Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

I am not sure how one is related to another here?

We are spending billions on defense while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Biden starts bombing.

We are subsidizing sports stadiums while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Local issues not Federal

We are funding high school football while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Local Issues not Federal

We are painting the Brent Spence Bridge while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Local issue between Ohio and Kentucky with part Federal on I-75- the bloodline artery of middle America. Not equivalent

We are building parks while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Local Issue not Federal

We are funding jails while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Local Issue not Federal, but Biden wants to close “Private Prisons to government fund them. YEAH!

We are cutting taxes while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Not for long, Federally and not Gasoline Taxes, local sales taxes or local Income taxes. Tax cuts got the Unemployment rate below 3.5% giving jobs to those “homeless vets” who are probably back on the street now.

We are funding museums while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money. We’ve lost our way pretty damn hard? Local not Federal

I think the underlying issue is that while we have homeless vets sleeping on the streets begging for money, and that is independent of all of the other funding decisions that we make. I would call your rep and ask them to support funding for homeless veterans. Call your local authorities to stop Featherbedding the Local Government staff and direct more money into the County Health and Human Services areas.

Fixed it for you

[Masterofreality]

So we got a crisis at the border, we’ve got a media engaged in what I consider to be a 1984-esque war with the people, and now Biden wants to ship more jobs oversees with a planned corporate tax increase from 21 to 28% in order to pay for his buffoonery of a “covid” relief bill. Why does Amtrak get a billion dollars for covid relief?

“ DHS chief says border numbers on track to be highest in 20 years, concedes situation is 'difficult'”

[xuwillie]

“ DHS chief says border numbers on track to be highest in 20 years, concedes situation is 'difficult'”

This is what the people wanted! You think unemployment is bad now just wait until that corp tax goes to 28%. I'll have to layoff a few or raise prices. Neither good for the consumer.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Fixed it for you

Very well put. Not sure how STL says they aren’t related. We are giving better care to non-citizens than our own people. I don’t want to hear all this bullshit about “save the children!” These teens and kids didn’t get to the border on their own and it’s pretty scary to think we will have unaccompanied older teenagers running amok in our borders undocumented and unchecked. Just look at the recent stories - a 4x deported illegal raped and nearly killed a 15 yo.

[noteggs]

This is what the people wanted! You think unemployment is bad now just wait until that corp tax goes to 28%. I'll have to layoff a few or raise prices. Neither good for the consumer.

You make it sound like corporations and businesses don’t actually pay taxes and just pass them off to the consumer. Yes I know this is how it works.

Remember no new taxes on the middle class...well probably not directly anyway.

[paulxu]

China will pay the tariffs.

[XUBANDGRAD]

You make it sound like corporations and businesses don’t actually pay taxes and just pass them off to the consumer. Yes I know this is how it works.

Remember no new taxes on the middle class...well probably not directly anyway.

Lmao - and $3.50 gas, and then instead of a gas tax a “miles driven per year” tax that’s being proposed. How asinine can this old bastard get?

[STL_XUfan]

Very well put. Not sure how STL says they aren’t related. We are giving better care to non-citizens than our own people. I don’t want to hear all this bullshit about “save the children!” These teens and kids didn’t get to the border on their own and it’s pretty scary to think we will have unaccompanied older teenagers running amok in our borders undocumented and unchecked. Just look at the recent stories - a 4x deported illegal raped and nearly killed a 15 yo.

My issue is that you make it sound like one issue caused the other, as if this is a zero sum game. There is plenty of money to do both, and they should do both. There have been homeless Veterans during every presidency during my life time (and my guess is well before my lifetime). This problem didn't just start on January 20th, but it is generations of failed policies on both sides of the aisle.

So I am all about addressing the issue of homeless veterans, I just have no clue what it has to do with trying to provide basic sanitary living conditions to those individuals currently in custody.

[XUBANDGRAD]

My issue is that you make it sound like one issue caused the other, as if this is a zero sum game. There is plenty of money to do both, and they should do both. There have been homeless Veterans during every presidency during my life time (and my guess is well before my lifetime). This problem didn't just start on January 20th, but it is generations of failed policies on both sides of the aisle.

So I am all about addressing the issue of homeless veterans, I just have no clue what it has to do with trying to provide basic sanitary living conditions to those individuals currently in custody.

No - I didn’t make it sound that way. My gripe is we provide all these damn benefits for illegals and yet we have those in our own citizenry that are suffering. Let’s shut down all the small businesses cuz muh fear of Covid, but let’s let all these assholes flow in over the border unchecked. The dem hypocrisy is astounding. The fact that we are even considering vaccines for these people BEFORE our own enrages me.

[boozehound]

No - I didn’t make it sound that way. My gripe is we provide all these damn benefits for illegals and yet we have those in our own citizenry that are suffering. Let’s shut down all the small businesses cuz muh fear of Covid, but let’s let all these assholes flow in over the border unchecked. The dem hypocrisy is astounding. The fact that we are even considering vaccines for these people BEFORE our own enrages me.

I don't think that word means what you think it means. How is that hypocrisy? Poor judgement isn't necessarily hypocrisy. I think Democrats (and most sane people, really) would like to see as many people vaccinated as we possibly can. It also sounds like in the next 2 months we will be able to get every American who wants it a vaccine. Maybe faster if the statistics about nearly half of Republicans being vaccine skeptics are true. Virtually everyone I know has an appointment in the next 4 weeks.

I do agree that we should take care of all Americans first, but as soon as we are done with that we should get together with the rest of the developed world and try to get as many people (globally) vaccinated as possible. The last thing we need is to have COVID festering in 3rd world countries until it mutates enough that the vaccines don't work.

[XUBANDGRAD]

I don't think that word means what you think it means. How is that hypocrisy? Poor judgement isn't necessarily hypocrisy. I think Democrats (and most sane people, really) would like to see as many people vaccinated as we possibly can. It also sounds like in the next 2 months we will be able to get every American who wants it a vaccine. Maybe faster if the statistics about nearly half of Republicans being vaccine skeptics are true. Virtually everyone I know has an appointment in the next 4 weeks.

I do agree that we should take care of all Americans first, but as soon as we are done with that we should get together with the rest of the developed world and try to get as many people (globally) vaccinated as possible. The last thing we need is to have COVID festering in 3rd world countries until it mutates enough that the vaccines don't work.

It's exactly what the word means - telling all Americans not to live their lives while allowing rampant illegal immigration to bring Covid (and God knows what else) into this country.

Also, take it from someone who works with vaccines and viruses as a profession - these vaccines are suspect at best. They might be approved via EUA from the FDA but that's a far cry from officially approved. Long term safety data is obviously absent, there has been (at least) 40 cases of miscarriage/spontaneous abortion in pregnant women. The last time I pulled safety data from VAERS there were 130 deaths in those who had received their second dose of vaccine. Hell - I suspect it just killed Marvin Hagler. My family won't be getting them anytime soon. Our risk of SAE from the vaccine heavily outweighs the potential benefit. Regardless of political affiliation, those I know and work with including physicians, are not getting the shot.

[boozehound]

It's exactly what the word means - telling all Americans not to live their lives while allowing rampant illegal immigration to bring Covid (and God knows what else) into this country.

Also, take it from someone who works with vaccines and viruses as a profession - these vaccines are suspect at best. They might be approved via EUA from the FDA but that's a far cry from officially approved. Long term safety data is obviously absent, there has been (at least) 40 cases of miscarriage/spontaneous abortion in pregnant women. The last time I pulled safety data from VAERS there were 130 deaths in those who had received their second dose of vaccine. Hell - I suspect it just killed Marvin Hagler. My family won't be getting them anytime soon. Our risk of SAE from the vaccine heavily outweighs the potential benefit. Regardless of political affiliation, those I know and work with including physicians, are not getting the shot.

Oh shit, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were crazy. Carry on, then!

[XUBANDGRAD]

Oh shit, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were crazy. Carry on, then!

Also, that's not what hypocrisy means :)

Ah yes - the ad hominem. Comes out every time someone doesn’t have an argument or intelligent thing to say.

[boozehound]

Ah yes - the ad hominem. Comes out every time someone doesn’t have an argument or intelligent thing to say.

I should have just stayed out of this shit show of a thread. I'll just let you guys continue to wallow in your fear and rage. Have a good day!

[XU_Lou]

Ah yes - the ad hominem. Comes out every time someone doesn’t have an argument or intelligent thing to say.

So typical of Boozehound - just another know-it-all blowhard....

[XUBANDGRAD]

So typical of Boozehound - just another know-it-all blowhard....

Haha I have learned to just ignore those who resort to that kinda thing. They preach my body my choice when it comes to abortion but suddenly people who don’t want to get the barely tested vaccines are “crazy” or “conspiracy theorists”. Whatever floats your boat.

[XU_Lou]

Haha I have learned to just ignore those who resort to that kinda thing. They preach my body my choice when it comes to abortion but suddenly people who don’t want to get the barely tested vaccines are “crazy” or “conspiracy theorists”. Whatever floats your boat.

Bingo!! Never, never, ever question authority...especially St. Fauci...

[paulxu]

Roger Stone needs money. You guys need to help him out.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Roger Stone needs money. You guys need to help him out.

I heard Biden is looking for someone to help him remember who he is when he wakes up in the morning. You should volunteer.

[XU_Lou]

Roger Stone needs money. You guys need to help him out.

Paul - haven't gotten one of your conspiracy Covid death count posts in awhile?? Isn't your guy already responsible for over 20% of all covid deaths - in just 7 weeks!! Also, how many deaths are the result of your Democrat governors putting Covid patients in nursing homes?? I mean, what could go wrong there???

[paulxu]

Send him your money. There's another thread for Covid stuff.

[Masterofreality]

Wow!!! The current President is a Xenophobe!!
Dammit! We’re better than this America!!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-migrants-dont-abc-news-exclusive-interview/story?id=76490159

[XUBANDGRAD]

Wow!!! The current President is a Xenophobe!!
Dammit! We’re better than this America!!

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-migrants-dont-abc-news-exclusive-interview/story?id=76490159

What a disgrace. How dare xe/xir?

[XU_Lou]

Send him your money. There's another thread for Covid stuff.

Looks like the Dems are trying to expand their Covid killing spree: https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/03/16/democrats-block-gop-bill-to-test-illegal-immigrants-for-coronavirus/

Hell, why not just house illegals in nursing homes - the Dems can use it as a "force multiplier".

[paulxu]

"Our Supreme Court and our courts didn't have the courage to overturn elections" -- Trump (yesterday)

It's like a 3rd world dictatorship, where you put people on the court and expect they'll hand you an election you lost.

[waggy]

He owns you. It's like keeping up with the Kardashians.

[Muskie in dayton]

"Our Supreme Court and our courts didn't have the courage to overturn elections" -- Trump (yesterday)

It's like a 3rd world dictatorship, where you put people on the court and expect they'll hand you an election you lost.
And yet you continue to try and convince yourself that he didn’t win.

[paulxu]

I remain fascinated at the hold he has on a significant portion of the Republican party.
And they continue to buy into his lies; and send him money.
Strange...but true. He's such a baby he can't even admit to the election results.
Although in a way, his statement sort of admits it, by saying it needed to be overturned...like a dictator.

[XU_Lou]

I remain fascinated at the hold he has on a significant portion of the Republican party.
And they continue to buy into his lies; and send him money.
Strange...but true. He's such a baby he can't even admit to the election results.
Although in a way, his statement sort of admits it, by saying it needed to be overturned...like a dictator.

Thanks for the update, Mr. "Blue Anon"...

[Smails]

"Our Supreme Court and our courts didn't have the courage to overturn elections" -- Trump (yesterday)



LOL! Change the record, Paul. You're plum out of material..

He's your crack and you just can't quit him..

[paulxu]

Fair point. He keeps popping up in the news feeds with inane comments like that one.
Seriously, getting mad that the courts wouldn't overturn the election for him?
I'd be very happy if he'd just go away...instead of feeding the discourse and continuing to cause harm.

[XU_Lou]

^^^ Paul, and another one of his snowflake moments....

[Masterofreality]

I remain fascinated at the hold he has on a significant portion of MY BRAIN!

Fixed it for you, Mr. TDS one track mind. #RentFree

[paulxu]

He was/is, as demonstrated by January 6th, an incredible danger to our country.
So, yes, I'll keep paying attention to the hold he has over a sizeable portion of our electorate.
He can sucker them into sending him money, I just don't want him suckering them into hurting us anymore.

[Masterofreality]

He was/is, as demonstrated by January 6th, an incredible danger to our country.
So, yes, I'll keep paying attention to the hold he has over a sizeable portion of our electorate.
He can sucker them into sending him money, I just don't want him suckering them into hurting us anymore.

