Politics Thread

[bobbiemcgee]

trump imposed the sanctions that causing all the trouble. Did you approve? Do you hate Biden as a Dem now that he hasn't lifted it?

[Strange Brew]

trump imposed the embargo that causing all the trouble. Did you approve? Do you hate Biden as a Dem now that he hasn't lifted it?

Agree with the embargo and Communism is the cause of all this. Simple enough?

[Masterofreality]

https://cri.fiu.edu/us-cuba/chronology-of-us-cuba-relations/
trump imposed the embargo that causing all the trouble. Did you approve? Do you hate Biden as a Dem now that he hasn't lifted it?

Are you serious or just abjectly stooopid?
John F. Kennedy imposed the embargo on Cuba in 1962, and it remains in place today.
The only thing Trump did was reimpose *some* travel restrictions, which were minor.
Damn those pesky facts.

[Masterofreality]

Why not? They're illegal aliens. Double standard?

Cubans are legitimate victims of Socialist/Communist/Marxist rule, and as such are full candidates for Asylum. Cuba has not had a free election since 1958.
You cannot be serious with this line.

[bobbiemcgee]

"economiic asphyxiation" call it what you want:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/07/12/heres-why-cubans-are-protesting---and-why-the-us-response-is-so-important/?sh=186d34e961ec

[bobbiemcgee]

Cubans are legitimate victims of Socialist/Communist/Marxist rule, and as such are full candidates for Asylum. Cuba has not had a free election since 1958. ( their fault, get rid of Leaders like they did Battista)
You cannot be serious with this line.

So we have to give asylum to every commie nation? Get you inner tube and bring them all to Cleveland for all I care.

[bobbiemcgee]

So we have to give asylum to every commie nation? Get you inner tube and bring them all to Cleveland for all I care.

Congrats on the name calling again. You should get Carnegie's book.

[Strange Brew]

"economiic asphyxiation" call it what you want:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/07/12/heres-why-cubans-are-protesting---and-why-the-us-response-is-so-important/?sh=186d34e961ec

Utter garbage. Cuba can trade with just about any other nation. It’s struggling because Communism is a garbage economic and human rights system that always fails and leads to oppression.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, Forbes has always been a bastion of the left lol

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, Forbes has always been a bastion of the left lol

Lol, the author failed to mention Cuba can trade with other powers. Lol, is right.

[bobbiemcgee]

Lol, the author failed to mention Cuba can trade with other powers. Lol, is right.

So why are they whining? Do it.

[Masterofreality]

Congrats on the name calling again. You should get Carnegie's book.

A descriptive adjective is not a name. When you put out a patently false statement trying to win an argument, which statement is obviously false to everyone, that is stoopid. I question whether you actually achieved a Xavier education.
A failure in History and a Failure in English. Wow.

[Masterofreality]

So why are they whining? Do it.

So, where is their protector Mother Russia in all of this economic turmoil? Oh, that’s right. They’re failed Communist-esque too!!!
If their system worked, they could help.

[bobbiemcgee]

A descriptive adjective is not a name. When you put out a patently false statement trying to win an argument, which statement is obviously false to everyone, that is stoopid. I question whether you actually achieved a Xavier education.
A failure in History and a Failure in English. Wow.

More insults. Nobody is going to win an argument with someone who failed 3rd grade spelling. I express my opinions, if you don't like them, who the F cares? I'm just one of the 81,000,000 Americans who don't happen to subscribe to your whacko political views. Get over it. And I didn't need any history book about the embargo, I watched it on TV in HS.

[Masterofreality]

More insults. Nobody is going to win an argument with someone who failed 3rd grade spelling. I express my opinions, if you don't like them, who the F cares? I'm just one of the 81,000,000 Americans who don't happen to subscribe to your whacko political views. Get over it. And I didn't need any history book about the embargo, I watched it on TV in HS.

Brother you are the one that said that Cuba was hurt because of an embargo that Trump imposed. He didn’t. And what you said was not an “opinion”.
After seeing this first 6 months disaster of an administration, how many of those “alleged” 81 million have already changed over?
And now the Fed Government is Big Brothering free speech on Social media platforms according to Psaki and Biden. The exact same censoring that Hitler, Russia, China and Cuba use. I guess you are just fine with that. Since this a social media platform, I guess I’d better get ready to be banned off “all social media platforms” after this one according to Psaki. You’re freedoms are going away Bobbie. Hope you enjoy this crapshow

[bobbiemcgee]

Yes, I made a mistake saying "embargo" when I meant "trump sanctions" (1/11/2021) on tourism, food, medicine". No reason for you to go ballistic and give me crap about my involvement @ XU. I've worked hard for Xavier over the years and have done 20-25 College Nights in 2 different cities handing out tons of info to prospective students, answering questions about everything X. I have a box full of plaques, proclamations and letters from Xavier staff thanking me for my volunteering efforts and financial contributions. The box is going to the recycle bin soon. I was asked to do a Tele-Graham for Father Graham's retirement which was my pleasure to do. So don't ever give me baloney about my "Xavier Education". I've supported X in every way for 57 years.
And, yeah, I probably wasn't the greatest student because I was working at the Norwood Fisher Plant making Camaro seats, Dana's, the XU grille, the Kroger Candy plant and a grain elevator in Sharonville while spending my summers at Quantico but it all seemed to work out for me.

[Masterofreality]

Bobbie totally deferring to nothing that matters because he is unable to defend this garbage Administration in Washington DC.
Both he and Paul who couldn’t stop posting about the previous President are now on mute.
Where have you gone? Your freedoms are wasting and inflationing away.

[bobbiemcgee]

We've explained it to you a 1,000 x but you still listen to the Orangeman, so it's futile.

[Strange Brew]

We've explained it to you a 1,000 x but you still listen to the Orangeman, so it's futile.

I'll take the previous Wharton School Orange Man over the near last in his class Orangeman.

[bobbiemcgee]

I'll take the previous Wharton School Orange Man over the near last in his class Orangeman.

How would you know? He threatened to sue anyone who released his transcripts after demanding Obama release his.

[Strange Brew]

How would you know? He threatened to sue anyone who released his transcripts after demanding Obama release his.

Bobbie. I really don’t care. It was a joke.

[bobbiemcgee]

Bobbie. I really don’t care. It was a joke.

I agree. He was.

[Strange Brew]

I agree. He was.

Clever…..

At some point Bobbie you’re going to have to realize that many Trump voters are/weren’t voting for him out of an adherence to a “cult of personality”. If you look at the policies and not the person you’ll gain a better understanding of what is going on.

Yes he’s:
Orange
Brash
Arrogant
Sleazy
Rich
Etc

Doesn’t matter anymore to many Rs and never really did to most Ls. I’m sure that is frustrating to most who think like you. The Left used to be able to smear the morals of an R candidate to lose the Evangelicals and the old school country club right. That doesn’t work anymore as we’re onto it.

So continue with the Orangeman, bitter clinger, denier comments because we know that’s all ya got since the policies of the Left are hot garbage and impractical. This is why Leftist policies are so popular they’re mandatory.

[bobbiemcgee]

"Hoax" hannity loves the vaccine (did he check with drumpf first?), two more drumpf cronies arrested and charged, or we say....Tuesday.

NM...backtracked after Murdock pressure.

[Strange Brew]

"Hoax" hannity loves the vaccine (did he check with drumpf first?), two more drumpf cronies arrested and charged, or we say....Tuesday.

That's neat Bobbie. Thanks for the update.

[Strange Brew]

So the Senate brought a bill to the floor that hasn’t been fully written yet? Genius.

[noteggs]

So the Senate brought a bill to the floor that hasn’t been fully written yet? Genius.

Just when you thought it couldn’t get worse with Pelosi stating “We need to pass the bill in order to find out what is in it” on the healthcare bill.

[bobbiemcgee]

Clever…..

At some point Bobbie you’re going to have to realize that many Trump voters are/weren’t voting for him out of an adherence to a “cult of personality”. If you look at the policies and not the person you’ll gain a better understanding of what is going on.

Yes he’s:
Orange
Brash
Arrogant
Sleazy
Rich
Etc
Abused 25 women
tax cheat
tax fraud
banned from ever running a charity due to fraud
scam Trump U
"supporters were hugging and kissing cops on 1/6"
Chronic and habitual Liar
"grab women by their pussies"
mexican "rapists and murderers"


Honestly, if you had a relative exhibiting these "qualities', you have them referred to mental health professionals. Do you really want a person like this running a country? Any country?

[Strange Brew]

Honestly, if you had a relative exhibiting these "qualities', you have them referred to mental health professionals. Do you really want a person like this running a country? Any country?

Why’d you bring up Bill Clinton? He wasn’t so bad as a POTUS either. Borderline personally? Sure.

[bobbiemcgee]

He wasn’t so bad as a POTUS either.

guess you liked 'policies'

[Strange Brew]

guess you liked 'policies'

Hey, hey! Progress! Yes and his SCOTUS nominations didn’t hurt either…

[bobbiemcgee]

well, drumpf will be back in the WH in a couple of weeks so hang in there.

[Strange Brew]

well, drumpf will be back in the WH in a couple of weeks so hang in there.

Doubtful but thanks for the well wishes!

[Muskie in dayton]

Honestly, if you had a relative exhibiting these "qualities', you have them referred to mental health professionals. Do you really want a person like this running a country? Any country?
Conversely, if you had a relative like Joe Biden, you have him committed to the memory care unit at the local nursing home.

I’ll take the POS asshole that proved an effective President. Four years of peace and prosperity, despite every effort to undermine him.

[bobbiemcgee]

Conversely, if you had a relative like Joe Biden, you have him committed to the memory care unit at the local nursing home. (Drumf just as old and has had plenty of gaffes)

I’ll take the POS asshole that proved an effective President. Four years of peace and prosperity, despite every effort to undermine him.

Keep giving money to his retirement fund that was supposed to fight for "Fraudits". 75m contributed by suckers.

Maybe you guys can start a new PAC'''''Re-elect our POS ASSHOLE ROPA. haha. Maybe get some bumper snickers ...

"I support the Piece of Shit Asshole trump...VOTE!!!!"

How about "MY Candidate is a POS Asshole" Vote for my asshole!!!" He'll bring peace of shit with him.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hey, hey! Progress! Yes and his SCOTUS nominations didn’t hurt either…

They voted against him after 60 defeats. Ha. Good.

[Strange Brew]

Keep giving money to his retirement fund that was supposed to fight for "Fraudits". 75m contributed by suckers.

Maybe you guys can start a new PAC'''''Re-elect our POS ASSHOLE ROPA. haha. Maybe get some bumper snickers ...

"I support the Piece of Shit Asshole trump...VOTE!!!!"

How about "MY Candidate is a POS Asshole" Vote for my asshole!!!" He'll bring peace of shit with him.

How about “you need a big a-hole to remove all the crap from DC” or “your vote is the laxative that allows the a-hole to the flush the crap from the system” :)

[paulxu]

You gotta give him credit though, for flushing the crap into his own bank accounts. He mastered that art.

[Strange Brew]

You gotta give him credit though, for flushing the crap into his own bank accounts. He mastered that art.

I know right? But he’s no Master Biden, Clinton or Obama. At least Trump was rich before “serving” the public.

[bobbiemcgee]

I know right? But he’s no Master Biden, Clinton or Obama. At least Trump was rich before “serving” the public.

Every President since Harry Truman were rich on book deals before and after. Harry just went home to Independence which is the way it should be.

[Strange Brew]

Every President since Harry Truman were rich on book deals before and after. Harry just went home to Independence which is the way it should be.

Trump lives in Fl (or frankly wherever the heck he wants to live. He’s filthy rich.) and the Obama’s/Clinton’s never left DC and neither will Biden. Heck, Obama built a sweet wall around his place which is really funny.

It’s adorable you think the Clintons got rich off of book deals.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump lives in Fl (or frankly wherever the heck he wants to live. He’s filthy rich.) and the Obama’s/Clinton’s never left DC and neither will Biden. Heck, Obama built a sweet wall around his place which is really funny.

It’s adorable you think the Clintons got rich off of book deals.

Bill 15m (19m today) Hillary 14m. You got to be kidding. Forbes said 38m for Bill.

