Politics Thread

[X Factor]

There is absolutely nothing you could say to a Democrat to make them change how they feel about Trump. Before the virus wrecked the world, our economy was booming, record low unemployment (Black unemployment, Hispanic unemployment), etc. They won't give Trump credit for anything. He's been tougher on China than Obama was. He's stood up for religious freedom, freedom of speech, 2nd amendment, the sanctity of life, etc.

The Libs were in the fetal position when Trump got elected, shouting about how Trump would lead us into WWIII. He just brokered one of the biggest Middle East peace deals in many, many years, but the media won't report on that. The agreement is only the third time Israel has won recognition from one of the twenty-two Arab states. But people like AOC and many other Dems support the BDS movement against Israel, one of our biggest allies.

When it comes to racism today, we're told if you're silent, you're part of the problem, yet Catholics continually vote for Democrats who support Planned Parenthood (which affects Black lives more than any other race), and support abortions at all costs. I guess silence is violence in that instance.

Have fun supporting the Party that wants to defund the police. Guess who that will affect the most? Black lives in major cities controlled by Democrats. Since George Floyd's death, not one protester has been killed by the police. Guess how many people have been killed by the anarchists and other protesters?

It's going to be glorious when Trump is elected in November.

[paulxu]

And yet you have no problem with his multiple wives, paying off porn stars and playmates and his overall treatment of anyone he dislikes.
And no problem with him and the Republicans trying to make our most basic right of voting more difficult.
Interesting.

329 to 0. You suppose this is a left leaning publication?

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

[xudash]

And yet you have no problem with his multiple wives, paying off porn stars and playmates and his overall treatment of anyone he dislikes.
And no problem with him and the Republicans trying to make our most basic right of voting more difficult.
Interesting.

329 to 0. You suppose this is a left leaning publication?

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

Paul, if you go down this road, then you cannot possibly support Harris on the ticket.

[xudash]

That's just the thing, you work with them like Reagan...trust and verify.
Remember Iraq? No weapons of mass destruction, but we had the inspectors kicked out who were proving that so we could go in.

Same deal with Iran. From the JCPOA, we essentially got this;


Just as important, they allowed inspectors on the ground to verify. All Europe nuclear powers were on board.
Now that's gone. The only reason I can see is that Obama signed it, and Trump is set on undoing anything Obama did.

I'm not sure we are better off, or that the mid-east is safer as a result.

Iraq was a disaster. Bush F’d up.

Iran in the 80s is not what Iran is today. TRUSTING this version of Iran’s regime is not a good idea, IMHO.

[bobbiemcgee]

Please deny the fact that trump lies every day. He believes the lies and gets his supporters like you to believe them. He is a pathological liar. FACT: He lies about everything everyday. Every speech is full of lies. How can you support a pathological liar? Really would like to know. And forget the usual refrain "all politicians lie". NOBODY lies like our President. Such a role model for kids.

[XU_Lou]

Please deny the fact that trump lies every day. He believes the lies and gets his supporters like you to believe them. He is a pathological liar. FACT: He lies about everything everyday. Every speech is full of lies. How can you support a pathological liar? Really would like to know. And forget the usual refrain "all politicians lie". NOBODY lies like our President. Such a role model for kids.

Maybe it's time for you to take your tinfoil hat off...

[X Factor]

And yet you have no problem with his multiple wives, paying off porn stars and playmates and his overall treatment of anyone he dislikes.
And no problem with him and the Republicans trying to make our most basic right of voting more difficult.
Interesting.

329 to 0. You suppose this is a left leaning publication?

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

And you still have no problem supporting baby killing democrats, politicians that hate our biggest Mideast ally, want our cities to continue descending into chaos while defunding the police, and want to stifle any and all speech on college campuses and in public (or just conservative speech).

You'll gladly vote for Biden, who picked Kamala Harris, a woman who is anti-Catholic, as his running mate. I mean, just look at the way she treated Brian Buescher during his 2018 confirmation to serve as a district judge in Nebraska.

You want to talk about liars? Biden has been a serial plagiarizer his entire career. He had to drop out of the Democratic primaries in 1987 because of it. He has lied about his education. He has lied about being a part of the Civil Rights Movement.

He thinks of himself as an "average Joe", but he shows contempt to the real average Joe. He called a man at a campaign stop in Iowa "fat, old, and a damn liar". He called a college student in New Hampshire a "lying dog-faced pony soldier", and told a factory worker in Detroit he was "full of shit" when he started asking Biden about gun rights.

Biden hasn't had to face an honest press since the 80's. Trump stands in front of a hostile press and engages them.

[xuphan]

[QUOTE=bobbiemcgee;679574]Please deny the fact that trump lies every day. He believes the lies and gets his supporters like you to believe them. He is a pathological liar. FACT: He lies about everything everyday. Every speech is full of lies. How can you support a pathological liar? Really would like to know. And forget the usual refrain "all politicians lie". NOBODY lies like our President. Such a role model for kids.[/QUOTE

100 percent agree. I remember Trump saying once how if elected, he was going to go in to Washington and “drain the swamp”. I really believed him at the time feeling that career politicians McConnell, Pelosi, etc. have hurt our democracy. However, his four years have been anything but draining the swamp. In my opinion, the swamp has gotten bigger and more dangerous.

[bjf123]

[QUOTE=bobbiemcgee;679574]100 percent agree. I remember Trump saying once how if elected, he was going to go in to Washington and “drain the swamp”. I really believed him at the time feeling that career politicians McConnell, Pelosi, etc. have hurt our democracy. However, his four years have been anything but draining the swamp. In my opinion, the swamp has gotten bigger and more dangerous.

I don’t think he expected the swamp to fight back as much as it has. Having spent some time auditing a federal government purchasing group, it became painfully obvious that rule #1 was protect the bureaucracy.


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[Juice]

And yet you have no problem with his multiple wives, paying off porn stars and playmates and his overall treatment of anyone he dislikes.
And no problem with him and the Republicans trying to make our most basic right of voting more difficult.
Interesting.

329 to 0. You suppose this is a left leaning publication?

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

Voting has never been more easy. You can vote in person for weeks leading up to an election. You can vote by absentee ballot. But God forbid the Republican party thinks that maybe mail in voting, ballot harvesting, and sending out ballots to non-updated voter registration lists are bad ideas. Every other civilized country requires some type of ID or way to verify who they are, but somehow that is racist.

[xudash]

And you still have no problem supporting baby killing democrats, politicians that hate our biggest Mideast ally, want our cities to continue descending into chaos while defunding the police, and want to stifle any and all speech on college campuses and in public (or just conservative speech).

You'll gladly vote for Biden, who picked Kamala Harris, a woman who is anti-Catholic, as his running mate. I mean, just look at the way she treated Brian Buescher during his 2018 confirmation to serve as a district judge in Nebraska.

You want to talk about liars? Biden has been a serial plagiarizer his entire career. He had to drop out of the Democratic primaries in 1987 because of it. He has lied about his education. He has lied about being a part of the Civil Rights Movement.

He thinks of himself as an "average Joe", but he shows contempt to the real average Joe. He called a man at a campaign stop in Iowa "fat, old, and a damn liar". He called a college student in New Hampshire a "lying dog-faced pony soldier", and told a factory worker in Detroit he was "full of shit" when he started asking Biden about gun rights.

Biden hasn't had to face an honest press since the 80's. Trump stands in front of a hostile press and engages them.

Excellent post.

Biden is running an ad in Florida right now, accusing Trump of wanting to kill Social Security. That is simply not true.

[bobbiemcgee]

Biden is running an ad in Florida right now, accusing Trump of wanting to kill Social Security. That is simply not true.

He cut off the funding for it. He wants to add-on to his 6.6 trillion bill. "Conservatives" are very liberal with other people's money.

[Muskie in dayton]

Watching the DNC and it struck me, how ironic is it that the Democratic ticket is made up of an old, rich white guy and a cop?

[xudash]

Watching the DNC and it struck me, how ironic is it that the Democratic ticket is made up of an old, rich white guy and a cop?

I see what you did there, but she is more of a whore who fakes her race than she is anything else.

[xudash]

WE HAVE A PROBLEM: This is a well written and thought out article written by a 26 yr old college student by the name of Alyssa Ahlgren, who's in grad school for her MBA. What a GREAT perspecitve...

My Generation Is Blind to the Prosperity Around Us!
I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis (Florida) trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my newsfeed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of presidential candidates calling for policies to "fix" the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around.

I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook's, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we've become completely blind to it.

Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose.These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don't give them a second thought.

We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty One Times!!!

Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful. ??

Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, "An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity."

Never saw American prosperity! Let that sink in.

When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I've ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided.

My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let's just say I didn't have the popular opinion, but I digress.

Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country.

People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they've never seen prosperity, and as a result, we elect some politicians who are dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism.

Why? The answer is this,?? my generation has only seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn't live in the great depression, or live through two world wars, the Korean War, The Vietnam War or we didn't see the rise and fall of socialism and communism.

We don't know what it's like to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones. We don't have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it's spreading like a plague."

[X-man]

WE HAVE A PROBLEM: This is a well written and thought out article written by a 26 yr old college student by the name of Alyssa Ahlgren, who's in grad school for her MBA. What a GREAT perspecitve...

My Generation Is Blind to the Prosperity Around Us!
I'm sitting in a small coffee shop near Nokomis (Florida) trying to think of what to write about. I scroll through my newsfeed on my phone looking at the latest headlines of presidential candidates calling for policies to "fix" the so-called injustices of capitalism. I put my phone down and continue to look around.

I see people talking freely, working on their MacBook's, ordering food they get in an instant, seeing cars go by outside, and it dawned on me. We live in the most privileged time in the most prosperous nation and we've become completely blind to it.

Vehicles, food, technology, freedom to associate with whom we choose.These things are so ingrained in our American way of life we don't give them a second thought.

We are so well off here in the United States that our poverty line begins 31 times above the global average. Thirty One Times!!!

Virtually no one in the United States is considered poor by global standards. Yet, in a time where we can order a product off Amazon with one click and have it at our doorstep the next day, we are unappreciative, unsatisfied, and ungrateful. ??

Our unappreciation is evident as the popularity of socialist policies among my generation continues to grow. Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez recently said to Newsweek talking about the millennial generation, "An entire generation, which is now becoming one of the largest electorates in America, came of age and never saw American prosperity."

Never saw American prosperity! Let that sink in.

When I first read that statement, I thought to myself, that was quite literally the most entitled and factually illiterate thing I've ever heard in my 26 years on this earth. Many young people agree with her, which is entirely misguided.

My generation is being indoctrinated by a mainstream narrative to actually believe we have never seen prosperity. I know this first hand, I went to college, let's just say I didn't have the popular opinion, but I digress.

Why then, with all of the overwhelming evidence around us, evidence that I can even see sitting at a coffee shop, do we not view this as prosperity? We have people who are dying to get into our country.

People around the world destitute and truly impoverished. Yet, we have a young generation convinced they've never seen prosperity, and as a result, we elect some politicians who are dead set on taking steps towards abolishing capitalism.

Why? The answer is this,?? my generation has only seen prosperity. We have no contrast. We didn't live in the great depression, or live through two world wars, the Korean War, The Vietnam War or we didn't see the rise and fall of socialism and communism.

We don't know what it's like to live without the internet, without cars, without smartphones. We don't have a lack of prosperity problem. We have an entitlement problem, an ungratefulness problem, and it's spreading like a plague."
Talk about a bubble. I suppose that if you are in an MBA program, sipping your coffee in a coffee shop while playing with your cell phone, you might not get the fact that we have a significant portion of our population that is poorly fed, poorly educated, has little access to affordable healthcare, and lives in unsafe housing. Yes, we do live in one of the wealthiest countries on the planet and should be thankful for that. But we can, and should, do better for those in our society living in poverty.

[boozehound]

I see what you did there, but she is more of a whore who fakes her race than she is anything else.

Holy shit. Are you serious with this?

[Muskie in dayton]

Talk about a bubble. I suppose that if you are in an MBA program, sipping your coffee in a coffee shop while playing with your cell phone, you might not get the fact that we have a significant portion of our population that is poorly fed, poorly educated, has little access to affordable healthcare, and lives in unsafe housing. Yes, we do live in one of the wealthiest countries on the planet and should be thankful for that. But we can, and should, do better for those in our society living in poverty.

I had to chuckle at the woman’s post - one can’t look around a coffee shop in Nokomis FL and make a blanket statement about “prosperity all around us”. Sheesh. She should try a gas station in Avondale. You are correct – we do have substantial poverty and hunger in this country.

How does this happen in this country of tremendous prosperity and opportunity? We (society) has done so much for these inner-city areas that suffer most from poverty – policy, programs, housing, financial support – for decades!

The problem is the more you give someone, the less they appreciate it, and less they appreciate the value of earning something. Think of the kids whose parents give them everything. How many of these spoiled brat kids fail out of college and are unable to find their way in the real world? Then add message of community “leaders” that prosper from telling folks they are victims, they are repressed, and they have no chance. Think kids again. If someone keeps telling their child they aren’t smart enough, athletic enough, good enough, etc., it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I agree with you. We can and should do better. Stop the failed policy, expose the enabling voices, and help people help themselves.

It is not the quick and easy solution. But nothing worthwhile is ever quick and easy.

[Xville]

Talk about a bubble. I suppose that if you are in an MBA program, sipping your coffee in a coffee shop while playing with your cell phone, you might not get the fact that we have a significant portion of our population that is poorly fed, poorly educated, has little access to affordable healthcare, and lives in unsafe housing. Yes, we do live in one of the wealthiest countries on the planet and should be thankful for that. But we can, and should, do better for those in our society living in poverty.

I mean, her point was a little extreme I agree
However, what I took out of it, is that every single person in the us has the opportunity to have all of these things. Yes, it may be harder to climb to that point for some, but it is still possible. I'm really sick of hearing all the whining and crying from those who were born into certain situations and then use that as an excuse for the way their life turned out. There are plenty who grew up in the same situation and grew out of that situation.

The free handouts need to stop (except for things like st jude childrens) they dont benefit anyone long term and only keep people from succeeding in my opinion. I think that most social programs need to be set up like habitat for humanity...i.e. we will help you, but you need to qualify and we will help you qualify, and then once you qualify, you need to put in that work. Those are the kinds of social programs I get behind and will continue to support.

[boozehound]

I had to chuckle at the woman’s post - one can’t look around a coffee shop in Nokomis FL and make a blanket statement about “prosperity all around us”. Sheesh. She should try a gas station in Avondale. You are correct – we do have substantial poverty and hunger in this country.

How does this happen in this country of tremendous prosperity and opportunity? We (society) has done so much for these inner-city areas that suffer most from poverty – policy, programs, housing, financial support – for decades!

The problem is the more you give someone, the less they appreciate it, and less they appreciate the value of earning something. Think of the kids whose parents give them everything. How many of these spoiled brat kids fail out of college and are unable to find their way in the real world? Then add message of community “leaders” that prosper from telling folks they are victims, they are repressed, and they have no chance. Think kids again. If someone keeps telling their child they aren’t smart enough, athletic enough, good enough, etc., it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I agree with you. We can and should do better. Stop the failed policy, expose the enabling voices, and help people help themselves.

It is not the quick and easy solution. But nothing worthwhile is ever quick and easy.

I agree with a good portion of this, but I don't think the bolded part is necessarily accurate. Wealth begets wealth in this Country to a pretty high degree. We elected the poster child for this to be our President. It's not just true for the ultra wealthy either. Those kids may not make great grades in College but they generally graduate and go on to be successful (at least financially).



I mean, her point was a little extreme I agree
However, what I took out of it, is that every single person in the us has the opportunity to have all of these things. Yes, it may be harder to climb to that point for some, but it is still possible. I'm really sick of hearing all the whining and crying from those who were born into certain situations and then use that as an excuse for the way their life turned out. There are plenty who grew up in the same situation and grew out of that situation.

The free handouts need to stop (except for things like st jude childrens) they dont benefit anyone long term and only keep people from succeeding in my opinion. I think that most social programs need to be set up like habitat for humanity...i.e. we will help you, but you need to qualify and we will help you qualify, and then once you qualify, you need to put in that work. Those are the kinds of social programs I get behind and will continue to support.

I agree with you about how Social programs should be administered (mostly), however I do think we also have to recognize that people have dramatically different chances of success depending on their upbringing. For example the poor are much less likely to have 2 parent households (which I think is very important) and they don't learn how to manage money, speak proper English, etc. like the middle class and above do. We need to change that culture somehow if we want to help more people get out of poverty. I'm not exactly sure how, though. There is obviously a certain percentage of people who are going to be poor because they are either lazy or not equipped mentally to participate in the economy in a way that will earn them a decent income as well.

[paulxu]

Voting has never been more easy. You can vote in person for weeks leading up to an election. You can vote by absentee ballot. But God forbid the Republican party thinks that maybe mail in voting, ballot harvesting, and sending out ballots to non-updated voter registration lists are bad ideas. Every other civilized country requires some type of ID or way to verify who they are, but somehow that is racist.

You do realize the new postal guy had 600+ sorting machines pulled from service. Why would you do that leading up to an election?
They also were in the process of removing a lot of mailboxes themselves.

Some states require a witness signature on absentee ballots being mailed in. So...the postal service just issued a ruling that mailmen can no longer be the witness, which was a big help to people living in rural areas that needed them to be a witness. Why would you do that leading up to an election?

