Politics Thread

[GoMuskies]

I also happen to think electric cars are the next wave. Of course, that electricity has to come from somewhere. And in the beginning, a lot of that electricity is going to come from gas fired power plants. Guess where that gas is coming from?

Thanks again fracking!

[Xville]

I hate to brake it to you, but fracking is not the solution. It is a band aid. Electric cars are the future, sustainability is the future. Killing the planet just for a band aid on the present isn't what we should be all about. Do you understand that renewable energy and electric cars make us just as independent from those countries also?

Why is this generation so hell bent on mortgaging our future just for the present? We do it in the environment and we do it in government spending.

Fracking is killing the planet? That's a new one. I'm pretty sure everyone understands that at some point, fossil fuels will dry up. However, until electric cars and the infrastructure that is needed for them becomes inexpensive and common, the "bandaid" is nice to have.

[xudash]

I also happen to think electric cars are the next wave. Of course, that electricity has to come from somewhere. And in the beginning, a lot of that electricity is going to come from gas fired power plants. Guess where that gas is coming from?

Thanks again fracking!

Honestly, do you think he understands what you wrote here?

I believe everyone agrees on the idea of transitioning to clean energy. I also believe there is a logical sequence of events and timeline for making that happen. The timeline becomes a function of everything from depreciation schedules on existing energy infrastructure assets to the viability of new technologies, etc. It has to recognize what is best for the environment without overreacting.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yes I do, and yes I read scientific american which stated just a couple years ago that Fracking pollutes ground water. I, unlike some on here, don't stick my head in the sand screaming that fracking doesn't despite numerous studies that show it does.

But hey, we all get cheap electricity at the expense of drinking water. So there is that.

[GoMuskies]

Lol

[bobbiemcgee]

I also happen to think electric cars are the next wave.

They depreciate like rocks. You couldn't sell one for a boat anchor if the battery bank goes bad:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/resale-prices-tumble-on-electric-cars-1424977378

[GoMuskies]

They depreciate like rocks. You couldn't sell one for a boat anchor if the battery bank goes bad:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/resale-prices-tumble-on-electric-cars-1424977378

I don't think you'll need to sell them, because I don't think you'll ever own them. Once cars start driving themselves, there will be no reason to own your own car. Every self-driving car will be Uber-like.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Lol

So do you think that Fracking was somehow exempted from the clean water act just for shits and giggles?

[JTG]

AZ, is your radio stuck on the NPR channel ?

[GoMuskies]

So do you think that Fracking was somehow exempted from the clean water act just for shits and giggles?

I think it's because Dick Cheney wanted Halliburton to kill liberals.

I also think Obama's EPA did an extensive study on fracking's effect on drinking water. And found no significant effect.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think it's because Dick Cheney wanted Halliburton to kill liberals.

I also think Obama's EPA did an extensive study on fracking's effect on drinking water. And found no significant effect.

Why the exemption? Why keep it? Obama did a lot of things that angered me.


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[paulxu]

Why the exemption?

$

[GoMuskies]

I don't know much about the exemption (it's a partial exemption from the Safe Drinking Water Act by the way), but fracking wasn't really the booming thing back in '05 like it is now. And it's not like fracking is unregulated.

But the exception doesn't apply when diesel is used, so you got that going for you (spoiler: no one uses diesel in fracking anymore).

[xudash]

AZ, is your radio stuck on the NPR channel ?

Ha! Well done.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Ha! Well done.

NPR is a left of center organization, and not that far left. Fox is an extreme right organization. NPR is a lot more even keeled than some folks out there. That said, I listen to tunes on my rides.

[xudash]

NPR is a left of center organization, and not that far left. Fox is an extreme right organization. NPR is a lot more even keeled than some folks out there. That said, I listen to tunes on my rides.

So, not only did you miss the humor in that post, but you thought it was a good idea to attempt to respond with a lame explanation of what is nothing more than your view on where these media outlets sit on the political spectrum?

[JTG]

Thx Dash

[GenerationX]

http://fortune.com/2018/10/18/dems-say-trump-blocked-fbi-move-competition-hotel/

https://goo.gl/images/GhuX7q


I’m so glad we have a president who puts the interests of the common man first. :sign-wtf:

[Caf]

They depreciate like rocks. You couldn't sell one for a boat anchor if the battery bank goes bad:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/resale-prices-tumble-on-electric-cars-1424977378

I'd bet when the sector matures they will hold their value much better than traditional cars. The mileage should be much longer and the maintenance much cheaper and infrequent.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

http://fortune.com/2018/10/18/dems-say-trump-blocked-fbi-move-competition-hotel/

https://goo.gl/images/GhuX7q


I’m so glad we have a president who puts the interests of the common man first. :sign-wtf:

This to me is just like that tax fraud stuff last week, it’s just not at all surprising.

If after the tax cuts, now huge deficit and resulting calls for cuts to Medicare and social security you think he works for the regular citizen then you just aren’t living in reality.


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[Masterofreality]

Aww, you think fracking is killing the planet. That's cute.

Laugh......Out....Loud!!!!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

So, not only did you miss the humor in that post, but you thought it was a good idea to attempt to respond with a lame explanation of what is nothing more than your view on where these media outlets sit on the political spectrum?

Mediabias.com...I think you or someone else has posted link to that site before.

[GoMuskies]

Mediabias.com...I think you or someone else has posted link to that site before.

ChicagoX posted it earlier. I was thinking of reposting it yesterday after that exchange. I did check it, and it listed NPR closer to the center than Fox. I think it was TOO close to the center, but I certainly agree that it's closer than Fox. I also agree that it's much higher quality than Fox. I enjoy NPR even if I need to give it the occasional eye roll.

[ChicagoX]

ChicagoX posted it earlier. I was thinking of reposting it yesterday after that exchange. I did check it, and it listed NPR closer to the center than Fox. I think it was TOO close to the center, but I certainly agree that it's closer than Fox. I also agree that it's much higher quality than Fox. I enjoy NPR even if I need to give it the occasional eye roll.

Media bias chart (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Media-Bias-Chart_4.0_8_28_2018-min.jpg)

CNN bias chart by program (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/#iLightbox[3d30dcce90beaaa4b2e]/0)

FOX News bias chart by program (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/#iLightbox[4348420aace8cfdea28]/0)

MSNBC chart by program (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/#iLightbox[1d29a3c1b33f836266d]/0)

The full site with more info on their rankings: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

ChicagoX posted it earlier. I was thinking of reposting it yesterday after that exchange. I did check it, and it listed NPR closer to the center than Fox. I think it was TOO close to the center, but I certainly agree that it's closer than Fox. I also agree that it's much higher quality than Fox. I enjoy NPR even if I need to give it the occasional eye roll.

I actually watch Fox, I won't call it news because most of it is not actually news but opinion pieces. I am absolutely blown away at how poor they are. I don't know if there is a true journalist in the bunch.

[ChicagoX]

I actually watch Fox, I won't call it news because most of it is not actually news but opinion pieces. I am absolutely blown away at how poor they are. I don't know if there is a true journalist in the bunch.

Shepard Smith might be the only one who actually reports real news instead of non-stop opinion pieces. Cable news is toxic. It dulls critical thinking skills by herding viewers into their echo chambers.

[bjf123]

Shepard Smith might be the only one who actually reports real news instead of non-stop opinion pieces. Cable news is toxic. It dulls critical thinking skills by herding viewers into their echo chambers.

I think Bret Baier does a good job on Fox, along with Shepard Smith, though Smith sometimes takes himself too seriously. I think Wolf Blitzer on CNN is decent. Most of the rest on both networks are essentially talk show hosts with a specific political leaning. Unfortunately, too many people take what’s presented on the opinion shows as factual, unbiased, news.


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[noteggs]

Media bias chart (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Media-Bias-Chart_4.0_8_28_2018-min.jpg)

CNN bias chart by program (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/#iLightbox[3d30dcce90beaaa4b2e]/0)

FOX News bias chart by program (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/#iLightbox[4348420aace8cfdea28]/0)

MSNBC chart by program (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/#iLightbox[1d29a3c1b33f836266d]/0)

The full site with more info on their rankings: https://www.adfontesmedia.com/

I thought this was really interesting the first time you sent. Did a little digging on who produced the original chart. The young lady states she’s a moderate-liberal. Ok maybe she can be somewhat unbiased. But she kind of lost me when I read her bio (did appreciate her transparency on her website).

“I’m a registered Democrat. My parents are immigrants from the Philippines (and U.S. citizens). I was born and raised in liberal Southern California. I have voted for the Democratic candidate for president in every election I have been eligible to vote. My dad has always been a progressive and he was the one who talked to me about politics when I was young. I went to UCLA. I’m just barely a millennial (born in 1981). I’m a woman. I’m a lesbian.”

Bottom line - it’s so hard for people to not have a personal bias since we all have an inherent bias within us.

[bjf123]

I wish I could find it now, but I remember seeing a study a university did on the coverage of either the Obama McCain presidential race in 2008 or Obama Romney in 2012 (I think it was McCain). They looked at all news stories presented by the major news networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. It did not include shows like Hannity, etc., that are clearly not news.

Stories were categorized as positive, neutral, or negative. Fox was pretty much dead even for both candidates. CNN was next, but skewed slightly with more positive stories on Obama and more negative stories on McCain. The 3 broadcast networks were a little more biased in favor of Obama. MSNBC was clearly the worst, with few negative stories on Obama, and few positive stories on McCain.

I’m sure the same study today would return very different results.


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[Caf]

I thought this was really interesting the first time you sent. Did a little digging on who produced the original chart. The young lady states she’s a moderate-liberal. Ok maybe she can be somewhat unbiased. But she kind of lost me when I read her bio (did appreciate her transparency on her website).

“I’m a registered Democrat. My parents are immigrants from the Philippines (and U.S. citizens). I was born and raised in liberal Southern California. I have voted for the Democratic candidate for president in every election I have been eligible to vote. My dad has always been a progressive and he was the one who talked to me about politics when I was young. I went to UCLA. I’m just barely a millennial (born in 1981). I’m a woman. I’m a lesbian.”

