised in the South. Although it is a scene of much tragedy in the past, it's a nice place and one I chose to live in.

[bjf123]

Pretty weak. Just like using Ohmar's partial tweet to imply she was advocating breaking the law.

Paul, will you agree to this statement? Hannity took part of Omar’s actual words about voting out of context to support his point of view, just like the MSM took Trump’s actual words about Charlottesville out of context to support their point of view.


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[paulxu]

Paul, will you agree to this statement? Hannity took part of Omar’s actual words about voting out of context to support his point of view, just like the MSM took Trump’s actual words about Charlottesville out of context to support their point of view.


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I think that is a fair question, and I would agree this happens quite often.
I don't agree with these two examples.


The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[5][6][7][8] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, from August 11 to 12, 2017.[9][10][11] Far-right groups participated, including self-identified members of the alt-right,[12] neo-Confederates,[13] neo-fascists,[14] white nationalists,[15] neo-Nazis,[16] Klansmen,[17] and various right-wing militias.[18] Some groups chanted racist and antisemitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic groups

The president condemned the white nationalists, etc. but sought to give some cover to them by saying there were good people on both sides.
The stated goal of one side was white nationalism, and there were counter protestors. And one of them was run over.
I don't agree with trying to provide some cover, like Marge Schott saying Hitler did some good things.

On the other hand, Ohmar was urging people to vote, one of our basic rights. To turn that into an effort to saying she was encouraging lawbreaking (by leaving out the part of her text noting you can register the same day) appears to be an effort to create a false narrative...and many people took it and ran with it for political gain. What was "Hannity's point of view" that he was trying to support by taking the words out of context? That she was encouraging law breaking? She wasn't.

Perhaps there were "fine people" in the Unite the Right group. But they were participating in marches, and Nazi symbols and slogans, and hateful speech about Jews, etc. Seems to be a bridge too far.

[Masterofreality]

Also, I was born and raised in the South. Although it is a scene of much tragedy in the past, it's a nice place and one I chose to live in.

A nice place that votes Red to keep it that way. Coincidence? I think not.

[Masterofreality]

Paul’s favorite Washington Post:

“Biden’s approval rating hits new low as economic concern rises.

38% approval rating….That without a 24/7 news cycle trying to undermine the President like they did with Trump.
People see….

[bjf123]

What was "Hannity's point of view" that he was trying to support by taking the words out of context? That she was encouraging law breaking? She wasn't.

What was the MSM’s point of view by taking Trump’s comments out of context? That he supported white nationalists? He wasn’t. You said he tried to give them cover by talking about good people on both sides, conventionally ignoring that he was saying that not everyone there protesting was a white supremacist. I still see things online referencing Trump’s supposed support of white supremacists at Charlottesville.


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[paulxu]

You could draw the conclusion that he was supporting white nationalism by giving them cover.
Why would "good people" come and participate in a rally about white nationalism and antisemitism, display Nazi symbols and chant about replacement theory?
You can't draw the conclusion that Ohmar was supporting breaking the law.

I agreed with your original thought that often media takes words out of context to support a particular point of view. I disagree this is one of those cases.

[Strange Brew]

You could draw the conclusion that he was supporting white nationalism by giving them cover.
Why would "good people" come and participate in a rally about white nationalism and antisemitism, display Nazi symbols and chant about replacement theory?
You can't draw the conclusion that Ohmar was supporting breaking the law.

I agreed with your original thought that often media takes words out of context to support a particular point of view. I disagree this is one of those cases.

Since he said both sides you could make the similar argument that he was supporting Soviets and other authoritarian Socialists. Both arguments would be false.

[Masterofreality]

From ABC News:

if the midterms were today, 51% of reg voters say they’d support the GOP candidate in their district, 41% say the Democrat. That’s the biggest lead for Republicans in the 110 ABC/Post polls that have asked this question going back 40 years.m

You guys have failed miserably Paul. And we’re 10 months in.
This IS the exestential threat that you incessantly railed about with the former guy.
Hope we survive it

[bobbiemcgee]

"Former President Donald Trump is amping up his battle against "RINOs, sellouts, and known losers" who voted in favor of the infrastructure bill, calling on other Republicans to challenge them in primaries. "

So much for republican infrastructure support.