The only significant verified voter fraud that I know of was recently by a Republican in North Carolina. Many states have voted by mail for years. Now all of a sudden it's a problem.

[GoMuskies]

You do realize the new postal guy had 600+ sorting machines pulled from service. Why would you do that leading up to an election?
They also were in the process of removing a lot of mailboxes themselves.

It's Russia Gate all over again. Outstanding.

[Smails]

Holy shit. Are you serious with this?

Does this offend you? If so, you might want to buckle up.

Think back to the things that have been said about our President, our first lady and his children over the past 3+ years. The name calling, the bringing up of past quotes and transgressions that happened 30 years ago, the HATE, the vitriol. Think about what was said about Kavanaugh...the list goes on an on.

The fact that Kamala Harris fucked Wilie Brown while he was married which subsequently launched her career is fair game. The rules of engagement don't change because she's a biracial woman.

[bigdiggins]

I agree with a good portion of this, but I don't think the bolded part is necessarily accurate. Wealth begets wealth in this Country to a pretty high degree. We elected the poster child for this to be our President. It's not just true for the ultra wealthy either. Those kids may not make great grades in College but they generally graduate and go on to be successful (at least financially).




I agree with you about how Social programs should be administered (mostly), however I do think we also have to recognize that people have dramatically different chances of success depending on their upbringing. For example the poor are much less likely to have 2 parent households (which I think is very important) and they don't learn how to manage money, speak proper English, etc. like the middle class and above do. We need to change that culture somehow if we want to help more people get out of poverty. I'm not exactly sure how, though. There is obviously a certain percentage of people who are going to be poor because they are either lazy or not equipped mentally to participate in the economy in a way that will earn them a decent income as well.

Black Lives Matter disagrees with you.

[X Factor]

Democrats think government can solve every societal problem. Our society has completely turned away from God and personal responsibility. The traditonal family has been destroyed, and the sanctity of life has been cheapened to nothing but a clump of cells that can be destroyed without a second though. Most Democrats and Leftists have a humanistic worldview where they view people as God. They think throwing more money at problems, or creating a new government department, or giving people everything for free will magically solve everything. We allow bars and restaurants to serve people on Sundays, allow people to shop wherever they want, but try to stop people from worshipping.

[xu82]

Black Lives Matter disagrees with you.

How is it that this doesn’t get more attention? There is a sentiment, and there is an organization. The sentiment is great, the organization is hot garbage.

[STL_XUfan]

We allow bars and restaurants to serve people on Sundays,

Is your platform that I have to watch the Bengals sober? No one should have to suffer like that.

[GoMuskies]

The sentiment is great, the organization is hot garbage.

Yep.

black lives matter, yes; Black Lives Matter fuck off

racism sucks; anti-racism is probably worse

[X Factor]

Is your platform that I have to watch the Bengals sober? No one should have to suffer like that.

Definitely not. I've been watching the Browns on Sunday for the past 20 years. You think I'm not drinking?

[X Factor]

Yep.

black lives matter, yes; Black Lives Matter fuck off

racism sucks; anti-racism is probably worse

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/blm-protesters-smash-pinata-effigy-of-wife-of-minneapolis-police-union-chief-in-their-driveway/

How is this not a crime? It would be if a bunch of conservatives did it.

[GoMuskies]

I think I have a new favorite politician (note: extremely low bar): https://twitter.com/kimKBaltimore/status/1295461903268040707?s=20

[xudash]

Democrats think government can solve every societal problem. Our society has completely turned away from God and personal responsibility. The traditional family has been destroyed, and the sanctity of life has been cheapened to nothing but a clump of cells that can be destroyed without a second though. Most Democrats and Leftists have a humanistic worldview where they view people as God. They think throwing more money at problems, or creating a new government department, or giving people everything for free will magically solve everything. We allow bars and restaurants to serve people on Sundays, allow people to shop wherever they want, but try to stop people from worshipping.

Spot on.

“And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.”

I believe a Democrat spoke those fine words once upon a time. Of course, that particular Democrat was immediately followed by another - LBJ - who enacted the Great Society, which truly will go down as one of the greatest "hi, we're the government and we're here to help" clusters of all time.

[Juice]

You do realize the new postal guy had 600+ sorting machines pulled from service. Why would you do that leading up to an election?
They also were in the process of removing a lot of mailboxes themselves.

Some states require a witness signature on absentee ballots being mailed in. So...the postal service just issued a ruling that mailmen can no longer be the witness, which was a big help to people living in rural areas that needed them to be a witness. Why would you do that leading up to an election?

The only significant verified voter fraud that I know of was recently by a Republican in North Carolina. Many states have voted by mail for years. Now all of a sudden it's a problem.

"The USPS reported a 6.1% reduction in sorting machines from fiscal 2015 to 2016..."

https://twitter.com/JerylBier/status/1294244533283237888?s=20

This happened in 2009 under Obama as well

https://twitter.com/anthonymamore/status/1295518668793819138?s=20


More than 6,400 of Michigan's 10,600 absentee ballots rejected Aug. 4 were turned away because they arrived after Election Day, Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson's office said Friday.

Another 2,225 ballots were discarded because there was no signature on the envelope; 1,111 were rejected because the voter moved; and 846 were not accepted because the voter was dead, according to data from Benson's office.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2020/08/14/secretary-state-benson-6400-michigan-absentee-ballots-rejected-late-arrival/5584613002/


July 19 (UPI) -- The U.S. Postal Service broke federal law by allowing union workers to take unpaid leave to campaign for presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, the U.S. Office of Special Counsel said Wednesday.

The watchdog group, a federal independent agency that investigates and prosecutes employees' activities, concluded the USPS violated the Hatch Act, which bars government employees from engaging in political activity while on the job.

https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/07/19/Govt-watchdog-USPS-violated-law-by-allowing-Clinton-campaigning/7351500480144/?spt=su&or=btn_tw


Of the 2,400 registered Republicans in Bernardsville, 500 to 700 of them received erroneous mail-in ballots, listing the Democratic candidates instead of the Republicans.

https://www.nj.com/somerset/2020/06/misprinted-ballots-with-democratic-candidates-mailed-to-republicans-in-this-nj-town.html?fbclid=IwAR22N25D2Aw7G2OChSpKLAA8S5eXtTp wgRG_YNmoiC6-DQxeezy91CZzRQQ

And over a 1000 examples of voter fraud or election tampering
https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud

[xudash]

Holy shit. Are you serious with this?

Dead serious. Not a "whore" in the classic sense of the term, but a piece of sh1t who used sex to advance her career and who is nothing more than an opportunist. She'll do anything to get some, er, a_head.

Were you cheering her on with her behavior during the Kavanaugh hearings?

Gloves are off binky.

[boozehound]

Does this offend you? If so, you might want to buckle up.

Think back to the things that have been said about our President, our first lady and his children over the past 3+ years. The name calling, the bringing up of past quotes and transgressions that happened 30 years ago, the HATE, the vitriol. Think about what was said about Kavanaugh...the list goes on an on.

The fact that Kamala Harris fucked Wilie Brown while he was married which subsequently launched her career is fair game. The rules of engagement don't change because she's a biracial woman.

I don't think I would say it really offends me, it just says a lot about who Dash is as a person.

If you think it's cool to call a woman a 'whore who fakes her race', and would say that in writing, I think you are a piece of shit. Typing something like that is probably only the tip of the iceberg for the things you really say and think.

How do you criticize others for saying mean things about Donald Trump but then use that as ammunition to say clearly sexist and racist things about other people as though the fact that someone else (whom you claim to despise) did something means that you should lower yourself to that level?

I get that continuing to support Trump at this point requires some real mental gymnastics, but that post was some pretty fucked up shit, and your defense of it is too, IMHO.

[boozehound]

Dead serious. Not a "whore" in the classic sense of the term, but a piece of sh1t who used sex to advance her career and who is nothing more than an opportunist. She'll do anything to get some, er, a_head.

Were you cheering her on with her behavior during the Kavanaugh hearings?

Gloves are off binky.

Justify it however you want. You get to choose what you say and who you want to be as a person. I can see no value to further interacting with you here, or anywhere else. Have a good day.

[xudash]

Justify it however you want. You get to choose what you say and who you want to be as a person. I can see no value to further interacting with you here, or anywhere else. Have a good day.

You think that some of your responses in this thread place you on a pedestal?

I can see no value in interacting with you as well if you deny she had sex with Willie Brown to advance her career. You were probably giddy when she made an ass of herself during the Kavanaugh hearings.

I didn't fabricate the information. Deal with it.

[XU_Lou]

I don't think I would say it really offends me, it just says a lot about who Dash is as a person.

If you think it's cool to call a woman a 'whore who fakes her race', and would say that in writing, I think you are a piece of shit. Typing something like that is probably only the tip of the iceberg for the things you really say and think.

How do you criticize others for saying mean things about Donald Trump but then use that as ammunition to say clearly sexist and racist things about other people as though the fact that someone else (whom you claim to despise) did something means that you should lower yourself to that level?

I get that continuing to support Trump at this point requires some real mental gymnastics, but that post was some pretty fucked up shit, and your defense of it is too, IMHO.

Boozehound, let me make it perfectly clear, she IS an effing whore! Don't be such a snowflake....

Edit: I mean this both sexually and politically.

[noteggs]

I think I have a new favorite politician (note: extremely low bar): https://twitter.com/kimKBaltimore/status/1295461903268040707?s=20

This video had me intrigued. Powerful message for sure, so decided to find out more about her campaign.

https://kimkforcongress.com/campaign-issues-6/

I could get behind this, especially with the self-employed purchasing power of insurance.

[bobbiemcgee]

I could get behind this, especially with the self-employed purchasing power of insurance.

Guess she doesn't know a Bush Judge already ruled against AHP's.

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like trump will have to get some new chinese tires for his limo. Hope they don't come in the mail.

[GoMuskies]

Another USPS truther. Good to see.

[Smails]

How do you criticize others for saying mean things about Donald Trump but then use that as ammunition to say clearly sexist and racist things about other people as though the fact that someone else (whom you claim to despise) did something means that you should lower yourself to that level?



I'm not criticizing anyone...I personally couldn't give a shit about name calling. i was simply pointing out the hypocrisy of people like yourself who have said some really awful things about our President are now casting judgement on those who are saying the same type of stuff about Kamala Harris. I have yet to see you lash out at people on this board who have attacked the President, but you get pissed at someone calling a woman who slept around a whore? It seems to me that you don't have issues with name calling and attacking..as long as it pertains to DJT or the GOP. What's the view like from that ivory tower?

[X-man]

You think that some of your responses in this thread place you on a pedestal?

I can see no value in interacting with you as well if you deny she had sex with Willie Brown to advance her career. You were probably giddy when she made an ass of herself during the Kavanaugh hearings.

I didn't fabricate the information. Deal with it.
Can you please document your evidence that her relationship with Brown was to "advance her career"? We all know that she dated him, and that he played a role in getting her a couple of political appointments. But I have never seen evidence of what you assert, something that would be necessary to characterize her as a "whore". Let's hope that you are not guilty of "fabricating information".

[bobbiemcgee]

trump has a long history with whores. Why the double standard? Maxwell? "Wishes her well".

[GoMuskies]

I assume he just told her he was an accused criminal. Everyone knows Kamala loves fucking black men accused of crimes.

[Smails]

Can you please document your evidence that her relationship with Brown was to "advance her career"? We all know that she dated him, and that he played a role in getting her a couple of political appointments. But I have never seen evidence of what you assert, something that would be necessary to characterize her as a "whore". Let's hope that you are not guilty of "fabricating information".

Document evidence??? LOL. Just connect the dots, friend. Everyone knows what happened and even Willie Brown has acknowledged as much. Why would a smoking hot, 29 year old uber-ambitious female hop in the sack with a shriveled up 60 year old politician known for screwing girls 2 at a time? Do you think she was in love? Hell no. She did what (and who) she had to do to get a leg up in SF politics. I'm not knocking her for it...but it is what it is.

[X-man]

Document evidence??? LOL. Just connect the dots, friend. Everyone knows what happened and even Willie Brown has acknowledged as much. Why would a smoking hot, 29 year old uber-ambitious female hop in the sack with a shriveled up 60 year old politician known for screwing girls 2 at a time? Do you think she was in love? Hell no. She did what (and who) she had to do to get a leg up in SF politics. I'm not knocking her for it...but it is what it is.

In other words, those calling Harris a "whore" are just making up shit. Sadly, par for the course.

[Xville]

In other words, those calling Harris a "whore" are just making up shit. Sadly, par for the course.

Making up shit? That's what you got from that lol

[bobbiemcgee]

Why would a smoking hot, 29 year old uber-ambitious female hop in the sack with a shriveled up 60 year old politician known for screwing girls 2 at a time?

Again, thought you were talking about trump and the porn stars that he illegally paid off.

[xuwillie]

Again bobbie doesn't see the hypocrisy in all of this

[xudash]

Document evidence??? LOL. Just connect the dots, friend. Everyone knows what happened and even Willie Brown has acknowledged as much. Why would a smoking hot, 29 year old uber-ambitious female hop in the sack with a shriveled up 60 year old politician known for screwing girls 2 at a time? Do you think she was in love? Hell no. She did what (and who) she had to do to get a leg up in SF politics. I'm not knocking her for it...but it is what it is.

"Document your evidence"! Liberals don't do well when the heat lamp is turned on them.

He shouldn't have asked the question, as it all is a little worse than I thought it was with her and Willie - even the British are chiming in:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8623781/Kamala-Harris-affair-San-Franciscos-black-mayor-Willie-Brown.html

The fling may have fizzled long ago, but in the decades since, Harris has struggled to shirk her association with Brown, whom she has described as 'an albatross hanging around my neck'.

When DailyMail.com reached out to Brown's wife Blanche Vitero this week to ask what she thought of Harris being named as Biden's presidential running mate she broke into laughter

Scrutiny of their relationship and suspicions that her career benefited from his political patronage, are likely to intensify now she has been unveiled as Joe Biden's running mate.

As Brown's 'new steady' she soon found herself rubbing shoulders with many of California's political movers and shakers.

What's next on the request for documented evidence front? Perhaps he wants to argue that it was a platonic relationship based on mentoring. That probably won't make the grade, given what we know about Willie Brown. All you need to know about Willie Brown is summed up in this Clinton classic:

He had also been seen with a 'succession' of beautiful women despite having been married for decades. No wonder then that Clinton once dubbed Brown 'the real Slick Willy.'

Harris describes the whole Brown episode as 'an albatross hanging around my neck'. Her words, not mine.

[X-man]

Making up shit? That's what you got from that lol

With no evidence, other than "connect the dots", you are just making up shit.

[bobbiemcgee]

Again bobbie doesn't see the hypocrisy in all of this

Guess you are trying to make some moral judgment between the two. Doesn't work.

[Smails]

In other words, those calling Harris a "whore" are just making up shit. Sadly, par for the course.

Wait...what?? You realize that its a fact that she slept with Willie Brown while he was married. Is that what you're disputing here? Whether or not that classifies her as a whore is certainly up to each individual's moral conditioning. What do you think Wiilie Browns' ex-wife calls her?

[X-man]

"Document your evidence"! Liberals don't do well when the heat lamp is turned on them.

He shouldn't have asked the question, as it all is a little worse than I thought it was with her and Willie - even the British are chiming in:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8623781/Kamala-Harris-affair-San-Franciscos-black-mayor-Willie-Brown.html

The fling may have fizzled long ago, but in the decades since, Harris has struggled to shirk her association with Brown, whom she has described as 'an albatross hanging around my neck'.

When DailyMail.com reached out to Brown's wife Blanche Vitero this week to ask what she thought of Harris being named as Biden's presidential running mate she broke into laughter

Scrutiny of their relationship and suspicions that her career benefited from his political patronage, are likely to intensify now she has been unveiled as Joe Biden's running mate.

As Brown's 'new steady' she soon found herself rubbing shoulders with many of California's political movers and shakers.

What's next on the request for documented evidence front? Perhaps he wants to argue that it was a platonic relationship based on mentoring. That probably won't make the grade, given what we know about Willie Brown. All you need to know about Willie Brown is summed up in this Clinton classic:

He had also been seen with a 'succession' of beautiful women despite having been married for decades. No wonder then that Clinton once dubbed Brown 'the real Slick Willy.'

Harris describes the whole Brown episode as 'an albatross hanging around my neck'. Her words, not mine.

Again, where is the evidence that she was in this relationship to "advance her career"? The fact that he had been seen with a "'succession" of beautiful women" suggests that he was an attractive partner. I'm not saying her relationship with Brown was platonic. I am just saying that there has been no evidence that her relationship was anything but a romantic one. That does not make her a "whore".

[Juice]

trump has a long history with whores. Why the double standard? Maxwell? "Wishes her well".


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6j5grTM276Y

[X-man]

Wait...what?? You realize that its a fact that she slept with Willie Brown while he was married. Is that what you're disputing here? Whether or not that classifies her as a whore is certainly up to each individual's moral conditioning. What do you think Wiilie Browns' ex-wife calls her?

He had been separated for at least 10 years, and had been involved with several women. The word "whore", as I understand it, means someone who sells her body (or sex) for personal (presumably monetary) gain. So I ask again, where is such evidence?

[Smails]

With no evidence, other than "connect the dots", you are just making up shit.