Know what are incredible dangers to our country are that are not straw men that you create?
- Unchecked southern border illegal immigration.
- Lying to the public about who’s taxes would be raised just to get elected.
- Slicing good paying union jobs under the guise of climate wokeness
- Passing a bloated “Covid relief “ bill that is certainly inflationary.
- Letting China dictate what the WHO says about a pandemic that the Chinese released on the world.
- Letting regressive gas price increases happen that hurt lower income folks disproportionately
- Taking the most money from Wall Street elites in history and dissing the little guy.
- Killing more babies
- Allowing our educational systems to be infected with the dangerous and segregationist Critical Race Theory that by action and teaching is racist.
- Tolerating, if not promoting left wing riots and police defunding by propping “bail out funds” and visiting with felon criminals like Jacob Blake.
- Not holding news conferences to answer tough questions so little transparency.
- Allowing his minions in Congress to promote the awful idea of ditching the filibuster without outright condemning the idea. That strikes right at the heart of democracy.
Now. THOSE are incredible dangers to our country. But just keep that guy who is out of power in your head, while your country around you burns.

[XU_Lou]

I remain fascinated at the hold he has on a significant portion of the Republican party.
And they continue to buy into his lies; and send him money.
Strange...but true. He's such a baby he can't even admit to the election results.
Although in a way, his statement sort of admits it, by saying it needed to be overturned...like a dictator.

I remain fascinated that you fail to ever look in the mirror!! You come on here bitching about one thing or another, and then wind-up getting kicked in the teeth - every time! Do you know anything other than what Don Lemon tells you, or are you just a masochist?

[Lamont Sanford]

Know what are incredible dangers to our country are that are not straw men that you create?
- Unchecked southern border illegal immigration.
- Lying to the public about who’s taxes would be raised just to get elected.
- Slicing good paying union jobs under the guise of climate wokeness
- Passing a bloated “Covid relief “ bill that is certainly inflationary.
- Letting China dictate what the WHO says about a pandemic that the Chinese released on the world.
- Letting regressive gas price increases happen that hurt lower income folks disproportionately
- Taking the most money from Wall Street elites in history and dissing the little guy.
- Killing more babies
- Allowing our educational systems to be infected with the dangerous and segregationist Critical Race Theory that by action and teaching is racist.
- Tolerating, if not promoting left wing riots and police defunding by propping “bail out funds” and visiting with felon criminals like Jacob Blake.
- Not holding news conferences to answer tough questions so little transparency.
- Allowing his minions in Congress to promote the awful idea of ditching the filibuster without outright condemning the idea. That strikes right at the heart of democracy.
Now. THOSE are incredible dangers to our country. But just keep that guy who is out of power in your head, while your country around you burns.

Preach brother. Paul is clearly a member of BlueAnon.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Know what are incredible dangers to our country are that are not straw men that you create?
- Unchecked southern border illegal immigration.
- Lying to the public about who’s taxes would be raised just to get elected.
- Slicing good paying union jobs under the guise of climate wokeness
- Passing a bloated “Covid relief “ bill that is certainly inflationary.
- Letting China dictate what the WHO says about a pandemic that the Chinese released on the world.
- Letting regressive gas price increases happen that hurt lower income folks disproportionately
- Taking the most money from Wall Street elites in history and dissing the little guy.
- Killing more babies
- Allowing our educational systems to be infected with the dangerous and segregationist Critical Race Theory that by action and teaching is racist.
- Tolerating, if not promoting left wing riots and police defunding by propping “bail out funds” and visiting with felon criminals like Jacob Blake.
- Not holding news conferences to answer tough questions so little transparency.
- Allowing his minions in Congress to promote the awful idea of ditching the filibuster without outright condemning the idea. That strikes right at the heart of democracy.
Now. THOSE are incredible dangers to our country. But just keep that guy who is out of power in your head, while your country around you burns.

You forgot trying to strip Americans of something they hold dear. The 2nd amendment.

[XU_Lou]

He was/is, as demonstrated by January 6th, an incredible danger to our country.
So, yes, I'll keep paying attention to the hold he has over a sizeable portion of our electorate.
He can sucker them into sending him money, I just don't want him suckering them into hurting us anymore.


You forgot trying to strip Americans of something they hold dear. The 2nd amendment.

As well as the 1st Amendment - and the 4th...

[XUBANDGRAD]

As well as the 1st Amendment - and the 4th...

Unfortunately the 1st amendment barely exists anywhere anymore. Even Xavier has become part of the liberal establishment for the most part. Rescinding college acceptances due to posts made on twitter/facebook.

[XU_Lou]

Unfortunately the 1st amendment barely exists anywhere anymore. Even Xavier has become part of the liberal establishment for the most part. Rescinding college acceptances due to posts made on twitter/facebook.

That is extremely disappointing to hear... Do you have a link to this story - or do you know the nature of those posts for the students that were impacted?

[Masterofreality]

Oh...
And you know what else are “ incredible dangers” to America, uh Paul?
Kim, Putin, and Xi have all now publicly mocked Biden this week
Xi’s delegation to their face
No one around the world has any respect for him, as he is seen as weak and feckless.

We have a Puppet Empty Head in the White House and Paul is still concerned about mean tweets.

[XUBANDGRAD]

That is extremely disappointing to hear... Do you have a link to this story - or do you know the nature of those posts for the students that were impacted?

Yup. The posts were something along the lines of comparing the BLM movement to the KKK.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2020/06/03/george-young-protests-xavier-removes-incoming-freshman-after-offensive-tweets/3127205001/

[Masterofreality]

Oh...this is kind of “incredibly dangerous” to America too, Paul. Hello, are you there?
Opening remarks in Anchorage at the US/China meetings were agreed to be 2 minutes each

The CCP delegation opened with 20 minutes of blasting Biden's policies, BLM, division under Biden, and said the US is no longer a world leader

And Blinken and Sullivan had little to no response other than “Confident countries are not afraid to change”

Disaster. America First, right?

[XU_Lou]

If you can convince yourself that biological males playing girls sports is just fine, then you can probably convince yourself of just about anything. It may not be the most pressing issue in the world, but when it does come up it's blatantly unfair and a bit of a joke. Even Renee Richards said it was an unfair advantage.

In related news, a transgender just won the Miss Nevada USA pageant - thus taking away the award from a "real" woman: https://www.fox5vegas.com/news/first-transgender-titleholder-crowned-miss-silver-state-usa/article_a758ff9e-86e3-11eb-83e0-5783653b0b9c.html

Not only will the so-called "Equality Act" take positions away from real girls on sports teams, and take their scholarships, the act will also allow men to declare themselves women in order to win governmental contracts. Right now men sentenced to jail are already declaring themselves as women in order to be placed in women's detention centers - either to escape the brutality of men's jails, or to sexually assault women.

Men will be allowed to use women's restrooms and locker rooms. Got a young daughter?

Anybody who rationalizes this as not being a big deal, or it isn't that widespread, is insane.

[bobbiemcgee]

Oh...

Kim, Putin, and Xi have all now publicly mocked Biden this week

So what and who would give a f..k.? They're all torturers and murderers and Joe called them out as such. Who side are you on? True Americans deplore their repressive regimes. Who cares if they have no respect for America. Nobody but you.

[Masterofreality]

So what and who would give a f..k.? They're all torturers and murderers and Joe called them out as such. Who side are you on? True Americans deplore their repressive regimes. Who cares if they have no respect for America. Nobody but you.

Biden’s reps are apologizing for America, not standing up for it. When Trump called them out he was called Xenophobic. Biden called them a “competitor” not the dangerous foe that they really are.
Nevile Chamberlain-esque by your puppet Potemkin President.

[Masterofreality]

And again, Biden lies:

Breaking News from the New York Times:
The Biden administration is quietly pressing Mexico to curb migrants coming to the U.S., Mexican officials said, a move echoing Trump-era policy.

Psaki at the podium a couple weeks ago:

"We don’t take our advice or counsel from former President Trump on immigration policy, which was not only inhumane but ineffective over the last four years"

This is some First 100 Days, and we have this iish for 4 damn years, if the US is still a country by then

[XUBANDGRAD]

So what and who would give a f..k.? They're all torturers and murderers and Joe called them out as such. Who side are you on? True Americans deplore their repressive regimes. Who cares if they have no respect for America. Nobody but you.

It’s not about fucking respect you dolt. It’s about fucking fear. If we aren’t seen as the strong superpower then what is to stop the Russians and Chinese from running worldwide operations counter to our interests?

[paulxu]

I can tell by these comments that people didn't actually listen to the Secretary of State's comments regarding our position on China's human rights' abuse, technology thefts and other issues.

[bobbiemcgee]

It’s not about fucking respect you dolt. It’s about fucking fear. If we aren’t seen as the strong superpower then what is to stop the Russians and Chinese from running worldwide operations counter to our interests?

Yeah our economy is 20x Russia's. I'm really scared. Texas and California are bigger economies. They got nothing to offer other countries except Oil (current glut) and vodka.

[Lamont Sanford]

Why is Sleepy Joe poking the Russian bear then? Didn't he get all tough guy the other day when he called Putin a "killer"? Why won't he do the same with China??? Oh yeah...he's made millions off China. Same with Hunter and Eric Stalwell.

[XUBANDGRAD]

Yeah our economy is 20x Russia's. I'm really scared. Texas and California are bigger economies. They got nothing to offer other countries except Oil (current glut) and vodka.

If there’s a current glut then why are gas prices the highest they’ve been in years? Do you even think for yourself?

[XUBANDGRAD]

Why is Sleepy Joe poking the Russian bear then? Didn't he get all tough guy the other day when he called Putin a "killer"? Why won't he do the same with China??? Oh yeah...he's made millions off China. Same with Hunter and Eric Stalwell.

Eric literally was screwing a Chinese spy. What a guy.

[Xville]

Nm

[Lamont Sanford]

Eric literally was screwing a Chinese spy. What a guy.

And yet Granny Nancy Pelosi continues to endorse his attendance on the House Intelligence Committee. Only in a government position would this happen. In the private sector, he would have been removed in a heartbeat.

[Masterofreality]

I can tell by these comments that people didn't actually listen to the Secretary of State's comments regarding our position on China's human rights' abuse, technology thefts and other issues.

No mention of the Uhgur Concentration Camps. Just little veiled comments.
And Hey Paul. Since you’re resurrected, how about addressing all of those “incredibly dangerous” things that are going on right now that I listed a few posts ago?
Doesn’t fit in your Trump Deranged Mind, huh? Again, he’s gone Brother. Tell me about your puppet President who doesn’t know what day it is.

[Masterofreality]

Why is Sleepy Joe poking the Russian bear then? Didn't he get all tough guy the other day when he called Putin a "killer"? Why won't he do the same with China??? Oh yeah...he's made millions off China. Same with Hunter and Eric Stalwell.

Pokes the Bear. Putin calls him out to have a public broadcast discussion and Joe claims he’s “too busy”.
Losing international credibility by the day.

[paulxu]

I can tell by these comments that people didn't actually listen to the Secretary of State's comments regarding our position on China's human rights' abuse, technology thefts and other issues.

Bump.

[Lamont Sanford]

Bump.

#BlueAnon

[Masterofreality]

Know what are incredible dangers to our country are that are not straw men that you create?
- Unchecked southern border illegal immigration.
- Lying to the public about who’s taxes would be raised just to get elected.
- Slicing good paying union jobs under the guise of climate wokeness
- Passing a bloated “Covid relief “ bill that is certainly inflationary.
- Letting China dictate what the WHO says about a pandemic that the Chinese released on the world.
- Letting regressive gas price increases happen that hurt lower income folks disproportionately
- Taking the most money from Wall Street elites in history and dissing the little guy.
- Killing more babies
- Allowing our educational systems to be infected with the dangerous and segregationist Critical Race Theory that by action and teaching is racist.
- Tolerating, if not promoting left wing riots and police defunding by propping “bail out funds” and visiting with felon criminals like Jacob Blake.
- Not holding news conferences to answer tough questions so little transparency.
- Allowing his minions in Congress to promote the awful idea of ditching the filibuster without outright condemning the idea. That strikes right at the heart of democracy.
Now. THOSE are incredible dangers to our country. But just keep that guy who is out of power in your head, while your country around you burns.

Bump.

Answer this list Paul.

[XU_Lou]

Anyone remember Chevy Chase making fun of Gerald Ford for falling on an airplane steps - I wonder if today's SNL will do the same: https://nypost.com/2021/03/19/biden-falls-as-he-climbs-up-stairs-to-air-force-one/

[UCGRAD4X]

Even Jesus fell a third time.

No comparison implied or intended.

Please don't cancel me.

[paulxu]

Context:


The US pledged to raise contentious issues such as Beijing's treatment of Uighur Muslims in Xinjiang.


In a blunt opening statement before the talks in private, Mr Blinken said the US would "discuss our deep concerns with actions by China, including in Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Taiwan, cyber attacks on the United States, economic coercion of our allies".

"Each of these actions threaten the rules-based order that maintains global stability," he said.

Xinjiang is the region where the Uighurs are being suppressed.

[paulxu]

Bump.

Answer this list Paul.

MOR, I'm interested in meaningful dialogue. Many of the issues you note, you slant with a reading you like.
Passing a covid relief bill that you see as inflationary, while most economists note it is needed and there's a lot of room for control.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/latest-stimulus-package-could-jolt-u-s-growth-revive-inflation-in-2021-11615372201

I would love to see a return to the tax rates we had under Bill Clinton. There was a more balanced approach to spending and we actually had a balanced budget, and were we'll on our way to actually reducing the national debt before another trickle down nonsense that didn't work.

[Masterofreality]

I can tell by these comments that people didn't actually listen to the Secretary of State's comments regarding our position on China's human rights' abuse, technology thefts and other issues.

