Politics Thread

[bobbiemcgee]

All you can still do is rail about Obama who isn’t in office anymore and has zero power.

Fixed.
You complained about Obama for four years during trump....get over it.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

May employment report :559,000 jobs added
Anticipated and predicted added jobs: 671,000
Deficit 112,000.

President Applesauce Brains keeps missing the benchmarks at every turn. When are the resident Critics of the last administration, those critics who can’t see things past January 20, going to give us their inciscive critiques???
I’m still waiting......

Your stich is old and boring. Does anyone honestly believe one can debate with someone who calls the president childish names? I always called Trump by his name. I could have called him President Rapist or President Tax Evader or President Racist. I never did, it's boring, stupid and beneath me.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Your stich is old and boring. Does anyone honestly believe one can debate with someone who calls the president childish names? I always called Trump by his name. I could have called him President Rapist or President Tax Evader or President Racist. I never did, it's boring, stupid and beneath me.

That is why I retired from this thread. There's no point. No one is being converted politically from this thread. Here for the hoops.

[Strange Brew]

Your stich is old and boring. Does anyone honestly believe one can debate with someone who calls the president childish names? I always called Trump by his name. I could have called him President Rapist or President Tax Evader or President Racist. I never did, it's boring, stupid and beneath me.

You could have called Trump all those things and been arrogantly ignorant. However, it’s clear Biden is missing employment benchmarks and plenty of cognitive function.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You could have called Trump all those things and been arrogantly ignorant. However, it’s clear Biden is missing employment benchmarks and plenty of cognitive function.

Go back to your bamboo ballots and watermarks, see how this works. It might sound bad but your posts in the past show you are all behind these conspiracy theories which have as much basis in reality as MOR's name calling.

Key word in your post was "could" because I didn't. MOR does, I can quote several posts with the childish label. Missing job numbers is one thing, how about the fact that he is trending up and total numbers by month are largely not worth much regardless.

[Strange Brew]

Go back to your bamboo ballots and watermarks, see how this works. It might sound bad but your posts in the past show you are all behind these conspiracy theories which have as much basis in reality as MOR's name calling.

Key word in your post was "could" because I didn't. MOR does, I can quote several posts with the childish label. Missing job numbers is one thing, how about the fact that he is trending up and total numbers by month are largely not worth much regardless.

I will and looks like so will a few other states and you did say it by posting you’re not going to say it. Passive/aggressive communication is not a good look.

[bobbiemcgee]

I will and looks like so will a few other states....

Nadaburgers...gross mismanagement and waste of taxpayer money...do you think trump will be Pres. in August lol

[Strange Brew]

Nadaburgers...gross mismanagement and waste of taxpayer money...do you think trump will be Pres. in August lol

Maybe on audits. More for future elections than Trump being reinstated in August or otherwise. Not really sure how that would work actually.

[xu82]

That is why I retired from this thread. There's no point. No one is being converted politically from this thread. Here for the hoops.

Amen!

This has turned pathetic. I’d be happy to share thoughts with people closer to the middle, but apparently that has no appeal anymore.

Hoops it is!

[bobbiemcgee]

Must be of some interest (or comic relief) with a million+ views.

[XU_Lou]

Amen!

This has turned pathetic. I’d be happy to share thoughts with people closer to the middle, but apparently that has no appeal anymore.

Hoops it is!

But you keep coming back.... and you obviously can't help yourself from posting the same tired tropes. How many more of these posts on this thread and others do we need to hear from you that you're no longer going to follow?!?!? Geez, we get it - you're a snowflake who can't handle disagreements, debate or alternative viewpoints!

[Muskie in dayton]

Amen!

This has turned pathetic. I’d be happy to share thoughts with people closer to the middle, but apparently that has no appeal anymore.

Hoops it is!
I see. So you only want to interact with people with opinions similar to your own, almost like an echo chamber.

[Muskie in dayton]

In the last few months, we've seen numerous government and media narratives collapse. The Fauci emails are the latest and the most concerning.

Honest question. Who here believes and accepts everything your government and media tell you?

[Masterofreality]

Your stich is old and boring. Does anyone honestly believe one can debate with someone who calls the president childish names? I always called Trump by his name. I could have called him President Rapist or President Tax Evader or President Racist. I never did, it's boring, stupid and beneath me.

And once again, deflection to something else irrelevant to avoid talking about President Biden’s terrible record. He and his minions have been wrong about every single thing so far and is only saved by Trump handing him a ready made vaccine.
Yes. Someone can debate someone else on the actions and merits/demerits of a President’s policies no matter what satirical verbiage was used previously. You could point by trying to defend the guy who is the subject of the sarcastic terms by refuting them with factual examples. So far no one has. I’ve pointed out numerous terrible decisions and moves that are hurtful to the country that no one has jumped to the defense of with factual data to refute the criticism.
As I’ve asked before. When are you illliberals going to discuss or offer up a defense for them rather that diverting to red herrings?

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess you still don't get it. Only 40% support your baloney opinions. Majority rules here. Try again in 2024. But keep attacking the windmills if it makes you feel better. Good comic relief.

[Strange Brew]

Guess you still don't get it. Only 40% support your baloney opinions. Majority rules here. Try again in 2024. But keep attacking the windmills if it makes you feel better. Good comic relief.

Here as in this board the majority disagrees with most of what you post.

[bobbiemcgee]

Biden won your state by 16%. So I'd say most disagree here with you. Maybe you should start an audit.

[xu82]

I see. So you only want to interact with people with opinions similar to your own, almost like an echo chamber.

No, you missed the point entirely! Congrats on being so far from correct!

I have little to no opinion on most political fronts. I don’t enjoy this type of blind “I’m right, and you’re wrong” discussion. I don’t watch one channel, or the other. But I AM curious. I’d like to learn something in a mature fashion.

Many of the people here are so set in their beliefs that they seem incapable of learning or even hearing anything beside their set opinions. They already “know” everything. I’m the exact opposite. I’d like to gain some insight, but I can’t take seriously anyone who has consistently extreme views.

I prefer open minded people. I see little of that from the people actively posting in this thread, and I find that sad.

[Xville]

But you keep coming back.... and you obviously can't help yourself from posting the same tired tropes. How many more of these posts on this thread and others do we need to hear from you that you're no longer going to follow?!?!? Geez, we get it - you're a snowflake who can't handle disagreements, debate or alternative viewpoints!

Self awareness.....lost

We get it...the writers at red state and tucker Carlson are your personal heroes. Congrats.

[XU_Lou]

Self awareness.....lost

We get it...the writers at red state and tucker Carlson are your personal heroes. Congrats.

I'm sorry, can you repeat that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbh4BRMPBA

Okay, got it now...

[Xville]

I'm sorry, can you repeat that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbh4BRMPBA

Okay, got it now...

Thank you for proving my point

[xu82]

Self awareness.....lost

We get it...the writers at red state and tucker Carlson are your personal heroes. Congrats.

I’m pretty sure I never said I would “no longer follow”. I’m not very good at tolerating idiots, but I keep hoping for some rational discussion here. Sadly, that seems like an irrational hope.

[XU_Lou]

woof woof....

[xu82]

woof woof....

Well, that was a convincing argument. Brilliant!

More succinct than a billion pointless and questionable links.

[Masterofreality]

Guess you still don't get it. Only 40% support your baloney opinions. Majority rules here. Try again in 2024. But keep attacking the windmills if it makes you feel better. Good comic relief.

Still no answer to my critiques and more deflection.
You have no defense for this President.

[UCGRAD4X]

I'm sorry, can you repeat that?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clbh4BRMPBA

Okay, got it now...

At least they are wagging their tails. Maybe and indication how sure they are about their opinion, set in their way, and unlikely to change their barking. Or perhaps just empty rhetoric.

[paulxu]

This study by scientists at Ohio State University may explain a lot of what we run into here in our discussions:


Results confirm that conservatives have lower sensitivity than liberals, performing worse at distinguishing truths and falsehoods. This is partially explained by the fact that the most widely shared falsehoods tend to promote conservative positions, while corresponding truths typically favor liberals.

Interestingly, it was done before the nonsense of January 6th, and the resulting drumbeat of the stolen election lie, and its consequences;

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/23/eabf1234

[Strange Brew]

This study by scientists at Ohio State University may explain a lot of what we run into here in our discussions:



Interestingly, it was done before the nonsense of January 6th, and the resulting drumbeat of the stolen election lie, and its consequences;

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/23/eabf1234

Wonder if this same study asked Lefties if they believe the riots of last summer are mostly peaceful...

Check your premise.

[Masterofreality]

This study by scientists at Ohio State University may explain a lot of what we run into here in our discussions:



Interestingly, it was done before the nonsense of January 6th, and the resulting drumbeat of the stolen election lie, and its consequences;

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/23/eabf1234

Hmmmm. No “Liberals” wanted to give the Wuhan Lab Leak theory any credit last year. It was claimed to be “debunked”. It wasn’t. The same evidence was out there a year ago as is out now. Only one thing changed. Wonder what that was?
Liberals keep spreading the falsehood that a Capitol Police Officer was murdered on January 6. He was not. He unfortunately died of a stroke the next day that had zero to do with what happened the day before. He even called his brother on 1/6 to tell him he was fine.
Also All Liberals were claiming that the Hunter “n-word” Biden laptop story was “Russian Disinformation”. It wasn’t. Every bit of it was true.
Yes. Check your premise. Based upon TDS.

BTW. I’m still waiting for Liberals to offer some, if any defense of this awful President Biden administration. And Kamala Harris is an absolute joke as a VP. Goes to Guatamala and gets embarrassed. Refuses to go to the border but has to restart Wall construction. Yeesh!
How do y’all like gasoline at $3.15? Damn. If we could only produce more energy through pipelines and fracking.

[XU_Lou]

This study by scientists at Ohio State University may explain a lot of what we run into here in our discussions:



Interestingly, it was done before the nonsense of January 6th, and the resulting drumbeat of the stolen election lie, and its consequences;

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/23/eabf1234

Just out of curiosity, if 1 or 2 states are proven to have been stolen (widespread cheating proven), were the events of 1/6 justified (no matter how overblown they are in the grand scheme of things relative to 12 months of rioting, burning, looting, murder and mayhem by Anitfa, BLM and other Democrat entities)?

[bjf123]

Interesting take by Bill Maher on “free college”.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_x5SeXNabd8&feature=youtu.be


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[GoMuskies]

Interesting take by Bill Maher on “free college”.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_x5SeXNabd8&feature=youtu.be



He's not wrong. College is a complete racket. I'm obviously a fan of Xavier, but there's a less than 0.0% chance I'd ever pay full freight to send one of my kids there. Maybe 25% of sticker. Maybe. For most private colleges it would be more like 10%.

Yeah, just looked it up. $56k/year. LOL, no.

[Xville]

He's pretty spot on. "higher" education is an industry begging to be disrupted, and whoever can do it correctly is going to insanely rich.

My kids are young, so this isn't something I necessarily have to worry about yet, but I can imagine there is going to be some real discussion when it comes time to decide if college is worth it for either of my kids. If nothing changes in 13 years, college will probably be in the neighborhood of 100k a year.

I do think living on your own, out of mom and dad's reach is important and probably the most valuable life lesson that college can give, thats not worth the price of admission.

Another rambling thought...you can make damn good money learning a trade, taking an apprenticeship right out of high school, and either working your way up in a speciality trade company, or going out on your own. Don't need college for that either, maybe just some classes here and there on how to run a business.

[boozehound]

He's not wrong. College is a complete racket. I'm obviously a fan of Xavier, but there's a less than 0.0% chance I'd ever pay full freight to send one of my kids there. Maybe 25% of sticker. Maybe. For most private colleges it would be more like 10%.

Yeah, just looked it up. $56k/year. LOL, no.

Yep. You still need the degree to get most good jobs though, so you are kind of screwed. It's the definition of a racket.

There are cost effective ways of doing it, but it requires some effort. I have a buddy who is now a Director at a big local company in his early 40's, so fairly successful. He want to community college for 2 years and then got in the door as a Coop. They then paid for his undergrad degree, and his MBA. He obviously worked very hard and had to go to school nights and weekends while working full time and starting a family, but now he has a great job and no student loan debt.