It's called deductive reasoning...XMan, you are on the wrong side of this one

[noteggs]

Guess she doesn't know a Bush Judge already ruled against AHP's.

So you are telling me Congress can’t create a bill to expand AHP because a judge ruled against the Trump administration?

[paulxu]

What's it called if you've got a cancelled check with the guy's signature?

[GoMuskies]

What's it called if you've got a cancelled check with the guy's signature?

Mayor of Cincinnati?

[Smails]

What's it called if you've got a cancelled check with the guy's signature?

..

[xudash]

Again, where is the evidence that she was in this relationship to "advance her career"? The fact that he had been seen with a "'succession" of beautiful women" suggests that he was an attractive partner. I'm not saying her relationship with Brown was platonic. I am just saying that there has been no evidence that her relationship was anything but a romantic one. That does not make her a "whore".

That a boy!

You acknowledge that her relationship with Brown wasn't platonic, but are taking the position that her relationship with Willie was romantic and nothing more? Are you saying you believe it was only about true love and romance? Oh, please respond with a definitive "YES" or "NO".

[paulxu]

Mayor of Cincinnati?

Excellent! Or...slow learner.

[chico]

He had been separated for at least 10 years, and had been involved with several women. The word "whore", as I understand it, means someone who sells her body (or sex) for personal (presumably monetary) gain. So I ask again, where is such evidence?

How can you be so obtuse?

[GoMuskies]

How can you be so obtuse?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3b/6b/5e/3b6b5ed66d89e544163621534a45116f.jpg

[X-man]

That a boy!

You acknowledge that her relationship with Brown wasn't platonic, but are taking the position that her relationship with Willie was romantic and nothing more? Are you saying you believe it was only about true love and romance? Oh, please respond with a definitive "YES" or "NO".

I have no idea. Then again, neither do you. By your reasoning, Melania must also be a "whore". And all you "dot connecters" must be outraged by the fact that (1) Trump engaged in a quid pro quo with the leader of Ukraine to influence the outcome of this year's election, (2) Stone, Manafort, Kushner, and others connected with the Trump campaign worked with Russian intelligence officials to sabotage the 2016 election, (3) Trump illegally paid hush money to several women to keep them from hurting his election chances in 2016, (4) Trump, Ross, and Republicans all over the country are working to sabotage the 2020 vote of minority citizens and sabotage the Census count for political purposes, and (5) Trump is trying to subvert the postal system to try and disenfranchise voters, and sow distrust in the voting process, for personal and political gain. How do we know all this? it's called "deductive reasoning".

[xudash]

I have no idea. Then again, neither do you. By your reasoning, Melania must also be a "whore". And all you "dot connecters" must be outraged by the fact that (1) Trump engaged in a quid pro quo with the leader of Ukraine to influence the outcome of this year's election, (2) Stone, Manafort, Kushner, and others connected with the Trump campaign worked with Russian intelligence officials to sabotage the 2016 election, (3) Trump illegally paid hush money to several women to keep them from hurting his election chances in 2016, (4) Trump, Ross, and Republicans all over the country are working to sabotage the 2020 vote of minority citizens and sabotage the Census count for political purposes, and (5) Trump is trying to subvert the postal system to try and disenfranchise voters, and sow distrust in the voting process, for personal and political gain. How do we know all this? it's called "deductive reasoning".

You failed.

[Smails]

I have no idea. Then again, neither do you. By your reasoning, Melania must also be a "whore". And all you "dot connecters" must be outraged by the fact that (1) Trump engaged in a quid pro quo with the leader of Ukraine to influence the outcome of this year's election, (2) Stone, Manafort, Kushner, and others connected with the Trump campaign worked with Russian intelligence officials to sabotage the 2016 election, (3) Trump illegally paid hush money to several women to keep them from hurting his election chances in 2016, (4) Trump, Ross, and Republicans all over the country are working to sabotage the 2020 vote of minority citizens and sabotage the Census count for political purposes, and (5) Trump is trying to subvert the postal system to try and disenfranchise voters, and sow distrust in the voting process, for personal and political gain. How do we know all this? it's called "deductive reasoning".

Ahhh...now you're catching on! The only problem is that some of what you mentioned above has been adjudicated. I look forward to the senate hearings on Kamala's whore status. Should be riveting.

Also do you personally think, based on all of the information that's out there that Kamala slept with Willie Brown for professional gain? Gun to your head..YES or NO.

[bobbiemcgee]

So you are telling me Congress can’t create a bill to expand AHP because a judge ruled against the Trump administration?

I guess they could if you elect 20 more 'pubs.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ahhh...now you're catching on! The only problem is that some of what you mentioned above has been adjudicated. I look forward to the senate hearings on Kamala's whore status. Should be riveting.

Also do you personally think, based on all of the information that's out there that Kamala slept with Willie Brown for professional gain? Gun to your head..YES or NO.

Do you really think the republican senate would bring this up with trump's history. HAHA

[XU_Lou]

Hey Boozehound, PaulXU, and all you other libs - I don't recall you getting exorcized by these t-shirts:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0oTKTT9-skg/WgeyagoJ6LI/AAAAAAAAFk0/jXkpqQ8Rf0wIZY9HAQs2DvdrHg2Y06PEgCLcBGAs/s1600/sarah-palin-is-a-cunt.jpg

https://teechip.com/sarah-palin-is-a-cunt-shirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LutJD0fVCgc

https://www.mannysbookshelf.com/2017/11/the-big-lie-exposing-nazi-roots-of.html

[noteggs]

Well it’s officially approved, Big East will be wearing Black Lives Matter patches next year. Not sure if it’s for BLM or black lives matter?

[xu82]

Well it’s officially approved, Big East will be wearing Black Lives Matter patches next year. Not sure if it’s for BLM or black lives matter?

I’m all for the little letters, but anything that supports the organization will disappoint me. I listen to Pandora as I jog (OK, mostly walk) at the park. Ads come on for the NAACP asking to donate to BLM and I suspect most people are supporting a positive and obvious concept. This is VERY misleading.

[xu82]

Hey Boozehound, PaulXU, and all you other libs - I don't recall you getting exorcized by these t-shirts:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-0oTKTT9-skg/WgeyagoJ6LI/AAAAAAAAFk0/jXkpqQ8Rf0wIZY9HAQs2DvdrHg2Y06PEgCLcBGAs/s1600/sarah-palin-is-a-cunt.jpg

https://teechip.com/sarah-palin-is-a-cunt-shirt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LutJD0fVCgc

https://www.mannysbookshelf.com/2017/11/the-big-lie-exposing-nazi-roots-of.html

But..........can she REALLY see Russia from her driveway???

[bobbiemcgee]

I think John Mc Cain bought one. They buried him with it.

[paulxu]

Hey Boozehound, PaulXU, and all you other libs - I don't recall you getting exorcized by these t-shirts:

Probably because I've not seen them, nor have I ever pushed that narrative.

Don't understand your point; does something I didn't do justify something you are doing?

[XU_Lou]

Probably because I've not seen them, nor have I ever pushed that narrative.

Don't understand your point; does something I didn't do justify something you are doing?

I love it when libs feign ignorance and purity....

[chico]

I have no idea. Then again, neither do you. By your reasoning, Melania must also be a "whore". And all you "dot connecters" must be outraged by the fact that (1) Trump engaged in a quid pro quo with the leader of Ukraine to influence the outcome of this year's election, (2) Stone, Manafort, Kushner, and others connected with the Trump campaign worked with Russian intelligence officials to sabotage the 2016 election, (3) Trump illegally paid hush money to several women to keep them from hurting his election chances in 2016, (4) Trump, Ross, and Republicans all over the country are working to sabotage the 2020 vote of minority citizens and sabotage the Census count for political purposes, and (5) Trump is trying to subvert the postal system to try and disenfranchise voters, and sow distrust in the voting process, for personal and political gain. How do we know all this? it's called "deductive reasoning".


I have no idea what Trump's indiscretions have to Harris' other than to try to deflect what you obviously will never admit, and which to the objective eye is clear as day.

Look, they're all very flawed individuals. You can play "yeah, but what about your guy" all you want, but it would go on forever. Just admit that some of your guys (and gals) may not be the most scrupulous individuals, and you just might salvage some shred of credibility.

[X-man]

I have no idea what Trump's indiscretions have to Harris' other than to try to deflect what you obviously will never admit, and which to the objective eye is clear as day.

Look, they're all very flawed individuals. You can play "yeah, but what about your guy" all you want, but it would go on forever. Just admit that some of your guys (and gals) may not be the most scrupulous individuals, and you just might salvage some shred of credibility.

WTF? it's those that called Harris a "whore" without a shred of evidence, beyond what they "know" because of "deductive reasoning", that made me take this on.

[JTG]

Something tells me those BLM patches aren't going to be real popular in Cintas.

[X Factor]

Something tells me those BLM patches aren't going to be real popular in Cintas.

I'm sure Paul, Bobbie, X-Man, etc. will be happy to give up their homes when the BLM protesters come to their neighborhood.


“Give up your house. Give Black people back their homes.” “what are you going to do about it? Open up your wallets.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBg5T7KkoZU&t=1s

[bobbiemcgee]

I lived in kennedy heights in the late 60's- early 70's. When I went to sell the house, only black people made offers. They should give me my house back? Just as absurd.

[bobbiemcgee]

Looks like Steve Bannon will be joining other Trumpers in jail.

[boozehound]

WTF? it's those that called Harris a "whore" without a shred of evidence, beyond what they "know" because of "deductive reasoning", that made me take this on.

I was actually a lot more interested in the 'who fakes her race' part of the 'whore who fakes her race' comment. All the Trump defenders focused on the 'whore' part, conveniently.

It's funny to me how with a lot of Trump fanatics (Note: Not Republicans - specifically the ardent Trump supporters) will swear that racism has nothing to do with their support of Trump, but then they will throw back a few cold ones and casually drop a pretty clearly racist comment. I have come to believe that for a (not insignificant) portion of Trumpers they are tired of being called a racist when they say racist things. The problem is that they do say racist things, but don't acknowledge their role in that. For example, I have never been called a racist, because I don't say things that are racist. Part of the appeal of Trump is that he says racist and sexist things apologetically, which emboldens them to say racist and sexist things and not feel ashamed when it is pointed out to them that their comments are racist.

Of course they don't think they are racist, which is why I'll be inundated with comments here shortly from about 5 or 6 of these guys calling me a liberal, a snowflake, and saying that I'm a hypocrite for calling it racist to say that a mixed woman 'fakes her race'. This is where the bar is at right now: the combination of thinking Trump is an idiot and also thinking that calling a women a 'whore who fakes her race' is not an appropriate thing to say makes me a flaming liberal.

[XU_Lou]

I was actually a lot more interested in the 'who fakes her race' part of the 'whore who fakes her race' comment. All the Trump defenders focused on the 'whore' part, conveniently.

It's funny to me how with a lot of Trump fanatics (Note: Not Republicans - specifically the ardent Trump supporters) will swear that racism has nothing to do with their support of Trump, but then they will throw back a few cold ones and casually drop a pretty clearly racist comment. I have come to believe that for a (not insignificant) portion of Trumpers they are tired of being called a racist when they say racist things. The problem is that they do say racist things, but don't acknowledge their role in that. For example, I have never been called a racist, because I don't say things that are racist. Part of the appeal of Trump is that he says racist and sexist things apologetically, which emboldens them to say racist and sexist things and not feel ashamed when it is pointed out to them that their comments are racist.

Of course they don't think they are racist, which is why I'll be inundated with comments here shortly from about 5 or 6 of these guys calling me a liberal, a snowflake, and saying that I'm a hypocrite for calling it racist to say that a mixed woman 'fakes her race'. This is where the bar is at right now: the combination of thinking Trump is an idiot and also thinking that calling a women a 'whore who fakes her race' is not an appropriate thing to say makes me a flaming liberal.

Hey Boozehound - just curious, how come you continue to support a political party that is so blatantly anti-white today, and has a long history of racism in its past??

[GoMuskies]

I have never been called a racist

Are you white? If so, that statement is demonstrably false.

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/yes-all-white-people-are-racist-eefa97cc5605

[boozehound]

Hey Boozehound - just curious, how come you continue to support a political party that is so blatantly anti-white today, and has a long history of racism in its past??

I do not support a political party. I know that's really hard for some of you to understand. I do not in any way identify with the Democratic party, or their platform. I am not, nor have I ever been registered as a Democrat. At the present time I view the Democratic candidate as a favorable alternative to Trump. That's where it ends for me. Honestly I'll be surprised if I vote Democrat in 2024 unless Trump somehow runs again.


Are you white? If so, that statement is demonstrably false.

https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/yes-all-white-people-are-racist-eefa97cc5605

I have never been directly called a racist (to my knowledge). I don't really care or concern myself with a bunch of noise about how 'all white people are racist'. There is a whole ridiculous fringe of that type of shit that hasn't negatively impacted my life in any way.

[GoMuskies]

There is a whole ridiculous fringe of that type of shit that hasn't negatively impacted my life in any way.

Yet

[Xville]

I was actually a lot more interested in the 'who fakes her race' part of the 'whore who fakes her race' comment. All the Trump defenders focused on the 'whore' part, conveniently.

It's funny to me how with a lot of Trump fanatics (Note: Not Republicans - specifically the ardent Trump supporters) will swear that racism has nothing to do with their support of Trump, but then they will throw back a few cold ones and casually drop a pretty clearly racist comment. I have come to believe that for a (not insignificant) portion of Trumpers they are tired of being called a racist when they say racist things. The problem is that they do say racist things, but don't acknowledge their role in that. For example, I have never been called a racist, because I don't say things that are racist. Part of the appeal of Trump is that he says racist and sexist things apologetically, which emboldens them to say racist and sexist things and not feel ashamed when it is pointed out to them that their comments are racist.

Of course they don't think they are racist, which is why I'll be inundated with comments here shortly from about 5 or 6 of these guys calling me a liberal, a snowflake, and saying that I'm a hypocrite for calling it racist to say that a mixed woman 'fakes her race'. This is where the bar is at right now: the combination of thinking Trump is an idiot and also thinking that calling a women a 'whore who fakes her race' is not an appropriate thing to say makes me a flaming liberal.

I love a good calling out of "racist people" with stereotyping an entire group of people. Hypocrisy at its finest.

[bjf123]

I have come to believe that for a (not insignificant) portion of Trumpers they are tired of being called a racist when they say racist things. The problem is that they do say racist things, but don't acknowledge their role in that. For example, I have never been called a racist, because I don't say things that are racist.

Guess what? I’ve never been called a racist for saying racist things either. The problem is many Trump supporters are painted with that broad brush in spite of no evidence of it. Are there racist Trump supporters? Of course. Just like there are racist Biden supporters.

I clearly remember when Obama was President and any time someone disagreed with him, they were instantly labeled as racist since there couldn’t be any other reason to disagree. When everything becomes racist, in spite of no evidence, you just stop paying attention.


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[paulxu]

Looks like Steve Bannon will be joining other Trumpers in jail.

Grifters gonna grift.

You might have got some money back from the Trump University con. I don't think you'll get anything back this time around

[boozehound]

Guess what? I’ve never been called a racist for saying racist things either. The problem is many Trump supporters are painted with that broad brush in spite of no evidence of it. Are there racist Trump supporters? Of course. Just like there are racist Biden supporters.

I clearly remember when Obama was President and any time someone disagreed with him, they were instantly labeled as racist since there couldn’t be any other reason to disagree. When everything becomes racist, in spite of no evidence, you just stop paying attention.


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Right. Do you think that part of the 'broad brush' might come from people saying things like referring to a political opponent as a 'whore who fakes her race'? This thread if full of people posting articles and memes to imply that anyone who opposes Trump supports anarchy in Portland and a lawless state with no police. Calling foul when one gets called out for saying something that seems pretty clearly racist seems pretty at odds with that.

[boozehound]

Yet

Maybe you are right. I certainly don't have a crystal ball. I'm just really not that worried about it though. I feel like I've benefited a lot from life circumstance and if I miss out on a promotion or something I'm probably still luckier than most.

I'm a white guy who was born into a happy family. My Mom stayed home and raised the kids. My Dad worked and was very successful. They are still happily married. I graduated college and went into a similar line of work as my father and have been quite successful. I attribute some of that to ability and some of it to my learning how to look / act / talk / think like an executive from a pretty young age.

Obviously my life experience has been much more privileged than most people (including most White People) so I certainly try to understand the experience of other white people who are not similarly privileged.

I don't think that defending your racial turf by saying racist shit on the internet is going to net to a positive result though.

[paulxu]

The website is still up! Not to late to donate. Just check out this impressive advisory board:

https://webuildthewall.us/ourteam/

[Muskie in dayton]

I'm a white guy who was born into a happy family. My Mom stayed home and raised the kids. My Dad worked and was very successful. They are still happily married. I graduated college and went into a similar line of work as my father and have been quite successful. I attribute some of that to ability and some of it to my learning how to look / act / talk / think like an executive from a pretty young age.

Obviously my life experience has been much more privileged than most people (including most White People) so I certainly try to understand the experience of other white people who are not similarly privileged.
Are you suggesting that having a 2-parent family, where the parents work and raise their kids is “white privilege”?

[XU_Lou]

I do not support a political party. I know that's really hard for some of you to understand. I do not in any way identify with the Democratic party, or their platform. I am not, nor have I ever been registered as a Democrat. At the present time I view the Democratic candidate as a favorable alternative to Trump. That's where it ends for me. Honestly I'll be surprised if I vote Democrat in 2024 unless Trump somehow runs again.