[paulxu]

They should have owned some golf courses, clubs and hotels to bilk the public.
Or heck, maybe a fake university or bankrupt casinos.

[bobbiemcgee]

They should have owned some golf courses, clubs and hotels to bilk the public.
Or heck, maybe a fake university or bankrupt casinos.

and stiffed all the contractors along the way.

https://therealdeal.com/miami/2016/08/11/trumps-doral-resort-hit-with-23rd-lien-for-unpaid-renovation-work/

[Strange Brew]

They should have owned some golf courses, clubs and hotels to bilk the public.
Or heck, maybe a fake university or bankrupt casinos.

Failures happen but he did pretty well.

Trump U wasn’t what you think it was. It’s a business and real estate seminar and book series. He used his brand to make money. Kind of like a politician selling a book and giving paid speeches. And no one cares Paul.

[Strange Brew]

and stiffed all the contractors along the way.

https://therealdeal.com/miami/2016/08/11/trumps-doral-resort-hit-with-23rd-lien-for-unpaid-renovation-work/

Yep, don’t care. Sue him for the money if there’s a breach.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yep, don’t care. Sue him for the money if there’s a breach.

Yeah, screw all those morons, wasn't me.

[Strange Brew]

Bill 15m (19m today) Hillary 14m. You got to be kidding. Forbes said 38m for Bill.

How much is the “Foundation” worth?

Also, we’re the Clintons wealthy before Bill became Gov? Frankly, don’t care but I’m hoping you come up with something new or policy related when discussing Trump or any Republican.

How do you think the current President is doing? What policies do you like? Many of us would love to discuss that without whataboutisms from you and Paul.

[bobbiemcgee]

Failures happen but he did pretty well.

Huh? he had to give 90% of the money back. After his atty bill (which he probably didn't pay) and expenses way in the hole. Would you do business with this scumbag knowing you ain't getting paid??

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, screw all those morons, wasn't me.

No, if they have a case they should bring it and get paid. If not, this is silliness.

[Strange Brew]

Huh? he had to give 90% of the money back. After his atty bill (which he probably didn't pay) and expenses way in the hole. Would you do business with this scumbag knowing you ain't getting paid??

The casinos were failures and he lost. He’s had success in other areas and has done well for himself. Doesn’t bother me that’s he’s wealthy. Seems you only care how Rs get rich. Could be wrong though. Care to discuss anything other than your dislike of the former POTUS because we get that. You’ve been very clear.

[paulxu]

No, if they have a case they should bring it and get paid. If not, this is silliness.

Well, they did sue and there was a settlement that got some of their money back.
Whatever, and it is old news. Call it a "seminar" or a "university" it was a scam from the get go and a lot of people lost money.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-trumpuniversity-settlement/trump-university-settlement-now-final-as-objector-drops-appeal-idUSKBN1HG36V

[Strange Brew]

Well, they did sue and there was a settlement that got some of their money back.
Whatever, and it is old news. Call it a "seminar" or a "university" it was a scam from the get go and a lot of people lost money.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-trumpuniversity-settlement/trump-university-settlement-now-final-as-objector-drops-appeal-idUSKBN1HG36V

Frankly most accredited Universities could be sued on the same grounds for over charging for useless degrees these days. There were quite a few business book series in the past for people who didn’t want to go or pay for college for the papers on the wall. This discussion/media fervor is asinine at best and it is old news.

So the people got $25M back. More than fair considering no one forced them to buy into it and Trump wasn’t a politician at the time. I’m not even sure how much money he personally made from it. Coumo’s book on leadership is a bigger scam IMO.

[bobbiemcgee]

Coumo’s book on leadership is a bigger scam IMO.

Can't be a scam if people exercise their free will and buy it. Free enterprise. R's used to be for it.

[Strange Brew]

Can't be a scam if people exercise their free will and buy it. Free enterprise. R's used to be for it.

Just like Trump U.

[bobbiemcgee]

Just like Trump U.

Nope. Coumo didn't charge 35k for lessons, just a book like 'art of the deal'

[Strange Brew]

Nope. Coumo didn't charge 35k for lessons, just a book like 'art of the deal'

Did people exercise their free will to buy it?

[bobbiemcgee]

Did people exercise their free will to buy it?

sure, then they got screwed, according to the court.

[Strange Brew]

sure, then they got screwed, according to the court.

Ok. It was a settlement to make people feel whole for their disappointment. So what? Some people had buyer’s remorse and found a judge to give them money back.

What policies do you like? What would President Bobbies’s platform look like?

[Masterofreality]

How much is the “Foundation” worth?

Also, we’re the Clintons wealthy before Bill became Gov? Frankly, don’t care but I’m hoping you come up with something new or policy related when discussing Trump or any Republican.

How do you think the current President is doing? What policies do you like? Many of us would love to discuss that without whataboutisms from you and Paul.

See Brew. When you ask them a direct question on policy and what is currently going on in this mess, you never get an answer. They just deflect back to a guy who has been out of office for 6 months. It is truly amazing that some can’t live in and answer for today.

[paulxu]

How much is the “Foundation” worth?

Also, we’re the Clintons wealthy before Bill became Gov? Frankly, don’t care but I’m hoping you come up with something new or policy related when discussing Trump or any Republican.

How do you think the current President is doing? What policies do you like? Many of us would love to discuss that without whataboutisms from you and Paul.

I'll take this as a serious set of questions, although you don't want to discuss the last president who continues to stir unrest and hatred in our country, but want to know about a president from the last century.

The Clinton Foundation has assets of around 313 million in their last report. Unlike a hotel or golf course, to the best of my knowledge Bill, Hillary and Chelsea do not draw any money from the foundation. On a personal note I have a nephew who trained pediatricians in Rwanda under a grant from the Clinton Foundation/Harvard University.

According to multiple sources, the Clintons were worth $1.2 million when he took office, perhaps the lowest of any recent president.

I think Biden is doing a credible job under the circumstances. I like his approach to getting all of America vaccinated so we can get back to work in a normal fashion.
I'm in favor of investing in infrastructure that is long overdue for our nation, and revamping some of the tax code.
He's got major challenges with the opposition (apparently) deciding to block anything from the Democrats as they did under Obama for position rather than legislative efforts to help the country.
And I like the calmness that he brings to the office after 4 years of histrionics that did not serve us well.

[Strange Brew]

I'll take this as a serious set of questions, although you don't want to discuss the last president who continues to stir unrest and hatred in our country, but want to know about a president from the last century.

The Clinton Foundation has assets of around 313 million in their last report. Unlike a hotel or golf course, to the best of my knowledge Bill, Hillary and Chelsea do not draw any money from the foundation. On a personal note I have a nephew who trained pediatricians in Rwanda under a grant from the Clinton Foundation/Harvard University.

According to multiple sources, the Clintons were worth $1.2 million when he took office, perhaps the lowest of any recent president.

I think Biden is doing a credible job under the circumstances. I like his approach to getting all of America vaccinated so we can get back to work in a normal fashion.
I'm in favor of investing in infrastructure that is long overdue for our nation, and revamping some of the tax code.
He's got major challenges with the opposition (apparently) deciding to block anything from the Democrats as they did under Obama for position rather than legislative efforts to help the country.
And I like the calmness that he brings to the office after 4 years of histrionics that did not serve us well.

I really don’t want to discuss past Presidents. Bobbie brought up something specific about POTUS’ since Truman and I responded.

I don’t care that Trump is wealthy from real estate and golf courses. If that bothers you that’s odd but I don’t care.

I don’t mind the push for vaccines but his hyperbolic approach and calling TX and others Neanderthals counters your histrionics comment. TX was right btw.
Infrastructure. Sure, let’s do CRA again. However much of what is being presented is not infrastructure.
I’m for tax reform too. I’d like a fair or flat tax to replace the current system.
The opposition. This isn’t new. Biden is being pulled hard Left and it’s hard to find common ground. I’d bring Trump’s opposition into this since you brought up Obama but that’s a circular pissing match.

Concerns about current policy:
Energy. What is wrong with an all of the above strategy?
Economics. Inflation will cause problems.
Jan 6th. The protestors who vandalized the Capitol, trespassed and assaulted officers should face trial. However, why no bail and the poor treatment. We can argue all day about what’s real when it comes to their treatment however this is out of the ordinary. Please don’t start about how bad Jan 6th was. It’s not the Civil War, 911 or whatever nonsense the POTUS says about it. Frankly I give him a pass because I don’t believe he’s aware of what he’s saying.

[paulxu]

It doesn't bother me that Trump owns golf courses and hotels. He's owned a lot of stuff over the years.
It bothers me that he used them with our tax dollars to enrich himself...something of a first for a president.

As to "no bail" for the Jan 6th people arrested, here are the stats as of yesterday:


My stats as of this morning on the status of Jan. 6 defendants:
- 66 in custody (a few are new arrests waiting for a detention hearing)
- 478* allowed to go home, with varying conditions
- 5 unknown (dockets aren't updated yet)
*This number includes people whose cases already resolved via plea deals and whose cases aren't pending anymore (Chris Kelly had charges dismissed + Joseph Barnes, who died), but reflects overall how many people have been allowed to go home compared to the total # arrested

[Strange Brew]

It doesn't bother me that Trump owns golf courses and hotels. He's owned a lot of stuff over the years.
It bothers me that he used them with our tax dollars to enrich himself...something of a first for a president.

As to "no bail" for the Jan 6th people arrested, here are the stats as of yesterday:


Source?

When we’re these numbers released? Many were hell’s without bail fo months. If it means this morning. I’d like to know how long people were held before deals.

[Smails]

I think Biden is doing a credible job under the circumstances. I like his approach to getting all of America vaccinated so we can get back to work in a normal fashion. .

Care to explain what his 'approach' to getting all of America vaccinated is? Is it rooted in policy, or are you referring to incoherent pleas being made at scripted town halls?

Classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faTYayPm39k

[paulxu]

Source?

When we’re these numbers released? Many were hell’s without bail fo months. If it means this morning. I’d like to know how long people were held before deals.

This legal reporter who has been following all the cases. I'm guessing they didn't just release 478 yesterday. Those that were held with no bail are done so under federal guidelines by the judges. Those that can be released, often with tracking devices, are.

https://twitter.com/ZoeTillman/status/1419670639762362374

[paulxu]

Care to explain what his 'approach' to getting all of America vaccinated is? Is it rooted in policy, or are you referring to incoherent pleas being made at scripted town halls?

As best I can tell he's making an effort to let the experts in the areas of infectious diseases and vaccines led the way, with the best information they have.
I prefer that approach, supporting it when he can by words and actions, than trying to project he is somehow more knowledgeable than the experts.

[bobbiemcgee]

Testimony today didn't sound like the "tourists" were "hugging and kissing" the cops. Keep 'em in jail.

[bobbiemcgee]

Care to explain what his 'approach' to getting all of America vaccinated is? Is it rooted in policy, or are you referring to incoherent pleas being made at scripted town halls?

Classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faTYayPm39k

Drumpf matches him gaffe for gaffe. My favorite "In 1775 they took over the AIRPORTS" lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc

[Strange Brew]

Testimony today didn't sound like the "tourists" were "hugging and kissing" the cops. Keep 'em in jail.

Does the defense get to cross?

No, Nancy, who was in charge of the Cap police at the time purge anyone who would question the narrative.

[Strange Brew]

Drumpf matches him gaffe for gaffe. My favorite "In 1775 they took over the AIRPORTS" lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc

So Biden is a dumb as Trump in your opinion. Ok, that’s progress.

[Strange Brew]

As best I can tell he's making an effort to let the experts in the areas of infectious diseases and vaccines led the way, with the best information they have.
I prefer that approach, supporting it when he can by words and actions, than trying to project he is somehow more knowledgeable than the experts.

So keep listening to people who keep changing their mind and have no responsibility for the outcome. It’s an opinion on policy I guess. Not Biden’s, doesn’t sound like he has a plan in your scenario.

[bobbiemcgee]

Does the defense get to cross?.

Haven't heard any defense. What you got?

[Strange Brew]

Haven't heard any defense. What you got?