His story is very practical, and kind of the opposite of paying $50K per year to go to a Private School to pursue a degree in English Literature or Marketing or something.

[Xville]

Yep. You still need the degree to get most good jobs though, so you are kind of screwed. It's the definition of a racket.

There are cost effective ways of doing it, but it requires some effort. I have a buddy who is now a Director at a big local company in his early 40's, so fairly successful. He want to community college for 2 years and then got in the door as a Coop. They then paid for his undergrad degree, and his MBA. He obviously worked very hard and had to go to school nights and weekends while working full time and starting a family, but now he has a great job and no student loan debt.

His story is very practical, and kind of the opposite of paying $50K per year to go to a Private School to pursue a degree in English Literature or Marketing or something.

If you limit one's choices to just white collar jobs, then you are correct. However, what is sorely misunderstood is that there are millions upon millions of jobs available that don't require a degree and pay well. Specialty Trade etc I think are only going to become more and more important and higher paying jobs because quite frankly, a lot of people either don't know how to do things, or just simply don't have the time.

Hell, there is a handyman that me and my neighbors use quite frequently and it is simply because we don't have the time and in some cases the knowledge to do certain things, and the guy is booked up for two months currently.

If you have some common sense, take a few business courses and work hard, you don't need a degree to succeed....now of course if you want to do the desk job or doctor, lawyer or whatever white collar job, yeah you're screwed.

[Smails]

If you have some common sense, take a few business courses and work hard, you don't need a degree to succeed....now of course if you want to do the desk job or doctor, lawyer or whatever white collar job, yeah you're screwed.

This. One of my best friends is a cabinet maker/finish carpenter. He started framing houses out of high school and then became a carpenter. He works from 7:00AM-2:30PM 5 days a week and has cleared 130+ for the last 5 years and he's on track to make much more than that this year. He's booked out through January of 22'.

There has never been a better time for parents to take a good hard look at whether their kid really needs college to carve out a very nice living. Unfortunately, so many parents would rather tell their friends that Johnny is studying sociology at Wittneberg versus letting them know he's in a welding program.

[hoopster68]

Be cautious when extolling the positives of a "blue collar" job. Those same jobs are notoriously dangerous, with disabilities suffered by many. Secondly, some of those same jobs will likely be replaced by robots in the v. near future (autoworkers, delivery drivers, truckers as examples). OTOH, the community college experience as described above should be promoted for more HS students. "Work experience" programs benefit both the student and employer. Finally, colleges are going to be reduced in number: those without a strong mission, significant endowment, and a series of "niche" academic programs will be shuttered or forced to "merge."

[GoMuskies]

Our President and COO surely has a net worth in the 9 figures and went to Emporia State. Tuition (which I'm sure he didn't pay as a football player): $6,797.

[boozehound]

If you limit one's choices to just white collar jobs, then you are correct. However, what is sorely misunderstood is that there are millions upon millions of jobs available that don't require a degree and pay well. Specialty Trade etc I think are only going to become more and more important and higher paying jobs because quite frankly, a lot of people either don't know how to do things, or just simply don't have the time.

Hell, there is a handyman that me and my neighbors use quite frequently and it is simply because we don't have the time and in some cases the knowledge to do certain things, and the guy is booked up for two months currently.

If you have some common sense, take a few business courses and work hard, you don't need a degree to succeed....now of course if you want to do the desk job or doctor, lawyer or whatever white collar job, yeah you're screwed.

I totally agree. I was thinking more white collar jobs. Trades can provide a great middle class living for many people.

We also need to do a better job as a country of incentivizing kids to go into something that they have an aptitude for that will also allow them to earn the kind of living they want to earn, while also matching skills to the future needs of the economy. For example we keep having to import computer programmers from India and Asia because there aren't enough Americans who want to study it.

The absolute worst thing a kid can do, IMHO, is pursue a degree in Sociology or some other field with a low placement rate. Unless their parents are rich, then I guess they can do whatever the hell they want with their money.

Any 'free college' type of programs should be grants / rebates matched to America's economic needs. Not free college to pursue a History degree while smoking tons of weed. I literally know a guy who did just that, and now works landscaping with a 4 year degree.

[noteggs]

Wonder if this same study asked Lefties if they believe the riots of last summer are mostly peaceful...

Check your premise.


Shockingly (not really) they didn’t ask about the riots, sorry peaceful protests. However, a lot of negative Trump stuff. Yeah love the premise they went off, “are conservatives more prone to political misperceptions?” Then used the following methodology:

True statements were/had:
78 Democrat slant/benefit
11 Republican slant/benefit

False statements were/had:
28 Democrat slant
55 Republican slant

Not real hard to predict the results. Actually, I would have been stunned if they came up with a different outcome based off their methodology. I am sure if you flipped flopped the true statements slants, good chance results would as well. Nothing like making sure you find answers to something you already think, while trying to establish it as fact!

Well, guess I’m not completely surprised because study was funded by Facebook and used a social media monitoring system to pick their stories. We know all too well how reliable that system has become. Maybe next time they could do a study on social media suppressing and censuring conservative views that happen to be true. One big problem, they would lose their financial sponsors.

Edit: It is been reported their next study is going to be about misperceptions about covid. Can’t make this stuff up. Now that will be a must read!

[xu82]

Yep. You still need the degree to get most good jobs though, so you are kind of screwed. It's the definition of a racket.

There are cost effective ways of doing it, but it requires some effort. I have a buddy who is now a Director at a big local company in his early 40's, so fairly successful. He want to community college for 2 years and then got in the door as a Coop. They then paid for his undergrad degree, and his MBA. He obviously worked very hard and had to go to school nights and weekends while working full time and starting a family, but now he has a great job and no student loan debt.

His story is very practical, and kind of the opposite of paying $50K per year to go to a Private School to pursue a degree in English Literature or Marketing or something.

We knew a very wealthy family whose son was accepted into Duke. Money was no object (the dad had sold a huge business and retired to start a foundation giving his money away to good causes), but the kid elected to spend the first couple years at community college rather than pay Duke for all 4 years. His rationale was he could still transfer in and have enough money left over to buy a house! Rich and smart!

A family friend was the dean of the business school for a major university after retiring as head of Ford Europe. Over dinner one night he talked about how broken college is. He compared it to an auto plant. Ford didn’t shut the plants down all summer and for weeks at a time over the rest of the year. It wouldn’t cost so much if you could finish in 2-3 years instead of letting that investment in infrastructure sit there empty so much. That’s not even considering virtual options. He hated how wasteful it was and wanted to get kids ready for the real world by making school more like a real job. That would have made the experience a LOT less enjoyable for me! LOL

[Masterofreality]

Still waiting for our resident Liberals to defend Joe Biden and Kamala Harris or point out something that they have done correctly, other than following a vaccine distribution plan that was already in place before inauguration.
Now going on 5 days when they couldn’t wait 5 minutes to attack a President of the other party. Meanwhile another Story that was foisted upon the public about Trumps supposed “photo op” in DC around Lafayette Park- that stated that protestors were cleared from the area to allow Trumps church photo op- is debunked by, of all places, a reporter for NBC!! And the Washington Post is now literally going back and changing headlines and stories that were anti-Trump when they were first published so unless you have a screenshot of the headline, you’ll never know their errors. “Clean up in Column 5!”

Crickets......

[Muskie in dayton]

This study by scientists at Ohio State University may explain a lot of what we run into here in our discussions:

Interestingly, it was done before the nonsense of January 6th, and the resulting drumbeat of the stolen election lie, and its consequences;

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/23/eabf1234

This was also done before:
- The "Trump knew about Russian bounties on our troops" hoax,
- The "Trump threatened the GA Secretary of State to find votes for him" hoax,
- The cover-up of the content on Hunter Biden's laptop
- The "Officer Sidenick was killed by Capital rioters" hoax
- and fresh off the press, the "Trump had peaceful protesters tear-gassed so he could do his bible photo-op" hoax.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/police-clear-lafayette-park-area-trump-hold-bible/story?id=78171712

Yes that's right kids, another media fabrication exposed. Who believes fake news?

Makes you wonder what else they're lying to you about.

[bobbiemcgee]

So you believe the Big Lie, do ya. Think 1/6 were just innocent tourists? Covid was a hoax? I think everyone is glad to be rid of the scumbag.

[paulxu]

A Washington Post timeline on June 8,2020, (that's a year ago)reviewing the trouble on Lafayette Square, points out that the police were clearing the protestors so contractors could erect new barriers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/06/08/timeline-trump-church-photo-op/

[Masterofreality]

So you believe the Big Lie, do ya. Think 1/6 were just innocent tourists? Covid was a hoax? I think everyone is glad to be rid of the scumbag.

Still living in the past and ignoring the present. Still.
-Border crisis
-$3.25/Gal gas
-Inflation rising
-Supply chains disrupted
-VP embarrassing on a friendly NBC interview and embarrassed in Guatemala by its President
-Violence between Israel & Hamas
-Unemployment payments encouraging laziness & not enough workers.
-Riots still happening in Portland
-China and Putin toying with Biden
-Presidents crack addicted son is a racist bastard who just throws the N word around indiscriminately.

Hey!! It’s going great. How about moving attention into the current Administration period since that is what is affecting daily life now.

[JEHARDI]

No fan of Biden but you are ignoring the fact that a number of these issues were going to happen regardless who won.



Still living in the past and ignoring the present. Still.
-Border crisis - ongoing issue, the wall was a waste of $.
-$3.25/Gal gas - pipeline decision was a poor one but has not yet had an impact on gas prices. They would be where they are regardless.
-Inflation rising- Trump spent like a Democrat, we were going to be dealing with inflation regardless.
-Supply chains disrupted- supply chain issues were set in motion well before Biden.
-VP embarrassing on a friendly NBC interview and embarrassed in Guatemala by its President - agree
-Violence between Israel & Hamas- age old problem that has flared up for generations
-Unemployment payments encouraging laziness & not enough workers. - Trump spent like a Democrat and he killed the GA republican senators chances when he made them backtrack on their lack of support for the additional stimulus
-Riots still happening in Portland - agree
-China and Putin toying with Biden- they toyed with Trump too, nothing new.
-Presidents crack addicted son is a racist bastard who just throws the N word around indiscriminately. - agree, he is a jackass.

Hey!! It’s going great. How about moving attention into the current Administration period since that is what is affecting daily life now.

[bobbiemcgee]

Gas prices = Colonial pipeline fiasco, Texas refineries freeze (took weeks and months to get back online) due to inept Governor, demand up 60% over Memorial Day as people get the hell out of Dodge. Or your basic supply and demand.
trump Pandemic?= no demand. Cue Dr. Mastrianni.

[Strange Brew]

Gas prices = Colonial pipeline fiasco, Texas refineries freeze (took weeks and months to get back online) due to inept Governor, demand up 60% over Memorial Day as people get the hell out of Dodge. Or your basic supply and demand.
trump Pandemic?= no demand. Cue Dr. Mastrianni.

Gas prices were low by comparison before the pandemic. Energy independence/adundance = high supply = lower commodity prices.

[boozehound]

We knew a very wealthy family whose son was accepted into Duke. Money was no object (the dad had sold a huge business and retired to start a foundation giving his money away to good causes), but the kid elected to spend the first couple years at community college rather than pay Duke for all 4 years. His rationale was he could still transfer in and have enough money left over to buy a house! Rich and smart!


That's a great plan for a responsible kid. I'd be a little concerned about giving a less responsible young adult the option of taking cash instead of tuition, but it sounds like it worked in this case. You could always offer a deal along the lines of "If you graduate from X University (in this case, Duke), you can take the rest of your college fund in the form of a down payment on a house".

I'm planning to give each of my kids a set amount for college: somewhere between $100K and $200K, but probably closer to $100K. It's not going to cover 4 years tuition + Room and Board at an expensive school, but that's kind of the point. I'd like for them to have some 'skin in the game' so that they aren't just screwing around. That $100K is also subject to my approval of their course of study - I'm not paying for bullshit majors or bad grades.

[paulxu]

If they only use $100K and not $200K, perhaps you might consider a donation to the paulxu retirement fund?
(check with your accountant on the potential tax implications)

[bjf123]

If they only use $100K and not $200K, perhaps you might consider a donation to the paulxu retirement fund?
(check with your accountant on the potential tax implications)

Get started on that 501(c)(3) paperwork!


