Politics Thread

[Caf]

Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html)

Somewhat relevant to previous discussions.

[Xville]

Amazon raises minimum wage to $15 for all US employees (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/amazon-raises-minimum-wage-to-15-for-all-us-employees.html)

Somewhat relevant to previous discussions.

Ah yes amazon that benevolent company that cares about their workers. For how great and convenient amazon is as a consumer, they are an extremely dangerous company to the us economy. I'm all for capitalism, but amazon is creating a monopoly in several sectors of business and it is honestly a bit scary. Where is their second hq going to be? Close enough to DC that's for damn sure...why? Lobbyists, so government doesnt eventually break up their business.

If you haven't read "the four" it is a detailed look at amazon, apple, facebook and google and how they are essentially dominating the world. It's a great read and extremely insightful for anyone in the business world.

Thru Bernie's quote that praises Bezos and Amazon , it is quite apparent he either 1.) Has zero clue of the operations of Amazon and what that company is doing or 2.) Politicizing this as something that he got amazon to do

[Lamont Sanford]

Congratulations on the twins...mine are 2. The first year is rough....everyone said it would get easier, it did.

Car prices are insane and I believe there is room here for the next big disruptor....whoever comes up with it, is going to be a very rich person.

My wife and I have 8 year old twin girls and an 11 year old girl. Trust me, living in a house full of women, it never gets easier!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Ah yes amazon that benevolent company that cares about their workers. For how great and convenient amazon is as a consumer, they are an extremely dangerous company to the us economy. I'm all for capitalism, but amazon is creating a monopoly in several sectors of business and it is honestly a bit scary. Where is their second hq going to be? Close enough to DC that's for damn sure...why? Lobbyists, so government doesnt eventually break up their business.

If you haven't read "the four" it is a detailed look at amazon, apple, facebook and google and how they are essentially dominating the world. It's a great read and extremely insightful for anyone in the business world.

Thru Bernie's quote that praises Bezos and Amazon , it is quite apparent he either 1.) Has zero clue of the operations of Amazon and what that company is doing or 2.) Politicizing this as something that he got amazon to do

Bernie has been an open critic of Amazon. Just because he praises them for raising their lowest wage, going to $15 is a good thing, doesn't mean he tosses a blanket approval across the company as a whole.

[JTG]

Booze, we test drove and Outback among others. The Outback was the clear winner though my wife has 'station wagon' reservations. I have sticker shock on it, but after owning a WRX for 10 years of modifying and driving it like I stold it I am sold on Subaru. I like the eyesight safety options as well since my wife sucks at driving. With that we are in the 31k range. I never thought I would spend more on a vehicle than my Tacoma.

I just bought a used Outback v6 for 15k. It had every option they offer, and 71,000 miles. Go on Carguru about 3 months brfore you plan on buying. Have a search range of 100 miles, and chances are you can find a good used one, at an affordable price.

[Pete Delkus]

Yesterday mid evening Headline: "Kavanaugh Altercation Involving Throwing Ice". (CNN & Others)

A collective laugh by most on Twitter

Yesterday late evening Headline: "Kavanaugh Involved in Bar Fight" (CNN & Others)

Our "Trusted" media is a joke!!!!! Clearly changing a headline to further a political cause...just a joke.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yesterday mid evening Headline: "Kavanaugh Altercation Involving Throwing Ice". (CNN & Others)

A collective laugh by most on Twitter

Yesterday late evening Headline: "Kavanaugh Involved in Bar Fight" (CNN & Others)

Our "Trusted" media is a joke!!!!! Clearly changing a headline to further a political cause...just a joke.

I would say more likely it's just click bait. Ad revenue pays the bills and clicks determine how much they can charge.

[Pete Delkus]

I would say more likely it's just click bait. Ad revenue pays the bills and clicks determine how much they can charge.

James Earl Jones: "This is CNN - likely click bait"


Which begs the question, if CNN & other news sources are just click bait, written in hyperbole & vagueness, is a Trump completely correct, or just partially right with his "Fake News" proclamation?

[Caf]

James Earl Jones: "This is CNN - likely click bait"


Which begs the question, if CNN & other news sources are just click bait, written in hyperbole & vagueness, is a Trump completely correct, or just partially right with his "Fake News" proclamation?

The Media Bubble Is Worse Than You Think - Politico (https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048)

Questions of the media always make me think back to this article form Politico. They frame the change in the reputations of the urban-liberal newspapers and TV shows as a result of local and conservative newspaper's demise. Long story short, the papers and news stations labeled as "fake news" have changed very little, their prominence in the media landscape has changed drastically. They have always covered these things in this way, there are just fewer outlets providing the other coverage and angles.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

James Earl Jones: "This is CNN - likely click bait"


Which begs the question, if CNN & other news sources are just click bait, written in hyperbole & vagueness, is a Trump completely correct, or just partially right with his "Fake News" proclamation?

CNN and Fox News cancel each other out. That isn't even fair to CNN here as Fox is so far out there they aren't even credible anymore. I would put MSNBC on there but they still have Maddow who is probably the best journalist out there right now.

[Juice]

Palo Alto city records show that a building permit for an additional room and exterior door was issued to Ford and her husband on Feb. 4, 2008 — more than four years before the May 2012 therapy session where, she says, she first identified Kavanaugh as her attacker.

All the remodeling, including a new bathroom, was completed by February 2010. The only additional permits issued to Ford at her Palo Alto address are for "solar panels" on the roof, a "solar hot water system” in the garage, and an “electric vehicle charge station” for the driveway -- all of which were issued after 2012.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2018/10/02/building_documents_undermine_fords_exit_door_accou nt.html

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I just bought a used Outback v6 for 15k. It had every option they offer, and 71,000 miles. Go on Carguru about 3 months brfore you plan on buying. Have a search range of 100 miles, and chances are you can find a good used one, at an affordable price.

I am in a problematic area here. We live in a part of the country that regularly has summer temps in excess of 110 degress and a 6-7 month period where temps average 100+. I am not sure buying her a car to cart around two children in that kind of climate with 71k miles on it is prudent or safe. There are too many what-ifs in that scenario that involve her and my children on the side of the road with road temps exceeding 120 degrees with a broken down car.

This was my point a few months ago regarding the purchase of vehicles. If you don't live in an extreme climate, you just don't understand the value of a new vehicle and its reliability vs a used vehicle and it's question marks.

We don't live in the midwest. Our winters are great, but our summers are absolutely brutal and continue to get worse. Decreasing the odds of having a any kind of summer car trouble with little children in the car and extreme heat seems like a no-brainer to me.

[bjf123]

CNN and Fox News cancel each other out. That isn't even fair to CNN here as Fox is so far out there they aren't even credible anymore. I would put MSNBC on there but they still have Maddow who is probably the best journalist out there right now.

I think the downfall started for all news organizations a number of years ago, (maybe in the mid 80s?) when CBS put the news division under the control of the entertainment division. At that point, it became all about ratings and revenue instead of quality investigations and reporting.


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[xudash]

CNN and Fox News cancel each other out. That isn't even fair to CNN here as Fox is so far out there they aren't even credible anymore. I would put MSNBC on there but they still have Maddow who is probably the best journalist out there right now.

You've been in the heat too long.

[JTG]

I am in a problematic area here. We live in a part of the country that regularly has summer temps in excess of 110 degress and a 6-7 month period where temps average 100+. I am not sure buying her a car to cart around two children in that kind of climate with 71k miles on it is prudent or safe. There are too many what-ifs in that scenario that involve her and my children on the side of the road with road temps exceeding 120 degrees with a broken down car.

This was my point a few months ago regarding the purchase of vehicles. If you don't live in an extreme climate, you just don't understand the value of a new vehicle and its reliability vs a used vehicle and it's question marks.

We don't live in the midwest. Our winters are great, but our summers are absolutely brutal and continue to get worse. Decreasing the odds of having a any kind of summer car trouble with little children in the car and extreme heat seems like a no-brainer to me.

My point was the Outback at 70k, is good for another 100k. And I might argue that -20 is just as dangerous as 100+. But I understand getting a new car. I got spoiled with 40 yrs of new cars courtesy of company I worked for.

[bobbiemcgee]

My backup is AAA and Uber/Lyft but 20 yr. old Odyssey still strong @ 212k.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

You've been in the heat too long.

Google Maddow’s credentials and education. She fact checks and does quality journalism. Just because you don’t like the source material and her slant doesn’t make the work any less factual.


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[GoMuskies]

This is amazing. A way too large portion of academia is such a fucking mess right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k&feature=youtu.be

[Caf]

This is amazing. A way to large portion of academia is such a fucking mess right now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVk9a5Jcd1k&feature=youtu.be

I was just reading about this.

Fake News Comes to Academia - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/fake-news-comes-to-academia-1538520950?mod=hp_opin_pos2)

Some hilarious lines throughout that piece.


Still, the paper claims dog parks are “petri dishes for canine ‘rape culture’ ” and issues “a call for awareness into the different ways dogs are treated on the basis of their gender and queering behaviors, and the chronic and perennial rape emergency dog parks pose to female dogs.”

[bjf123]

That’s both hysterical and scary. Too bad the WSJ article is behind a paywall.


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[xudash]

Google Maddow’s credentials and education. She fact checks and does quality journalism. Just because you don’t like the source material and her slant doesn’t make the work any less factual.


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No, you've been in the heat too long:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/rachel-maddow/

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rachel-maddow-called-out-by-fellow-liberals-for-pushing-anti-trump-conspiracy

I could go on and on with this stuff, just as you would want to go on and on about Sean Hannity.

Don't pretend for a minute that this loon is balanced in her reporting. You're credibility here only gets worse as is mine with you.

[XU 87]

google maddow’s credentials and education. She fact checks and does quality journalism. Just because you don’t like the source material and her slant doesn’t make the work any less factual.


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hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[GoMuskies]

I respect Maddow. I think she's good at what she does. But what she does is partisan hackery. I'd compare her to a Ben Shapiro.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

No, you've been in the heat too long:

https://www.politifact.com/personalities/rachel-maddow/

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/rachel-maddow-called-out-by-fellow-liberals-for-pushing-anti-trump-conspiracy

I could go on and on with this stuff, just as you would want to go on and on about Sean Hannity.

Don't pretend for a minute that this loon is balanced in her reporting. You're credibility here only gets worse as is mine with you.

Again not saying balanced, but at least she states facts and back them up. Hannity is an opinionated hack who provides zero support whatsoever.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Seriously, worst post of the day.

[XU 87]

Seriously, worst post of the day.

Neh, I'll go with your post claiming how factually accurate Rachel Maddow is. Since you agree with her opinions, she must be factually correct, right?

[Caf]

IMHO anyone talking politics at night is generally trash. If for some ungodly reason you want to watch a political talk show after a day of work you're either a passionate part of your party's base or looking for some drama. Either way they feed you what you're looking for.

[ChicagoX]

An updated Media Bias Chart can be found here: Media Bias Chart: Version 4.0 - August 2018 (https://www.adfontesmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Media-Bias-Chart_4.0_8_28_2018-min.jpg)

Breakdowns of bias on individual cable "news" shows can also be found at https://www.adfontesmedia.com/.