Bottom line - it’s so hard for people to not have a personal bias since we all have an inherent bias within us.

Do you disagree with what was produced? Below is a link to her criteria, start at, "Factors for Placing the News Sources on the Chart". The list of 17 is pretty interesting. I've never dug into this either, but it's seems fairly methodical.

Here are 2 I found very smart:


7. Whether the source actively differentiates between opinion and reporting pieces

A “yes” answer weighted sources heavily toward “mainstream/minimal partisan bias” and was a determinative factor in whether the source was categorized at least in part as “mainstream” or fell completely into “skews partisan.” For example, the Washington Post, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal all have labeled opinion sections, while MSNBC, FOX, and Vox do not.

8. Proportion of opinion pieces to reporting pieces

This measure is also quantifiable. Greater percentages of reporting pieces weighted heavily toward “mainstream” and somewhat toward the middle category of “meets high standards.

https://www.adfontesmedia.com/the-reasoning-and-methodology-behind-the-chart/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I wish I could find it now, but I remember seeing a study a university did on the coverage of either the Obama McCain presidential race in 2008 or Obama Romney in 2012 (I think it was McCain). They looked at all news stories presented by the major news networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, Fox News, and MSNBC. It did not include shows like Hannity, etc., that are clearly not news.

Stories were categorized as positive, neutral, or negative. Fox was pretty much dead even for both candidates. CNN was next, but skewed slightly with more positive stories on Obama and more negative stories on McCain. The 3 broadcast networks were a little more biased in favor of Obama. MSNBC was clearly the worst, with few negative stories on Obama, and few positive stories on McCain.

I’m sure the same study today would return very different results.


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Pew ran one that showed MSNBC and Fox skewed for their candidate at equal levels of bias. In 2012, they found the gap increased but remained equally biased. Interest, Fox and MSNBC went extreme hand in hand.

[bobbiemcgee]

If the news comments on something really f'ing stupid that Trump said....is that bias?

[Caf]

Saudi Arabia fires 5 top officials, arrests 18 Saudis, saying Khashoggi was killed in fight at consulate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/10/19/saudi-government-acknowledges-journalist-jamal-khashaoggi-died-while-in-that-countrys-consulate-in-istanbul/?utm_term=.589b7d6c24c2)

The statement makes no mentions of where his remains are. Definitely sounds like a fight gone wrong. I'm anxiously awaiting our government to say, "well, I'm glad that's settled!"

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Saudi Arabia fires 5 top officials, arrests 18 Saudis, saying Khashoggi was killed in fight at consulate (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/world/wp/2018/10/19/saudi-government-acknowledges-journalist-jamal-khashaoggi-died-while-in-that-countrys-consulate-in-istanbul/?utm_term=.589b7d6c24c2)

The statement makes no mentions of where his remains are. Definitely sounds like a fight gone wrong. I'm anxiously awaiting our government to say, "well, I'm glad that's settled!"

Caf google the Saudi’s response to this as it has evolved. I have quite often gone somewhere I am not welcome and gotten into a fight 1 vs 18.

This is the progression...

He was never at the consulate.
He came in and left.
He came in the left and disappeared.
He came in and left the the 15 people there were just tourists who came to turkey and left in under 24 hours.
He might be dead and we think rogue killers did it.
He is likely dead but it was an interrogation gone wrong.
He is dead and it was from a fight gone wrong.


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[Caf]

Caf google the Saudi’s response to this as it has evolved. I have quite often gone somewhere I am not welcome and gotten into a fight 1 vs 18.

This is the progression...

He was never at the consulate.
He came in and left.
He came in the left and disappeared.
He came in and left the the 15 people there were just tourists who came to turkey and left in under 24 hours.
He might be dead and we think rogue killers did it.
He is likely dead but it was an interrogation gone wrong.
He is dead and it was from a fight gone wrong.


Oh yeah I was being sarcastic. This explanation is a load of shit

[noteggs]

Do you disagree with what was produced? Below is a link to her criteria, start at, "Factors for Placing the News Sources on the Chart". The list of 17 is pretty interesting. I've never dug into this either, but it's seems fairly methodical.

Here are 2 I found very smart:



https://www.adfontesmedia.com/the-reasoning-and-methodology-behind-the-chart/

In general I do. Two reasons come to mind: she did not quantify how many stories were pro/against each party. That’s always been a concern of the right. IMO, if 80% of stories were negative to one party and only 20% for the other, that needs to be part of the analysis. She recognized this because her lack of resources. However, she did have a category called “sensationalism” which talk about repeating (overhyped) the same story for ratings which I thought was cool.

Secondly she said she couldn’t completely take her biases out. With that said, I appreciate her honesty and effort to take them out.

Thanks for sending out the methodology, it was a great read. Also, thanks to ChicagoX for sending out the other links. I really enjoy trying to figure out why people think they way they do. Heck that’s the only reason I read this thread. Glad I took the time to read.

[Lloyd Braun]

Heck that’s the only reason I read this thread. Glad I took the time to read.

This thread is a train wreck for the most part, yet.... I can’t look away!

[noteggs]

This thread is a train wreck for the most part, yet.... I can’t look away!

Lol literally! Train or car wreck...

[ChicagoX]

NPR: Here's How Russia Runs Its Disinformation Effort Against The 2018 Midterms (https://www.npr.org/2018/10/23/659545242/heres-how-russia-runs-its-disinformation-effort-against-the-2018-midterms?)

[Caf]

Explosive Devices Found in Mail Sent to Hillary Clinton and Obama (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html)
Explosive Device Is Found in Mailbox at Soros’s Home in N.Y. Suburb (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/nyregion/george-soros-explosive-device.html)

I am submitting this for the record for the next time someone complains that just liberals have gone insane.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Explosive Devices Found in Mail Sent to Hillary Clinton and Obama (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html)
Explosive Device Is Found in Mailbox at Soros’s Home in N.Y. Suburb (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/nyregion/george-soros-explosive-device.html)

I am submitting this for the record for the next time someone complains that just liberals have gone insane.

There's at least on conservative on this board who's going to tell us this is the work of a crazy liberal trying to frame the Republicans.

[GoMuskies]

There's at least on conservative on this board who's going to tell us this is the work of a crazy liberal trying to frame the Republicans.

False flag! I'm sure Alex Jones is on the case, but the liberal government has censored him!

[bjf123]

Explosive Devices Found in Mail Sent to Hillary Clinton and Obama (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/24/nyregion/clinton-obama-explosive-device.html)
Explosive Device Is Found in Mailbox at Soros’s Home in N.Y. Suburb (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/22/nyregion/george-soros-explosive-device.html)

I am submitting this for the record for the next time someone complains that just liberals have gone insane.

There are whack-a-doodles on both sides. While I might disagree politically with everyone on the receiving end of these devices, I don’t want any harm to come to any of them. This is inexcusable. Find who did this, lock them up, and throw away the key.


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[paulxu]

False flag! I'm sure Alex Jones is on the case, but the liberal government has censored him!

You're right !

Since Jones has been silenced, this guy decided to stand in for him.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/frank-gaffney-bombs-effort-deflect-attention-left-mobs

[paulxu]

One of these things is not like the other:

Today: "acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America," (on the packages mailed to some politicians)

Last week: "Any guy who can do a body slam is my kind of guy.” (on current Congressman who assaulted a reporter and pled guilty to doing it)

[XUOWNSUC]

One of these things is not like the other:

Today: "acts or threats of political violence of any kind have no place in the United States of America," (on the packages mailed to some politicians)

Last week: "Any guy who can do a body slam is my kind of guy.” (on current Congressman who assaulted a reporter and pled guilty to doing it)

"When they go low, we kick them."

and

"If you see anybody from that (Trump) Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

[paulxu]

I don't agree with those comments, and the first was taken out of context.

But...neither of those people has the bully pulpit, and leads chants of locking up political opponents, or urging supporters against the media.

But I don't really expect much else after 2 years. He's still operating like a 5th grade bully who happens to be our president.

The constant lying however, is starting to wear thin.

[GenerationX]

"When they go low, we kick them."

and

"If you see anybody from that (Trump) Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

There are definitely wackadoodles on both sides, but it’s disingenuous at best to equate these statements with literal and/or implied approval of violence.

The first quote is obviously figurative, and if someone takes offense, they’re acknowledging that conservatives “go low”. Duh, I know, but if you want to avoid someone fighting back (FIGURATIVELY), don’t start the fight.

For the record, I think politicians should be left alone in their private lives, but I don’t think there’s been any condoning of violence related to confronting them. If there has been, it must have been a one-off.

[Caf]

For the record, I think politicians should be left alone in their private lives, but I don’t think there’s been any condoning of violence related to confronting them. If there has been, it must have been a one-off.

No there hasn't, but there has been absolutely no moderation and an awful lot of demonizing done by politicians and people on both sides. It's basically only life or death when we see politicians acknowledge or appreciate people on the other side of the aisle. We as voters like and reward that. You can see it here, there are plenty of us who won't even acknowledge the possibility that the other side has a point.

[paulxu]

I agree that we all are to a great extent wrapped up in our own perspective.
But we need a fact based media (not the opinion commentators) to help us see both sides (without equivocating)

But what do you do about this? This is a Trump tweet from this morning, which reaches 50 million Americans:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KMfZW3DAAj0/W9CS34ikTdI/AAAAAAAADYQ/5Wv02_T8fiwIqfYvFW1LLiqDEiW3SbMBACLcBGAs/s400/trumpprexistinglie.JPG

How do you even address that when it is the President of your country trying to influence voters with a lie?

Do you say...Mr President, the ACA protects preexisting conditions.
The Republicans had 70 votes to repeal the ACA.
Your justice department is in federal court arguing that the preexisting condition portion of the ACA is unconstitutional.
Your administration just issued a rule that will allow state's to let insurers drop preexisting conditions from their coverage plans.

I'm serious. How do you address the fact that the President just lies to 50 million Americans...daily?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

They issued a rule that allow state's to drop the pre-existing condition rule? Seriously?