Meanwhile, Cruz still going after Big Bird.

[XU_Lou]

Looks like Ole Joe is indeed a racist... Even ​Kamala sees it, as reported on CNN:

"Suspicion has sprouted out of the bitterness. Last month, White House aides leapt to the defense of Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, who was being hammered with outrage by Fox News host Tucker Carlson and like-minded online pundits for taking paternity leave after the adoption of his twins in September. Harris loyalists tell CNN they see in that yet another example of an unfair standard at play, wondering why she didn't get similar cover any of the times she's been attacked by the right.
​
"It's hard to miss the specific energy that the White House brings to defend a White man, knowing that Kamala Harris has spent almost a year taking a lot of the hits that the West Wing didn't want to take themselves," said a former Harris aide, reflecting conversations last month among several former aides and current allies."

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/14/politics/kamala-harris-frustrating-start-vice-president/index.html

Who are the Dems going to nominate as their VP to replace Biden next year when they unleash the 25th Amendment on old Joe? They can't allow another idiot with an even lower approval rating than Joe to take the promotion, so they have to remove Kamala first. Will it be the guy who just took two months off to learn how to breast feed?

[noteggs]

You could draw the conclusion that he was supporting white nationalism by giving them cover.
Why would "good people" come and participate in a rally about white nationalism and antisemitism, display Nazi symbols and chant about replacement theory?
You can't draw the conclusion that Ohmar was supporting breaking the law.

I agreed with your original thought that often media takes words out of context to support a particular point of view. I disagree this is one of those cases.

I like your posts for the most part because they make me think. Believe this one still has me scratching my head though. How do you call this giving them cover?

From Trump
and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. Was that code or dog whistle for “I’ve got your back?”

If you feel everyone there who didn’t want the statue torn down were bad people, so be it. Nothing like guilty by association and that’s exactly what the press wanted people to think.

Most people can look at the BLM and other social justice protests across the country last year and say there were some good people because there were quite a few. Just because you believe or don’t believe in a certain cause doesn’t mean there are not good people in a particular group. There will always be those who tarnish the reputation of others. Of course there are fringe groups from both sides that do not have redeeming qualities IMO.

Final point. Heard Wisconsin is planning for protests if Rittenhouse is found not to be guilty. To me it would say the justice system worked, to others they’ll see this as racial injustice. If peaceful protests do happen, I can still say there are some good people in that group. Don’t understand why they would, but I don’t have to.

[Masterofreality]

Final point. Heard Wisconsin is planning for protests if Rittenhouse is found not to be guilty. To me it would say the justice system worked, to others they’ll see this as racial injustice. If peaceful protests do happen, I can still say there are some good people in that group. Don’t understand why they would, but I don’t have to.

Good post Eggs, but only the opportunist race grifters can see race in an incident where every single involved person is white.
Ahmed Aubrey? Absolutely. Convict and put those jerks away.
Rittenhouse? All I see is white.

[Masterofreality]

Paul’s valued “Politifact” ruled this “False”

“ At 17 years old Kyle (Rittenhouse) was perfectly legal to be able to possess that rifle without parental supervision.”


Politifact “Fact Checkers” are wrong. Rittenhouse was legal per Wisconsin law. The gun charge was dismissed in court.
So much for that biased site.

[paulxu]

I like your posts for the most part because they make me think. Believe this one still has me scratching my head though. How do you call this giving them cover?

From Trump Was that code or dog whistle for “I’ve got your back?”

Maybe it's a distinction I shouldn't necessarily draw, but it is the result of watching 4 years of the prior administration.
When given a direct chance to repudiate the white nationalists in a debate, he said stand back and stand by. I think that helped Jan 6th insurrection.

When BLM organizes a protest for racial justice, often (way too often) some people come and use the gathering for creating mayhem.
But the purpose of the protest was to address a substantive issue.
What was the point of Charlottesville?
It was organized by white nationalist, neo-facist groups to (ostensibly) object to the removal of a statue of a traitor to our union.
It involved racist chants, marches with torches, nazi flags and symbols, etc.

Why would you go to a rally with those known organizers and reasons for protests? Those activities they engaged in were not a few people doing crazy things like occur with the BLM protests. They were activities that were the planned essence of the rally.