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[paulxu]

Get started on that 501(c)(3) paperwork!


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In process. Nigel assures me there's nothing to worry about.

[boozehound]

You'll be disappointed to hear that my oldest kid is only 7, so it's a while before I'll find out how much I need(ed). I'm disappointed that $100K a kid is unlikely to cover the total cost of their education!

[Smails]

You'll be disappointed to hear that my oldest kid is only 7, so it's a while before I'll find out how much I need(ed). I'm disappointed that $100K a kid is unlikely to cover the total cost of their education!

That's grotesque..

There's no way these costs can continue to go up at the same rate they have over the last 10 years...right?

I have a set limit for each of my 3 kids and the rest will be on them. The concept of fully paying for college is just not something my family has ever embraced. It started with my grandpa and went to my parents. They helped us (2 sibs), but ended up paying less than half when it was all said and done. We got jobs while in school, got some athletic money and took out loans for the rest. My sibs and I had student loans until we were 30, paid them off and moved on.

Because of that model, my parents were able to retire at a reasonable age and are really enjoying their back 9. I'm going to help my kids, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go into dire straits and not be able to enjoy a retirement that I've worked my ass off for. Kids need to have some skin in the game IMO.

[Strange Brew]

It’ll be interesting to see how the market reacts to the ridiculous cost. Could see young adults doing two years online at a JUCO while working a paid apprenticeship. Then deciding to finish out the last two years at a standard University or continuing their trade. This could be a great opportunity for schools to setup a trade/core course program for two years as a type of work/study on the cheap and then the students decide which path is best. Crazy idea now but then again so is $200k per kid.

[xu82]

That's a great plan for a responsible kid. I'd be a little concerned about giving a less responsible young adult the option of taking cash instead of tuition, but it sounds like it worked in this case. You could always offer a deal along the lines of "If you graduate from X University (in this case, Duke), you can take the rest of your college fund in the form of a down payment on a house".

I'm planning to give each of my kids a set amount for college: somewhere between $100K and $200K, but probably closer to $100K. It's not going to cover 4 years tuition + Room and Board at an expensive school, but that's kind of the point. I'd like for them to have some 'skin in the game' so that they aren't just screwing around. That $100K is also subject to my approval of their course of study - I'm not paying for bullshit majors or bad grades.

The bold part is critical! We were very fortunate to have purchased Florida pre-paid college plans when the kids were both in diapers. It was peanuts, like $2-4k and got them 4 years of tuition. Good grades helped some with the rest of the costs. Our son didn’t know what he wanted to major in (what 17-18 year old kid really does?), so almost by default he decided on “business”. My banker wife put her foot down and said “you will NOT just be another finance major, I don’t even LOOK at those job applications!” She shamed into a dual major of finance/accounting.

That was not enough to satisfy her or him, so he stayed another year for a Masters in accounting. Since the first 4 years were almost free, we footed the bill for that and he got his CPA designation.

He quickly learned he wanted out of accounting! Doing financial due diligence on acquisitions pays a fraction of what the guys earn who MAKE the deals. Time to go back to school (nights and weekends) to get his $80k+ MBA. THIS is where he finally got some skin in the game by getting student loans. We know he’s serious about it, and we have helped some, but I’m sure that he will appreciate it far more having been personally committed to it financially (even if we bail him out a bit later if/when kids start coming).

NOW, if he was trying to pursue a PhD in 16th Century Italian Art, have at it, but you’re on your own!

[Masterofreality]

No fan of Biden but you are ignoring the fact that a number of these issues were going to happen regardless who won.

No. They. Were. Not.

Inflation? Gas Prices? Embarrassing VP? The Border? Trump’s kid caught using the N-word numerous times? Supply chains disrupted because of too generous unemployment benefits keeping people home? Nah. No way.

[Masterofreality]

A Washington Post timeline on June 8,2020, (that's a year ago)reviewing the trouble on Lafayette Square, points out that the police were clearing the protestors so contractors could erect new barriers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/06/08/timeline-trump-church-photo-op/

Uh, the Washington Post, which is now routinely going back and editing published stories from the last 4 years to make them appear different, ran 2 stories on 6/4/20 and 6/11/20 comparing Lafayette Square and Trump to the Kremlin and Tienimen Square in China. They are the lowest of the lows in credibility now.
And the IG who cleared this up has an impeccable reputation under 4 different Presidents.
The Washington Post and NY Times on this story are full of it. And, of course, Paul still trusts them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/11/how-clearing-lafayette-square-made-white-house-look-bit-more-like-kremlin/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/06/04/trump-tiananmen-square-protests-lafayette/

[bobbiemcgee]

Thx for the paywall articles. Guess you subscribe.



https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/10/politics/house-intelligence-committee-apple-data-trump-justice-department-doj/index.html

[Strange Brew]

Disgusting:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/06/10/politics/house-intelligence-committee-apple-data-trump-justice-department-doj/index.html

Sources say huh.....

[paulxu]

The clearing of the square did make us look a little thuggish.
A smarter guy might have realized that it was not a good time for an upside down Bible photo op.
But, I'm assuming you didn't read the article I posted from the Post, on June 8th, where they clearly identified the actions as being planned for barrier construction.

[boozehound]

That's grotesque..

There's no way these costs can continue to go up at the same rate they have over the last 10 years...right?

I have a set limit for each of my 3 kids and the rest will be on them. The concept of fully paying for college is just not something my family has ever embraced. It started with my grandpa and went to my parents. They helped us (2 sibs), but ended up paying less than half when it was all said and done. We got jobs while in school, got some athletic money and took out loans for the rest. My sibs and I had student loans until we were 30, paid them off and moved on.

Because of that model, my parents were able to retire at a reasonable age and are really enjoying their back 9. I'm going to help my kids, but I'll be damned if I'm going to go into dire straits and not be able to enjoy a retirement that I've worked my ass off for. Kids need to have some skin in the game IMO.

I think that costs have to stop rising, if not reverse, for higher education. I don't see how this is sustainable. I graduated from Xavier in 2004, and full boat tuition + Room and board was around $25K and just tuition was about $15K if I remember correctly. Now it's $56K? Meanwhile starting salaries for graduates haven't even come close to keeping pace with that type of inflation.

The whole thing is crazy for so many reasons, but here are a few of my top ones

1. The whole country is convinced that the sole road to prosperity is though a college education. This isn't entirely incorrect - college graduates have fared MUCH better over the last 20 years than people without a degree, but not everybody is cut out for college.

2. Literally anybody can get in to a college (there are a million of them), and literally anybody can borrow large amounts of money to pay for it. The lenders have kind of a sweetheart deal in that student loan debt is basically the only thing you can't file bankruptcy on, so they lend indiscriminately to 18-20 year old kids without fear of having the debt erased via bankruptcy filing. As a lending entity there aren't a lot of places where you can get that type of deal.

3. Most kids entering college have wildly unrealistic expectations about their job prospects upon graduation. Everyone I knew in college thought that they were going to get a much better job than they did upon graduation, myself included. If you think you are going to walk into a job paying $80K right out of college, why not borrow $100K+ for your degree?

If more people (mostly parents) start really challenging the value equation college provides, I think that will have an impact on costs. I know when it comes time for my kids to attend college we are going to have some real discussions about cost-benefit. My siblings and I were fortunate in that my parents paid for college. However, part of the deal was that we (1) got good grades and that (2) they had veto power over majors and school choice. I double majored in Finance and IT because they were the two courses of study (within the business school) that had the highest placement rates at the time. Still - I won't do the same for my kids because I don't think that any of us took it seriously enough. I'd be more likely to pay my kids student loans in full upon graduation as a 'surprise' graduation gift than to let them know up front that I'm paying for school completely.

[Muskie in dayton]

So you believe the Big Lie, do ya. Think 1/6 were just innocent tourists? Covid was a hoax? I think everyone is glad to be rid of the scumbag.
I had to look up "the Big Lie". I don't know about all that, but what I do know is the media has outright lied to us to promote a narrative, as evidenced by my examples above. That is a fact.

1/6 innocent tourists? No. But there are videos showing cops letting them through the fencing around the Capital, and videos of cops allowing to move freely about the Capital, with only the advise of "remain peaceful". There is also evidence of leftist agitation. Most importantly, the media - again - has grossly exaggerated the events that day.

Covid a hoax? That's ridiculous. Covid is a bad virus that has resulted in significant sickness and death. But - yet again - it has been grossly exaggerated by the media, in combination with false information being presented by governmental agencies.

If you'd like me to explain any of these, I'd be happy to. But the facts have been presented ad nauseum here and on the Covid thread. If I need to explain, you either aren't paying attention or refuse to recognize reality.

I answered your questions, but you still refuse to answer me. Bobbie - do you still believe what you hear from the media and from our government without question?

[bobbiemcgee]

Honestly, I can't imagine someone had to google the "Big Lie' after 8 months. It's been covered by nearly every news source almost daily. Anyway, covid was over and hasn't been an issue for me since I got my shots in January. I've been like a kid in a candy store since, traveling everywhere I can, the Mountains, Atlanta to see the grands, Catalina, Florida, Texas (family reunion) Vegas twice and Arizona to stay with a golfing buddy. Off to Aspen for the weekend. I'm an old fart on kidney dialysis, so I have to arrange for that along the way.
I'm sure you're right about the MSM, although I'm not even sure who they are anymore as everybody points fingers at the other. However, if you were sitting on your couch on 1/6 and watching TV, you could have turned off the sound on any station and quickly figured out what was going on. Frankly at my age, I wouldn't give a poop anymore except for the kids. As far as believing what I hear from the gov't, I am a Vietnam ERA Veteran, which is all you need to know about that fiasco and gov't lying. I am a proud X grad like you and promote the X brand everywhere I go. As we say back in the 60's, PEACE OUT! Life ain't so bad.

[Strange Brew]

Honestly, I can't imagine someone had to google the "Big Lie' after 8 months. It's been covered by nearly every news source almost daily. Anyway, covid was over and hasn't been an issue for me since I got my shots in January. I've been like a kid in a candy store since, traveling everywhere I can, the Mountains, Atlanta to see the grands, Catalina, Florida, Texas (family reunion) Vegas twice and Arizona to stay with a golfing buddy. Off to Aspen for the weekend. I'm an old fart on kidney dialysis, so I have to arrange for that along the way.
I'm sure you're right about the MSM, although I'm not even sure who they are anymore as everybody points fingers at the other. However, if you were sitting on your couch on 1/6 and watching TV, you could have turned off the sound on any station and quickly figured out what was going on. Frankly at my age, I wouldn't give a poop anymore except for the kids. As far as believing what I hear from the gov't, I am a Vietnam ERA Veteran, which is all you need to know about that fiasco and gov't lying. I am a proud X grad like you and promote the X brand everywhere I go. As we say back in the 60's, PEACE OUT! Life ain't so bad.

Honestly, you’re comments were the first place I heard it as well. Could be the sources you read…

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you have Google? 62,000,000 results.

[Strange Brew]

Do you have Google? 62,000,000 results.

I do Google but it’s not where I get my information unless I’m looking for directions or a place to eat when I’m out of town.

[noteggs]

I do Google but it’s not where I get my information unless I’m looking for directions or a place to eat when I’m out of town.

Well apparently you’re missing out...

[Strange Brew]

Well apparently you’re missing out...

Sigh, I know…

[XU_Lou]

New video PROVES that "Antifa Black Bloc" Was First to Breach Capitol on January 6 (BTW, we knew this on 1/7 from on-the-ground reports - but as usual, the MSM didn't report it, and was dismissed as conspiracy):

https://thelibertydaily.com/that-aint-maga-video-shows-antifa-black-bloc-first-to-breach-capitol-on-january-6/

Sorry, Bobbie and Paul, your narrative continues to crumble....

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-all-black-2021-1

[Strange Brew]

https://www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-all-black-2021-1

John Sullivan is a Proud Boy? Who knew…

[XU_Lou]

https://www.businessinsider.com/proud-boys-attend-january-6-dc-rally-incognito-all-black-2021-1

Did you notice that the article is from 1/3/21 - and did you notice in the headline "claim they will attend".