[scoscox]

Not really a lie, more of a campaign promise. If republicans get elected after this statement and go after pre existing conditions then it will have been a lie.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Not really a lie, more of a campaign promise. If republicans get elected after this statement and go after pre existing conditions then it will have been a lie.

Didn't they go after that clause just by trying to repeal the ACA with no replacement?

[bobbiemcgee]

Not really a lie,

I think we can safely assume it is a lie bcuz Trump lies about EVERYTHING everyday!

[Lloyd Braun]

As my good friend George Costanza says, “it’s not a lie if you believe it.”

[noteggs]

There's at least on conservative on this board who's going to tell us this is the work of a crazy liberal trying to frame the Republicans.

I can see some thinking that, but that would be irresponsible. As matter of fact, same could be said if someone were to blame a conservative or the alt right at this point.

It was only 3 weeks ago when someone sent risin (or what appeared to be) laced letters to Trump, Mattis, and Wray. It turned out to be the same person who had threatened Obama in 2015 with an email to the CIA and not a person from either side of the aisle. Unfortunately like others have stated, both sides want to judge the situation way to early before we learn all the facts which includes the press.

[GenerationX]

No there hasn't, but there has been absolutely no moderation and an awful lot of demonizing done by politicians and people on both sides. It's basically only life or death when we see politicians acknowledge or appreciate people on the other side of the aisle. We as voters like and reward that. You can see it here, there are plenty of us who won't even acknowledge the possibility that the other side has a point.

I agree regarding the divisiveness. I find it very frustrating, though, when people use false equivalences. And to be fair, there have been a lot of leftists saying they agree that politicians should be left alone in their private lives, and republicans who say it’s wrong for the president to condone violence. Please let’s just be honest in our assessments of the situation and not equate apples and oranges, especially when often the “yeah but what about this“ example is either misrepresented or already condemned by the vast majority of the offending person’s political party.

[scoscox]

I agree regarding the divisiveness. I find it very frustrating, though, when people use false equivalences. And to be fair, there have been a lot of leftists saying they agree that politicians should be left alone in their private lives, and republicans who say it’s wrong for the president to condone violence. Please let’s just be honest in our assessments of the situation and not equate apples and oranges, especially when often the “yeah but what about this“ example is either misrepresented or already condemned by the vast majority of the offending person’s political party.

Good advice. Unfortunately, I'm sure it won't be heeded in the slightest. In this particular case, we don't know anything about these bombs or who made them or sent them and for what purpose to this point. Speculating and trying to score political points off something that we know almost nothing about is not a smart move by either side.

[scoscox]

I actually misread that tweet that you posted. Trump is definitely mischaracterizing the democratic position, which is deceitful, but I do think he has been making an attempt to change republican policy regarding pre-existing conditions recently. Whether he is successful or genuine remains to be seen.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

He tweets it like it is true, the DOJ has a lawsuit attacking it, and it's just Trump trying to change the Republican tune? Umm, ok I am not buying that one bit.

And....the Saudi's changed their tune again. It was now a premeditated killing of the journalist.

[Xville]

Megyn kelly out at nbc... cant say anything without offending someone and/or being called a racist. We have gone so far in the otheit's ridiculous it's ridiculous.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Megyn kelly out at nbc... cant say anything without offending someone and/or being called a racist. We have gone so far in the otheit's ridiculous it's ridiculous.

I get her point, after reading it since I avoid her, but she made it her point wrong. The local crappy radio show had a caller that said she was black and kids who role up in Black Panther costumes are just fine. Her point was the character and not a generalization.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

So Hannity was out campaigning for Republicans at a Trump rally. Remember when Anderson Copper and Rachel Maddow campaigned for Democrats at rallies. I don't either.

[GoMuskies]

So Hannity was out campaigning for Republicans at a Trump rally. Remember when Anderson Copper and Rachel Maddow campaigned for Democrats at rallies. I don't either.

Why would they go to rallies when they can campaign for Democrats from the comfort of their respective studios?

Happy divided government day! Looking forward to the gridlock. Only think that keeps both parties from doing a lot of stupid things.

[Xville]

I'm not sure of how to fix things, but what I do believe, is that now more than ever, we need moderates in charge, and we need more than the two-party system. The anger, extremism and division in this country is at an all time high, and members of both parties are responsible for it.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Why would they go to rallies when they can campaign for Democrats from the comfort of their respective studios?

Happy divided government day! Looking forward to the gridlock. Only think that keeps both parties from doing a lot of stupid things.

He was at the rally and spoke. That has gone too far.

[paulxu]

He was at the rally and spoke. That has gone too far.

That must be fake news.



Sean Hannity
✔
@seanhannity

In spite of reports, I will be doing a live show from Cape Girardeau and interviewing President Trump before the rally. To be clear, I will not be on stage campaigning with the President.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

That must be fake news.


.

It is, Hannity said as much from the podium last night.

[GoMuskies]

Beautiful divided government is upon us!

[Caf]

Beautiful divided government is upon us!

Brace yourselves. Executive orders are coming.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Brace yourselves. Executive orders are coming.

I am curious here because of the offense Pubs took to Obama's EOs. If the Pubs love Trumps we know it's more hypocrisy.

[GoMuskies]

I am curious here because of how Dems loved Obama's EOs. If Dems hate Trump's we know it's more hypocrisy.

[Xville]

Chuck Todd made an interesting and I believe very informative point last night. He said much like in 2016, Democrats won the popular vote, Republicans won the electoral college.

With who the Democrats candidates are now for 2020, I dont think they stand a chance against Trump.

[GoMuskies]

I cannot fathom Trump being re-elected. Just cannot see how that is even a tiny possibility.

In fairness, I thought the same thing about him being elected in the first place...pretty much up until about 8:00 on the day he was elected.

[Xville]

I cannot fathom Trump being re-elected. Just cannot see how that is even a tiny possibility.

In fairness, I thought the same thing about him being elected in the first place...pretty much up until about 8:00 on the day he was elected.

He may be the best marketer of all time, that's why. That and the fact that the economy is humming along. Now, if the economy does fall out sometime over the next few years, then all bets are off. Yet, if nothing changes and the complete moron that is Pelosi becomes speaker, trump will win in a landslide in two years.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am curious here because of how Dems loved Obama's EOs. If Dems hate Trump's we know it's more hypocrisy.

I am condemned even before I condemn any of his EOs, interesting. The difference here is that one side already derided Obama for them, the other isn't even given a chance.

That said, I would love to hear how Obama's EOs were so bad. Which ones and why? That DACA I get kind of, he allows children who were brought over illegally but who are actively trying to participate in our nation to stay. I could see how that could be perceived, but it goes with fact that Obama averaged more deportations per year than Trump has.

[bjf123]

I am curious here because of the offense Pubs took to Obama's EOs. If the Pubs love Trumps we know it's more hypocrisy.


I am curious here because of how Dems loved Obama's EOs. If Dems hate Trump's we know it's more hypocrisy.

Executive Orders have been abused by both parties. From what I understand, they’re intended more for internal administrative issues, not for going around Congress.


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[X-band '01]

Two areas to watch in 2020 as far as the Presidential election will be the Rust Belt (Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania) and the Sun Belt (Florida, Georgia and North Carolina). It's theoretically possible for Trump to still win states like Ohio and Florida but still lose the election b/c of the aforementioned Rust Belt. Whoever gets the Democratic nomination will put a lot more time in those states this time around. Georgia and North Carolina are also states that go GOP more often than not, but they are no longer dead-red states.

The Senate map is going to be much more favorable for Democrats - they'll have one tough seat to defend (Todd Jones in Alabama) but Republicans have to defend seats in places like Colorado, Iowa, North Carolina, Maine and maybe Georgia as well.

[Caf]

I am curious here because of how Dems loved Obama's EOs. If Dems hate Trump's we know it's more hypocrisy.

I am curious here because of the offense Pubs took to Obama's EOs. If the Pubs love Trumps we know it's more hypocrisy.

At this point it's a vicious cycle where EO's and highly partisan policy justifies EO's and highly partisan policy from the other party.

[STL_XUfan]

He may be the best marketer of all time, that's why. That and the fact that the economy is humming along. Now, if the economy does fall out sometime over the next few years, then all bets are off. Yet, if nothing changes and the complete moron that is Pelosi becomes speaker, trump will win in a landslide in two years.

It really is incredible how he can position anything into a heads-I-win-tails-you-lose scenario. He has successfully made the narrative that any Republican that won last night was because the electorate was voting for Trump and any Republican that lost was because the electorate was voting against the Republican because s/he wasn't enough of a Trump supporter. So even in losing the house, somehow Trump won. And the worst part is that the media just follows along and repeats his talking points.

[GoMuskies]

I am condemned even before I condemn any of his EOs, interesting. The difference here is that one side already derided Obama for them, the other isn't even given a chance.


How is the "other side" not given a chance. As long as you don't have a problem with Trump EOs, you're not a hypocrite. Here's your shot.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

How is the "other side" not given a chance. As long as you don't have a problem with Trump EOs, you're not a hypocrite. Here's your shot.

Hilarious, as long as I am happy with his regardless of what they are we are cool. Got it, again you never listed which of Obama's EOs were really terrible.

[GoMuskies]

Hilarious, as long as I am happy with his regardless of what they are we are cool. Got it, again you never listed which of Obama's EOs were really terrible.

I never said Obama's were really terrible. I just mimicked the logic of your ridiculosity. Goose/gander and all that fun stuff.

[Xavier2015]

I agree that we all are to a great extent wrapped up in our own perspective.
But we need a fact based media (not the opinion commentators) to help us see both sides (without equivocating)

But what do you do about this? This is a Trump tweet from this morning, which reaches 50 million Americans:

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-KMfZW3DAAj0/W9CS34ikTdI/AAAAAAAADYQ/5Wv02_T8fiwIqfYvFW1LLiqDEiW3SbMBACLcBGAs/s400/trumpprexistinglie.JPG

How do you even address that when it is the President of your country trying to influence voters with a lie?