Yeah. And then there’s this.

https://rumble.com/vet919-china-just-publicly-humiliated-bidens-administration-on-world-stage.html?mref=22lbp&mc=56yab&fbclid=IwAR2uANJfOMyrVJCKKQ_RyM5FWlCLyqKA2SyEDG3ro JuK6cSBHwBOt2NPJlw

[Masterofreality]

MOR, I'm interested in meaningful dialogue. Many of the issues you note, you slant with a reading you like.
Passing a covid relief bill that you see as inflationary, while most economists note it is needed and there's a lot of room for control.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/latest-stimulus-package-could-jolt-u-s-growth-revive-inflation-in-2021-11615372201

I would love to see a return to the tax rates we had under Bill Clinton. There was a more balanced approach to spending and we actually had a balanced budget, and were we'll on our way to actually reducing the national debt before another trickle down nonsense that didn't work.

Maybe? Time will tell. The market is now betting on inflation going up leading to declines this week. Interest rates too.
And taxes going up is regressive to the middle class and contributed to the income disparity we have had.
What about the rest Paul? Gas prices, southern border, supporting criminals and rioters, Critical race theory. Supporting teachers unions that didn’t want to go back in the classroom, hurting kids of color the most? Ditching the Filibuster? Zero answers from you on this puppet President’s radical agenda.
You do know that they are forcing Crtitcal Race theory to be taught in public schools?
These are not from publications that allegedly only speak to a right wing bias. This is truth.
Ok. Let’s have that dialogue.

[paulxu]

I'm actually not sure we can, at least on here. Maybe over a beer.
For example...how would you like Biden to govern differently to affect gas prices? None of his actions have affected current pricing.
Prices have risen as demand has increased, and production that was cut back last year comes on line.
That's a free market supply/demand issue. I know Fox et al. wants to blame him, but here's the counter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/17/fact-check-demand-covid-19-recovery-drive-rising-diesel-prices/4723935001/

I haven't come on here and gone all LANDSLIDE etc, even though the results were the same as 4 years ago.
I think Trump caused a lot of harm, but now we'll see what Biden can do. Maybe he'll screw up bad, maybe not.
For the country's sake I hope not. And I'll still buy you a beer next time.

[Masterofreality]

I'm actually not sure we can, at least on here. Maybe over a beer.
For example...how would you like Biden to govern differently to affect gas prices? None of his actions have affected current pricing.
Prices have risen as demand has increased, and production that was cut back last year comes on line.
That's a free market supply/demand issue. I know Fox et al. wants to blame him, but here's the counter.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/03/17/fact-check-demand-covid-19-recovery-drive-rising-diesel-prices/4723935001/

I haven't come on here and gone all LANDSLIDE etc, even though the results were the same as 4 years ago.
I think Trump caused a lot of harm, but now we'll see what Biden can do. Maybe he'll screw up bad, maybe not.
For the country's sake I hope not. And I'll still buy you a beer next time.

-Stopping the Pipeline.

-Stopping fracking on certain lands after promising in Pennsylvania that he would not. BIDEN LIAR
of those things lessen US energy independence. Not to mention the restoration of costly Federal regulations that Trump had rescinded.

Oil futures prices affect oil and gas prices today. It’s errr science.
Sorry. No beer. Put your case in writing for all to see and for legacy purpose. See guys like Biden have “said” stuff for 40 years then do the opposite. Kinda like “Climate Concerned” John Kerry still flying his private jet that spews CO2 all over the atmosphere.
Put it in writing then stand up to it. Like I did.

[bjf123]

Kinda like “Climate Concerned” John Kerry still flying his private jet that spews CO2 all over the atmosphere.

Wasn’t he just photographed in first class on an American Airlines flight, where mask wearing is mandated, not wearing a mask? Do as I say, not as I do!


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[bobbiemcgee]

Trump's plane is a broken down wreck. Apparently he can't afford to fix it.

[Masterofreality]

Trump's plane is a broken down wreck. Apparently he can't afford to fix it.

Biden can’t even walk up the stairs of AirForce One without falling on his face.

[paulxu]

Put it in writing then stand up to it. Like I did.

Just read the article I linked. Don't repeat some nonsense from a guy on twitter.

[Masterofreality]

Just read the article I linked. Don't repeat some nonsense from a guy on twitter.

Nah. Can’t speak for yourself Mr. Parrot?

[paulxu]

Nah. Can’t speak for yourself Mr. Parrot?

Sure. I noted the market of supply and demand generally dictates pricing on an item like gasoline.
The article backed up this basic economic tenet.
Since I know you don't consider my opinions, I thought you might consider the experts.
Oh well.

[Masterofreality]

Sure. I noted the market of supply and demand generally dictates pricing on an item like gasoline.
The article backed up this basic economic tenet.
Since I know you don't consider my opinions, I thought you might consider the experts.
Oh well.

And you ignore the pipeline cancellation and the fracking bans that affect futures prices that affect todays prices and make the US more reliant on foreign supplies.
Not a word about the rest of my list. No answers? I guess not. Just keep parroting your leftist cancellers.

[Smails]

MOR, I'm interested in meaningful dialogue. Many of the issues you note, you slant with a reading you like.


Did you write this with a straight face? Self-awareness, meet Paul. Paul, meet self awareness. You have spent the last 3 years doing exactly what you are accusing him of doing. You don't get to call 'truce', change the rules and act like the last 3 years of name calling and ranting never happened. Biden is your guy, you voted him in...he was your answer. Time to deal with the consequences of an election and a 3 year whine session.

[paulxu]

And you ignore the pipeline cancellation and the fracking bans that affect futures prices that affect todays prices and make the US more reliant on foreign supplies.
Not a word about the rest of my list. No answers? I guess not. Just keep parroting your leftist cancellers.

I didn't ignore them. I pointed out my belief that the rising price increases were a supply/demand issue.
Concerns about the pipeline and fracking are down the road...not a cause of the current price increase.
If I recall, we were a net exporter of oil recently, and alternative energy is growing as a supply.

Sorry, I don't have time to go in depth on your list. Just like my comments were ignored.
Economists on the gasoline prices are "parroting your leftists cancellers." What's the point in answering your list?
That makes it very hard to have meaningful dialogue.

[paulxu]

Did you write this with a straight face? Self-awareness, meet Paul. Paul, meet self awareness. You have spent the last 3 years doing exactly what you are accusing him of doing. You don't get to call 'truce', change the rules and act like the last 3 years of name calling and ranting never happened. Biden is your guy, you voted him in...he was your answer. Time to deal with the consequences of an election and a 3 year whine session.

Yes, I voted for him. I think he has brought some needed stability to our government, but how he does remains to be seen.
He will be called out for his mistakes, as CNN recently noted a number of them in a recent interview.
Have no problem with anyone pointing out mistakes he makes...if they back them up with facts.

[Masterofreality]

Sorry, I don't have time to go in depth on your list. Just like my comments were ignored.
Economists on the gasoline prices are "parroting your leftists cancellers." What's the point in answering your list?
That makes it very hard to have meaningful dialogue.

Your comments weren’t ignored. I answered them. You don’t “have time” to answer my list but you obviously “had time” to respond to 2 different posters over, at least 10 minutes.

How about responding to this from your Kids in Cages President who’s southern border policy is a disaster?

There were 30,077 border apprehensions in February 2020. In February this year, CBP encountered 100,441 migrants at the southern border -- a 28% increase compared to January 2021 -- and carried out 72,113 explosions

Great Leadership. Where is Jim Acosta and AOC grandstanding at the border now? More importantly where is Sleepy Joe?

[bobbiemcgee]

-- and carried out 72,113 explosions/B]

Damn, guess they're getting serious down there.

[Strange Brew]

Your comments weren’t ignored. I answered them. You don’t “have time” to answer my list but you obviously “had time” to respond to 2 different posters over, at least 10 minutes.

How about responding to this from your Kids in Cages President who’s southern border policy is a disaster?

There were 30,077 border apprehensions in February 2020. In February this year, CBP encountered 100,441 migrants at the southern border -- a 28% increase compared to January 2021 -- and carried out 72,113 explosions

Great Leadership. Where is Jim Acosta and AOC grandstanding at the border now? More importantly where is Sleepy Joe?

Joe can’t make it because stairs....

[paulxu]

Lighten up!

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/03/918/516/bidens-fall-cartoon.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

[Strange Brew]

Lighten up!

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2021/03/918/516/bidens-fall-cartoon.jpg?ve=1&tl=1

Haha, my post was a joke and that pick is funny!

The Man won’t let me rep you.

[Masterofreality]

Damn, guess they're getting serious down there.

Not my word. Credit the Washington Post

[Masterofreality]

#BidensAmerica

Explain Paul!!!

On the Southern Border per the Washington Post:
“100 kids in a room. Mattresses just inches from one another. 200+ border agents diverted to care for children. 35 cases of coronavirus detected at one HHS facility. Senators describe conditions for children arriving alone at the border”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senators-border-minors-press-access/2021/03/20/c4ce50ce-89c2-11eb-8a67-f314e5fcf88d_story.html

[Strange Brew]

#BidensAmerica

Explain Paul!!!

On the Southern Border per the Washington Post:
“100 kids in a room. Mattresses just inches from one another. 200+ border agents diverted to care for children. 35 cases of coronavirus detected at one HHS facility. Senators describe conditions for children arriving alone at the border”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senators-border-minors-press-access/2021/03/20/c4ce50ce-89c2-11eb-8a67-f314e5fcf88d_story.html

Trump didn’t tell them to wear masks?

[UCGRAD4X]

Your comments weren’t ignored. I answered them. You don’t “have time” to answer my list but you obviously “had time” to respond to 2 different posters over, at least 10 minutes.

How about responding to this from your Kids in Cages President who’s southern border policy is a disaster?

There were 30,077 border apprehensions in February 2020. In February this year, CBP encountered 100,441 migrants at the southern border -- a 28% increase compared to January 2021 -- and carried out 72,113 explosions

Great Leadership. Where is Jim Acosta and AOC grandstanding at the border now? More importantly where is Sleepy Joe?

They are dealing with a problem left by the previous administration....

...which was dealing with a mess left by the previous administration...

...which was left by the previous administration...

...left by the previous administration...

...the previous administration...

Apparently it is all George Washington's fault.

F'in slave owner.

[Masterofreality]

They are dealing with a problem left by the previous administration....

...which was dealing with a mess left by the previous administration...

...which was left by the previous administration...

...left by the previous administration...

...the previous administration...

Apparently it is all George Washington's fault.

F'in slave owner.

Finish the Wall then!! And it’s Congress’ fault for not addressing common sense legislation. Waaaaay back.

[bobbiemcgee]

A 12 year old kid can climb the wall in 18 seconds. Some protection. They think it's a jungle gym.

[Masterofreality]

And now even Mexico is fed up with Biden’s faulty policy.
From ImmigrationReform.com

“ According to Reuters, the Mexican government has expressed unease over President Biden’s immigration policies. Since the 46th president took office, America’s southern neighbor has experienced large numbers of U.S.-bound Central American migrants crossings its borders to take advantage of the Biden administration’s loosened asylum policies. Unsurprisingly, Mexico is feeling the adverse effects of being used as a transit nation.

Mexican President Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador recently sounded off on the surge of foreign nationals entering his country. President Lopez Obrador urged President Biden to scale back his faulty asylum policies. The Mexican head of state explained the administration’s new immigration procedures have empowered organized crime syndicates in Mexico to profit from human smuggling and trafficking at the U.S.-Mexico border”

What a train wreck this administration is. But Biden will go to the border “at some point”. Yeesh

[bjf123]

Didn’t you hear the DHS Chief on the Sunday talk shows? He says the border with Mexico is closed, so it must be true. [emoji2369]


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[paulxu]

Just a little bit of levity in this thread.
The Kraken has decided that she really didn't mean it...at least not after Dominion sued her.
Wonder if it'll work for Rudy.


Sidney Powell has moved to dismiss Dominion's defamation lawsuit. She argues that when she accused Dominion of being part of an election-rigging scheme with ties to Venezuela, "no reasonable person would conclude" those "were truly statements of fact" https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2051

[Masterofreality]

Deal in the present Paul.

Crises all over.

[paulxu]

True, a lot of stuff going on.
But that lawsuit is going on too, and that really was ballsy to put that forth in their response to the suit.
She and Rudy spent months going on about Dominion and Venezuela. And millions and millions actually believed that nonsense.
(and still do)

[xubrew]

Just a little bit of levity in this thread.
The Kraken has decided that she really didn't mean it...at least not after Dominion sued her.
Wonder if it'll work for Rudy.

So the whole basis for her legal defense is that the people who make up her own base is not reasonable. Yunno...she may actually be on to something here!!

[Xville]

Meena Harris is a racist and a moron.. that’s all

[Muskie in dayton]

Meena Harris is a racist and a moron.. that’s all
It runs in the family. Actually, it runs in the political ideology.

[bobbiemcgee]

So the whole basis for her legal defense is that the people who make up her own base is not reasonable. Yunno...she may actually be on to something here!!

Her defense is that the "the Big Lie" was a lie and only some idiot trump supporters believed it and stormed the Capitol.