Police removed the barricades and let them in. Video available
FBI informants and agents were involved. Testimony and video available
Calls for the Guard were ignored by Dems. Testimony available
The Cap police lied about the officer who died from a stroke. Why wouldn’t they lie about other assaults. Confirmed. Plausible and any good attorney would use this to cross the officers
Will they interview Babbitt’s killer? We know and it would give a view into the mindset and intention of the officers on that day.
If the protestors were protesting the police or Trump we’d know these answers.

Annnnnd the truth will be available in individuals trials of those charged. This theatre is humorous to intelligent people.

[bjf123]

Police removed the barricades and let them in. Video available
FBI informants and agents were involved. Testimony and video available
Calls for the Guard were ignored by Dems. Testimony available
The Cap police lied about the officer who died from a stroke. Why wouldn’t they lie about other assaults. Confirmed. Plausible and any good attorney would use this to cross the officers
Will they interview Babbitt’s killer? We know and it would give a view into the mindset and intention of the officers on that day.
If the protestors were protesting the police or Trump we’d know these answers.

Annnnnd the truth will be available in individuals trials of those charged. This theatre is humorous to intelligent people.

Don’t expect questions to be asked about any of those items. Why do you think Pelosi vetoed some of the Republicans for the committee? The ones on there won’t ask.


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[Strange Brew]

Don’t expect questions to be asked about any of those items. Why do you think Pelosi vetoed some of the Republicans for the committee? The ones on there won’t ask.


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I don’t but it’s funny to watch Nancy think she’s doing something important. Maybe she can bring that cartoon gavel to hearing. I might tune in if she bangs that thing like a child playing Whack a Mole.

[bobbiemcgee]

Police removed the barricades and let them in. Video available
FBI informants and agents were involved. Testimony and video available
Calls for the Guard were ignored by Dems. Testimony available
The Cap police lied about the officer who died from a stroke. Why wouldn’t they lie about other assaults. Confirmed. Plausible and any good attorney would use this to cross the officers
Will they interview Babbitt’s killer? We know and it would give a view into the mindset and intention of the officers on that day.
If the protestors were protesting the police or Trump we’d know these answers.

Annnnnd the truth will be available in individuals trials of those charged. This theatre is humorous to intelligent people.

9000 terrorists against 200 cops. Sure.

[Strange Brew]

9000 terrorists against 200 cops. Sure.

Check you premise and come back after you’ve thought this through.

[bobbiemcgee]

Police removed the barricades and let them in. Video available (9000 terrorists 200 cops barriers didn't matter)
FBI informants and agents were involved. Testimony and video available where? some righty rag?
Calls for the Guard were ignored by Dems. Testimony available (why would they need to call the guard? oh yeah, terrorists storming the capitol!!!)
The Cap police lied about the officer who died from a stroke. ( they beat the shit outta him and he had a stroke later...plausible) Why wouldn’t they lie about other assaults. Confirmed. Plausible and any good attorney would use this to cross the officers
Will they interview Babbitt’s killer?( what they gonna say? Anarchist tried to enter the chamber. I shot her) We know and it would give a view into the mindset and intention of the officers on that day.( they intention was to save lives from the idiots storming the capitol and attempting to overthrow the gov't)
If the protestors were protesting the police or Trump we’d know these answers.

Annnnnd the truth will be available in individuals trials of those charged. This theatre is humorous to intelligent people.(glad you think killing and maiming cops is ssoooo funny)

..........

[bobbiemcgee]

How that truth being available work out for the Qanon Shaman. He doing 8 months. haha.

[Masterofreality]

I think Biden is doing a credible job under the circumstances. I like his approach to getting all of America vaccinated so we can get back to work in a normal fashion.
I'm in favor of investing in infrastructure that is long overdue for our nation, and revamping some of the tax code.
He's got major challenges with the opposition (apparently) deciding to block anything from the Democrats as they did under Obama for position rather than legislative efforts to help the country.
And I like the calmness that he brings to the office after 4 years of histrionics that did not serve us well.

A “credible job”? Biden missed, and continues to miss, his own, admittedly low, vaccination percentage of 70%. Only 49% of the country is fully vaccinated and it’s not just rubes. People of color are staying away from the vax in droves- probably because Harris said last year that she wouldn’t take a vaccine developed under Trump. Biden cast doubts on it too. In fact Biden campaigned on the statement that he would “Shut down the virus”. Welp. He’s done zero and now they are trying to impose mask mandates again. What is so damn credible?
Inflation, shortages, paying people not to work, a border that is a sieve- with, hmmmmm, 50,000 non vaxxed illegal immigrants allowed in then bussed to who knows where so they aren’t in “cages”.
Don’t even get me started on this Critical Race Theory grift.
Biden campaigned as a unifier. All he has done is divide and living off division and a friendly non-questioning media.
That is not credible and the “histrionics” of the previous four years can be attributed to Adam Schiff & Pelosi. Impeachments over nothing. Meanwhile Hunter’s bankroll is fattened by China

[Masterofreality]

As best I can tell he's making an effort to let the experts in the areas of infectious diseases and vaccines led the way, with the best information they have.
I prefer that approach, supporting it when he can by words and actions, than trying to project he is somehow more knowledgeable than the experts.

Biden allowed the National Association of Teachers to basically write the CDC recommendation on student attendance and masking. Teachers are not science experts. Those recommendations are not based on “Science” . And they got called on it.
Biden is being led by a bunch of agenda driven progressives. He barely knows what day it is. This is not leadership.

[bobbiemcgee]

Still at 55% approval. How's drumpf doing?

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=Masterofreality;706735]A “credible job”? Biden missed, and continues to miss, his own, admittedly low, vaccination percentage of 70%. Only 49% of the country is fully vaccinated and it’s not just rubes. /QUOTE]

Only 46% in Ohio. Better call your pub Gov.

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=Masterofreality;706735]A “credible job”? Biden missed, and continues to miss, his own, admittedly low, vaccination percentage of 70%. Only 49% of the country is fully vaccinated and it’s not just rubes. /QUOTE]

Only 46% in Ohio. Better call your pub Gov.

In fairness, we’re only at 56% fully vaccinated. Please don’t contact Polis. It’s better if he does nothing. :)

[paulxu]

There could have been a joint Senate committee with equal powers of subpoena, etc.
But Republicans didn't want it. So, they get a House Select Committee.
Whatever happens I hope we don't forget this assault on our democracy, and that reasonable people prevail to prevent it from happening again.

[Strange Brew]

There could have been a joint Senate committee with equal powers of subpoena, etc.
But Republicans didn't want it. So, they get a House Select Committee.
Whatever happens I hope we don't forget this assault on our democracy, and that reasonable people prevail to prevent it from happening again.

I know. I can’t believe nothing was done about the assault on the WH in 2020 (50 Secret Service agents injured). Oh, you were talking about something different?

Those people have been/are in jail or are awaiting trial.

[Smails]

Drumpf matches him gaffe for gaffe. My favorite "In 1775 they took over the AIRPORTS" lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MyLwAokINc

Trump is not the President anymore, but at least you can admit that Biden and Trump are similar that way. You're getting there, bud.

[Smails]

.(glad you think killing and maiming cops is ssoooo funny).

Who killed Cops? Are you just making things up again?

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump is not the President anymore, but at least you can admit that Biden and Trump are similar that way. You're getting there, bud.

Yes. If you are talking to the press all day, every day, it's inevitable. Never said one was worse than the other.

[Smails]

Yes. If you are talking to the press all day, every day, it's inevitable. Never said one was worse than the other.

But Biden doesn't talk to the press all day, every day. Trump did that. Biden pops his head up about every 5 days, says something completely whacked out and then goes back into hiding. At least Trump stood up in front of the press corps and took the grenades that were constantly being thrown at him.

How do you think Biden would do if someone like Jim Ocosta were allowed to go at him they way he did Trump? He would wilt like a flower in the desert and you know that. Biden has been treated with kid gloves and he still comes off like a stuttering buffoon every time he opens his mouth..literally every time. Trump was not a good orator (really bad) but he looks like Daniel Webster compared to the dude in the White House right now.

[bobbiemcgee]

drumpf went 300 days without a press briefing. What about Peter Douchebag? Same thing.

[bjf123]

drumpf went 300 days without a press briefing. What about Peter Douchebag? Same thing.

He didn’t need to have a press briefing by someone else each day. He was his own press briefing.


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[paulxu]

Who knew that twitter was a press conference.

[Strange Brew]

Who knew that twitter was a press conference.

It’s better. B. Clinton and Reagan would’ve had a field day with it as POTUS.

Perot might’ve won as he could reach more people without the media filters/barriers. Whole new world Boomer. :)

[Masterofreality]

[QUOTE=Masterofreality;706735]A “credible job”? Biden missed, and continues to miss, his own, admittedly low, vaccination percentage of 70%. Only 49% of the country is fully vaccinated and it’s not just rubes. /QUOTE]

Only 46% in Ohio. Better call your pub Gov.

According to the latest CDC map, Colorado has 0% vaccinated. What is your Democratic Governor hiding?
There is zero data. Are illegal immigrants that are flooding across the border- and are non vaxxed- being bussed into CO and the government is covering that up?
Why no data?

By the way. Ohio doesn’t meet the threshold of cases needed for mask re-imposition.
So where is the problem with our ‘Pub Governor?

[Strange Brew]

[QUOTE=bobbiemcgee;706743]

According to the latest CDC map, Colorado has 0% vaccinated. What is your Democratic Governor hiding?
There is zero data. Are illegal immigrants that are flooding across the border- and are non vaxxed- being bussed into CO and the government is covering that up?
Why no data?

By the way. Ohio doesn’t meet the threshold of cases needed for mask re-imposition.
So where is the problem with our ‘Pub Governor?

I was able to find the figures from CO. Also, I personally know it’s not 0%. What’s 1/5,700,000? :)

But I get your points and the OH rebuttal. :)

[bobbiemcgee]

Not too hard to find:

54.59%


https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

[Strange Brew]

Not too hard to find:

54.59%


https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

Dang Bobbie, I found 56%. Hope we’re not going backward. :)

[Masterofreality]

Not too hard to find:

54.59%


https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-population-vaccinated-march-15.html

So that means that Blue State Colorado is dragging down Biden. Way below that 70% goal.
What’s wrong out there Bobbie??? That’s horrible! Marginally better than Ohio but still lousy.
Maybe it’s not about political party but Kamala & Biden’s lousy messaging?

[Strange Brew]

So that means that Blue State Colorado is dragging down Biden. Way below that 70% goal.
What’s wrong out there Bobbie??? That’s horrible! Marginally better than Ohio but still lousy.
Maybe it’s not about political party but Kamala & Biden’s lousy messaging?

Denver and Boulder counties are deeeeep blue. The rest are purple or red. But, it's Bobert's fault.

[bobbiemcgee]

60.5% have at least one shot. Pretty good: Ohio 49%

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/colorado

Boebert's counties...not so good.

[Strange Brew]

60.5% have at least one shot. Pretty good: Ohio 49%

https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/state/colorado

Boebert's counties...not so good.

Haha, I wouldn't expect Bobert's district to do much of anything the Feds want. :)

[Muskie in dayton]

Ironic that Biden is asking Cuomo to resign for inappropriate touching.

[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, ol' "grab 'em by the pussy" would never treat women like that.

[Masterofreality]

Yeah, ol' "grab 'em by the pussy" would never treat women like that.

Do you support “Me Too?” Live in the present, not the past.
All this “Calling for Resignation” is performative. No New York Legislator, or National Dem like Biden or Schumer, has the balls to call for and vote for IMPEACHMENT. See, that would make them put their names on real action.
What is your position on Cuomo, Bobbie? Don’t deflect..

[paulxu]

All this “Calling for Resignation” is performative. No New York Legislator, or National Dem like Biden or Schumer, has the balls to call for and vote for IMPEACHMENT. See, that would make them put their names on real action.


National leaders (Biden/Schumer) can't vote for Cuomo's "impeachment. That would be the job of the NY state legislature.
Both of them have called on Cuomo to resign.
NY legislators have called for impeachment if he doesn't resign.