Maybe a distinction without a difference. I don't know. I wish he would have just condemned the activities, and called out the Proud Boys in the debate.
I believe his bully pulpit could have cooled things down, especially if used correctly in the run-up to Jan 6th.

Thanks for the thoughtful response. Appreciate your ideas.

[XU_Lou]

How awesome is this? Great job Joe - way to look out for your own people!

Illegal Immigrants Would Get $10.5 Billion From Reconciliation Bill

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/11/16/illegal_immigrants_would_get_105_billion_from_reco nciliation_bill_146739.html

[Strange Brew]

How awesome is this? Great job Joe - way to look out for your own people!

Illegal Immigrants Would Get $10.5 Billion From Reconciliation Bill

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2021/11/16/illegal_immigrants_would_get_105_billion_from_reco nciliation_bill_146739.html

What did Veteran’s get?

[XU_Lou]

What did Veteran’s get?

Exactly!

[Strange Brew]

Exactly!

Minor correction the billions come from taxpayers, present and future, not from a bill.

[Masterofreality]

Biden’s America:

Wages are up 4.6% from last year, but the prices of food, shelter, and gas -- 62% of the average American household budget -- are up 27%. Tack on insurance, healthcare, and clothes, and 85% of the average budget costs 22% more than it did last year.

[Masterofreality]

From Politico, no “right wing” publication:
Sixteen Thirty Fund, the behemoth secret-money nonprofit on the left, spent a whopping **$410 million** in 2020 per new tax docs, funding anti-Trump and Senate ads and a host of other programs.
Pierre Omidyar self-disclosed being the Sixteen Thirty Fund’s $45M donor earlier this year. Other major known donors to Sixteen Thirty Fund include nonprofits founded by Hansjorg Wyss and George Soros

Paul, your myth that the Democrats are but poor church mouses in this game is demonstrably false. Add to that BUILD BACK BETTER gives the richest people tax breaks while raising taxes & lowering of after tax income on middle income Americans

[xubrew]

The Q'anon Shaman who stormed the Capitol on Jan 6th while looking like he was at a Buffalo Bills game was sentenced to more than three years in prison.

Two predictions:

1) Trump will be president again before he gets out

2) Trump will pardon no one. Not because he doesn't approve of what happened, but because it would not be useful enough for him in any kind of a selfish way, so he just doesn't care. He shouldn't pardon them. He will opt to not do the wrong thing, but his reasons for doing so will not be the right ones.

[Masterofreality]

From Reuters just now:

The Biden administration has asked some of the world’s largest oil consuming nations to consider releasing some of their crude reserves in a coordinated effort to lower prices and stimulate the economic recovery, according to several people familiar with the matter.

What a dumpster fire. Cut off American energy production and beg Middle Eastern countries.
Let’s Go Brandon!!!

[XU_Lou]

The Q'anon Shaman who stormed the Capitol on Jan 6th while looking like he was at a Buffalo Bills game was sentenced to more than three years in prison.

Two predictions:

1) Trump will be president again before he gets out

2) Trump will pardon no one. Not because he doesn't approve of what happened, but because it would not be useful enough for him in any kind of a selfish way, so he just doesn't care. He shouldn't pardon them. He will opt to not do the wrong thing, but his reasons for doing so will not be the right ones.

3 years for trespassing.... Think about that...

Still waiting for a BLM or Antifa scum bag to be locked-up....

That's justice in America right now. The anger in this country is building. The Dems cannot continue backing conservatives and middle America into a corner without seeing a massive backlash. It's coming...

[paulxu]

Of course:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-asks-saudi-arabia-to-boost-oil-production-1530360926

[XU_Lou]

Of course:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-asks-saudi-arabia-to-boost-oil-production-1530360926

Paul - really, are you that much of an idiot? Are you trying to gaslight or do you really not see the difference between the 2 situations?

[paulxu]

The Shaman guy pled guilty.
The federal sentencing guidelines called for 41-51 months.
The judge gave him the minimum, with credit (10 months) for time served.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

[XU_Lou]

The Shaman guy pled guilty.
The federal sentencing guidelines called for 41-51 months.
The judge gave him the minimum, with credit (10 months) for time served.
If you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Again, as usual, you can't distinguish between two scenarios. Your so fucking brainwashed you can't tell what's real anymore.