[Juice]

Oh



Chad Pergram
@ChadPergram
Fox has learned that Senate doxing suspect Jackson Kosko also worked or interned yrs ago w/Dem CA Sen Feinstein, the top Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Committee. Had also worked for Dem Sens Boxer/Hassan & interned up until now w/Dem TX Rep Jackson Lee

[GoMuskies]

Well, now that the Senate has the FBI report, I'm sure both sides will give it a fair reading and agree 100% (or at least 99%) on the conclusions to be drawn from it. Grassley and Feinstein will likely hold hands at the joint press conference.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Well, now that the Senate has the FBI report, I'm sure both sides will give it a fair reading and agree 100% (or at least 99%) on the conclusions to be drawn from it. Grassley and Feinstein will likely hold hands at the joint press conference.

That is hilarious.

Damage is done here. Kavanaugh will carry this weight the rest of his career and the media drudge up his horrid testimony for years to come.

[bjf123]

Well, now that the Senate has the FBI report, I'm sure both sides will give it a fair reading and agree 100% (or at least 99%) on the conclusions to be drawn from it. Grassley and Feinstein will likely hold hands at the joint press conference.

How long did it take to type that? I’m guessing the belly laughs made it difficult to keep your fingers on the keyboard.


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[bigdiggins]

That is hilarious.

Damage is done here. Kavanaugh will carry this weight the rest of his career and the media drudge up his horrid testimony for years to come.

He should sue Dr. Ford for slander.

[Caf]

Obviously the polarization in this country is nothing new, but I can't recall an event that has divided people more than this has.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

He should sue Dr. Ford for slander.

He won't win, see our slander laws they side with the accuser. Now in Europe, the case is a tad different as they lean to the accused party.

I find this quite funny. We know for certain that Kavanaugh at the minimum deliberately slanted his testimony and misrepresented others testimony to his favor. At worst, he lied. We know he lied regarding his behavior in both High School and College. We also saw him completely melt down last Thursday even noting a Clinton conspiracy. All this marginalia is enough to show he isn't Supreme Court justice material or any judge material for that matter. Why back him so hard? Are there no other conservative justices out there beyond reproach?

[Juice]

He won't win, see our slander laws they side with the accuser. Now in Europe, the case is a tad different as they lean to the accused party.

I find this quite funny. We know for certain that Kavanaugh at the minimum deliberately slanted his testimony and misrepresented others testimony to his favor. At worst, he lied. We know he lied regarding his behavior in both High School and College. We also saw him completely melt down last Thursday even noting a Clinton conspiracy. All this marginalia is enough to show he isn't Supreme Court justice material or any judge material for that matter. Why back him so hard? Are there no other conservative justices out there beyond reproach?

We do?

And because it's not about him. It's about the tactics used by Feinstein and the rest of them. In the words of Barack Obama, elections have consequences. And democrats haven't seemed to grasp that since Hillary lost.

[XU 87]

We do?



Yes, because Rachel Maddow said so.

[Juice]

Yes, because Rachel Maddow said so.

I forgot she's one of the best journalists out there.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

We do?

And because it's not about him. It's about the tactics used by Feinstein and the rest of them. In the words of Barack Obama, elections have consequences. And democrats haven't seemed to grasp that since Hillary lost.

It is about Kavanaugh (if it wasn't Gorsuch would have suffered the same fate), Party of Trump made the court political when they didn't even discuss Garland. This is the political division sown by current GOP'ers or POT'ers who so heavily back their leader. To look at politics in the present neglects to understand the cyclical nature of it.

Elections do have consequences, the people will suffer Trump's four years and in subsequent years. Party of Trump'ers will suffer when the big wheel of politics swings in the other direction which it inevitably does. When that happens, new leadership will be forced to deal with the consequences of the current.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yes, because Rachel Maddow said so.

Seriously, you offer nothing why do you post here?

[XU 87]

Seriously, you offer nothing why do you post here?

One thing I offer is how ridiculous your posts are (such as claiming how factually objective Rachel Maddow is and claiming that the reason Blasey didn't go to the police is because she was afraid that Kavanaugh's mother would have just covered it all up.)

In short, don't write such unsupportable nonsense and I would have nothing to comment on.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

One thing I offer is how ridiculous your posts are (such as claiming how factually objective Rachel Maddow is and claiming that the reason Blasey didn't go to the police is because she was afraid that Kavanaugh's mother would have just covered it all up.)

In short, don't write such unsupportable nonsense and I would have nothing to comment on.

I am sorry after years at Xavier you never learned empathy. I am also sorry you never learned mutual respect even if your views don't match someone else's views. These are pretty easy things most educated people understand.

Good question, is it possible a naive 15 year old girl who was just assaulted might keep quiet because she knew or heard the assaulter's mother was a DA? I have seen children stay quiet about things because of less, it is not a stretch to think this a possibility.

Again, Maddow runs a nightly show. She is going to make a few mistakes. She is actually one of if not the best of the nightly shows. You are going to find instances she made mistakes, she is human. But on the aggregate, she is right most of the time. You might not agree with her narrative, but her facts are nonetheless correct. Using liar liar pants on fire, doesn't cut it.

[Xville]

He won't win, see our slander laws they side with the accuser. Now in Europe, the case is a tad different as they lean to the accused party.

I find this quite funny. We know for certain that Kavanaugh at the minimum deliberately slanted his testimony and misrepresented others testimony to his favor. At worst, he lied. We know he lied regarding his behavior in both High School and College. We also saw him completely melt down last Thursday even noting a Clinton conspiracy. All this marginalia is enough to show he isn't Supreme Court justice material or any judge material for that matter. Why back him so hard? Are there no other conservative justices out there beyond reproach?

Been watching your fact based hard hitting non-slanted pal Maddow again huh?

[Xville]

I am sorry after years at Xavier you never learned empathy. I am also sorry you never learned mutual respect even if your views don't match someone else's views. These are pretty easy things most educated people understand.

Good question, is it possible a naive 15 year old girl who was just assaulted might keep quiet because she knew or heard the assaulter's mother was a DA? I have seen children stay quiet about things because of less, it is not a stretch to think this a possibility.

Again, Maddow runs a nightly show. She is going to make a few mistakes. She is actually one of if not the best of the nightly shows. You are going to find instances she made mistakes, she is human. But on the aggregate, she is right most of the time. You might not agree with her narrative, but her facts are nonetheless correct. Using liar liar pants on fire, doesn't cut it.

Hi Pot meet kettle....you really fit your party's lines quite well.....telling others how to think and feel and then scolding them when they don't support your views. Are you a celebrity??

Maybe seek your own advice here and have empathy for a man that has been raked over the coals by an event that may or may not have ever happened and whose reputation has a black mark based on hearsay.

[XU 87]

I am sorry after years at Xavier you never learned empathy. I am also sorry you never learned mutual respect even if your views don't match someone else's views. These are pretty easy things most educated people understand.

Good question, is it possible a naive 15 year old girl who was just assaulted might keep quiet because she knew or heard the assaulter's mother was a DA? I have seen children stay quiet about things because of less, it is not a stretch to think this a possibility.

Again, Maddow runs a nightly show. She is going to make a few mistakes. She is actually one of if not the best of the nightly shows. You are going to find instances she made mistakes, she is human. But on the aggregate, she is right most of the time. You might not agree with her narrative, but her facts are nonetheless correct. Using liar liar pants on fire, doesn't cut it.

I am sorry that you are so blinded by your ideology that you feel you can just make things up, make outlandish and unsupportable statements, and then claim they are "facts". I am so sorry that you are so blinded to your ideology that you think Rachel Maddow is "right" on the "facts" almost all of the time. Again, just because you agree with her opinion on something doesn't mean that she has her "facts" correct. You apparently don't understand the difference between commentary and factual reporting.

As for your second paragraph, can you give me one shred of evidence that occurred in this case? She never said that in her hearing or any interviews. Instead, you just wildly speculate about things and then conjure in your own mind that your fantasies are actually facts.

[GoMuskies]

So...Kavanaugh is going to get confirmed, Heitkamp has sealed her fate, Trump's approval ratings are about as high as they've ever been, and Republicans who were pretty blah about the mid-terms are now fired the hell up.

Well played Democrats, well played.

[XU 87]

So...Kavanaugh is going to get confirmed, Heitkamp has sealed her fate, Trump's approval ratings are about as high as they've ever been, and Republicans who were pretty blah about the mid-terms are now fired the hell up.

Well played Democrats, well played.

Interesting.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/654015874/poll-amid-kavanaugh-confirmation-battle-democratic-enthusiasm-edge-evaporates?platform=hootsuite

[bobbiemcgee]

Interesting.

https://www.npr.org/2018/10/03/654015874/poll-amid-kavanaugh-confirmation-battle-democratic-enthusiasm-edge-evaporates?platform=hootsuite

"The Republicans' approach has been, and continues to be, all about the base," Miringoff said. "This is their M.O., and that's what we're seeing. That works if turnout is not high."

Dems blew the last election bcuz they didn't get the vote out. No enthusiasm for Hillary. They have a big surplus in registered voters but need to get them to the polls.

[Caf]

Dems blew the last election bcuz they didn't get the vote out. No enthusiasm for Hillary. They have a big surplus in registered voters but need to get them to the polls.

We're basically at the point where the Democratic Party stands for not being Donald Trump. Don't get me wrong, that's a pretty solid place to be right now, but they don't add anything except that. What does the democratic party stand for? Medicare for all? ACA? Decreased defense? Breaking up financial institutions? I genuinely have no clue and I'm an independent in a blue district - not great. Trump could be bad enough to drive people to the polls, but having an agenda that can move the country forward might be better. Just a thought.

[bigdiggins]

We do?

And because it's not about him. It's about the tactics used by Feinstein and the rest of them. In the words of Barack Obama, elections have consequences. And democrats haven't seemed to grasp that since Hillary lost.

Yes. Former classmates from 35 years ago said he blacked out and took part in gang rapes, and he testified he didn't, so obviously he lied.

[Masterofreality]

Between this below, published today in The Hill, and this disgraceful exhibition of Tomfoolery & HiJinks in the failing effort to destroy Brett Kavanaugh, the Democrats are burying themselves in a Mud Pit that they may never escape from.
I've been around for a very long time and seen all kinds of Dirty Politics, but these instances take the cake.
Confirm Kavanaugh and Prosecute the DNC for Collusion. How the worm has turned, but you'll never see that reported in the CNN/WaPo/MSNBC/NBC/ABC sphere. They just want to burn the world down.

God forbid that any of us get accused in a high profile case where A) The Accuser can't give any details as to where, when, how and who, other than you. B) There are no confirming witnesses that back up the accusation. C) When called upon to provide the documents that allegedly support the accusers account, the accusers lawyers refuse to provide them- even under court order. D) Some activist press entity decides that despite over 30 years of distinguished service plus the written support, sometimes under penalty of felony, of hundreds of people who know and have known you, they will seek to destroy you, your family and your life. E) When the first case is falling apart, they try to nail you on stuff you did when a college student. This Kavanagh debacle is a country rending travesty.

God help us all.

https://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/409817-russia-collusion-bombshell-dnc-lawyers-met-with-fbi-on-dossier-before

[GoMuskies]

Facebook is holding a reflection session tomorrow because one of their executives is a personal friend of Kavanaugh and went to last Thursday's hearing in support of his friend.