In a statement, fellow Westchester lawmaker Amy Paulin, D-Scarsdale, said: Cuomo "needs to resign now, and if that does not happen, we in the Assembly must begin impeachment proceedings."

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/03/cuomo-impeach-resign-future-ag-report-sexual-harassment/5477222001/

[Masterofreality]

National leaders (Biden/Schumer) can't vote for Cuomo's "impeachment. That would be the job of the NY state legislature.
Both of them have called on Cuomo to resign.
NY legislators have called for impeachment if he doesn't resign.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/03/cuomo-impeach-resign-future-ag-report-sexual-harassment/5477222001/


Of course I know that. Talk is cheap. But Biden & Schumer could call for Impeachment.
They seem to want to use that word a lot with no success. Now they forgot the word?

By the way. How’s ya boy Biden doing on “Shutting down the virus” like he campaigned on. Oh and “The Border is closed, don’t come”? Seems a little deficient in protecting the country, no?

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you support “Me Too?” Live in the present, not the past.
All this “Calling for Resignation” is performative. No New York Legislator, or National Dem like Biden or Schumer, has the balls to call for and vote for IMPEACHMENT. See, that would make them put their names on real action.
What is your position on Cuomo, Bobbie? Don’t deflect..

I agree with the nearly 100% consensus he should resign. We can only "deflect" when talking about Cuomo to Biden? Typical right position.

[Strange Brew]

I agree with the nearly 100% consensus he should resign. We can only "deflect" when talking about Cuomo to Biden? Typical right position.

Um, what?

[Masterofreality]

Since Paul was so concerned about all of the “Lies” from the previous President, I’m sure he will jump right in to rail against all of the true LIES told by President Biden so far. We’re only 7 months in. Quite the rate so far.
(I know this is National Review but it is 100% accurate. Second half of the article)

https://www.nationalreview.com/the-morning-jolt/the-intelligence-community-prepares-to-punt-on-covid-19s-origin/

[Masterofreality]

More Biden idiocy

https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-wants-opec-to-drill-oil-fossil-fuels-11628715632?st=zomn8jgklwct986&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[bobbiemcgee]

Don't worry. Biden will resign tmrw and find trump under the desk in the oval sleeping on a my pillow. Talk about idiots.

[paulxu]

He's going to have to hurry to catch 30,000+ in four years.

[Masterofreality]

He's going to have to hurry to catch 30,000+ in four years.

All we heard during Trump whenever somebody went back to talk why Obama was the same or worse was “Whataboutism”. Are we not doing that anymore?
Focus on today Paul as Lies continue, Biden takes an impromptu vacation while Pat Tillman’s legacy is dishonored and disrespected by the rout in Afghanistan.
What screwup in this Administration is going to finally wake you up Paul?
-Biden ain’t “shutting down the virus”
-Inflation still runs away
-Afghanistan disaster
-Border crisis with people sleeping on top of each other in warehouses, not vaxxed, not tested then bussed to Gawd knows where to spread.
-Gas prices off the pump.
-Biden shuts down American pipelines, fracking then asks OPEC to produce more. And gives Russia a pipeline pass? WTF?
I’m only getting started..

And this is just 8 months in. Talk about NOW Paul!

[Masterofreality]

Don't worry. Biden will resign tmrw and find trump under the desk in the oval sleeping on a my pillow. Talk about idiots.

Nah. They’ll find their “Kween Kamala” who has been disappeared off the radar over the last 3 weeks because she is a PR disaster. What happened to her and how is that Border Crisis Management going with her in charge???

[paulxu]

The Big Lie continues to inflame the base, all these months later.

Hopefully justice will one day catch up to the grifter. Read this to understand what we are still trying to recover from:

https://newrepublic.com/article/163115/donald-trump-plot-against-america

He almost got the Justice Department to help in his coup. Thankfully some stood up, as did the generals.

I'd focus on today's lies if these old ones would go away. Unfortunately they are still today's lies.

[Masterofreality]

The Big Lie continues to inflame the base, all these months later.

Hopefully justice will one day catch up to the grifter. Read this to understand what we are still trying to recover from:

https://newrepublic.com/article/163115/donald-trump-plot-against-america

He almost got the Justice Department to help in his coup. Thankfully some stood up, as did the generals.

I'd focus on today's lies if these old ones would go away. Unfortunately they are still today's lies.

This affects nothing about the country today. Stop deferring and deflecting. Talk about your guy’s performance.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-reinstatement-day-latest-failure-predictions-hell-resume-presidency-oust-biden-1619152

Wacko's from the right.

[paulxu]

This affects nothing about the country today. Stop deferring and deflecting. Talk about your guy’s performance.

That's exactly the problem...it does affect our country.
From the ongoing belief in the big lie fomenting unrest on the state level, to bogus claims about fraud needing constantly to be defended, to money spent on sham audits, to millions still being grifted from the hard core to support his life style, and on and and on.

Maybe someday the right will be rid of him and his corrosive influence. He fomented a mob to threaten our seat of democracy, and all you all can say is they must have been tourists.

I'm not afraid to admit that his influence on our system scares the sh$t out of me.

Biden's done some good things and some which are questionable. At least he's not on twitter every day blasting out nonsense, and is trying to do the job he was elected to do. Good or bad, I prefer it to someone who spent his days lying and playing golf, while billing the American taxpayer.

[Strange Brew]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-reinstatement-day-latest-failure-predictions-hell-resume-presidency-oust-biden-1619152

Wacko's from the right.

Neat. He’s an idiot for thinking Trump would be reinstated. Just like anyone who thought Joe would crush the virus.

[bjf123]

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-reinstatement-day-latest-failure-predictions-hell-resume-presidency-oust-biden-1619152

Wacko's from the right.

Wacko’s on both sides. This says a number of Biden supporters think Trump will be back in office sometime this year. The sad part is there are idiots on both sides who vote.

It’s more likely that I’ll shoot my age on the golf course tomorrow than there is of Trump being back in the White House this year.

https://www.newsweek.com/14-percent-biden-voters-say-trump-will-reinstated-president-this-year-poll-1618985


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[paulxu]

It’s more likely that I’ll shoot my age on the golf course tomorrow

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Good luck! You might easily shoot mine if you're a good golfer :)

[bjf123]

Good luck! You might easily shoot mine if you're a good golfer :)

I used to be decent, but almost 10 years of not playing has taken its toll. I just don’t see a 63 happening.


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[Masterofreality]

That's exactly the problem...it does affect our country.
From the ongoing belief in the big lie fomenting unrest on the state level, to bogus claims about fraud needing constantly to be defended, to money spent on sham audits, to millions still being grifted from the hard core to support his life style, and on and and on.

Maybe someday the right will be rid of him and his corrosive influence. He fomented a mob to threaten our seat of democracy, and all you all can say is they must have been tourists.

I'm not afraid to admit that his influence on our system scares the sh$t out of me.

Biden's done some good things and some which are questionable. At least he's not on twitter every day blasting out nonsense, and is trying to do the job he was elected to do. Good or bad, I prefer it to someone who spent his days lying and playing golf, while billing the American taxpayer.

Biden just takes vacations and lots of naps. Now he’s spending his days “on vacation” while his Afghanistan policy implodes and the Border is in crisis. Obama played golf too but at least he seemed to go to work like Trump did.
Nothing that has been accused of Trump has made any difference in how this country is operating. People who stormed the Capitol have been arrested as they should have and brought to Justice. Trump has not been arrested for any crime, only accused in a blatantly partisan attempt at impeachment. If he committed anything illegal, then bring him to justice too but your Pearl Clutching does nothing.

News flash. Despite dire warnings Trump was not reinstated today. The country is as it is. Still stuck with a guy who can’t control anything properly.

The stuff that Biden lies about and is screwing up is having huge consequences for this nation and threatening our National Security. Meanwhile Biden snores.

Please list those “Good Things” that Biden has done. I’m waiting.

[Strange Brew]

Biden just takes vacations and lots of naps. Now he’s spending his days “on vacation” while his Afghanistan policy implodes and the Border is in crisis. Obama played golf too but at least he seemed to go to work like Trump did.
Nothing that has been accused of Trump has made any difference in how this country is operating. People who stormed the Capitol have been arrested as they should have and brought to Justice. Trump has not been arrested for any crime, only accused in a blatantly partisan attempt at impeachment. If he committed anything illegal, then bring him to justice too but your Pearl Clutching does nothing.

News flash. Despite dire warnings Trump was not reinstated today. The country is as it is. Still stuck with a guy who can’t control anything properly.

The stuff that Biden lies about and is screwing up is having huge consequences for this nation and threatening our National Security. Meanwhile Biden snores.

Please list those “Good Things” that Biden has done. I’m waiting.

In case you missed it Schumer tried to bring the "Peoples Act" to the Senate floor at 3:30a this morning and pass it thru unanimous consent. Luckily Cruz showed up to block any advancement of the bill.

[paulxu]

I used to be decent, but almost 10 years of not playing has taken its toll. I just don’t see a 63 happening.


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Don't I wish. That's a decade plus in the rear view mirror.

[MADXSTER]

Good luck! You might easily shoot mine if you're a good golfer :)

Are you playing 18 or 9? :)

[bobbiemcgee]

In case you missed it Schumer tried to bring the "Peoples Act" to the Senate floor at 3:30a this morning and pass it thru unanimous consent. Luckily Cruz showed up to block any advancement of the bill.

Cruz showed up for something? Guess he was celebrating Reinstatement day. Or possibly National Kool-Aid day.
With the crisis in his home state, I'm sure he'll be on a plane to Cabo soon.

[Strange Brew]

Cruz showed up for something? Guess he was celebrating Reinstatement day. Or possibly National Kool-Aid day.
With the crisis in his home state, I'm sure he'll be on a plane to Cabo soon.

Well I guess he has to handle his home state and DC since Biden is doing an awful job everywhere.

[bjf123]

Are you playing 18 or 9? :)

Ouch!


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[bobbiemcgee]

Yeah, they really loaded up the clown car in TX with him and Abbott:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/142144931966980881/

Great job:


Hospitals jammed.
People freezing to death, burning their furniture. But 'ol Ted in Cancun lol. Maybe he can open an office there.

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/494129390373506808/

[bobbiemcgee]

Well I guess he has to handle his home state....

He skips 67% of his committee meetings. Doubtful he would show up. His father killed JFK, y'know.

[Xville]

Sad what is happening in Afghanistan. I don’t blame Biden or any other administration for it, really. I mean we were there for 18 years, how damn long did they need us to be there? Feel horrible for the military people that risked everything thinking they were making a difference. Feel horrible for the innocent people there whose way of life will go back to what it was before we got there.

[Strange Brew]

Sad what is happening in Afghanistan. I don’t blame Biden or any other administration for it, really. I mean we were there for 18 years, how damn long did they need us to be there? Feel horrible for the military people that risked everything thinking they were making a difference. Feel horrible for the innocent people there whose way of life will go back to what it was before we got there.

I don’t know Biden’s been VP or POTUS for half of the 18 years…

[Masterofreality]

I don’t know Biden’s been VP or POTUS for half of the 18 years…

…with a miserable exit “strategy”
On vacation while a country falls. Wow.

[Xville]

Sorry but we have been there for 18 effing years and it’s going to fall even before we are all gone. I blame the Afghan government and the Afghan military for that. I just feel bad for our soldiers who risked everything for what seems like absolutely nothing.

[Strange Brew]

Sorry but we have been there for 18 effing years and it’s going to fall even before we are all gone. I blame the Afghan government and the Afghan military for that. I just feel bad for our soldiers who risked everything for what seems like absolutely nothing.

Yep, definitely know there’s a D in the WH when comments like this pop up post a US debacle.

[paulxu]

Let's just ignore the fact that the prior administration signed a deal on behalf of our country with the Taliban, to leave by May 1st of this year.

[Xville]

Yep, definitely know there’s a D in the WH when comments like this pop up post a US debacle.

Meh. To be fair there is plenty of blame to go around. If you want to blame one person be my guest.

[Strange Brew]

Let's just ignore the fact that the prior administration signed a deal on behalf of our country with the Taliban, to leave by May 1st of this year.

Let’s ignore things have changed since Jan and Biden slept on vacation.