[94GRAD]

Again, as usual, you can't distinguish between two scenarios. Your so fucking brainwashed you can't tell what's real anymore.

*You're

[Masterofreality]

Of course:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-asks-saudi-arabia-to-boost-oil-production-1530360926

Paul pulling a story from 2018 when Trump was finally cranking up the economy from 8 years of Obama’s mismanagement is a Chef’s kiss.
You do know that by 2019 the US was a net EXPORTER of energy right Paul?? That’s what actual leaders do.
Biden’s mess is self inflicted.

BUT ELECTRIC CARS!!!!!

[Strange Brew]

Of course:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-asks-saudi-arabia-to-boost-oil-production-1530360926

In '18. So, Trump worked to open our energy production and made the US a net exporter. Problem solved.

What happened since then.....

Sorry posted before reading MOR's response. But oh well maybe hearing it twice will help it sink in..

[paulxu]

Crude oil and petroleum

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49596

[Masterofreality]

Crude oil and petroleum

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=49596

Your guy cut off the Keystone pipeline and wants to cut off the present pipeline from Canada. That is not importing from the Middle East.
Trump had it right.
You are flailing Paul.

[Strange Brew]

Crude oil and petroleum

https://www.eia.gov/todayinenergy/detail.php?id=H49596

Exports of crude reached its peak in 2020 and is falling 1H21. Looks like we’re moving back to pre Trump production. But come on man, we’re investing in stuff. Whispers, making investments.

[Strange Brew]

In other news Biden nominated a Communist for Comptroller of the Currency.

[bobbiemcgee]

Usual red scare McCarthyism.

[Strange Brew]

Usual red scare McCarthyism.

She is a communist Bobbie. Just because you haven’t done your research doesn’t mean it’s McCarthyism. And McCarthyism? Jeez the 60s called and wants its hippy nonsense back.

[bobbiemcgee]

So you think she's a commie cuz she grew up in the Soviet Union? haha

[Strange Brew]

So you think she's a commie cuz she grew up in the Soviet Union? haha

Well there’s that and her views on state control of the banking system. That is one of the 10 pillars of Communism. Haha, look Bobbie doesn’t know what he’s talking about again.

[bobbiemcgee]

McCarthy was early 50's way before the hippies. Check your sources.

"Some Republicans and their allies in conservative media have gone further, using her birth in the former Soviet Union to suggest she favors a government takeover of the banking industry."

I wouldn't worry about it. Doesn't look like she'll get 1 pub vote.

[Strange Brew]

McCarthy was early 50's way before the hippies. Check your sources.

I’m aware of when Joe was going after Commies and your comment/argument was used after by Lefties to silence any legitimate concerns about Communist influence in the US for decades. My sources are fine.

[XU_Lou]

I’m aware of when Joe was going after Commies and your comment/argument was used after by Lefties to silence any legitimate concerns about Communist influence in the US for decades. My sources are fine.

Good grief, who in the Democrat party ISN'T a commie - I'm looking at you Boobie and Paul....

[Strange Brew]

Good grief, who in the Democrat party ISN'T a commie - I'm looking at you Boobie and Paul....

To be fair Joe Manchin and my Gov in CO (to my surprise) are pretty good Dems. But yeah, the party is moving well past Liberal, to full blown Leftist authoritarianism. Heck, they lost almost all the the Libertarians. Even Bill Maher is trying to get the Left to pump the brakes on the crazy train and Glen Greenwald now aligns more with Republicans.

[XU_Lou]

Testimony today at the sham Paul Gosar "hearing":


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50yCooxYmV8&t=49s

[xubrew]

3 years for trespassing.... Think about that...

Still waiting for a BLM or Antifa scum bag to be locked-up....

That's justice in America right now. The anger in this country is building. The Dems cannot continue backing conservatives and middle America into a corner without seeing a massive backlash. It's coming...


Again, as usual, you can't distinguish between two scenarios. Your so fucking brainwashed you can't tell what's real anymore.

He simply explained the parameters of the what the sentence will be for someone who pleads guilty to that particular crime.

[xubrew]

Two more questions that are again two different sides of the same coin..

1) Why wasn't Hillary Clinton locked up?? Trump accused her of being a criminal. Trump said he was going to do it. He had people chanting it at the rallies. Yet, he never did. Why not??