[bobbiemcgee]

Meena Harris is a racist and a moron.. that’s all

17% of mass murderers are black, slightly above their percentage of the population. Guess she forgot about the Chuck E Cheese murders here.

[Lamont Sanford]

Meena Harris is a racist and a moron.. that’s all

I guess those upcoming family events with white Uncle Doug will be a little awkward now. How sad and pathetic.

[noteggs]

Why do we need an ID to get a COVID vaccination? Don’t we need as many people possible to get vaccinated? Kind of sounds familiar.

[Masterofreality]

Hey Paul!!
According to the Wall Street Journal, current oil supply disruptions DO affect current gasoline prices. Of course, this is regressive as hell and disproportionately hurts the lower and middle classes.

“ Gasoline prices at U.S. pumps hit an average of $2.88 a gallon over the past week. Oil prices jumped 6% Wednesday as a giant container ship blocked a vital oil artery, the Suez Canal. It adds to a series of supply-chain disruptions (like pipeline cancellations and fracking bans- insert by me) set to push up prices for raw materials and other inputs

Your President is a First 100 Day disaster, even to himself walking up stairs, apparently.

[GoMuskies]

The pictures of that container ship blocking the Suez Canal are amazing. That is one massive vessel.

[paulxu]

Good point. Disruption in the chain affects pricing...supply and demand.
Biden has not banned fracking...that's a right wing talking point.
Fracking can continue on in its current mode...especially on private lands.
He has paused new leases on government property.
An un-built pipeline doesn't affect current supply/demand. A ship stuck in the Suez obviously disrupts current distribution and pricing.

[bobbiemcgee]

Hey Paul!!
According to the Wall Street Journal, current oil supply disruptions DO affect current gasoline prices. Of course, this is regressive as hell and disproportionately hurts the lower and middle classes.

“ Gasoline prices at U.S. pumps hit an average of $2.88 a gallon over the past week. Oil prices jumped 6% Wednesday as a giant container ship blocked a vital oil artery, the Suez Canal. It adds to a series of supply-chain disruptions (like pipeline cancellations and fracking bans- insert by me) set to push up prices for raw materials and other inputs

Yep, let's blame Joe for high winds in the Suez and Texas shutting down all the gas refineries due to the Texas Govt. ineptness.

[Lamont Sanford]

Should we blame God (or that meany DJT) for those high winds that caused Sleepy Joe to fall up the steps three times getting onto Air Force One the other day?!?

[bobbiemcgee]

Should we blame God (or that meany DJT) for those high winds that caused Sleepy Joe to fall up the steps three times getting onto Air Force One the other day?!?

Have you ever tripped going up a step? Guess not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5QODN6rGUM

[Lamont Sanford]

Have you ever tripped going up a step? Guess not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5QODN6rGUM

Three times??? Uhhh, no. And yet his bodyguards at CNN had the gall to blame the wind?!? Pure comedy there.

[X-ROX]

Should we blame God (or that meany DJT) for those high winds that caused Sleepy Joe to fall up the steps three times getting onto Air Force One the other day?!?
Yep, Trumps fault......

https://youtu.be/Tf25_4Jex-4

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess it was a matter of National Importance since Fox spent all day on it...hahah...bout as funny as the Big Liar tippy toeing down the the ramp at Westpoint or drinking water with both hands.

https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-airplane-movie-drinking-water-fail-3oKHWBy6GFcLdEhH0Y

[Strange Brew]

Guess it was a matter of National Importance since Fox spent all day on it...hahah...bout as funny as the Big Liar tippy toeing down the the ramp at Westpoint or drinking water with both hands.

https://giphy.com/gifs/filmeditor-airplane-movie-drinking-water-fail-3oKHWBy6GFcLdEhH0Y

Whataboutism.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump claims capitol rioters were "hugging and kissing" the cops and presented "zero threat". Can this get anymore absurd? Maybe Powell can add this to her defense. And don't bring a sip of water to GA voters, they'll lock you up.

[Smails]

Have you ever tripped going up a step? Guess not.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5QODN6rGUM

LOL.. Never 3 times sober. The best is when he tries to reach for the left rail and realizes the walkway is too wide and then decides to just power through and get to the top.

[noteggs]

One of my many flaws is chuckling at people who slip or accidentally run into things. Obviously I don’t want anyone hurt, but come on.

Couldn’t help, but laughed at Bobbie’s YouTube especially those going up the wrong way on escalator. Laughed at numerous memes on Trump dancing, but this also funny. Happy Gilmore is my favorite.

https://www.al.com/politics/2021/03/joe-bidens-fall-on-steps-of-air-force-one-becomes-instant-viral-meme-here-are-the-best-15.html

[bobbiemcgee]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/409/786/29b.jpg

[Strange Brew]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/409/786/29b.jpg

Pretty funny of him to do the humorous bad dancer with Elaine...

[Masterofreality]

Welcome to a New World (Woke) Order because of Dementia Joe Biden.
Meanwhile 16,000 kids are sleeping on floors in “reception areas” in TEXAS at the border- and journalists aren’t allowed to visit.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/australian-journalist-biden-making-world-more-dangerous-destroying-military-with-wokesters

[paulxu]

Fascinating that you can post that after the former guy tore through any number of defense secretaries and allowed the hollowing out of our State Department.
The last Defense Secretary who served for a couple of months,

Two days prior, he banned the DC National Guard from touching, arresting, or searching rioters, and bringing weapons, helmets and body armor to work on January 6
And of course set on his hands for a couple hours while our Capitol was being over run.

There are numerous challenges on the international stage that will stress the new administration. I feel confident the people who are working there now will do a better job than before.

[xuphan]

Welcome to a New World (Woke) Order because of Dementia Joe Biden.
Meanwhile 16,000 kids are sleeping on floors in “reception areas” in TEXAS at the border- and journalists aren’t allowed to visit.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/australian-journalist-biden-making-world-more-dangerous-destroying-military-with-wokesters

Thoughts on Gerrymandering? Should it be allowed?

[Strange Brew]

Thoughts on Gerrymandering? Should it be allowed?

Both sides have used it for years so sure. Or not. Doesn’t really change much if both sides have to stop.

[Strange Brew]

Fascinating that you can post that after the former guy tore through any number of defense secretaries and allowed the hollowing out of our State Department.
The last Defense Secretary who served for a couple of months,

And of course set on his hands for a couple hours while our Capitol was being over run.

There are numerous challenges on the international stage that will stress the new administration. I feel confident the people who are working there now will do a better job than before.

Actually Pelosi was in charge of the Gaurd that day...

[Masterofreality]

Fascinating that you can post that after the former guy tore through any number of defense secretaries and allowed the hollowing out of our State Department.
The last Defense Secretary who served for a couple of months,

And of course set on his hands for a couple hours while our Capitol was being over run.

There are numerous challenges on the international stage that will stress the new administration. I feel confident the people who are working there now will do a better job than before.

The last administration was the only one for over 60 years to not start a new war, and was actually putting the “Peace Through Strength” mantra into place.
Want to try again?

[Strange Brew]

The last administration was the only one for over 60 years to not start a new war, and was actually putting the “Peace Through Strength” mantra into place.
Want to try again?

Don’t confuse Paul with facts and common sense.

[paulxu]

Let me forward your questions to the families of the Capitol Hill Police.

As to the claim about starting wars, perhaps you been playing back a post that said:


“Did ya know? This was the 1st 4 year term with out <sic> a new war since Eisenhower.” The poster did not respond to USA TODAY's requests for comment.

Eisenhower was president 60 years ago.


We rate this claim FALSE, based on our research. Trump's term in office has not been the first four-year term since Eisenhower without a new war. Carter, Ford and Nixon all served after Eisenhower and did not bring the country into new wars.

I'll try not to confuse you with facts.

[Masterofreality]

Let me forward your questions to the families of the Capitol Hill Police.

As to the claim about starting wars, perhaps you been playing back a post that said:

Eisenhower was president 60 years ago.


I'll try not to confuse you with facts.

Uh.....from Reuters:
” Despite his policy of Vietnamization (a plan to gradually withdraw), President Richard Nixon intensified the conflict on other fronts, especially in Cambodia and Laos “
Ford was a continuation of Nixon’s term, Nixon’s policies and was his VP, and NOT re-elected to his own term, so to include him in this list is inaccurate at best.

Weak Jimmy Carter had an Ayatollah led Iran Hostage Crisis- An Act of War vs the United States that was equivalent to an attack on the Country, but he was too weak to resolve it- that wasn’t solved until Reagan took office. Carter also cost the lives of American soldiers in the Middle Eastern Desert by his clumsy and chicken hearted Milquetoast moves.

That is some “fact-check”. More of an “opinion check”.

The article I linked is from Australia. They, Taiwan and Japan are very nervous with good reason. Don’t divert attention from your Puppet Dementia Ridden President who can’t even finish complete sentences.

[Masterofreality]

Thoughts on Gerrymandering? Should it be allowed?

I live in a “Gerrymandered” District- from Toledo through *only* the eastern end of Cuyahoga County. One part of this “District” is only 3 blocks wide.
It was Gerrymandered by Democrats so Dems would win. Summit, Medina and Geauga Counties are conveniently left out. So are the cities of Avon, Westlake, Bay Village Fairview Park and Rocky River are mostly left out. A Republican represents those communities and if there was no “gerry” by the Dems, they would have 2 less Reps.

[paulxu]

The last administration was the only one for over 60 years to not start a new war, and was actually putting the “Peace Through Strength” mantra into place.
Want to try again?

You've got to know "starting a war" and "continuing one you inherit" are two different things. That's not an "opinion," it's a fact.

As to Ohio's redistricting, I think if you check, the current congressional districts, which were re-drawn after the 2010 census, were drawn by the party in power in the Ohio state house...the Republicans. So if you live in a highly gerrymandered district, like the one you describe from Toledo eastward, call the state Republican party. Don't blame it on Dems.

[Strange Brew]

You've got to know "starting a war" and "continuing one you inherit" are two different things. That's not an "opinion," it's a fact.

As to Ohio's redistricting, I think if you check, the current congressional districts, which were re-drawn after the 2010 census, were drawn by the party in power in the Ohio state house...the Republicans. So if you live in a highly gerrymandered district, like the one you describe from Toledo eastward, call the state Republican party. Don't blame it on Dems.

Save it Paul. If the Rs did it in 2010 then good because the Ds did it for decades before the Gingrich House. Save it. What goes around comes around. Sorry if you don’t like when the other side fights back.

Edit: I’m not even a Republican but everyone is tired of the Left complaining when the Right fights back. We’re done playing nice.

[paulxu]

Save it Paul. If the Rs did it in 2010 then good because the Ds did it for decades before the Gingrich House. Save it. What goes around comes around. Sorry if you don’t like when the other side fights back.

Edit: I’m not even a Republican but everyone is tired of the Left complaining when the Right fights back. We’re done playing nice.

Good for you. Just stick to the facts though. Re-redistricting is done state by state, and has nothing to do with Gingrich in the national congress.
I'm not complaining about anything. I just like to have dialogue based on facts, not somebody's tweets, or news feed from opinion artists.

I think the Republicans outplayed the Dems with a concentrated playbook for decades. My "opinion" is that much of it is fear based, from Lee Atwater all the way to Trump. Hopefully the Dems wake up to that, although they don't seem to be anywhere near as well organized nationally.

[bobbiemcgee]

Edit: I’m not even a Republican but everyone is tired of the Left complaining when the Right fights back. We’re done playing nice.

Certainly expect the radical right to fight back. They've been whining about everything since 11/4. Is anybody listening? Fox news is getting sued for a billion+ and their ratings are in the toilet. As my 'pub friends loved to say for 4 years, "elections have consequences." Keep bitching Cruzers!!

[Strange Brew]

Good for you. Just stick to the facts though. Re-redistricting is done state by state, and has nothing to do with Gingrich in the national congress.
I'm not complaining about anything. I just like to have dialogue based on facts, not somebody's tweets, or news feed from opinion artists.

I think the Republicans outplayed the Dems with a concentrated playbook for decades. My "opinion" is that much of it is fear based, from Lee Atwater all the way to Trump. Hopefully the Dems wake up to that, although they don't seem to be anywhere near as well organized nationally.

Fear based? Clean your own house Paul.

Remember every Rub was going to blow up the world but hasn’t however a Dem dropped the bomb....Twice.

[Strange Brew]

Certainly expect the radical right to fight back. They've been whining about everything since 11/4. Is anybody listening? Fox news is getting sued for a billion+ and their ratings are in the toilet. As my 'pub friends loved to say for 4 years, "elections have consequences." Keep bitching Cruzers!!

No one is complaining. States are fixing election irregularities and Biden is burying the Dems. It’s more keeping the powder dry.

[Masterofreality]

You've got to know "starting a war" and "continuing one you inherit" are two different things. That's not an "opinion," it's a fact.

As to Ohio's redistricting, I think if you check, the current congressional districts, which were re-drawn after the 2010 census, were drawn by the party in power in the Ohio state house...the Republicans. So if you live in a highly gerrymandered district, like the one you describe from Toledo eastward, call the state Republican party. Don't blame it on Dems.