[Masterofreality]

Let's just ignore the fact that the prior administration signed a deal on behalf of our country with the Taliban, to leave by May 1st of this year.

But they didn’t pull all the troops out and were still negotiating terms based on Taliban behavior with benchmarks. Wasn’t a done deal.
Biden has been in office since January and set this date in May. Even Biden friendly CNN says he screwed up.
Worst of all is that Biden just up and left all the damn high tech weaponry there that is now in the hands of terrorists and can be sold to the Chinese to analyze our defenses. Trump can’t be blamed for that stupidity.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/bidens-afghanistan-exit-raises-questions-about-his-foreign-policy-record-11629035042

Oh, and this from the definitely not right wing Daily Beast:

“ The Afghan Air Force didn’t take flight because — God help us — Joe Biden refused to let outside maintenance crews into Afghanistan, effectively grounding the fleet.”

[bobbiemcgee]

It's been a clusterf since Tora Bora in 11/2001. Should have dropped an A Bomb on Binnie and called it a day. Perfectly justified imho after 9/11. Same with Hanoi.

[Masterofreality]

Biden’s Presidency is an abject disaster. America burns while he sleeps.

Still waiting for Paul to list all those “Good Things” that Joe Biden has done in his Presidency.
Trump is gone. Convicted of nothing. Talk about now Paul

[Smails]

I'm glad we are out of that shithole and it was always going to descend into chaos when we left...that part was a given.

That being said, this whole situation has been completely devoid leadership. How do you NOT address the American people while this is going on? How do you allow your press secretary to take a week off while the impact of your single-largest foreign policy decision plays out on television? Our president is weak.

[boozehound]

Sad what is happening in Afghanistan. I don’t blame Biden or any other administration for it, really. I mean we were there for 18 years, how damn long did they need us to be there? Feel horrible for the military people that risked everything thinking they were making a difference. Feel horrible for the innocent people there whose way of life will go back to what it was before we got there.


I'm glad we are out of that shithole and it was always going to descend into chaos when we left...that part was a given.

That being said, this whole situation has been completely devoid leadership. How do you NOT address the American people while this is going on? How do you allow your press secretary to take a week off while the impact of your single-largest foreign policy decision plays out on television? Our president is weak.

At least there are a few interesting and substantive posts in this idiot-fest of a thread, not just 'Trump did everything right and Biden screwed it up' or 'this is all Trump's fault'.

I agree with Smails - this was probably always going to happen, but it doesn't mean that Biden didn't screw it up pretty royally. The lack of visible leadership coupled with a poorly orchestrated exit is on the current administration. I realize that the Trump administration did some things that are contributing to the problems we are facing now, but you are the President. That fact that they seem so surprised by the rapid deterioration is concerning. I don't think the the Trump administration would have necessarily presided over a smooth and orderly exit, but I think it would have been better than this.

The bigger failure is the fact that in 18 years all we were able to accomplish was killing Bin Laden (which was awesome- don't get me wrong) and installing a government that was so obscenely corrupt and inept that it collapsed immediately upon our withdrawal. They had 18 years to stand up a semi-functional government and this is the best they could do. It just shows that withdrawal was the right thing to do, unless we wanted to stay there (literally) forever.

If anyone thinks this is a Democrat vs Republican thing, I think that they are a complete idiot. This is about America, or anybody else, trying to impose a Western style government on a people that are not equipped to live that way. The results were consistent across both Republican and Democratic administrations. We need to stop trying to do it.

[GoMuskies]

The fact that Biden disappeared to Camp David and his press secretary has her out of office email response on are just absolutely ridiculous.

[paulxu]

Biden’s Presidency is an abject disaster. America burns while he sleeps.

Still waiting for Paul to list all those “Good Things” that Joe Biden has done in his Presidency.
Trump is gone. Convicted of nothing. Talk about now Paul

Here's a recap through April for your reading enjoyment.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/26/evaluating-president-joe-bidens-first-100-days-off/

[Masterofreality]

Here's a recap through April for your reading enjoyment.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/26/evaluating-president-joe-bidens-first-100-days-off/

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/15/opinion/afghanistan-taliban-biden.html

[Strange Brew]

At least there are a few interesting and substantive posts in this idiot-fest of a thread, not just 'Trump did everything right and Biden screwed it up' or 'this is all Trump's fault'.

I agree with Smails - this was probably always going to happen, but it doesn't mean that Biden didn't screw it up pretty royally. The lack of visible leadership coupled with a poorly orchestrated exit is on the current administration. I realize that the Trump administration did some things that are contributing to the problems we are facing now, but you are the President. That fact that they seem so surprised by the rapid deterioration is concerning. I don't think the the Trump administration would have necessarily presided over a smooth and orderly exit, but I think it would have been better than this.

The bigger failure is the fact that in 18 years all we were able to accomplish was killing Bin Laden (which was awesome- don't get me wrong) and installing a government that was so obscenely corrupt and inept that it collapsed immediately upon our withdrawal. They had 18 years to stand up a semi-functional government and this is the best they could do. It just shows that withdrawal was the right thing to do, unless we wanted to stay there (literally) forever.

If anyone thinks this is a Democrat vs Republican thing, I think that they are a complete idiot. This is about America, or anybody else, trying to impose a Western style government on a people that are not equipped to live that way. The results were consistent across both Republican and Democratic administrations. We need to stop trying to do it.

The region is interesting as it’s proving you can’t conquer the ungovernable.

[Masterofreality]

Here's a recap through April for your reading enjoyment.

https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/apr/26/evaluating-president-joe-bidens-first-100-days-off/

1) Coronovirus Vaccine Distribution. Vaccine developed under Trump. Biden missed his own lowered vaccination goal of 70%. Only 1/3 of Blacks have been vaccinated. Biden was vaxxed under Trumps Admin. Zero credit.
2) American Rescue Act. Pork Barrell politics that A) Fueled big Inflation. B) Paid people to stay home from working and exacerbated shortages and inflation . This in the middle of an already recovering economy. Have you bought gas or tried to get a construction bid lately? Zero Credit
3) Paris Climate Accord Rejoin. Biden cut off US oil independence by banning the Keystone pipeline then gave the Russians their pipeline. THEN, he goes back and asks OPEC that THEY produce more oil. Still no strict requirements on China, the world’s biggest polluter. How’s that working out? Less than zero credit because our national Security is at stake.

By the way, the second Hundred Days have been worse, and deteriorating further.
Is this pleasureable reading for you Paul?

By the way, “Politifact” is actually a leftist leaning treasure trove of bias. Not exactly balanced.
Zero credit.

https://www.politifactbias.com/2021/08/politifacts-shell-game-with-claim.html

[XU_Lou]

Here's my question for Joe:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StIcRH_e6zQ

[XU_Lou]

“Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to fuck things up.”

-- Barrack Obama

[boozehound]

The region is interesting as it’s proving you can’t conquer the ungovernable.

The only government that seems to work in that region is a brutal dictatorship. There is little/no value in trying to depose one Dictator because you then either have to (1) try and fail to install another, more progressive, form of government or (2) deal with whatever other Dictator fills the power vacuum. I think (hope) we learned that lesson in Iraq.

I'm sure that there are people in that region who would like a different form of government, but there clearly aren't enough of them to make it happen, or to sustain it when a foreign entity makes it happen for them. Remember about 10 years ago during the Arab Spring when it was 'imminent' that Iran's regime would get overthrown and replaced with a more modern government? How did that work out?

[Strange Brew]

The only government that seems to work in that region is a brutal dictatorship. There is little/no value in trying to depose one Dictator because you then either have to (1) try and fail to install another, more progressive, form of government or (2) deal with whatever other Dictator fills the power vacuum. I think (hope) we learned that lesson in Iraq.

I'm sure that there are people in that region who would like a different form of government, but there clearly aren't enough of them to make it happen, or to sustain it when a foreign entity makes it happen for them. Remember about 10 years ago during the Arab Spring when it was 'imminent' that Iran's regime would get overthrown and replaced with a more modern government? How did that work out?

Iran is a very different animal. It's had Secular/modern governments in the past. Stan is a tribal region which throughout history has rarely had a ruling central authority. It's similar to North America pre colonialism. Similar peoples loosely affiliated against outsiders however internally territorial and Nationalistic.

[Strange Brew]

Important to remember that Biden broke the deal with the Taliban to withdraw on May 1st. This allowed the Taliban to break it's agreement with the US and they began to take territory. It's an absolute disaster and to make it worse the Taliban has seized US heavy military equipment and advanced weaponry.

Also remember the Trump administration basically wiped ISIS/the Caliphate off the map in about 45 minutes. He had that in his back pocket for the Taliban if they didn't adhere to the agreement.

[Masterofreality]

Disgraceful. Biden blames everyone but himself.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/joe-biden-to-afghanistan-drop-dead-taliban-11629151994?st=lss2y6apyb9mq3h&reflink=article_copyURL_share

[Xville]

Making a deal or negotiating with the taliban is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

[Strange Brew]

Making a deal or negotiating with the taliban is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.

Not if they understand you will drop a MOAB for non-compliance.

[Xville]

Not if they understand you will drop a MOAB for non-compliance.

Great in theory…. I think we should have just turned the damn place into a parking lot..like I think most of the Middle East should be.

[Strange Brew]

Great in theory…. I think we should have just turned the damn place into a parking lot..like I think most of the Middle East should be.

Well, worked pretty well with ISIS. I think the Taliban got the message under the old boss.

[Masterofreality]

Biden blamed the Afghans for the US not evacuating those Afghans who were in danger - said they caused the delay in his speech yesterday - but this is a lie, one of many in yesterday's speech: Biden had been told for weeks by the military he needed to act to withdraw safely, and *he* delayed.

What say you Paul? #BidenLies (And so does every politician ever created).

[Strange Brew]

I'm so thrilled we exchanged a/the current Taliban leader for Bergdahl....

[xuwillie]

Biden approval rating now at 45%. I blame Trump!

[Masterofreality]

Biden approval rating now at 45%. I blame Trump!

After only 7 months. It’ll go lower.
And Kackling Kamala is even lower. Nice work team.

[Strange Brew]

In case you missed it OPEC told Biden to pound sand as well.

[Masterofreality]

Biden’s America:

“ Data from the Commerce Department showed Tuesday that spending at U.S. retailers pulled back sharply in July. Retail sales—a measure of purchases at stores, at restaurants and online—fell 1.1% in July from the prior month, the Commerce Department said. Economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal had expected a 0.3% decline.”

How’s that American Rescue Plan working out??

[Strange Brew]

Biden’s America:

“ Data from the Commerce Department showed Tuesday that spending at U.S. retailers pulled back sharply in July. Retail sales—a measure of purchases at stores, at restaurants and online—fell 1.1% in July from the prior month, the Commerce Department said. Economists surveyed by The Wall Street Journal had expected a 0.3% decline.”

How’s that American Rescue Plan working out??

As designed unless you’re an economic illiterate.

[Masterofreality]

Everyone should read this. Long but scary.

From former CIA Officer Bryan Dean Wright:
“Former US intelligence colleagues are angry and deeply worried at what has happened in Afghanistan.