The only two possibilities I can think of (neither of which are good) is that she wasn't actually a criminal and that Trump was lying, or that she was a criminal but the justice department chose not to pursue it.


2) Why hasn't Trump been locked up?? The Democrats have accused him of being a criminal for years now. Yet, they haven't brought any charges. Why not??

The only two possibilities I can think of (neither of which are good) is that he's not actually a criminal and that the Democrats were lying, or that he is a criminal but the Justice Department is choosing not to pursue it.




It's also not good when large groups of brainwashed people can't see when they are clearly, blatantly, and obviously exhibiting a lot of the same characteristics that they attack the other side for exhibiting.

[XU_Lou]

He simply explained the parameters of the what the sentence will be for someone who pleads guilty to that particular crime.

I'm sorry that the point went over your head, or that apparently it also has to be explained to you. There is a two-tiered justice system that is growing in this country. If you commit a crime as a conservative/Republican, you get the book thrown at you. If you are a Democrat, or a BLM/Antifa activist, and commit a similar crime - or even a far worse crime, you walk free. There are dozens and dozens of examples. Free speech for Conservatives and Republicans is rapidly declining in almost all walks of life. Again, I'm sorry you're not aware of this, but that likely speaks to your news sources.

I just saw this. Is this the country you want to live in?:

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/americas-first-mom-raided-fbi-october-4th-doj-memorandum-she-fought-against-voter

[bobbiemcgee]

If you're news source is Lauren Boebert, you are truly a sick individual.

[XU_Lou]

If you're news source is Lauren Boebert, you are truly a sick individual.

She wasn't the news source.... she was the subject of that report, idiot...

Did she say anything that was untrue in that vid?

[Strange Brew]

If you're news source is Lauren Boebert, you are truly a sick individual.

Bobbie is anti-woman! Check your misogyny, oppressor!

[xubrew]

I'm sorry that the point went over your head, or that apparently it also has to be explained to you. There is a two-tiered justice system that is growing in this country. If you commit a crime as a conservative/Republican, you get the book thrown at you. If you are a Democrat, or a BLM/Antifa activist, and commit a similar crime - or even a far worse crime, you walk free. There are dozens and dozens of examples. Free speech for Conservatives and Republicans is rapidly declining in almost all walks of life. Again, I'm sorry you're not aware of this, but that likely speaks to your news sources.

I just saw this. Is this the country you want to live in?:

https://www.worldviewweekend.com/news/article/americas-first-mom-raided-fbi-october-4th-doj-memorandum-she-fought-against-voter

Aren't there like more than 20 people who are facing felony chargers for the riots in Portland? If they plead guilty or are convicted at trial, they'll face similar sentences.

Throwing a fit along the lines of "Well when WE riot, and assault police officers, and damage public property, WE get the book thrown at us!!" as if it's somehow a miscarriage of justice is a sure sign that you yourself are in fact brainwashed. That's not to say that many on the other side are not. But you absolutely are and you sound just as ridiculous.

[XU_Lou]

Aren't there like more than 20 people who are facing felony chargers for the riots in Portland? If they plead guilty or are convicted at trial, they'll face similar sentences.

Throwing a fit along the lines of "Well when WE riot, and assault police officers, and damage public property, WE get the book thrown at us!!" as if it's somehow a miscarriage of justice is a sure sign that you yourself are in fact brainwashed. That's not to say that many on the other side are not. But you absolutely are and you sound just as ridiculous.

Again, you've purposely or not have failed to grasp my point.

"20 people who are facing felony chargers for the riots in Portland" ---- Out of how many thousands that destroyed federal and state properties, and were responsible for how many billions of dollars in damages?

Here's some reality:

From the NYT: "Now, more than five months later, as Mr. Kaufmann’s case and those of thousands of others finally land in courts across the United States, a vast majority of cases against protesters are being dismissed."

"In the aftermath, prosecutors declined to pursue many of the cases because they concluded that the protesters were exercising their basic civil rights. Cases involving free speech or free assembly rarely succeed in court, according to prosecutors across the country"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/protests-lawsuits-arrests.html

From Politico: "Federal prosecutors’ show of leniency for some defendants charged in the long-running unrest in the streets of Portland could have an impact on similar criminal cases stemming from the Capitol riot, lawyers say."