[Masterofreality]

He won't win, see our slander laws they side with the accuser. Now in Europe, the case is a tad different as they lean to the accused party.

I find this quite funny. We know for certain that Kavanaugh at the minimum deliberately slanted his testimony and misrepresented others testimony to his favor. At worst, he lied. We know he lied regarding his behavior in both High School and College. We also saw him completely melt down last Thursday even noting a Clinton conspiracy. All this marginalia is enough to show he isn't Supreme Court justice material or any judge material for that matter. Why back him so hard? Are there no other conservative justices out there beyond reproach?

As if "Doctor" Ford didn't out and out lie about this whole affair since there is no confirmation from anyone, including her alleged best friend at the time Keyser, that there was any contact at all with Kavanaugh anywhere.

And when RBG finally leaves/croaks, or whatever, get ready for Judge, and Catholic Mom of 7, Amy Coney Barrett. Can't wait to see what garbage the unseemly Dems try to pile on her.

[bjf123]

It is about Kavanaugh (if it wasn't Gorsuch would have suffered the same fate),

No. It’s about a potential shift in the ideological makeup of the SCOTUS. Gorsuch’s confirmation did not alter that. This one does, and the Left can’t handle it. They will do whatever it takes to not allow Trump to fill this seat. If they can somehow delay Kavanaugh’s confirmation until after the mid-term election, and get control of the Senate, Trump will have no chance of getting anyone confirmed the rest of his term.


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[Masterofreality]

I am sorry after years at Xavier you never learned empathy. I am also sorry you never learned mutual respect even if your views don't match someone else's views. These are pretty easy things most educated people understand.

Good question, is it possible a naive 15 year old girl who was just assaulted might keep quiet because she knew or heard the assaulter's mother was a DA? I have seen children stay quiet about things because of less, it is not a stretch to think this a possibility.

Again, Maddow runs a nightly show. She is going to make a few mistakes. She is actually one of if not the best of the nightly shows. You are going to find instances she made mistakes, she is human. But on the aggregate, she is right most of the time. You might not agree with her narrative, but her facts are nonetheless correct. Using liar liar pants on fire, doesn't cut it.

I just have one last question for you. Why hasn't Ford's own Mother and Father come out in support of her?
That seems extremely telling to me.

Oh, and Maddow is a partisan, shrill, hack. Period.

[JTG]

My memory may be foggy, but many of my classmates at X were a lot like Brett Kavanaugh, as students. Most however went on to be distinguished doctors , lawyers, business men, soldiers and clergy. It was college for Christ sake. I'm guessing Dr Ford is confused.

[xudash]

I just have one last question for you. Why hasn't Ford's own Mother and Father come out in support of her?
That seems extremely telling to me.

Ha! That is an exceptionally good question.

Now that you brought it up, which one of her front doors do you think they use when they visit her (assuming they do)?

[Masterofreality]

. I'm guessing Dr Ford is confused.

Or getting a HUUUUUUGGGE payday for her trash from Soros. Wait until the book deal comes together.

[xudash]

Or getting a HUUUUUUGGGE payday for her trash from Soros. Wait until the book deal comes together.

NOBODY with a brain is guessing about her personal estate being imbued by George Soros.

[Caf]

God forbid that any of us get accused in a high profile case where A) The Accuser can't give any details as to where, when, how and who, other than you. B) There are no confirming witnesses that back up the accusation. C) When called upon to provide the documents that allegedly support the accusers account, the accusers lawyers refuse to provide them- even under court order. D) Some activist press entity decides that despite over 30 years of distinguished service plus the written support, sometimes under penalty of felony, of hundreds of people who know and have known you, they will seek to destroy you, your family and your life. E) When the first case is falling apart, they try to nail you on stuff you did when a college student. This Kavanagh debacle is a country rending travesty.

What am I missing here? He was accused of something. It was investigated and he's going to end up on the court. What's the grave injustice here?

Honestly, he probably wouldn't have been the nominee if Feinstein didn't sit on the information like she did. If this came out when Ford brought it to her (when he was on the short list) he would have probably just been dropped from contention.

[GoMuskies]

Probably right, but the Democtats overplayed their hand. At least Feinstein did. They thought this would get them to the mid terms. It's looking like it's going to be an epic fail, complete with cringe worthy lunatic protests through the weekend.

[boozehound]

We're basically at the point where the Democratic Party stands for not being Donald Trump. Don't get me wrong, that's a pretty solid place to be right now, but they don't add anything except that. What does the democratic party stand for? Medicare for all? ACA? Decreased defense? Breaking up financial institutions? I genuinely have no clue and I'm an independent in a blue district - not great. Trump could be bad enough to drive people to the polls, but having an agenda that can move the country forward might be better. Just a thought.

I don't think it will be enough, but what do I know. I just read an article stating that a lot of Democrats (about 100) running for House seats are pledging campaign finance reform if elected. I doubt it will actually happen, but I would love to see money in politics almost completely eliminated.

If I'm the Democrats I would probably built a platform around the following:

1. Medicare for All
2. Demonize big business and paint Republicans / Trump as complicit and talk about supporting small business, not large corporations
3. Campaign Finance Reform - Get the money out of politics

Interestingly enough the last two are versions of Trump's platform (Speaking out against Wall Street and "Drain the Swamp"). If they just focus on trying demonizing Trump and his associates I'm not sure that will work

[boozehound]

NOBODY with a brain is guessing about her personal estate being imbued by George Soros.

I agree. Nobody with a brain is guessing about that. Or even thinking about it at all, for that matter.

[Caf]

I Am an Independent, Impartial Judge - Brett Kavanaugh (https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-am-an-independent-impartial-judge-1538695822?mod=hp_opin_pos1)

[xudash]

I agree. Nobody with a brain is guessing about that. Or even thinking about it at all, for that matter.

Ha! Nice try.

So, who is funding all of your batshit crazy protestors? Plenty of people are thinking about both.

[BandAid]

What am I missing here? He was accused of something. It was investigated and he's going to end up on the court. What's the grave injustice here?


25-50% of the American voting public will always think he's a sexual abuser. His daughters will probably get plenty of snide comments about it for the next couple of decades. I can't imagine what type of stress this has probably put on his wife. If he's as innocent as he claims to be, I would describe that as an injustice.

[Lloyd Braun]

I Am an Independent, Impartial Judge - Brett Kavanaugh (https://www.wsj.com/articles/i-am-an-independent-impartial-judge-1538695822?mod=hp_opin_pos1)

“I talked about my long record of advancing and promoting women, including as a judge—a majority of my 48 law clerks have been women—and as a longtime coach of girls’ basketball teams.”

He will never be confused for a feminist that’s for sure! I prefer female paralegals too, Brett! (wink)

[boozehound]

Ha! Nice try.

So, who is funding all of your batshit crazy protestors? Plenty of people are thinking about both.

Plenty of people, sure. People with brains? Not so sure.

First of all, they aren't 'my' protesters. I don't support any of that shit. I'm not a liberal, I'm just an educated person capable of objective thought. I used to lean far more to the Republican belief system when it was about fiscal conservatism and personal freedom and responsibility, before it became the party of Trump and Hannity

Why do protests have to be 'funded'? Did the Koch brothers fund Charlottesville? Even if protests were somehow 'funded' in some way by Soros (a fact for which there is no concrete evidence that I am aware of) that would be a political activist funding organizations that enable people to (theoretically) peacefully protest. That's a pretty big jump from that, to paying someone to give false testimony about a potential Supreme Court Justice. How can you actually think she would get away with getting paid to give false testimony without it being exposed by someone?

What I do hate, are conspiracy theories. I think they are the hallmark of ignorance, and very dangerous to our society. I'm an equal opportunity hater of conspiracy theories. I don't like the crazy left wing conspiracy theories about the government funding 911 and more than the crazy right wing conspiracies about George Soros somehow funding everything that conservatives hate.

[Caf]

25-50% of the American voting public will always think he's a sexual abuser. His daughters will probably get plenty of snide comments about it for the next couple of decades. I can't imagine what type of stress this has probably put on his wife. If he's as innocent as he claims to be, I would describe that as an injustice.

I would say it sucks, but this idea that he's been greatly wronged because he had to stand up to accusations is ridiculous. He was accused of serious matters and found to be innocent. If he's in fact innocent then that's the system working.

[Xville]

I would say it sucks, but this idea that he's been greatly wronged because he had to stand up to accusations is ridiculous. He was accused of serious matters and found to be innocent. If he's in fact innocent then that's the system working.

You really believe that what has tanspired over the past few weeks is the "system working?" I bet if you were falsely accused of sexual assault, you'd think it was a bit bigger than just "sucks"

[Lloyd Braun]

Yea I’m sure he’s a saint. Gimme a break... he’s probably guilty but it’s been so long and it’s fairly irrelevant to any of this. He’s clearly an a-hole, because they all are. Not nearly as much of an a-hole as the POTUS or most of Congress. The GOP remains spineless to stand for anything other than political gain. The Dems remain 3 steps behind and hopeless. We are f’d regardless.

[Caf]

You really believe that what has transpired over the past few weeks is the "system working?"

How would the system work better for him? What's a better way to go from being accused of sexual assault to getting on the Supreme Court? Would it be better for him if they just completely ignored the accusations?

How have we gone from 'you can't prove a negative, so why investigate?' to 'he's completely innocent and a victim'?

[Xville]

How would the system work better for him? What's a better way to go from being accused of sexual assault to getting on the Supreme Court? Would it be better for him if they just completely ignored the accusations?

How have we gone from 'you can't prove a negative, so why investigate?' to 'he's completely innocent and a victim'?

Answer my question first....if you were falsely accused of sexual assault, do you think it would mean a little more to you than "this sucks?"

[Masterofreality]

What am I missing here? He was accused of something. It was investigated and he's going to end up on the court. What's the grave injustice here?

Honestly, he probably wouldn't have been the nominee if Feinstein didn't sit on the information like she did. If this came out when Ford brought it to her (when he was on the short list) he would have probably just been dropped from contention.

I guess you are missing the true fact that a guy who has had nothing but a stellar reputation in his legal career for 20 years, had the highest rating that you can have from the ABA, is now being trashed by a former Supreme Court Justice, albeit a Liberal one in Stevens. On a false accusation.
Oh, and let's just forget the fact that a guy who has not had a hint of scandal all the way through his career, and has a wonderful family with two kids, is now receiving death threats as well as his family. If those aren't injustices, I don't know what is.

I know one thing. The over the top Dems never expected that a guy would have his calendars from 1982.....every month, with detailed notes about his activities. I'm sure they were convinced that he wouldn't have any recollection about what he did in high school, especially since his drinking was so out of control (LAUGH OUT LOUD!!!!!). If a guy is so detailed in keeping records and taking notes, I WANT A GUY LIKE THAT ON THE SUPREME COURT.
Amazing that the ludicrous lemming media can't recognize and give this qualified candidate credit.

[Juice]

A friend of Christine Blasey Ford told FBI investigators that she felt pressured by Dr. Ford’s allies to revisit her initial statement that she knew nothing about an alleged sexual assault by a teenage Brett Kavanaugh, which she later updated to say that she believed but couldn’t corroborate Dr. Ford’s account, according to people familiar with the matter.