Sorry, that is not the Proud Boys entering the U.S. Capitol - that is Antifa. John Sullivan - an Antifa leader - was filmed in the building! This is from wikipedia (see page for facts and citations of quotes):

"By May 2021, Sullivan faced eight charges for his involvement in the siege, including an allegation he incited rioters so he could video the violence, later selling the video to news outlets for $90,000, which prosecutors confiscated. Prosecutors alleged Sullivan told another individual, "I brought my megaphone to instigate shit. I was like, guys we're going inside, we're fucking shit up... I'm gonna make these Trump supporters fuck all this shit up." CNN, NBC News and The Washington Post paid Sullivan for his video."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Earle_Sullivan

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe if we could get some pub senators off their asses and vote for the commission, maybe we could actually find out. But you know that ain't gonna happen.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/28/senate-republicans-filibuster-jan-6-commission-likely-dooming-independent-investigation-491323

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/republicans-have-a-good-reason-not-to-want-to-investigate-jan-6-theyre-to-blame

[bobbiemcgee]

New video PROVES that "Antifa Black Bloc" Was First to Breach Capitol on January 6 (BTW, we knew this on 1/7 from on-the-ground reports - but as usual, the MSM didn't report it, and was dismissed as conspiracy):

https://thelibertydaily.com/that-aint-maga-video-shows-antifa-black-bloc-first-to-breach-capitol-on-january-6/

Sorry, Bobbie and Paul, your narrative continues to crumble....

Here’s what Media Bias Fact Check says about it:

"In review, The Liberty Daily does not produce original content. Like the Drudge Report they link to curated/aggregated news stories from other sources. The story selection always favors the right and most times denigrates the left. In order to review the bias and credibility of The Liberty Daily, we simply followed the links to see what sources they led to. We randomly chose 50 news stories and calculated the sources used. Out of 50 stories, all sources used were either rate Right Biased, Questionable, or Conspiracy-Pseudoscience. In fact, more than 50% of the sources used were either Questionable or Conspiracy sites. Some notable sources used are Breitbart (Questionable), DcDirtyLaundry (Questionable), Neon Nettle (Conspiracy), Big League Politics (Questionable) and Red State (Questionable). Further, 100% of the sources had a factual rating of Mixed or less. In general, The Liberty Daily curates strongly right leaning news from sources that are not always factual.

A factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check as they do not produce original content. However, the sources used on this website have failed numerous fact checks.

Overall, we rate The Liberty Daily Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, use of sources who routinely fail fact checks as well as a complete lack of transparency regarding who is behind the website.

Or in other words, avoid this rubbish." - Quora

Far Right Garbage

[Strange Brew]

Here’s what Media Bias Fact Check says about it:

"In review, The Liberty Daily does not produce original content. Like the Drudge Report they link to curated/aggregated news stories from other sources. The story selection always favors the right and most times denigrates the left. In order to review the bias and credibility of The Liberty Daily, we simply followed the links to see what sources they led to. We randomly chose 50 news stories and calculated the sources used. Out of 50 stories, all sources used were either rate Right Biased, Questionable, or Conspiracy-Pseudoscience. In fact, more than 50% of the sources used were either Questionable or Conspiracy sites. Some notable sources used are Breitbart (Questionable), DcDirtyLaundry (Questionable), Neon Nettle (Conspiracy), Big League Politics (Questionable) and Red State (Questionable). Further, 100% of the sources had a factual rating of Mixed or less. In general, The Liberty Daily curates strongly right leaning news from sources that are not always factual.

A factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check as they do not produce original content. However, the sources used on this website have failed numerous fact checks.

Overall, we rate The Liberty Daily Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, use of sources who routinely fail fact checks as well as a complete lack of transparency regarding who is behind the website.

Or in other words, avoid this rubbish." - Quora

Far Right Garbage

There's am article by Newsweek that confirms Sullivan's involvement and agitation. Use your Google machine.

[XU_Lou]

Here’s what Media Bias Fact Check says about it:

"In review, The Liberty Daily does not produce original content. Like the Drudge Report they link to curated/aggregated news stories from other sources. The story selection always favors the right and most times denigrates the left. In order to review the bias and credibility of The Liberty Daily, we simply followed the links to see what sources they led to. We randomly chose 50 news stories and calculated the sources used. Out of 50 stories, all sources used were either rate Right Biased, Questionable, or Conspiracy-Pseudoscience. In fact, more than 50% of the sources used were either Questionable or Conspiracy sites. Some notable sources used are Breitbart (Questionable), DcDirtyLaundry (Questionable), Neon Nettle (Conspiracy), Big League Politics (Questionable) and Red State (Questionable). Further, 100% of the sources had a factual rating of Mixed or less. In general, The Liberty Daily curates strongly right leaning news from sources that are not always factual.

A factual search reveals they have not failed a fact check as they do not produce original content. However, the sources used on this website have failed numerous fact checks.

Overall, we rate The Liberty Daily Questionable based on extreme right wing bias, use of sources who routinely fail fact checks as well as a complete lack of transparency regarding who is behind the website.

Or in other words, avoid this rubbish." - Quora

Far Right Garbage

Of course! If it's not from approved state media it's obviously biased conspiracy tripe!!

This is precisely why Democrats remain wholly ignorant of reality....

[bobbiemcgee]

There's am article by Newsweek that confirms Sullivan's involvement and agitation. Use your Google machine.

You might try yours out for a brand new experience lol

[bobbiemcgee]

Of course! If it's not from approved state media it's obviously biased conspiracy tripe!!

This is precisely why Democrats remain wholly ignorant of reality....

They just publish crap to gin up the extreme far right, like you. No sources ever. Just make shit up.

[XU_Lou]

They just publish crap to gin up the extreme far right, like you. No sources ever. Just make shit up.

Do you deny any of this:

"By May 2021, Sullivan faced eight charges for his involvement in the siege, including an allegation he incited rioters so he could video the violence, later selling the video to news outlets for $90,000, which prosecutors confiscated. Prosecutors alleged Sullivan told another individual, "I brought my megaphone to instigate shit. I was like, guys we're going inside, we're fucking shit up... I'm gonna make these Trump supporters fuck all this shit up." CNN, NBC News and The Washington Post paid Sullivan for his video."

[bobbiemcgee]

CNN, NBC News and The Washington Post paid Sullivan for his video."

DOJ confiscated the 90k, so he got nada.

[XU_Lou]

DOJ confiscated the 90k, so he got nada.

Who cares???? Nice try on the obfuscation!!

Sorry, you can pretend and obfuscate all you want, but we all know - including you - that an Antifa leader was filmed inside the Cap bldg - and has admitted that he was there to stir shit up and instigate the storming of the bldg.

[Xville]

Do you deny any of this:

"By May 2021, Sullivan faced eight charges for his involvement in the siege, including an allegation he incited rioters so he could video the violence, later selling the video to news outlets for $90,000, which prosecutors confiscated. Prosecutors alleged Sullivan told another individual, "I brought my megaphone to instigate shit. I was like, guys we're going inside, we're fucking shit up... I'm gonna make these Trump supporters fuck all this shit up." CNN, NBC News and The Washington Post paid Sullivan for his video."

So extreme left and right freakshows can’t think for themselves and just do whatever people tell them to think and do? We already knew that. Lock them all up.

[Strange Brew]

ABC reporter who broke the Clinton/Lynch tarmac story was found dead in his apartment. Apparent suicide. What is it about getting close to or exposing the Clinton’s that makes one want to take their own life…..

[noteggs]

Maybe if we could get some pub senators off their asses and vote for the commission, maybe we could actually find out. But you know that ain't gonna happen.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/05/28/senate-republicans-filibuster-jan-6-commission-likely-dooming-independent-investigation-491323

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/05/republicans-have-a-good-reason-not-to-want-to-investigate-jan-6-theyre-to-blame

According to FBI Director Wray’s testimony recently “there are hundreds and hundreds and hundreds investigations into the events of January 6.” Honestly, what would we get from a Congressional commission, but a theater shit show from both sides after it is presented.

I guess politicians can do their usual grandstanding and create public opinions by cherry picking while dividing us further. Not to mention the BS leaks before that will already form those opinions.

Hopefully we can take vast information from several of Wray’s hundreds of investigation and make some meaningful changes without the political crap. Not good for ratings, but problem solved.

[bobbiemcgee]

There were 33 Congressional hearings on Benghazi, longer than 9/11, JFK, Pearl Harbor or Watergate. Expect no fewer on 1/6 now that the commission was voted down.

[bjf123]

There were 33 Congressional hearings on Benghazi, longer than 9/11, JFK, Pearl Harbor or Watergate. Expect no fewer on 1/6 now that the commission was voted down.

With probably the same results.


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[XU_Lou]

A letter from inside Joe Biden's gulag by Jonathan Mellis who has been in solitary confinement since February awaiting trial:

"We are charged with every possible offense and held in the DC jail on solitary [sic] confinement and treated inhumanely. For example, a correctional officer from a different pod came to C2B screaming at us late at night on 6/1/21 because we had just sang ‘God Bless America’ [sic] from behind our locked doors like we do every night. Being as we are on lockdown 22 hours a day it’s nice to keep morale up through patriotism. When [name omitted by American Greatness], my next door neighbor, informed the officer that we were just singing ‘God Bless America’ the officer responded by yelling, ‘Fuck America!’

After the officer left the pod for several minutes he came back in through the back door with another guard, walked upstairs, and opened [name omitted]’s door to go inside with him. I believe 2 other guards came up the other stairs to stand near [his] door as well, although I could not see them. I live right next door so I listened through the vent to the officer threaten [him], ‘Shut the fuck up or I will beat your ass!’ and, ‘Fuck you!’

[He] sounded like he was explaining himself and pointing out how obviously inappropriate the officer’s behavior was. And acknowledging that the officer’s camera was clearly turned off.

I am concerned for the safety of myself and my fellow Capitol rioters here in the DC jail. We are locked down all day and threatened with violence regularly. We all know that getting our hands tied together and being beaten is something the DC jail officers have already done to Capitol rioters in this pod.

Solitary Confinement and beatings. That is our reality. When will the inhumane treatment end? I just want to let everyone know the reality of how we are treated in this place. Left wing rioters are not even held in jail. Much less subjected to the harsh and inhumane treatment my fellow Capitol rioters and I have survived under so far this year."

Seriously, is this North Fucking Korea?!?!?

https://amgreatness.com/2021/06/10/letters-from-a-d-c-jail/

[bobbiemcgee]

Ironic. He got arrested for beating cops:

https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-man-capitol-riot-fbi-arrested-jonathan-gennaro-mellis-1570140

[XU_Lou]

Ironic. He got arrested for beating cops:

https://www.newsweek.com/virginia-man-capitol-riot-fbi-arrested-jonathan-gennaro-mellis-1570140

Ironic, yes, but is it now alright to beat prisoners?? Is that now acceptable? Is it also alright to keep prisoners in solitary confinement? Is that the new America standard now set out Democrats? ESPECIALLY when you contrast that with how Anitfa and BLM thugs were treated, ie., mostly free to walk away.

[bobbiemcgee]

maybe because there weren't any arrested:

"Some say the riots were caused by Antifa," McCarthy said Wednesday. "There is absolutely no evidence of that, and conservatives should be the first to say so."

[Strange Brew]

maybe because there weren't any:

"Some say the riots were caused by Antifa," McCarthy said Wednesday. "There is absolutely no evidence of that, and conservatives should be the first to say so."

Well, McCarthy said it. I'll just ignore everything else that is easily available.

Surprised you didn't want the prison guards to receive medals. I guess an officer has to kill an unarmed Trump supporter to get a Bobbie medal. Beating Maga is just expected not rewarded....

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-03-02/fbi-director-wray-no-apparent-antifa-involvement-in-jan-6-attack

Fbi too

[Strange Brew]

https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2021-03-02/fbi-director-wray-no-apparent-antifa-involvement-in-jan-6-attack

Fbi too

Same FBI that originally labeled an assassination attempt by a Bernie supporter, "suicide by cop".

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, McCarthy said it. I'll just ignore everything else that is easily available.

Surprised you didn't want the prison guards to receive medals. I guess an officer has to kill an unarmed Trump supporter to get a Bobbie medal. Beating Maga is just expected not rewarded....

Yeah, go out and beat up at Denver Cop with a stick and make sure you stab him with it numerous times, then expect a warm reception from the guards.