"The arrangements — known as deferred resolution agreements — will leave the defendants with a clean criminal record if they stay out of trouble for a period of time"

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/14/portland-capitol-riot-cases-481346

"HUNDREDS of Black Lives Matter protesters who were arrested for looting, vandalising and rioting across New York have had their charges dropped": https://www.the-sun.com/news/3123181/hundreds-blm-rioters-looters-vandals-charges-dropped/

Charges against hundreds of NYC rioters, looters have been dropped: https://nypost.com/2021/06/20/hundreds-of-nyc-rioters-looters-have-charges-dropped/

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/10/06/felony-batter-charge-dropped-against-blm-protestor-jamie-bullock

https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/iowa-judge-tosses-nine-felony-charges-against-black-lives-matter-leader/

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-declines-to-prosecute-70-of-portland-protest-cases.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost-half-of-federal-cases-against-portland-rioters-have-been-dismissed-11618501979

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/909245646/review-of-federal-charges-in-portland-unrest-show-most-are-misdemeanors

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/george-floyd-protesters-arrests/

Do you recall the FBI breaking into the homes in dawn raids to arrest any of the BLM/Antifa thugs? Where's the leniency shown to BLM/Antifa rioters for the Republicans who simply walked into the halls of Congress (41 months for trespassing, c'mon man!)? Were any of the BLM/Antifa rioters placed in solitary confinement for even just a day, not 10 months like those who were "exercising their free speech" on 1/6/21?

[xubrew]

Again, you've purposely or not have failed to grasp my point.

"20 people who are facing felony chargers for the riots in Portland" ---- Out of how many thousands that destroyed federal and state properties, and were responsible for how many billions of dollars in damages?

Here's some reality:

From the NYT: "Now, more than five months later, as Mr. Kaufmann’s case and those of thousands of others finally land in courts across the United States, a vast majority of cases against protesters are being dismissed."

"In the aftermath, prosecutors declined to pursue many of the cases because they concluded that the protesters were exercising their basic civil rights. Cases involving free speech or free assembly rarely succeed in court, according to prosecutors across the country"

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/19/us/protests-lawsuits-arrests.html

From Politico: "Federal prosecutors’ show of leniency for some defendants charged in the long-running unrest in the streets of Portland could have an impact on similar criminal cases stemming from the Capitol riot, lawyers say."

"The arrangements — known as deferred resolution agreements — will leave the defendants with a clean criminal record if they stay out of trouble for a period of time"

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/14/portland-capitol-riot-cases-481346

"HUNDREDS of Black Lives Matter protesters who were arrested for looting, vandalising and rioting across New York have had their charges dropped": https://www.the-sun.com/news/3123181/hundreds-blm-rioters-looters-vandals-charges-dropped/

Charges against hundreds of NYC rioters, looters have been dropped: https://nypost.com/2021/06/20/hundreds-of-nyc-rioters-looters-have-charges-dropped/

https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/news/2021/10/06/felony-batter-charge-dropped-against-blm-protestor-jamie-bullock

https://www.thegazette.com/crime-courts/iowa-judge-tosses-nine-felony-charges-against-black-lives-matter-leader/

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/10/multnomah-county-da-declines-to-prosecute-70-of-portland-protest-cases.html

https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost-half-of-federal-cases-against-portland-rioters-have-been-dismissed-11618501979

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/05/909245646/review-of-federal-charges-in-portland-unrest-show-most-are-misdemeanors

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/investigations/george-floyd-protesters-arrests/

Do you recall the FBI breaking into the homes in dawn raids to arrest any of the BLM/Antifa thugs? Where's the leniency shown to BLM/Antifa rioters for the Republicans who simply walked into the halls of Congress (41 months for trespassing, c'mon man!)? Were any of the BLM/Antifa rioters placed in solitary confinement for even just a day, not 10 months like those who were "exercising their free speech" on 1/6/21?

I understand your point just fine. I think everyone does. Just because people think you and your points are completely jaded doesn't mean they don't understand them.

To me, all you're doing is singing different lyrics to the same rhythm. You really are a lot like the radical left. They say they're the ones being targeted by the police, and that when they protest they're dealt with much more severely, and had it been a leftist group that protested at the capitol that law enforcement would have responded with much more force and had more officers on hand to deal with it, and that when BLM protests there is a much bigger police presence than there ever was at the capitol.