Leland Keyser, who Dr. Ford has said was present at the gathering where she was allegedly assaulted in the 1980s, told investigators that Monica McLean, a retired Federal Bureau of Investigation agent and a friend of Dr. Ford’s, had urged her to clarify her statement, the people said.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/friend-of-dr-ford-felt-pressure-to-revisit-statement-1538715152?mod=e2tw

[Caf]

Answer my question first....if you were falsely accused of sexual assault, do you think it would mean a little more to you than "this sucks?"

That was your first question.


You really believe that what has tanspired over the past few weeks is the "system working?" I bet if you were falsely accused of sexual assault, you'd think it was a bit bigger than just "sucks"

[Xville]

You believe that the complete circus that has occurred over the past few weeks is "the system working?" How is that possible? The guy who we have to assume has been falsely accused now has a black mark on him and his reputation. I'm pretty sure what he has gone thru the last few weeks is more than "this sucks."

The "system" of the Democrats pulling this crap at the last hour is not "working."

[Caf]

You believe that the complete circus that has occurred over the past few weeks is "the system working?" How is that possible

Because he was accused, the accusations were unfounded and he's going to get on the court.

Here's the alternative: he was accused, the allegations were unfounded and he doesn't get on the court.

[Xville]

Because he was accused, the accusations were unfounded and he's going to get on the court.

Here's the alternative: he was accused, the allegations were unfounded and he doesn't get on the court.

So, hes going to get on the court. That's great...except he had to go thru unnecessary complete hell for two weeks, now has a forever black mark on his reputation, and has received death threats. I'm going to say that this is all more than just "sucks."

The final hour shitshow that the democrats pulled was a complete circus and is not the system working. The great thing is that it is going to bite them square in the ass at the midterms.

[GoMuskies]

The Twitter fight over which side gets to claim "To Kill a Mockingbird" in this saga is pointless and hilarious. I can't look away.

[Caf]

So, hes going to get on the court. That's great...except he had to go thru unnecessary complete hell for two weeks, now has a forever black mark on his reputation, and has received death threats. I'm going to say that this is all more than just "sucks."

The final hour shitshow that the democrats pulled was a complete circus and is not the system working. The great thing is that it is going to bite them square in the ass at the midterms.

You're not going to find me defending the Democrats here, but you're ignoring the reality of the situation. A woman came forward and said she 100% knows Brett Kavanaugh assaulted her. The government heard, addressed, and investigated the allegation. What else could have been done to resolve the accusation in a more just manner?

If your gripe is that he's guilty in the minds of others than you gotta be more realistic. There is no justice in the court of public opinion. If he doesn't get on the court because of this I'll join you crying foul, but this was a necessary process. Many would even say it was insufficient.

[boozehound]

So, hes going to get on the court. That's great...except he had to go thru unnecessary complete hell for two weeks, now has a forever black mark on his reputation, and has received death threats. I'm going to say that this is all more than just "sucks."

The final hour shitshow that the democrats pulled was a complete circus and is not the system working. The great thing is that it is going to bite them square in the ass at the midterms.

How would you improve the system, then? Do you punish accusers in cases where insufficient evidence to prosecute or convict is found? What are the potential consequences of that? Doesn't that violate one of the core principles of our justice system?

This is the system working. It's not a perfect system, but it's the best one out there. It's unfortunate that this has been made into the political circus that it has become, but I would argue that is a flaw of the political system, not the justice system.

[Xville]

How would you improve the system, then? Do you punish accusers in cases where insufficient evidence to prosecute or convict is found? What are the potential consequences of that? Doesn't that violate one of the core principles of our justice system?

This is the system working. It's not a perfect system, but it's the best one out there. It's unfortunate that this has been made into the political circus that it has become, but I would argue that is a flaw of the political system, not the justice system.

That's my whole point. This was not the justice system, this was the political circus (doesn't have the right to be called a system) and it was a complete shitshow.

[xudash]

Because he was accused, the accusations were unfounded and he's going to get on the court.

Here's the alternative: he was accused, the allegations were unfounded and he doesn't get on the court.

Should it have come to this?

[Caf]

Should it have come to this?

Are you asking if he should have been accused? Is this discussion officially leaving reality?

[Caf]

That's my whole point. This was not the justice system, this was the political circus (doesn't have the right to be called a system) and it was a complete shitshow.

Fair enough. I still don't see a better alternative. If the committee just moved right along to a vote without the hearing or investigation, all of the problems he's faced would have only been worse.

There are moderates, like myself, who are happy they hit the pause button on this. The people calling for more, and probably the majority of people calling for less, were never going to change their minds anyway.

[STL_XUfan]

That's my whole point. This was not the justice system, this was the political circus (doesn't have the right to be called a system) and it was a complete shitshow.

That is correct, this was not a court room where he was facing criminal charges. This was a hearing for an appointment to the Supreme Court, and the process for that is a political one. It sucks that all of our politicians prefer to have a circus, but that is the process the parties decided to have for this type of an appointment.

[xudash]

Plenty of people, sure. People with brains? Not so sure.

First of all, they aren't 'my' protesters. I don't support any of that shit. I'm not a liberal, I'm just an educated person capable of objective thought. I used to lean far more to the Republican belief system when it was about fiscal conservatism and personal freedom and responsibility, before it became the party of Trump and Hannity

Why do protests have to be 'funded'? Did the Koch brothers fund Charlottesville? Even if protests were somehow 'funded' in some way by Soros (a fact for which there is no concrete evidence that I am aware of) that would be a political activist funding organizations that enable people to (theoretically) peacefully protest. That's a pretty big jump from that, to paying someone to give false testimony about a potential Supreme Court Justice. How can you actually think she would get away with getting paid to give false testimony without it being exposed by someone?

What I do hate, are conspiracy theories. I think they are the hallmark of ignorance, and very dangerous to our society. I'm an equal opportunity hater of conspiracy theories. I don't like the crazy left wing conspiracy theories about the government funding 911 and more than the crazy right wing conspiracies about George Soros somehow funding everything that conservatives hate.

You know what, I've only put myself into this thread because of the Left's heinous treatment of Kavanaugh in this PROCESS. It is not a process. It is a concerted effort on the Left's part to do anything and everything they can to block the Supreme Court from bending back towards the right due to a Supreme being nominated by and confirmed for Trump.

So you don't believe it is possible that deep state gamesmanship crap is taking place. I hope you're right. I frankly don't make it my hobby to dig into it. BTW, we're similar in our beliefs based upon what you revealed about yourself. I place myself as a moderate conservative with an emphasis on the two things you noted: fiscal responsibility and personal freedom and self-reliance (responsibility).

People from the far Right and the far Left bother me. They're extreme, obviously, by default. What happened in Charlottesville was terrible. Loony leftist activist idiots who harass people while they're trying to have dinner or whatever is a great example of a new low for our society.

You mentioned the (theoretically) peaceful protest. There is nothing peaceful about those leftist activists who confront and scream their drivel at people, just as there is nothing peaceful about an idiot mowing people down with a car. At least my brain seems to process what I see as being well past "peaceful" and dare I offer "productive" protests. In short, there is way too much misguided emotion and passion on both ends of the political spectrum now; these people are too lathered up.

As I noted, it isn't my hobby to attempt to track potential conspiracies, but it doesn't take much time to find compelling reporting about the potential for it:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/01/look-who-was-behind-the-jeff-flake-elevator-setup/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-george-soros-interview-20180609-story.html

George Soros is one evil SOB. His vision for the United States is dreadful.

The country seems very split these days and it appears to be on a track that will only lead to a wider fracture. And the Democrats, in particular in this case, made a mockery of a process that otherwise should have gone much more smoothly. It certainly has cost a very good man his reputation and it has put he and his family through hell. And she is clearly getting exposed now. The two front doors nonsense. The fear of flying nonsense. At the very least, to the extent we've learned anything else since last Thursday, it's that Kavanaugh's testimony, as supported by his behavior and actions throughout his career, appears to be more credible than her testimony.

Do you honestly believe that she would serve jail time if her story fell short? This appears to be a situation where certain people knew going in that it was going to come down to "he said" / "she said." Her attorneys coached her through her response stream. Where's the risk in that for your premise? She'll probably end up with a book deal out of all this. Kavanaugh will end up on the court. And they'll both probably have to live rather uncomfortable existences for a while.

[bigdiggins]

Wages have increased this entire time. They just haven’t increased higher than inflation. In other news, the sky is still blue. A .6% spot over inflation isn’t going to move the needle much but it’s something.


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Interesting article on the wage increases being less than some folks feel they should be.

https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-10-05/u-s-jobs-report-one-reason-workers-raises-aren-t-bigger?srnd=premium

[bjf123]

Assuming he is confirmed, and it looks like that will be the case, the top Democrat on the House Judicial Committee has already said they’ll be looking to impeach Kavanaugh when they take control of the House in November. He’ll stay on the bench because you’ll never get 67 Senators to vote to remove him. So, we’ll have to sit through that circus for a few weeks. Yippee.


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[boozehound]

You know what, I've only put myself into this thread because of the Left's heinous treatment of Kavanaugh in this PROCESS. It is not a process. It is a concerted effort on the Left's part to do anything and everything they can to block the Supreme Court from bending back towards the right due to a Supreme being nominated by and confirmed for Trump.

So you don't believe it is possible that deep state gamesmanship crap is taking place. I hope you're right. I frankly don't make it my hobby to dig into it. BTW, we're similar in our beliefs based upon what you revealed about yourself. I place myself as a moderate conservative with an emphasis on the two things you noted: fiscal responsibility and personal freedom and self-reliance (responsibility).

People from the far Right and the far Left bother me. They're extreme, obviously, by default. What happened in Charlottesville was terrible. Loony leftist activist idiots who harass people while they're trying to have dinner or whatever is a great example of a new low for our society.

You mentioned the (theoretically) peaceful protest. There is nothing peaceful about those leftist activists who confront and scream their drivel at people, just as there is nothing peaceful about an idiot mowing people down with a car. At least my brain seems to process what I see as being well past "peaceful" and dare I offer "productive" protests. In short, there is way too much misguided emotion and passion on both ends of the political spectrum now; these people are too lathered up.

As I noted, it isn't my hobby to attempt to track potential conspiracies, but it doesn't take much time to find compelling reporting about the potential for it:

https://nypost.com/2018/10/01/look-who-was-behind-the-jeff-flake-elevator-setup/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-george-soros-interview-20180609-story.html

George Soros is one evil SOB. His vision for the United States is dreadful.

The country seems very split these days and it appears to be on a track that will only lead to a wider fracture. And the Democrats, in particular in this case, made a mockery of a process that otherwise should have gone much more smoothly. It certainly has cost a very good man his reputation and it has put he and his family through hell. And she is clearly getting exposed now. The two front doors nonsense. The fear of flying nonsense. At the very least, to the extent we've learned anything else since last Thursday, it's that Kavanaugh's testimony, as supported by his behavior and actions throughout his career, appears to be more credible than her testimony.

Do you honestly believe that she would serve jail time if her story fell short? This appears to be a situation where certain people knew going in that it was going to come down to "he said" / "she said." Her attorneys coached her through her response stream. Where's the risk in that for your premise? She'll probably end up with a book deal out of all this. Kavanaugh will end up on the court. And they'll both probably have to live rather uncomfortable existences for a while.

