Politics Thread

[Masterofreality]

He'd have to bring in his tax returns to prove the reporting was bogus. So don't see that happening.

Per the report, Trump’s tax records reveal that he has failed to pay back a whopping $287 million to his lenders since 2010. So much for the record of the self-described “king of debt.”

And has he been cited, indicted, or even accused of any wrongdoing or crimes?
No. Restructuring debt is common in business. Done all the time. Have the lenders cut him off? Have they stopped doing business with Trumpworld? Nah.

And after you get all in a lather about Trump legally using the tax code to his advantage- a tax code that had provisions in it that were revised and signed into it by Obama, then were used by Trump in his tax returns- go take a look at Amazon, Jeff Bezos, and Google and note how they have avoided paying taxes.

Trump has real estate, that has absolutely legal provisions in the tax code for depreciation, interest expenses and loss carry forwards that are commonly used to reduce tax burden. Meanwhile, per the NY Times own story, Trump actually paid $1 million in 2016 and $4.2 million to the US Treasury in Income Taxes that he might owe, up front.

This Trump tax thing is just another shiny object to galvanize the resistance hate. Move on.

[bobbiemcgee]

funny math:
legal? Nope.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/09/key-takeaways-from-the-times-trump-tax-return-investigation.html

Show us the tax return!

[Masterofreality]

WTF are you talking about Bobby?

Forbes estimates that Trump has $6 billion in assets- and that is $3 billion less than Trump says he has because they won’t give him credit for any “Brand value” .
$6 Billion in assets. He has debt liability of $425 million.
Those numbers may be way out of your league to comprehend, but the dude ain’t declining or broke.
And has he been accused of Tax Fraud, or indicted for any financial crime? Uh, no. That story is full of speculation, hopes of some smoking gun (with no evidence of fraud) and “ifs” but zero in reality of proving illegality.
Try again, and you’ll fail again.

[paulxu]

Hey...it takes a great business man to bankrupt a casino. MAGA !

Edit: if he is such a great business man, why not release the tax returns that would prove it? What is he hiding if he's so smart?

[waggy]

Haha you dummies think Trump does his own 1040 schedule A? LOL. NOTHING to see here. And even if you saw it, you wouldn't understand it.

And weren't you guys crying about the same nonsense the last time he got elected? This time you got him!!

[bobbiemcgee]

WTF are you talking about Bobby?

Forbes estimates that Trump has $6 billion in assets- and that is $3 billion less than Trump says he has because they won’t give him credit for any “Brand value” .
$6 Billion in assets. He has debt liability of $425 million.
Those numbers may be way out of your league to comprehend, but the dude ain’t declining or broke.
And has he been accused of Tax Fraud, or indicted for any financial crime? Uh, no. That story is full of speculation, hopes of some smoking gun (with no evidence of fraud) and “ifs” but zero in reality of proving illegality.
Try again, and you’ll fail again.

Don, jr and eric said money "was pouring in from Russia" and eric "We got all the money we need from the Russians" How much of the 425 million? No wonder he is always kissing Putin's ass.

Get up to date on Forbes. They said he lost a billion in March.

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha you dummies think Trump does his own 1040 schedule A?

A monkey could have done it. What matters is who signs it. You need to bone up on the tax code.

[waggy]

A monkey could have done it. What matters is who signs it. You need to bone up on the tax code.


He probably e-files using the free IRS software, and uses a pin. No signature needed that way! You almost had him!

[JEHARDI]

WTF are you talking about Bobby?

Forbes estimates that Trump has $6 billion in assets- and that is $3 billion less than Trump says he has because they won’t give him credit for any “Brand value” .
$6 Billion in assets. He has debt liability of $425 million.
Those numbers may be way out of your league to comprehend, but the dude ain’t declining or broke.
And has he been accused of Tax Fraud, or indicted for any financial crime? Uh, no. That story is full of speculation, hopes of some smoking gun (with no evidence of fraud) and “ifs” but zero in reality of proving illegality.
Try again, and you’ll fail again.

He has not been paying federal taxes because at the same time he has been bragging about his properties he has been writing down the value of those assets.
Why would they give him credit for brand value when he is taking write offs.it is legal but based on your comments you do not understand what he is doing.

[paulxu]

Hah ! Grifters gonna grift.


ANC paid him $1 million in 2009, the same year Trump began a new venture in yet another multi-level marketing firm that was rebranded as “the Trump Network,” which marketed vitamins. Before the company went bankrupt, Trump reportedly made $2.6 million as he told potential clients that the Trump Network “wants to give millions of people renewed hope, and with an exciting plan to opt out of the recession” and convinced them to spend hundreds of dollars on starter kits to get their friends and family looped in.

What you do with your Trump University refund.

[xubrew]

I wish the media would quit asking Donald Trump whether or not he will accept the results of the election and commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses. I think this is more about the media hunting for a story, and it reinforces the idea that he actually has a choice.

"Coach, if you lose today's playoff game, will you accept the results and commit to peacefully exiting the playoffs or will you go ahead and play in the next round?"

"Sir, if your boss ends up firing you, will you accept the results of that termination, or will you stay in the building and continue working there anyway?"


Any scenario where anyone loses an election and then doesn't leave office is preposterous and outrageous. The person should be viewed as someone who's trespassing in a high security area, and should be dealt with accordingly. If you lose, you leave. You don't get a choice. If he or anyone else actually does try and refuse, then they should take their keys, change the locks, and have the secret service drag them out of the building and off to jail.

[bobbiemcgee]

I wish the media would quit asking Donald Trump whether or not he will accept the results of the election and commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses. I think this is more about the media hunting for a story, and it reinforces the idea that he actually has a choice.

"Coach, if you lose today's playoff game, will you accept the results and commit to peacefully exiting the playoffs or will you go ahead and play in the next round?"


Maybe the Coach should stop saying "Well, we're going to have to see what happens". I expect he will quietly leave and jump on the old trump airline plane and be off to Moscow.

[xubrew]

Maybe the Coach should stop saying "Well, we're going to have to see what happens". I expect he will quietly leave and jump on the old trump airline plane and be off to Moscow.

I do think there is a chance of him attempting to flee the country if he loses. I'm guessing/thinking that he won't, but I don't think it's entirely outside the realm of possibility either. Truth be told, I don't know how dirty or clean I think the guy actually is. I think he's entirely full of shit, but that in and of itself doesn't mean he will face prosecution. Still....A LOT of his former subordinates have, so....

[X-man]

I do think there is a chance of him attempting to flee the country if he loses. I'm guessing/thinking that he won't, but I don't think it's entirely outside the realm of possibility either. Truth be told, I don't know how dirty or clean I think the guy actually is. I think he's entirely full of shit, but that in and of itself doesn't mean he will face prosecution. Still....A LOT of his former subordinates have, so....

I am not a lawyer but unless you can legally value assets differently when you borrow money or when you compute your taxes, it seems to me that Trump had to have committed either tax fraud or bank fraud (or both). My guess is that the SDNY attorneys are beavering away at just this issue.

[X-band '01]

I wish the media would quit asking Donald Trump whether or not he will accept the results of the election and commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he loses. I think this is more about the media hunting for a story, and it reinforces the idea that he actually has a choice.

"Coach, if you lose today's playoff game, will you accept the results and commit to peacefully exiting the playoffs or will you go ahead and play in the next round?"

"Sir, if your boss ends up firing you, will you accept the results of that termination, or will you stay in the building and continue working there anyway?"


Any scenario where anyone loses an election and then doesn't leave office is preposterous and outrageous. The person should be viewed as someone who's trespassing in a high security area, and should be dealt with accordingly. If you lose, you leave. You don't get a choice. If he or anyone else actually does try and refuse, then they should take their keys, change the locks, and have the secret service drag them out of the building and off to jail.

To me, it's not a question of whether or not Trump accepts the results of the election - we know he will even though he loves to put on a defiant persona for the public.

It's a matter of whether or not half the country accepts a potential Trump victory or throws a tantrum and tries to burn down half the country.

[Xville]

To me, it's not a question of whether or not Trump accepts the results of the election - we know he will even though he loves to put on a defiant persona for the public.

It's a matter of whether or not half the country accepts a potential Trump victory or throws a tantrum and tries to burn down half the country.

Libs gonna lib

[xubrew]

Libs gonna lib

Yeah, and that probably ain't gonna change any time soon.

[GoMuskies]

For me, this is lucky page #777 of the thread. Spin the reels, then....and it comes up white supremacist for all of us!

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/09/29/author-apologizes-inside-higher-ed-article-he-recently-wrote-opinion

Next time a Xavier athlete puts his black body on the line for your enjoyment, don't you DARE cheer!

[xubrew]

The first debate is tonight. The inevitable result is that I'll watch it and then feel even worse about things than I do right now. I do wish that part of the format allowed the candidates to ask each other questions. These aren't really debates as much as they are a shared press conferences.

[STL_XUfan]

The first debate is tonight. The inevitable result is that I'll watch it and then feel even worse about things than I do right now. I do wish that part of the format allowed the candidates to ask each other questions. These aren't really debates as much as they are a shared press conferences.

My favorite is that no matter what question is asked, the person is free to answer whatever question they wanted asked. I bet we see exchanges like tonight:

"Q. How do you respond to the on going climate crisis:

A. Let me tell you tell you the real crisis is the one happening in the streets of Chicago"

"Q. Your health care plan is estimated to raise the deficit by billions, how will it be paid for

A. I met little Timmy on the campaign trail, and his father was just laid off by the bank and they cannot afford new crutches for the winter, plus they keep being visited ghosts. These are the things that will happen under my opponents plans."

That being said, copious amounts of bourbon makes it more fun.

[noteggs]

This bingo game might make it more palatable as well.

https://nypost.com/2020/09/29/the-posts-presidential-debate-bingo-cards-for-trump-biden-tonight/

[Xville]

For me, this is lucky page #777 of the thread. Spin the reels, then....and it comes up white supremacist for all of us!

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/09/29/author-apologizes-inside-higher-ed-article-he-recently-wrote-opinion

Next time a Xavier athlete puts his black body on the line for your enjoyment, don't you DARE cheer!

Geezus that was pathetic. He might as well just pull his pants down and ask for 10 spanks as well. What a groveling piece of junk.