Here's what I'm hearing, and why there's nearly universal belief that America and the world are in for one of the most dangerous, unpredictable times in modern history.
Afghanistan has shown the world -- enemies & allies alike -- that our military & intel assets are largely irrelevant because we can't deploy them successfully.
The blame lays at the feet of multiple Presidents. The Generals. The Spies. The Congress.
America's Elites are trash

China knows it.
They will become emboldened, covertly & overtly. War over Taiwan and contested islands in the S. China Sea and E. China Sea is now more likely.
Russia will consider similar covert & overt moves, focused on Crimea, & former Soviet satellites.
The fear is that China & Russia will act in concert.
Why? America was whipped by a tiny rebel force and couldn't even retreat properly.
Meanwhile, the American people are angry, COVID weary, & divided.
If there were ever a time to push American hegemony aside, this is it.
If Cold War III grows hot, America will need to quickly build up & work with foreign counterparts.
But who will trust America after Afghanistan?
Who believes we have the leadership to use our military might well?
Who will trust us when we say "We Will Stand With You"?
Beyond China/Russia, others will take gambles too.
Terror orgs like al-Qa'ida & ISIS are degraded but not dead. Their ideology is very much alive.
Iran's Hizballah -- with terror cells throughout the US -- may see an opening to create chaos too.
Meanwhile, the disaster inside Afghanistan is only just beginning.
The Taliban will launch a terror campaign against American collaborators. The pictures will shock the conscience of the world, further degrading American moral authority.
Biden & Co will struggle to respond
There's also the nightmare of tactical weaponry now awash in Afghanistan, in the hands of the Taliban and -- soon -- on the global black market.
These arms will fuel chaos around the world for decades.
The Pentagon has no idea where this stuff is and no plans to destroy it
Finally, if Afghani refugees pour into the US, there are profound implications for security, culture, the economy, & politics.
Are they properly vetted?
Do they hold Western / tolerant values re: women, gays?
Do they bring skills / education?
Which party will they support?
The existential problem is that America needs good leadership to right its ship but there is none.
Our federal bench is weak.
Biden is a corrupt old man. Impeachment is a long shot; VP Harris is an unpopular paperweight. The Legislature is a feckless cabal of empty suits.
Leadership could come from a state Governor, it's true, but not soon enough.
The above threats by China, Russia, & Co will metastasize well before the 2024 elections, and even a heroic new President will need years to clean things up.
Again, our enemies and allies know this.
Upshot: There is fear and outrage streaming through former intel officers over the Afghanistan debacle.
America is rudderless. And the world now knows it.
Grave dangers lie ahead, some predictable, others unimaginable.
Keep your loved ones tight. Pray. And vote for change“.

[XU_Lou]

Everyone should read this. Long but scary.

From former CIA Officer Bryan Dean Wright:
“Former US intelligence colleagues are angry and deeply worried at what has happened in Afghanistan.

Here's what I'm hearing, and why there's nearly universal belief that America and the world are in for one of the most dangerous, unpredictable times in modern history.
Afghanistan has shown the world -- enemies & allies alike -- that our military & intel assets are largely irrelevant because we can't deploy them successfully.
The blame lays at the feet of multiple Presidents. The Generals. The Spies. The Congress.
America's Elites are trash

China knows it.
They will become emboldened, covertly & overtly. War over Taiwan and contested islands in the S. China Sea and E. China Sea is now more likely.
Russia will consider similar covert & overt moves, focused on Crimea, & former Soviet satellites.
The fear is that China & Russia will act in concert.
Why? America was whipped by a tiny rebel force and couldn't even retreat properly.
Meanwhile, the American people are angry, COVID weary, & divided.
If there were ever a time to push American hegemony aside, this is it.
If Cold War III grows hot, America will need to quickly build up & work with foreign counterparts.
But who will trust America after Afghanistan?
Who believes we have the leadership to use our military might well?
Who will trust us when we say "We Will Stand With You"?
Beyond China/Russia, others will take gambles too.
Terror orgs like al-Qa'ida & ISIS are degraded but not dead. Their ideology is very much alive.
Iran's Hizballah -- with terror cells throughout the US -- may see an opening to create chaos too.
Meanwhile, the disaster inside Afghanistan is only just beginning.
The Taliban will launch a terror campaign against American collaborators. The pictures will shock the conscience of the world, further degrading American moral authority.
Biden & Co will struggle to respond
There's also the nightmare of tactical weaponry now awash in Afghanistan, in the hands of the Taliban and -- soon -- on the global black market.
These arms will fuel chaos around the world for decades.
The Pentagon has no idea where this stuff is and no plans to destroy it
Finally, if Afghani refugees pour into the US, there are profound implications for security, culture, the economy, & politics.
Are they properly vetted?
Do they hold Western / tolerant values re: women, gays?
Do they bring skills / education?
Which party will they support?
The existential problem is that America needs good leadership to right its ship but there is none.
Our federal bench is weak.
Biden is a corrupt old man. Impeachment is a long shot; VP Harris is an unpopular paperweight. The Legislature is a feckless cabal of empty suits.
Leadership could come from a state Governor, it's true, but not soon enough.
The above threats by China, Russia, & Co will metastasize well before the 2024 elections, and even a heroic new President will need years to clean things up.
Again, our enemies and allies know this.
Upshot: There is fear and outrage streaming through former intel officers over the Afghanistan debacle.
America is rudderless. And the world now knows it.
Grave dangers lie ahead, some predictable, others unimaginable.
Keep your loved ones tight. Pray. And vote for change“.

From my POV there seems to be a lot of truth in all of this. We are facing incredibly dangerous times. The Globalists/Marxists running our country are purposely taking us down. Will we even make it to 2024? it may be too late. Too many snowflakes upset over mean Tweets - and/or a corrupted election process.

[MADXSTER]

Seriously, Is common sense on the endangered species list? Because it should be.

[Strange Brew]

So the RNC has now come out and stated there was widespread Democrat cheating in the 2020 election. Hmmmm.

[STL_XUfan]

Scary scene unfolding in DC right now with a guy who is threatening to blow up a truck full of explosives

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/19/1029275390/bomb-threat-near-capitol-library-of-congress

apparently he may be live streaming it also (not confirmed by any trustworthy sources):

https://twitter.com/Phil_Lewis_/status/1428392832377708549?s=20

[GoMuskies]

Is he a right wing or left wing nut? We need to know that to figure out the intensity of our feelings towards this incident.

[Strange Brew]

Is he a right wing or left wing nut? We need to know that to figure out the intensity of our feelings towards this incident.

Haha, the cynic in me is all, How convenient. A right winger pops up right after the DHS warnings and Biden’s disasters….

[Masterofreality]

Biden lied all through his address today and called out for it by ABC news and CNN of all places.
Americans are not being left alone by the Taliban and there have not been thousands evacuated in the last 24 hours.
Just straight lies….errrr Paul??

[Strange Brew]

Biden lied all through his address today and called out for it by ABC news and CNN of all places.
Americans are not being left alone by the Taliban and there have not been thousands evacuated in the last 24 hours.
Just straight lies….errrr Paul??

Paul is busy Googling for headlines to show this is Trump’s fault.

[Masterofreality]

From Former Marine Jordan Blashek, who wrote this in the excellent sub stack publication of Bari Weiss, a truly principled, and liberal journalist who I immensely enjoy reading. I highly recommend that folks subscribe to Bari Weiss’ Common Sense.
Just sad and disgraceful.
“ President Biden failed, too. He blamed everyone but himself for the failed implementation of his withdrawal. He called the Afghan soldiers cowards — the same soldiers who bled on the battlefield with us. He set up a straw-man choice between pulling out everyone or scaling up combat operations for a country that would not fight for itself.

But that was never the choice we faced. By 2020, this had become a peacekeeping mission. Our small presence of a couple thousand troops was keeping the Taliban at bay. That was something all of us would have signed up for again and again.

The country needed President Biden to say that. We needed him to explain why the last decade of our service, why keeping the Taliban from taking Kabul, was worth the sacrifice. If he had done that, perhaps Mike’s mother, and others like her, would not be in so much pain.”

Add to this that Biden kneecapped the air forces that also would have kept the Taliban in check. They pulled all of the aircraft maintenance people out of Bagram Air Base in June and left equipment there rather than removing it to a “horizon” base, thereby giving drones & blackhawks to the Taliban. The Taliban had no Air Force, but they do now!
Incredibly ludicrous.

[Masterofreality]

Paul is busy Googling for headlines to show this is Trump’s fault.

While trying to find disparaging stories on Ron DeSantis!!!

[Strange Brew]

While trying to find disparaging stories on Ron DeSantis!!!

You read that one today too. They’re scared…

[Strange Brew]

Also today, the FBI found Jan 6th was not influenced or caused by Trump.

More winning and he’s not even in office. That’s gotta burn the haters.

[waggy]

In case you missed it OPEC told Biden to pound sand as well.

I laughed out loud when someone told me Biden called Saudi Arabia. The fuck can't even hold an intelligible conversation with himself.

[Strange Brew]

I laughed out loud when someone told me Biden called Saudi Arabia. The fuck can't even hold an intelligible conversation with himself.

I imagine their response was similar to, "I told him we already got one". "Oh yes, it's very nice."

[bobbiemcgee]

So the RNC has now come out and stated there was widespread Democrat cheating in the 2020 election. Hmmmm.

Made me laugh. Report was done by the party president. Unbiased, of course.

[bobbiemcgee]

While trying to find disparaging stories on Ron DeSantis!!!

That wouldn't be too hard. The disaster politics ain't going so well. All the major school boards telling him to f off.

[Strange Brew]

That wouldn't be too hard. The disaster politics ain't going so well. All the major school boards telling him to f off.

And he’s telling them f your paychecks.

[Strange Brew]

Made me laugh. Report was done by the party president. Unbiased, of course.

And the rebuttal came from you. Haha, unbiased of course.

The relevant part is the RNC had defended the Ds against cheating claims. Now reversed it.

[bobbiemcgee]

And the rebuttal came from you. Haha, unbiased of course.

The relevant part is the RNC had defended the Ds against cheating claims. Now reversed it.

Kinda like the Jeopardy executive producer appointing himself as the new host. haha

[paulxu]

The relevant part is the RNC had defended the Ds against cheating claims. Now reversed it.

Their report noted rule changes that were made in response to the pandemic, that they allege were incorrect.
Those same arguments were used in 60+ court cases which found them wanting...including the Supreme Court.

[Strange Brew]

Their report noted rule changes that were made in response to the pandemic, that they allege were incorrect.
Those same arguments were used in 60+ court cases which found them wanting...including the Supreme Court.

On standing not evidence.

[paulxu]

On standing not evidence.

I don't think the SC ruled on standing. They just refused to hear most of the cases. Maybe in the goofy Texas case they noted Texas didn't have a place in the voting rules of other states. Maybe you were referring to that one.
In many of the lower courts, the cases were thrown out because there was no evidence to support the claims of fraud. In fact, I think actions are pending for sanctioning attorneys for bringing cases they knew were bogus.

[Strange Brew]

I don't think the SC ruled on standing. They just refused to hear most of the cases. Maybe in the goofy Texas case they noted Texas didn't have a place in the voting rules of other states. Maybe you were referring to that one.
In many of the lower courts, the cases were thrown out because there was no evidence to support the claims of fraud. In fact, I think actions are pending for sanctioning attorneys for bringing cases they knew were bogus.

Refusing to hear means no discovery, no evidence presented.

[paulxu]

Refusing to hear means no discovery, no evidence presented.

There were a lot of briefs. But probably a good thing no evidence presented...as they didn't have any in the other 60 cases. Might have proved embarrassing.

[Strange Brew]

There were a lot of briefs. But probably a good thing no evidence presented...as they didn't have any in the other 60 cases. Might have proved embarrassing.

Maybe. Maybe not.

[noteggs]

Also today, the FBI found Jan 6th was not influenced or caused by Trump.

More winning and he’s not even in office. That’s gotta burn the haters.

What a minute Mr., just wait for the hyper partisan House finish their investigation. Only then will we find the actual truth for who was behind the insurrection (sarc font).

[Masterofreality]

You read that one today too. They’re scared…

Oh, yeah they are

[Strange Brew]

What a minute Mr., just wait for the hyper partisan House finish their investigation. Only then will we find the actual truth for who was behind the insurrection (sarc font).

Haha, I’ll be waiting with bated breath…

[bobbiemcgee]

Refusing to hear means no discovery, no evidence presented.

bcuz no case.

[bobbiemcgee]

And he’s telling them f your paychecks.

They aren't state employees.

[Masterofreality]

Joe Biden’s “Press Conference” on Afghanistan yesterday was full of lies and untruths that were immediately debunked and contradicted by his own Department of Defense and State Department within an hour. Either this guy lies out of hand or he is mentally incompetent to actually do this job.
We are in deep trouble.
Meanwhile, people like Paul and Bobby remain silent as hell with no comment while people are falling off airplanes and our citizens are in jeopardy. This has nothing to do with Trump’s “deal”. This has everything to do with Biden blatantly pulling out of the air base, grounding the Air Capability, in July giving the troops and Afghani’s zero support. The execution of this pullout of Afghanistan is a disgrace. This is an absolute disaster.
This Administration is unraveling right before our eyes.
Have fun the next 3 1/2 years.