Ford & Nixon were one administration with the same policies. Ford was never elected. He was complicit in the administration policies. Don’t distract.

I don’t have to “check”. I live here!! Know who was in power in Ohio in 2010? The Democrats. The lines were based on the 2000 census, not 2010. Strickland, who was such a clueless Governor, lost his race to Kasich.

In 2011, Roll Call criticized it as a product of gerrymandering, naming it one of the United States' "Top 5 Ugliest Districts". It’s also called “The Snake by the Lake”

Try again.

[Smails]

Fear based? Clean your own house Paul.



Paul and self-awareness haven't gotten the chance to be introduced yet.

How about Grandpa Joe saying that new GA voting law has the polls closing at 5:00PM and 'working people" won't be able to vote.

"What I’m worried about is how un-American this whole initiative is. It’s sick. It’s sick," Biden said. "Deciding that you’re going to end voting at five o'clock when working people are just getting off work."

Rebuke from Glen Kessler (Liberal fact checker from the Washington Post)

"On Election Day in Georgia, polling places are open from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m., and if you are in line by 7 p.m., you are allowed to cast your ballot. Nothing in the new law changes those rules. However, the law did make some changes to early voting. But experts say the net effect was to expand the opportunities to vote for most Georgians, not limit them," Kessler continued, noting some experts feel Biden may have been briefed on an outdated version of the bill.

Kessler also wrote Biden may have gotten confused because the new law clarifies that early voting can be conducted "beginning at 9:00 AM and ending at 5:00 PM," as opposed to the previous framing that simply noted early voting "shall be conducted during normal business hours."

Completely and utterly clueless

[bobbiemcgee]

Gaetz was only vote against human trafficking bill. Wonder why?

[Strange Brew]

Gaetz was only vote against human trafficking bill. Wonder why?

Let’s hear the tapes IF they exist.

[paulxu]

Ford & Nixon were one administration with the same policies. Ford was never elected. He was complicit in the administration policies. Don’t distract.

I don’t have to “check”. I live here!! Know who was in power in Ohio in 2010? The Democrats. The lines were based on the 2000 census, not 2010. Strickland, who was such a clueless Governor, lost his race to Kasich.

In 2011, Roll Call criticized it as a product of gerrymandering, naming it one of the United States' "Top 5 Ugliest Districts". It’s also called “The Snake by the Lake”

Try again.

OK, I'll try again. Here is a link to show who was control of the Ohio legislature in 2010.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_House_of_Representatives

In the last 28 years, Dems have controlled the house in Ohio for 2 cycles. They had it in '08, but lost in 2010. Republicans have had it since.
The census of 2010 was used by the Republicans to redraw the districts, including your snake district.


After the 2010 Census, Ohio lost two House seats due to slow population growth compared to the national average, and a new map was signed into law on September 26, 2011. This map was ruled unconstitutional due to "partisan gerrymandering", and state Republicans were told to redraw the map before June 14, 2019.

As I understand it, the suit went all the way to the SC, and was dismissed. A new map is coming and think Ohio is trying for a bi-partisan commission to re-draw the lines.

Regardless, it is my understanding that the Republicans re-drew the lines (including the long district on the lake) in 2011, based on the 2010 census.
What am I missing?

[Masterofreality]

OK, I'll try again. Here is a link to show who was control of the Ohio legislature in 2010.

https://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_House_of_Representatives

In the last 28 years, Dems have controlled the house in Ohio for 2 cycles. They had it in '08, but lost in 2010. Republicans have had it since.
The census of 2010 was used by the Republicans to redraw the districts, including your snake district.



As I understand it, the suit went all the way to the SC, and was dismissed. A new map is coming and think Ohio is trying for a bi-partisan commission to re-draw the lines.

Regardless, it is my understanding that the Republicans re-drew the lines (including the long district on the lake) in 2011, based on the 2010 census.
What am I missing?

The One Hundred Twenty-ninth Ohio General Assembly was a meeting of the Ohio state legislature, composed of the Ohio State Senate and the Ohio House of Representatives. It met in Columbus, Ohio from January 3, 2011 until December 20, 2012. While Ted Strickland was Ohio Governor for the first week of the biennium, John Kasich was sworn in during the second week. The apportionment of districts was based on the [B]2000United States Census. This was the last time the 2000 census was used by the General Assembly to determine the apportionment of legislative districts.

The District has been Represented by a Democrat forever because it’s been a huge Dem fight to protect it and part of a compromise agreement. Dennis Kuchinich before, Marcy Kaptur now. It is drawn to favor Democrats. Anthony Gonzalez, a Republican represents the adjacent district. When it gets redrawn Gonzalez will win, if he runs.

Stop acting like only Republicans Gerrymander. Dems jump at the chance.

[Lloyd Braun]

I hate to get involved in this but because I lived in this district in 2012 I will share my memory of this, which backs what Paul says. The district was redrawn to include part of Kucinich’s district and Kaptur/Kucinich, BOTH incumbents, were forced to run against each other thus eliminating a Democrat in congress. Kaptur was already in office since the early 80s and because the census showed depleting population Ohio lost two seats. Republican legislature drew the new lines (the governor does not draw congressional district lines) knowing the seat lost in this area would be a Democratic seat. I’m sure Democrats gerrymander but this is not an example of that at all.

[paulxu]

Thanks Lloyd. I checked with an attorney friend who practiced for many years in Toledo, and is a friend of the president of the Ohio Senate.
He confirmed to me that the Republicans did in fact redraw the congressional district lines, as they retook control of the legislature in 2010, as I noted above.
I know gerrymandering is done by both parties, but in Ohio's case, the 2011 re-draw caused a lot of challenges.


As a result of the 2010 Census, Ohio lost two congressional seats, dropping from 18 to 16.[4][8]

Ohio received its 2010 local census data. This data guided lawmakers as they drew new legislative districts

https://ballotpedia.org/Redistricting_in_Ohio_after_the_2010_census

[xuphan]

I hate to get involved in this but because I lived in this district in 2012 I will share my memory of this, which backs what Paul says. The district was redrawn to include part of Kucinich’s district and Kaptur/Kucinich, BOTH incumbents, were forced to run against each other thus eliminating a Democrat in congress. Kaptur was already in office since the early 80s and because the census showed depleting population Ohio lost two seats. Republican legislature drew the new lines (the governor does not draw congressional district lines) knowing the seat lost in this area would be a Democratic seat. I’m sure Democrats gerrymander but this is not an example of that at all.

As with most political discussions. Who cares if it is only Democrats/if it’s only republicans/or if it is both. Gerrymandering is wrong and shouldn’t be allowed period. Stop blaming the other side and work together to fix the damn problem.

[bobbiemcgee]

Let’s hear the tapes IF they exist.

Apparently he has photos and videos of nude women on his phone if you're interested.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/546094-gaetz-showed-lawmakers-nude-photos-of-women-he-claimed-to-have-slept-with

[Strange Brew]

Apparently he has photos and videos of nude women on his phone if you're interested.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/546094-gaetz-showed-lawmakers-nude-photos-of-women-he-claimed-to-have-slept-with

I’m not.

More interested if the government attempted to extort/blackmail him.

[Masterofreality]

“Lyin’ Joe Biden”

From the Wall Street Journal about Georgia’s new voting law:
“ “You’re go*ing to close a polling place at 5 o’clock, when work*ing peo*ple just get off?” he said to ESPN. “This is all about keep*ing work*ing folks, and or*di*nary folks that I grew up with, from be*ing able to vote.” Mr. Biden ei*ther doesn’t know what’s in the Geor*gia bill or he is ly*ing about it. We’d like to be*lieve it’s the for*mer, but that gets harder to credit as his false*hoods mul*ti*ply. On Elec*tion Day in Geor*gia, any*one in line by 7 p.m. gets a bal*lot. The new law re*quires an ex*tra Sat*ur*day of vot*ing, while spec*i*fy*ing early vot*ing hours: The min*i*mum is 9 a.m. to 5 p.m., but coun*ties may run 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. In metro ar*eas, “you might not no*tice a change,” ex*plains Geor*gia Pub*lic Broad*cast*ing. Else*where, “you will have an ex*tra week*end day, and your week*day early vot*ing hours will likely be longer. Geor*gia’s law does make it eas*ier to vote, though it also tries to re*as*sure cit*i*zens about bal*lot in*tegrity. The state pro*vides far more days of early vot*ing than New York. It of*fers no-ex*cuse ab*sen*tee bal*lots, un*like Mr. Biden’s beloved Del*aware. So who’s re*ally sup*press*ing whom? Geor*gia’s new law puts lim*its on drop boxes, but as Delta’s Mr. Bas*t*ian now re*grets point*ing out last week, it also makes them a per*ma*nent part of the vot*ing sys*tem. In 2019, be*fore Covid, drop boxes were il*le*gal.“

[Masterofreality]

And there’s this. Lyin’ Biden

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/04/02/president-biden-recidivist/

[bobbiemcgee]

I remember a time when all the CEO's were staunch Republicans. Now the Republicans hate corporate America. Hahaha. Too funny.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983450176/based-on-a-lie-georgia-voting-law-faces-wave-of-corporate-backlash

[Masterofreality]

I remember a time when all the CEO's were staunch Republicans. Now the Republicans hate corporate America. Hahaha. Too funny.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983450176/based-on-a-lie-georgia-voting-law-faces-wave-of-corporate-backlash

CEO’s are in bed with China. And are chicken to stand up to them.
You DO NOT want to go there.

And Delta and Coca Cola can pull up stakes whenever they want rather than just weak woke statements.
But they won’t.

I hope Delta likes losing that big ass tax break they received.

[bobbiemcgee]

Relax MOR. Yeah, things are tough. New jobs up almost a million, airlines and hotels packed, S&P 4,000, Americans flush with cash, used car market and home sales booming, 200 million covid shots etc. etc. Go see the grandkids.

[Xville]

I remember a time when all the CEO's were staunch Republicans. Now the Republicans hate corporate America. Hahaha. Too funny.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983450176/based-on-a-lie-georgia-voting-law-faces-wave-of-corporate-backlash

What I find funny is that none of those quotes by Delta, Coca-Cola, or basically anyone do not mention one thing about the new legislation that is a problem except for Biden whose quote was completely wrong....it's just "arrrrggghhhh racism...arrrgggh inequitable." It's pretty obvious by their statements that none of them have actually read the legislation or even the cliff notes version of the legislation to understand any of it. It's just "aaargggh someone is pissed off because republicans passed a bill so im going to be pissed off too to make myself look like I give a crap so they use Delta or buy more Coke and don't cancel me."

[noteggs]

I remember a time when all the CEO's were staunch Republicans. Now the Republicans hate corporate America. Hahaha. Too funny.

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/01/983450176/based-on-a-lie-georgia-voting-law-faces-wave-of-corporate-backlash

Nah, they mainly just care about money. Companies are just trying to prevent a future boycott by the Democrats.

For some reason, Democrats love to boycott businesses that fail to agree with their ideology that all Republicans are racist. Unfortunately, identity politics is everywhere in this country.

[Strange Brew]

Nah, they mainly just care about money. Companies are just trying to prevent a future boycott by the Democrats.

For some reason, Democrats love to boycott businesses that fail to agree with their ideology that all Republicans are racist. Unfortunately, identity politics is everywhere in this country.

True, I’m now hearing their cancelling Obama because he was the deporter in Chief.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Nah, they mainly just care about money. Companies are just trying to prevent a future boycott by the Democrats.

For some reason, Democrats love to boycott businesses that fail to agree with their ideology that all Republicans are racist. Unfortunately, identity politics is everywhere in this country.

See Starbucks Christmas cup from 6 years ago, we learned it from watching you.

[Strange Brew]

See Starbucks Christmas cup from 6 years ago, we learned it from watching you.

What? Are you implying the Left didn’t boycott/cancel things before 2015?

[Strange Brew]

What’s even more humorous is the party that created Jim Crow is now calling everything they don’t like Jim Crow or the goofy Jim Eagle.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

What? Are you implying the Left didn’t boycott/cancel things before 2015?

Well, I know in what mid-2000s that Heinz pulled an ad showing two men kissing. NFL, NBA kneeling, to complain about cancel culture and linking it to boycotts to me is just stupid.

It's clear right now that one side is seeking to suppress election votes for mythical voting fraud. The reality is that your most powerful vote is with your wallet. If you don't like what a company does or stands for stop spending your money there and bring light to the issue. If you don't like it, this is the free market. It works for both the providers and consumers.

Why do you hate the free market? That is exactly what I told my mother-in-law when she flipped her lid over Dr. Suess.

[Xville]

Well, I know in what mid-2000s that Heinz pulled an ad showing two men kissing. NFL, NBA kneeling, to complain about cancel culture and linking it to boycotts to me is just stupid.

It's clear right now that one side is seeking to suppress election votes for mythical voting fraud. The reality is that your most powerful vote is with your wallet. If you don't like what a company does or stands for stop spending your money there and bring light to the issue. If you don't like it, this is the free market. It works for both the providers and consumers.

Why do you hate the free market? That is exactly what I told my mother-in-law when she flipped her lid over Dr. Suess.

I'm a bit confused...do you think cancel culture is stupid or not?