[X-man]

To me, it's not a question of whether or not Trump accepts the results of the election - we know he will even though he loves to put on a defiant persona for the public.

It's a matter of whether or not half the country accepts a potential Biden victory or throws a tantrum and tries to burn down half the country.

Fixed that for you.

And that is precisely the reason why Trump's little "game" is so potentially destructive to our democracy. At least Republican leadership is (sort of) repudiating Trump's lunatic ravings on the matter.

[Smails]

Fixed that for you.

And that is precisely the reason why Trump's little "game" is so potentially destructive to our democracy. At least Republican leadership is (sort of) repudiating Trump's lunatic ravings on the matter.

The problem is that there is actual precedent for one half of the country not accepting the results of an election and spending the next 4 years in a giant, whiny, hissy fit. See 2016-present. If Republicans want the playbook on not accepting a duly elected POTUS they'll need to look no further than the recent past. Remember those hilarious PSA's that the left put together using celebrities to urge the state electors not to certify?

I pray that if Trump loses, that republicans don't spend the next 4 years doing sophomoric shit like that. The left had a great chance to push through meaningful legislation over the past several years and they wasted it because they were butthurt over an election they thought they had in the bag.

[xubrew]

The problem is that there is actual precedent for one half of the country not accepting the results of an election and spending the next 4 years in a giant, whiny, hissy fit. See 2016-present. If Republicans want the playbook on not accepting a duly elected POTUS they'll need to look no further than the recent past. Remember those hilarious PSA's that the left put together using celebrities to urge the state electors not to certify?

I pray that if Trump loses, that republicans don't spend the next 4 years doing sophomoric shit like that. The left had a great chance to push through meaningful legislation over the past several years and they wasted it because they were butthurt over an election they thought they had in the bag.

I agree with the first paragraph. It was ridiculous, but the candidates weren't really leading the charge or stoking the fire.

What "great chance" did the Left have to push through meaningful legislation? At last count there were over 400 pieces of legislation that the house did pass, but that the senate never voted on. As angry as everyone is over the Supreme Court nominee, it wasn't that. It was literally everything. It was made clear to the Left that, in fact, they had no chance to pass anything, or debate anything, or compromise on anything. They just weren't going to call it for a vote at all, and if you don't like it then tough shit.

So, to repeat what I said earlier, if Biden wins and the Dems get control of the senate either now or two years from now, then don't be surprised if they go absolutely nuclear.

[paulxu]

That being said, copious amounts of bourbon makes it more fun.

That's true about most anything.

[X Factor]

For me, this is lucky page #777 of the thread. Spin the reels, then....and it comes up white supremacist for all of us!

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2020/09/29/author-apologizes-inside-higher-ed-article-he-recently-wrote-opinion

Next time a Xavier athlete puts his black body on the line for your enjoyment, don't you DARE cheer!

Was that guy serious?

[bjf123]

My favorite is that no matter what question is asked, the person is free to answer whatever question they wanted asked. ...

I want to be the moderator at one of the debates, but with a button hooked to a horn like you have at NHL games when a goal is scored. When the candidate strays from the specific question or topic, the horn would sound and they’d have to get back on topic. They’d be deaf in the first 10 minutes.


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[X-band '01]

You need the buzzer from Family Feud to do that.

[bobbiemcgee]

I would prefer the drop chute from the Degeneres games.

[xubrew]

This is horrible. I knew it was gonna be bad, but this is even worse than I thought it’d be. I hope the rest of the world is enjoying our fucking clown show. How do they like seeing our asses?

[Xville]

27 minutes in and I dont think either of them have said one thing that is true yet.

[xavierj]

Will Kanye be the next president? Wow this is bad.

[xubrew]

How about we try going four years without a president?

[xubrew]

I’ve decided who I’m gonna vote for! Chris Wallace!

[GoMuskies]

Jo Jorgensen

[xubrew]

Taxes = emails. I don’t care. It’s not important.

[xu82]

This is horrible. I knew it was gonna be bad, but this is even worse than I thought it’d be. I hope the rest of the world is enjoying our fucking clown show. How do they like seeing our asses?

This is like the ESPN crap where people all shout all over each other. There is a reason I no longer watch that shit. I suggest they each get two minutes to speak, and if the other guy speaks during your time a sniper takes him out. OK, at the very least they lose a minute of time.......

[GoMuskies]

President Trump = Steven A Smith

Not sure which of the two of them would hate that comparison more.

[Muskie in dayton]

Can we move the debate discussion under the “whiney little bitch” thread?

[noteggs]

Don’t know what to say. Trump was unprepared to debate and was an ass. Biden tried to debate but was incoherent. Wallace tried.

[xuwillie]

Don’t think I’ll vote this year if that’s the best we can do. That was awful

[xubrew]

Don’t know what to say. Trump was unprepared to debate and was an ass. Biden tried to debate but was incoherent. Wallace tried.

That’s a pretty accurate summary.

That was stunningly awful. It was so much worse than the level of bad I thought it would be. Anyone who feels good about any of that is part of the problem. Of all the shit that is wrong right now, that was a disgrace. It really was.

[paulxu]

Pulitzer Prize winning presidential historian Jon Meachum weighs in on tonight's show:


No hyperbole: The incumbent’s behavior this evening is the lowest moment in the history of the presidency since Andrew Johnson’s racist state papers.
10:13 PM · Sep 29, 2020

[bobbiemcgee]

Train Wreck. Do we need two more of these?

[X-band '01]

So tell me again why Justin Amash decided not to run as a Libertarian?

[Muskie in dayton]

So tell me again why Justin Amash decided not to run as a Libertarian?
Sheesh no kidding. That crossed my mind a dozen times tonight. Left me choosing between Trump and cop killers.

[xu82]

Train Wreck. Do we need two more of these?

We need a shock collar for anyone who speaks outside of their two minutes. Make a peep? ZAP your ass!!! That format absolutely sucks.

[xavierj]

This is what I learned last night. Biden is running on the idea that Trump is a clown, Trump is racist, teachers make less than $750 a year, and Trump is the reason COVID is so bad. Trump is trying to beat Biden because he is believes Biden is dumb, Bidens son took a lot of money from the Ukraine and Russia, Biden wants to bow down to China, Biden hates Law enforcement and I don’t know because he wouldn’t shut up. Neither candidate was prepared for the debate and we are all screwed. Still have no idea what either candidates plans really are to improve the country. It was like a high school argument at the lunch table. Both candidates are in their 70’s and have the maturity of a 10 year old. I should have cashed out my investments yesterday because the stock market will tumble hard today. Is it too late to find another candidate fit to run the country? Maybe we should defund the presidency.

[X-band '01]

Trump already defunded his presidency, unfortunately.

[bleedXblue]

I don't like Trump at all but agree with most of his policies and positions. Biden is career politician who has little offer other than he't not Trump. I too am conflicted and really surprised that these are our two best options to lead our country. Shame on both parties. I do look forward to 2024 when I think the Republican party has some really solid choices that are emerging as the future of the party. I'd like to see the same from the Democrat ticket with some more moderate liberals. All of their youth seems to lean very, very left.

[Xville]

I wasnt going to vote before that debate and I sure as hell wont be voting after. Can we start this election cycle over and come up with two better candidates? And I'm not talking extreme left or right...just some normal moderates with actual ideas and policies.

[JTG]

You should still vote. Don't come on here and bitch later if you don't vote.

[Muskie in dayton]

I no longer care who wins the election, since after his performance last night, it’s clear that Trump doesn’t care either.

[chico]

Presidential debate - two words I would not use to describe what I saw last night.

[GoMuskies]

If all you Dems had simply joined me on Team #YangGang, we wouldn't be in this mess.

[Xville]

You should still vote. Don't come on here and bitch later if you don't vote.

I can't in good faith vote for either of these clowns and I'm done for voting for the lesser of two evils, and out of these two buffoons, I dont even know who that is.

[xubrew]

If all you Dems had simply joined me on Team #YangGang, we wouldn't be in this mess.

I would so vote for Yang right now. Granted, the list of people I would vote for over these two is a very long list, and both the VP and the VP candidate are on it. The janitors who work in my office are also on that list.

It's the next morning, and I'm still dumbfounded. In the grand scheme of things it probably isn't THAT big of a deal, but that was extremely concerning. It's embarrassing, but that isn't even the worst part. I've been getting embarrassed my whole life and am pretty used to it by now. It's VERY concerning that one of these guys is the leader, and the other one may end up being the leader. We have all failed.

[xubrew]

I can't in good faith vote for either of these clowns and I'm done for voting for the lesser of two evils, and out of these two buffoons, I dont even know who that is.

You know what? I don't think that's the wrong approach. Not voting or abstaining is actually voting in a way. It's saying that you have standards. If you want my vote, then do better. Voting isn't a civic duty. It's a right. You don't have to own a gun, but you can if you want to. You don't have to vote either. Maybe the answer is more people not voting and instead saying "I'll vote when we get someone that's better than you two."

[GoMuskies]

I should have cashed out my investments yesterday because the stock market will tumble hard today.

Well, you got another shot to cash out, as the market is flying today because....who fucking knows why.

[xavierj]

Well, you got another shot to cash out, as the market is flying today because....who fucking knows why.

I see that. Crazy. Maybe it doesn’t matter who the freaking president is.

[xubrew]

Taxes = emails. I don’t care. It’s not important.

I still don't care that much about his taxes. I haven't looked at them and wouldn't understand them if I did. But, someone told me that he wrote off $70,000 for haircuts. HAIRCUTS!!?? Is that true?? It's pretty obvious that he doesn't even have any actual hair. Now THIS may be worth looking into!!

[GoMuskies]

Yes, the person who charged him $70,000 for haircuts should be arrested for grand larceny post haste!

[Masterofreality]

If all you Dems had simply joined me on Team #YangGang, we wouldn't be in this mess.

Hey!! I really liked Andrew Yang. The dude is an outsider with ideas. But, man. Was he cashiered early.
The Dems have no clue.

[Masterofreality]

Jo Jorgensen

Libertarian Queen!!!

At this point, I really don't care who is President, but PLEASE. Do not let the House AND Senate fall into the hands of Democrats.
That's when the shit really would hit the fan. #MoveNow

[xubrew]

Libertarian Queen!!!