[Strange Brew]

Yeah, go out and beat up at Denver Cop with a stick and make sure you stab him with it numerous times, then expect a warm reception from the guards.

No thanks. I prefer to thank them when I'm downtown for dealing with the lefty anti cop protestors and other agitators.

[bobbiemcgee]

No thanks.

Exactly

[Strange Brew]

Exactly

You exactly created a nonsensical hypothetical situation instead of answering questions. Do you feel the protestors should be confined in solitary and beaten and/or should the guards be rewarded as you stated the nameless Capital officer should have been?

Also Sullivan is Antifa. Was at the rally. In his own words was there to film and agitate the crowd.

[tacopizza885]

Disaffected Republicans appear to be highly funded, and are jumping head first into this game.


https://youtu.be/3xtLXDTxJsA

I realize there are a multitude of investigations going on in New York, dealing with Trump's tax issues. Realize that there are new calls for Bill Barr to testify in congress, about an "enemy's list" that took things much further than the Nixon debacle (through gag orders, and unprecedented violations of privacy rights... Apple subpoenas and claims of a "witch hunt" within it's own "witch hunt").

Blame the enemy for your own sins/contradictions, seems to be a very strong indicator of a behavioral disorder. (Among educated, certified psychological profilers, that is). But we can all throw pseudo science out with Fauci. Along with the Iraq War, deficit spending under conservative leadership, and My GOD, Dennis Hastert (the old Matt Gaetz).

When does the MyPillow guy have his next event?

[bobbiemcgee]

You exactly created a nonsensical hypothetical situation instead of answering questions. Do you feel the protestors should be confined in solitary and beaten and/or should the guards be rewarded as you stated the nameless Capital officer should have been?

Also Sullivan is Antifa. Was at the rally. In his own words was there to film and agitate the crowd.

I think it's hilarious you " lock 'em up and throw away the key" righties of a few years ago are now concerned for the whiny felons of today. Mellis never said he was beaten. Sullivan denies any connection to Antifa. He was also arrested as he should have been.

"One man accused of being an "antifa thug," for example, is actually a supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory. Another man labeled as an antifa activist is really a known neo-Nazi." - Politifact

[bobbiemcgee]

I think it's hilarious you " lock 'em up and throw away the key" righties of a few years ago are now concerned for the whiny felons of today. Mellis never said he was beaten. Sullivan denies any connection to Antifa. He was also arrested as he should have been.

"One man accused of being an "antifa thug," for example, is actually a supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory. Another man labeled as an antifa activist is really a known neo-Nazi." - Politifact

What is it you guys always said? " If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".

[Strange Brew]

Disaffected Republicans appear to be highly funded, and are jumping head first into this game.


https://youtu.be/3xtLXDTxJsA

I realize there are a multitude of investigations going on in New York, dealing with Trump's tax issues. Realize that there are new calls for Bill Barr to testify in congress, about an "enemy's list" that took things much further than the Nixon debacle (through gag orders, and unprecedented violations of privacy rights... Apple subpoenas and claims of a "witch hunt" within it's own "witch hunt").

Blame the enemy for your own sins/contradictions, seems to be a very strong indicator of a behavioral disorder. (Among educated, certified psychological profilers, that is). But we can all throw pseudo science out with Fauci. Along with the Iraq War, deficit spending under conservative leadership, and My GOD, Dennis Hastert (the old Matt Gaetz)

When does the MyPillow guy have his next event?

Sick. Yes, those who stormed the beaches under the flag are the same as those who burn it.

To say the terrorists in this country share any of the values of the WWII generation/veterans is a gross, propagandist perversion of history. For example, the WWII generation fought the spread of Socialism/Communism (Nazis were Socialist) after the war. Is regulating speech and vandalizing the past a sign of liberal tolerance or authoritarianism?

Also, can someone here provide their definition of Fascism? I don’t think anyone who uses it (especially Antifa) really knows what it is. I see plenty of references to the National Socialist German Workers Party but they weren’t Fascists. Authoritarian Socialist with a sociopathic occult fetish sure. However, not actual Fascists. The Italians were fascists at the time. One thing the Nazis, Communists and Fascists hated was Capitalism and the idea of limitations on central authority.

[Strange Brew]

I think it's hilarious you " lock 'em up and throw away the key" righties of a few years ago are now concerned for the whiny felons of today. Mellis never said he was beaten. Sullivan denies any connection to Antifa. He was also arrested as he should have been.

"One man accused of being an "antifa thug," for example, is actually a supporter of the QAnon conspiracy theory. Another man labeled as an antifa activist is really a known neo-Nazi." - Politifact

Nope. Sullivan is a known Antifa member and the Nazis are not American rightwing but at least you’re acknowledging he was there stirring up trouble. Also nice try at deflecting with the righties “lock em up” reference. That was Biden in the 90s and it certainly isn’t my position.

[bobbiemcgee]

Wray, trump's appointee, sez there was no antifa there:

“We have not to date seen any evidence of anarchist violent extremists or people subscribing to antifa in connection with the 6th," Wray said in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee..........

[bobbiemcgee]

What is it you guys always said? " If you can't do the time, don't do the crime".

......

[Strange Brew]

Wray, trump's appointee, sez there was no antifa there:

“We have not to date seen any evidence of anarchist violent extremists or people subscribing to antifa in connection with the 6th," Wray said in testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee..........

Who’s his current boss again..

Back to the point. Should the protestors be put in solitary and abused?

[Masterofreality]

The owner of the Muckraking Yellow Journalistic Outrage Infested Washington Post everyone- Jeff Beelzebub Bezos.
Do as I say and make me rich while I publish unbalanced garbage, but don’t look into what I do with my company.
Stop shopping at Amazon people and support local stores.
From the New York Times, in a rare piece of journalism:

“ In his drive to create the world’s most efficient company, Jeff Bezos discovered what he thought was another inefficiency worth eliminating: hourly employees who spent years working for the same company.

Longtime employees expected to receive raises. They also became less enthusiastic about the work, Amazon’s data suggested. And they were a potential source of internal discontent.

Bezos came to believe that an entrenched blue-collar work force represented “a march to mediocrity,” as David Niekerk, a former Amazon executive who built the company’s warehouse human resources operations, told The Times, as part of an investigative project being published this morning. “What he would say is that our nature as humans is to expend as little energy as possible to get what we want or need.”

In response, Amazon encouraged employee turnover. After three years on the job, hourly workers no longer received automatic raises, and the company offered bonuses to people who quit. It also offered limited upward mobility for hourly workers, preferring to hire managers from the outside.

As is often the case with one of Amazon’s business strategies, it worked.

Turnover at Amazon is much higher than at many other companies — with an annual rate of roughly 150 percent for warehouse workers, The Times’s story discloses, which means that the number who leave the company over a full year is larger than the level of total warehouse employment. The churn is so high that it’s visible in the government’s statistics on turnover in the entire warehouse industry: When Amazon opens a new fulfillment center, local turnover often surges. ” The new Times story — by Jodi Kantor, Karen Weise and Grace Ashford — is full of fresh details, including internal company statistics, posts from internal message boards and interviews with Amazon workers and executives, both current and former. The story focuses on JFK8, a sprawling Staten Island warehouse, as it coped with the coronavirus pandemic and the surge in demand for online shopping.

If nothing else, I recommend you read the article to hear the story of the Castillo family. While Alberto Castillo, a 42-year-old husband, father and Amazon worker, was in the hospital suffering from Covid-related brain damage, the company sent him an email ordering him back to work. “Haven’t they kept track of what happened to him?” his wife, Ann, wondered.

At Amazon, workers sometimes find out about a new shift only the day before, scrambling their family routine. When workers want to get in touch with human resources by phone, they must navigate an automated process that can resemble an airline customer-service department during a storm. Employees are constantly tracked and evaluated based on their amount of T.O.T., or time off task. One employee who had earned consistent praise was fired for a single bad shift.

What a great guy!! :-(

[Smails]

I think it's hilarious you " lock 'em up and throw away the key" righties of a few years ago are now concerned for the whiny felons of today.


Who are these righties that you speak of that have advocated for solitary confinement and the abuse of prisoners? Do you have examples of people on this board who took those positions? Do you understand that being tough on crime is not advocating for civil rights violations? I think once again this is an example of some trumped up stereotype you cooked up in that noggin of yours. You literally make shit up.

[Masterofreality]

Per CNBC today:

“ On the data front, the final demand index for producer prices advanced 6.6% for the 12 months ended in May, the largest increase since 12-month data were first calculated in November 2010.
On a monthly basis, the producer price index for final demand rose 0.8%, ahead of the Dow Jones estimate of 0.6%. Producer prices measure the prices paid to producers as opposed to prices on the consumer level.
Meanwhile, May's retail sales data fell 1.3%, compared to an expectation of a 0.7% decline per economists polled by Dow Jones.”

Yay! #BidensAmerica is going just great!!!

[bobbiemcgee]

Who’s his current boss again..

So you think Biden should fire him?

[Strange Brew]

So you think Biden should fire him?

Didn’t say that.

Do you think the protestors should be played in solitary and abused?

[bobbiemcgee]

Didn’t say that.

You obviously don't like the FBI's stand on the riot, so what 's your alternative, appoint Ted Cruz?

[Strange Brew]

You obviously don't like the FBI's stand on the riot, so what 's your alternative, appoint Ted Cruz?

Do you think the protestors should be placed in solitary and abused?

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you think the protestors should be placed in solitary and abused?

We have Mellis' word they are being abused... an asshole who should have been charged with attempted murder. Do you believe him?

They got lockdowned due to the pandemic. Lifted June 11th:

"Inmates will be allowed about 5.5 hours outside their cells each day, returning to what was allowed before the pandemic. All inmates will have access to outdoor recreation and those who are fully vaccinated may also have access to indoor activities."

[Strange Brew]

We have Mellis' word they are being abused... an asshole who should have been charged with attempted murder. Do you believe him?

So if true, do you think the protestors should be placed in solitary and abused?

[bobbiemcgee]

See above... 5.5 hrs. outside. Pandemic covid protocol lifted. No solitary. Guess we have to blame the guards for observing the rules.

[bobbiemcgee]

Who are these righties that you speak of that have advocated for solitary confinement

The lockdowns started a year ago when who was Pres? Pandemic protocol.

[Strange Brew]

The lockdowns started a year ago when who was Pres? Pandemic protocol.

Lockdowns are the purview of the Governors and who has been the Pres for the duration of the protestors confinement?

[bobbiemcgee]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! The lockdowns were instituted nationwide to protect prisoners from getting and dying from covid. Rioters or regular prisoners made no difference. Now they have been lifted. YAY. Next complaint.

[Strange Brew]

YES!!!!!!!!!!!! The lockdowns were instituted nationwide to protect prisoners from getting and dying from covid. Rioters or regular prisoners made no difference. Now they have been lifted. YAY. Next complaint.

Um, all prisoners have been in isolation during COVID?

[bobbiemcgee]

Um, all prisoners have been in isolation during COVID?

300,000 according to US Bureau of Prisons.

[Strange Brew]

300,000 according to US Bureau of Prisons.

Wow, prison systems in the US had 150k unoccupied cells? Guess the whole over crowding thing was a myth.

[XU_Lou]

Wow, prison systems in the US had 150k unoccupied cells? Guess the whole over crowding thing was a myth.

I think it's time to ask: Is/does Boobie:

a) gaslighting this board
b) even believe the crap he spews
c) drunk or stoned
d) brainwashed by CNN
e) have an inability to answer simple questions
f) have an inability to understand logic
g) a conspiracy theorist
h) so far gone he doesn't know the difference between truth, lies and propaganda

[bobbiemcgee]

Way to turn the discussion to insults. That's what always happens when you are losing the argument. Troll away.
You know that 81,282,903 people disagree with you. NO? Were you at Dana's during Math class?

[bobbiemcgee]

Wow, prison systems in the US had 150k unoccupied cells? Guess the whole over crowding thing was a myth.

Did you find your google machine? Good for you.

[Strange Brew]

Did you find your google machine? Good for you.

Thanks.

Do you think protestors should be held in solitary and abused?

[bobbiemcgee]

We have Mellis' word they are being abused... an asshole who should have been charged with attempted murder. Do you believe him?