You are claiming to be a moderate conservative, however your word choice suggests to me that you consume a lot of far-right media. Your links to the Chicago Tribune and (an opinion article from) the New York Post, corroborate that. Do you think an opinion article from the New York Post is a reliable source? Without using conservative op-ed articles, what is George Soros' "vision for the United States" and why is he "one evil SOB"? The conspiracy theories about Soros being some kind of evil mastermind are a level of far-right tinfoil-hat stuff that far surpasses 'moderate conservatism', IMO.

You also seem to be coming from a place of 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is innocent, which I'm not sure has been proven. There is a difference between there not being enough evidence to proceed with a case and a complete certainty of innocence.

You intimated in your initial post that somehow George Soros was going to transfer money to Dr. Ford in exchange for her bringing false charges against Kavanaugh. I do think she would go to jail for that. I do not think she would, or should, go to jail in the current state. Putting accusers in jail when their claims are not found to be without merit is an extremely slippery slope, and should only be done in clear cases of false accusations. I certainly don't see where there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ford made a false accusation.

[boozehound]

Assuming he is confirmed, and it looks like that will be the case, the top Democrat on the House Judicial Committee has already said they’ll be looking to impeach Kavanaugh when they take control of the House in November. He’ll stay on the bench because you’ll never get 67 Senators to vote to remove him. So, we’ll have to sit through that circus for a few weeks. Yippee.


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They should pipe down on that shit and focus on things that might actually get them elected if they want to have a chance at it. It's hard to see impeaching Kavanaugh as a significant political play outside of the left wing echo chambers.

[GoMuskies]

Here's an interesting Tweet:

27 Senators have served continuously since 2005. Comprehensive list of those who voted to confirm Roberts, Alito, Sotomayor, Kagan, & Gorsuch:
1. Collins
2. Graham

[Juice]

You are claiming to be a moderate conservative, however your word choice suggests to me that you consume a lot of far-right media. Your links to the Chicago Tribune and (an opinion article from) the New York Post, corroborate that. Do you think an opinion article from the New York Post is a reliable source? Without using conservative op-ed articles, what is George Soros' "vision for the United States" and why is he "one evil SOB"? The conspiracy theories about Soros being some kind of evil mastermind are a level of far-right tinfoil-hat stuff that far surpasses 'moderate conservatism', IMO.

You also seem to be coming from a place of 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is innocent, which I'm not sure has been proven. There is a difference between there not being enough evidence to proceed with a case and a complete certainty of innocence.

You intimated in your initial post that somehow George Soros was going to transfer money to Dr. Ford in exchange for her bringing false charges against Kavanaugh. I do think she would go to jail for that. I do not think she would, or should, go to jail in the current state. Putting accusers in jail when their claims are not found to be without merit is an extremely slippery slope, and should only be done in clear cases of false accusations. I certainly don't see where there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ford made a false accusation.

Issue 1 in Ohio is his vision for America

[GoMuskies]

Collins is going to break the Internet in about 25 minutes.

[Caf]

Collins is going to break the Internet in about 25 minutes.

This is going to be nuts no matter what she does. I bet she's no but Manchin is yes.

[GoMuskies]

This is going to be nuts no matter what she does. I bet she's no but Manchin is yes.

I can't believe Manchin is yes if Collins is no. He's not going to be the deciding vote in Kav's favor. If Collins is yes, Manchin is definitely yes, though.

[GoMuskies]

She's a yes.

Damn, she mentioned Garland twice in her speech. That's almost cruel.

[Caf]

This is a very well-reasoned speech and decision. Hopefully there's no where to go but up from here.

[X-band '01]

CBS is now saying Sen. Joe Manchin will vote yes on the nomination.

[GoMuskies]

CBS is now saying Sen. Joe Manchin will vote yes on the nomination.

Well, of course he will. No need for him to lose his election, too.

But because of Murkowski, Daines will have to work the vote around his daughter's wedding. No way they're having him leave town when just one flipped vote can sink them.

[xudash]

You are claiming to be a moderate conservative, however your word choice suggests to me that you consume a lot of far-right media. Your links to the Chicago Tribune and (an opinion article from) the New York Post, corroborate that. Do you think an opinion article from the New York Post is a reliable source? Without using conservative op-ed articles, what is George Soros' "vision for the United States" and why is he "one evil SOB"? The conspiracy theories about Soros being some kind of evil mastermind are a level of far-right tinfoil-hat stuff that far surpasses 'moderate conservatism', IMO.

You also seem to be coming from a place of 100% certainty that Kavanaugh is innocent, which I'm not sure has been proven. There is a difference between there not being enough evidence to proceed with a case and a complete certainty of innocence.

You intimated in your initial post that somehow George Soros was going to transfer money to Dr. Ford in exchange for her bringing false charges against Kavanaugh. I do think she would go to jail for that. I do not think she would, or should, go to jail in the current state. Putting accusers in jail when their claims are not found to be without merit is an extremely slippery slope, and should only be done in clear cases of false accusations. I certainly don't see where there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt that Dr. Ford made a false accusation.

Re the links: what part of me typing "it didn't take too much time to find" don't you understand. Those links were two of the first links that I popped up for giggles when I went looking for information on Soros.

Re what is moderate and what is far right conservatism, when were you installed as the overseer for that? Among other truly idiotic beliefs, Soros is a progressive through and through. Soros prefers the open society approach. From the Guardian:

Since 1987, Soros has published 14 books and a number of pieces in the New York Review of Books, New York Times and elsewhere. These texts make it clear that, like many on the centre-left who rose to prominence in the 1990s, Soros’s defining intellectual principle is his internationalism. For Soros, the goal of contemporary human existence is to establish a world defined not by sovereign states, but by a global community whose constituents understand that everyone shares an interest in freedom, equality and prosperity.

Soros is an Internationalist. He's a raging idealist, pathetically galloping after some form of global economic kumbaya. How do you pull that off in a world full of power hungry idiots that have established positions of power across the political spectrum? To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind going down that road as a citizen of the leader of the free world if it weren't Mission Impossible. But it is Mission Impossible, and putting energy into forcing the United States to work against its own interests is not my cup of tea. I'm an American first, especially given global realities.

I believe i mentioned that Ford would end up with a book deal. Kinda meant it half-jokingly. Didn't say one word directly about who might fund it.

Re where all this stands with respect to their respective testimonies: I clearly stated that I believe he has come to look like the more credible of the two of them. I didn't say she lied about anything, per se. I didn't take the position that he is absolutely innocent. That's the problem with this monkey show - - someone decided to AT THIS TIME bring up accusations from events that occured over 3 decades ago at a time when the subjects were teenagers in high school. Sure, that's all going to end up on a productive track.

In hindsight, given what we know now, to the extent that Dr. Ford became adamant about the need to pursue these accusations, they absolutely should have been handled in a confidential manner and with a full and fair inquiry conducted. The Democrats absolutely and completely shit the bed on that part of this, but they had to do that in order to attempt to achieve their political agenda.

[xudash]

This is a very well-reasoned speech and decision. Hopefully there's no where to go but up from here.

I believe we all can agree on that. I certainly can't imagine what below where we stand now looks like, but it probably would include anarchy and burning stuff.

[Juice]

I believe we all can agree on that. I certainly can't imagine what below where we stand now looks like, but it probably would include anarchy and burning stuff.

I.e. Portland

[GoMuskies]

it probably would include anarchy and burning stuff.

Well, that's coming this weekend. 100%

[Juice]

Well, that's coming this weekend. 100%

Because those loons can't handle it. They doxx people on the internet, they confront and assault people in public, they send ricin to them in the mail, they shoot them on softball fields, and they've had some new pathetic protest every weekend since Trump has been elected. I laugh every time the Enquirer "reports" on some new protest/rally/lunatic gathering that either started or ended at Washington Park featuring PG Sittenfeld or Aftab.

[GenerationX]

...


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-george-soros-interview-20180609-story.html

George Soros is one evil SOB. His vision for the United States is dreadful.



“His New York-based Open Society Foundations now spends $940 million a year in 100 countries, promoting values such as free speech and free elections, according to the group. In the United States, the Open Society spends $150 million a year financing groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood.”

Evil? I just don’t get the hate for Soros. He donates money to causes he believes in. He’s trying to make the world a better place. You may not agree with what he thinks is the correct way to achieve that goal, but at least he is participating as someone with the means to do so. The Mercers must be evil then as well, I suppose.

And by the way, Soros didn’t become evil until the 2000s. From the article you linked...

“In the United States, Soros was initially seen as an ally by Republicans who shared his opposition to communist dictators. He made modest donations to support the GOP in the 1980s and 1990s, according to campaign finance reports.

But he turned decisively against Republicans after President George W. Bush invaded Iraq in 2003 based on faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.”

[UCGRAD4X]

Can't wait for the season to start.

How 'bout them Muskies!!!

[Juice]

People have lost their god damn minds



Peter Gammons
‏@pgammo
In the eighth inning of what may be a do or die game with the tension of a Game Seven, Nenderthal Fenway Park "fans" chanting "Yankees (---) are eerily like those who chant "lock her up" at a pol rally designed to demean female assault victims' trauma.

[GoMuskies]

Those Yankees suck chants are new. I can assure you that never happened in the mid-2000s when I used to frequent Fenway. And no one sold "Jeter tosses A-Rod's Salad" shirts, either. Nope. Didn't happen back then.

[noteggs]

When I visited the Marianists UD school in the late 1980’s for basketball games, I never heard anything derogatory about X. Certainly, I never saw any X sucks towels or shirts.

[paulxu]

It's a good thing you guys weren't at the Gardens in the '60's.

[Juice]

It's a good thing you guys weren't at the Gardens in the '60's.

Whew, I was scared that there were a bunch of rape apologists in the crowd back then too. Wouldn't look good for the university.

[UCGRAD4X]

People have lost their god damn minds

How is these even remotely connected except that they're both chants and have three syllables.

Once again whacko nut job sports "journalists" trying to interject a divisive liberal political agenda into sports. But this is beyond the pale.

The phrase "it's a game - stupid" comes to mind.

My only hope is that this was a joke....otherwise....this is a joke...and a very bad, incredibly divisive, completely and utterly disgraceful one.

I would say 'lunatic fringe' but the fringe here has long since been breached.

Otherwise, Gammons, like a whole lot of folks have completely off the rails.

[xudash]

“His New York-based Open Society Foundations now spends $940 million a year in 100 countries, promoting values such as free speech and free elections, according to the group. In the United States, the Open Society spends $150 million a year financing groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood.”

Evil? I just don’t get the hate for Soros. He donates money to causes he believes in. He’s trying to make the world a better place. You may not agree with what he thinks is the correct way to achieve that goal, but at least he is participating as someone with the means to do so. The Mercers must be evil then as well, I suppose.

And by the way, Soros didn’t become evil until the 2000s. From the article you linked...

“In the United States, Soros was initially seen as an ally by Republicans who shared his opposition to communist dictators. He made modest donations to support the GOP in the 1980s and 1990s, according to campaign finance reports.