At this point, I really don't care who is President, but PLEASE. Do not let the House AND Senate fall into the hands of Democrats.
That's when the shit really would hit the fan. #MoveNow

It could happen. If not now, then two years from now.

This is easier said than done, or more easily assessed than solved, or however you want to say it, but....

It is a fundamental problem if our system will either not work at all because the two parties use their power to obstruct each other, or will make half the country feel like they are not represented because one party has control of the presidency, house, and senate and just passes whatever they want without any checks, or compromises, or discussions with the other side. That's what it feels like we've had since at least 2014 and perhaps even longer.

And yes, there is a chance that either this election or at the midterms that it swings entirely back the other way. The Dems will have complete control, and the GOP will be made to feel like nothing they say or do matters while having their noses rubbed in it. That's not good. For anyone. It really isn't.

[X-man]

The problem is that there is actual precedent for one half of the country not accepting the results of an election and spending the next 4 years in a giant, whiny, hissy fit. See 2016-present. If Republicans want the playbook on not accepting a duly elected POTUS they'll need to look no further than the recent past. Remember those hilarious PSA's that the left put together using celebrities to urge the state electors not to certify?

I pray that if Trump loses, that republicans don't spend the next 4 years doing sophomoric shit like that. The left had a great chance to push through meaningful legislation over the past several years and they wasted it because they were butthurt over an election they thought they had in the bag.

Did you find this on QAnon? All the Democrats did, that I'm aware of, is claim that Clinton won the popular vote. The fact that they accepted the Electoral College win for Trump is best evidenced by the fact that many Democrats are calling for a change in the Electoral College system.

[Xville]

Did you find this on QAnon? All the Democrats did, that I'm aware of, is claim that Clinton won the popular vote. The fact that they accepted the Electoral College win for Trump is best evidenced by the fact that many Democrats are calling for a change in the Electoral College system.

denial of the century.....just turn on the tv, open up any newspaper, or (I wouldn't advise it but) go to social media and look up a dems profile any day of the week.

[xu82]

While we may be appalled, the late night comedy guys are drooling! This is just TOO EASY for them!

[X-man]

denial of the century.....just turn on the tv, open up any newspaper, or (I wouldn't advise it but) go to social media and look up a dems profile any day of the week.

Examples, please. I read 3-4 papers a day, view multiple sites (including Fox), and have seen nothing of what you claim. Now I do not read social media, but I wouldn't trust anything there anyway.

[Xville]

Examples, please. I read 3-4 papers a day, view multiple sites (including Fox), and have seen nothing of what you claim. Now I do not read social media, but I wouldn't trust anything there anyway.

If you are going to be that dense about this, why would I bother?

[Smails]

Did you find this on QAnon? All the Democrats did, that I'm aware of, is claim that Clinton won the popular vote. The fact that they accepted the Electoral College win for Trump is best evidenced by the fact that many Democrats are calling for a change in the Electoral College system.

My god..do you live under a rock? The google is your friend..

[GoMuskies]

I know that Madonna never threatened to blow up the White House and the Gary Griffin's sister never play-acted decapitating the President.

"Resist" and make yourselves ungovernable is definitely a stance of people who accepted the results of the election.

[xubrew]

denial of the century.....just turn on the tv, open up any newspaper, or (I wouldn't advise it but) go to social media and look up a dems profile any day of the week.


Examples, please. I read 3-4 papers a day, view multiple sites (including Fox), and have seen nothing of what you claim. Now I do not read social media, but I wouldn't trust anything there anyway.


If you are going to be that dense about this, why would I bother?

I believe you're both talking about two different things. The Democrat voters totally flipped their shit, but the Democratic candidates and officers still accepted the results...at least in the sense that they conceded, or didn't say they would refuse to leave office, or challenge the results in court, or anything like that.

Now, I understand that is an EXTREMELY low bar. If you lose then you really don't have a choice, so it's kind of silly to give someone credit for doing something when they had no other choice other than to do what they did. But, for what it's worth, no Democrat candidate or officer tried to actually defy the results of the elections.

[Smails]

. But, for what it's worth, no Democrat candidate or officer tried to actually defy the results of the elections.

Totally agree with that...but they did start planning impeachment before he was even sworn in. Several democratic lawmakers were on that train long before articles were close to being filed. So while they didn't defy the results, they certainly went directly to the path of trying to get him out of office. We had members of Congress literally telling their base to confront and harass members of his cabinet.

"Impeachment is not good enough for Trump. He needs to be imprisoned & placed in solitary confinement."
"But for now, impeachment is the imperative," - Maxine Waters

[xubrew]

Impeachment was stupid. It wasn't an impeachable offense, and it had no chance of working even if it was. It was another example of how everything is now adversarial and partisan, which is unsettling.

[X-man]

If you are going to be that dense about this, why would I bother?

Uh, because you are the one making this claim...along with accusing people who don't agree with you as being dense.

[X-man]

I know that Madonna never threatened to blow up the White House and the Gary Griffin's sister never play-acted decapitating the President.

"Resist" and make yourselves ungovernable is definitely a stance of people who accepted the results of the election.

If that's your "evidence" of Democrats refusing to accept the fact that Trump was elected in 2016, you've got nothing.

[X-man]

My god..do you live under a rock? The google is your friend..

Read a bit more carefully and you will discover that I read 4 papers daily, plus a number of news sites including Fox. And there is no evidence that I have seen that suggests that Democrats claim that Trump's win was illegitimate. Dumb, yes. Tragic, yes. But not corrupt, fake, or illegitimate. So again, I ask for evidence of this claim.

[X-man]

I believe you're both talking about two different things. The Democrat voters totally flipped their shit, but the Democratic candidates and officers still accepted the results...at least in the sense that they conceded, or didn't say they would refuse to leave office, or challenge the results in court, or anything like that.

Now, I understand that is an EXTREMELY low bar. If you lose then you really don't have a choice, so it's kind of silly to give someone credit for doing something when they had no other choice other than to do what they did. But, for what it's worth, no Democrat candidate or officer tried to actually defy the results of the elections.

A bar that Trump daily challenges.

[Xville]

I believe you're both talking about two different things. The Democrat voters totally flipped their shit, but the Democratic candidates and officers still accepted the results...at least in the sense that they conceded, or didn't say they would refuse to leave office, or challenge the results in court, or anything like that.

Now, I understand that is an EXTREMELY low bar. If you lose then you really don't have a choice, so it's kind of silly to give someone credit for doing something when they had no other choice other than to do what they did. But, for what it's worth, no Democrat candidate or officer tried to actually defy the results of the elections.

True I'll roll with that. Illegitimate? No...whiny bitching tantrums like ny four year olds with sham impeachment proceedings for 3 and a half years? You bet.

[Smails]

True I'll roll with that. Illegitimate? No...whiny bitching tantrums like ny four year olds with sham impeachment proceedings for 3 and a half years? You bet.

This..in spades

[xubrew]

The rules on the debates are going to change. And, quite frankly, they need to...

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-54366618

The first debate really was a bad look for our country. I don't know if it was anything more than that, but it was at least that. I'm now starting to wonder if we should even have debates. Candidates are judged entirely for their charisma and practically not at all for their expertise. The fact of the matter is that experts aren't always charismatic, and vice versa, so maybe we shouldn't even have the debates at all if this is what we're going to get.

[xubrew]

You know, it really is a valid question. Where is the river? Even people who are voting for Trump know that he’s a pathological liar, right?

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1311718593952845824?s=21

[xuwillie]

Oh agree, I think trump lies but I also think most politicians lie their asses off. Can you imagine how many times Biden has lied over his political career?! 47 years is a long time to be a politician.

[JTG]

There's an old adage about politicians, " If their lips are moving, they're lying"

[X Factor]

CNN might as well be on Biden's payroll. They're not even trying to be honest in their reporting and "fact checking".

CNN Lies in Fact Check About Biden Calling Trump’s China Ban ‘Xenophobic’

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/2020/10/01/cnn-lies-fact-check-biden-calling-trumps-china-ban-xenophobic/

[noteggs]

After a quick search, I found the former candidate, a former President, and the late civil rights icon call Trump’s election illegitimate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/737008785/jimmy-carter-says-he-sees-trump-as-an-illegitimate-president

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/meet-the-press-70-years/john-lewis-trump-won-t-be-legitimate-president-n706676

Unfortunately, part of the political premise of the Trump/Russia investigation was to delegitimize the election and not accept the results. Sure did work because there are Democrats and people on this board who still think he personally colluded with the Russians which caused Hillary the election. Hence - illegitimate.

[Xville]

After a quick search, I found the former candidate, a former President, and the late civil rights icon call Trump’s election illegitimate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQesfLIycJw

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/28/737008785/jimmy-carter-says-he-sees-trump-as-an-illegitimate-president

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/meet-the-press-70-years/john-lewis-trump-won-t-be-legitimate-president-n706676

Unfortunately, part of the political premise of the Trump/Russia investigation was to delegitimize the election and not accept the results. Sure did work because there are Democrats and people on this board who still think he personally colluded with the Russians which caused Hillary the election. Hence - illegitimate.

Interesting...I'm sure x man still wont believe it though

[bobbiemcgee]

Do you support the proud boys like trump?

[X-band '01]

Marge Schott once said they were good in the beginning.

[X Factor]

Do you support the proud boys like trump?

The media repeats the same lies over and over and over again so people like you will start to believe everything they say.

Their international chairman is Enrique Tarrio, a BLACK man.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/wilfred-reilly-insists-proud-boys-arent-white-supr/


...not everybody believes the Proud Boys are white supremacists, including a prominent Black professor at a historically Black university.

Wilfred Reilly, associate professor of political science at Kentucky State University, said Wednesday that “the Proud Boys aren’t white supremacists,” describing the right-wing group’s beliefs as “Western chauvinist” and noting that their international chairman, Enrique Tarrio, is Black.

“Gotta say: the Proud Boys aren’t white supremacists,” tweeted Mr. Reilly, author of “Hate Crime Hoax.”


Mr. Reilly said that about 10% to 20% of Proud Boys activists are people of color, a diverse racial composition that is “extremely well-known in law enforcement,” based on his research.