They got lockdowned due to the pandemic. Lifted June 11th:

"Inmates will be allowed about 5.5 hours outside their cells each day, returning to what was allowed before the pandemic. All inmates will have access to outdoor recreation and those who are fully vaccinated may also have access to indoor activities."

Once again.

[noteggs]

Were you at Dana's during Math class?

Took my QA class in the evening and most were over 21. Professor took us to Dana’s to do a beer taste test so we could analyze the data next class. Even though you didn’t ask me, but can most assuredly say I was at Dana’s for math class lol!

[Strange Brew]

Once again.

So all prisoners were in solitary during this time?

Do you think the protestors should be in solitary and abused? I value Mellis’ word/opinion over yours.

[bobbiemcgee]

Sad. he tried to beat a cop to death. Guess you'd feel the same if it was your Brother/Dad? Sad.

[Strange Brew]

Sad. he tried to beat a cop to death. Guess you'd feel the same if it was your Brother/Dad? Sad.

No but he didn’t want to award a medal to someone who shot and killed an unarmed person with whom he disagreed politically. That, and he seems to be able to answer a simple question.

[bobbiemcgee]

Why do you keep calling them protestors? They're criminals.

[bobbiemcgee]

person....invading the Capitol of the United States That, and he seems to be able to answer a simple question (answered many x now.

......

[Strange Brew]

......

Do you think those charged and yet to be tried should be held in solitary and abused?

[bobbiemcgee]

The huge majority of Americans think sentences will be too lax:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/03/18/large-majority-of-the-public-views-prosecution-of-capitol-rioters-as-very-important/

[Strange Brew]

The huge majority of Americans think sentences will be too lax:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/03/18/large-majority-of-the-public-views-prosecution-of-capitol-rioters-as-very-important/

That’s not what I asked. Is it safe for us to assume you believe those awaiting trial in this case deserve to be abused or would you like to clarify?

[XU_Lou]

That’s not what I asked. Is it safe for us to assume you believe those awaiting trial in this case deserve to be abused or would you like to clarify?

SB - I think you're wasting your time with this clown. He obviously approves of Stalinist tactics when it comes to political opponents, while turning a blind eye, or even deny the far-worse crimes committed by the militants in the Democrat party.

[bobbiemcgee]

Who sez they are being abused? A guy who tried to beat a cop to death. No, I don't believe the scumbucket. Guess you do. I play golf with a former guard. He sez inmates make up all kinds of bs to try to get privileges. He worked with attempted murderers, I believe him. Who cares what either one of us thinks? Difference of opinion.

[bobbiemcgee]

SB - I think you're wasting your time with this clown. He obviously approves of Stalinist tactics when it comes to political opponents, while turning a blind eye, or even deny the far-worse crimes committed by the militants in the Democrat party.

Again with the insults. Maybe you should move to Siberia.Afterall, you're always right and 70% of the Americans are wrong. If you got any further right, you'd fall off the planet.

[Strange Brew]

SB - I think you're wasting your time with this clown. He obviously approves of Stalinist tactics when it comes to political opponents, while turning a blind eye, or even deny the far-worse crimes committed by the militants in the Democrat party.

I know that but I’m not trying to persuade him…..

[noteggs]

The huge majority of Americans think sentences will be too lax:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/03/18/large-majority-of-the-public-views-prosecution-of-capitol-rioters-as-very-important/

Yes and this why. Biden went back to Holder’s 2010 sentencing and charging memo after inauguration. Seems like capital and Portland rights will need to be treated similarly, which means dropping charges to some who attacked police. Bad practice regardless because should not be given a pass on attacking police with either riot.

Interesting article.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/14/portland-capitol-riot-cases-481346

[Strange Brew]

Yes and this why. Biden went back to Holder’s 2010 sentencing and charging memo after inauguration. Seems like capital and Portland rights will need to be treated similarly, which means dropping charges to some who attacked police. Bad practice regardless because should not be given a pass on attacking police with either riot.

Interesting article.

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/04/14/portland-capitol-riot-cases-481346

Don’t be surprised if this is linked to white supremacy to circumvent precedents to try these protestors as domestic terrorist. Different laws apply if I’m not mistaken.

[Smails]

Way to turn the discussion to insults. That's what always happens when you are losing the argument. Troll away.
You know that 81,282,903 people disagree with you. NO? Were you at Dana's during Math class?

LOL that you think all of the Biden voters align with your warped world view. You should take a few plays off because you look like a fool.

[bobbiemcgee]

LOL that you think all of the Biden voters align with your warped world view. You should take a few plays off because you look like a fool.

Polls show it's actually more than that now. dream on.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/558011-poll-56-percent-approve-of-bidens-handling-of-foreign-affairs

who da fool?

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, Congress votes to give gold metals to the all the Capitol Cops 406-21. All the 'pubs voted for it except the usual Gaetz, Boebert, MTG, Louie G., you know, the radical right.

[Smails]

Polls show it's actually more than that now. dream on.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/what-americas-thinking/558011-poll-56-percent-approve-of-bidens-handling-of-foreign-affairs

who da fool?

Polls show?...LOL Political polls have been bullet-proof for the last 10 years, haven't they? Good lord you are lost.

[bobbiemcgee]

yeah, stick with your splinter group. They're always RIGHT about everything. No disagreeing allowed.

[Smails]

yeah, stick with your splinter group. They're always RIGHT about everything. No disagreeing allowed.
Splinter group? I don't think you know what that means. Which splinter group would you say I belong to? Or are you just making shit up again? See post #11609

I love disagreement and anybody who knows anything about me would tell you I'm a conservative who leans right fiscally and left on 95% of social issues. Care to educate us on the issues that you lean right on? Are there any? Oh, and advocating for the torture of prisoners is not a right leaning issue, so you can cross that off your list, but we all now you support that as well as wishing that capitol police would have shot more people on the 6th. You should put that one on your greatest hits list. Interesting that someone as progressive and open minded as you doesn't believe in civil rights for the incarcerated.

[bobbiemcgee]

1. I don't believe criminals should be locked up for 23 hrs. a day except for the covid reason instituted June 1, 2020 and expired 6/5/2021, at least in the DC jail. Yeah, it was harsh but probably saved lives. They get 5.5 hrs. outside now as well as indoors activities. I don't believe they are being tortured just cause some attempt murderer sez so.
2. I don't like any of the fringe actors, AOC, OMAR, MTG (just discovered the Holocaust existed), Gaetz, Boebert, etc.
3. Think the BLM bs has gone way too far to the enrichment of their leaders and the black commercial actors union. What happens in 2045? Are we going to have WLM and affirmative action for whites?
4. CRT is bullshit. Makes me sick. Same with that 1619 project baloney.
5. Don't believe in "systematic racism". People have busted their butts all their lives to eek out a good living. I came up the ladder with equally talented black achievers who are now sunning themselves in Mexico or somewhere. They didn't sit around and bitch about their circumstances, just worked hard. Honestly, any black kid can go get a job at Amazon (yeah, I know), work there for 15-17 hr and take a better job in 2-3 yrs. further up the ladder.
6. Yeah, maybe I overreacted to the 1/6 riot. Honestly, my jaw dropped when I realized what was happening and I didn't want those bastards in the Capitol. Congress voted 406-21 to give all the cops metals lol
7. I've been a registered independent for 53 yrs. Or as they say in CO., no party. I can vote in either primary, but, of course, just one. I've voted for a bunch of Republicans over the years. I love the CO voting system...results @ 7:30 pm, drop off my ballot in the neighborhood.
8. Most of my problem with this board is people who just can't admit that trump lost the election. People here say they never heard of the "Big Lie". Are you kidding me? 47% of Republicans say trump won? What planet are they on.
9. So, yeah, I' m right of center on stuff, but the main problem here seems to be that I don't like trump and the do nothing McConnell, McCarthy clan. Sue me.
Oh, I love it pissed off MOR we got the All-Star game but that should have never happened. The game should be played in the ATL. However, I don't think we should change the voting laws in every red state bcuz trump lost. I hope ATL gets the next one.
I watch cnbc when I want some news. Nowadays, cnn, msnbc and Fox just show clips of each others broadcast and bring on some morons with agendas to "discuss". Garbage in garbage out.

[Muskie in dayton]

Well, Congress votes to give gold metals to the all the Capitol Cops 406-21. All the 'pubs voted for it except the usual Gaetz, Boebert, MTG, Louie G., you know, the radical right.
I suggest you brace yourself Bobbie. The truth is coming out about 1/6, and it won’t fit the narrative They want you to believe, just like the other times. Call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, but pause and think of how that’s been working out for you leftists lately.

[Strange Brew]

Nice of chess master Biden to give Putin a list of critical US targets.

[Masterofreality]

9. So, yeah, I' m right of center on stuff, but the main problem here seems to be that I don't like trump and the do nothing McConnell, McCarthy clan. Sue me.
Oh, I love it pissed off MOR we got the All-Star game but that should have never happened. The game should be played in the ATL. However, I don't think we should change the voting laws in every red state bcuz trump lost. I hope ATL gets the next one.
I watch cnbc when I want some news. Nowadays, cnn, msnbc and Fox just show clips of each others broadcast and bring on some morons with agendas to "discuss". Garbage in garbage out.

Are you delusional? I could care less if “you” got the All Star Game. What I am pissed about are that many Businessses owned by People of Color will miss out on big dollars because a “Woke” Commissioner decided to move the game to a state with basically the same voter ID requirements and almost the same restrictions. The “outrage” over the Georgia Law is performative. Period.

Meanwhile, when will you and Paul address the clusterf%#k that is the Joe Biden Administration? When?
I keep asking with no answer. You could not stop screaming during the last Administration!

[bobbiemcgee]

I just said ATL should have got the game for all your obvious reasons. Listen up. Who cares what you think about Biden? I don't. Nobody 's gonna change anybody mind here.

[paulxu]

It's called being the loyal opposition.
When Biden has his campaign manager and various hangers-on indicted, you can bring it up.
When he has his DOJ try to overturn an election, you can bring it up.
When he encourages insurrectionists to storm the Capitol and they go in looking to hang the VP, you can bring it up.

So far, he's going about the business of being our president without blasting out 30,000 lies on twitter.
He's got a hard job with McConnell trying again, as he did with Obama, to block meaningful governing.

[Masterofreality]

It's called being the loyal opposition.
When Biden has his campaign manager and various hangers-on indicted, you can bring it up.
When he has his DOJ try to overturn an election, you can bring it up.
When he encourages insurrectionists to storm the Capitol and they go in looking to hang the VP, you can bring it up.

So far, he's going about the business of being our president without blasting out 30,000 lies on twitter.
He's got a hard job with McConnell trying again, as he did with Obama, to block meaningful governing.

-Border Crisis, Check.
-High Inflation, Check
- Energy Prices out of control, Check
- Middle Eastern conflict, Check
- Record Debt, check
- Underemployment, check
- Stunted Economic Growth, Check
- An embarrassing VP who is in over her head, Check.
- An awful kowtowing to Teachers Unions who ignored “Science” and didn’t open schools almost all year, check.
- A lack of Administration Accoutability by not answering simple Press Conference tough Questions, check.
- A lack of holding Iran and China accountable for terrorism and foisting a global pandemic on the world, check.

Yup. No lies detected there.

That list has zero to do with McConnell. That list is a direct result of Biden’s own Executive Orders, the Democrats ramming a overbloated “recovery” bill through that is giving people money to sit on their asses, and Biden’s own warped view that the world hasn’t changed for the better after Obama did his best to screw it up. How are those Children in Cages going Paul?

Oh, yeah. The “going about the business of being our President”, (for about 3 hours a day before naptime most days) is going so well!!

[Masterofreality]

I just said ATL should have got the game for all your obvious reasons. Listen up. Who cares what you think about Biden? I don't. Nobody 's gonna change anybody mind here.

Bobbie just giving up! Thank you!!
(Still deflects to the easy answer and has zero defense)

[bobbiemcgee]

I see Amy Cheese Coney voted for Obamacare. Hopefully that's over. Defend her.

[Smails]

.

8. Most of my problem with this board is people who just can't admit that trump lost the election. People here say they never heard of the "Big Lie". Are you kidding me? 47% of Republicans say trump won? What planet are they on.


Who on this board believes that Trump won? Which poster(s)?