Do you say...Mr President, the ACA protects preexisting conditions.
The Republicans had 70 votes to repeal the ACA.
Your justice department is in federal court arguing that the preexisting condition portion of the ACA is unconstitutional.
Your administration just issued a rule that will allow state's to let insurers drop preexisting conditions from their coverage plans.

I'm serious. How do you address the fact that the President just lies to 50 million Americans...daily?

How do you address the lies and misinformation coming from the mainstream media that reach the whole nation nightly? How do you address the propaganda and disinformation taught at institutions like Xavier? How do you address the lies spread by educators at all levels? The education system and mainstream media lie far more than Trump. I'll use one example pertaining to the education system. A lot (probably a majority) don't understand the structure of our country. We are not a democracy. We are a representative republic. The senate represents the states. The house represents the people. The federal government as a whole is severely limited by the US constitution (i know liberals hate that). The federal government is responsible for a few simple things: 1) National defense, 2) Maintaining interstate commerce, and 3) The Judicial System. There should be no Department of Education, Dept of Agriculture, etc.

[GoMuskies]

Even Snipe thinks this guy's crazy. :)

I kid, I kid. Glad to have someone new join the discussion (even if/especially if I fundamentally disagree with you). If you've followed along, you know that it's generally just the same folks beating each other up here.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I never said Obama's were really terrible. I just mimicked the logic of your ridiculosity. Goose/gander and all that fun stuff.

Merely responding to CAF and the clear disdain for Obama's EOs. If you don't think there was clear disdain for them, I invite you to sure google and read the clear disdain. Not to mention, Trump's first EOs that reversed Obama's just because he could.

Go ahead and watch Trump completely melt down at his presser today. Basically everyone is fake news, except the station that send it's people to stump for him at Rallies.

[GoMuskies]

Merely responding to CAF and the clear disdain for Obama's EOs. If you don't think there was clear disdain for them, I invite you to sure google and read the clear disdain.

I hear you. Since you clearly liked Obama's EOs, I'm certainly you'll love Trump's too unless you're a hypocrite.

[paulxu]

This thread needs a little humor:

Trump says he has 'never used racist remarks'

OK...fun's over. Back to the other stuff.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Sessions is gone.

[GoMuskies]

That's a shame. LOL

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I hear you. Since you clearly liked Obama's EOs, I'm certainly you'll love Trump's too unless you're a hypocrite.

Or look at them objectively, which I did with Obama's.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

That's a shame. LOL

Wait and see if this is a true firing and replacement or a Robert Bork moment. Hopefully the former, if it's not it will work out about as well.

[GoMuskies]

Or look at them objectively, which I did with Obama's.

I suspect the Republicans you were talking about originally are going to tell you that they looked objectively at Obama's EOs and will look objectively at Trump's. And they'll be about as likely to believe you as you will be to believe them.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I suspect the Republicans you were talking about originally are going to tell you that they looked objectively at Obama's EOs and will look objectively at Trump's. And they'll be about as likely to believe you as you will be to believe them.

The word you missed was objectively.

[GoMuskies]

The word you missed was objectively.


I didn't miss it. You're not going to believe the Republicans. And they're not going to believe you.

I don't believe either of you. :)

[Xville]

The word you missed was objectively.

It's funny when you state an opinion you agree with and pass it off as fact or objective.

[noteggs]

Hypocrisy is synonymous with politicians

[ArizonaXUGrad]

It's funny when you state an opinion you agree with and pass it off as fact or objective.

Excuse me? I objectively look at all Executive Orders especially since Obama used them with frequency. I look at the same for Trump. I actually like some of his, though other leave a lot to be desired.

The number though, if Trump continues at his current pace will out perform Obama in such. He currently has 86 in a bit under two years. I believe Obama failed to reach 300 was around 280ish.

[boozehound]

Sessions is gone.

This is going to be interesting. I thought the guy was a clown who never should have been near the AG post so I certainly won't be sad to see him go, however it certainly seems he is being fired for not doing more to prevent an investigation into the President which I'm obviously not crazy about.

Regarding the House going blue: Get ready for some wacky shit. Remember that the House is the crazy body where the nutjobs go. Similar to when the Republican house some years ago during the Obama administration spent years holding bullshit symbolic votes to repeal Obamacare even though everyone knew they had zero chance of getting through the Senate and a Veto I expect we will see all kind of theatre, and it will be ridiculous. I would like to think they would act with purpose and dignity, but there is almost no chance of that.

[GoMuskies]

Ruth Bader Ginsburg is in the hospital, Donald Trump is in the White House and Republicans still control the Senate.

The plot thickens...

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is going to be interesting. I thought the guy was a clown who never should have been near the AG post so I certainly won't be sad to see him go, however it certainly seems he is being fired for not doing more to prevent an investigation into the President which I'm obviously not crazy about.

Regarding the House going blue: Get ready for some wacky shit. Remember that the House is the crazy body where the nutjobs go. Similar to when the Republican house some years ago during the Obama administration spent years holding bullshit symbolic votes to repeal Obamacare even though everyone knew they had zero chance of getting through the Senate and a Veto I expect we will see all kind of theatre, and it will be ridiculous. I would like to think they would act with purpose and dignity, but there is almost no chance of that.

I agree, but I really hope the Dems show some sanity and just let Mueller play out. At this point, I don't think there is much to the Russia collusion. Trumps may have tried to get some dirt on Hillary from them but I doubt it was successful. I think there is more to the contact with Assange. That said, the Trumps no doubt have a lot of shady business dealings. I am sure Mueller will find something to get them on. Whether it's the tax thing, that horrid charity, or the payoffs to affect the elections, Trump certainly has tons of stuff to hide.

[X-man]

I agree, but I really hope the Dems show some sanity and just let Mueller play out. At this point, I don't think there is much to the Russia collusion. Trumps may have tried to get some dirt on Hillary from them but I doubt it was successful. I think there is more to the contact with Assange. That said, the Trumps no doubt have a lot of shady business dealings. I am sure Mueller will find something to get them on. Whether it's the tax thing, that horrid charity, or the payoffs to affect the elections, Trump certainly has tons of stuff to hide.

Trump should probably worry more about the Southern District of NY investigation than the Mueller investigation.

[paulxu]

He's worried about his tax return becoming public...and being showed up as a con man.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Trump should probably worry more about the Southern District of NY investigation than the Mueller investigation.

I think so also, that and New York people in finance have hated him for decades. He should have taken a page out of the Clinton playbook, do enough good and legal business and charity work to cover for the shady stuff you do.

[boozehound]

I agree, but I really hope the Dems show some sanity and just let Mueller play out. At this point, I don't think there is much to the Russia collusion. Trumps may have tried to get some dirt on Hillary from them but I doubt it was successful. I think there is more to the contact with Assange. That said, the Trumps no doubt have a lot of shady business dealings. I am sure Mueller will find something to get them on. Whether it's the tax thing, that horrid charity, or the payoffs to affect the elections, Trump certainly has tons of stuff to hide.

They will not show sanity. We are going to see the Democratic equivalent of the Republican's 368 Benghazi investigations. They will go absolutely nuts forming subcommittees etc. It's going to be a shit show.

[bjf123]

Releasing his tax returns will cause people’s heads to explode. I’m guessing he gets audited most years. It would not surprise me to see a lot of his real estate projects showing tax losses, which the Left will jump all over, even though he’s simply using the existing tax laws to his advantage. They’re not loopholes when the tax code allows it.

These same real estate projects probably generate positive cash flow. Nothing wrong with that.


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[Xavier2015]

https://twitter.com/Tim_Canova/status/1060575611868114944


"Caught On Video: Concerned citizen sees ballots being transported in private vehicles & transferred to rented truck on Election night. This violates all chain of custody requirements for paper ballots. Were the ballots destroyed & replaced by set of fake ballots? Investigate now!

Dirty dems in Broward County, FL trying to steal the election.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Have you ever worked an election? I did in Indiana, they have reps from both parties and several people at the election site. It would take collusion from a lot of poll workers to pull it off.


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[Xavier2015]

Have you ever worked an election? I did in Indiana, they have reps from both parties and several people at the election site. It would take collusion from a lot of poll workers to pull it off.


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1) Its broward county florida
2) Election official already was caught destroying ballots
3) They are in violation of Florida law by not reporting how many ballots were cast within 30 minutes of polls closing
4) Its the most corrupt county in America except Cook County in Illinois may be worse.
5) Almost every vote coming in late is for the dems. Happens every election

[boozehound]

Have you ever worked an election? I did in Indiana, they have reps from both parties and several people at the election site. It would take collusion from a lot of poll workers to pull it off.


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It seems like you might be engaging with a crazy person here.

[Xville]

Have you ever worked an election? I did in Indiana, they have reps from both parties and several people at the election site. It would take collusion from a lot of poll workers to pull it off.


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There it is...the "have you ever ....well I have" argument you love so much that proves nothing.

[GoMuskies]

It seems like you might be engaging with a crazy person here.

100

[Xavier2015]

It seems like you might be engaging with a crazy person here.


https://www.politico.com/states/florida/story/2017/12/15/experts-browards-elections-chief-broke-law-in-destroying-ballots-150258

Everything I stated was fact. Its not crazy.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

1) Its broward county florida
2) Election official already was caught destroying ballots
3) They are in violation of Florida law by not reporting how many ballots were cast within 30 minutes of polls closing
4) Its the most corrupt county in America except Cook County in Illinois may be worse.
5) Almost every vote coming in late is for the dems. Happens every election

There you go, if it is destruction of ballots then let them play out in front of law enforcement. Painting one an entire county or party with this is childish.

Here you go, Trump grabs women by the pussy. Dirty republicans up to their grabbing of women by their pussies.

[GoMuskies]

Do you believe that Donald Trump ACTUALLY grabs women by the pussy? Really?

[Xville]

Do you believe that Donald Trump ACTUALLY grabs women by the pussy? Really?

Have you ever met a person who grabbed a woman by the pussy?.well Arizona has, so he would know.