I have never been directly called a racist (to my knowledge). I don't really care or concern myself with a bunch of noise about how 'all white people are racist'. There is a whole ridiculous fringe of that type of shit that hasn't negatively impacted my life in any way.

This is soooo laughable... You white, snowflake libs are so obsessed with race, but you keep voting for the most racist party this country has ever seen.

Lets review: The Democrat Party is the party of slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, Bull Conor, Robert Byrd, Trail of Tears, Japanese Internment Camps, opposition to Brown v. Board of Education, concentrating of abortion clinics in black neighborhoods - and lets not forget Gov. Ralph "blackface" Northam....

[chico]

WTF? it's those that called Harris a "whore" without a shred of evidence, beyond what they "know" because of "deductive reasoning", that made me take this on.

I never called her a "whore" but took exception to the fact that you keep asking for more proof when it's pretty clear what happened. Then you decide to do the "what about the other guy" routine. Short of a confession it's pretty clear that you won't admit to any of it. And I'm no Trump supporter by any means, I just find it hypocritical that people can't use any critical thought when it comes to their own parties' weaknesses/indiscretions.

[bobbiemcgee]

This is soooo laughable... You white, snowflake libs are so obsessed with race, but you keep voting for the most racist party this country has ever seen.

Lets review: The Democrat Party is the party of slavery, KKK, Jim Crow, Bull Conor, Robert Byrd, Trail of Tears, Japanese Internment Camps, opposition to Brown v. Board of Education, concentrating of abortion clinics in black neighborhoods - and lets not forget Gov. Ralph "blackface" Northam....

And you trumpers love Q Anon and criminals like Bannon, Flynn, etc. Any difference?

[XU_Lou]

And you trumpers love Q Anon and criminals like Bannon, Flynn, etc. Any difference?

Bahahahaha!!!

[X-man]

I never called her a "whore" but took exception to the fact that you keep asking for more proof when it's pretty clear what happened. Then you decide to do the "what about the other guy" routine. Short of a confession it's pretty clear that you won't admit to any of it. And I'm no Trump supporter by any means, I just find it hypocritical that people can't use any critical thought when it comes to their own parties' weaknesses/indiscretions.

I couldn't agree more.

[X-man]

I never called her a "whore" but took exception to the fact that you keep asking for more proof when it's pretty clear what happened. Then you decide to do the "what about the other guy" routine. Short of a confession it's pretty clear that you won't admit to any of it. And I'm no Trump supporter by any means, I just find it hypocritical that people can't use any critical thought when it comes to their own parties' weaknesses/indiscretions.

No more clear than the "connecting the dots" statements I made about Trump allegations. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

[Smails]

No more clear than the "connecting the dots" statements I made about Trump allegations. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Whew..at least we're all aligned that connecting the dots is a reasonable way to draw a conclusion. I knew you'd come around.

[X-man]

Whew..at least we're all aligned that connecting the dots is a reasonable way to draw a conclusion. I knew you'd come around.

Glad to see that you agree with my analysis on "dear leader".

[GoMuskies]

Lori Lightfoot is a terrible person.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-lightfoot-home-protests-20200820-s563zjj4uzc2rcbprrruzalwaq-story.html?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

[Xville]

Lori Lightfoot is a terrible person.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-chicago-police-lightfoot-home-protests-20200820-s563zjj4uzc2rcbprrruzalwaq-story.html?__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true&__twitter_impression=true

Sums up a lib perfectly

[bobbiemcgee]

The website is still up! Not to late to donate. Just check out this impressive advisory board:

https://webuildthewall.us/ourteam/

Maybe fox news will stop saying it's so wonderful. Bunch of morons.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-fox-news-helped-boost-steve-bannons-we-build-the-wall-fiasco

[X Factor]

This is the future of the Democrat Party...crazy Lib millennials are going to keep voting for people like this because they promise free college tuition, universal healthcare, and they want to get rid of the police.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/20/teenage-kansas-democrat-who-admitted-to-revenge-porn-wins-primary/

[bobbiemcgee]

Quoting the far right brietbart the day their former executive chairman and his cronies get indicted for fraud. Classic.

[X Factor]

Quoting the far right brietbart the day their former executive chairman and his cronies get indicted for fraud. Classic.

Typical lib...just deflect and hope no one notices the facts. Did you even read the article?

[paulxu]

Typical lib...just deflect and hope no one notices the facts. Did you even read the article?

I read the article. I noticed the state Democratic party and governor disowned the kid, and were not happy about him being elected to the state legislature.

Conversely, although originally the Republican congressional heads disowned this woman, when she won the primary in a Republican Georgia district (almost guaranteeing she'll be in the US Congress next term) the president, congratulated and welcomed her.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/11/politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-georgia-runoff-qanon-conspiracy-theory/index.html

[Xville]

Yeah let's not act like both sides dont have their crazies...sadly the crazier the better in terms of getting elected right now.

[Smails]

Glad to see that you agree with my analysis on "dear leader".

I can certainly get behind some of it...no question. Just like you have come around on the Veep candidate sleeping her way up. This is progress!

[XU 87]

More liberal double standards. "I support the protesters, even when they commit violence. Just don't protest in my neighborhood." This is followed by, "You don't need more police protection, but I sure do."

There's no standard like a double standard.

https://wgntv.com/news/chicago-news/chicago-police-ban-protests-near-mayor-lightfoots-home/

[X-man]

This is the future of the Democrat Party...crazy Lib millennials are going to keep voting for people like this because they promise free college tuition, universal healthcare, and they want to get rid of the police.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/20/teenage-kansas-democrat-who-admitted-to-revenge-porn-wins-primary/
Of course the Dem's don't have a monopoly on crazy fucks. Just ask Republican Marjorie Greene of Georgia about her views.

[Juice]

Mail in voting went very well in Paterson, New Jersey


On Wednesday, a New Jersey judge ruled that the election in Paterson, N.J., had been irreversibly tainted and ordered a new vote to be held in November to settle the race for the City Council seat.

The superior court judge, Ernest M. Caposela, wrote that the election “was not the fair, free and full expression of the intent of the voters.”


The state attorney general, Gurbir S. Grewal, started an investigation and in June charged four men, including Mr. Mendez and another councilman, with the unauthorized possession of ballots. The two elected officials were accused of delivering mail-in ballots that were not theirs and of submitting voter registration applications for people who were not eligible to vote.


Eight years prior, a Paterson councilman and his wife were charged with conspiring to collect and submit fraudulent ballots during a 2010 local election.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/19/nyregion/nj-election-mail-voting-fraud.html

[paulxu]

Does this mean Trump's mailed in ballot, which he had a 3rd party deliver, doesn't count?

I believe this was the only significant election voting fraud in recent history:


The largest case of election fraud in recent U.S. history took place during the 2018 midterm elections and involved third-party ballot collection. A GOP operative illegally collected and potentially tampered with ballots in a U.S. House race in North Carolina, eventually leading state authorities to overturn the election results.

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/19/903886567/trump-while-attacking-mail-voting-casts-mail-ballot-again

[X-man]

Does this mean Trump's mailed in ballot, which he had a 3rd party deliver, doesn't count?

I believe this was the only significant election voting fraud in recent history:



https://www.npr.org/2020/08/19/903886567/trump-while-attacking-mail-voting-casts-mail-ballot-again

Facts??? We don't need no stinking facts.

[xudash]

Maybe you are right. I certainly don't have a crystal ball. I'm just really not that worried about it though. I feel like I've benefited a lot from life circumstance and if I miss out on a promotion or something I'm probably still luckier than most.

I'm a white guy who was born into a happy family. My Mom stayed home and raised the kids. My Dad worked and was very successful. They are still happily married. I graduated college and went into a similar line of work as my father and have been quite successful. I attribute some of that to ability and some of it to my learning how to look / act / talk / think like an executive from a pretty young age.

Obviously my life experience has been much more privileged than most people (including most White People) so I certainly try to understand the experience of other white people who are not similarly privileged.

I don't think that defending your racial turf by saying racist shit on the internet is going to net to a positive result though.

I figured I would respond after all. And I believe I will have responded enough for a while as a result of all this. I had done so well recently to stay out of this stupid thread. Time to try that again.

Part I: Let’s get started.

You are truly sanctimonious. I believe you called me a piece of shit for my disposition and thoughts toward Kamala Harris, and you did so because you found my comments to be in bad form, improper, poor protocol – whatever. I believe you then accused me of being a “Trumper” and not knowing what good behavior is all about, in so many words.

Allow me to suggest, if you are going to attempt to correct someone whose behavior you believe to be inappropriate, while otherwise labeling them in a certain fashion, that you have sufficient information about them for the labeling piece and don’t use inappropriate behavior on your part to make your point.

Perhaps you believe your behavior is justified, because you are enlightened? Well, it isn’t. You jumped into the gutter with me. Besides, the Left disparages conservatives all the time. Those recently posted pictures of Palin t-shirts are vicious examples of that. Admit it: you enjoyed and laughed at those pictures. What goes around sometimes comes back around, and it is going to come back around A LOT with Creepy Joe and Harris. It’s going to be bumpy from now until the election. Of course, it will continue to be bumpy from then on in this world we now live in.

So, you came from a good family and you did well and had a good career. As a fellow Xavier graduate, I am truly happy for you. I’m serious about that.

As far as I go, I only achieved success at a prestigious commercial bank, and then at a prestigious investment bank subsidiary, and then I formed a bank holding company with a founder group of five individuals that went on to own a bank (industrial charter; Utah) and mortgage company, and followed that up with other entrepreneurial opportunities, a couple which worked and a couple of which failed (no one bats a thousand, as they say). I did that through my Xavier education, hard work and through a reputation that was built on good character and decorum. I was appointed by the Mayor of Jacksonville to serve on one of the city’s committees. I won’t bother to list some other stuff. Oh, and I came from a good, strong family, too.

You didn’t share where you stand on philanthropy (I really don’t care, since you didn’t find it important enough to post about that initially). As I’ve noted before on this board, my life also has involved philanthropic efforts that primarily include time, treasure and talent provided in the form of board involvement and donations to Florida’s oldest child services agency, efforts on behalf of and structured and miscellaneous contributions to Xavier (to the tune of multiple commitments that have involved six-digit giving), the Catholic Church, and other worthy opportunities presented to us from time to time.

Liberals talk a big game when it comes to charity, and some back up their talk. Others cut checks and feel good and righteous. Same thing happens on the other side of the aisle. I just know that, in my case, beyond the board involvement and the giving to the child services agency, I’ve actually had the pleasure and the eye-opening experience of spending time with the children. These are all highly disadvantaged children and families of all races. If anyone doesn’t understand what our Xavier education is partially about, then I’ll invite them to join me in, as one example, reading a book to a wonderful 9-year old black boy who was looking for love, but whose father put a cigarette out on his forehead and beat him before he was taken into protective custody through the state and placed into this private agency.

[xudash]

Part II

You strike me as someone who believes that most conservatives are rednecks, the great unwashed and what Hillary Clinton laughingly coined “deplorables”. That will go down as one of the most disgusting and stupid political blunders in history, but that is what the world looks like to these pathetic people. Does that encompass you? If it does, then you are pulling your trigger too quickly. I’m not a “Trumper”.

It isn’t about being a “Trumper”. It is about attempting to understand where the two parties stand – their base platforms - and what they believe in, and making a choice between those positions, which have become increasingly distant from one another.

I’m going to vote for Trump and Pence, because they’re the only ones who are focused on doing what is right for the United States. Biden is a career political hack. I believe Harris to be sinister and not aligned with the best interests of the United States – Harris as compared to Pence – he runs laps around her!

What do you liberals stand for? I am primarily about:

1. Making the U.S. economy the priority, including trade agreements that do not harm American interests.
2. Maintaining serious pressure on China, which I believe to be a dangerous, 21st Century problem; communist regimes do not play nice or fair.
3. Legal immigration. Period. Fix a mess that has been kicked down the road for decades.
4. Strong national defense.
5. Law and order.

How does the Democratic Party present itself? One clear, absolute way to look at governance by Democrats is to look at what is going on in the states and cities politically controlled by them. Not exactly a shining beacon of light when it comes to that, both fiscally speaking and with respect for America. At the Federal level, just like Obama, who was a terrible President, we are faced with his older empty-suit lacky, who is a babbling mess, and his “gifted” opportunist. Yours is the party of globalism, George Soros, anarchy, fiscal calamity, American weakness, big government, absurd energy policy (and that doesn’t mean neglecting the environment) – on the list goes. Yours is the party of faked government documents and false accusations and circus impeachments. Yours is the party of Pelosi and company who attempt to pump superfluous legislation into COVID-19 relief packages for desperate citizens.

Sorry, but Far Left means FAR LEFT: it is extreme by definition. Spitting on and beating up police that are present to protect the right to demonstrate, burning the US Flag, destroying federal buildings, looting and destruction…. That is all “constructive activity” looking for socialist change? This isn't f'ing Venezuela or the USSR! We don't want socialism here. BLM the good idea has been co-opted by Democratic-supported blm far left thugs. Police reform where needed? Absolutely. Defund the police? Not a good idea, to be polite.

Don’t attempt to come back with the argument that says these people do not represent the Democratic Party. Everyone and their mother know that Democratic politicians have and must embrace these lunatics in order to achieve political gains. Whether you like it or not – and if you like it, then – whatever, the Far Left is a part of the Democratic Party.

[xudash]

Part III

Now, in beginning to sum up, I have news for you: I acknowledge that my comments about Harris were in bad form. I posted them on purpose. Why did I do it? Well, mostly because her conduct during the Kavanaugh hearings was deplorable (neat word), and because I find her to be a truly shallow, terrible human being that is hellbent on a political course that has nothing to do with what made this nation great or with what will keep it that way.

She blows in the political wind on policy without having true conviction. Example? Bernie’s Medicare for all: Preparing for a run for president, Harris became the first senator to co-sponsor Bernie Sanders’ Medicare for All bill. Once she ran for president, she dropped her support and came up with her own bill that was such a mind-meld of moderate and progressive takes that even she struggled to explain it during the debates. An opportunist, looking for an angle, not a person with conviction looking for sound policy; just a political leftist hack looking to use her various talents to ascend the political ladder.

Finally, we have the “whore” thing and the “race” thing. People like you and X-Man WANT EVIDENCE that she slept her way to the top. Hard evidence. That’s final. Otherwise, every damn thing that is known about her and printed about her, including her own statement about Willie being an albatross around her neck as a result of her sucking Willie’s willie, etc. doesn’t matter! You guys provided a perfect look into the bent liberal mind with that defense. Some of us are laughing at you, not with you on this one. You look like fools here.

As for the “race” thing, well I said she “faked her race”. She is part Jamaican and part Indian. In most circles of any kind, people are going to conclude that she has zero connection to the African Continent, which is normally deemed to be the place of origin of African Americans. The key, objective additive statement to this is that, enslaved Africans landed in Jamaica “and all these other Caribbean islands.” So, her father is of black heritage, we're told, and she believes – a dangerous word to use in her case – she is a black woman, because her father’s lineage allows that. Okay.

It really doesn’t matter. She is still a piece of human crap.

Moving on.

[paulxu]

Dash, just a historical note on your last post.
Whatever Harris claims, in our not too distant past, in many states in the country, if you had even "one drop" of black blood, you were considered black, and subject to the segregation laws.
Strange turn of events where at one time you were black with one drop, now you're not black (or I guess not black enough) when your father was black.
Sort of reminds me of the Obama days...his dad was from Africa and his mom from Kansas(?). But often he wasn't "black enough."

[boozehound]

Honestly if your initial response had been an admission that your comments were in bad form I would have been good with that and just moved on. Many pages of doubling down (some from yourself most from others) ensued along with a nearly surgical attempt to explain it.

I never asked for evidence that she 'slept her way to the top' nor did I really latch on to the 'whore' part of that comment at all. I still don't really get the explanation about 'faking her race' but that doesn't really matter. I think you are conflating my position with X-man.

You keep asking me to explain liberalism as though I'm a liberal, which I'm not. I'm probably closer to a moderate / conservative who thinks that Trump is pretty much never the lesser of two evils. There actually seem to be quite a few of those. I also don't (Trump not withstanding) buy into the whole 'hate the other parties candidates' thing. I have voted for Obama, George W Bush, and Mitt Romney for example. I think they are all good people who were / are doing what they think is best for the country, even if I don't agree with all of their positions on individual issues.

For fun: Here is where I come down on your conservative values:

1. Making the U.S. economy the priority, including trade agreements that do not harm American interests. - I agree with you here. Taking on China is one (maybe the only) thing that I think Trump has generally done well on. I think many Presidents (both Democrat and Republican) sacrificed the long term health of the American economy and worker for short term gains and cheap goods from overseas along with Chinese investment in America.

2. Maintaining serious pressure on China, which I believe to be a dangerous, 21st Century problem; communist regimes do not play nice or fair. - See above. I agree 100%. Let's include Russia in that one too.

3. Legal immigration. Period. Fix a mess that has been kicked down the road for decades. - We probably differ on what this means, but I support border control and legal immigration. I think we should tailor our immigration policy so that we attract people with the skills we need for our economy, whether it's software engineering or picking fruit.