“Enrique Tarrio, their overall leader, is a Black Cuban dude. The Proud Boys explicitly say they’re not racist,” Mr. Reilly told The Washington Times. “They are an openly right-leaning group and they’ll openly fight you — they don’t deny any of this — but saying they’re White supremacist: If you’re talking about a group of people more than 10% people of color and headed by an Afro-Latino guy, that doesn’t make sense.”

I'm not saying I support them because I honestly don't know much about them, but I can't find anything that they've done or said that would make me think they're a bunch of white supremacists. Like the Black professor said, it doesn't make sense, but I'll do some research and see what I can find.

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe this will help you:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

[tacopizza885]

Wow!! (https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-donald-trump-health-archive-hope-hicks-7fece2838ff7a9bd91ccf5ac287348b3)

I really don't like the guy, but I wish the best (if true). How is this going to affect the campaign, future debates, rallies, etc? Any thoughts?

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe wear a mask?

[bobbiemcgee]

trump and melania have covid.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe wear a mask?

Now he should wear a mask. Wearing a mask before wouldn't have kept him from getting it.

[tacopizza885]

trump and melania have covid.

Not confirmed.

As far as wearing masks, might be a tough argument.

https://youtu.be/8zpGbQOEZI0

You asked about the Proud Boys earlier. Started by a punk rocker named Gavin McInnes:

Antifa is a dangerous organization. (https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1303412961881387008?s=20)

It could get ugly folks.

[GoMuskies]

Good point, Trump isnt a very reliable source!

[tacopizza885]

Good point, Trump isnt a very reliable source!

20 - 40 minutes ago.... did not catch it on the multiple news sources. Was watching Yanni videos. Reps to you for calling me out! :)

[xubrew]

We are waking up in a country where a lot of people seem happy that someone is sick. I just don’t feel too good about that. A lot of things have to be wrong with a lot of things for things to end up like this.

[STL_XUfan]

We are waking up in a country where a lot of people seem happy that someone is sick. I just don’t feel too good about that. A lot of things have to be wrong with a lot of things for things to end up like this.
You are able to hold two thoughts in your head at the same time. You can hope that he recovers safely while at the same time pissed as hell that he has been openly ignoring the advice of his own COVID task force and putting countless numbers of other people at risk.

[Lloyd Braun]

Now he should wear a mask. Wearing a mask before wouldn't have kept him from getting it.

What about Hope Hicks? Think he has a masking policy on AF1?

[paulxu]

Now he should wear a mask. Wearing a mask before wouldn't have kept him from getting it.

But if people around him had been wearing masks, perhaps Hope Hicks, maybe he wouldn't have got it.

[bobbiemcgee]

"rounding the corner"

[Masterofreality]

Maybe this will help you:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys

If you believe everything you read on Wikipedia, you are a bigger fool than I thought you were Bobby. And that was already pretty big.

[X-band '01]

We are waking up in a country where a lot of people seem happy that someone is sick. I just don’t feel too good about that. A lot of things have to be wrong with a lot of things for things to end up like this.

That, and in some corners, immediately speculate that Trump and his wife are faking this.

[xu82]

That, and in some corners, immediately speculate that Trump and his wife are faking this.

I had not thought of that, of course. I almost hate to watch the news these days, but like a car wreck it’s hard not to look. What a mess we are! I wonder what it would take to get some reasonable, competent people as candidates?

[bobbiemcgee]

Headed to Walter Reed.

[bobbiemcgee]

If you believe everything you read on Wikipedia, you are a bigger fool than I thought you were Bobby. And that was already pretty big.

If you have a better explanation, MOR, please post it here instead of your usual name-calling.

[Xville]

If you have a better explanation, MOR, please post it here instead of your usual name-calling.

Maybe heed your own advice and take a look at a better explanation in post 7842 than your junk. At this point, you are nothing more than a troll on this thread.

[STL_XUfan]

If you have a better explanation, MOR, please post it here instead of your usual name-calling.
This American Life did an episode on them a few years back that was pretty interesting:

https://www.thisamericanlife.org/626/transcript

[noteggs]

I’ve officially learned more about Proud Boys then Hunter’s involvement in Ukraine. Would like to know about both.

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe heed your own advice and take a look at a better explanation in post 7842 than your junk. At this point, you are nothing more than a troll on this thread.

Why is it a better explanation Cuz you posted it? BS, see post 7862

[Xville]

Why is it a better explanation Cuz you posted it? BS, see post 7862

First, I didnt post it.

Second, because it is an actual explanation, not wikipedia.

I really hope that at this point, you are just trolling.

[bobbiemcgee]

First, I didnt post it.

Second, because it is an actual explanation, not wikipedia.


Washington Times? Really?

Created by a Moonie - bwahahaha

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-times-bias

drop a few bucks in their bucket next time you're in the airport.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/01/proud-boys-white-supremacist-group-law-enforcement-agencies

[paulxu]

Whoa...this Guilfoyle lady seems to have been interesting:


among other things, she said that she was frequently required to work at Guilfoyle’s New York apartment while the Fox host displayed herself naked, and was shown photographs of the genitalia of men with whom Guilfoyle had had sexual relations. The draft complaint also alleged that Guilfoyle spoke incessantly and luridly about her sex life, and on one occasion demanded a massage of her bare thighs; other times, she said, Guilfoyle told her to submit to a Fox employee’s demands for sexual favors, encouraged her to sleep with wealthy and powerful men, asked her to critique her naked body, demanded that she share a room with her on business trips, required her to sleep over at her apartment, and exposed herself to her, making her feel deeply uncomfortable.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/03/new-details-kimberly-guilfoyles-time-fox-news-are-horrific/

[94GRAD]

Whoa...this Guilfoyle lady seems to have been interesting:



https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/10/03/new-details-kimberly-guilfoyles-time-fox-news-are-horrific/

I'm interested! ;)

[Masterofreality]

At this point the Washington Times is more reliable than the Washington Bezos Post. You know, Bezos' Amazon that paid less in taxes in 2018 than Trump? #Zero In fact, received a $129 million rebate!

How come no one is clamoring to see his tax returns?

[X Factor]

Video shows Tacoma teacher scold 10-year-old for admiring Trump

Lol, 10 year old student triggers his teacher...tell me, who's the adult again? The tolerant left strikes again.

https://mynorthwest.com/2203336/rantz-seattle-teacher-scolds-student-trump/

[paulxu]

At this point the Washington Times is more reliable than the Washington Bezos Post. You know, Bezos' Amazon that paid less in taxes in 2018 than Trump? #Zero In fact, received a $129 million rebate!

How come no one is clamoring to see his tax returns?

Well, that's his company taxes. Chicken feed as to the rebates to the oil/gas industries through the years.
As to his personal taxes, he's not running for president..so he can't harm the country from the oval office if he's compromised by his finances.
That's why candidates, of course not Trump, release their returns.

[STL_XUfan]

At this point the Washington Times is more reliable than the Washington Bezos Post. You know, Bezos' Amazon that paid less in taxes in 2018 than Trump? #Zero In fact, received a $129 million rebate!

How come no one is clamoring to see his tax returns?

I wonder what the impact would be if we had a policy like Finland where everyone's tax returns are public. Not necessarily for it, but it would be interesting (one podcast I listened to suggested the trade off being that you can see everyone's tax returns, but they get notified when you look. So if you want to see what your neighbor makes, you can but they will know you are snooping).

[paulxu]

Brief update:
Amazon got credit in 2018:

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/15/amazon-will-pay-0-in-federal-taxes-this-year.html

Amazon paid $162 million last year:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/04/amazon-had-to-pay-federal-income-taxes-for-the-first-time-since-2016.html

[GoMuskies]

So in two years the most valuable company in the world which is headquartered in the US paid net $33 million in federal income tax? Doesn't bother me, but I certainly wouldn't use that as an argument that Amazon is paying much in the way of income taxes. I took a quick gander at the 10-K after MOR's post, and it looked like they paid quite a bit in tax....to foreign governments.

[paulxu]

I think they went a couple years with zero/refund. In the years just before that they paid a billion+.
Also it seems Trump helped Amazon out for a couple years:


One reason for Amazon’s nonexistent federal tax bill is the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act that Congress enacted in 2017, which lowered the statutory corporate tax rate from 35 percent to 21 percent. In addition to the lower tax rates for corporations, the new tax law also “failed to ... close a slew of tax loopholes that allow profitable companies to routinely avoid paying federal and state income taxes on almost half of their profits,” ITEP senior fellow Matthew Gardner wrote in a report on Wednesday.

[GoMuskies]

I'm 100% on the Tax Cut and Jobs Act. It was well overdue (and certain to be scrapped shortly).

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, that's his company taxes. Chicken feed as to the rebates to the oil/gas industries through the years.
As to his personal taxes, he's not running for president..so he can't harm the country from the oval office if he's compromised by his finances.
That's why candidates, of course not Trump, release their returns.

No fan of Bezos, but he sold 3.5 billion of stock just in March, so I would assume he has to pay the capital gains on it.

[xubrew]

Trump got sick, and the left lunatic fringe was happy.

Trump is now leaving the hospital saying and saying he's feeling much better and that COVID is not a big deal. The right lunatic fringe is happy because he beat it with his super human genes, and the left lunatic fringe is now even more outraged than we were before.

This furthers my theory that this country has been overrun by morons. Trump gets a virus that has a full recovery rate of about 99% and the people who don't like him got really excited. He gets over it, brags about it, and his supporters think he accomplished something that was utterly superhuman. The war is over. The morons won.

[GoMuskies]

I think recovery rate is only about 95% for 70+ year-old fat asses.

[noteggs]

Speaking of which, the one concerns me the most is Chris Christie. Add on the fact he has asthma.

[X Factor]

Trump got sick, and the left lunatic fringe was happy.

Trump is now leaving the hospital saying and saying he's feeling much better and that COVID is not a big deal. The right lunatic fringe is happy because he beat it with his super human genes, and the left lunatic fringe is now even more outraged than we were before.

This furthers my theory that this country has been overrun by morons. Trump gets a virus that has a full recovery rate of about 99% and the people who don't like him got really excited. He gets over it, brags about it, and his supporters think he accomplished something that was utterly superhuman. The war is over. The morons won.