[paulxu]

Here's a list. Lots of pussy grabbing going on.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/trump-women-accusers/index.html

[GoMuskies]

Here's a list. Lots of pussy grabbing going on.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/14/politics/trump-women-accusers/index.html

I don't think there's anything unreasonable about believing that Trump has sexually harrassed women. I think it takes a seriously impaired person to believe that he literally has walked up to women and grabbed them by the pussy.

[paulxu]

I may be seriously impaired? Probably.

On another note, try to imagine the kitchen table talk in this household:


George Conway, the husband of White House adviser Kellyanne Conway, lambasted President Donald Trump’s appointment of Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general as “unconstitutional” in a fiery op-ed in The New York Times.

[GoMuskies]

I may be seriously impaired? Probably.

On another note, try to imagine the kitchen table talk in this household:

Are they the new James Carville/Marlee Matlin?

[paulxu]

That's probably a good comparison.

[GoMuskies]

Mary Matalin, oops. Not the excellent deaf actress.

[paulxu]

Apparently this guy graduated from Trump U.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/whitaker-company-government/index.html

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Apparently this guy graduated from Trump U.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/whitaker-company-government/index.html

CNN is fake news though. Good lord, can I have one politician that isn’t involved in shady business dealings. That seems to be a prerequisite to public office.


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[ArizonaXUGrad]

https://twitter.com/Tim_Canova/status/1060575611868114944


"Caught On Video: Concerned citizen sees ballots being transported in private vehicles & transferred to rented truck on Election night. This violates all chain of custody requirements for paper ballots. Were the ballots destroyed & replaced by set of fake ballots? Investigate now!

Dirty dems in Broward County, FL trying to steal the election.

Good lord, google Tim Canova. He is a Seth Rich conspiracy theorist. Nice try Xavier2015, I just did a quick search to see if anything came from Canova's video. I couldn't find anything and actually found the Rich stuff.

Just check the names/phone numbers on absentee ballots and be done with it. This should not be hard. When I did poling as a kid, we had counts from the machines and counts from the front desk of people who logged in at the front that were confirmed.

Republicans here in Arizona filed a lawsuit to stop the counts in Pinal and Maricopa counties of absentee ballots where signatures don't match. The two counties have differing number of days past the election where they can phone voters to rectify the signature. They want the rural counties to have the same amount of time. Why they don't is beyond me.

[Xville]

Good lord, google Tim Canova. He is a Seth Rich conspiracy theorist. Nice try Xavier2015, I just did a quick search to see if anything came from Canova's video. I couldn't find anything and actually found the Rich stuff.

Just check the names/phone numbers on absentee ballots and be done with it. This should not be hard. When I did poling as a kid, we had counts from the machines and counts from the front desk of people who logged in at the front that were confirmed.

Republicans here in Arizona filed a lawsuit to stop the counts in Pinal and Maricopa counties of absentee ballots where signatures don't match. The two counties have differing number of days past the election where they can phone voters to rectify the signature. They want the rural counties to have the same amount of time. Why they don't is beyond me.

Well, considering there are lawsuits now, the video may have done something.

Let's just be honest here....since we know politicians on both sides are full of unethical and immoral people, would it really be that much of a stretch to believe something fishy is going on in florida?

On another note, it is 2018..and we still have paper ballots? Really?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Well, considering there are lawsuits now, the video may have done something.

Let's just be honest here....since we know politicians on both sides are full of unethical and immoral people, would it really be that much of a stretch to believe something fishy is going on in florida?

On another note, it is 2018..and we still have paper ballots? Really?

Honestly, I would rather have a paper ballot with a envelope and a signature and phone number. That is what we have in Az. Google the crap in Texas regarding the automatic voting machines.

[STL_XUfan]

Well, considering there are lawsuits now, the video may have done something.

Let's just be honest here....since we know politicians on both sides are full of unethical and immoral people, would it really be that much of a stretch to believe something fishy is going on in florida?

On another note, it is 2018..and we still have paper ballots? Really?
Please god never get rid of paper ballots.

[Caf]

FOX NEWS TEAMS UP WITH CNN TO FIGHT TRUMP OVER REPORTER BAN (https://adage.com/article/media/fox-news-teams-cnn-fight-trump-reporter-ban/315627/)

This is a very nice surprise

[scoscox]

They’ve done this before and pretty regularly back the other networks. Wasn’t a surprise at all

[Caf]

They’ve done this before and pretty regularly back the other networks. Wasn’t a surprise at all

I'm not familiar with the other instances. What were they?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Me either, however, this makes 100% sense. Politics is cyclical, the media is not. If you don't back your peers, they won't back you if it happens to you.

Sinema declared the winner in Arizona. She splits her votes in Congress currently. I am hearing grumblings that Kyl will retire from McCain's seat and Doucey will put McSally in that spot.

[94GRAD]

Me either, however, this makes 100% sense. Politics is cyclical, the media is not. If you don't back your peers, they won't back you if it happens to you.

Sinema declared the winner in Arizona. She splits her votes in Congress currently. I am hearing grumblings that Kyl will retire from McCain's seat and Doucey will put McSally in that spot.

Doucey's brother lives here in Cincinnati!

[noteggs]

I'm not familiar with the other instances. What were they?

Think it was for James Rosen at Fox when Holder AG try to convict him as a co-conspirator for leaking classified info. Other outlets backed him.

[Caf]

Think it was for James Rosen at Fox when Holder AG try to convict him as a co-conspirator for leaking classified info. Other outlets backed him.

Oh I do remember that.

And it does make perfect sense for them to do it. I am still surprised though since they've consistently been Trump's mouthpiece for over 2 years. Their anchors have even campaigned for him, so I'm still not sure where the "regularly" and "Wasn't a surprise at all" from Scoscox comes from.

[STL_XUfan]

Oh I do remember that.

And it does make perfect sense for them to do it. I am still surprised though since they've consistently been Trump's mouthpiece for over 2 years. Their anchors have even campaigned for him, so I'm still not sure where the "regularly" and "Wasn't a surprise at all" from Scoscox comes from.

I forget the exact circumstances (just because there have been so many), but they have released statements or signed onto statements rebuking Trump for his actions against journalist.

[Caf]

I forget the exact circumstances (just because there have been so many), but they have released statements or signed onto statements rebuking Trump for his actions against journalist.

Maybe these stories haven't pierced a liberal bubble I'm in. I can definitely remember Shep Smith doing it a few times.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

After the Pentagon Papers didn't Nixon basically remove the Post from all White House events?

[scoscox]

Maybe these stories haven't pierced a liberal bubble I'm in. I can definitely remember Shep Smith doing it a few times.

Yes. I can’t recall ever seeing them join a lawsuit before but I’m sure it probably has happened. This is more what I was talking about though. Shep Smith, Chris Wallace and Bret Baier I’ve heard make supporting statements like this on the air in these situations

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I just saw another close race in California where both sides are claiming voter fraud. Orange and LA county, Cisneros vs. Kim with Kim claiming Cisneros is harassing counters and Cisneros claiming three of Kim's observers had to be removed.

Georgia is a mess and Florida is gonna be Florida. Florida is a cesspool, I expect that. Sinema rolls past McSally and more Trump fraud claims. It's like the guy is watching the voting scene from Gangs of New York on replay while tweeting this garbage.

[Caf]

Trump's conservative media comfort trap - Axios (https://www.axios.com/trumps-conservative-media-comfort-trap-205bf256-45f8-4110-aab5-08ad1815d33b.html)

While we're on the topic of media, this is pretty interesting and definitely true. Trump obviously hate liberal media, but it's conservative media that ends up getting him in trouble more often.

[bobbiemcgee]

Trump's continued insistence that you need an ID to buy cereal is a bit disturbing. Apparently he has never been to a supermarket and had his Nannies buy the Lucky Charms.

[paulxu]

I'm going to guess his nannies don't have ID's. Just a guess.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I'm going to guess his nannies don't have ID's. Just a guess.

Lol, funny.

Did he double down on the ID for cereal thing?

[bobbiemcgee]

Lol, funny.

Did he double down on the ID for cereal thing?

yep

https://ktvq.com/cnn-us-politics/2018/11/16/why-is-trump-talking-about-cereal-and-voter-id/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Good lord, I am beginning to believe that Times Op'ed about the goings on in the White House. It seems about right.

[boozehound]

Some pretty wacky comments about the California fires. It's like he gets literally no briefings before going in front of a camera. Raking? Finland? Almost incoherent.

[bobbiemcgee]

Raking? Finland?


RAKE NEWS! Finland translates in old language as "Land of Marshes". Short cool summers and winters down to -30, just like CA.

They do have a lot of white, beautiful blondes there that Trump wants to emigrate tho.

[JTG]

Worked with people in the forestry industry for 20 years. Managing the forests in Cal, would definitely limit wildfire damage. Keeping the forest floor clean by eliminating brush, and cutting firebreaks in the forest would curtail any damage. Considering California's susceptibility to fires, they should implement forest management.

[bobbiemcgee]

Worked with people in the forestry industry for 20 years. Managing the forests in Cal, would definitely limit wildfire damage. Keeping the forest floor clean by eliminating brush, and cutting firebreaks in the forest would curtail any damage. Considering California's susceptibility to fires, they should implement forest management.


http://thenewsflasher.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/roomba-forest.jpg

[KC4X]

Like so many other things nowadays, this should be shocking but isn’t at all...

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2018/12/st-louis-police-brutality-stockley/577174/

[GoMuskies]

So how many of you toxicly masculine, patriarchal, would-be rapists have listened to Baby It's Cold Outside this holiday season?

[xudash]

So how many of you toxicly masculine, patriarchal, would-be rapists have listened to Baby It's Cold Outside this holiday season?

At least once every day NOW.

[noteggs]

Or these 5. Just knew Rudolph would be one. How dare his father make him wear a fake nose.

https://www.indystar.com/story/news/2018/12/07/offensive-christmas-songs-baby-its-cold-rudolph-red-nosed-reindeer/2237588002/

[GoMuskies]

Time's person of the year is "journalists fighting for truth". Gross.