4. Strong national defense. - We probably differ on the degree of this. I'm all in favor of strong national defense, but I do think we spend too much of a portion of our GDP on defense spending while we are racking up a national debt that we can probably never repay.

5. Law and order. - We probably differ on the degree of this as well

Edit: I genuinely appreciate the fact that you posted a thought out response, so I felt it appropriate to respond in kind. Hopefully you take it in the spirit in which it's intended.

[paulxu]

Booze, you're probably in good company.

Neither one of the Bush presidents voted for Trump.

[xu82]

Politics brings out the worst in all of us, it seems. Especially the politicians. I’m a fiscal conservative who wants to keep the government out of my business. I’ve gotten to where I hate that you have to go WAY left or WAY right to get attention. I’d fall in the middle on most things. I hate most politicians and wish we had better choices, but it is what it is at this point.

Was it Plato who said something like “the problem with avoiding politics is you end up being governed by your inferiors”? Apparently this is not a new thing.....

[X Factor]

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for the continuation of this type of behavior...and there are a lot of white people in this crowd too.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296680721591889922

[bobbiemcgee]

so a vote for trump would be represented by the "very fine people in Charlottesville?"...and QAnon candidates?

Crazies on both sides.

[Juice]

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for the continuation of this type of behavior...and there are a lot of white people in this crowd too.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296680721591889922

I believe they're called allies.

[xuphan]

A vote for the Democrats is a vote for the continuation of this type of behavior...and there are a lot of white people in this crowd too.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296680721591889922

What does the Republican Party see in Trump? Make America Great Again is now Keep America Great. So, he has made America great during his almost four years in office and we must re-elect him to keep this country great? Sorry, but I don’t see what he has done to make this country so much greater than it was previous. Is this the best the Republican Party can bring to the table?

What does the Democratic Party see in Biden? A career politician who is getting up there in age just doesn’t strike me as a great choice to be the Democratic nominee for president. His support for violent protest and defunding police doesn’t sit well with me. Is this the best the Democratic Party can bring to the table.

It looks like I will be voting for the candidate who will do the least damage to this country. I don’t believe either is a very exciting choice to be president. So, sell me on why I should vote for either Trump or Biden?

[bobbiemcgee]

trump jacked up his DC hotel prices to 800-2000 a night but he's not profiting from the presidency.

[Smails]

so a vote for trump would be represented by the "very fine people in Charlottesville?"...and QAnon candidates?

Crazies on both sides.

Could you imagine if Charlottesville went on for 80 straight days/nights...and in 10 different cities? 99% of the people on the planet (sans DJT which was completely ridiculous), democrats and republicans, loudly denounced what went on in Charlottesville. Why in the world is the left so silent on what is happening in our cities? No mention of the violence in Biden's 'earth shattering speech' the other night. Why is the BLM movement not denouncing the way their message is being bastardized? I think there are 2 possible answers. 1) They like the chaos and are willing to watch cities be destroyed if it means ousting the President...or 2) They're cowards too afraid to commit political suicide and are sitting on the sidelines watching people suffer.

[bobbiemcgee]

Reasons not to vote for trump

43 million Americans filed unemployment claims in the last 20 weeks.
13 million jobs lost since assuming office.
Oversaw 14.7% U-3 unemployment rate.
Oversaw 19.7% real U-3 unemployment rate.
Oversaw 22.8% U-6 unemployment rate.
Oversaw 23.7% of the workforce unemployed.
More than doubled black unemployment.
Tripled Hispanic unemployment.
Tripled Asian unemployment.
Tripled women unemployment.
Tripled white unemployment.
Nearly tripled youth unemployment.
Tripled the official unemployment rate.
26 trillion national debt.
Oversaw the end of the longest economic expansion in history.
5% GDP contraction for Q1 2020.
Increased taxes on 10 million+ Americans.
Projected $3.7+ trillion deficit for 2020.
Projected 5.6% GDP contraction for 2020.
Projected to add $6.5 trillion to national debt in one-term.
Highest unemployment rate in 80 years and since the Great Depression.
Signed a $2 trillion tax cut bill that gives 83% of benefits to the top 1% and large corporations.
tax cut was to increase GDP and reduce deficit. It didn't
20,000+ public lies since taking office.
3,000+ current conflicts of interest.
3,500+ lawsuits filed.
Cut 700,000 poor people from food stamps.
Committed 10’s of impeachable offenses.
Impeached president.
Administration with the most criminal indictments in U.S history.
Called African countries “shithole” countries.
Mocked a disabled reporter.
Called a group with Nazis “fine people”.
Started a fake university to exploit students.
Shifted kids-cancer charity money to his business.
25 women have accused the president of sexual misconduct.
Openly bragged about sexual assault “Grab ‘em by the pussy”.
Paid off a porn star he slept with while Melania was pregnant with Barron.
Has appointed the most billionaires to administrative positions in U.S history.
Says John McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was “captured”.
Made a personal donor with no experience head of the Post Office.
Appointed the most partisan and corrupt attorney general in U.S history.
Appointed an attorney general who reversed civil rights protections for transgender people in the workplace.
Implemented a ban on transgender people from serving in the military.
Attempted to cut HUD funding for affordable public housing.
Trying to dismantle the Post Office to win election
55%% of the country disapproves of Trump.
Refers to women he doesn’t like as "fat pigs," "slobs," “dogs," and “nasty”.
Had a close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
Accused a senior who was severally injured by police of a “fake fall” and being in “Antifa”.
Signed an executive order that hurt social media companies after having a tweet fact-checked.
Claims to be a self-made billionaire when he actually inherited $413 million from his father.
Caused the longest government shutdown in American history.
Still hasn’t released his tax returns.
Assisted the Saudis in covering up Khashoggi’s murder.
Denies climate change.
Drastically increased oil and gas production.
Unwound 50 years of environmental regulation protections.
Withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord.
Made a climate-denier head of the EPA.
On track to drastically expand offshore oil drilling.
Increased annual military spending by $130 billion.
Increased drone strikes by 432%.
Abandoned the Kurds in Syria.
Almost started a war with Iran.
Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal
Has dropped 10,000’s of bombs in the Middle East.
Had BLM protestors teargassed so he could pose for a bible photo-opt.
Executively started a trade war with no strategy.
Called Mexican immigrants “criminals” and “rapists”.
Put restrictions on legal immigration.
Has begun the removal of protections for Dreamers.
Keeping 70,000 migrant children in custody as well as cages.
Gave more power to ICE.
Separated deported immigrant children from their families.
Picked an education secretary who’s out to gut public education.
Picked an education secretary who increased protections for those accused of sexual assault.
Attempted to cut the Department of Education’s budget for the fourth consecutive year.
Repealed Net Neutrality.
50 million more Americans are projected to be uninsured for healthcare.
Deliberately raised ACA premiums for 7.3 million people.
Lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes in 2016.
5 million coronavirus cases.
175,000 coronavirus deaths.
Most coronavirus cases of any other country.
Most coronavirus deaths of any other country.
Cut the CDC budget in both 2018 and 2019.
Encouraged people to drink chloroquine to fight the coronavirus.
Encouraged people to inject disinfectants to fight the coronavirus.

- mostly sourced from Reddit posts

[X-man]

Could you imagine if Charlottesville went on for 80 straight days/nights...and in 10 different cities? 99% of the people on the planet (sans DJT which was completely ridiculous), democrats and republicans, loudly denounced what went on in Charlottesville. Why in the world is the left so silent on what is happening in our cities? No mention of the violence in Biden's 'earth shattering speech' the other night. Why is the BLM movement not denouncing the way their message is being bastardized? I think there are 2 possible answers. 1) They like the chaos and are willing to watch cities be destroyed if it means ousting the President...or 2) They're cowards too afraid to commit political suicide and are sitting on the sidelines watching people suffer.
Actually the protesters, including Black Lives Matter protesters, have denounced the looters and the violent. As much as Trump and the right would like you to believe that they are one and the same, they are not. And there are not, as someone once said, "fine people on both sides".

[X Factor]

Thank you Bobbie for letting us know that you cannot be taken seriously, and you have no intentions of being intellectually honest.

Trump will be re-elected. He will get more Black and Hispanic votes than in '16. The Libs, like yourself, and the media, will continue to scream racism. It's so predictable.

You're going to vote for a old, senile man with 50 years of political experience without a damn thing to show for it. Yet you think he's going to "make it all better".

[Xville]

Reasons not to vote for trump

43 million Americans filed unemployment claims in the last 20 weeks.
13 million jobs lost since assuming office.
Oversaw 14.7% U-3 unemployment rate.
Oversaw 19.7% real U-3 unemployment rate.
Oversaw 22.8% U-6 unemployment rate.
Oversaw 23.7% of the workforce unemployed.
More than doubled black unemployment.
Tripled Hispanic unemployment.
Tripled Asian unemployment.
Tripled women unemployment.
Tripled white unemployment.
Nearly tripled youth unemployment.
Tripled the official unemployment rate.
26 trillion national debt.
Oversaw the end of the longest economic expansion in history.
5% GDP contraction for Q1 2020.
Increased taxes on 10 million+ Americans.
Projected $3.7+ trillion deficit for 2020.
Projected 5.6% GDP contraction for 2020.
Projected to add $6.5 trillion to national debt in one-term.
Highest unemployment rate in 80 years and since the Great Depression.
Signed a $2 trillion tax cut bill that gives 83% of benefits to the top 1% and large corporations.
tax cut was to increase GDP and reduce deficit. It didn't
20,000+ public lies since taking office.
3,000+ current conflicts of interest.
3,500+ lawsuits filed.
Cut 700,000 poor people from food stamps.
Committed 10’s of impeachable offenses.
Impeached president.
Administration with the most criminal indictments in U.S history.
Called African countries “shithole” countries.
Mocked a disabled reporter.
Called a group with Nazis “fine people”.
Started a fake university to exploit students.
Shifted kids-cancer charity money to his business.
25 women have accused the president of sexual misconduct.
Openly bragged about sexual assault “Grab ‘em by the pussy”.
Paid off a porn star he slept with while Melania was pregnant with Barron.
Has appointed the most billionaires to administrative positions in U.S history.
Says John McCain wasn’t a war hero because he was “captured”.
Made a personal donor with no experience head of the Post Office.
Appointed the most partisan and corrupt attorney general in U.S history.
Appointed an attorney general who reversed civil rights protections for transgender people in the workplace.
Implemented a ban on transgender people from serving in the military.
Attempted to cut HUD funding for affordable public housing.
Trying to dismantle the Post Office to win election
55%% of the country disapproves of Trump.
Refers to women he doesn’t like as "fat pigs," "slobs," “dogs," and “nasty”.
Had a close relationship with Jeffrey Epstein.
Accused a senior who was severally injured by police of a “fake fall” and being in “Antifa”.
Signed an executive order that hurt social media companies after having a tweet fact-checked.
Claims to be a self-made billionaire when he actually inherited $413 million from his father.
Caused the longest government shutdown in American history.
Still hasn’t released his tax returns.
Assisted the Saudis in covering up Khashoggi’s murder.
Denies climate change.
Drastically increased oil and gas production.
Unwound 50 years of environmental regulation protections.
Withdrew from the Paris Climate Accord.
Made a climate-denier head of the EPA.
On track to drastically expand offshore oil drilling.
Increased annual military spending by $130 billion.
Increased drone strikes by 432%.
Abandoned the Kurds in Syria.
Almost started a war with Iran.
Withdrew from the Iran Nuclear Deal
Has dropped 10,000’s of bombs in the Middle East.
Had BLM protestors teargassed so he could pose for a bible photo-opt.
Executively started a trade war with no strategy.
Called Mexican immigrants “criminals” and “rapists”.
Put restrictions on legal immigration.
Has begun the removal of protections for Dreamers.
Keeping 70,000 migrant children in custody as well as cages.
Gave more power to ICE.
Separated deported immigrant children from their families.
Picked an education secretary who’s out to gut public education.
Picked an education secretary who increased protections for those accused of sexual assault.
Attempted to cut the Department of Education’s budget for the fourth consecutive year.
Repealed Net Neutrality.
50 million more Americans are projected to be uninsured for healthcare.
Deliberately raised ACA premiums for 7.3 million people.
Lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes in 2016.
5 million coronavirus cases.
175,000 coronavirus deaths.
Most coronavirus cases of any other country.
Most coronavirus deaths of any other country.
Cut the CDC budget in both 2018 and 2019.
Encouraged people to drink chloroquine to fight the coronavirus.
Encouraged people to inject disinfectants to fight the coronavirus.

- mostly sourced from Reddit posts

Most of these are misleading or just downright lies which you denounce trump for but you are doing the same exact thing...great work and pretty commonplace for your posts.

[XU_Lou]

Most of these are misleading or just downright lies which you denounce trump for but you are doing the same exact thing...great work and pretty commonplace for your posts.

He simply regurgitates whatever the mainstream media spews - which of course we all know, they always tell the truth....

Hey Xville - be careful - sounds like Tuesday in the Ville is going to be crazy. All kinds of facts and rumors of many groups coming to town to create total mayhem. I've been following this group to keep abreast of what's happening: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2027964934099596/

[paulxu]

Most of these are misleading or just downright lies which you denounce trump for but you are doing the same exact thing...great work and pretty commonplace for your posts.

Pick out a couple for me that are "downright lies." I'm curious.

[Muskie in dayton]

Pick out a couple for me that are "downright lies." I'm curious.
Well to start, while technically not lies, the first 14 are due to the virus..... err.... the media way over-sensationalizing the virus. In fact the polar opposite was true 6 months ago. When I see this kind of crap, and I hear Biden attribute this crap to Trump, I’m disgusted. Are people stupid enough to blame Trump for this??? Really??? I can’t stand Trump, but this crap makes me want to vote for him out of spite.

[paulxu]

You make a good point, but that's the age old argument: a president takes credit for the good things (I created the best....etc.) then he gets credit for the bad things. Especially the ones he is directly responsible for, and there are a lot on that list.

I'm inclined to go with these 70 former Republicans who served in a variety of capacities in National Security on which way to go this year:

https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/

They list 10 reasons that they think we should consider, and why those reasons compel them to support Biden. This is not the media over-stating anything.
The downside is, as one Republican noted, by doing this they help the country remove a danger to itself...but may write them out of a needed conversation on remaking the Republican party after Trump has gone.

[Juice]

You make a good point, but that's the age old argument: a president takes credit for the good things (I created the best....etc.) then he gets credit for the bad things. Especially the ones he is directly responsible for, and there are a lot on that list.

I'm inclined to go with these 70 former Republicans who served in a variety of capacities in National Security on which way to go this year:

https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/

They list 10 reasons that they think we should consider, and why those reasons compel them to support Biden. This is not the media over-stating anything.
The downside is, as one Republican noted, by doing this they help the country remove a danger to itself...but may write them out of a needed conversation on remaking the Republican party after Trump has gone.

Those are the same people that led this country into endless wars in the Middle East and are pissed off that they have no influence in this country anymore. It's actually a positive (for Trump) those losers are endorsing Biden. They are funded by Democrats and led by Bill Kristol.

They are the same as Kasich and other Never Trump Republicans. They lost influence because their policies failed or turned out not to be Republicans in the first place.

[Xville]

You make a good point, but that's the age old argument: a president takes credit for the good things (I created the best....etc.) then he gets credit for the bad things. Especially the ones he is directly responsible for, and there are a lot on that list.

I'm inclined to go with these 70 former Republicans who served in a variety of capacities in National Security on which way to go this year:

https://www.defendingdemocracytogether.org/national-security/

They list 10 reasons that they think we should consider, and why those reasons compel them to support Biden. This is not the media over-stating anything.
The downside is, as one Republican noted, by doing this they help the country remove a danger to itself...but may write them out of a needed conversation on remaking the Republican party after Trump has gone.

Lol a bunch of former beaurecrats who no longer have any power are made at trump for hurting their feelings.

[Xville]

Pick out a couple for me that are "downright lies." I'm curious.

The beginning, the middle and the end.

[Xville]

Actually the protesters, including Black Lives Matter protesters, have denounced the looters and the violent. As much as Trump and the right would like you to believe that they are one and the same, they are not. And there are not, as someone once said, "fine people on both sides".

You live in a wonderful fantasyland. It's a shame the rest of us live in reality.

[X Factor]

You live in a wonderful fantasyland. It's a shame the rest of us live in reality.

No kidding. BLM protesters are the ones rioting and looting. They're the ones marching through residential neighborhoods yelling obscene chants at night trying to disturb the peace. Where are the denouncements from BLM and the Democrats?

Trump DID denounce and condemn Neo-Nazis and White supremacists in Charlottesville. To say otherwise is a lie and a hoax.

[Xville]

He simply regurgitates whatever the mainstream media spews - which of course we all know, they always tell the truth....

Hey Xville - be careful - sounds like Tuesday in the Ville is going to be crazy. All kinds of facts and rumors of many groups coming to town to create total mayhem. I've been following this group to keep abreast of what's happening: https://www.facebook.com/groups/2027964934099596/

When you got a wimp for a mayor, and a wimp for a governor....this is the kind of crap that happens. Fischer only cares about his career aspirations so he doesnt want to upset his voting block, and beshear is only tough when it comes to preaching on coronavirus. Both dems, shocking I know....next to us, is indiana a state run by republicans that has surpassed ky in every way, and with a major city (indianapolis) that while under republican control saw extreme growth and prosperity. Sadly now it is run by dems so it will probably turn into Detroit soon enough.