[noteggs]

Agree MOR. I think the chaos (fancy press term) at the Kabul airport just got more chaotic. Now ISIS is threatening at the airport and we are currently looking for other ways to evacuate. Guess the JV team is back.

This has to be one the biggest strategic blunders in decades. The ineptitude from this administration over this international debacle should scare the hell out of us all.

[bobbiemcgee]

What happens when you ignore all construction studies:



https://twitter.com/LaikenJordahl/status/1428791487244869640/photo/1

[Muskie in dayton]

What happens when you ignore all construction studies:



https://twitter.com/LaikenJordahl/status/1428791487244869640/photo/1

It was a 500-year rain event. I'd doubt they engineered it for that severe of a flood, since the cost to replace a section - if the event happened - would be a lot less than the cost to design it to withstand a 500 year event.

But don't let that get in the way of your TDS.

[bobbiemcgee]

And yet it floated away in a year. haha. Don't worry, Mexico will pay for it.

[Strange Brew]

What happens when you ignore all construction studies:



https://twitter.com/LaikenJordahl/status/1428791487244869640/photo/1

I agree. Look what happened out here to the Animas river.

[Masterofreality]

Agree MOR. I think the chaos (fancy press term) at the Kabul airport just got more chaotic. Now ISIS is threatening at the airport and we are currently looking for other ways to evacuate. Guess the JV team is back.

This has to be one the biggest strategic blunders in decades. The ineptitude from this administration over this international debacle should scare the hell out of us all.

Paul and Bobbie couldn’t wait to weigh in on every Trump move. Now all there are are crickets.
Zero credibility on criticism. Biden is an incompetent, mentally diminished clown.

[paulxu]

I prefer to wait and see how this all plays out.
Biden made a tough decision which the former president had laid out with a timeline, negotiating a deal with the nominal enemy, and not even giving the Afghan government a seat at the table.
We're evacuating thousands every day and hopefully things will work out with a lot of hard work and patience.
I do not favor forever wars. Neither did the last president, whose comments are conveniently erased from the RNC website.
I don't mind responding to reasonable criticism, but the echo chamber of the far right does not interest me.
And I favor a good review of all the decisions when the time is right.

[bobbiemcgee]

Paul and Bobbie couldn’t wait to weigh in on every Trump move. Now all there are are crickets.
Zero credibility on criticism. Biden is an incompetent, mentally diminished clown.

Already weighed in. 4 Presidents, a trillion dollars, 3000 dead, should have dropped a smaller nuclear bomb on Tora Bora 11/2001. War over. Instead we have "clean up on aisle 4".

[Strange Brew]

Already weighed in. 4 Presidents, a trillion dollars, 3000 dead, should have dropped a smaller nuclear bomb on Tora Bora 11/2001. War over. Instead we have "clean up on aisle 4".

And the current store manager is AWOL.

[Smails]

I prefer to wait and see how this all plays out.
Biden made a tough decision which the former president had laid out with a timeline, negotiating a deal with the nominal enemy, and not even giving the Afghan government a seat at the table.
We're evacuating thousands every day and hopefully things will work out with a lot of hard work and patience.
I do not favor forever wars. Neither did the last president, whose comments are conveniently erased from the RNC website.
I don't mind responding to reasonable criticism, but the echo chamber of the far right does not interest me.
And I favor a good review of all the decisions when the time is right.

Let's not talk about the 'decision'. There is pretty much bipartisan support for leaving the region. I would like to hear your opinion whether you think this administration effectively planned and executed the withdraw. This is Biden's first major foreign policy decision...how do you think it has gone to this point? Don't give me this 'i want to wait an see' horseshit. You jumped on every quote, every headline and seemed to have a reaction every time President Trump passed gas.

Are you able to look objectively and form an opinion on how President Biden has executed this plan? While you're at it, since you've been on a crusade for 'truth' over the last 3 years, would you care to opine on the multiple falsehoods that have been brought light as a result of President Biden's public remarks?

You can't lob grenades from behind the wall of Trump for 3 years and then say...'let's be patient". You know that's not how this thing works...

[Xville]

the silence is deafening

[boozehound]

I don't think that there was any way we were going to exit Afghanistan without the opposing sides having ammunition for criticism. Whenever we left, the Taliban was going to take over and they were going to do fucked up shit to innocent people. It was the only thing that made me hesitant about withdrawal - it's going to be Syria, but possibly worse. Honestly though, if after 20 year this is what happens when we leave, we failed to establish a functional government anyways. It's a problem without a good solution.

Having said that, Biden's withdrawal has been a complete and total failure on nearly all fronts. I can't imagine that anyone can find anything good to say about it. Beginning with the flawed intelligence that they had that lead them to believe that they had 30+ days before the Taliban took over instead of 5 days (or however long it took), and continuing through to today. His messaging has been terrible as well, which raises further questions as to whether they know what the hell is going on over there (I don't think that they do). It's almost like they didn't really give any thought to the withdrawal plans and are surprised that it didn't go well. Obviously that's a massive policy mistake, with a very real human cost. Also we look like idiots, although that's secondary at this point.

I'm not sure where they go from here, but I think we have a duty to evacuate the people who helped us and are now in danger.

[paulxu]

My "opinion" is that we are in a difficult place (after 20 years at war, American's longest) that Biden is doing a credible job of holding to an agreement between our country and the Taliban, negotiated by the former administration (without the actual government of Afghanistan being invited to the negotiations regarding their own country).

The people who seemed to have benefited most during those 20 years were the military and contractors, as countless reports detailed the corruption within the country itself; funds siphoned off, ghost soldiers on the payroll, etc. There were many good things that occurred, especially the education and freedom allowed to the women and girls. Perhaps those things are now embedded in such a large section of the population that some of the reforms will take hold.

As the evacuation proceeds, hopefully all Americans will get out. I'm befuddled why they didn't plan and exit the country in the last 6 months so that challenge would not be facing us. Thousands are coming out each day, although I see now that the Taliban is going to clamp down on Afghans leaving.

My opinion is that we should have left long ago. In 2002 or 2003 when we had completed the mission of eradicating the safe haven for Al Qeada. History should have taught us, our own and others, that there was little hope for long term success.

The decisions being made currently should be subject to a good review when the dust settles, and responsibility for missteps assigned with consequences as appropriate. Biden was dealt a tough hand. He's trying in good faith to deal with it with our country's interests first. I give him credit for that.

[Xville]

My "opinion" is that we are in a difficult place (after 20 years at war, American's longest) that Biden is doing a credible job of holding to an agreement between our country and the Taliban, negotiated by the former administration (without the actual government of Afghanistan being invited to the negotiations regarding their own country).

The people who seemed to have benefited most during those 20 years were the military and contractors, as countless reports detailed the corruption within the country itself; funds siphoned off, ghost soldiers on the payroll, etc. There were many good things that occurred, especially the education and freedom allowed to the women and girls. Perhaps those things are now embedded in such a large section of the population that some of the reforms will take hold.

As the evacuation proceeds, hopefully all Americans will get out. I'm befuddled why they didn't plan and exit the country in the last 6 months so that challenge would not be facing us. Thousands are coming out each day, although I see now that the Taliban is going to clamp down on Afghans leaving.

My opinion is that we should have left long ago. In 2002 or 2003 when we had completed the mission of eradicating the safe haven for Al Qeada. History should have taught us, our own and others, that there was little hope for long term success.

The decisions being made currently should be subject to a good review when the dust settles, and responsibility for missteps assigned with consequences as appropriate. Biden was dealt a tough hand. He's trying in good faith to deal with it with our country's interests first. I give him credit for that.

You should run for office with your skill of deflecting. Giving someone the benefit of the doubt, remember that next time someone you didn't vote for is in office. You quickly blamed Trump every time Pelosi or AOC took a dump.

[Xville]

I don't think that there was any way we were going to exit Afghanistan without the opposing sides having ammunition for criticism. Whenever we left, the Taliban was going to take over and they were going to do fucked up shit to innocent people. It was the only thing that made me hesitant about withdrawal - it's going to be Syria, but possibly worse. Honestly though, if after 20 year this is what happens when we leave, we failed to establish a functional government anyways. It's a problem without a good solution.

Having said that, Biden's withdrawal has been a complete and total failure on nearly all fronts. I can't imagine that anyone can find anything good to say about it. Beginning with the flawed intelligence that they had that lead them to believe that they had 30+ days before the Taliban took over instead of 5 days (or however long it took), and continuing through to today. His messaging has been terrible as well, which raises further questions as to whether they know what the hell is going on over there (I don't think that they do). It's almost like they didn't really give any thought to the withdrawal plans and are surprised that it didn't go well. Obviously that's a massive policy mistake, with a very real human cost. Also we look like idiots, although that's secondary at this point.

I'm not sure where they go from here, but I think we have a duty to evacuate the people who helped us and are now in danger.

I concur with most of this...that area of the world is just one big effing mess and has been for thousands of years...It would take generations upon generations to change things and then at what cost? I do wonder though...why not keep status quo there in terms of military presence...or maybe just a little bit less of presence there instead of a full pull out?

[Masterofreality]

My "opinion" is that we are in a difficult place (after 20 years at war, American's longest) that Biden is doing a credible job of holding to an agreement between our country and the Taliban, negotiated by the former administration….

The decisions being made currently should be subject to a good review when the dust settles, and responsibility for missteps assigned with consequences as appropriate. Biden was dealt a tough hand. He's trying in good faith to deal with it with our country's interests first. I give him credit for that.

The hand that was dealt was self dealt by Biden.
Abandoning Bagran Air Base prematurely was NOT part of the agreement negotiated by Trump.
Not providing any air cover for Afghan troops and our remaining troops was NOT part of the original agreement.
Leaving US Blackhawk Helicopters, gunnery and Humvees was NOT part of the original agreement.
Not consulting with NATO allies of what the arrangements were going to be to leave was NOT PART of the original agreement.
Chaos at the airport with people falling from Airplanes was not part of the original agreement.
Dude. 75% of America thinks Biden has failed miserably in this. Our allies, the British Parliament has censured the President.
Enough of your deflection and “waiting to see the final outcome” when you gave the previous President zero time or leeway on anything.
Plus… Biden lies.

[Smails]

My "opinion" is that we are in a difficult place (after 20 years at war, American's longest) that Biden is doing a credible job of holding to an agreement between our country and the Taliban, negotiated by the former administration (without the actual government of Afghanistan being invited to the negotiations regarding their own country).

The people who seemed to have benefited most during those 20 years were the military and contractors, as countless reports detailed the corruption within the country itself; funds siphoned off, ghost soldiers on the payroll, etc. There were many good things that occurred, especially the education and freedom allowed to the women and girls. Perhaps those things are now embedded in such a large section of the population that some of the reforms will take hold.

As the evacuation proceeds, hopefully all Americans will get out. I'm befuddled why they didn't plan and exit the country in the last 6 months so that challenge would not be facing us. Thousands are coming out each day, although I see now that the Taliban is going to clamp down on Afghans leaving.

My opinion is that we should have left long ago. In 2002 or 2003 when we had completed the mission of eradicating the safe haven for Al Qeada. History should have taught us, our own and others, that there was little hope for long term success.

The decisions being made currently should be subject to a good review when the dust settles, and responsibility for missteps assigned with consequences as appropriate. Biden was dealt a tough hand. He's trying in good faith to deal with it with our country's interests first. I give him credit for that.

You literally didn't answer a singe question I asked...literally. This is the issue with political discourse today. Too many people double down instead of looking objectively at a situation. What a chickenshit response.

[boozehound]

I concur with most of this...that area of the world is just one big effing mess and has been for thousands of years...It would take generations upon generations to change things and then at what cost? I do wonder though...why not keep status quo there in terms of military presence...or maybe just a little bit less of presence there instead of a full pull out?

That was kind of what I thought at the time, and sort of still think, but I'm not fully educated on the situation. If it's just a matter of having 5K troops sitting there to keep a lid on the Taliban I tend to think it might be worth it to keep a presence, but if there is constant active fighting and loss of U.S. lives then I would be more in favor of pulling out.