[bjf123]

Time's person of the year is "journalists fighting for truth". Gross.

Unfortunately, many of today’s “journalists” wouldn’t know the truth if it walked up and punched them in the nose. Accurate reporting has been replaced by a get it first and generate clicks attitude.


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[GoMuskies]

Turns out that "Baby It's Cold Outside" is partially responsible for 9/11.

https://qz.com/1491525/baby-its-cold-outside-and-the-rise-of-islamic-fundamentalism/

[Caf]

Turns out that "Baby It's Cold Outside" is partially responsible for 9/11.

https://qz.com/1491525/baby-its-cold-outside-and-the-rise-of-islamic-fundamentalism/

Offending people is big business nowadays.

'Baby, It's Cold Outside' Heats Up On Charts After Lyrics Controversy - Billboard (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8489773/baby-its-cold-outside-sales-streaming-airplay-up-lyrics-controversy?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)

[GoMuskies]

Offending people is big business nowadays.

'Baby, It's Cold Outside' Heats Up On Charts After Lyrics Controversy - Billboard (https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/8489773/baby-its-cold-outside-sales-streaming-airplay-up-lyrics-controversy?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)

Essentially, this means America is sympathetic towards Islamic terrorism.

[Caf]

Essentially, this means America is sympathetic towards Islamic terrorism.

Radical* Islamic terrorism

[Caf]

Feel the market - DJT

I wonder what's hurting the market more: A modest increase in interest rates from historic lows or 25% tariffs

[GoMuskies]

I wonder what's hurting the market more: A modest increase in interest rates from historic lows or 25% tariffs

I don't think either of those things are fundamentally affecting the market right now. I think it's just plain, vanilla volatility. Uncertainty about...practically everything.

[paulxu]

I don't think either of those things are fundamentally affecting the market right now. I think it's just plain, vanilla volatility. Uncertainty about...practically everything.

Sort of like the Muskies basketball season?

[GoMuskies]

Sort of like the Muskies basketball season?

Sadly for both the Muskies and my portfolio, that's a pretty good analogy!

[GoMuskies]

Congrats to my man Mark Holden on getting the First Step Act to the finish line. Looks like it's going to make it across.

[Muskie in dayton]

Crap like this makes my blood boil:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/miami.cbslocal.com/2018/12/28/universal-orlando-sued-ride-warning-signs/amp/

Yes I realize it’s just a filed lawsuit, but the fact that this gets anything but laughter upon filing shows just how ridiculous our legal system has become. We know Universal will end up settling and giving millions, which further rewards and enables this lunacy.

But what about the Germans? The French? Mandarin Chinese? Do we need to post signs in all public venues in all 6500 languages of the world?

Is personal accountability and using common sense no longer a thing? WTF.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Pretty good post article about IVF today. It’s told from a British point of view but shows how it’s virtually unregulated in the US. The woman in the article is going that route to ensure she gets a girl.


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[Caf]

Mitt Romney: The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump’s character falls short. - WP (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-president-shapes-the-public-character-of-the-nation-trumps-character-falls-short/2019/01/01/37a3c8c2-0d1a-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html?utm_term=.c3e588186e9e)

I'm sure you all saw this, just curious what your thoughts are. Senate Republicans have been largely supportive of Trump and even the most critical of him haven't been vocally so. Looks like Romney is going to come out swinging and clearly still has enough celebrity power to make some noise.

[GoMuskies]

I think everyone agrees with Romney. Romney will still, of course, vote with Trump on all policy that looks "Republican". As he should.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think everyone agrees with Romney. Romney will still, of course, vote with Trump on all policy that looks "Republican". As he should.

He should vote according to his constituents. If that mirrors Trump and Republicans then fine, if it deviates he should as well. Playing this team philosophy is what has gotten us divided.

[GoMuskies]

Well, he's a Senator from Utah, so his constituents are decidedly Republican.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Well, he's a Senator from Utah, so his constituents are decidedly Republican.

So is Arizona, yet we elected the Democrat version of John McCain. Sinema represents a jumble of liberal and conservative constituents and generally votes as such. That is really how government should be working.

[Juice]

Mitt Romney: The president shapes the public character of the nation. Trump’s character falls short. - WP (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/mitt-romney-the-president-shapes-the-public-character-of-the-nation-trumps-character-falls-short/2019/01/01/37a3c8c2-0d1a-11e9-8938-5898adc28fa2_story.html?utm_term=.c3e588186e9e)

I'm sure you all saw this, just curious what your thoughts are. Senate Republicans have been largely supportive of Trump and even the most critical of him haven't been vocally so. Looks like Romney is going to come out swinging and clearly still has enough celebrity power to make some noise.

I didn't read it but Romney took Trump's endorsement and also at one point lobbied Trump for a job. I like Romney but I don't want him to become to token Republican that disagrees with Trump on everything and appears on all the news shows. Romney will forget that those same news shows accused him of the same shit that they're now saying about Trump but pretend to act like Romney is a "good" Republican now that he's not running for president.

[Caf]

I like Romney but I don't want him to become to token Republican that disagrees with Trump on everything and appears on all the news shows. Romney will forget that those same news shows accused him of the same shit that they're now saying about Trump but pretend to act like Romney is a "good" Republican now that he's not running for president.

Agreed on this. Romney would be smart not to get too cozy with the news or risk losing credibility with the GOP base.

[Juice]

Agreed on this. Romney would be smart not to get too cozy with the news or risk losing credibility with the GOP base.

i.e. Kasich

[GoMuskies]

This new House is shaping up to be a bigger, more entertaining mess than Trump as President. Can Pelosi keep the crazies in line? We've already had one introduce Articles of Impeachment (steady there sonny). Another publicly said "We're going to impeach this motherfucker!" Another had this to say on Twitter: “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel." And there's the young Socialist Ocasio-Cortez. This is gonna be a wild ride!

[Xville]

Its amazing how many nutjobs get elected to office. Scary, but amazing.

Then we have our President saying something equally stupid that he is willing to shut the government down for years over the wall. Wow just wow.

[GoMuskies]

And that the Soviets rightly invaded Afghanistan....because of the terrorists! Which, I suppose, makes the U.S. a state supporter of terrorism given our support for the Mujahideen.

[Juice]

This new House is shaping up to be a bigger, more entertaining mess than Trump as President. Can Pelosi keep the crazies in line? We've already had one introduce Articles of Impeachment (steady there sonny). Another publicly said "We're going to impeach this motherfucker!" Another had this to say on Twitter: “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel." And there's the young Socialist Ocasio-Cortez. This is gonna be a wild ride!

That same woman also covered up Israel on a map in her office.

[Caf]

Then we have our President saying something equally stupid that he is willing to shut the government down for years over the wall. Wow just wow.

I wouldn't be surprised by it taking that long at this point. The impact of the shutdown has been completed gutted. The incentive to budge on an issue that led to a shutdown just isn't there anymore.

[scoscox]

I wouldn't be surprised by it taking that long at this point. The impact of the shutdown has been completed gutted. The incentive to budge on an issue that led to a shutdown just isn't there anymore.

I don't think the threat of a government shutdown has ever really resonated with the public in a significant way. It's always brought up to score political points but I don't think either sides constituency really cares that much

[bjf123]

Another had this to say on Twitter: “Israel has hypnotized the world, may Allah awaken the people and help them see the evil doings of Israel."

Which whack-a-doodle said that?


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[GoMuskies]

Which whack-a-doodle said that?


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Ilhan Omar

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, he's a Senator from Utah, so his constituents are decidedly Republican.

Corey Gardner from Purple turned Blue Colorado seems to have defected on the shutdown purely to try to keep his seat. Looks like Collins will follow suit if she wants to keep hers.

[paulxu]

I guess the perception is that the shutdown doesn't affect most Americans.
I wonder if that will change if it drags on, and things like the TSA blue flu start to back up lines at the airport.
Or if tax refunds aren't being processed and paid.

[bobbiemcgee]

Why doesn't trump take El Chapo's 15 billion and build the wall? Then he could rightfully say the Mexican paid for it. Plus he has the GoFundMe acct. that Mexicans can contribute to.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Why doesn't trump take El Chapo's 15 billion and build the wall? Then he could rightfully say the Mexican paid for it. Plus he has the GoFundMe acct. that Mexicans can contribute to.

Why not? Civil forfeiture laws allow us and we wouldn’t have to prove they were ill gotten.


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[paulxu]

Why doesn't trump take El Chapo's 15 billion and build the wall? Then he could rightfully say the Mexican paid for it. Plus he has the GoFundMe acct. that Mexicans can contribute to.

Hah! What a great idea.

[paulxu]

Nigel, did you get a piece of this?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/betting-wins-trump-speech-lies-gambling

[ArizonaXUGrad]

These lies make me wonder if he is doing it on purpose or if just isn’t aware of all the facts and does it by mistake because loves a good sound byte.


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[paulxu]

Trump: "Well, again John, there has been no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russians or Trump and Russians. No collusion.

Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort shared polling data with the Russians.

Trump:
I didn't know anything about that.

Do you suppose this is like not knowing about the Stormy Danial's payment?

[Nigel Tufnel]

Nigel, did you get a piece of this?

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/claudiakoerner/betting-wins-trump-speech-lies-gambling

Ha. Hilarious. And depressing. We live in strange times.

[noteggs]

Don’t think Trump is going to be the Gillette’s spokesperson anytime soon.

[xubrew]

Having a fast food banquet for Clemson's football team is pretty freakin' awesome! I like him a little more than I did a couple days ago!

[X-band '01]

Also interesting is Nancy Pelosi telling Donald Trump not to bother doing his State of the Union speech in Congress while the shutdown goes on. Or he can just send it in writing like every other President did prior to Woodrow Wilson in the early 20th century.

Democrats and liberals are going to be high-fiving each other until Trump figures out another venue or medium for such an address.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

So did the Pubs in the Senate even hold discussions about the pharmaceutical bill passed by the House? Would Trump have signed it if they did vote on it? I believe it was a campaign promise.