And Jake Tapper is on CNN crying..."there are children who don't have parents now because of this virus." Please...if you're a parent under 50, the death rate for this virus is about the same as dying from a bee sting or falling off a ladder.

[paulxu]

I sure hope all the people that work in the White House are under 50, since a person who has definitely tested positive decided to take his mask off last night and go spread it around some more.

[xubrew]

Someone please send one to Bobbie!!

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/519745-white-house-gift-shop-selling-trump-defeats-covid-commemorative

[bobbiemcgee]

Someone please send one to Bobbie!!

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/519745-white-house-gift-shop-selling-trump-defeats-covid-commemorative

I would gladly accept all donations and sell them on ebay for a a buck or two. Maybe we can get one of him spewing the virus all over the WH and donate the proceeds to the infected families.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Donald-Trump-2020-Keep-America-Great-45th-Presidential-Seal-Gold-Challenge-Coin/313241060947?hash=item48ee9f4653:g:CesAAOSwMltfdhr D

[STL_XUfan]

I would gladly accept all donations and sell them on ebay for a a buck or two. Maybe we can get one of him spewing the virus all over the WH and donate the proceeds to the infected families.

"If you order now, the President will personally cough on each commemorative coin!"

[X-band '01]

"If you order now, the President will personally cough on each commemorative coin!"

And if you call now in the next 10 minutes, we'll give you 2 coins for the price of 1!

[noteggs]

I’m going to need a letter of authenticity if that’s going to be the case.

[GoMuskies]

Covid is apparently a mental illness, because this Trump tweet on no stimulus until after the election is certifiably crazy. Prior to that, I'd never been convinced of the need to invoke the 25th Amendment. Well, I think it may be time for Pence to take over for a spell.

[paulxu]

Unintended consequences: we should never have to listen to the BS about the "war on Christmas" any more.

Thank you Melania.

[STL_XUfan]

Covid is apparently a mental illness, because this Trump tweet on no stimulus until after the election is certifiably crazy. Prior to that, I'd never been convinced of the need to invoke the 25th Amendment. Well, I think it may be time for Pence to take over for a spell.

Seems like coming out as pro-pandemic and anti-stimulus in a 24 hour period maybe isn’t the greatest political strategy.

[paulxu]

Marathon Petroleum expects to cash in an extra $411 million in tax refunds this year

Amazon needs to step up its game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/06/cares-act-money-companies/

[Muskie in dayton]

Amazon needs to step up its game.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/10/06/cares-act-money-companies/
That CARES act is the biggest piece of legislative garbage in history. Makes Obama’s stimulus package look fiscally responsible. And some people think we need more of this? How about instead we get people back to work and living their lives, and save a few $Trillion for our kids and grandkids. Just a thought.

[bobbiemcgee]

I could use another 2400. I'll buy another share of AMZ for the grandkids 529 plan.

[xubrew]

Donald Trump is having what can be best described as a psychotic episode on Twitter right now. He needs to be taken back to Walter Reed and admitted to the psyche ward. I'm not entirely joking. This guy is not well. I know crazy when I see it, and he's freakin' crazy.

So, for those of you on the right, understand that you would not be supporting this guy if he wasn't your candidate. Once someone else from the Republican Party is in office, you're not gonna miss this guy at all. So, how about Mike Pence? He may actually have a better chance at winning the election. Joe Biden is running on the platform of not being Donald Trump. That's really all he's got. Well, Mike Pence isn't Donald Trump either! This totally takes Biden's entire platform away from him! And it ensures that we get someone in office that doesn't belong in a mental hospital!

I don't like Mike Pence, but when you're on an airplane that's about to crash, you really don't have to like the pilot. You just need him to know how to fly the plane. That's where we are. I'll take Mike Pence. Let's call it a compromise. The GOP keeps the presidency just so long as it is someone that's more mentally stable than Trump, which means you can pretty much pick literally ANYONE else. I will vote for every republican on the ballot if the GOP acts to remove Trump and replace him with Pence. I'm not kidding.

[xuwillie]

Yeah not a huge Pence fan, a little too far Right for me but think he's the best of the group. It's really not even close, such a sad state we are in

[Masterofreality]

That CARES act is the biggest piece of legislative garbage in history. Makes Obama’s stimulus package look fiscally responsible. And some people think we need more of this? How about instead we get people back to work and living their lives, and save a few $Trillion for our kids and grandkids. Just a thought.

Agree. I'm all for "targeted" assistance. Like for airlines, restaurants and some other industries. But this omnibus garbage that Pelosi & Schumer are trying to put out there- that also basically bails out local governments- is trash. Sorry. Take care of your own mess, locals.
Enough unemployment extension also. My buddy owns a roofing company. He couldn't get any workers to hire while they were getting stimulus checks. There are plenty of jobs out there. The Unemployment rate keeps dropping to 7.9% Get people to go back to work.
And if they send me a "stimulus check"? I'm stimulating a local charity with it.

[X-man]

Agree. I'm all for "targeted" assistance. Like for airlines, restaurants and some other industries. But this omnibus garbage that Pelosi & Schumer are trying to put out there- that also basically bails out local governments- is trash. Sorry. Take care of your own mess, locals.
Enough unemployment extension also. My buddy owns a roofing company. He couldn't get any workers to hire while they were getting stimulus checks. There are plenty of jobs out there. The Unemployment rate keeps dropping to 7.9% Get people to go back to work.
And if they send me a "stimulus check"? I'm stimulating a local charity with it.

So the fact that the economic downturn reduced state and municipal revenues, and added costs faced by both states and municipalities (not to mention the direct costs associated with reducing covid spread) is of no importance to you? How about the fact that most states and municipalities had finally just gotten fiscally healthy after the last recession in 2009-2011? Also of no matter to you? Frankly, only diehard Fox fans fail to understand the basics here.

[paulxu]

Or...you could vote your pocketbook:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/business/economy-election-blue-wave-goldman-sachs/index.html

[paulxu]

One of these things is not like the other:

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent. Mail boxes will be robbed, ballots will be forged & even illegally printed out & fraudulently signed. The Governor of California is sending Ballots to millions of people, anyone.....

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Early voting and vote-by-mail start TODAY in ARIZONA! Cast your vote early in person, or request your vote-by-mail ballot right now. We want all eligible voters to vote, and have it counted! Request your vote-by-mail ballot by clicking below! #VOTE

I hope he's not confusing his supporters.

[Muskie in dayton]

So the fact that the power-drunk governors (mostly Democrat), overreacted to shutdown the country, costs jobs, careers, businesses and livelihoods, thus causing a profound drop in state and municipal revenues, and added costs faced by both states and municipalities.

I fixed that for you. Only diehard CNN fans fail to understand the basics here.

[paulxu]

A national strategy with directions might have been helpful.

[X-man]

I fixed that for you. Only diehard CNN fans fail to understand the basics here.

Yeah. Those states that didn't shut down (e.g. Florida, Georgia, Arizona) did great.

[xu82]

What has happened that I now have to log on again every time I go to the XH tab on my iPad? I think the site was down for a while recently. Is this happening to anyone else? Was this an update? Will it go back to the old/easier way?

[bobbiemcgee]

I fixed that for you. Only diehard CNN fans fail to understand the basics here.

30 WH staff now have covid, guess they don't report that on your fox coverage. The place is practically empty now due to their mishandling of the virus and refusal to wear masks. America knows the truth. Handjob compared Bozo to FDR. What a joke!!!!

[Muskie in dayton]

Yeah. Those states that didn't shut down (e.g. Florida, Georgia, Arizona) did great.
I agree. They were a great demonstration of the Hope-Simpson (https://twitter.com/ethicalskeptic/status/1303529719191789568?s=21) epidemiological model for southern latitudes. Now they enjoy a return to normality. They..... wait for it..... wait for it.... followed the science.

[xubrew]

Why am I watching this? What did I do to myself to make myself want to make myself suffer through this?

[paulxu]

You hoped to watch a debate where one side didn't interrupt 140 times?

[xu82]

You hoped to watch a debate where one side didn't interrupt 140 times?

Apparently, that’s impossible.


....somebody needs a shock collar!


At least cut off the microphone.

[XU 23]

Wow... an actual debate.

[xubrew]

Wow... an actual debate.

Let’s invert the tickets

[GoMuskies]

Those two are fine. Which is REALLY good in 2020 terms.

[bobbiemcgee]

A Fly stole the show.

[xu82]

Those two are fine. Which is REALLY good in 2020 terms.

That’s funny!


.......and true.

[xu82]

A Fly stole the show.


Again, good entertainment!

[xubrew]

Those two are fine. Which is REALLY good in 2020 terms.

Accurate!!

[xubrew]

A Fly stole the show.

I'd vote for Pence as president and The Fly as VP over Trump.

[bleedXblue]

I'd vote for Pence as president and The Fly as VP over Trump.

proof that certain people just don't like Trump......b/c their policies are exactly the same.

hes losing votes b/c he is just not likable

[xubrew]

proof that certain people just don't like Trump......b/c their policies are exactly the same.

hes losing votes b/c he is just not likable

He's INSANE! It's not that I dislike him so much as it is that he strikes me as a school bus driver that's totally loaded. You don't dislike him so much as that you're just scared of what might happen. Just imagine if any college coach, or player, or trainer, or manager, took to twitter and went on baseless and stupid rants like that. Within 24 hours they'd be through, as they should be. I don't know what you do for a living, but could you act out like that in public and keep your job? I doubt it. They'd think you were an unstable liability, and they'd be absolutely correct.

I agree that he's not likable either, but that really isn't my biggest problem with him. I think he's an unstable narcissist who, to quote an old classic film, would just as soon watch his own mother burn at the stake if it was the most convenient way for him to light his cigar.

[Masterofreality]

So the fact that the economic downturn reduced state and municipal revenues, and added costs faced by both states and municipalities (not to mention the direct costs associated with reducing covid spread) is of no importance to you? How about the fact that most states and municipalities had finally just gotten fiscally healthy after the last recession in 2009-2011? Also of no matter to you? Frankly, only diehard Fox fans fail to understand the basics here.