I agree that anyone is free to make their own decisions with their wallet...i mean, of course. I also believe that it is of course within my right to "boycott" a company or whatever because I personally don't agree with their thoughts on x, y, z.

The problem I have with today is the pitchfork cancel culture of I don't agree with x, y, z company or person so neither should anyone else so let's cancel them. That's not a free market if that is what you are implying.

[Strange Brew]

Well, I know in what mid-2000s that Heinz pulled an ad showing two men kissing. NFL, NBA kneeling, to complain about cancel culture and linking it to boycotts to me is just stupid.

It's clear right now that one side is seeking to suppress election votes for mythical voting fraud. The reality is that your most powerful vote is with your wallet. If you don't like what a company does or stands for stop spending your money there and bring light to the issue. If you don't like it, this is the free market. It works for both the providers and consumers.

Why do you hate the free market? That is exactly what I told my mother-in-law when she flipped her lid over Dr. Suess.

Read the bill and get back to us on how VRs are being suppressed.

[Strange Brew]

I'm a bit confused...do you think cancel culture is stupid or not?

I agree that anyone is free to make their own decisions with their wallet...i mean, of course. I also believe that it is of course within my right to "boycott" a company or whatever because I personally don't agree with their thoughts on x, y, z.

The problem I have with today is the pitchfork cancel culture of I don't agree with x, y, z company or person so neither should anyone else so let's cancel them. That's not a free market if that is what you are implying.

Agree. Delta is grandstanding but I’m still going to fly with them. I don’t understand why they felt the need to get involved but whatever.

[Xville]

Read the bill and get back to us on how VRs are being suppressed.

+1 completely agree.... again it is just as I said...republicans passed a bill.....aaaarggggh they’re racist, aaarrggh cancel them” probably none of them who are screaming racism or any other baloney have no clue what the bill actually said or did.

[bobbiemcgee]

Agree. Delta is grandstanding but I’m still going to fly with them. I don’t understand why they felt the need to get involved but whatever.

So you'll "have a coke and a smile". Good.

[Strange Brew]

So you'll "have a coke and a smile". Good.

If that’s what’s being sold and that ad campaign is an all timer so I may buy Coke over Pepsi today because you reminded me of it.

[Masterofreality]

Relax MOR. Yeah, things are tough. New jobs up almost a million, airlines and hotels packed, S&P 4,000, Americans flush with cash, used car market and home sales booming, 200 million covid shots etc. etc. Go see the grandkids.

I coulda said the same thing to you the last Four Years up until the China Virus but you never would have acknowledged it.
Biden hasn’t been in for 100 days yet. Let’s see how this goes in two years, much less four

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I'm a bit confused...do you think cancel culture is stupid or not?

I agree that anyone is free to make their own decisions with their wallet...i mean, of course. I also believe that it is of course within my right to "boycott" a company or whatever because I personally don't agree with their thoughts on x, y, z.

The problem I have with today is the pitchfork cancel culture of I don't agree with x, y, z company or person so neither should anyone else so let's cancel them. That's not a free market if that is what you are implying.

How is one consumer or a group of consumers boycotting a company and bringing to light company practices or products of which they don't approve not the free-market? Is it because they are making their feelings public? Is it the public call to boycott? How are any of those things bad?

This is exactly the free market working from the consumer side. You choosing not to participate in the boycott is also the free market working from the consumer side.

Again, why do you hate the free market?

[Smails]

Again, why do you hate the free market?

You're either being a complete smart-ass or purposefully obtuse. Is it your opinion that those opposed to the cancel culture hate the free market? You know damn well one does not equal the other.

[Xville]

How is one consumer or a group of consumers boycotting a company and bringing to light company practices or products of which they don't approve not the free-market? Is it because they are making their feelings public? Is it the public call to boycott? How are any of those things bad?

This is exactly the free market working from the consumer side. You choosing not to participate in the boycott is also the free market working from the consumer side.

Again, why do you hate the free market?

You have a very distorted view of what free market is and actually means. It is not what you describe above. Free market is an economic term, has zero to do with the above.

So you are either completely ignorant, which I don’t think you are, or you are trying to fit something into whatever narrative you are pushing that doesn’t compute.

Just because you agree with some bs article from the media, doesn’t mean it makes any sense.

cancel culture creates an environment where it is not acceptable to voice ideas. Don’t like what someone is saying? No need to listen or hear them, just silence and cancel them. One of the biggest signs of respect someone can show to you is to say “I have heard your idea, and you are wrong and here is why.” It means they thought your ideas were intelligent enough to listen to, and they did listen, and while they don’t agree they respect you enough to tell you why and share their ideas with you to give you knowledge and a different viewpoint.

But cancel culture says “nay”. It is cowardace. I don’t like what you have to say, I stopped listening to you, and don’t have any ideas to share with you to refute what you are saying, so I’m going to stir others up in droves to silence you and your ideology. It makes us as a society, much weaker., and is not a free market nor has anything to do with a free market.

[bobbiemcgee]

When will people learn you can't bring a knife to a gunfight?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You have a very distorted view of what free market is and actually means. It is not what you describe above. Free market is an economic term, has zero to do with the above.

So you are either completely ignorant, which I donÂ’t think you are, or you are trying to fit something into whatever narrative you are pushing that doesnÂ’t compute.

Just because you agree with some bs article from the media, doesnÂ’t mean it makes any sense.

How is the free market only driven by the producers? It would seem to me that the free market is driven by both producers and consumers. Prices and products are driven by supply and demand not just supply. A boycott of a product is something kicked off by consumers to dramatically reduce demand for a product and hurt the applicable business. Regardless of the reason, it's a consumer or several consumers'
choice that seek to dramatically reduce demand for said product. This is done free from any government oversight or control and made purely from the consumer side of the equation.

It is a pure free market decision that drive this, it doesn't matter that you don't agree with their boycott. This is the same as my mother-in-law turning off her netflix because they signed the Obamas and telling her whole family to do the same. These calls for boycotts are stupid, but it doesn't change the fact that they all boil down to a call for consumers to unleash the power of their wallet.

Edit to include this: Free speech isn't freedom from consequence. Cancel culture is stupid, but the world should continue to hold people accountable for the stupid things they say/post in public.

[Xville]

How is the free market only driven by the producers? It would seem to me that the free market is driven by both producers and consumers. Prices and products are driven by supply and demand not just supply. A boycott of a product is something kicked off by consumers to dramatically reduce demand for a product and hurt the applicable business. Regardless of the reason, it's a consumer or several consumers'
choice that seek to dramatically reduce demand for said product. This is done free from any government oversight or control and made purely from the consumer side of the equation.

It is a pure free market decision that drive this, it doesn't matter that you don't agree with their boycott. This is the same as my mother-in-law turning off her netflix because they signed the Obamas and telling her whole family to do the same. These calls for boycotts are stupid, but it doesn't change the fact that they all boil down to a call for consumers to unleash the power of their wallet.

Edit to include this: Free speech isn't freedom from consequence. Cancel culture is stupid, but the world should continue to hold people accountable for the stupid things they say/post in public.

I agree with your last two sentences. The problem I have is when cancel culture happens just because someone has beliefs different from yours. There is a difference between say cancelling Harvey Weinstein and I dunno Santa Claus or something equally ridiculous like moving the baseball all star game because of some legislation that you disagreed with and didn’t understand.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I agree with your last two sentences. The problem I have is when cancel culture happens just because someone has beliefs different from yours. There is a difference between say cancelling Harvey Weinstein and I dunno Santa Claus or something equally ridiculous like moving the baseball all star game because of some legislation that you disagreed with and didn’t understand.

The free market only cares that a decision was made not the particulars of the decision. You care about it. You can hate on cancel culture all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact the people who choose not to consume a product or buy from a company are exercising their rights in the free market. Social media allows that choice to travel faster than ever before in history. You are free to disagree and spout it at the top of your lungs or with ferocious strokes of your keyboard. The consequences will always remain.

[Xville]

The free market only cares that a decision was made not the particulars of the decision. You care about it. You can hate on cancel culture all you want, but it doesn’t change the fact the people who choose not to consume a product or buy from a company are exercising their rights in the free market. Social media allows that choice to travel faster than ever before in history. You are free to disagree and spout it at the top of your lungs or with ferocious strokes of your keyboard. The consequences will always remain.

Ok. You don’t have a very good understanding of what free market is. This conversation is going nowhere.

[Strange Brew]

Ok. You don’t have a very good understanding of what free market is. This conversation is going nowhere.

Come on I learned it the 7th grade not Harvard (Seth Green). Name that movie.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Ok. You don’t have a very good understanding of what free market is. This conversation is going nowhere.

How exactly am I missing the idea here?

Nobody is curtailing anyone's ability to say in public whatever they want, but nobody should be curtailing the consequences of speech. This works for business as well, if you spout stuff in public and you are the face of a company prepare for a backlash or be sure you aren't annoying your customers.

I have a great many conservative friends and family. When Nike hired Kaep, they all told me this would kill the company. I politely told them Nike sells 35%ish of the US market share for shoes. They know who buys their shoes, they made a business decision. You go ahead and not buy them, it's your decision. Same for the Dr. Suess people, they know who buys their books and they know what books are sold. I told them the same thing, that decision was made in a board room with sales reports and not with cancel culture on their mind. These are business decisions and boycotts are consumer decisions. Businesses/consumers can make any choice they want resulting in either side reacting accordingly.

[Strange Brew]

How exactly am I missing the idea here?

Nobody is curtailing anyone's ability to say in public whatever they want, but nobody should be curtailing the consequences of speech. This works for business as well, if you spout stuff in public and you are the face of a company prepare for a backlash or be sure you aren't annoying your customers.

I have a great many conservative friends and family. When Nike hired Kaep, they all told me this would kill the company. I politely told them Nike sells 35%ish of the US market share for shoes. They know who buys their shoes, they made a business decision. You go ahead and not buy them, it's your decision. Same for the Dr. Suess people, they know who buys their books and they know what books are sold. I told them the same thing, that decision was made in a board room with sales reports and not with cancel culture on their mind. These are business decisions and boycotts are consumer decisions. Businesses/consumers can make any choice they want resulting in either side reacting accordingly.

They’re called externalities. They are not part of normal market theory. I.e, supply/demand based on product and price demands/supplies of parties involved.

From a marketing standpoint it’s folly to engage in this manner when the issue is not related to your product/brand.

[xudash]

They’re called externalities. They are not part of normal market theory. I.e, supply/demand based on product and price demands/supplies of parties involved.

From a marketing standpoint it’s folly to engage in this manner when the issue is not related to your product/brand.

Exactly. It’s the same with idiot celebrities, most of whom are less than well educated, especially when it comes to business. Alec Baldwin is an example of someone who really should learn to develop a quieter disposition.

[Strange Brew]

Nice of a Leftist to kill Capital Police today.

Biden must condemn the Left wing terrorist or impeach!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

They’re called externalities. They are not part of normal market theory. I.e, supply/demand based on product and price demands/supplies of parties involved.

From a marketing standpoint it’s folly to engage in this manner when the issue is not related to your product/brand.

It's the difference between text book and real life. The fact is these things all affect how we use our money. People make buying decisions based things like locally owned business, sustainably grown, even whether a company uses profits for political lobbying. I literally don't know a single person who purely shops based on price alone.

Now that the MLB moved the All-star game out of George, Dr. Suess Enterprises stopped printing books, my question is whether you honestly believe it's the company caving to cancel culture or if it's the company who knows who their consumers are and the type of company they are expected to be? My earlier example of Nike, they know who buys their shoes. MLB knows exactly who is going to their games and watching them on TV. Dr. Suess Enterprises knows who are buying their books and which books are being bought.

[Strange Brew]

It's the difference between text book and real life. The fact is these things all affect how we use our money. People make buying decisions based things like locally owned business, sustainably grown, even whether a company uses profits for political lobbying. I literally don't know a single person who purely shops based on price alone.

Now that the MLB moved the All-star game out of George, Dr. Suess Enterprises stopped printing books, my question is whether you honestly believe it's the company caving to cancel culture or if it's the company who knows who their consumers are and the type of company they are expected to be? My earlier example of Nike, they know who buys their shoes. MLB knows exactly who is going to their games and watching them on TV. Dr. Suess Enterprises knows who are buying their books and which books are being bought.

Sustainable is part of the product and not an externality.

Nike not caving. It’s been part of the brand since Spike Lee did commercials.

Dr. S caving and stupidly so. The cancelling actually raised demand from its core customer fearful of a shortage.

[Masterofreality]

Nice of a Leftist to kill Capital Police today.

Biden must condemn the Left wing terrorist or impeach!

Yup. A Farrakhan stan and Nation of Islam follower. Anti Semitic and racist as hell.
“A DIRECT ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL!!”
I’m sure Paul will rail on this and blame the Left for this violation of our freedom for at least 3 months.

Or won’t.

[Xville]

It's the difference between text book and real life. The fact is these things all affect how we use our money. People make buying decisions based things like locally owned business, sustainably grown, even whether a company uses profits for political lobbying. I literally don't know a single person who purely shops based on price alone.

Now that the MLB moved the All-star game out of George, Dr. Suess Enterprises stopped printing books, my question is whether you honestly believe it's the company caving to cancel culture or if it's the company who knows who their consumers are and the type of company they are expected to be? My earlier example of Nike, they know who buys their shoes. MLB knows exactly who is going to their games and watching them on TV. Dr. Suess Enterprises knows who are buying their books and which books are being bought.