Edit: It looks like there have been 92 U.S. Military deaths in Afghanistan since 2014, so averaging about 12 per year. That might be worth preventing the atrocities that are about to go down, but I don't really get to make that call.

[Strange Brew]

That was kind of what I thought at the time, and sort of still think, but I'm not fully educated on the situation. If it's just a matter of having 5K troops sitting there to keep a lid on the Taliban I tend to think it might be worth it to keep a presence, but if there is constant active fighting and loss of U.S. lives then I would be more in favor of pulling out.

Edit: It looks like there have been 92 U.S. Military deaths in Afghanistan since 2014, so averaging about 12 per year. That might be worth preventing the atrocities that are about to go down, but I don't really get to make that call.

Agree and there was no reason to leave the equipment/ammo behind. The Taliban is now in control of the 26th largest Air Force in the world.

[boozehound]

Agree and there was no reason to leave the equipment/ammo behind. The Taliban is now in control of the 26th largest Air Force in the world.

I assume we left the weapons and ammo behind so that the Afghani 'soldiers' we had been fighting with could use them to defend their Country against the Taliban, but yeah. We seem to have really miscalculated their willingness and/or ability to fight. We should probably go back in and blow that shit up once we get our people out.

Just a complete fucking blunder all around.

[paulxu]

You literally didn't answer a singe question I asked...literally. This is the issue with political discourse today. Too many people double down instead of looking objectively at a situation. What a chickenshit response.

You asked for my opinion in your post.
I gave you my opinion in my reply.

I made the mistake of thinking you were making a reasonable request, rather than wanting to parrot the echo chamber.
I won't make that mistake again.

[Smails]

You asked for my opinion in your post.
I gave you my opinion in my reply.

I made the mistake of thinking you were making a reasonable request, rather than wanting to parrot the echo chamber.
I won't make that mistake again.

No, I specifically asked for your opinion how you think the Afghan situation is going right now and you gave a typical deflection. I'll give you another chance to answer it.

Then I asked about your opinion on Biden's remarks that have proven to be untrue. You've been a truth crusader on this board, so I think it's reasonable to ask you to opine about current falsehoods. I'll give you another chance to answer it.

Please explain to me how what I was asking was a non-reasonable/echo chamber request?

[bobbiemcgee]

More political ridiculousness:

https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/notre-dame-leprechaun-considered-offensive-according-to-survey/

[noteggs]

More political ridiculousness:

https://nypost.com/2021/08/25/notre-dame-leprechaun-considered-offensive-according-to-survey/

I heard the vast majority of leprechauns around the country signed a petition to have their likeness removed.

[Masterofreality]

I assume we left the weapons and ammo behind so that the Afghani 'soldiers' we had been fighting with could use them to defend their Country against the Taliban, but yeah. We seem to have really miscalculated their willingness and/or ability to fight. We should probably go back in and blow that shit up once we get our people out.

Just a complete fucking blunder all around.

The “will to fight” was “miscalculated” because Joe Biden on July 3 made the direct decision to abandon Bagram Air Base which kneecapped any Air cover for the ground troops to fight. Left behind Blackhawks and drones that the Taliban now has. Biden abandoned them first. That is a total disgrace.

[XU_Lou]

incompetence and arrogance just killed 4 (edit: make that 10) U.S. Marines

but hey, at least they died having a good understanding of white rage...

[94GRAD]

incompetence and arrogance just killed four U.S. Marines

but hey, at least they died having a good understanding of white rage...

And just announced no news briefing today from the State Dept. Not a good look.

[XU_Lou]

And just announced no news briefing today from the State Dept today. Not a good look.

I guess they were a little embarrassed.... especially after this was revealed a couple of days ago:

White House to media: We want our props on Afghanistan "In the span of a week, the White House went from struggling to explain a rapidly deteriorating situation in Afghanistan to beating its chest."

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/08/24/white-house-media-afghanistan-506849

[xuwillie]

Worst president and VP ever.

[Strange Brew]

In another stroke of genius a list of Americans in country was given to the Taliban.

[bjf123]

In another stroke of genius a list of Americans in country was given to the Taliban.

The list also included Afghans who had helped the US and were to be allowed through the Taliban checkpoint into the airport. Who thought that was a good idea?

[Masterofreality]

Paul??? Uhhhh, PAUL?????

[Smails]

Did I hear correctly from our Central Command General (McKenzie) that the US is using the Taliban to run security checkpoints coming into the airport?

[Masterofreality]

Did I hear correctly from our Central Command General (McKenzie) that the US is using the Taliban to run security checkpoints coming into the airport?

Yup.

And, oh. The President is “Instructed” on who to call on in the Press Corps.
Who the hell is in charge here???

[Smails]

And the hits just keep coming. Pentagon confirms that when we abandoned Bagrahm AFB the Taliban released potentially 'thousands' of ISIS-K prisoners..thousands.

Remember when the narrative was that "Biden's not great, but at least he'll put together a competent administration and advising team"

[noteggs]

Remember when the narrative was that "Biden's not great, but at least he'll put together a competent administration and advising team"

Lol! Thought the same and came here to post something similar. Remember, only Washington insiders are competent enough for a functioning government.

[Masterofreality]

Now we find out that when Biden ordered Bagram AFB to be abandoned, besides military equipment, there were 7,000 hand held scanners and a bio metric database left behind that basically gives the Taliban a road map to every Afghan that gave the US assistance.
But I’m sure this was “all planned for” as Biden has insisted.
LARGE EYE ROLL

[Strange Brew]

Salute to the soldiers. Saw a report that retired vets are in country rescuing allies. Carry on!

[Masterofreality]

KIDS IN CAGES!!

Where are the Congresswomen and CNN talking heads crying at the border?
Also, why isn’t Biden grilled on this every day?
Where is your empathy Paul??

Follow the link below to view the article. Migrant kids languish in shelters https://cincinnatienquirer-oh-app.newsmemory.com/?publink=19fe4aa31_1345eaf

[XU_Lou]

Here's a long distance dedication to Paul and Bobby. Though written about the state of America during the Carter years, this sure is apropos for today:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arer-Mu8zCo

[Masterofreality]

President Joe Biden is failing in every single category.
-Lost Afghanistan
-Has not “shut down” the virus
-Missed his vaccination target, and it’s not just southern white rubes. Blacks have the lowest rate of any ethnic group
-Huge Inflation
-Being disrespected by our Allies and called out by the British Parliament
-Lost the US energy independence and begging OPEC to pump more oil and giving Russia a pipeline while cancelling our own Keystone pipeline.
-The Texas Border has “Kids in Cages” and they have been in there for weeks. It’s a human tragedy and the Supreme Court has reinstated the “Stay in Mexico” Policy from Trump.
-Has lost his lousy attempt at keeping a rent payment delay in place. The Supreme Court rules.

This Administration has done zero “good things” despite what Paul would like to tell you. He sure has been awfully silent lately.
I guess he forgets that “Democracy Dies in Darkness”.

[paulxu]

Sometimes I just don't know what you guys expect or read.
We poured billions and billions into training the Afghan army, creating and supporting their government...to fight the Taliban.
So the last president signs a deal with the Taliban, without the Afghan government in the negotiations, to turn over the country to their control this year.
Leaving 2,500 troops there.

So, you're the Afghan army, and government, and the US has just struck a deal with the people you have been fighting, to turn the country over to them, to essentially surrender your country to their control.

And now you're surprised that things are going south? You're surprised that the Afghan army laid down to the Taliban who we negotiated to take the country.
You're surprised that the Afghan president took a couple hundred million dollars and fled the country? Or that people there have been siphoning off our aid for years to private accounts?

Biden's trying to end a terrible 20 year involvement. Could he have done better? Maybe. I'll admit I'm not smart enough to know.
And for sure the blabbering heads on TV aren't either.

[bjf123]

I’m still waiting for the blabbering heads on TV to bring out the “experts” to discuss how mentally unfit Biden is for being President. CNN and MSNBC paraded them out to talk about Trump’s mental state. Now? Crickets.


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[Masterofreality]

Sometimes I just don't know what you guys expect or read.
We poured billions and billions into training the Afghan army, creating and supporting their government...to fight the Taliban.
So the last president signs a deal with the Taliban, without the Afghan government in the negotiations, to turn over the country to their control this year.
Leaving 2,500 troops there.

So, you're the Afghan army, and government, and the US has just struck a deal with the people you have been fighting, to turn the country over to them, to essentially surrender your country to their control.

And now you're surprised that things are going south? You're surprised that the Afghan army laid down to the Taliban who we negotiated to take the country.
You're surprised that the Afghan president took a couple hundred million dollars and fled the country? Or that people there have been siphoning off our aid for years to private accounts?

Biden's trying to end a terrible 20 year involvement. Could he have done better? Maybe. I'll admit I'm not smart enough to know.
And for sure the blabbering heads on TV aren't either.

Biden closed the Bagram Air Force base prematurely that could have provided air cover for the ground troops and also a more secure location to ferry evacuees out. In addition the base was left behind with large amounts of armament and 7,000 scanners with a database of Afghani citizens who cooperated with the US. He was advised by his military advisors not to do that but he did it anyway.
Stop saying “I don’t know if he could have done better” Paul and just do simple research. Closing the base was on Biden alone, not part of Trump’s deal.
NO ONE disagrees with the US leaving Afghanistan, but the execution of this departure is miserable and 100% on Joe Biden. Even liberals like Bill Maher agree with that.
Biden should be impeached for malfeasance. If one guy is impeached over a stupid phone call that did nothing to imperil National Security but this Afghanistan mess does. Biden should be impeached and removed.
Biden apparently has been “Instructed” to do a lot of things, including who to call on in “press conferences”. It would be great if he took “Instruction” in military matters.

[Strange Brew]

Biden closed the Bagram Air Force base prematurely that could have provided air cover for the ground troops and also a more secure location to ferry evacuees out. In addition the base was left behind with large amounts of armament and 7,000 scanners with a database of Afghani citizens who cooperated with the US. He was advised by his military advisors not to do that but he did it anyway.
Stop saying “I don’t know if he could have done better” Paul and just do simple research. Closing the base was on Biden alone, not part of Trump’s deal.
NO ONE disagrees with the US leaving Afghanistan, but the execution of this departure is miserable and 100% on Joe Biden. Even liberals like Bill Maher agree with that.
Biden should be impeached for malfeasance. If one guy is impeached over a stupid phone call that did nothing to imperil National Security but this Afghanistan mess does. Biden should be impeached and removed.
Biden apparently has been “Instructed” to do a lot of things, including who to call on in “press conferences”. It would be great if he took “Instruction” in military matters.

It’s easier for Paul to deflect than think.

[XU_Lou]

You want to know why the Afghanistan pullout was/is such a total cluster - watch this absolutely pathetic video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWaeCBDohw

God save us from this idiot and the idiots who put him in the White House....

[Masterofreality]

So the US Government knew so little about what was happening in Afghanistan that they had no idea the Afghan Security Forces would evaporate and the Taliban immediately take over, but they were able to find within 24 hours the precise ISIS-K "planner" to kill?
OK.

(Reality: Missiles launched into a desert where *maybe* some random Bedouin was located.)

[Strange Brew]

So the US Government knew so little about what was happening in Afghanistan that they had no idea the Afghan Security Forces would evaporate and the Taliban immediately take over, but they were able to find within 24 hours the precise ISIS-K "planner" to kill?
OK.

(Reality: Missiles launched into a desert where *maybe* some random Bedouin was located.)

At least as far as we know they didn’t drone/kill a US citizen without trial like when Biden was VP.

[Smails]

Could he have done better? Maybe. I'll admit I'm not smart enough to know.
.

If you're not smart enough to know, then you are incredibly stupid. Now I don't think that's true, Paul. What I do think is that you would rather call yourself stupid than admit that Joe Biden is responsible for the massacre of US servicemen and women. It's sad that you're so ideologically slanted that you would rather insult yourself than see the situation for what it is. Sad

[Masterofreality]

You want to know why the Afghanistan pullout was/is such a total cluster - watch this absolutely pathetic video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFWaeCBDohw

God save us from this idiot and the idiots who put him in the White House....

In fairness, this video is altered and faked.