[Masterofreality]

I see Amy Cheese Coney voted for Obamacare. Hopefully that's over. Defend her.

Ummm, name calling on this board is frowned upon.
Seems as if Justice Barrett, installed on the Court by the previous President, is doing a good job of even handed and fair jurisprudence.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ummm, name calling on this board is frowned upon.
Seems as if Justice Barrett, installed on the Court by the previous President, is doing a good job of even handed and fair jurisprudence.

Really? Apparently public figures are exempt as you have called Biden and Harris every name in the book. Glad to see you changed your position on Obamacare.

[paulxu]

It's sorta like flip-flopping on installing SC justices. Can't even bother to give Garland a hearing, let alone a vote.
Ram Barret through a few weeks before the election.

Someday I hope the Dems wake up to the nonsense and start playing hardball. Don't have a lot of hope though.
Got to always fix the nonsense of the prior administration.

[Strange Brew]

I see Amy Cheese Coney voted for Obamacare. Hopefully that's over. Defend her.

Jeez, they voted on standing not the law itself. Insults are a sign you've lost the argument right Bobbie?

[Strange Brew]

It's sorta like flip-flopping on installing SC justices. Can't even bother to give Garland a hearing, let alone a vote.
Ram Barret through a few weeks before the election.

Someday I hope the Dems wake up to the nonsense and start playing hardball. Don't have a lot of hope though.
Got to always fix the nonsense of the prior administration.

Clearly Garland is unfit so a hearing was a waste of time .

Hardball? Hope not. Wouldn't want another Progessive assassin to mistake them for Republican Congressman...

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess you're blabbing about the Bernie fan @ the baseball field incident, altho who knows what you're talking about. . Nobody died except the shooter, in contrast to 5 dead and 140 injured by trump fans @ the Capitol.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-suffered-riots/story?id=75124131

Garland has plenty of time to purge the DOJ of trump nuts. Who protected the 'pubs @ the field.....wait for it....the Capitol Police.

[Strange Brew]

Guess you're blabbing about the Bernie fan @ the baseball field incident, altho who knows what you're talking about. . Nobody died except the shooter, in contrast to 5 dead and 140 injured by trump fans @ the Capitol.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/capitol-police-officer-dies-injuries-suffered-riots/story?id=75124131

Garland has plenty of time to purge the DOJ of trump nuts. Who protected the 'pubs @ the field.....wait for it....the Capitol Police.

No one died from injuries on Jan 6 and only one person was shot. She was a veteran and unarmed. Really, Garland should remove himself if he's working to remove loons from the DOJ.

[paulxu]

Clearly Garland is unfit so a hearing was a waste of time .

Of course. He was so unfit that a Republican controlled Senate in 1997 confirmed him to the Court of Appeals in DC by a vote of 76-23.

You guys live in a strange place, apparently unencumbered by facts.

[Strange Brew]

Of course. He was so unfit that a Republican controlled Senate in 1997 confirmed him to the Court of Appeals in DC by a vote of 76-23.

You guys live in a strange place, apparently unencumbered by facts.

In 1997? Times change. Just ask Janice Rogers Brown and Kavenaugh (only 13 more partisan no votes for the lower Court than Garland)

You started the partisan Judgicial fire.

[Masterofreality]

Really? Apparently public figures are exempt as you have called Biden and Harris every name in the book. Glad to see you changed your position on Obamacare.

I never took a position on Obamacare, other than “Keep your Doctor” Obama lying his ass off.
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are terrible leaders and hypocrites. If those are names, so be it.

[Strange Brew]

In case you missed it The Court upheld the 1st Amendment and Religious Freedom. Likely would’ve gone the other way if Clinton was elected in ‘16.

[bobbiemcgee]

Clearly Garland is unfit so a hearing was a waste of time .
.


Insults are a sign you've lost the argument right Bobbie?

You insulted Garland. What's the difference. Last I checked public figures don't post here.

[Strange Brew]

You insulted Garland. What's the difference. Last I checked public figures don't post here.

Stating that he is not fit based on his beliefs and statements is not an insult.

[bobbiemcgee]

So if somebody called you unfit it would be ok? I assume? OK

[Strange Brew]

So if somebody called you unfit it would be ok? I assume? OK

For a seat on the SCOTUS? Yeah, I’d be ok with that.

[bobbiemcgee]

unfit for your job..ok

[Strange Brew]

unfit for your job..ok

He was fine for a lower court but not for the court of last resort. I’m sure plenty of people would say a lot of people aren’t fit for that job. He’s made some interesting statements as AG that confirm this. Feel better?

[bobbiemcgee]

So he was a DC Judge for 25 years. How long were Cheese and Kavanaugh? Did they suddenly become qualified bcuz trump liked them? Saying he was not qualified is ridiculous. An insult.

[Strange Brew]

So he was a DC Judge for 25 years. How long were Cheese and Kavanaugh? Did they suddenly become qualified bcuz trump liked them? Saying he was not qualified is ridiculous. An insult.

Well, maybe there was a reason he was at the same level for 25 years. It’s your turn is not a strong qualification. Mitch McConnell has been in Congress for a long time but I don’t think he’s fit for minority/majority leader much less President.

Was Garland, who’d been passed over by Clinton/Bush suddenly the right pick because Obama said so?

[XU_Lou]

The Juneteenth holiday will now live forever in infamy as a day of violence. This situation of wanton violence was created by Democrats by allowing a year of riots to go unpunished - on top of numerous Democrat politicians advocating for "defund the police" movements. You have and will reap the benefits you have sown Dems! You guys are going to get shellacked next November like you've never seen before!

Black Crowd Cheers as White Woman is Savagely Beaten at New Jersey Juneteenth Riot: https://twitter.com/TrumpJew2/status/1406696882567585801

The Juneteenth celebration, held in Long Branch’s Pier Village, devolved into a full-scale riot with hundreds of celebration attendees turning on their host city and smashing up businesses and property throughout the Pier Village area: https://nationalfile.com/video-black-crowd-cheers-as-white-woman-is-savagely-beaten-at-new-jersey-juneteenth-riot/

P.S., in a related story - - Puerto Rican Couple Yanked From Their Car and Shot By Mob of Black Men in Chicago: https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/06/horrific-video-puerto-rican-couple-yanked-car-shot-mob-black-men-chicago/

[Strange Brew]

For fun look up Haig-Simons. It’s popular in academia and left wing thinking. Then, ask yourself why you’ve never heard of it.

[paulxu]

If this is the fun part of this thread, I thought the Space Laser was over the top...but I was wrong.
Italygate is giving it a run for its money.

[Strange Brew]

If this is the fun part of this thread, I thought the Space Laser was over the top...but I was wrong.
Italygate is giving it a run for its money.

What is Italygate?

[paulxu]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/feature/italygate-is-the-crown-jewel-of-big-lie-conspiracies-and-it-just-got-a-lot-wilder

[Strange Brew]

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/feature/italygate-is-the-crown-jewel-of-big-lie-conspiracies-and-it-just-got-a-lot-wilder

Never heard of it. Sounds like standard counter psych ops to lump a potentially plausible yet controversial theory with an absurd one as the article begins with the voter fraud theory/Trump won theory with a ridiculous one.

Italygate is not something discussed in any right leaning articles I read which makes me wonder who is prapagating it.

[paulxu]

I was fascinated that the Chief of Staff at the WH tried to get DOJ to investigate. Guess it was too much even for them.

[Strange Brew]

I was fascinated that the Chief of Staff at the WH tried to get DOJ to investigate. Guess it was too much even for them.

One of those. Please look at this and report back if/when it makes any sense.

Media seems to love this nonsense. Gets eyeballs, confirms bias, sells ads…

[paulxu]

You are right about that.

[bjf123]

Media seems to love this nonsense. Gets eyeballs, confirms bias, sells ads…

Bingo!


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[Strange Brew]

I was fascinated that the Chief of Staff at the WH tried to get DOJ to investigate. Guess it was too much even for them.

This must be heating up at WaPo because one of the sites I read posted about it. Basically the paper used sources known for story fabrication in an effort to delegitimize the former Prez and anyone calling for audits. Like I said, counter Intel to discredit a potentially legitimate question/concern/process. Pretty standard work for the media to push an agenda and serve up red meat to readers and sell ads.

The media has been struggling to control the message/language since the Information Age. However currently tactics seem to be moving towards speech codes and consensus (obedience) rather than debate.

[paulxu]

I think you make some good points.
Marshall's reporters have been trying to track this latest bizarro story.
It appears some of the people had an inside track to Meadows at the WH, so he was able to take their nonsense and pass it along to DOJ.
Seems as if things were a little crazy in the administration in the final weeks, and this is just one of the more crazy things floating about.

[Strange Brew]

I think you make some good points.
Marshall's reporters have been trying to track this latest bizarro story.
It appears some of the people had an inside track to Meadows at the WH, so he was able to take their nonsense and pass it along to DOJ.
Seems as if things were a little crazy in the administration in the final weeks, and this is just one of the more crazy things floating about.

Yeah, and there were a lot of people in the agencies that didn’t care for the former Prez which is understandable as he can be, let’s say a bit abrasive.

[paulxu]

Interesting video with timelines and graphics to illustrate how things unfolded. Sad day for our country.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html

[Strange Brew]

Interesting video with timelines and graphics to illustrate how things unfolded. Sad day for our country.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/politics/100000007606996/capitol-riot-trump-supporters.html

Wish they had the courage to wear their FBI jackets….

[paulxu]

Would look good in court with your Oath Keepers paraphernalia pleading guilty to conspiracy.

[Strange Brew]

Would look good in court with your Oath Keepers paraphernalia pleading guilty to conspiracy.

Cute, you should at least be curious who the no charge co-conspirators are/were if your going to keep posting about an event that frankly most people couldn’t care less about now. If you find articles related to that info, please read so we can have an honest discussion about it.

[paulxu]

People keep shooting down the Tucker Carlson nonsense. First antifa. Now FBI. What will they think of next?


But that theory relies on a false assumption: that anyone identified as an "unindicted co-conspirator" in charging documents is a government agent.

In fact, legal experts say that term cannot be used to describe FBI agents or undercover government operatives.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/25/fact-check-no-evidence-fbi-organized-jan-6-capitol-riot/7753276002/

[Strange Brew]

People keep shooting down the Tucker Carlson nonsense. First antifa. Now FBI. What will they think of next?



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/25/fact-check-no-evidence-fbi-organized-jan-6-capitol-riot/7753276002/

Well Paul, Antifa was there and the co-conspirators have shown up to be FBI before. USA Today can run cover to keep this story alive all they want but in reality it was a protest that was less violent than what we’ve seen for the past two years from the Left.

[bobbiemcgee]

People keep shooting down the Tucker Carlson nonsense.]

Tucker sez General Milley, leader of all our armed forces, is a pig. So much for the flag waving on Fox on the fourth of July.

[Strange Brew]

Tucker sez General Milley, leader of all our armed forces, is a pig. So much for the flag waving on Fox on the fourth of July.

Neat post on the 4th.

Have a great Independence Day everyone!

[bobbiemcgee]

Tucker sez General Milley, leader of all our armed forces, is a pig. So much for the flag waving on Fox on the fourth of July.


Neat post on the 4th.

Glad you agree.

[Strange Brew]

Glad you agree.

You salute the rank not the man…

[bobbiemcgee]

Wow. Who would appoint such an oinker....Oh...

[Strange Brew]

Wow. Who would appoint such an oinker....Oh...

Everyone has a price I guess.

[paulxu]

Marge Shott redux:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book

[Strange Brew]

Marge Shott redux:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/jul/06/donald-trump-hitler-michael-bender-book

More like Dan Rather redux..

[Masterofreality]

Joe Biden’s Administration is going well. Inflation, jobless claims, gas prices, China & Russia running rings around the US, leaving all kinds of arms for the Taliban to abscond with in Afghanistan, a Southern Border mess- STILL, Critical Race Theory BS, Teachers Unions BS. Unable to complete sentences.
But Paul and Bobbie don’t want to ever say anything about that.
Wonder why?

[paulxu]

You are part (I assume) of the loyal opposition when a Dem is holding the presidency.
I was in that place for the last 4 years.
Just like Obama inherited a mess from Bush, Biden is working hard on repairing 4 years of twitter nonsense.
We'll see how it goes.