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[bobbiemcgee]

So did the Pubs in the Senate even hold discussions about the pharmaceutical bill passed by the House? Would Trump have signed it if they did vote on it?


The very Powerful Drug lobbyists are trying to drag it down. Honestly, it is a totally ridiculous situation that pharm companies in the U.S. can charge 43% more for the same exact drug that comes from overseas or Canada. This has been going on for like 50 YEARS! I used to buy my HBP drugs from Canada before I got Medicare. They arrived in the same bottle from the same pharm company I had in the US. They were manufactured in the same plant in GERMANY! The US drug was 102% more expensive. Absurd. Sometimes the shipment was "inderdicted" by the US DEA and I got a letter saying they were holding my drugs. No problem. The Canadian company would just resend my order at no charge.

We need to stop this madness. Allow the US to negogiate like every other country and even the Veteran's admin. does for drug prices. BTW. there were price increases announced on 300 drugs in the US already this year.

[paulxu]

Watching all this government shutdown is crazy.
Maybe the Senate will vote tomorrow to open the government (on a bill they already voted 100-0 in favor of); then the president can go to the House and give his State of the Union address.

[GoMuskies]

We've got to get the government open if only to pay the TSA (and anyone similarly situated working without pay).

[GoMuskies]

Some good news: we're fucking over Maduro.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/opposition-launches-protests-to-oust-maduro-as-us-venezuela-tensions-rise/2019/01/22/0416687a-1e4f-11e9-a759-2b8541bbbe20_story.html?utm_term=.2e07373b37c2

[Caf]

Not the greatest soundbite from Wilbur Ross


When asked on CNBC about reports of federal workers visiting homeless shelters to eat, Mr Ross said: “Well, I know they are and I don’t really quite understand why.” He added: “The idea that it’s pay cheque or zero is not a really valid idea. There’s no reason why some institution would not be willing to lend.”

[Masterofreality]

For all you Trump haters who think he’s nothing but a pile of “lies” you should read this about media “lies” and their own questionable “fact checking”

https://sharylattkisson.com/2019/01/22/50-media-mistakes-in-the-trump-era-the-definitive-list/

[paulxu]

69 media mistakes, by I assume all the media, in the Trump era.

Versus 8,158 false or misleading statements from Trump himself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/01/21/president-trump-made-false-or-misleading-claims-his-first-two-years/?utm_term=.bbebe07d207f

Maybe the Post made up all those statements. I don't "hate" Trump, although I'm not sure he's a very good president. But he does seem to have a big pile.

[noteggs]

I think the point Ms Attkisson was making and what I gathered from MOR’s post - just because one person may do it doesn’t make it right for the other reporting person to do it.

Quote from the article: “What’s worse, we defend ourselves by trying to convince the public that our mistakes are actually a virtue because we (sometimes) correct them. Or we blame Trump for why we’re getting so much wrong. It’s a little bit like a police officer taking someone to jail for DUI, then driving home drunk himself: he may be correct to arrest the suspect, but he should certainly know better than to commit the same violation.”

My favorite media mistake was:

“AP’s Laurie Kellman and Jonathan Drew reported that a new report showed trust in the media had fallen during the Trump presidency. But the report that AP cited was actually over a year old and was conducted while Obama was president.”

Hmmm, wonder why that would happen when Obama was President?

For those who follow politics and have about two hours to kill, worth the read.

[Juice]

Brent Scher
@BrentScher
NEW: That guy in the Fyre documentary who was willing to give a blowjob to a customs agent to save the festival just posted this picture with Kirsten Gillibrand
https://freebeacon.com/culture/key-fyre-festival-figure-andy-king-posts-picture-with-kirsten-gillibrand/ …

https://twitter.com/BrentScher/status/1088805642012377089

[GoMuskies]

I wish Howard Schultz had a shot. I'm team Howard Schultz among declared candidates.

[Xville]

I wish Howard Schultz had a shot. I'm team Howard Schultz among declared candidates.

Honestly, I don't know anything about his political views other than he said he would run as a centrist, but with what the democrats are pushing out there, that sounds wonderful to me.

I beg the democrats to come up with someone decent so I don't have to vote for Trump again.

[Caf]

I wish Howard Schultz had a shot. I'm team Howard Schultz among declared candidates.

Obviously there's a lack of substance at this point, but I liked everything I heard. He could be the most conservative candidate. Plus he seems genuinely sick of both parties. Check. Check.

[xubrew]

I hate bad politics, but I kind of enjoy political theater. Too bad it's impossible to have both.

[GoMuskies]

Honestly, I don't know anything about his political views other than he said he would run as a centrist,

That's pretty much all I've got for now, too. But that alone puts him ahead of all the other name I've heard so far (and The Donald). It's 21+ months to the election, so I'm definitely not locked in on any candidate yet, but Schultz is the first POSITIVE development for 2020 so far.

[Caf]

Quote from Schultz in Axios that I think sums it up well. I'll be watching.


"I think I've got plenty of time," he said. "I'll gauge the level of interest in what I've come to believe over the last year — that a choice between Donald Trump and a far-left-leaning progressive Democrat provides a wide and large opportunity."

[bobbiemcgee]

Hickenlooper is a beer swilling centrist and former bar owner.

[GoMuskies]

I don't know Hickenlooper, but from that description I like him. Plus, Iowa. How can you hate anyone from Iowa? (Other than maybe Chuck Grassley, but he's older than dirt, and not in the cute grampa way)

[94GRAD]

Hickenlooper is a beer swilling centrist and former bar owner.

What is wrong with being a bar owner? :drool:

[bobbiemcgee]

What is wrong with being a bar owner? :drool:

Not a thing. A nice plus imho. I've actually had a beer downtown with Hick at the Irish bar after a Rockies game. Nice guy.

[paulxu]

BJ for President !

[Caf]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/29/howard-schultz-president-protester-democrat-trumps-egotistical.html

I hope this protester knows he's doing way more to help Schultz than hurt him.

[GoMuskies]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2019/01/29/howard-schultz-president-protester-democrat-trumps-egotistical.html

I hope this protester knows he's doing way more to help Schultz than hurt him.

And if Shultz doesn't run, he'll help some asshole like Kamala Harris win. If you didn't think Democrats were power-hungry and vicious (certainly not saying they are alone in this respect), pay some attention to how they've reacted to Schultz the last couple of days.

[Caf]

And if Shultz doesn't run, he'll help some asshole like Kamala Harris win. If you didn't think Democrats were power-hungry and vicious (certainly not saying they are alone in this respect), pay some attention to how they've reacted to Schultz the last couple of days.

I'm interested in your thoughts on how he would draw voters from each party. To me, he seems just as likely to pull people from Trump as he does any of the Democrats. We see it here all of the time, the most common complaint is the parties and toxic politics.

Also history doesn't seem to be a good measure of his chances. All independents before him have been pretty out there ie Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Nader. I don't think there's been an independent who is a true moderate.

[boozehound]

I'm interested in your thoughts on how he would draw voters from each party. To me, he seems just as likely to pull people from Trump as he does any of the Democrats. We see it here all of the time, the most common complaint is the parties and toxic politics.

Also history doesn't seem to be a good measure of his chances. All independents before him have been pretty out there ie Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Nader. I don't think there's been an independent who is a true moderate.

Ross Perot was quirky, but pretty moderate / rational compared to Johnson, Stein, Nader. But that was a long time ago, so it's possible I'm mis-remembering.

[Caf]

Ross Perot was quirky, but pretty moderate / rational compared to Johnson, Stein, Nader. But that was a long time ago, so it's possible I'm mis-remembering.

Wow - he got 19% of the popular vote. That's a great comparison actually.

[paulxu]

The pot stirring this guy is doing is very reminiscent of Perot.

[noteggs]

Heck Schultz got my ear when he discussed National debt being a big issue. If he has real plans to balance, I’m might be tempted to make the same mistake I did in 1992.

Hard to believe when I got sucked into the whole budget stuff with Perot and it was 5 trillion vs 21 trillion today. Seems like a popular topic to run on, then no one does a damn thing about it once they get to DC.

[Juice]

Heck Schultz got my ear when he discussed National debt being a big issue. If he has real plans to balance, I’m might be tempted to make the same mistake I did in 1992.

Hard to believe when I got sucked into the whole budget stuff with Perot and it was 5 trillion vs 21 trillion today. Seems like a popular topic to run on, then no one does a damn thing about it once they get to DC.

As a republican voter, it pisses me off that this is accurate.

[noteggs]

As a republican voter, it pisses me off that this is accurate.

Yea, pisses me off as well. Try being a small government Libertarian who votes mostly for conservative Republicans - ouch!

Feel like Richard Gere in the Officer and the Gentleman, “but I got no where else to go!”

[bjf123]

Yea, pisses me off as well. Try being a small government Libertarian who votes mostly for conservative Republicans - ouch!

Feel like Richard Gere in the Officer and the Gentleman, “but I got no where else to go!”

Agreed. It would be great if a 3rd party candidate actually had a chance of getting elected at the national level. The current two party system clearly has both more concerned with maintaining, or expanding, their power, while making sure the other side loses power.


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[boozehound]

Heck Schultz got my ear when he discussed National debt being a big issue. If he has real plans to balance, I’m might be tempted to make the same mistake I did in 1992.

Hard to believe when I got sucked into the whole budget stuff with Perot and it was 5 trillion vs 21 trillion today. Seems like a popular topic to run on, then no one does a damn thing about it once they get to DC.

I agree. The problem is that most of the stuff we would have to do to balance the budget (never mind actually paying DOWN the debt) is unpopular with voters. What is popular with voters is running up the debt to promise the things your voter base wants. If you are a Democrat it's social programs and free shit, if you are a Republican it's tax cuts and military.

[X Factor]

So after a picture on Virginia Governor Ralph Northam's medical school yearbook page surfaces showing him in a KKK outfit or blackface, he admits to it and apologizes. Now, he backtracks and says he's "not sure" if that is actually him in the picture! His college yearbook from VMI lists one of his nicknames as "Coonman"! LOL. He is refusing to resign. This guy is something else.