[xudash]

Honestly if your initial response had been an admission that your comments were in bad form I would have been good with that and just moved on. Many pages of doubling down (some from yourself most from others) ensued along with a nearly surgical attempt to explain it.

I never asked for evidence that she 'slept her way to the top' nor did I really latch on to the 'whore' part of that comment at all. I still don't really get the explanation about 'faking her race' but that doesn't really matter. I think you are conflating my position with X-man.

You keep asking me to explain liberalism as though I'm a liberal, which I'm not. I'm probably closer to a moderate / conservative who thinks that Trump is pretty much never the lesser of two evils. There actually seem to be quite a few of those. I also don't (Trump not withstanding) buy into the whole 'hate the other parties candidates' thing. I have voted for Obama, George W Bush, and Mitt Romney for example. I think they are all good people who were / are doing what they think is best for the country, even if I don't agree with all of their positions on individual issues.

For fun: Here is where I come down on your conservative values:

1. Making the U.S. economy the priority, including trade agreements that do not harm American interests. - I agree with you here. Taking on China is one (maybe the only) thing that I think Trump has generally done well on. I think many Presidents (both Democrat and Republican) sacrificed the long term health of the American economy and worker for short term gains and cheap goods from overseas along with Chinese investment in America.

2. Maintaining serious pressure on China, which I believe to be a dangerous, 21st Century problem; communist regimes do not play nice or fair. - See above. I agree 100%. Let's include Russia in that one too.

3. Legal immigration. Period. Fix a mess that has been kicked down the road for decades. - We probably differ on what this means, but I support border control and legal immigration. I think we should tailor our immigration policy so that we attract people with the skills we need for our economy, whether it's software engineering or picking fruit.

4. Strong national defense. - We probably differ on the degree of this. I'm all in favor of strong national defense, but I do think we spend too much of a portion of our GDP on defense spending while we are racking up a national debt that we can probably never repay.

5. Law and order. - We probably differ on the degree of this as well

Edit: I genuinely appreciate the fact that you posted a thought out response, so I felt it appropriate to respond in kind. Hopefully you take it in the spirit in which it's intended.

First and foremost, I am all for constructive debate and discussion. Moving forward, I hope we can all find a way to get back to a place here where that takes place. And I appreciate most of your response.

Secondly, XU82 was spot on with his post: politics can bring out the worst in people. I noted that I was in bad form with my use of the term “whore“, but I also made it very clear that I went down that road on purpose. Harris, and Biden, IMHO, are fake, shallow empty suites and careerists. Additionally, you were over-baked in your reaction to the race thing. Jamaican father and Indian mother, on the surface, doesn’t directly equate to being an African American, which most people see as a “requirement” for being “Black”. Being the shallow, immoral opportunist that she is, and the fact that she is a California liberal, I assumed she is attempting to play the race card to her advantage. So, we now know she has “lineage” through her island father and she considers herself to be Black.

Thirdly, again going back to XU82’s point, you need to remember that this thread brought out the worst in you, too. You called me “a piece of shit”.

Fourthly, you need to understand that, while I responded to your post, I wasn’t just responding to you. I don’t necessarily feel an obligation or need to explain anything to you, given your name calling. Importantly, I did not double down on anything. I simply expanded my response to provide additional context. It certainly became a long response. I’ll admit to that.

Now, what seems clear is that you are a “Never Trumper”, based on your comments. That’s OK; you’re certainly entitled to that. But referring to yourself as a moderate/conservative strikes me as odd, insofar as you admitted to voting for Obama. Whatever.

So, in an effort to end on a high note - continuing our discussion of the five points:

1. Total agreement (except your missing Trump’s other trade deals, IMO).

2. Total agreement.

3. Absolutely total agreement: bring in talent, earn your citizenship, and contribute to society.

4. I am not sure that we do disagree on this.

5. I am not sure how we could disagree on this, but, like most decent people, I certainly want the corruption taken out of police departments. This, in part, is a union issue, IMO.

Have a good weekend.

[bobbiemcgee]

trump's conspiracy theories:

.Cruz's father involved in JFK's assassination .Birtherism (still believes it) . Vince Foster was murdered by Hillary . Scalia was murdered ("they found a pillow over his head" debunked) .Vaccines cause autism .NJ muslims cheered 9/11 . climate change hoax . Access Hollywood tape ("don't think it's my voice")
. Joe Scarborough killed his intern (from 1200 miles away) . Obama wiretapped him . 3000 people in PR didn't die ("only 16 to 18" when he was there throwing paper towels) . Ukraine has Hillary's emails and my favorite. Windmills cause cancer.

Vote away, 'pubs.

[paulxu]

Lol a bunch of former beaurecrats who no longer have any power are made at trump for hurting their feelings.

You think it's only "former" bureaucrats who think those 10 things?


https://youtu.be/P43wDpKQxaM

[X Factor]

You think it's only "former" bureaucrats who think those 10 things?


Harris, Sanders, Booker, ect. were all bashing Biden during the primaries. Both sides do it during the primaries.

Keep voting for the part that disregards life, does not care about law and order or free speech. The party that cares more about people who are in this country illegally. The party that divides by making everything about race, gender, or other identities. The party that does not support our biggest Middle East ally.

Vote for Biden though, a guy who has plagiarized multiple times during his political career, will not protect the innocent unborn, will not protect your freedom of speech or worship, was responsible for a crime bill that sent thousands of black people to jail, was against forced busing and integration, an on and on and on. 50 years in political office and he hasn't accomplished anything, but you think he's NOW going to solve our countries problems.

[X Factor]

A vote for Democrats is a vote in support of this behavior and destruction. The Democrats did not condemn the violence and destruction that BLM / Antifa continue to do at all during the Dem convention...it's no wonder the NYPD Union endorsed Trump for President, the first time the current Union President can remember their organization ever endorsing a candidate for President.

https://www.redstate.com/nick-arama/2020/08/23/they-are-going-to-hurt-one-of-these-cops-blmantifa-attack-cops-in-denver-colorado-rampage-thru-the-streets/

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/22/watch-chicago-blm-activists-stomp-on-pig-cop-pinatas-scream-at-residents-twerk-in-protest/

[paulxu]

"The most significant domestic terrorism threat comes from white supremacists, anti-government militias and a handful of individuals associated with the 'boogaloo' movement that are attempting to create a civil war in the United States."

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

[Xville]

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

Yeah antifa and your other extreme lib buddies are much more into destroying cities, looting, beating people up, and keeping people in an impoverished state so they can continue their paid for agenda.

[Smails]

Actually the protesters, including Black Lives Matter protesters, have denounced the looters and the violent.

This is complete bullshit. There are protests going on, every night in the name of BLM that are turning violent. I'm not talking the alt-left anarchists in the pacific northwest. People are getting shot in our cities, kids are being killed and families are being torn apart. Minneapolis has been ripped to shreds in the name of BLM. Why would someone wanting to be president not address this issue that is plaguing our country right now? Because, just like you he'd rather talk about Charlottesville than what has happened as a result of the defund the police movement. Pandering to the vote versus taking on the problem...

[paulxu]

Yikes. Is the president's sister a member of the fabled "deep state?"

She was a federal judge after all.

[chico]

Actually the protesters, including Black Lives Matter protesters, have denounced the looters and the violent.

Can you show me proof of this? Some quotes of the BLM leaders denouncing the violence would be a nice start.

And since you used capital letters for BLM I assume you mean the actual organization.

[Masterofreality]

Those are the same people that led this country into endless wars in the Middle East and are pissed off that they have no influence in this country anymore. It's actually a positive (for Trump) those losers are endorsing Biden. They are funded by Democrats and led by Bill Kristol.

They are the same as Kasich and other Never Trump Republicans. They lost influence because their policies failed or turned out not to be Republicans in the first place.

Exactly.

[Masterofreality]

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

Luckily Paul lives in a state that elected a Black Conservative Republican Senator, a guy who will be President of the US someday. A guy that introduced a quality Police Reform Bill in the Senate that immediately was dismissed by all of the allegedly "concerned" Democrats.
I say luckily because that means that he won't have screaming mobs of firecracker throwing. lazer pointing anarchists and white Antifa opportunists roaming through his nice little Greenville neighborhood calling HIM a white privileged racist.

You should move out of your little comfort zone Paul, to a place like Portland, or Seattle that is more in line with your way of thinking. I'm sure you'll get along there just fine.

[paulxu]

Hey, I'm in Sparkle City...not Greenville!

At 329 to 0, I've got a lot more chance of being shot by a right-wing crazy boogaloo bois than a protestor.

Edit: my former congressman just joined the Republicans supporting Biden.

[Masterofreality]

Hey, I'm in Sparkle City...not Greenville!

At 329 to 0, I've got a lot more chance of being shot by a right-wing crazy boogaloo bois than a protestor.

Edit: my former congressman just joined the Republicans supporting Biden.

Your "Former Congressman" is just that..for a reason. You just don't get that all of these Lincoln Project guys are just disgruntled "former" somethings that are pissed that they couldn't get it done. They are also very protective of their nice little cabal of government guys and their "journalists" that feel threatened by Trumps shining a bright light on their back-scratching-each-other bullshoi. Washington always hates outsiders- just like they did when Jimmy Carter was elected and tried to bring his Georgia cronies in there. They destroyed his ass, got him gone in 4 years, but now he's a hero, right?
Ok. My mistake. I challenge you to move away from Spartanburg if you feel so threatened.

[Juice]

Oh look, Richard Spencer has joined Team Biden and other "former right wing guys" endorsing Biden. Do we still think they are worthy of our attention?

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1297908382586695680?s=20

[Masterofreality]

Oh look, Richard Spencer has joined Team Biden and other "former right wing guys" endorsing Biden. Do we still think they are worthy of our attention?

https://twitter.com/redsteeze/status/1297908382586695680?s=20

You beat me to it. Let’s add “Neo Nazi, White Supremecist” Richard Spencer. Hmmm. But it’s a Big Tent right Joe?
Hypocrites to the right of me Hypocrites to the left of me.

[paulxu]

You just don't get that all of these Lincoln Project guys are just disgruntled "former" somethings that are pissed that they couldn't get it done.

You think this guy is a disgruntled former something? He's a fellow Navy man. I'm with him.


https://youtu.be/tlmHVtVIJdU

[Masterofreality]

And he’s a liberal New Englander from Maine & Vermont.
I respect differing opinions, but his problem about Trump is because he thinks Trump was a “Draft Dodger”. Ummm, I don’t think Barack Obama served either.
Question. Under which President were we more at war? Obama, or Trump?
Trump has been working to pull Troops out of hotspots, had a strategy to defeat ISIS and has Un under control. Obama? Not so much.

[noteggs]

Can you show me proof of this? Some quotes of the BLM leaders denouncing the violence would be a nice start.

And since you used capital letters for BLM I assume you mean the actual organization.

On the contrary.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-looting-black-lives-matter-reparataions-20200817-xdxu4ipu5rhqzkbdl4fpslsnha-story.html

[xudash]

On the contrary.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-looting-black-lives-matter-reparataions-20200817-xdxu4ipu5rhqzkbdl4fpslsnha-story.html

"But people who don’t understand their history cannot possibly know their worth."

Well, when you focus on erasing history, like the idiot liberals are hell bent on doing, it may become even more possible for certain people not to know their worth. Then again, someone like Atkins is worthless anyway.

[xudash]

You think this guy is a disgruntled former something? He's a fellow Navy man. I'm with him.


https://youtu.be/tlmHVtVIJdU

The idiot HOST tries to shut him down. Epic fail by MSNBC:

https://news.yahoo.com/msnbc-host-angers-georgia-democrat-184535518.html

[paulxu]

And he’s a liberal New Englander from Maine & Vermont.
I respect differing opinions, but his problem about Trump is because he thinks Trump was a “Draft Dodger”. Ummm, I don’t think Barack Obama served either.


I'll take him at his word that he is a conservative.

And what does Obama have to do with this? He's not on the ticket is he?
And to be a "Draft" dodger...Ummm...well, there has to be a draft....I think.
And it does appear that Trump did dodge the draft.

[Xville]

Hey, I'm in Sparkle City...not Greenville!

At 329 to 0, I've got a lot more chance of being shot by a right-wing crazy boogaloo bois than a protestor.

Edit: my former congressman just joined the Republicans supporting Biden.

Your lib BLM buddies are going to riot and loot here tomorrow and now the schools that are open for in class instruction are closing tomorrow. Gotta love that lib platform...commerce, education, nah screw it. It's hilarious that the extreme left are called progressives...there is nothing progressive or instituting progress...all about just redistributing wealth and education so the lazy and the whiners can get theirs.

[Masterofreality]

On the contrary.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/columns/dahleen-glanton/ct-looting-black-lives-matter-reparataions-20200817-xdxu4ipu5rhqzkbdl4fpslsnha-story.html

“ that real change requires more than gathering in front of a police station and calling for justice. It requires seats at the table where decisions are made and voices speaking in unison.“
Good article, but it again avoids placing blame at the proper point.
Hmmm. Who is the Mayor of Chicago? And who is the City Aldermen who represent Englewood?- Welp, the Mayor is Black and there are 5, FIVE Aldermen that cover Englewood- 4 are black and one is Hispanic. I think that there are already those who have “Seats at the table.” But what the hell are they doing about it, or have done for 60 years?

[Masterofreality]

I'll take him at his word that he is a conservative.

And what does Obama have to do with this? He's not on the ticket is he?
And to be a "Draft" dodger...Ummm...well, there has to be a draft....I think.
And it does appear that Trump did dodge the draft.

Just like you surely believe that Portland is “peaceful protests”.
And, Nah. A “conservative” isn’t supporting a ticket that espounds tax increases and removal of freedoms. Nice try though.
His premise is weak. And yeah. Obama’s record matters because it was his lousy presidency that enabled Trump to win.

[xudash]

Just like you surely believe that Portland is “peaceful protests”.
And, Nah. A “conservative” isn’t supporting a ticket that espounds tax increases and removal of freedoms. Nice try though.
His premise is weak. And yeah. Obama’s record matters because it was his lousy presidency that enabled Trump to win.

Well, if we're going to bring the worst President since Harding or Hoover into it (see, I can be objective), then let's expand on him a little. You know, since Sleepy Joe was desperate for his endorsement. Obama now and then:

1. How does a community organizer with no lineage of wealth end up on Martha's Vineyard with a sprawling 6,892-square-foot house that sits on 29.3 secluded acres fronting the Edgartown Great Pond? Well, "The buyer is a nominee trust representing the former First Family." "...Ronald Rappaport, a partner at Reynolds, Rappaport, Kaplan and Hackney, is listed as the attorney for the buyers, according to records at the Martha’s Vineyard Land Bank. Mr. Rappaport declined to discuss the sale. “We don’t comment on these matters,” he said." You're damn right no one wants to discuss the details, especially at a recorded purchase price of $11.75 million. This doesn't sound like a liberal move to me. THANK YOU, GEORGE!

2. How much did the debt increase during Obama's two terms? When Obama was sworn in on Jan. 20, 2009, the debt was $10.626 trillion. When he left office on Jan. 20, 2017, it was $19.947 trillion. Obama added $9 trillion to the debt—more than any other president. Just a titan of fiscal responsibility.

3. And yeah. Obama’s record matters because it was his lousy presidency that enabled Trump to win. A community organizer that knew nothing about business; a global apologist, as though the United States needed to apologize to anyone, especially given the amount of cross-border funding and military protection it provides; and the one person who truly stirred up racial tensions in this country - East St. Louis anyone - that are really now coming home to roost. Imagine the George Floyd incident under this tool's administration.

Otherwise, while George Floyd should not have died the way he did at the hands of the Minneapolis Police, not enough time is committed by the media to the nature of the man that died. He ended up in trouble for a reason, before his unwarranted death occurred. He was a piece of human garbage:

George Floyd’s Criminal Past:

- George Floyd moved to Minneapolis in 2014 after being released from prison in Houston, Texas following an arrest for aggravated robbery
- On May 25, 2020, Floyd was arrested for passing a counterfeit $20 bill at a grocery store in Minneapolis
- He was under the influence of fentanyl and methamphetamine at the time of arrest
- Floyd has more than a decade-old criminal history at the time of the arrest and went to jail for at least 5 times
- George Floyd was the ringleader of a violent home invasion-
- He plead guilty to entering a woman’s home, pointing a gun at her stomach and searching the home for drugs and money, according to court records
- Floyd was sentenced to 10 months in state jail for possession of cocaine in a December 2005 arrest-
- He had previously been sentenced to eight months for the same offense, stemming from an October 2002 arrest
- Floyd was arrested in 2002 for criminal trespassing and served 30 days in jail
- He had another stint for a theft in August 1998

If we had a responsible media, we would be focusing on cleaning up corruption in police departments, while at the same time focusing on attempting to make it a level playing field for all members of society, as Trump is working to do. The gasoline that has been poured onto the situation by the liberal media and by liberal politicians give rise to people like the piece of crap in Chicago who is justifying looting and stealing in the name of retribution.

[bobbiemcgee]

RNC platform - no platform. Let trump do whatever he wants. Brilliant.

[Xville]

RNC platform - no platform. Let trump do whatever he wants. Brilliant.

Biden doesnt even remember what a platform is.

DNC platform--- blame trump for everything, become Venezuela...brilliant

[bobbiemcgee]

It's 80 pages, you should read it.