Holding Mlb up as an example is laughable considering it is run by one of the worst commissioners ever in professional sports, which is really truly saying something.

Just because businesses do something, doesn’t make it smart. I listen to business owners every day make absolutely stupid decisions.

Oh and btw Nike has been losing market share to adidas for years. Probably not due to the Kaep thing but because people are becoming wise to the fact that their quality is shit.

[Masterofreality]

They should have pulled it because of Atlanta’s stupid nickname, logo and that racist Tomahawk Chop.
Can’t do one without the other.

[bobbiemcgee]

You don't like the Indians?

[paulxu]

Yup. A Farrakhan stan and Nation of Islam follower. Anti Semitic and racist as hell.
“A DIRECT ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL!!”
I’m sure Paul will rail on this and blame the Left for this violation of our freedom for at least 3 months.

Or won’t.
Flarrakhan bears responsibility for pushing false narratives that encourage this sort of behavior, the same way Trump bears it for what he encouraged.

[Strange Brew]

Flarrakhan bears responsibility for pushing false narratives that encourage this sort of behavior, the same way Trump bears it for what he encouraged.

Obama and Biden both endorse LF.

[bobbiemcgee]

KKK endorsed trump. Point?

[Strange Brew]

KKK endorsed trump. Point?

KKK is a Democrat founded and run organization. Point?

[bobbiemcgee]

Good for him. He can brag he has some democratic support lol. Are the Proud Boys and Qanon democrats too?

[Strange Brew]

Good for him. He can brag he has some democratic support lol. Are the Proud Boys and Qanon democrats too?

Not that I’m aware of. But the Klan are the Dems problem. I think Biden spoke highly of his fellow Klansmen in the Senate (Byrd).

[bobbiemcgee]

The guy was a domestic terrorist, just like the clowns on 1/6.

[Strange Brew]

The guy was a domestic terrorist, just like the clowns on 1/6.

Just like BLM and Antifa you mean.

[bobbiemcgee]

yeah, fake trump supporters lol

[Strange Brew]

yeah, fake trump supporters lol

Nope those two groups have killed more people and police officers and destroyed more property than all Trump supporters combined. Give it up Bobbie. The Jan 6th protest was peanuts compared to what the Left is doing.

[bobbiemcgee]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI Director Chris Wray on Tuesday debunked conspiracy theories promoted by right-wing supporters (you) of former President Donald Trump, saying there was no evidence that leftist extremists disguised themselves as Trump supporters to storm the U.S. Capitol.

[Strange Brew]

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - FBI Director Chris Wray on Tuesday debunked conspiracy theories promoted by right-wing supporters (you) of former President Donald Trump, saying there was no evidence that leftist extremists disguised themselves as Trump supporters to storm the U.S. Capitol.

What’s your point. There are pics of known Antifa members in the Capital building. Don’t need Wray’s opinion.

What are your thoughts on BLM attempting to storm the WH and setting a Church on fire last summer. Let me guess, “mostly peaceful”.

[xuwillie]

Bobbie is the type of person ruining Colorado. I’ll be moving to Florida soon

[Masterofreality]

You don't like the Indians?

No

[Masterofreality]

Flarrakhan bears responsibility for pushing false narratives that encourage this sort of behavior, the same way Trump bears it for what he encouraged.


Obama and Biden both endorse LF.

So then let’s see Biden trashing posts for the next 3 months Paul. This “Black Supremicist” directly killed a Capitol Police Officer. That seems to be way worse than 1/6 when nobody directly killed any Capitol Police. The one that died did not die from the event. Greenwald’s article proved that.
I anxiously await the next 3 months.
Too bad for Biden and Harris that the perpetrator was killed so they couldn’t set up a Bail Out Fund for him like Harris promoted last summer.
By the way, Trump clearly said “Peacefully March” in his 1/6 speech, just for accuracy’s sake. But you don’t care about that.
Just like you probably don’t care about accurate reporting on the new Georgia Voting Law.

[bobbiemcgee]

Bobbie is the type of person ruining Colorado. I’ll be moving to Florida soon

Good. We should get to 60%:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/colorado-president-results

[Strange Brew]

Good. We should get to 60%:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/colorado-president-results

Nice thing about CO is it’s very difficult for the crazies in Denver to raise taxes. That and, the state gives more control to the counties than most. I have school choice here and love it!

[paulxu]

I never knew that our fellow Xavier alum John Boehner had such a dislike for Ted Cruz.

[Masterofreality]

I never knew that our fellow Xavier alum John Boehner had such a dislike for Ted Cruz.

And how many Democrat Congresspeople don’t like other Democrat Congresspeople?
Enlighten us, Paul since you seem to be so wired in.

[X-man]

What’s your point. There are pics of known Antifa members in the Capital building. Don’t need Wray’s opinion.

What are your thoughts on BLM attempting to storm the WH and setting a Church on fire last summer. Let me guess, “mostly peaceful”.

Child, please. Don't keep making this shit up.

[Strange Brew]

Child, please. Don't keep making this shit up.

I’m not. They’re out there. Thanks for playing...

[paulxu]

I actually have no insider knowledge, and didn't claim any to enlighten anyone.
I was commenting on Boehner's recent book and his comments about Ted Cruz.
And yes, I was surprised by the apparent level of vitriol.
And yes, I'm sure that exists in a lot of people towards members of their own party.

[paulxu]

I’m not. They’re out there. Thanks for playing...

I'm curious. Is there actually evidence of one, or more, self-described "antifa" people that actually have been arrested in the few hundred so far?


Shortly after the riot, the FBI directly refuted the conspiracy theory, saying there is "no indication" that antifa — a decentralized collection of far-left groups and individuals — was involved. To date, no one who has since been charged in the attack appears to have any connection to the anti-fascist movement either.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/972564176/antifa-didnt-storm-the-capitol-just-ask-the-rioters

I wouldn't doubt there might have been, but haven't seen anything so far that would indicate that.

[X-man]

I'm curious. Is there actually evidence of one, or more, self-described "antifa" people that actually have been arrested in the few hundred so far?


https://www.npr.org/2021/03/02/972564176/antifa-didnt-storm-the-capitol-just-ask-the-rioters

I wouldn't doubt there might have been, but haven't seen anything so far that would indicate that.

Perhaps "the player", Brew, will supply us all with one of the "pic's" he is referring to.

[Strange Brew]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/breaking-exclusive-list-20-individuals-interest-capitol-january-6th-appear-connected-antifa/

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/breaking-exclusive-list-20-individuals-interest-capitol-january-6th-appear-connected-antifa/

Nice reference. Half of these people were arrested by the FBI including trump supporter "Pink Lady" using her bullhorn to incite the riot. No names, no article, just a bunch of obscure pics.

[Strange Brew]

Nice reference. Half of these people were arrested by the FBI including trump supporter "Pink Lady" using her bullhorn to incite the riot. No names, no article, just a bunch of obscure pics.

That’s fine Bobby. It’s out there as is the truth that the officer did not pass as a result of the mostly peaceful protest.

[bobbiemcgee]

They should have pulled it because of Atlanta’s stupid nickname, logo and that racist Tomahawk Chop.
Can’t do one without the other.

Reportedly moving here.

[Masterofreality]

Reportedly moving here.

Colorado. Which has more restrictive voting laws than new Georgia!
Cancel culture at it’s best!

Georgia has 17 days of in-person early voting including two optional Sundays, Colorado has 15," Georgia Governor Kemp said. "So what I'm being told, they also have a photo ID requirement. So it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
As it turns out, Colorado also requires voters to show identification when voting in person, and the state says that first-time mail-in voters may be required to include a copy of their identification with their ballot.
This is not far off from Georgia, which requires identification for in-person and absentee voting, although Georgia requires proof of identity for all absentee voting. According to Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger's office, voters without ID can use the last four digits of their social security number, a utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or another government document with their name and address on it.
Colorado relies on signature matching for absentee ballots other than those from first-time mail-in voters.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

All registered voters in Colorado receive ballots in the mail. They have had this policy for 8 years. Why did you leave that out?

[Strange Brew]

All registered voters in Colorado receive ballots in the mail. They have had this policy for 8 years. Why did you leave that out?

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure you have to show ID to register and the sigs have to match. Not a fan of it but you're right, it's primarily by mail.

[xuwillie]

Both Colorado and Georgia are very similar. The outrage over this is mind boggling

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Be honest, do you think it's easier to operate polling locations when 100% of registered voters received mail ballots? I would imagine lines at polling locations in Colorado are somewhat uncommon and manageable. Would it also surprise you that voter participation in 2020 was 85%.

Calling Colorado's voting laws worse than Georgia is being disingenuous. Georgia's turnout was around 69%. Three audits produced the same end results of their initial count. There were no irregularities. Three audits would have created some kind of variance.

Be honest, do you think Georgia's new laws will increase their participation to the level of Colorado or create a bigger gap?

Our goal should be 100% participation, but it's pretty clear to me how elections pan out when participation is high.

[Masterofreality]

It's been a while but I'm pretty sure you have to show ID to register and the sigs have to match. Not a fan of it but you're right, it's primarily by mail.

This is correct.
They just don’t mail out ballots to everyone. Why are you spreading misinformation AZ?
Very Jim Crow or Jim Eagle in Colorado.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Double post.

[Masterofreality]

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Calling Colorado's voting laws worse than Georgia is being disingenuous

Nobody said that. They are equivalent. Very Jim Crow of MLB to move to a state with an ID requirement.
MLB moving out of Georgia to an equivalent state is the point AZ. Keep up

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Colorado. Which has more restrictive voting laws than new Georgia!
Cancel culture at it’s best![/B]

You literally typed it out right here. Good lord it's on the same page. Also, below is straight from the Colorado SOS page. Just like I typed, all registered voters receive a ballot in the mail.

Q1. How do I receive my mail ballot?

A1. Every voter receives a mail ballot. The ballot will be sent to the mailing address you provided for your voter registration file. To check the address on file, or to make any changes to your voter registration visit www.GoVoteColorado.gov.

If you prefer to vote at the polls, you can vote in-person at a voter service and polling center. Please visit www.GoVoteColorado.gov to find your polling locations.

[bobbiemcgee]

Both Colorado and Georgia are very similar. The outrage over this is mind boggling

Nope. 94% of Coloradoans voted by mail or put it in a drop box. Piece of cake. 76.4 voted.

https://www.5280.com/2020/12/how-2020-has-affected-the-way-we-vote/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Nobody said that. They are equivalent. Very Jim Crow of MLB to move to a state with an ID requirement.
MLB moving out of Georgia to an equivalent state is the point AZ. Keep up

Colorado's 85% participation rate which was brought on by mailing a ballot to all registered voters is being praised. Your narrative works if you leave out key facts about what exactly is going on in Colorado. You are also leaving out the draconian measures the GQP can take in Georgia to take over local elections and giving someone water within 150 feet of a polling place.

The Great Compromise, people love to roll that phrase again. If I was in politics I would give in on voter ID for a national election holiday every two years and mail ballots to all registered voters. MOR you seem to love Colorado so why not?

Edit: 94% holy crap. That is nuts.

[Strange Brew]

Nope. 94% of Coloradoans voted by mail or put it in a drop box. Piece of cake. 76.4 voted.

https://www.5280.com/2020/12/how-2020-has-affected-the-way-we-vote/

Still need an ID to register.

[Xville]

Both Colorado and Georgia are very similar. The outrage over this is mind boggling

Yep 1000000+ And Even if they weren’t similar, the outrage is still stupid. if you have any outrage over this, you are making stereotypes about certain groups of people that are either too stupid, lazy or whatever else. Maybe all you outraged people need to look in the mirror and really think about what your problem with this legislation is and why.

[GoMuskies]

Biden says the Masters can stay in Georgia. Whew, I was worried.

[paulxu]

I wonder if Colorado has 5 hour waits to vote in some precincts?
Requires some study to limit the number of voting machines to make this happen.

[Masterofreality]

You literally typed it out right here. Good lord it's on the same page. Also, below is straight from the Colorado SOS page. Just like I typed, all registered voters receive a ballot in the mail.

Q1. How do I receive my mail ballot?

A1. Every voter receives a mail ballot. The ballot will be sent to the mailing address you provided for your voter registration file. To check the address on file, or to make any changes to your voter registration visit www.GoVoteColorado.gov.

If you prefer to vote at the polls, you can vote in-person at a voter service and polling center. Please visit www.GoVoteColorado.gov to find your polling locations.

17-19 days of early voting vs 15 in Colorado. Worse
Voter ID required in both states. Only difference is when. You don’t get a ballot in Colorado unless you show ID when you register.
So you actually have to register first with ID Equivalent

You are splitting hairs to get to a narrative. It absolutely does not justify moving the All Star game out of Georgia to Colorado.
Stupidest thing I have seen for a long time.

[Strange Brew]

Nope. 94% of Coloradoans voted by mail or put it in a drop box. Piece of cake. 76.4 voted.

https://www.5280.com/2020/12/how-2020-has-affected-the-way-we-vote/

Still requires and ID to register and a valid sig. Plus, early voting is not as long here as in GA.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Oh yeah, 16 vs. 6 or the number of forms of ID Colorado accepts vs. Georgia. Colorado is all kinds of stricter than Georgia.