But he turned decisively against Republicans after President George W. Bush invaded Iraq in 2003 based on faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.”

ACLU.

Planned Parenthood.

Yeah, he's a swell guy.

[GenerationX]

ACLU.

Planned Parenthood.

Yeah, he's a swell guy.

Again, you pluck 2 things you wouldn’t support to justify calling him evil? Are the Mercers also evil? After all, they throw HUGE sums of money at people and causes I strongly oppose.

[xudash]

Again, you pluck 2 things you wouldn’t support to justify calling him evil? Are the Mercers also evil? After all, they throw HUGE sums of money at people and causes I strongly oppose.

I was quoting your quote.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

“His New York-based Open Society Foundations now spends $940 million a year in 100 countries, promoting values such as free speech and free elections, according to the group. In the United States, the Open Society spends $150 million a year financing groups such as the American Civil Liberties Union and Planned Parenthood.”

Evil? I just don’t get the hate for Soros. He donates money to causes he believes in. He’s trying to make the world a better place. You may not agree with what he thinks is the correct way to achieve that goal, but at least he is participating as someone with the means to do so. The Mercers must be evil then as well, I suppose.

And by the way, Soros didn’t become evil until the 2000s. From the article you linked...

“In the United States, Soros was initially seen as an ally by Republicans who shared his opposition to communist dictators. He made modest donations to support the GOP in the 1980s and 1990s, according to campaign finance reports.

But he turned decisively against Republicans after President George W. Bush invaded Iraq in 2003 based on faulty intelligence about weapons of mass destruction.”

I agree, you have to admire his desire to make the world better in his eyes. I don’t always agree with him but I back the ACLU and planned parenthood.


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[Juice]

I agree, you have to admire his desire to make the world better in his eyes. I don’t always agree with him but I back the ACLU and planned parenthood.


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No one in Ohio likes the money/support he’s putting behind Issue 1.

[GoMuskies]

I agree, you have to admire his desire to make the world better in his eyes.

I'm sure you feel the same about Charles Koch.

[Caf]

Ah yes, money in politics is noble and great as long as you support their causes.

[GenerationX]

Exactly my point. Calling him “evil” is hypocritical. As Arizona said, I don’t agree with everything he does, but it’s not all politically motivated. And in fact I hate that money has such a significant impact in politics.

[paulxu]

I'm sorry that our political discourse seems to have sunk to a pretty low level.
Certainly there were times in our country's history when the passions were just as inflamed, and that fades over time.
Hopefully this time will also. I can not imagine with our history of great presidents and leaders that this will be a high-water mark:


President Donald Trump told reporters Saturday that his decision to mock Christine Blasey Ford at a campaign rally had a “great impact” on Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh’s eventual confirmation.


He added separately that Kavanaugh’s nomination “started to sail through” after he mocked Blasey Ford.

I can't imagine what victims of sexual assault must feel knowing their president might mock them.

[GoMuskies]

Probably feels a lot like the Clinton years. At least no one got murdered. That's more the heyday of Camelot.

Really, the more things change the more they stay the same.

[paulxu]

I'm certainly not condoning any Clinton crap.

Just think a president shouldn't mock disabled people, republican opponents in debates, women who assert they are victims.

Call me old school. Just doesn't seem presidential.

[GoMuskies]

You'll get no argument from me about Trump being an asshat.

[Caf]

I think you'll have a pretty hard time finding a comparison for Trump in US history. No 2 Presidents are that alike, but none are as far from the mean as Trump. Especially in the modern era.

As far as the partisanship and polarization of the country, the 60s make today's division seem like child's play.

[scoscox]

As far as the partisanship and polarization of the country, the 60s make today's division seem like child's play.

Edit - Sorry, misread your post. Totally agree.

[boozehound]

Issue 1 in Ohio is his vision for America


Re the links: what part of me typing "it didn't take too much time to find" don't you understand. Those links were two of the first links that I popped up for giggles when I went looking for information on Soros.

Re what is moderate and what is far right conservatism, when were you installed as the overseer for that? Among other truly idiotic beliefs, Soros is a progressive through and through. Soros prefers the open society approach. From the Guardian:

Since 1987, Soros has published 14 books and a number of pieces in the New York Review of Books, New York Times and elsewhere. These texts make it clear that, like many on the centre-left who rose to prominence in the 1990s, Soros’s defining intellectual principle is his internationalism. For Soros, the goal of contemporary human existence is to establish a world defined not by sovereign states, but by a global community whose constituents understand that everyone shares an interest in freedom, equality and prosperity.

Soros is an Internationalist. He's a raging idealist, pathetically galloping after some form of global economic kumbaya. How do you pull that off in a world full of power hungry idiots that have established positions of power across the political spectrum? To tell you the truth, I wouldn't mind going down that road as a citizen of the leader of the free world if it weren't Mission Impossible. But it is Mission Impossible, and putting energy into forcing the United States to work against its own interests is not my cup of tea. I'm an American first, especially given global realities.

I believe i mentioned that Ford would end up with a book deal. Kinda meant it half-jokingly. Didn't say one word directly about who might fund it.

Re where all this stands with respect to their respective testimonies: I clearly stated that I believe he has come to look like the more credible of the two of them. I didn't say she lied about anything, per se. I didn't take the position that he is absolutely innocent. That's the problem with this monkey show - - someone decided to AT THIS TIME bring up accusations from events that occured over 3 decades ago at a time when the subjects were teenagers in high school. Sure, that's all going to end up on a productive track.

In hindsight, given what we know now, to the extent that Dr. Ford became adamant about the need to pursue these accusations, they absolutely should have been handled in a confidential manner and with a full and fair inquiry conducted. The Democrats absolutely and completely shit the bed on that part of this, but they had to do that in order to attempt to achieve their political agenda.

Holy shitballs, Batman. There is a lot to unpack here. I don't even know where to begin!

Your response to that was to you didn't search very hard? Would you let me get away with google searching 'the Koch Brothers are Evil' and they just posting the first two links from Huffington Post? I'm not the arbiter of what is far-right versus moderate, you can call yourself whatever the hell you want. There is, however, a generally agreed upon framework for the spectrum between liberal and conservative, and despite your declaration as a moderate, you seem to, at a minimum, get your news from the far end of the spectrum.

Most of this post consists of what appear to be excerpts from an op-ed in the Guardian, another famously conservative source. I also don't see how any of this really makes George Soros "Evil". Wrong perhaps, but Evil? Really? You want to decry the 'political circus' around Kavanaugh in one breath and then decry George Soros as Evil in the next? Do you not see the incongruity there?

Also, you didn't say one word 'directly' about who might fund it? Read back through the thread. You specifically made a comment about her estate being 'imbued' by Soros. I didn't just make that up. Its in writing like two pages back.

Look, it's your life and your worldview. You get to choose how you consume and process information, and whether you seek truth, or bias confirmation.

[Juice]

Holy shitballs, Batman. There is a lot to unpack here. I don't even know where to begin!

Your response to that was to you didn't search very hard? Would you let me get away with google searching 'the Koch Brothers are Evil' and they just posting the first two links from Huffington Post? I'm not the arbiter of what is far-right versus moderate, you can call yourself whatever the hell you want. There is, however, a generally agreed upon framework for the spectrum between liberal and conservative, and despite your declaration as a moderate, you seem to, at a minimum, get your news from the far end of the spectrum.

Most of this post consists of what appear to be excerpts from an op-ed in the Guardian, another famously conservative source. I also don't see how any of this really makes George Soros "Evil". Wrong perhaps, but Evil? Really? You want to decry the 'political circus' around Kavanaugh in one breath and then decry George Soros as Evil in the next? Do you not see the incongruity there?

Also, you didn't say one word 'directly' about who might fund it? Read back through the thread. You specifically made a comment about her estate being 'imbued' by Soros. I didn't just make that up. Its in writing like two pages back.

Look, it's your life and your worldview. You get to choose how you consume and process information, and whether you seek truth, or bias confirmation.

I guess I sort of included myself in your guys convo about him being evil. I don't think he's evil but I think his vision for America is very bad. So I cited Issue 1 as an example of how he wants to directly change the drug laws in Ohio via constitutional amendment, which is an insane way to accomplish that.

[boozehound]

I guess I sort of included myself in your guys convo about him being evil. I don't think he's evil but I think his vision for America is very bad. So I cited Issue 1 as an example of how he wants to directly change the drug laws in Ohio via constitutional amendment, which is an insane way to accomplish that.

And that is fine (your disagreeing with him on his vision for America). I just don't think there is really much (if any) evidence that he is evil, or acting out of some kind of nefarious motivation, and I think ascribing that kind of motivation to him (or most others) is at best disingenuous and at worst dangerous. He is supporting what he thinks is best for the world (and America). My understanding of his belief system is that it is a relatively standard Liberal worldview. He has certainly funded some organizations that have engaged in dubious tactics, but I'm not aware of him directly funding said tactics (specifically violent protests). We should also keep in mind that what we in America consider to be 'violent protests' are actually pretty peaceful by global, and historical, standards. I used (and continue to use) the same logic when people hypothesize that George W Bush was somehow knowingly acting counter to the best interests of the country.

I don't live in Ohio anymore so I don't really know much about issue 1 and can't comment intelligently on that.

[Caf]

I guess I sort of included myself in your guys convo about him being evil. I don't think he's evil but I think his vision for America is very bad. So I cited Issue 1 as an example of how he wants to directly change the drug laws in Ohio via constitutional amendment, which is an insane way to accomplish that.

Just curious, what's your take on Issue 1? Is it the intent, the execution, or something else you don't support?

[Juice]

Just curious, what's your take on Issue 1? Is it the intent, the execution, or something else you don't support?

More or less all of it. It shouldn't be enacted by constitutional amendment. It makes all drug possessions misdemeanors, which actually gives judges less resources and options to treat people with addictions. Either legalize it all or keep it the way it is. Drug courts exist already. 99% of low level drug possessors addicts get probation and/or treatment already. A new law enacted this year already makes it so people convicted of drug possession of the F4 or F5 level cannot receive prison time but only local jail or probation. It's a dumb proposal that actually doesn't fix anything but instead makes it harder for police, prosecutors, and judges to give people the help they need.

Besides drug courts, most counties offer treatment in lieu of conviction which is more or less diversion for drug users. Resources, options, treatment already exist.

[Caf]

More or less all of it. It shouldn't be enacted by constitutional amendment. It makes all drug possessions misdemeanors, which actually gives judges less resources and options to treat people with addictions. Either legalize it all or keep it the way it is. Drug courts exist already. 99% of low level drug possessors addicts get probation and/or treatment already. A new law enacted this year already makes it so people convicted of drug possession of the F4 or F5 level cannot receive prison time but only local jail or probation. It's a dumb proposal that actually doesn't fix anything but instead makes it harder for police, prosecutors, and judges to give people the help they need.

Besides drug courts, most counties offer treatment in lieu of conviction which is more or less diversion for drug users. Resources, options, treatment already exist.

Is the main argument for this that it would decrease the incarceration rate? I can't honestly find a great pro argument. If it was limited in scope to pot I could see the argument, but considering the fentanyl isssue I have a hard time seeing a need.

[Caf]

Pelosi requesting FBI documents (https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/10718/)

I think it was she who said this of herself, but she's definitely so hated because she is effective at prodding the GOP.