No. States and Municipalities have become bloated dumping grounds with zero accoutability to the public. Every day I see ways that they could be more efficient, but there are too many fiefdoms and pols with hands in the till to make significant changes. How does Louisville magically come up with $12 million of taxpayer money to pay to Beonna Taylor's family over the shooting that, was tragic, but in the line of police work trying to stop drug dealing? Drug dealing that evidence shows, she was complicit in? How does Cleveland magically come up with $8 million to pay off Samaria Rice, a mother who had lost control of her son and had obviously never disciplined the kid to never point anything that looked like a real weapon at cops, and to never menace innocent passers-by in a park?

Now these crazy cities, that want to defund and limit police have riots that are killing their local economies and have zero to do with Covid- only asshats. They let this stuff happen and now they want a Fed bailout?? No sir!! In no uncertain terms.
Yeah, there's money there. They just don't like having their little honey pot disturbed.

[Masterofreality]

A national strategy with directions might have been helpful.

Biden's "Plan" last night as laid out by Harris was, hmmmmmmmm, exactly like what Trump has been doing.
Yeah, some new plan....

[Masterofreality]

30 WH staff now have covid, guess they don't report that on your fox coverage. The place is practically empty now due to their mishandling of the virus and refusal to wear masks. America knows the truth. Handjob compared Bozo to FDR. What a joke!!!!

And, none are going to the hospital, and none are in ICU. They have a case of a flu, and will be back to work soon.
Take a sick day Bobbie.

[XU 23]

So uhhh... will we ever find out if Biden and Harris are going to pack the Supreme Court? Or will we just have to elect them and hope they don't?

As Pelosi once said, "You have to pass the bill to find out what's in it."

[paulxu]

There are 210,000 Americans that wish it was a bad case of the flu, and could go back to work or retirement or school.
Fauci said today that we have to understand it's far worse than the flu.
Good luck with that.

[Mrs. Garrett]

And, none are going to the hospital, and none are in ICU. They have a case of a flu, and will be back to work soon.
Take a sick day Bobbie.

The President went to the hospital.

[X-man]

No. States and Municipalities have become bloated dumping grounds with zero accoutability to the public. Every day I see ways that they could be more efficient, but there are too many fiefdoms and pols with hands in the till to make significant changes. How does Louisville magically come up with $12 million of taxpayer money to pay to Beonna Taylor's family over the shooting that, was tragic, but in the line of police work trying to stop drug dealing? Drug dealing that evidence shows, she was complicit in? How does Cleveland magically come up with $8 million to pay off Samaria Rice, a mother who had lost control of her son and had obviously never disciplined the kid to never point anything that looked like a real weapon at cops, and to never menace innocent passers-by in a park?

Now these crazy cities, that want to defund and limit police have riots that are killing their local economies and have zero to do with Covid- only asshats. They let this stuff happen and now they want a Fed bailout?? No sir!! In no uncertain terms.
Yeah, there's money there. They just don't like having their little honey pot disturbed.

It's called insurance. I'd be shocked if most, if not all, the payoff didn't come from insurance. And if "evidence shows she was complicit" in drug-dealing, why wasn't she charged. Try watching something other than Fox and/or reading real newspapers with an open mind if you are capable.

[Xville]

Ah making condescending statements while not having a clue, Your typical mo. Only 5 mil is coming from a self insured policy (which by the way still have to pay into that, not as much as a fully insured plan but still), the rest is coming from a general fund...gee I wonder where that general fund money comes from...taxpayers? Ding ding.

And if you really cant figure out why she wasnt charged, then maybe no one can help you.

[paulxu]

I admit to having not followed this case closely.
This is a recent review by the Courier Journal:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

I didn't see anything in there about her being involved with drugs: receiving, handling, etc.
Where does that come from?

[chico]

Until we start to respect each other and recognize that in spite our differences in political philosophy we share a lot of common ground, our society will continue to fall apart and our government will continue to be totally disfunctional.


It's called insurance. I'd be shocked if most, if not all, the payoff didn't come from insurance. And if "evidence shows she was complicit" in drug-dealing, why wasn't she charged. Try watching something other than Fox and/or reading real newspapers with an open mind if you are capable.

Just gonna leave this here...

[Masterofreality]

It's called insurance. I'd be shocked if most, if not all, the payoff didn't come from insurance. And if "evidence shows she was complicit" in drug-dealing, why wasn't she charged. Try watching something other than Fox and/or reading real newspapers with an open mind if you are capable.

If you can’t figure out why she wasn’t charged (She’s D.E.A.D, oh and Big Riots), then I don’t know what to tell you.
And isn’t it interesting that those who a couple of months ago were calling for Defunding Police, now want to use an “Omnibus Stimulus” bill to, Huh, RE-Fund the police to allegedly protect them from budget cuts. Talk about talking out of both sides of your mouth.
And I don’t watch Fox News, or CNN or MSNBC. Like a guy who has no argument you turn to the reckless finger pointing and mindless accusations. And pray tell, how do you know that any payment came out of “Insurance”? Insurance for what? Woke-ism? A Bleeding Heart? And how would you make a claim for that payment? Insurance Companies aren’t in the habit of just paying out because you weren’t at fault but were just “Feeling bad”.
Wokeness isn’t a reason to pay a claim, especially when a case was never brought to court & decided.
Do better.

[Masterofreality]

I admit to having not followed this case closely.
This is a recent review by the Courier Journal:

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/crime/2020/06/16/breonna-taylor-fact-check-7-rumors-wrong/5326938002/

I didn't see anything in there about her being involved with drugs: receiving, handling, etc.
Where does that come from?

It’s in the LMPD Police Report that gives history on her and her “co-Conspirators back to 2016. I’ve posted it twice, but of course you don’t care about reading anything factual that conflicts with your Lib delusion. Post number #7473.
There are also pictures that were posted of Taylor and her “squeeze” proudly holding Guns and mocking the law today as a result of the Release of More Documents from the LMPD Documents as reported by the Daily Mail UK.
This ain’t no myth.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8816249/Louisville-police-release-details-Taylor-investigation.html

[paulxu]

I did read all that report (it was long) and difficult with the phone conversations.
The Courier recap (and parts of the report) seemed to indicate she and the guy they were after were no longer together.
Oh well. Sad story all around.

ps. You get upset by them posting with guns, but not with unlawful militia types wandering around statehouses, streets, etc with guns?
Strange.
At least the FBI caught the group planning on kidnapping the governor.

[Masterofreality]

I did read all that report (it was long) and difficult with the phone conversations.
The Courier recap (and parts of the report) seemed to indicate she and the guy they were after were no longer together.
Oh well. Sad story all around.

ps. You get upset by them posting with guns, but not with unlawful militia types wandering around statehouses, streets, etc with guns?
Strange.
At least the FBI caught the group planning on kidnapping the governor.

“Oh well. Sad story all around”? Yeah, lots of sad stories come from when people make bad decisions to A) Screw around and B) Play Gangsta selling drugs with guns. That’s how you dismiss this? Ludicrous.

And then...
Quit diverting from the subject.
Are those idiots getting bailed out of jail by some “Fund” promoted by Harris, like those Antifa jerks in Minneapolis? Nah. They got their asses thrown in jail and will be called to justice. Will any of their families get paid $12 million or will their be riots demanding their release.
Please Paul. I *think* you are smarter than that?

[bobbiemcgee]

The President went to the hospital.

and his debate coach Christie (6 days) + whoever else they're lying about.

[paulxu]

And then...
Quit diverting from the subject.
Are those idiots getting bailed out of jail by some “Fund” promoted by Harris, like those Antifa jerks in Minneapolis? Nah. They got their asses thrown in jail and will be called to justice. Will any of their families get paid $12 million or will their be riots demanding their release.
Please Paul. I *think* you are smarter than that?

You honestly lost me there. (Perhaps I'm dumber than you think)
Are you talking about the guys they caught on the plot to harm the governor?
Why would any of their families get any money? They were caught before they could do any harm to her?
Oh well.

My point was about people (like Taylor and her then boyfriend) beings stupid enough to post pictures of themselves with guns.
It reminded me we don't get upset with wannabe soldiers parading around public spaces with guns.
And some of them mean a lot of violence to others like the nuts they stopped in Michigan before they did something really crazy.

[Masterofreality]

You honestly lost me there. (Perhaps I'm dumber than you think)
Are you talking about the guys they caught on the plot to harm the governor?
Why would any of their families get any money? They were caught before they could do any harm to her?
Oh well.

My point was about people (like Taylor and her then boyfriend) beings stupid enough to post pictures of themselves with guns.
It reminded me we don't get upset with wannabe soldiers parading around public spaces with guns.
And some of them mean a lot of violence to others like the nuts they stopped in Michigan before they did something really crazy.

Oh, you know. How about wanna be Antifa soldiers- which Biden calls an IDEA- parading around with lazers being shown in cops' eyes, clubs, some guns, molotov cocktails and fire accellerants and being given basic carte blanche' in Portland Seattle and Minneapolis. Meanwhile governors are trampling all over citizens freedoms hiding behind 'following science" and there are still cases appearing all over the place. Talk about "Nuts"?

[bobbiemcgee]

Talk about "Nuts"?

James Baker recently said that trump "is Nuts". Now he wants Barr to indict all of his political enemies including Biden and Obama before the election. Then he wants to go out and spread the virus like Pigpen from Peanuts. Talk about Nuts. We need to look into the 25th amendment.

[paulxu]

Oh, you know. How about wanna be Antifa soldiers- which Biden calls an IDEA- parading around with lazers being shown in cops' eyes, clubs, some guns, molotov cocktails and fire accellerants and being given basic carte blanche' in Portland Seattle and Minneapolis. Meanwhile governors are trampling all over citizens freedoms hiding behind 'following science" and there are still cases appearing all over the place. Talk about "Nuts"?

Somehow you have the idea that I might condone illegal behavior...by anyone.
Let me set you straight. I do not. People doing things that are illegal should be arrested and subject to our legal system.
Governors exercising their authority under their state's constitution/laws are not acting illegally. They're trying to manage a difficult situation during a pandemic.
Things might have gone more smoothly if we had a national, coordinated response, as we have had in the past during these types of crises.

[Masterofreality]

Somehow you have the idea that I might condone illegal behavior...by anyone.
Let me set you straight. I do not. People doing things that are illegal should be arrested and subject to our legal system.
Governors exercising their authority under their state's constitution/laws are not acting illegally. They're trying to manage a difficult situation during a pandemic.
Things might have gone more smoothly if we had a national, coordinated response, as we have had in the past during these types of crises.