[Xville]

Oh yeah, 16 vs. 6 or the number of forms of ID Colorado accepts vs. Georgia. Colorado is all kinds of stricter than Georgia.

Because 16 different options for Id is definitely necessary. Fake outrage over nothing.

[xuwillie]

Because 16 different options for Id is definitely necessary. Fake outrage over nothing.

Exactly. Like I said just stupid but this will sooner or later backfire on liberals.

[Muskie in dayton]

Why are you liberals so racist as to think black people are incapable of obtaining a form of ID?

[xu82]

Biden says the Masters can stay in Georgia. Whew, I was worried.

WOW! Dodged a bullet there! Those guys who can throw the greatest event in golf without worrying about having any advertisers were probably trembling in the boots!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

So the narrative was originally, Colorado is more strict and worse than Georgia when comparing voting laws but has now shifted to fake outrage and why do you need to offer as many as 16 forms of ID to register to vote.

Got it. I consider the goal posts officially moved after the Colorado is worse than Georgia narrative completely failed. I applaud the effort.

[xu82]

I admit I haven’t studied this, even living in Georgia. Voting is so damn easy, if you can’t hit that bar maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. We just mailed it in. How hard is that? No ID required (though I think that is reasonable). Just mailed it in. If you are incapable of a little planning, I don’t think you deserve to decide our future. Take your own water or pizza. I don’t like the idea of buying votes for treats. There is no reason to wait in lines regardless.

What am I missing that is so horrible? I’m honest, I’m apparently missing the point. Gov Kemp seems like a clown, but I don’t understand the hate on this. Help me understand the hate, please. My wife hates it, and she’s a smart lady, but she can’t tell me what is so awful about it.


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[xu82]

Why are you liberals so racist as to think black people are incapable of obtaining a form of ID?


Not going the race path, but the state of Georgia has said they will make ID free for everyone. That is NOT an impediment to voting if you want to vote.

[bjf123]

My wife hates it, and she’s a smart lady, but she can’t tell me what is so awful about it.

And therein lies the problem. Too many people are just parroting the Democrat’s talking points. They don’t know why it’s bad, but the Left and the media are saying it is, so it must be true.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[paulxu]

I admit I haven’t studied this, even living in Georgia. Voting is so damn easy, if you can’t hit that bar maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. We just mailed it in. How hard is that? No ID required (though I think that is reasonable). Just mailed it in. If you are incapable of a little planning, I don’t think you deserve to decide our future. Take your own water or pizza. I don’t like the idea of buying votes for treats. There is no reason to wait in lines regardless.

What am I missing that is so horrible? I’m honest, I’m apparently missing the point. Gov Kemp seems like a clown, but I don’t understand the hate on this. Help me understand the hate, please. My wife hates it, and she’s a smart lady, but she can’t tell me what is so awful about it.

I can't help you with your wife (!), but here's a couple of thoughts.
In some ways the new law helped voting: drop boxes in rural areas, studying and reacting to long waiting lines, an extra early voting day

In other ways it didn't help.
-Reduced drop box numbers in populous counties and put them inside the voting location, instead of outside.
-They were using signature match on mail in ballots...now you have to provide another form of ID with the ballot.
(If you had registered to vote with an ID, put your signature on file, it was matched to your mail in ballot. Now you'll have to send in another ID with the ballot. Unlike Colorado, who can apparently match signatures with no problem for all the people there who use mail in ballots successfully)
-Georgia's population has grown 25% in the last 20 years (8 to 10 million). The number of precincts to vote has been reduced by 10%; this may explain the very long wait lines in some areas to vote in person.
-Across the South, with the population steadily increasing in many states like Georgia, since the Supreme Court threw out pre-clearance of voting law changes, the number of polling places has been cut by 1,200.
-After standing in lines for hours on election day, if you were in line at 7 PM, you could still vote. The average wait time (after being in line for a long time) was 51 more minutes in black precincts...6 minutes in white precincts.

Maybe a good answer is to have a national holiday for voting like many countries do.

[Xville]

I can't help you with your wife (!), but here's a couple of thoughts.
In some ways the new law helped voting: drop boxes in rural areas, studying and reacting to long waiting lines, an extra early voting day

In other ways it didn't help.
-Reduced drop box numbers in populous counties and put them inside the voting location, instead of outside.
-They were using signature match on mail in ballots...now you have to provide another form of ID with the ballot.
(If you had registered to vote with an ID, put your signature on file, it was matched to your mail in ballot. Now you'll have to send in another ID with the ballot. Unlike Colorado, who can apparently match signatures with no problem for all the people there who use mail in ballots successfully)
-Georgia's population has grown 25% in the last 20 years (8 to 10 million). The number of precincts to vote has been reduced by 10%; this may explain the very long wait lines in some areas to vote in person.
-Across the South, with the population steadily increasing in many states like Georgia, since the Supreme Court threw out pre-clearance of voting law changes, the number of polling places has been cut by 1,200.
-After standing in lines for hours on election day, if you were in line at 7 PM, you could still vote. The average wait time (after being in line for a long time) was 51 more minutes in black precincts...6 minutes in white precincts.

Maybe a good answer is to have a national holiday for voting like many countries do.

Or just early vote or mail in vote or vote in any of the other numerous options that are available. Again, this is fake outrage just to rile up the liberal base, just like trump does/did on the other side to say that the other side is basically Satan coming back to earth. The media perpetuates the false narrative and most of the public falls for it.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Or just early vote or mail in vote or vote in any of the other numerous options that are available. Again, this is fake outrage just to rile up the liberal base, just like trump does/did on the other side to say that the other side is basically Satan coming back to earth. The media perpetuates the false narrative and most of the public falls for it.

So you are saying a state like Colorado that mails a ballot to all registered voters could be a good thing? Maybe a company who is allowed to make their own decisions like moving an All-Star game should bring light to this. Oh wait!

Ncaa threatened to move out of Indianapolis when they stupidly passed their “religious liberty” law. That didn’t go well for Indiana.

[Xville]

So you are saying a state like Colorado that mails a ballot to all registered voters could be a good thing? Maybe a company who is allowed to make their own decisions like moving an All-Star game should bring light to this. Oh wait!

Ncaa threatened to move out of Indianapolis when they stupidly passed their “religious liberty” law. That didn’t go well for Indiana.

Nothing of what I said has anything to do with Colorado. I’m saying that people like yourself have fake outrage over legislation that is essentially a nothing burger, or maybe that’s my white privilege talking. . If mlb wants to be all “woke,” grandstand, and screw an entire city of revenue that’s their prerogative.

Oh and of course you have a problem with people’s stances on religion that are different from your own...shocking. You are all for businesses making their own decisions right? Well, as long as their opinion shares yours. The left way.

[GoMuskies]

screw an entire city

A largely black, heavily Democrat city at that. In favor of a super white city. Well played MLB.

[xu82]

I can't help you with your wife (!), but here's a couple of thoughts.
In some ways the new law helped voting: drop boxes in rural areas, studying and reacting to long waiting lines, an extra early voting day

In other ways it didn't help.
-Reduced drop box numbers in populous counties and put them inside the voting location, instead of outside.
-They were using signature match on mail in ballots...now you have to provide another form of ID with the ballot.
(If you had registered to vote with an ID, put your signature on file, it was matched to your mail in ballot. Now you'll have to send in another ID with the ballot. Unlike Colorado, who can apparently match signatures with no problem for all the people there who use mail in ballots successfully)
-Georgia's population has grown 25% in the last 20 years (8 to 10 million). The number of precincts to vote has been reduced by 10%; this may explain the very long wait lines in some areas to vote in person.
-Across the South, with the population steadily increasing in many states like Georgia, since the Supreme Court threw out pre-clearance of voting law changes, the number of polling places has been cut by 1,200.
-After standing in lines for hours on election day, if you were in line at 7 PM, you could still vote. The average wait time (after being in line for a long time) was 51 more minutes in black precincts...6 minutes in white precincts.

Maybe a good answer is to have a national holiday for voting like many countries do.

Thank you for a mature, balanced and well thought out response. It seems there is some reason for concern. I still have to point out how ridiculously easy it was to mail in my ballot. If you really want to vote, it’s not hard. Maybe this tilts the battlefield a bit, but if you want to vote, it’s easy to do so.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I admit I haven’t studied this, even living in Georgia. Voting is so damn easy, if you can’t hit that bar maybe you shouldn’t be allowed to vote. We just mailed it in. How hard is that? No ID required (though I think that is reasonable). Just mailed it in. If you are incapable of a little planning, I don’t think you deserve to decide our future. Take your own water or pizza. I don’t like the idea of buying votes for treats. There is no reason to wait in lines regardless.

What am I missing that is so horrible? I’m honest, I’m apparently missing the point. Gov Kemp seems like a clown, but I don’t understand the hate on this. Help me understand the hate, please. My wife hates it, and she’s a smart lady, but she can’t tell me what is so awful about it.


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I guess my question is what was the point of changing anything? Why the need? Voter fraud is a non issue. It is so unbelievably miniscule there is no reason to eve waste time or energy discussing it.

And regardless of what you think of the new requirements, in terms of how easy you think they should be to meet, will the new law increase voting or decrease? (Decrease is the answer) Who will be voting less?

[paulxu]

You are correct, voter fraud is a non issue, and actual fraud minuscule.

The problem is that the former president spent 5 years telling his supporters that there was massive fraud, and he could only lose because of it.
He even convinced them they had to stop the steal, and they tried to by storming the Capitol.

Large percentages of Republican voters still believe it...there was fraud and that's why he lost...despite 50+ crazy court cases.

In February:
How many? Try 76% of self-identified Republicans in a new national Quinnipiac University poll. That's the number of Republicans who said they believe there was "widespread fraud in the 2020 election."

In April:
60% of Republicans instead believe Trump’s claims that Biden’s win was due to widespread voter fraud despite a lack of credible evidence.


So, some reality may be starting to set in.

It may even have cost them the Senate in Georgia, as some may have stayed home thinking there was fraud and their vote didn't matter.
Even though the Republicans in charge of voting in Georgia said (after 3 recounts) that there was no problem.

So, to answer your question...why change the laws at all?...it's (in my mind) a political play to that base in Georgia.
The Republican legislature and Governor in Georgia wanted to be seen as doing something...anything...to appease that base. Ergo the new laws.
Needed or not.

An added benefit might be the suppression of minority voting, which the state has an unfortunately long history of doing.

[Strange Brew]

I guess my question is what was the point of changing anything? Why the need? Voter fraud is a non issue. It is so unbelievably miniscule there is no reason to eve waste time or energy discussing it.

And regardless of what you think of the new requirements, in terms of how easy you think they should be to meet, will the new law increase voting or decrease? (Decrease is the answer) Who will be voting less?

Dead people.

[Masterofreality]

The definitive article on the idiocy of MLB moving the All Star game. #NailedIt

https://spectator.us/topic/major-league-baseball-mistake-colorado-georgia-voting/

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dead people.

Ha, probably. But that was never an issue anyway. Not to the extent of any time or energy being wasted on it.

[xu82]

I guess my question is what was the point of changing anything? Why the need? Voter fraud is a non issue. It is so unbelievably miniscule there is no reason to eve waste time or energy discussing it.

And regardless of what you think of the new requirements, in terms of how easy you think they should be to meet, will the new law increase voting or decrease? (Decrease is the answer) Who will be voting less?

Fair point. I want voting to be EASY and FAIR. It is not fair as currently designed. But it is EASY (whether you agree or not). It could not have been easier. Maybe education regarding the process needs to be better addressed. My goal is to let everyone vote if they want to vote with similar effort required. Some people don’t care to vote, and that is their right. I’m not trying to get everyone to vote, just to make it FAIR.

[noteggs]

-They were using signature match on mail in ballots...now you have to provide another form of ID with the ballot.
(If you had registered to vote with an ID, put your signature on file, it was matched to your mail in ballot. Now you'll have to send in another ID with the ballot. Unlike Colorado, who can apparently match signatures with no problem for all the people there who use mail in ballots successfully)


Honestly, don’t have a problem with either way. Some can argue it’s more suppressive to have someone subjectively reject (signature match) your ability to vote vs objectively checking matching numbers?

Regardless what we think of individual states voting laws today, hopefully we can agree they are not Jim Crow on steroids. Think that same person also said “if you don’t vote for me then you’re not black.” Now that sounds intimidating and suppressive.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Nothing of what I said has anything to do with Colorado. I’m saying that people like yourself have fake outrage over legislation that is essentially a nothing burger, or maybe that’s my white privilege talking. . If mlb wants to be all “woke,” grandstand, and screw an entire city of revenue that’s their prerogative.

Oh and of course you have a problem with people’s stances on religion that are different from your own...shocking. You are all for businesses making their own decisions right? Well, as long as their opinion shares yours. The left way.

Read Paul's post, it's a nothing burger to you. There are a lot of Georgians who this is not a nothing burger who just got this law shoved down their throats. The measures that allow the legislature to take over an election board should have been enough to get this voted down.