[Juice]

Is the main argument for this that it would decrease the incarceration rate? I can't honestly find a great pro argument. If it was limited in scope to pot I could see the argument, but considering the fentanyl isssue I have a hard time seeing a need.

Weed for personal use is a pay out ticket in Ohio. It takes so much weed to get a M4 or M1 and it takes an insane amount to get a felony. And even when charged with a felony, not a single judge in Hamilton County (what I can speak to) gives two shits about weed. You get probation.

And Issue 1 makes all drugs, including heroin and fentanyl (and all its types), a misdemeanor. It's not a coincidence that judges from both parties in Hamilton County are unanimous in their opposition to Issue 1.

[GoMuskies]

I guess I've been living under a rock, but until the last few days I had no idea that Soros was Jewish or that invoking his name as funding Democratic causes was considered anti-Semitic by many. Huh, live and learn.

[Caf]

I guess I've been living under a rock, but until the last few days I had no idea that Soros was Jewish or that invoking his name as funding Democratic causes was considered anti-Semitic by many. Huh, live and learn.

It's less the intent or the words that are perceived as antisemitic and more the parallels that blaming Jews for causing rifts in society invoke.

Trump has lots of Jewish partners, and even family, so it's hard to seriously call him antisemitic. However, his common targets of the media and Soros are also common among the antisemitic crowd. My guess is it's guilt by association for people calling him that.

[XU 87]

This is a level headed editorial in the always fair and level headed New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opinion/lisa-murkowski-susan-collins-kavanaugh.html

[GoMuskies]

Kavanaugh's all-female clerking team reported to work today. His is the first all-female group of clerks ever (all hired before the sexual assault claims surfaced), and of the other 17 female Supreme Court clerks this term, 4 of them previously clerked for Kavanaugh on the DC Circuit. 39 of the 48 clerks he hired at the DC Circuit have gone on to become Supreme Court clerks (including 21 of the 25 female clerks).

This is the first term in which a majority of Supreme Court clerks are women.

[XU 87]

Kavanaugh's all-female clerking team reported to work today. His is the first all-female group of clerks ever (all hired before the sexual assault claims surfaced), and of the other 17 female Supreme Court clerks this term, 4 of them previously clerked for Kavanaugh on the DC Circuit. 39 of the 48 clerks he hired at the DC Circuit have gone on to become Supreme Court clerks (including 21 of the 25 female clerks).

This is the first term in which a majority of Supreme Court clerks are women.

If they are white, then they are likely just "trading on their whiteness to monopolize resources for their mutual gain." (See the editorial above.)

[GoMuskies]

If they are white, then they are likely just "trading on their whiteness to monopolize resources for their mutual gain." (See the editorial above.)

3 of the 4 are white, I think. 1 is black, allowing Kavanaugh to pull even with the esteemed Justice Ginsburg in number of black clerks hired during their respective Supreme Court tenures.

These stats are all courtesy of David Lat at Abovethelaw, by the way. https://abovethelaw.com/2018/10/supreme-court-clerk-hiring-watch-justice-kavanaughs-history-making-class-of-clerks/

[Caf]

Is there some kind of correlation between hiring women and not having committed sexual assault in high school?

[GoMuskies]

Is there some kind of correlation between hiring women and not having committed sexual assault in high school?

Could be. Or could not be. Or this could just be good/interesting news irrespective of anything in the news lately re: Kavanaugh. We're moving on.org at this point.

[Caf]

Could be. Or could not be. Or this could just be good/interesting news irrespective of anything in the news lately re: Kavanaugh. We're moving on.org at this point.

This makes me feel much better about Senators playing politics with assault allegations and the Supreme Court.

[GoMuskies]

This makes me feel much better about Senators playing politics with assault allegations and the Supreme Court.

I'm not sure why you think it should. If you're for equality, though, you probably should be happy that women are getting some of the most sought after jobs in the legal profession at rates very close to men (and in this term exceeding them).

[paulxu]

Here's what the former dean of Yale law school thought:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/06/kavanaugh-confirmation-temperament-yale-dean-221086

[GoMuskies]

Here's what the former dean of Yale law school thought:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/06/kavanaugh-confirmation-temperament-yale-dean-221086

Got to here: "With calculation and skill, Kavanaugh stoked the fires of partisan rage and male entitlement."

No thanks.

[xudash]

Got to here: "With calculation and skill, Kavanaugh stoked the fires of partisan rage and male entitlement."

No thanks.

Ha!

I may have made it a couple sentences further. What absolute drivel.

[xeus]

This is a level headed editorial in the always fair and level headed New York Times.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/06/opinion/lisa-murkowski-susan-collins-kavanaugh.html

My wife is very conservative and very peaceful. But I like to think she'd punch this clown right in the nose if they ever met in person.

[Xville]

Here's what the former dean of Yale law school thought:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/06/kavanaugh-confirmation-temperament-yale-dean-221086

I wonder how this uppity douchebag would react if he was accused of.sexual assault and had all of his past looked at all the way back to high school. Sounds like another whiny toddler who didnt get his way.

[Caf]

I'm not sure why you think it should. If you're for equality, though, you probably should be happy that women are getting some of the most sought after jobs in the legal profession at rates very close to men (and in this term exceeding them).

Him employing a lot of women/having female friends was one of his go-to defenses in dismissing Ford's claims and it's obviously nonsense. I now know you're not using it that way, but a lot people including Kavanaugh have used it that way which is why I said that.

[XU 87]

My wife is very conservative and very peaceful. But I like to think she'd punch this clown right in the nose if they ever met in person.

Although she writes in her own liberal difficult to read "code", she is essentially saying, " Every white woman who votes republican does so because she is a racist and wants to keep this white racist system."

Isn't it "neat" the racist nonsense that liberals can write and say? And in this case, this cretin got her article in the NYT.

P.S. I should have mentioned her other statement where she refers to "due process" as "nonsense".

[Caf]

Although she writes in her own liberal difficult to read "code", she is essentially saying, " Every white woman who votes republican does so because she is a racist and wants to keep this white racist system."

Isn't it "neat" the racist nonsense that liberals can write and say? And in this case, this cretin got her article in the NYT.

The craziest part of this garbage is the hypocrisy of claiming to support women's rights and independence while saying how women and women Senators are supposed to vote.

[Juice]

Him employing a lot of women/having female friends was one of his go-to defenses in dismissing Ford's claims and it's obviously nonsense. I now know you're not using it that way, but a lot people including Kavanaugh have used it that way which is why I said that.

I don't think it plays any role whether he attempted to sexually assault Ford in any way, but it does speak to a more general larger sense of whether he has advanced women in the legal field and treated them with respect in a professional setting, which can't be said about a lot of powerful men.

[xudash]

Him employing a lot of women/having female friends was one of his go-to defenses in dismissing Ford's claims and it's obviously nonsense. I now know you're not using it that way, but a lot people including Kavanaugh have used it that way which is why I said that.

It's nonsense to you.

He employs these women and gives them professional chances because he respects them. He respects his wife. He respects his mother. He respects and loves his daughters.

On that note, given your reaction to this item, you can now stop pretending to be objective.

BTW, her recollection of using a cell phone at the time she said she used it is priceless. At the very least, liberals can be entertaining.

[Caf]

It's nonsense to you.

He employs these women and gives them professional chances because he respects them. He respects his wife. He respects his mother. He respects and loves his daughters.

On that note, given your reaction to this item, you can now stop pretending to be objective.

BTW, her recollection of using a cell phone at the time she said she used it is priceless. At the very least, liberals can be entertaining.


You've been itching to get that one out, huh? When you can't win an argument, go looking for bias.

That's great that he gives them opportunities, respects them, his wife, mom and daughters. Please objectively tell me how any of that rules out the possibility that her allegations are true? Maybe I'm blinded by partisanship like you insist but to me it seems perfectly plausible someone can be an amazing legal mind, parent, son, and person while having made a mistake or been a jerk in high school. Meanwhile, in this thread you have thrown out her allegations because she flies on planes for Christ's sake, but Kavanaugh isn't an asshole to his mom and you somehow know he's innocent.

[Caf]

I don't think it plays any role whether he attempted to sexually assault Ford in any way, but it does speak to a more general larger sense of whether he has advanced women in the legal field and treated them with respect in a professional setting, which can't be said about a lot of powerful men.

I completely agree. It's great and something nice to see in the court. I only find it to be insignificant as it applies to the allegations.

[xudash]

You've been itching to get that one out, huh? When you can't win an argument, go looking for bias.

That's great that he gives them opportunities, respects them, his wife, mom and daughters. Please objectively tell me how any of that rules out the possibility that her allegations are true? Maybe I'm blinded by partisanship like you insist but to me it seems perfectly plausible someone can be an amazing legal mind, parent, son, and person while having made a mistake or been a jerk in high school. Meanwhile, in this thread you have thrown out her allegations because she flies on planes for Christ's sake, but Kavanaugh isn't an asshole to his mom and you somehow know he's innocent.

It doesn't.

But please tell me how you can still stand with her when HER WITNESSES have refuted HER.

Nice try with the planes comment. You fail again. The flying bullshit, the front doors bullshit, ZERO corroboration from her witnesses, constant coaching from her attorneys during her testimony, and the inability to recall basic facts when she otherwise held fast to her accusation ALL add up to an epic fail for the liberal agenda.

Women who have actually have been wronged are shaking their heads, wondering how this staged shit show was allowed to take place.

[xu82]

I generally avoid this thread. This reinforces my feelings. God help us all.

[paulxu]

Just curious...if the dean of his own law school has a concern about his judicial temperament,, isn't that concerning?

Maybe its drivel; I don't know.

[Caf]

It doesn't.

But please tell me how you can still stand with her when HER WITNESSES have refuted HER.

Nice try with the planes comment. You fail again. The flying bullshit, the front doors bullshit, ZERO corroboration from her witnesses, constant coaching from her attorneys during her testimony, and the inability to recall basic facts when she otherwise held fast to her accusation ALL add up to an epic fail for the liberal agenda.

Women who have actually have been wronged are shaking their heads, wondering how this staged shit show was allowed to take place.

I don't "stand with her". I stand by the fact that we don't know the truth. We do have a reasonable doubt, which is why he's on the court and I previously said he should be.

As for the bold portion, do what you want, but I'd be careful claiming to know how "women who have actually been wronged" (an enormous number of people), feel about this.

[boozehound]

I don't "stand with her". I stand by the fact that we don't know the truth. We do have a reasonable doubt, which is why he's on the court and I previously said he should be.

As for the bold portion, do what you want, but I'd be careful claiming to know how "women who have actually been wronged" (an enormous number of people), feel about this.

I can't believe how many people are so sure that someone they have never met, and likely didn't even know existed until a month ago, is completely innocent.

[xudash]

Just curious...if the dean of his own law school has a concern about his judicial temperament,, isn't that concerning?

Maybe its drivel; I don't know.

Paul, what's concerning about an admitted liberal expressing his opinion?

The only part of what he wrote that wasn't drivel was this:

Over the past decade, Kavanaugh has been a casual acquaintance. He seemed a gentle, quiet, reserved man, always solicitous of the dignity of his position as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

The man's long, dignified track record - his substantial body of work - is my point of focus in all this, not his reaction to a pathetic attempt at ruining his life.