[Strange Brew]

You are part (I assume) of the loyal opposition when a Dem is holding the presidency.
I was in that place for the last 4 years.
Just like Obama inherited a mess from Bush, Biden is working hard on repairing 4 years of twitter nonsense.
We'll see how it goes.

Twitter nonsense but no mess in terms of policy. And Biden has done nothing but wreck things that were working. Please defend something Biden has done.

I’ll help. Thoughts on Capitol police outposts in several States?

[bobbiemcgee]

Joe Biden’s Administration is going well. Inflation (expected after the pandemic), jobless claims( down a million plus from last year), gas prices (3.00 a gallon in May 2019, did you forget) China & Russia running rings around the US (huh?), leaving all kinds of arms for the Taliban to abscond with in Afghanistan (buffoon wanted to leave too), a Southern Border mess (always has been)- STILL, Critical Race Theory BS, Teachers Unions BS. ( yeah. blame the President. Get your butt out to a school board meeting and stop bitching) Unable to complete sentences.(hours of trump bloopers online)
But Paul and Bobbie don’t want to ever say anything about that. (this)


.......

[bobbiemcgee]

Get out and see what's going on in this Country. Airports packed, Roads packed, Hotels packed, car sales thru the roof, Home sales thru the roof, restaurants jammed. I have a buddy who just opened an enormous sports bar across from Coors Field with 175 employees. 140 big screens including a massive jumbotron. He said he was doing 10k an HOUR!!. 2 hour wait at the INN/Out Burger. National Parks closing to visitors at 10 am. Golf Courses full. Coors Field gets 49k for a crappy team. Tried to get tickets for the Van Gogh exhibit. 3 month wait!! People just want to get out and spend,spend,spend!! The economy's on fire from this vantage point.

[Strange Brew]

Get out and see what's going on in this Country. Airports packed, Roads packed, Hotels packed, car sales thru the roof, Home sales thru the roof, restaurants jammed. I have a buddy who just opened an enormous sports bar across from Coors Field with 175 employees. 140 big screens including a massive jumbotron. He said he was doing 10k an HOUR!!. 2 hour wait at the INN/Out Burger. National Parks closing to visitors at 10 am. Golf Courses full. Coors Field gets 49k for a crappy team. Tried to get tickets for the Van Gogh exhibit. 3 month wait!! People just want to get out and spend,spend,spend!! The economy's on fire from this vantage point.

Just like two summers ago except now gas prices are high for no reason, the Russians are attacking at will, the border is wide open and idiots want to Federalize elections. But people are enjoying themselves like it’s summer or something after being locked down because of idiot Lefty “experts”. Speaking of that the average age of those who died from COVID is higher than the life expectancy and only 6% of deaths attributed to COVID are due solely to COVID.

But it’s all good because people are enjoying Summer like it’s uh, Summer.

Edit: forgot crime is skyrocketing because of the defund the police crowd.

[bobbiemcgee]

Just like two summers ago except now gas prices are high for no reason, .

Did you take Econ? Supply and Demand. Pandemic = low demand, people going everywhere, driving and flying = high demand. Texas refineries freeze (thx abbott) followed by Colonial pipeline fiasco. Gas was 3.00 in may 2019.

[bobbiemcgee]

But it’s all good because people are enjoying Summer like it’s uh, Summer.

yes.

[Strange Brew]

Did you take Econ? Supply and Demand. Pandemic = low demand, people going everywhere, driving and flying = high demand. Texas refineries freeze (thx abbott) followed by Colonial pipeline fiasco. Gas was 3.00 in may 2019.

I did. Externalities are temporary blips outside of the “graph” in S/D so thank you for making my point. That is Summer is behaving like two Sumner’s ago. Return to normal post pandemic so thanks goes to Trump for the roaring economy of the past few years. Biden’s ridiculous spending hasn’t hit however the COVID spending has artificially slightly raised demand in some sectors which has led to supply chain and labor issues and rising prices in others (see lumber and other manufactured goods).

Colonial pipeline? Cyber attack, National Security fiasco on Biden and where were you paying $3 for gas two years ago? Wasn’t that expensive here on the south side of town.

You conveniently left out the banning of new pipeline development and fracking in some cases. All of which reduce global supply and raise prices (oil/gas is relatively inelastic). Not to mention to return of Government Climate “science”.

Hey, glad your buddy’s doing well though. Nice to see a local place thriving. My favorite place down here looks like it’s closed for good. The local In N Out is doing well but I hope it doesn’t push out the locally founded Smashburger. I’d take their Colorado burger over a basic cheeseburger Animal Style any day. :)

[bobbiemcgee]

Smashburger got sold to the Philippino's several years ago. Jubilee Corp. I like American.

[bobbiemcgee]

Will you and MOR be attending the bizarro world coup on 8/13? hahahahbhaaha. Do you still believe trump won?

[Strange Brew]

Will you and MOR be attending the bizarro world coup on 8/13? hahahahbhaaha. Do you still believe trump won?

Don’t even know what that is. Don’t know what, if anything will come of the audits. Even if results are different than certified I don’t see a remedy in the Constitution so it would fall to the Judicial Branch (best guess) which I can’t imagine will touch it but may be more vigilant in future cases around election integrity. In other words, tighten up election laws and leave it to the voters in ‘22 and ‘24

Will you be laundering money to the Biden’s and buy one of Hunter’s paintings?

[Strange Brew]

Smashburger got sold to the Philippino's several years ago. Jubilee Corp. I like American.

Then why do you support Xiden?

[bobbiemcgee]

Will you be laundering money to the Biden’s and buy one of Hunter’s paintings?

The RNC spent $300,000 for trumpy jr's crapola book. Difference? Pick up a copy @ Goodwill.

[Strange Brew]

The RNC spent $300,000 for trumpy jr's crapola book. Difference? Pick up a copy @ Goodwill.

Hmm, from what I’ve read it looks like Jr self published and the RNC bought the copies for resell to donors. Different? Yes. Good optics? No.

Wonder if The Big Guy gets his cut of the paintings like he’s done with most of Hunter’s “business transactions” with foreign countries.

[Masterofreality]

5.4% Inflation rate.
Gas prices through the roof while Biden blocks domestic pipelines and let’s Russia have theirs.
Severely limits domestic oil production independence.
#Bidens America

[bobbiemcgee]

Down at the All Star Game. Every bar packed. Guess trump's baseball boycott needs some more viagra.

[Strange Brew]

Down at the All Star Game. Every bar packed. Guess trump's baseball boycott needs some more viagra.

Wow, that anecdote from a massive annual event really proves your point!

Wonder how ATL is doing this week?

[paulxu]

Wow, that anecdote from a massive annual event really proves your point!

Wonder how ATL is doing this week?

Leading the major leagues in attendance.

[Strange Brew]

Leading the major leagues in attendance.

There was a point and it wizzed right over your head.

[Masterofreality]

There was a point and it wizzed right over your head.

Should have said “I wonder how the minority businesses in Atlanta are doing this week”.
Paul would have been tongue tied.

[Strange Brew]

Should have said “I wonder how the minority businesses in Atlanta are doing this week”.
Paul would have been tongue tied.

I assumed he’d be aware of the issue and the ironic hypocrisy. Guess that’s on me for assuming…

[bobbiemcgee]

Leading the major leagues in attendance.

Co 6th in attendance.

[bobbiemcgee]

Should have said “I wonder how the minority businesses in Atlanta are doing this week”. .

Think they'll get the game back when they get rid of Kemp. trump doesn't like him anyway.

[Strange Brew]

Think they'll get the game back when they get rid of Kemp. trump doesn't like him anyway.

Maybe Hershall Walker should run for Governor instead of the Senate.

[paulxu]

Should have said “I wonder how the minority businesses in Atlanta are doing this week”.
Paul would have been tongue tied.

Probably happy to have 27,800 fans every night of the season vs. 11,800 in Cleveland.

[Strange Brew]

Wow, Cubans sure are upset about COVID (roll eyes)….

[GoMuskies]

Wow, Cubans sure are upset about COVID (roll eyes)….

But don't come here Cubans! The Biden administration will NOT let you in. They want to be VERY clear about that.

[Strange Brew]

But don't come here Cubans! The Biden administration will NOT let you in. They want to be VERY clear about that.

That's what they get for flying the American flag and chanting inflammatory things like "freedom"!

[bobbiemcgee]

But don't come here Cubans! The Biden administration will NOT let you in. They want to be VERY clear about that.

Doubt if the 'pubs would be happy with another Mariel Boatlift with 150,000 cubans showing up in Miami. Oh, but they could blame it on Biden!!

[Strange Brew]

Doubt if the 'pubs would be happy with another Mariel Boatlift with 150,000 cubans showing up in Miami. Oh, but they could blame it on Biden!!

I guess we’ll find out if it happens. But we know from statements the Left doesn’t want them. Why? Because the Cuban peaple are anti-Communists.

Maybe the Cubans should sail to Mexico and walk right in. No one will stop them…

[bobbiemcgee]

I guess we’ll find out if it happens. But we know from statements the Left doesn’t want them. Why? Because the Cuban peaple are anti-Communists.

That's funny. They've been a Commie Country since the overthrow in '59. They loved Fidel and his Commie gov't. Nowadays, not so much.

[bobbiemcgee]

I guess we’ll find out if it happens. But we know from statements the Left doesn’t want them.

Do you want them here? I'm sure Rubio will be down there welcoming Scarface as he gets off the boat, but no mexicans please.

[Strange Brew]

That's funny. They've been a Commie Country since the overthrow in '59. They loved Fidel and his Commie gov't. Nowadays, not so much.

I guess when you kill or exile those who don’t love you that’s what you end up with…

[Strange Brew]

Do you want them here? I'm sure Rubio will be down there welcoming Scarface as he gets off the boat, but no mexicans please.

Wow, Bobbie what a racist stereotype. Yes, I’d welcome Cubans who are actually seeking asylum. I welcome anyone who follows the laws for citizenship. Not so much for those who enter illegally.

[MADXSTER]

Maybe the Cubans should sail to Mexico and walk right in. No one will stop them…

It's actually easier to cross the Mexican/US boarder than it is to cross the Ohio/Kentucky(either direction) boarder as of late. Just sayin.

[bobbiemcgee]

[QUOTE=Strange Brew;706141 Yes, I’d welcome Cubans who are actually seeking asylum.[/QUOTE]

So you would turn back those coming illegally in boats, I assume.

[Strange Brew]

So you would turn back those coming illegally in boats, I assume.

You assume wrong.

[bobbiemcgee]

Why not? They're illegal aliens. Double standard?

[Strange Brew]

Why not? They're illegal aliens. Double standard?

They are given a different status fleeing legitimate political (Leftist/Communist) persecution.

Should Biden:
1. Actually say they are protesting Communism?
2. Offer refuge status?

The answer is no from Biden. Why? Double standard?

[bobbiemcgee]

So if 11 million cuban former communists who suddenly love freedom want to come to the US you're ok with it. They were ecstatic when the ruskies came in and pointed missiles at the US but now they love us.

[Strange Brew]

So if 11 million cuban former communists who suddenly love freedom want to come to the US you're ok with it.

11 million Communist? Are you being serious or just deflecting from your silly posts?

Thoughts on Biden’s reaction or do you agree they’re not defendable?

[bobbiemcgee]

11 million Communist? Are you being serious or just deflecting from your silly posts?

Thoughts on Biden’s reaction or do you agree they’re not defendable?

The whole country is Communist. Said it yourself.

[bobbiemcgee]

Thoughts on Biden’s reaction or do you agree they’re not defendable?


"We stand with the Cuban people and their clarion call for freedom and relief from the tragic grip of the pandemic and from the decades of repression and economic suffering to which they have been subjected by Cuba’s authoritarian regime. The Cuban people are bravely asserting fundamental and universal rights. Those rights, including the right of peaceful protest and the right to freely determine their own future, must be respected. The United States calls on the Cuban regime to hear their people and serve their needs at this vital moment rather than enriching themselves."

[Strange Brew]

The whole country is Communist. Said it yourself.

The leaders are Communist. Don’t think I said all the people are Communist. I said the people are anti Communist.

Thoughts on Biden’s reaction or are you a simple reactionary who opposes things because Trump, Pubs or whatever?