Never mind the fact that this past he week he argued in favor of infanticide.

How did the media not know about this picture while he was running for Governor?? I mean, the media quickly dug up Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbook and dissected over every single word in it.

[Juice]

So after a picture on Virginia Governor Ralph Northam's medical school yearbook page surfaces showing him in a KKK outfit or blackface, he admits to it and apologizes. Now, he backtracks and says he's "not sure" if that is actually him in the picture! His college yearbook from VMI lists one of his nicknames as "Coonman"! LOL. He is refusing to resign. This guy is something else.

Never mind the fact that this past he week he argued in favor of infanticide.

How did the media not know about this picture while he was running for Governor?? I mean, the media quickly dug up Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbook and dissected over every single word in it.

And let's not forget that he admitted to wearing blackface at another point when dressing as Michael Jackson.

And also, he said this about his opponent:

Ralph Northam
‏@RalphNortham
VA is an inclusive and diverse community—we won't put up with Ed Gillespie's racist rhetoric and fearmongering.

[paulxu]

The oppo research team against this guy must have not been very good.

[GoMuskies]

I can’t believe we actually give a fuck about any of this.

[scoscox]

I can’t believe we actually give a fuck about any of this.

His handling of this has been laugh out loud funny.

[Juice]

I can’t believe we actually give a fuck about any of this.

You're right.

[boozehound]

His handling of this has been laugh out loud funny.

I'm always a big fan (comedically) of the 'shaggy defense'. i.e. "It wasn't me". Feels like we can probably get to the bottom of this one pretty easily...

[Masterofreality]

The oppo research team against this guy must have not been very good.

And I guess that means the Washington Post, that yellow Bezos snot rag which couldn't wait to salivate and print stuff about Roy Moore and Kavanaugh with questionable or zero corroboration, somehow couldn't find this obvious stuff on a guy who was running for governor in the state where part of their operations are? Wow. I guess Democracy Doesn't Die in Darkness, that is, if it's the Darkness that obscures your sides bullshit. Then it's OK.

[paulxu]

Generally the candidate does oppo research on the other guy.
(see Trump Tower meeting where they tried to get Russia's help on oppo research)

In this case, the website which found the photo is the same one that pushed the Seth Rich was murdered nonsense.

[Caf]

And I guess that means the Washington Post, that yellow Bezos snot rag which couldn't wait to salivate and print stuff about Roy Moore and Kavanaugh with questionable or zero corroboration, somehow couldn't find this obvious stuff on a guy who was running for governor in the state where part of their operations are? Wow. I guess Democracy Doesn't Die in Darkness, that is, if it's the Darkness that obscures your sides bullshit. Then it's OK.

A medical school yearbook is 'obvious stuff'? Also the Roy Moore stuff was brought to WP. If we hear that someone came to WP and told them about this and they buried it then your point makes sense.

[X-band '01]

I can’t believe we actually give a fuck about any of this.

Or at least when it's convenient for the opposite party. Virginia's governor AND Attorney General have both apparently worn blackface in the past and the lieutenant governor is now accused of sexual assault.

It's only a matter of time before skeletons of their state House speaker (Republican Kirk Cox) become public; he's next in their line of succession if they all end up resigning or get removed from office.

[noteggs]

It's only a matter of time before skeletons of their state House speaker (Republican Kirk Cox) become public; he's next in their line of succession if they all end up resigning or get removed from office.

You were damn close on this prediction. Looks like Virginia’s Republican majority state Senator was editor of VMI’s yearbook in 1968 (yup 50 years ago) and had pictures of students wearing black face. Looks like we’ve entered the world of what about ism.

Which reminds me, when I get home tonight I’m going to find all my yearbooks and burn them. Not taking any chances.

[X Factor]

A medical school yearbook is 'obvious stuff'? Also the Roy Moore stuff was brought to WP. If we hear that someone came to WP and told them about this and they buried it then your point makes sense.

It took the media about .2 seconds to find Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbook and pour over every word and page.

ALSO, Vanessa Tyson, DID go to the Washington Post in 2017 and told them about her allegations!!! Guess what? They didn't do anything with it!

[Lloyd Braun]

It took the media about .2 seconds to find Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbook and pour over every word and page.

ALSO, Vanessa Tyson, DID go to the Washington Post in 2017 and told them about her allegations!!! Guess what? They didn't do anything with it!

Preface: It is very difficult to find unbiased, trustful media. It seems like every story has a motive of some sort.

You can not compare the lifetime nomination of a Supreme Court justice to that of the election of a governor, or any position. The Supreme Court nominee is not running for an office, and therefore has no opponents. So comparing the vetting of Kavanaugh to lack of vetting for a state-elected official is apples and oranges.

What I read on the Tyson story is that they were unable to corroborate her story. That she brought the story to a friend at the Washington Post and it was investigated (to what extent is unclear) and could not corroborate anything to publish it as a story. I don’t know what true and what isn’t these days, but at least we should be making the same comparisons if we are holding all media to the same standard.

[X Factor]

Preface: It is very difficult to find unbiased, trustful media. It seems like every story has a motive of some sort.

You can not compare the lifetime nomination of a Supreme Court justice to that of the election of a governor, or any position. The Supreme Court nominee is not running for an office, and therefore has no opponents. So comparing the vetting of Kavanaugh to lack of vetting for a state-elected official is apples and oranges.

What I read on the Tyson story is that they were unable to corroborate her story. That she brought the story to a friend at the Washington Post and it was investigated (to what extent is unclear) and could not corroborate anything to publish it as a story. I don’t know what true and what isn’t these days, but at least we should be making the same comparisons if we are holding all media to the same standard.

Absolutely NO ONE could corroborate Christine Blasey Ford's story and the media still went all out on it. There were multiple "accusers" who straight up made stuff up that the media reported on without knowing anything. Four or five women literally made up accusations against Kavanaugh and the media printed stories as if they were credible.

And don't give the apples to oranges comparison in the era of #metoo. This guy was the Lt. Govenor of Virginia and his accuser, who is a lot more credible than Christine Blasey Ford, came to Washington Post over a year ago and told them about her sexual assault.


An aide to Rep. Bobby Scott (D-VA) confirmed Wednesday that the congressman learned details of an allegation of sexual assault against Lt. Gov. Justin Fairfax (D-VA) over a year ago, according to a report.
Dr. Vanessa Tyson, the California professor who is accusing of Fairfax of sexual assault, reached out to Scott’s office by email on November 29th, saying she had an issue with the Virginia Lt. Gov. and expressed her desire to “talk about it.” The following month, Tyson detailed the assault allegation directly to Scott in a text message exchange, ABC News said.

A lot of people knew about this. Crickets.

[Lloyd Braun]

Absolutely NO ONE could corroborate Christine Blasey Ford's story and the media still went all out on it. There were multiple "accusers" who straight up made stuff up that the media reported on without knowing anything. Four or five women literally made up accusations against Kavanaugh and the media printed stories as if they were credible.

And don't give the apples to oranges comparison in the era of #metoo. This guy was the Lt. Govenor of Virginia and his accuser, who is a lot more credible than Christine Blasey Ford, came to Washington Post over a year ago and told them about her sexual assault.



A lot of people knew about this. Crickets.

Again, it is apples and oranges regardless of #metoo. They absolutely pick and choose whom they smear and whom they don’t. But it is unlikely due to party lines as much as you may like to think or are implying. It is about clicks, website visits, etc... What is more interesting, state government officials in Virginia whom nobody outside of Virginia knows, or Kavanaugh, the Supreme Court justice nominee that most people around the country that pay attention to news are familiar?

[Caf]

ALSO, Vanessa Tyson, DID go to the Washington Post in 2017 and told them about her allegations!!! Guess what? They didn't do anything with it!

I hadn't heard this. Can you share a link?

[Lloyd Braun]

Side note that I found funny/ironic: Fairfax retained the same attorneys as Kavanaugh.... and Tyson retained the same attorneys as Blasey Ford!

[Juice]

It took the media about .2 seconds to find Brett Kavanaugh's high school yearbook and pour over every word and page.

ALSO, Vanessa Tyson, DID go to the Washington Post in 2017 and told them about her allegations!!! Guess what? They didn't do anything with it!

#BelieveAllWomen I believe was the motto/hashtag. Like most shit, it only matter when a republican is accused.

[Juice]

Preface: It is very difficult to find unbiased, trustful media. It seems like every story has a motive of some sort.

You can not compare the lifetime nomination of a Supreme Court justice to that of the election of a governor, or any position. The Supreme Court nominee is not running for an office, and therefore has no opponents. So comparing the vetting of Kavanaugh to lack of vetting for a state-elected official is apples and oranges.

What I read on the Tyson story is that they were unable to corroborate her story. That she brought the story to a friend at the Washington Post and it was investigated (to what extent is unclear) and could not corroborate anything to publish it as a story. I don’t know what true and what isn’t these days, but at least we should be making the same comparisons if we are holding all media to the same standard.

They were at least able to corroborate (from his admission) an actual sexual act. The media couldn't even corroborate if Kavanaugh and Ford were even at the same party/house let alone if there was any type of sexual contact.

[Juice]

This is also nice of Mr. Fairfax:


Justin Fairfax said “fuck that bitch” as he tried to discredit his accuser during a private meeting Monday night, sources tell @NBCNews’ @GeoffRBennett and me.

[Juice]

I hadn't heard this. Can you share a link?

https://www.dailywire.com/news/43013/washington-post-refused-run-sketchy-sex-assault-ashe-schow

[Lloyd Braun]

They were at least able to corroborate (from his admission) an actual sexual act. The media couldn't even corroborate if Kavanaugh and Ford were even at the same party/house let alone if there was any type of sexual contact.

I feel that makes it more difficult. She admitted to a consensual act and accused him of crossing the line. That’s a far different picture than holding her down and smothering her. The double standard is on both sides.... are Republicans calling for her personal history to be investigated to verify her credibility? Are Democrats calling for him to resign? Neither are true atm which reinforces both sides are assholes.