You sound exactly the same! You latch on to any piece of media, or really anything at all, that's in line with what you think and feel without even considering doing any sort of vetting, and then completely disregard anything that disputes it as either being fake or ignorant. You're the same as the radical left. That's MY point!! And, I really don’t have to say all that much to make that point because you continue to further it every time you post. Now I don't expect you to realize that because, like the majority of the fanatical radical left, you've been brainwashed.

[XU_Lou]

I understand your point just fine. I think everyone does. Just because people think you and your points are completely jaded doesn't mean they don't understand them.

To me, all you're doing is singing different lyrics to the same rhythm. You really are a lot like the radical left. They say they're the ones being targeted by the police, and that when they protest they're dealt with much more severely, and had it been a leftist group that protested at the capitol that law enforcement would have responded with much more force and had more officers on hand to deal with it, and that when BLM protests there is a much bigger police presence than there ever was at the capitol.

You sound exactly the same! You latch on to any piece of media, or really anything at all, that's in line with what you think and feel without even considering doing any sort of vetting, and then completely disregard anything that disputes it as either being fake or ignorant. You're the same as the radical left. That's MY point!! And, I really don’t have to say all that much to make that point because you continue to further it every time you post. Now I don't expect you to realize that because, like the majority of the fanatical radical left, you've been brainwashed.

A lot of conjecture in here, and a lot of false points and ignorance of facts.

[Xville]

I understand your point just fine. I think everyone does. Just because people think you and your points are completely jaded doesn't mean they don't understand them.

To me, all you're doing is singing different lyrics to the same rhythm. You really are a lot like the radical left. They say they're the ones being targeted by the police, and that when they protest they're dealt with much more severely, and had it been a leftist group that protested at the capitol that law enforcement would have responded with much more force and had more officers on hand to deal with it, and that when BLM protests there is a much bigger police presence than there ever was at the capitol.

You sound exactly the same! You latch on to any piece of media, or really anything at all, that's in line with what you think and feel without even considering doing any sort of vetting, and then completely disregard anything that disputes it as either being fake or ignorant. You're the same as the radical left. That's MY point!! And, I really don’t have to say all that much to make that point because you continue to further it every time you post. Now I don't expect you to realize that because, like the majority of the fanatical radical left, you've been brainwashed.

Wasting time…guy is a complete nut job that has zero self awareness

[XU_Lou]

Wasting time…guy is a complete nut job that has zero self awareness

The coward comes out once again to butt in on something that has nothing to do with him.

You're so fucking smart Vile, I'm surprised you would even lower yourself with your presence on this board:


Out of curiosity do you have any hard data regarding the PHD statement you made? Oh and just saying.... people with PHDs can still be dumb idiots. Most of my teachers in high school and college were

[Xville]

Point further made. Sorry to interrupt…Back to you beating off to your own radical thoughts

[XU_Lou]

Vile is so fucking smart he's invented his own vocabulary:


Not speaking to this particular link as misinformation persay just that most of his posts are and when they aren’t they are full of commentary like this one that does not line up. Not sure how you find a bunch of opinionated commentary informative.

I have a major issue with his cowardice, his refusal to apologize, and the way he won’t accept being wrong in instances where it’s clearly true that he is.

[bobbiemcgee]

Bobbie is anti-woman! Check your misogyny, oppressor!

I am anti-ignorant woman.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wasting time…guy is a complete nut job that has zero self awareness

Pigpen - clouds of dirt follow him around.

[Smails]

If you're news source is Lauren Boebert, you are truly a sick individual.

*your

[Smails]

Not guilty on all counts...get the popcorn out.

[Muskie in dayton]

Not guilty on all counts...get the popcorn out.
I believe Nick Sandman may have an attorney referral for Kyle. Media, get your checkbooks out.

[bobbiemcgee]

Not guilty on all counts...get the popcorn out.

The jury got it right under whiskey law. Wonder if crowdsource will get his 2 m bond back.

[Strange Brew]

I believe Nick Sandman may have an attorney referral for Kyle. Media, get your checkbooks out.

Nick and Kyle may end up the de facto owners of CNN.