Welp, you are quick to point out when idiots act like idiots in Michigan, and get caught as they should have been...(by the way, that guy Cox has a picture of himself with an Antifa logo flag behind him) but you never seem to say a word when a Trump supporter in Portland is gunned down in Cold Blood and the idiots out there were celebrating in the streets.

And Biden's "plan" for Covid is exactly the same as what has been done already. but Ol' Joe knows a lot about Plagiarism

[paulxu]

I'll point out your idiots...you point out mine :)

[XU_Lou]

Welp, you are quick to point out when idiots act like idiots in Michigan, and get caught as they should have been...(by the way, that guy Cox has a picture of himself with an Antifa logo flag behind him) but you never seem to say a word when a Trump supporter in Portland is gunned down in Cold Blood and the idiots out there were celebrating in the streets.

And Biden's "plan" for Covid is exactly the same as what has been done already. but Ol' Joe knows a lot about Plagiarism

Now we know that at least two of those plotters were NOT Trump supporters:https://www.bizpacreview.com/2020/10/09/unearthed-videos-of-suspects-in-gov-whitmer-kidnap-plot-suggest-they-are-anything-but-pro-trump-right-wingers-982312

My guess is that everyone in Michigan hates half-Whitmer....

[xu82]

I'll point out your idiots...you point out mine :)

If you are anywhere near the middle, you can point out idiots in BOTH directions! :-)

[XU_Lou]

Trump is correct once again....

On Friday, the Franklin County, Ohio, Board of Elections announced that 49,669 voters throughout the county received an incorrect absentee ballot this week. That represents almost 21% of the ballots mailed out to voters: https://lidblog.com/franklin-county-incorrect-ballots/

But we MUST put our full trust in the government, because they always do the right thing for us minions...

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like they got things corrected. No big deal. Meanwhile Pigpen Trumpelini will be spewing covid to his cult from the WH balcony tmrw. Another Superspreader event.

[waggy]

Trumpelini Doesn't quite have the same ring as Newsolini, let alone the associated authoritative mandates.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://tenor.com/view/peanut-dancing-dance-moves-charlie-brown-dirty-gif-17218663

[paulxu]

I wonder why Graham refused to be tested before his debate here in Spartanburg tonight?
That seems like a fairly reasonable thing to be asked to do.
Maybe he's worried about testing positive before the Judiciary Committee hearings.
But seriously...that's just crazy to refuse a test, especially after he had been around 2 of his committee members who did test positive.

[Muskie in dayton]

I wonder why Graham refused to be tested before his debate here in Spartanburg tonight?
That seems like a fairly reasonable thing to be asked to do.
Maybe he's worried about testing positive before the Judiciary Committee hearings.
But seriously...that's just crazy to refuse a test, especially after he had been around 2 of his committee members who did test positive.
If it’s a PCR test run at the CDC recommended Ct of 40, then over half of the positives are false. That would be a very reasonable reason.

[bobbiemcgee]

They usually get both tests. I'm sure they are readily available.

[X Factor]

Old Joe lectures everyone about wearing a mask, and then he does this...

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1314688491368964098

[bobbiemcgee]

Guess you should read the comments.

[X Factor]

Joe doesn't think us peasants deserve to know if he will try and pack the Supreme Court if he gets elected. Pompous career politician that hasn't achieved anything.

https://twitter.com/ARSquared/status/1314927647919689731

[bjf123]

[QUOTE=X Factor;682040]Joe doesn't think us peasants deserve to know if he will try and pack the Supreme Court if he gets elected. Pompous career politician that hasn't achieved anything. [/ QUOTE]

I think it’s the opposite. He knows that would be setting a bad precedent because a Republican administration would simply do the same to bump the number of justices again. He doesn’t want to say that and piss off a number of the far Left voters.


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[paulxu]

Joe doesn't think us peasants deserve to know if he will try and pack the Supreme Court if he gets elected. Pompous career politician that hasn't achieved anything.

https://twitter.com/ARSquared/status/1314927647919689731

Biden sponsored the Violence Against Women Act in the Senate. Trumps allegations of sexual misconduct are up to 26. Guess he really can crab them by the pussy.
More importantly, he helped Obama pull the country out of ditch the Republicans drove us into last time. Let's hope he gets a chance to do it again.

[X Factor]

Biden sponsored the Violence Against Women Act in the Senate. Trumps allegations of sexual misconduct are up to 26. Guess he really can crab them by the pussy.
More importantly, he helped Obama pull the country out of ditch the Republicans drove us into last time. Let's hope he gets a chance to do it again.

Joe Biden is a creepy old man who touches women and young girls. It's ok though, he's a Democrat.

Just watch the poor girls reaction at 34 seconds. She is terrified.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgyUHnFZDq0

https://joebiden.info/

[paulxu]

In several phone calls last weekend from the presidential suite at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, Mr. Trump shared an idea he was considering: When he left the hospital, he wanted to appear frail at first when people saw him, according to people with knowledge of the conversations. But underneath his button-down dress shirt, he would wear a Superman T-shirt, which he would reveal as a symbol of strength when he ripped open the top layer. He ultimately did not go ahead with the stunt.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/10/us/politics/trump-white-house-coronavirus.html

Our president is confused about the date of Halloween.

[xu82]

I miss the days when it was OK to be more near the middle. We have gotten so far to the right or left it’s disappointing. I think most people really ARE more toward the middle, but they tire at the thought of trying to outshout the extreme folks on either side.

[XU_Lou]

Biden sponsored the Violence Against Women Act in the Senate. Trumps allegations of sexual misconduct are up to 26. Guess he really can crab them by the pussy.
More importantly, he helped Obama pull the country out of ditch the Republicans drove us into last time. Let's hope he gets a chance to do it again.

Tara Reade - look her up....

[XU_Lou]

Biden Supporters Cheer in the Streets After Someone Shoots and Kills a Trump Supporter in Denver:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/antifa-cheers-streets-one-peers-shoots-kills-trump-supporter-denver-video/

[XU_Lou]

Did you all see the recent Keith Olbermann rant (see below)?

Honest question - how pervasive is this vile, vicious, Soviet Union-era type of thinking within the Democrat party? This should scare the hell out of everyone, because won't end pretty for anyone in this country if Joe Biden wins..

“He, and his enablers, and his supporters, and his collaborators, and the Mike Lees and the William Barrs ... and the Mike Pences, and the Rudy Giulianis and the Kyle Rittenhouses and the Amy Coney Barretts must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society while we try to rebuild it and to rebuild the world Trump has destroyed by turning it over to a virus.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/keith-olbermann-amy-coney-barrett-trump-prosecuted-removed-society

[chico]

Did you all see the recent Keith Olbermann rant (see below)?

Honest question - how pervasive is this vile, vicious, Soviet Union-era type of thinking within the Democrat party? This should scare the hell out of everyone, because won't end pretty for anyone in this country if Joe Biden wins..

“He, and his enablers, and his supporters, and his collaborators, and the Mike Lees and the William Barrs ... and the Mike Pences, and the Rudy Giulianis and the Kyle Rittenhouses and the Amy Coney Barretts must be prosecuted and convicted and removed from our society while we try to rebuild it and to rebuild the world Trump has destroyed by turning it over to a virus.”

https://www.foxnews.com/media/keith-olbermann-amy-coney-barrett-trump-prosecuted-removed-society

I forget who the comic was, but his line was "I just ran into Keith Olbermann. He was outside arguing with a parking meter."

[waggy]

Biden Supporters Cheer in the Streets After Someone Shoots and Kills a Trump Supporter in Denver:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/10/antifa-cheers-streets-one-peers-shoots-kills-trump-supporter-denver-video/

Very sad stuff. Worried for the country. I hope that what we are seeing is a great distortion of the common persons attitudes. Democracy is not "my way or no way at all". Trump was elected by the vote of the people. (and he may be again). And that is apparently a very underappreciated thing.

[JEHARDI]

Almost 800 pages and 8,000 posts and the debate to crown the tallest midget rages on... Given the absolute ineptitude of the two candidates we can look forward to another 4 years of partisan rants on this page!

[paulxu]

It's Muskie's fault for putting all this nonsense in one place.

[bobbiemcgee]

https://www.denverpost.com/news/

The shooter got slapped and maced.

[Muskie in dayton]

https://www.denverpost.com/news/

The shooter got slapped and maced.
Are you suggesting that makes the shooting OK?

[paulxu]

Apparently Dr Fauci doesn't like the Trump campaign using his words out of context.
Imagine that.
Sort of like all the musicians who haven't granted Trump's campaign the right to use their music.

[bobbiemcgee]

Your senator lindsay showing his racist side:

“If you’re a young, African American or an immigrant, you can go anywhere in this state, you just need to be conservative, not liberal”.

Guess he'll be standing outside the voting booths soon to make sure this doesn't happen.

[bobbiemcgee]

Are you suggesting that makes the shooting OK?

Did you support Rittenhouse? Neither one was "ok"

[XU_Lou]

Your senator lindsay showing his racist side:

“If you’re a young, African American or an immigrant, you can go anywhere in this state, you just need to be conservative, not liberal”.

Guess he'll be standing outside the voting booths soon to make sure this doesn't happen.

Cry for us little Bobbie....

[bobbiemcgee]

Apparently he has your support as well as mushroom dick. I'll be laughing until I cry in a few weeks.

[STL_XUfan]

Are you suggesting that makes the shooting OK?

I have a couple of friends that work for Channel 9 in Denver. Apparently the station is receiving dozens of death threats from various right wing groups and now have security escorts to and from their cars.

[XU_Lou]

Apparently he has your support as well as mushroom dick. I'll be laughing until I cry in a few weeks.

Sorry, there aren't enough haters like you for that to happen. Are you going to use rope or a revolver?

[bobbiemcgee]

Both. I'll hang up a trump pinata and shoot it.:whack:

[Muskie in dayton]

I have a couple of friends that work for Channel 9 in Denver. Apparently the station is receiving dozens of death threats from various right wing groups and now have security escorts to and from their cars.
Does that make the shooting OK?

Bobbie, still waiting for your answer too.