[Xville]

It's 80 pages, you should read it.

That's quite a lot of pages to tell the average american how awful they believe america is and what the dems can do to f it up.

[xudash]

That's quite a lot of pages to tell the average american how awful they believe america is and what the dems can do to f it up.

But will Nancy Pelosi read it?

[xudash]

A long, but good read - they are a desperate bunch:


PART ONE

I am not a Democrat and my family is not, but I found this interesting from a Democrat..

OPEN LETTER TO DEMOCRATS

I just have a few questions for you….
Let me start with, I already know you don't like President Trump...that's a given, SO let's move on from that...

About the division of America..
Do you really blame Trump for that? How about when NONE of the DEMOCRATS showed up for his inauguration? Don't you think that started the division? He hadn't even been president yet, and EXCEPT for Clinton and Obama, not one democrat showed up....Is that when Trump divided America? Can you imagine if the REPUBLICANS didn't show up for Obama's inauguration because they lost??? Can you even start to imagine what would have happened?
How about when 19 minutes after Trump was inaugurated, the Washington Post declared the IMPEACHMENT CAMPAIGN has STARTED? Was that when Trump divided America?
How about when Nancy Pelosi ripped up Trump's state of the union right in front of the world, showing complete disrespect for the president of the United States? Did that bring the country together and is THAT when Trump divided America?
How about when America had to endure, 3 years and over 30 million dollars spent on trying to PROVE that Trump only won because of RUSSIAN COLLUSION and NOT because America voted him in and 17 democrats did EVERYTHING in their power to PROVE that there was Russian Collusion...and came up with ZERO...?
Was THAT when Trump divided America?

I can't even start to go over the NEGATIVE PRESS he's received since his surprise win...
Remember, the DONORS, the likes Bloomberg, who gave 27 million, Tom Steyer who gave 17 million, George Soros who gave 9 million and MANY MORE that gave MULTI-MILLIONS to Hillary, wanted a return on their investment...Do you really think that donors give MILLIONS UPON MILLIONS just because they love Hillary? NO, these weren't campaign donations, they were INVESTMENTS into what HILLARY had promised them when she became president....
They were so sure she would win and they would be SHOWERED with HUGE RETURNS, and when it didn't happen and they LOST all those millions, they went all out to TAKE TRUMP out of OFFICE by any means possible... DID YOU KNOW that 90% of the Mainstream media and the corporations that own them, are owned by or run by BIG DEMOCRAT DONORS? You can verify all of that for yourselves...I did...
Since the moment Trump won, even before he was inaugurated, the mainstream media's reporting was 92% negative on Trump, do you know why?
It was those big donors that lost their dream of MILLIONS of dollars, on their returns that they were going to receive win Hillary was president and they weren't going to take that loss lightly...They needed to PUNISH TRUMP and those that VOTED HIM IN...

I've said this since the night he was elected...
"There is NOTHING the left won't do to take down our President”, our country and us, no low they won't go to, to get their power back", and sadly, we have seen this every single day since his election. Let me ask you this...Have you ever listened to Trump or appreciated any accomplishment or campaign promises he's kept, have you ever gone to one of his rallies or have you just closed your mind to ANYTHING he does?

Please ask yourselves the following questions, if you dare...
What has Joe Biden done for America for the last 47 years that he's held an office?
What did Joe Biden ever do for BLACKS when HE and Obama were in office?
What has Joe Biden ever done in his entire life to create a private-sector job?
What has Joe Biden done to help the American middle class worker?

Let me also ask you this...
Why do you think there are so many people tearing down statues, burning our flag, beating up police officers, disrespecting our founders and hating our country?
It comes straight from our SCHOOLS that have slowly been tearing down our history...

If there is a teacher out there, please tell me the following:
Do you teach the truth that it was the DEMOCRATS that:
Were the KKK?
That the GRAND LEADER of the KKK was Robert Byrd, who was elected to congress and served for decades, and that it was Hillary, Bill, and Obama that gave his EULOGY praising him?
That the DEMOCRATS fought the Civil war to KEEP SLAVERY?
That the inner-city ghettos were created by DEMOCRATS to keep control of slaves after they were freed?
That planned parenthood was founded in inner cities to CONTROL the BLACK POPULATION?
Is any of this in your history books? Let me ask you this as well.
Can a student speak up when he/she disagrees with a teacher when they say that Trump is a horrible president or the electoral college has to be eliminated? Don't think so?
Well, I know a student that actually happened to...When the teacher said it had to be eliminated because Hillary lost, and he stated the reason it should stay,
She ripped him apart and gave the entire class a 5 hour test, and stated it was because he DARED to disagree with her...
Is that happening in your schools?
I'm only asking questions....I'd like your answers..

[xudash]

PART TWO

President Trump and his entire family has been vilified, demeaned and disrespected, for one reason and one reason only.......HE WON...
Have you noticed the DEMOCRATS only throw tantrums and OBJECT to everything he does and have NEVER ONCE gotten behind him to make America the best it can be?
WHY? They can't afford to get behind him...he would WIN AGAIN, and they can't let that happen....if he wins again, the Democrat party will be destroyed and they know it...
Did you notice that the "CAGES" the left claimed that Trump built to put Illegal children in, WERE BUILT BY OBAMA for the very purpose of PUTTING ILLEGAL CHILDREN IN?
Was THAT all over the news when Obama did it? The very same "CAGES"...but the media was silent!!

How about when Trump commuted Roger Stone's sentence,and was DEMONIZED 24/7 but NOT A WORD when Obama commuted 1715 inmates, which included 330 that he granted on his last day in office...
DID WE EVEN HEAR one WORD about it? Were there reporters even reporting it...NO! Just look at the difference in the reporting. By the way, since Trump's been in office he's commuted 10 people...compare that to Obama...Is that reporting fair?

How about when Biden and Obama allowed the H1N1, the SWINE FLU, to INFECT MILLIONS of Americans before declaring it a health emergency....
Was the press losing it's minds and calling it the OBAMAFLU AND BLAMING OBAMA and BIDEN for the spread ? SILENCE!
Compare this to the NEGATIVE COVERAGE that Trump got when, he immediately halted travel from China when, in February, Nancy Pelosi went to Chinatown and said come on down, or when DeBlasio, in March, said ride the subways and go to broadway...BUT those same people are blaming Trump for the spread of coronavirus..

A FINAL QUESTION:
What have the DEMOCRATS done to help make America the best, to get behind a president that works tirelessly to care about WE THE PEOPLE instead of using us as political pawns..
What have the democrats done for people of color EXCEPT for GIVING ILLEGALS more rights than citizens and having us pay for it...
JUST imagine what this country could accomplish if the Democrats worked with him on the economy, the coronavirus, the inner cities where he's created opportunity zones, job training etc.
When Trump tried to get school choice for inner-city students they ran Betsy Devoss out!! The dems running those inner city schools wanted no part of school choice.
Have you ever wondered why it's cities that have been run, for decades, that have the MOST HOMELESS, the MOST CRIME, the most MURDERS, the worst INNER CITY schools,
ARE ALL RUN BY DEMOCRATS???

If you haven't started asking yourselves those questions, maybe you should..
As I said, my entire family used to be democrats, but NOT ONE will ever vote for a democrat again....
They asked themselves the same questions and the answer was clear....

[bobbiemcgee]

Maybe you missed my post on why not to vote for trump? He's a chronic and habitual liar. Lies in the morning, afternoon and evening. LIE, LIES, LIES. He's a terrible person. Ask his relatives. Throw the bum out.

[paulxu]

Dash, that's quite a reading.
I won't even try to go down it. I just picked one out at random: it's quite normal for the other party people (than leaders) skip the inauguration.

What I'm most struck by is that even after being elected, it's all about what the other guys supposedly did. Just totally ignore what your guy is doing.

Do you even remember Mitch McConnell telling his caucus that their sole job was to block anything Obama tried to do for the American people?

I'm not impressed at all by tax cuts for the top 1 %, undoing regulations that protect our environment, and lowering our standing in the world while fawning over dictators. I know a lot of people like this. It's the old grievance deal. I'd like to have the R's govern. Hell, put out a damn platform if you really are serious about governing...not just being scammed by Trump until he throws you under the bus.

You elect somebody who bankrupts casinos, runs a fake university, and uses evangelicals to help elect himself so he could line his own pockets.
I think we can do better.

[Xville]

Maybe you missed my post on why not to vote for trump? He's a chronic and habitual liar. Lies in the morning, afternoon and evening. LIE, LIES, LIES. He's a terrible person. Ask his relatives. Throw the bum out.

U still dont get it do you? Newsflash...most politicians are scums of the earth. Policy is what should matter, but libs don't want to talk too much policy because then people will realize they are cuckoo for cocoa puffs and living in candyland. So, your leaders appeal to the emotional side which is pretty reflective of every post of yours.

[Xville]

Dash, that's quite a reading.
I won't even try to go down it. I just picked one out at random: it's quite normal for the other party people (than leaders) skip the inauguration.

What I'm most struck by is that even after being elected, it's all about what the other guys supposedly did. Just totally ignore what your guy is doing.

Do you even remember Mitch McConnell telling his caucus that their sole job was to block anything Obama tried to do for the American people?

I'm not impressed at all by tax cuts for the top 1 %, undoing regulations that protect our environment, and lowering our standing in the world while fawning over dictators. I know a lot of people like this. It's the old grievance deal. I'd like to have the R's govern. Hell, put out a damn platform if you really are serious about governing...not just being scammed by Trump until he throws you under the bus.

You elect somebody who bankrupts casinos, runs a fake university, and uses evangelicals to help elect himself so he could line his own pockets.
I think we can do better.

Lowering our standing in the world lol? Why, because it's not the 8 years of Obama kissing everyone's ring? Obama is a slick representation of the wimpy democratic mayors that continue to run their cities to the ground while pandering to their base.

[xudash]

Dash, that's quite a reading.
I won't even try to go down it. I just picked one out at random: it's quite normal for the other party people (than leaders) skip the inauguration.

What I'm most struck by is that even after being elected, it's all about what the other guys supposedly did. Just totally ignore what your guy is doing.

Do you even remember Mitch McConnell telling his caucus that their sole job was to block anything Obama tried to do for the American people?

I'm not impressed at all by tax cuts for the top 1 %, undoing regulations that protect our environment, and lowering our standing in the world while fawning over dictators. I know a lot of people like this. It's the old grievance deal. I'd like to have the R's govern. Hell, put out a damn platform if you really are serious about governing...not just being scammed by Trump until he throws you under the bus.

You elect somebody who bankrupts casinos, runs a fake university, and uses evangelicals to help elect himself so he could line his own pockets.
I think we can do better.

Paul, I do remember McConnell doing that. It was Obama. It was a necessary thing to do.

Your argument about the tax cuts doesn’t cut it: By lowering the cost of capital, TCJA has raised business investment and personal income above pre-TCJA forecasts. While the full benefits of TCJA are yet to be realized, economic data show that the law has already improved the United States economy and Americans' standard of living.Dec 20, 2019

Lastly and most importantly, your Speaker of the House ripped up a presidential State of the Union address on national television in the hall as the speech was concluding. It doesn’t get more politically disgusting than that - unless a fake impeachment proceeding is pursued.

[paulxu]

Former RNC chair Michael Steele is joining the anti-Trump Lincoln Project.

On Sunday, Steele warned Republicans that they are “getting punked” by Trump.

“All y’all want to play this little game that Donald Trump is like you, you’re stupid,” Steele said on MSNBC. “You’re being played. You’re getting punked. But what’s so bad about it is you’re complicit in your own punking.”

Dash, I'm afraid he may be right.

[xudash]

Dash, I'm afraid he may be right.

I’m sorry you’re afraid.

The CURRENT RNC Chair disagrees with him, so perhaps your fears will be reduced.

The day after Republican congressman Mark Sanford, known for his criticism of Trump, lost his primary against a pro-Trump candidate, McDaniel tweeted that those who do not embrace Trump's agenda "will be making a mistake". In April 2018, McDaniel praised Trump as a "moral leader".

Interesting family ties, too:

Parents: Ronna Stern Romney, Scott Romney
Spouse: Patrick McDaniel
Born: March 20, 1973, Austin
Sibling: Mitt Romney

[xudash]

Kenosha is burning.

Another proud day for the Democratic Party.

As fully expected, the Democrats are feeling sorry for the poor guy who got shot, even though he has a bad police record, has no respect for the police or anything, and was clearly resisting arrest and would have driven away if not stopped.

The Democratic Party and the liberal media have turned these guys into victims. Now the looters and rioters believe they have a hall pass.

And that brings us back to the Chicago Mayor, who believes she warrants extra police protection.

As they say, fiction has to make sense. The insanity of the Far Left is something special.

[paulxu]

Guilty as charged: I feel sorry for anyone (regardless of color) who gets shot in the back 7 times by the police that we employ to protect and serve.

There may in fact be extenuating circumstances, but from the video it looks like they could have physically restrained him.

Dash, I appreciate your thoughts and firm beliefs. We obviously have a different perspective on the current political scene.
I do find it quite telling that so many Republicans are sounding alarm bells. You didn't see that in 2012 with people from the Obama administration coming out against the incumbent.

There's got to be something dysfunctional with so many top advisors leaving, good solid people with reputations like Matis, and Kelly, and even Tillerson.
That they are not supporting, in addition to all the other Republicans actively working against the president is a telling message I would think.

Whatever you think about GH Bush and GW Bush (and I certainly didn't agree with their policies) the fact that former Republican presidents didn't vote for Trump has to mean something to thinking Republicans.

[xudash]

Guilty as charged: I feel sorry for anyone (regardless of color) who gets shot in the back 7 times by the police that we employ to protect and serve.

There may in fact be extenuating circumstances, but from the video it looks like they could have physically restrained him.

Dash, I appreciate your thoughts and firm beliefs. We obviously have a different perspective on the current political scene.
I do find it quite telling that so many Republicans are sounding alarm bells. You didn't see that in 2012 with people from the Obama administration coming out against the incumbent.

There's got to be something dysfunctional with so many top advisors leaving, good solid people with reputations like Matis, and Kelly, and even Tillerson.
That they are not supporting, in addition to all the other Republicans actively working against the president is a telling message I would think.

Whatever you think about GH Bush and GW Bush (and I certainly didn't agree with their policies) the fact that former Republican presidents didn't vote for Trump has to mean something to thinking Republicans.

Paul, you’re confused. We were being protected against the “guy“ who got shot seven times - shot seven times while being violent, resisting arrest, and preparing to literally drive away from the scene.

Are Comey and McCabe getting more nervous?

You keep playing this “dysfunctional” card Re people leaving Trump’s side. Democrats, the far left, the liberal media, and old guard RINO Republicans are threatened by him. What you aren’t acknowledging, and probably what really scares you, are the droves of people who are coming over to Trump’s side from elsewhere.

We’ll see what happens with the election. Obviously, the Democrats will attempt to steal it again.

The Democratic Party is about protecting criminals from honest citizens, not honest citizens from criminals. It’s all over the news. Watch it sometime.

Hope what happened to Mark and Patricia McCloskey never happens to you.

Finally, you’re a big SEC guy: did you enjoy Herschel Walker‘s address at the RNC this evening? It was a terrible look for the Democratic Party and liberals.

[X Factor]

Maybe you missed my post on why not to vote for trump? He's a chronic and habitual liar. Lies in the morning, afternoon and evening. LIE, LIES, LIES. He's a terrible person. Ask his relatives. Throw the bum out.

Joe Biden is a serial plagiarizer. He lied about marching in the Civil Rights Movement. He lied about his education. He lied about being shot at when he went to Iraq. He's been in office for almost 50 years and has done NOTHING. He was against forced busing and integration. His biggest accomplishment was a crime bill that sent thousands of Black men and women to prison.

He says he's Catholic, yet will not even stand up for the most innocent and defenseless lives - the unborn.

He doesn't care about law and order. He will stand back and watch this nation burn to the ground as to not upset the left-wing rioters, looters, and anarchists causing havoc in our cities.

He will put illegal aliens before citizens.

Actually, thank God he won't, because Trump is going to be serving four more years.

[Xville]

Guilty as charged: I feel sorry for anyone (regardless of color) who gets shot in the back 7 times by the police that we employ to protect and serve.

There may in fact be extenuating circumstances, but from the video it looks like they could have physically restrained him.

Dash, I appreciate your thoughts and firm beliefs. We obviously have a different perspective on the current political scene.
I do find it quite telling that so many Republicans are sounding alarm bells. You didn't see that in 2012 with people from the Obama administration coming out against the incumbent.

There's got to be something dysfunctional with so many top advisors leaving, good solid people with reputations like Matis, and Kelly, and even Tillerson.
That they are not supporting, in addition to all the other Republicans actively working against the president is a telling message I would think.

Whatever you think about GH Bush and GW Bush (and I certainly didn't agree with their policies) the fact that former Republican presidents didn't vote for Trump has to mean something to thinking Republicans.

I dont feel sorry for people who refuse to follow police orders and then are shocked when police have to react. So sick of this bs narrative that "well they dont deserve.to be shot." You dont follow.police orders, shit happens. Officers have to deal with this crap on a daily basis and have to make split second decisions. I feel way more sorry for the officers who have to deal with this crap from a guy who already had a sexual assault pending case against him. Oh but he is such a good boy and moved to turn his life around..yeah whatever I've seen this movie before.