[STL_XUfan]

Does that make the shooting OK?

Bobbie, still waiting for your answer too.

I am lost on where you thought I implied in anyway that it was ok. I was simply stating a collateral impact from this event.

I am against anyone being killed. I am against anyone showing up to a protest that seeks to incite violence or causes injury. I think people that do should be prosecuted. I also think that both the groups in Denver are full of a bunch of f***ing ideological zealots that are so on the fringe that don’t represent either side of the aisle.

Prosecute antifa. Prosecute the proud boys. Prosecute anyone trying to incite violence.

[bobbiemcgee]

Does that make the shooting OK?

Bobbie, still waiting for your answer too.

guess you missed post 7968

[Muskie in dayton]

You have not answered the question. Will you, explicitly condemn the shooting of the Trump supporter in Denver?

[Muskie in dayton]

You replied to my question about if the shooting was OK, to make that statement. Do you, STL_XUFAN think it was OK?

[STL_XUfan]

You replied to my question about if the shooting was OK, to make that statement. Do you, STL_XUFAN think it was OK?
Reading comprehension apparently isn’t your strong suit. So let me quote what I wrote:

I am against anyone being killed. I am against anyone showing up to a protest that seeks to incite violence or causes injury. I think people that do should be prosecuted. I also think that both the groups in Denver are full of a bunch of f***ing ideological zealots that are so on the fringe that don’t represent either side of the aisle.

Prosecute antifa. Prosecute the proud boys. Prosecute anyone trying to incite violence.

Let me know if any of those words were too complicated for you

[Muskie in dayton]

Reading comprehension apparently isn’t your strong suit. So let me quote what I wrote:

I am against anyone being killed. I am against anyone showing up to a protest that seeks to incite violence or causes injury. I think people that do should be prosecuted. I also think that both the groups in Denver are full of a bunch of f***ing ideological zealots that are so on the fringe that don’t represent either side of the aisle.

Prosecute antifa. Prosecute the proud boys. Prosecute anyone trying to incite violence.

Let me know if any of those words were too complicated for you

See, liberals will not condemn the leftist killing of a Trump supporter.













Next time you claim Trump won't condemn right wing militants, remember this.

[STL_XUfan]

See, liberals will not condemn the leftist killing of a Trump supporter.













Next time you claim Trump won't condemn right wing militants, remember this.

The person arrested was a private security officer hired by a local news company to protect their reporters. Do you have proof he was a “leftist.”

Second, I have condemned the killing twice. You just choose to read what you wanted.

Third, I am not a leftist. I am a registered republican who has voted that way before trump and the religious right co-opted the party. I am sure I will return to the party once they get back to free trade and small government.

[bobbiemcgee]

Attorney Chris Decker talked to FOX31’s Michael Konopasek and said that in Colorado a person can protect themselves or someone else from what they reasonably believe to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force.

“There are no clear and absolute bright lines with the doctrine of self-defense,” he said. “No one can really tell until or unless that were charged and a jury would determine the reasonableness of the circumstances.”

Does TV crew security guard have self-defense claim?
In Colorado, deadly force can be used only if a person reasonably believes that a lesser degree of force is inadequate and that person reasonably believes that they or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or about to sustain great bodily injury.

“That pepper spray may cause great bodily injury, could blind you,” Decker said.

[STL_XUfan]

Attorney Chris Decker talked to FOX31’s Michael Konopasek and said that in Colorado a person can protect themselves or someone else from what they reasonably believe to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force.

“There are no clear and absolute bright lines with the doctrine of self-defense,” he said. “No one can really tell until or unless that were charged and a jury would determine the reasonableness of the circumstances.”

Does TV crew security guard have self-defense claim?
In Colorado, deadly force can be used only if a person reasonably believes that a lesser degree of force is inadequate and that person reasonably believes that they or another person is in imminent danger of being killed or about to sustain great bodily injury.

“That pepper spray may cause great bodily injury, could blind you,” Decker said.


Which makes the Colorado law (and a lot of other states) dumb as hell. Using a firearm should be a last resort under any circumstance.

[bobbiemcgee]

No evidence he was a trump supporter:

“He wasn’t a part of any group,” Johnathon Keltner (son) told the newspaper.

[Muskie in dayton]

The person arrested was a private security officer hired by a local news company to protect their reporters. Do you have proof he was a “leftist.”

Second, I have condemned the killing twice. You just choose to read what you wanted.

Third, I am not a leftist. I am a registered republican who has voted that way before trump and the religious right co-opted the party. I am sure I will return to the party once they get back to free trade and small government.

First:
He is a leftist and Antifa: https://heavy.com/news/matthew-robert-dolloff/
He is not a real security guard: https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/

Second: Exactly like how Trump condemned the right wing militia.

Third: I could never tell.

[bobbiemcgee]

haha Your post shows the victim punching the shooter in the face.

Victims criminal record:

1989- Assault
1998 - Assault
2008- Violation of protective order
2016- Disorderly Conduct and FIGHTING

[Juice]

Which makes the Colorado law (and a lot of other states) dumb as hell. Using a firearm should be a last resort under any circumstance.

Pretty much the same in Ohio except that you cannot have a part in causing or initiating the confrontation. That's where this guy may have problems if Colorado has something similar on the books.

[paulxu]

Our president is a reality TV star!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/11/politics/donald-trump-superman-shirt-coronavirus/index.html

[bobbiemcgee]

https://twitter.com/projectlincoln/status/1313655008173404161

[Muskie in dayton]

haha Your post shows the victim punching the shooter in the face.

Victims criminal record:

1989- Assault
1998 - Assault
2008- Violation of protective order
2016- Disorderly Conduct and FIGHTING
Haha your comment is idiotic. Do you even read and think about what you write? I feel like I’m talking to a 5 year old.

So he hit and maced the leftist. Does that make it OK? Are we’re back to this, really?

[X Factor]

Paul and Bobbie have reached peak TDS.

How about you two stop posting in this thread if Trump gets re-elected. It might do your mental health some good.

[paulxu]

I don't support a continuation of the current president's policies or personal attacks.
I also don't engage in personal attacks here on our chat board.
The past 4 years have shown that the president's rhetoric has not done the discourse in our country any good, nor that here on the board.
I urge you read the attached from a reporter who has followed the issue of the impact of his speeches and twitter postings:


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/maga-terror-trump-militias_n_5f832f7ec5b62f97bac42a7c

[xuwillie]

I don’t think anyone here likes how much he tweets and all his personal attacks. But I do like his policies (more so republican policies) more then the far left liberals stance which scares the hell out of me! It was no different when I voted for Clinton, thought he was a scumbag but liked his agenda and pro business.

[bobbiemcgee]

Haha your comment is idiotic. Do you even read and think about what you write?
So he hit and maced the leftist. Does that make it OK? Are we’re back to this, really?
You have no idea what you're talking about. Look up the LAW:


"The defendant, if he did not provoke the assault, is not obliged to retreat or flee to save his life, but may stand his ground, and even, in some circumstances, pursue his assailant until the latter has been disarmed or disabled from carrying into effect his unlawful purpose, and this right of the defendant goes even to the extent, if necessary, of taking human life. Boykin v. People, 22 Colo. 496, 45 P. 419 (1896); Enyart v. People, 67 Colo. 434, 180 P. 722 (1919)."

The victim would have been charged with ASSAULT AGAIN if he had survived.

[GoMuskies]

Based on what I'm seeing in Committee, ACB is getting confirmed pretty easily. The attacks are weak. All about the ACA. That's not preventing anyone from getting confirmed to the Supreme Court.

[bleedXblue]

I don't support a continuation of the current president's policies or personal attacks.
I also don't engage in personal attacks here on our chat board.
The past 4 years have shown that the president's rhetoric has not done the discourse in our country any good, nor that here on the board.
I urge you read the attached from a reporter who has followed the issue of the impact of his speeches and twitter postings:


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/maga-terror-trump-militias_n_5f832f7ec5b62f97bac42a7c

So wait, you support the bullshit liberal attacks on him constantly? The complete nonsensical impeachment shame? The BS that Brett Kavanaugh went through? I don't like Trump's style at all, but I can certainly understand his behavior at times. This is happening on BOTH sides. If you can't condemn both for culpability in where we are right now, then you are a lost cause and part of the problem.

[bobbiemcgee]

Paul and Bobbie have reached peak TDS.

How about you two stop posting in this thread if Trump gets re-elected. It might do your mental health some good.

So if we disagree with your biased trump rhetoric and name calling we should stop posting? Get a life and stop trolling.
You sound like the dicktator.

[paulxu]

So wait, you support the bullshit liberal attacks on him constantly? The complete nonsensical impeachment shame? The BS that Brett Kavanaugh went through? I don't like Trump's style at all, but I can certainly understand his behavior at times. This is happening on BOTH sides. If you can't condemn both for culpability in where we are right now, then you are a lost cause and part of the problem.

Sorry, I will never support a president who encourages his supporters to violence against others or the press. There is no excusing that.
I don't think you'll find Biden encouraging that sort of behavior.

[Masterofreality]

Sorry, I will never support a president who encourages his supporters to violence against others or the press. There is no excusing that.
I don't think you'll find Biden encouraging that sort of behavior.

No. They just stay silent while asshats burn down businesses, try to blind authorities trying to stop the madness, let riots go on in Portland for over 100 days in a row, while other asshats harrass people quietly trying to eat their dinner. Then Biden/Harris meet with criminals who had felony warrants against them and just blatantly ignore the victim of Blake's sexual assault.

Oh, and actively work to bail out criminals who were actively caught rioting and burning up more buildings in Minneapolis. Trump never encouraged anyone to violence. That is an abject lie, Paul. Meanwhile you ignore all the ridiculous awful actions from your leftists.

In Biden's case, in a phrase you from the Left like to use a lot, "Silence is Concurrence". Biden took two weeks before he spoke out against any of the violence that was going on. And that was only because polls were drastically going against him.

The above is the worst take, of a ton of bad ones you have made on this board. You really need to seek professional help.

[bleedXblue]

Sorry, I will never support a president who encourages his supporters to violence against others or the press. There is no excusing that.
I don't think you'll find Biden encouraging that sort of behavior.

Again, you ignored the entire premise in that both sides own where we are.