[X Factor]

Nancy Pelosi, today, called everyone who supports Trump, "enemies of the state". Think about that for a second.

I have never in my lifetime heard a politician on one side of the aisle call the other side "enemies of the state."

That is disgusting. And the Democrats think people are stupid enough to believe they'll be uniters.

[bobbiemcgee]

Joe Biden is a serial plagiarizer. He lied about marching in the Civil Rights Movement. He lied about his education. He lied about being shot at when he went to Iraq. He's been in office for almost 50 years and has done NOTHING. He was against forced busing and integration. His biggest accomplishment was a crime bill that sent thousands of Black men and women to prison.

He says he's Catholic, yet will not even stand up for the most innocent and defenseless lives - the unborn.

He doesn't care about law and order. He will stand back and watch this nation burn to the ground as to not upset the left-wing rioters, looters, and anarchists causing havoc in our cities.

He will put illegal aliens before citizens.

Actually, thank God he won't, because Trump is going to be serving four more years.

He's 10 points behind, so good luck. BTW, Roe/Wade isn't getting overturned ever by the Supreme Court and there are only 29 'pub mayors of America's top 100 cities. What's trump's religion, worshippers of the gold toilet". He can't even hold a bible up correctly, probably because he never opened one. Are you saying trump is truthful? HHHaaaha

[paulxu]

I feel fairly certain that GHW Bush and GW Bush are not RINO's; and they wouldn't vote for Trump.

I'd also bet that they don't feel threatened by Trump.

I could be wrong of course.

[Xville]

He's 10 points behind, so good luck. BTW, Roe/Wade isn't getting overturned ever by the Supreme Court and there are only 29 'pub mayors of America's top 100 cities. What's trump's religion, worshippers of the gold toilet". He can't even hold a bible up correctly, probably because he never opened one. Are you saying trump is truthful? HHHaaaha

Top 100 cities based on what? Great...bet Chicago is on that list...I'll drop you in the south side of the chi and you can see what a dem run city looks like

[X Factor]

He's 10 points behind, so good luck. BTW, Roe/Wade isn't getting overturned ever by the Supreme Court and there are only 29 'pub mayors of America's top 100 cities. What's trump's religion, worshippers of the gold toilet". He can't even hold a bible up correctly, probably because he never opened one.

I bet you believed the polls in '16 too didn't ya Bobbie?

I'm not saying Roe v Wade will be overturned. That's no excuse to allow the murder of millions of babies every year. Thankfully some states have imposed strict regulations on abortion. Joe would have no problem allowing a baby that survives an abortion to lay on the table and die while so called doctors and nurses walk around it. Sick!

I've never claimed Trump was a Christian, but he stands up for people's freedom to worship, and he stands up for the unborn, stands up for people's freedom of speech, the 2nd amendment. You know, things that are in our Bill of Rights.

[Juice]

I feel fairly certain that GHW Bush and GW Bush are not RINO's; and they wouldn't vote for Trump.

I'd also bet that they don't feel threatened by Trump.

I could be wrong of course.

Or maybe it's because Trump emasculated their son/brother during the primary

[paulxu]

Or maybe it's because Trump emasculated their son/brother during the primary

That might be important to schoolyard chums impressed by the local schoolyard bully.

If you've been president of the United States, probably not worried about petty stuff like that.

(then again, Trump does seem fixated on Obama.)

[xudash]

That might be important to schoolyard chums impressed by the local schoolyard bully.

If you've been president of the United States, probably not worried about petty stuff like that.

(then again, Trump does seem fixated on Obama.)

He isn’t fixated on him. He’s going open season on him.

Are you comfortable with the Democratic Party in its present form? Simple question. Yes or no. Are you proud of this current version of the Democratic Party?

[paulxu]

Yes. Read their platform.
It's an effort to bring jobs and equality to our society.
It's filled with ideas to make the American dream a reality for everyone, not just a few.

I went to read the Republican platform to compare, and they don't have one this year.

[Juice]

That might be important to schoolyard chums impressed by the local schoolyard bully.

If you've been president of the United States, probably not worried about petty stuff like that.

(then again, Trump does seem fixated on Obama.)

Why wouldn't he be? He won going against Obama's presidency. Barack and Michelle both gave speeches at the DNC and Biden is trying to run on his "record" as VP under Obama.

[X Factor]

Yes. Read their platform.
It's an effort to bring jobs and equality to our society.
It's filled with ideas to make the American dream a reality for everyone, not just a few.

I went to read the Republican platform to compare, and they don't have one this year.

Why do you support socialism? Bernie is the real leader of the Dem party and Biden has jumped on Bernie's platform. It's the Democrat platform now.

It's nothing but identity politics, putting illegal aliens above US Citizens, disregard for police and the rule of law. It's supporting the burning down of our cities and rioting.

It's for a weak national defense, less freedom of speech, more bureaucracy, less jobs, more government control of your life, ect.

The American people will not vote for that.

I couldn't stand Obama, but he was charismatic. The Black community turned out in droves to vote for him. Biden is not likable (he's getting very angry in his old age - calling normal citizens on the campaign trail "fat", "stupid", "liar", "dog-faced pony soldier", etc.) These are your fellow Democrats at his campaign stops (pre-covid), not conservatives or Republicans.

Trump has accomplished more in 3-1/2 years than Biden has accomplished in 47 years of office.

The Black and Hispanic communities are starting to see Democrats for their true "colors". Trump won't get the majority of their votes, but he will get more of their votes than he got in '16.

[XU_Lou]

The one reason Trump will win in November: He actually loves America

[X-man]

The one reason Trump will lose in November: He totally loves only himself

Fixed that for you

[bjf123]

Yes. Read their platform.
It's an effort to bring jobs and equality to our society.
It's filled with ideas to make the American dream a reality for everyone, not just a few.

I went to read the Republican platform to compare, and they don't have one this year.

I think this shows a difference between the Left and the Right. The Left is more concerned with words and the Right is more concerned with actions. I’m sure the Democratic platform says all the right things, so that’s all that matter.


Let’s look at the actions of the Left. Parts of major US cities in ruins due to the inaction of their Democratic leaders. No action on securing our border with Mexico and real immigration reform. And so on.

The actions of the Right? Send in Federal officers to protect Federal property from the rioters let loose by the Left. Close the border to stop illegal immigration. I’ll take these actions over nice words every time.

I’ll agree that sometimes Trump says really stupid shit the cause the Left to go nuts. I do wish he’d sometimes keep his mouth shut, but I’ll support his actions.


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[X Factor]

Fixed that for you

Another outright lie. Not surprising.

White liberals love to hate themselves and feign outrage.

[Smails]

That might be important to schoolyard chums impressed by the local schoolyard bully.

If you've been president of the United States, probably not worried about petty stuff like that.

)

LOL!! You mean the same George W Bush who supposedly sent to the USA to WAR because Saddam Hussein had an assassination plot against his father? For years the Dems trumpeted the fact that GWB started a war for personal reasons. Now all of the sudden he's not concerned with petty stuff...you know like the current POTUS undressing little brother in the 16 primaries?? Give me a break.

[bobbiemcgee]

I've never claimed Trump was a Christian, but he stands up for people's freedom to worship, and he stands up for the unborn, stands up for people's freedom of speech, the 2nd amendment. You know, things that are in our Bill of Rights.

Except when he didn't when he was a Democrat. AP-NORC poll sez 75% of America sez we are on the wrong path under trump. On "Meet The Press" in 1999, Trump said he was "very pro-choice."

[bobbiemcgee]

LOL!! You mean the same George W Bush who supposedly sent to the USA to WAR because Saddam Hussein had an assassination plot against his father?

You voted for him. Right?

[Xville]

Except when he didn't when he was a Democrat. AP-NORC poll sez 75% of America sez we are on the wrong path under trump.

Lol we all know how accurate polls are

[X-man]

Another outright lie. Not surprising.

White liberals love to hate themselves and feign outrage.

Explain, please.

[bobbiemcgee]

Fixed that for you

trump isn't a republican or conservative or tea party guy. Look at the national debt. He'll dump any 'pub who disagrees with him for any reason. He's just in it to benefit his corrupt family. if he doesn't win, he sez he will declare the process "rigged' and the secret service will have to kick his ass out of the WH. So much for the "transfer of power". Disgusting.
He's changed his party affiliation 5 times.

[X Factor]

Explain, please.


Trump gave $10,000 to a bus driver who saved a suicidal woman, gave $25,000 to a U.S. marine sergeant arrested and detained in Mexico, and allowed an orthodox Jewish family to use his private jet in order to seek urgent medical treatment for their young son.


People magazine reported this week that Donald Trump has put up singer Jennifer Hudson and family at the Trump International Hotel & Tower in Chicago for free.

Hudson and her family are still mourning the death of Darnell Donerson, Jason Hudson, and Julian King, who were shot to death in the family's southside home last month.

If this doesn't show you he is empathetic and caring, then you are truly blinded by your dislike of him. A man would not do these things if he only loved himself.

[Masterofreality]

Maybe you missed my post on why not to vote for trump? He's a chronic and habitual liar. Lies in the morning, afternoon and evening. LIE, LIES, LIES. He's a terrible person. Ask his relatives. Throw the bum out.

And John F Kennedy cheated on his wife, and Lyndon Johnson was a racist in Texas.
Stop it Bobbie. Worry about Policy, not Personality.

[Masterofreality]

Yes. Read their platform.
It's an effort to bring jobs and equality to our society.
It's filled with ideas to make the American dream a reality for everyone, not just a few.

I went to read the Republican platform to compare, and they don't have one this year.

"The American Dream a Reality for Everyone".
Yeah, I guess like the Dream in Baltimore, and South Side Chicago, and Philadelphia, and Cleveland and Detroit, and...and...and...All Democrat run cities for decades that have abject poverty, horrible schools, crumbling infrastructure. Watch that Kim Klacik video from Baltimore- a Black Republican woman running for Congress. That tells you all you need to know about Democrat dreams.
Finally, the Republican Platform has been on display...AND WORKING for the last 3 1/2 years. Pay attention Paul.

[Masterofreality]

Lol we all know how accurate polls are

Anybody actually answer their landline when it rings? I check caller ID. Haven't answered it for weeks.
Caller ID is the death of accurate polling.

[Masterofreality]

By the way.

Senator Tim Scott will be the first true 100% Black President in the United States.
Get ready for millions of Lib heads to explode.

[GoMuskies]

if he doesn't win, he sez he will declare the process "rigged' and the secret service will have to kick his ass out of the WH. So much for the "transfer of power". Disgusting.

Here's Hillary Clinton: Joe Biden shouldn't concede "under any circumstances".

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1298023931790712832?s=20

[Lloyd Braun]

Nice

[X-man]

If this doesn't show you he is empathetic and caring, then you are truly blinded by your dislike of him. A man would not do these things if he only loved himself.

You've GOT to be kidding, if the examples you cite are what you claim is evidence that Trump is empathetic and caring.

[X-man]

Here's Hillary Clinton: Joe Biden shouldn't concede "under any circumstances".

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1298023931790712832?s=20

How does "in a close race" translate into "under any circumstances"?

[GoMuskies]

How does "in a close race" translate into "under any circumstances"?

I don't know. You'd have to ask Hillary. They're her own words.

[X-man]

I don't know. You'd have to ask Hillary. They're her own words.

not the tweet

[bobbiemcgee]

And John F Kennedy cheated on his wife, and Lyndon Johnson was a racist in Texas.
Stop it Bobbie. Worry about Policy, not Personality.

What policy? The republicans have no policy according to the RNC. Just whatever pops into trump's demented mind.

[GoMuskies]

not the tweet

There's a video in the tweet. Possibly a deep fake?

[XU_Lou]

The Party of Hate - - here's the vile racist Democrats going after Herschel Walker: https://twitter.com/search?q=herschel%20walker%20Uncle%20Tom&src=typed_query&f=live

[xudash]

not the tweet

I'm trying to recall correctly, do you presently teach at Xavier?

[X Factor]

This lady is the type of voter the Democrat party is catering to and are counting on to keep voting Democrat. Telling young minorities this country is racist, and that they'll always be the victim, indoctrinating them with false history. These older Black men have lived through segregation. They speak from experience and like he said, "no one gave me nothing."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s_yVHWuupA

[bobbiemcgee]

Guilfoyle so stupid she thinks she a 1st generation American. Someone should tell her that her mother is from Puerto Rico. Don, jr was definitely medicating on something.

[X-man]

There's a video in the tweet. Possibly a deep fake?

No idea. I just went by the posted tweet. But if she said that Biden shouldn't ever concede, I strongly disagree with her.

[GoMuskies]

No idea. I just went by the posted tweet.

The one that included a video? With Hillary Clinton speaking?

[X Factor]

Do you libs condone this? Terrorizing people at restaurants? What would you do if a group did this to you and your family? This is why I don't support the BE wearing BLM patches on uniforms...BLM is not peaceful.

Joe Biden will end racism though...because he said he would. This is the Dem Party.

Scroll down...there's another video of a mob doing the same thing to other people who are just trying to live their lives.

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1298311747581829120

https://twitter.com/Harlan/status/1298276096065052672

[X-band '01]

Here's Hillary Clinton: Joe Biden shouldn't concede "under any circumstances".

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1298023931790712832?s=20

There is very little chance that a winner will be declared on Election Day. Depending on the different rules of absentee ballots state by state, it may be up to 10 days in some instances to find out who will win swing states like Wisconsin, North Carolina, Arizona, etc.

[X-band '01]

X Factor, can we get some subtitles for those links? All I heard was gibberish.

[GoMuskies]

X Factor, can we get some subtitles for those links? All I heard was gibberish.

Those are people being berated in public for refusing to raise the fist in solidarity.

In both, you can see nervous doofuses who have their fists limply raised hoping the tormentors will leave them alone.

[noteggs]

Guilfoyle so stupid she thinks she a 1st generation American. Someone should tell her that her mother is from Puerto Rico. Don, jr was definitely medicating on something.

I thought she was on crack. Horrible delivery.

[Smails]

You voted for him. Right?


Yes...4x in Florida

[XU_Lou]

Do you libs condone this? Terrorizing people at restaurants? What would you do if a group did this to you and your family? This is why I don't support the BE wearing BLM patches on uniforms...BLM is not peaceful.

Joe Biden will end racism though...because he said he would. This is the Dem Party.

Scroll down...there's another video of a mob doing the same thing to other people who are just trying to live their lives.

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1298311747581829120

https://twitter.com/Harlan/status/1298276096065052672

The fact that the Democrats on this board never denounce this kind of violence/terrorism speaks volumes. Just like the national Democrats, this is all just fine with them.

[paulxu]

Is Maryanne Trump going to speak at the convention? I'd like to hear that one

[GoMuskies]

I think Maryanne's invitation got lost in the mail. Same with Tara Reade's invitation from the DNC to speak last week.

[bobbiemcgee]

Is Maryanne Trump going to speak at the convention? I'd like to hear that one

Melania, Don, Jr., Eric (if he's not served with more subpoena's), Iskanka, Tiffany, Don jr's girlfriend and Kermit the frog. Quite a diverse line up.

[Muskie in dayton]

The fact that the Democrats on this board never denounce this kind of violence/terrorism speaks volumes. Just like the national Democrats, this is all just fine with them.
How do you do a poll? I'd love to see a poll of who on this board would give in to the mob demand and raise their fist? Can someone do that?

[noteggs]

I do find it quite telling that so many Republicans are sounding alarm bells. You didn't see that in 2012 with people from the Obama administration coming out against the incumbent.

This is one area the Democrats do extremely well is band together. Whether it’s messaging (goes for MSM as well), Congressional votes, or liberal Supreme Court decisions, there’re primarily lockstep for the most part. Of course, the Democratic Socialists are making it difficult these days. Finally it would be political suicide for anyone coming out against Obama.

[xuwillie]

What has our country come to when pence is the best option of the four?

[X Factor]

Melania, Don, Jr., Eric (if he's not served with more subpoena's), Iskanka, Tiffany, Don jr's girlfriend and Kermit the frog. Quite a diverse line up.

I know you didn't watch last night, but Tim Scott (first Black congressman and Senator), Maximo Alvarez (Cuban-American who's family fled Catro's communist regime in Cuba), Herschel Walker (Black), Vernon Jones (Black), Nikki Haley (woman, Indian-American), Kim Klacik (woman, Black, GOP congressional candidate)

I only use their gender and race in quotations because I know identity politics are all you Libs understand.

For all the talk about diversity from the Left, the best they can come up with is an old, white, career politician who hasn't really accomplished anything besides getting rich off the backs of taxpayers.

[paulxu]

Since Tim Scott represents my state in the Senate, I'll note for you that he is neither the first Black congressman, or Senator.

[paulxu]

I think Maryanne's invitation got lost in the mail. Same with Tara Reade's invitation from the DNC to speak last week.


Yikes! Is Tara Reade, Biden's sister?

[GoMuskies]

Yikes! Is Tara Reade, Biden's sister?

If he was, that would make what he (allegedly) did to her extra sick.

[noteggs]

Wasn’t Hiram Revels the first African American to serve in the US Senate back in 1870?

Interesting bio.

https://www.biography.com/political-figure/hiram-r-revels

[X Factor]

Wasn’t Hiram Revels the first African American to serve in the US Senate back in 1870?

Interesting bio.

https://www.biography.com/political-figure/hiram-r-revels

Yes, I think Scott is the first Black man to serve in both the US House and Senate.