The dean's opinion is worthless.

[GoMuskies]

Just curious...if the dean of his own law school has a concern about his judicial temperament,, isn't that concerning?


If the dean had held that opinion 6 months ago, perhaps yes.

[Caf]

I can't believe how many people are so sure that someone they have never met, and likely didn't even know existed until a month ago, is completely innocent.

I know, you can't reason with these moderates, man!

[xudash]

I know, you can't reason with these moderates, man!

Ha!

Given everything that is known at this time, who between the two of them is more credible?

And try to be honest with yourself.

Seriously, I can assure you that if just one of her witnesses corroborated her story, I would be in a very different place with all of this. Liberals are in absolutely no position to pretend that they are being reasonable.

[paulxu]

Paul, what's concerning about an admitted liberal expressing his opinion?

The only part of what he wrote that wasn't drivel was this:

Over the past decade, Kavanaugh has been a casual acquaintance. He seemed a gentle, quiet, reserved man, always solicitous of the dignity of his position as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

The man's long, dignified track record - his substantial body of work - is my point of focus in all this, not his reaction to a pathetic attempt at ruining his life.

The dean's opinion is worthless.

Perhaps so.

I'm struck by how the passion generated with inflamed rhetoric (on both sides) often clouds some facts.
I'm very troubled by his past work on issues (torture, utilizing stolen senatorial files, etc). His straightforward lying about them was very important to me.
As to the Ford allegation, we also overlook that her sharing of the info years before with people, and her letter to her congress person were all before Kavanaugh was even nominated seems important.
Continuing to push the latter as a "hoax" seems counterproductive to our discourse.

[Caf]

Ha!

Given everything that is known at this time, who between the two of them is more credible?

And try to be honest with yourself.

Seriously, I can assure you that if just one of her witnesses corroborated her story, I would be in a very different place with all of this. Liberals are in absolutely no position to pretend that they are being reasonable.

I really don't know how many times, or different ways, I can say this to you so I'm just going to start quoting myself.


I don't "stand with her". I stand by the fact that we don't know the truth. We do have a reasonable doubt, which is why he's on the court and I previously said he should be.

[xudash]

I really don't know how many times, or different ways, I can say this to you so I'm just going to start quoting myself.

You write many things at different times and in different ways: "Him employing a lot of women/having female friends was one of his go-to defenses in dismissing Ford's claims and it's obviously nonsense."

But it's good to know that you agree that he should be on the court. That is very reasonable.

[Caf]

You write many things at different times and in different ways: "Him employing a lot of women/having female friends was one of his go-to defenses in dismissing Ford's claims and it's obviously nonsense."


It's great and something nice to see in the court. I only find it to be insignificant as it applies to the allegations.

You can swap out 'insignificant' with 'nonsensical' if that makes my point clearer.

[Lamont Sanford]

Paul, what's concerning about an admitted liberal expressing his opinion?

The only part of what he wrote that wasn't drivel was this:

Over the past decade, Kavanaugh has been a casual acquaintance. He seemed a gentle, quiet, reserved man, always solicitous of the dignity of his position as a judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit.

The man's long, dignified track record - his substantial body of work - is my point of focus in all this, not his reaction to a pathetic attempt at ruining his life.

The dean's opinion is worthless.

Dilly dilly. Well said Dash.

[GoMuskies]

Nikki Haley resigning is too bad. I doubt Trump will do better with her replacement. And I wonder what Nikki will do next. Run for President in 2024? Can't see her trying to primary Trump. Perhaps Trump won't run in 2020? That would be nice.

[Caf]

Nikki Haley resigning is too bad. I doubt Trump will do better with her replacement. And I wonder what Nikki will do next. Run for President in 2024? Can't see her trying to primary Trump. Perhaps Trump won't run in 2020? That would be nice.

Obviously there is now a mountains worth of speculation that this is related to Kavanaugh.

[bobbiemcgee]

I liked Haley a lot. Big loss for Trump.

[Caf]

Turkish Officials Say Khashoggi Was Killed on Order of Saudi Leadership - NYT (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/world/europe/jamal-khashoggi-turkey-saudi-arabia.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top)


Fifteen Saudi agents had arrived on two charter flights last Tuesday, the day Mr. Khashoggi disappeared, the official said.

All 15 left just a few hours later, and Turkey has now identified the roles that most or all of them held in the Saudi government or security services, the official said. One was an autopsy expert, presumably there to help dismember the body, the official said.

At what point do we stand up to Saudi Arabia?

[paulxu]

Maybe Trump fires Sessions after the election, and puts Graham in as AG.
That would allow governor of South Carolina to slot Haley in to replace Graham in the Senate.

[GoMuskies]

At what point do we stand up to Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia is the worst actor in the region...other than everyone else in the region.

[Caf]

Saudi Arabia is the worst actor in the region...other than everyone else in the region.

1 Iran
2 Syria
3 Saudi Arabia?
4 Turkey?

I know we officially count them as an ally, but like you point out it's definitely just that they're the lesser of evils.

[Masterofreality]

How incredibly convenient that after Kavanaugh gets confirmed, Ms. Blasey Ford has no desire to pursue any further action- criminal or otherwise?
This after, there was no corroboration/backup/confirmation...errrrr PROOF that her allegations were anything more than a loud screaming attempt to derail a good man's reputation and life path.
Oh and after all the Go Fund Me pages had raised over $827,000 for Ford and Quote "We are working with all the Campaign organizers and guarantee the funds raised will be transferred directly to the Ford family" Go Fund Me spokeswoman Catherine Cichy told Market Watch".
Pretty nice chunk of change "for the family" (and ostensibly for her trash shark attorneys) as a result of a made up, fairy tale of unproven status, and a couple of hour TV appearance.

So damn interesting that A) Ford's Mother & Father, usually the first people to defend a Daughter, never said ANYTHING on her behalf/support through this whole thing. B) Her helicoptering lawyers never produced any of the supporting docs from the Therapist or the Lie Detector test that they were claiming would prove her story, despite being ordered to by the Judiciary Committee.

"Hey, we were just kidding. Leave us alone now".

Gawd I hope some intrepid young aggressive investigative reporter can somehow get his or her hands on the docs and get to the real story. I also really hope that Pelosi's gambit blows up in her Bitter Beer Face. Be careful, when you invoke the "Freedom of Information Act". It can have very unintended consequences.

Meanwhile, I can't wait until Amy Coney Barrett is the next nominee. What kind of dirt will the Left try to dig up on a wife, Mom-of-Seven-Kids? Prolly that she went to Notre Dame. Shocking!!!

[Juice]

How incredibly convenient that after Kavanaugh gets confirmed, Ms. Blasey Ford has no desire to pursue any further action- criminal or otherwise?
This after, there was no corroboration/backup/confirmation...errrrr PROOF that her allegations were anything more than a loud screaming attempt to derail a good man's reputation and life path.
Oh and after all the Go Fund Me pages had raised over $827,000 for Ford and Quote "We are working with all the Campaign organizers and guarantee the funds raised will be transferred directly to the Ford family" Go Fund Me spokeswoman Catherine Cichy told Market Watch".
Pretty nice chunk of change "for the family" (and ostensibly for her trash shark attorneys) as a result of a made up, fairy tale of unproven status, and a couple of hour TV appearance.

So damn interesting that A) Ford's Mother & Father, usually the first people to defend a Daughter, never said ANYTHING on her behalf/support through this whole thing. B) Her helicoptering lawyers never produced any of the supporting docs from the Therapist or the Lie Detector test that they were claiming would prove her story, despite being ordered to by the Judiciary Committee.

"Hey, we were just kidding. Leave us alone now".

Gawd I hope some intrepid young aggressive investigative reporter can somehow get his or her hands on the docs and get to the real story. I also really hope that Pelosi's gambit blows up in her Bitter Beer Face. Be careful, when you invoke the "Freedom of Information Act". It can have very unintended consequences.

Meanwhile, I can't wait until Amy Coney Barrett is the next nominee. What kind of dirt will the Left try to dig up on a wife, Mom-of-Seven-Kids? Prolly that she went to Notre Dame. Shocking!!!

Two of which adopted from Haiti

[paulxu]

This after, there was no corroboration/backup/confirmation..

I'm not sure I'd want any more attention after my president mocked me in front of cheering crowds on national television.

On the other hand, maybe some enterprising senate attorneys can file perjury charges against these people:


In all three otherwise everyday scenes, Christine Blasey Ford described to others about being sexually assaulted many years earlier by a future federal judge, according to sworn affidavits her lawyers said Wednesday they submitted to the Senate Judiciary Committee. A fourth from her husband says that during a 2012 couples therapy session, Ford named her attacker as Brett Kavanaugh. President Donald Trump nominated Kavanaugh July 9 to the Supreme Court

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I said it once and I will say it again, Kavanaugh should not be on the court based on his previous rulings. Anyone can google them for reference I actually did read several, his views on clean water, employee rights, voting rights, and abortion should have precluded him from being on the court all in favor of corporations.

But hey, as a country we all just want to slam on the gas pedal in this car of a country we are in and go as fast as we can.....backwards just so Trump and company can get one on the liberals. It is asinine. I will always not figure out how a party convince a massive percentage of the populous that universal healthcare is evil and the remainder of the first world countries are all wrong.

[Xville]

I said it once and I will say it again, Kavanaugh should not be on the court based on my opinionAnyone can google them for reference I actually did read several, his views on clean water, employee rights, voting rights, and abortion should have precluded him from being on the court all in favor of corporations.

But hey, as a country we all just want to slam on the gas pedal in this car of a country we are in and go as fast as we can.....backwards just so Trump and company can get one on the liberals. It is asinine. I will always not figure out how a party convince a massive percentage of the populous that universal healthcare is evil and the remainder of the first world countries are all wrong.

Fixed it for you

[xudash]

I said it once and I will say it again, Kavanaugh should not be on the court based on his previous rulings. Anyone can google them for reference I actually did read several, his views on clean water, employee rights, voting rights, and abortion should have precluded him from being on the court all in favor of corporations.

But hey, as a country we all just want to slam on the gas pedal in this car of a country we are in and go as fast as we can.....backwards just so Trump and company can get one on the liberals. It is asinine. I will always not figure out how a party convince a massive percentage of the populous that universal healthcare is evil and the remainder of the first world countries are all wrong.

https://www.facebook.com/TheScoop.US/photos/a.425173267898820/670303556719122/?type=3&theater

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Fixed it for you

You like judges that side with corporations to the detriment of people? Got it, you worship corporate profits over people’s lives. You and Kavanaugh could be beer buddies.


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[Xville]

You like judges that side with corporations to the detriment of people? Got it, you worship corporate profits over people’s lives. You and Kavanaugh could be beer buddies.


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All of this is your opinion and not rooted in actual fact. Hilarious you cite worrying about people's lives but have no.issue with abortion.

[Juice]

I said it once and I will say it again, Kavanaugh should not be on the court based on his previous rulings. Anyone can google them for reference I actually did read several, his views on clean water, employee rights, voting rights, and abortion should have precluded him from being on the court all in favor of corporations.

But hey, as a country we all just want to slam on the gas pedal in this car of a country we are in and go as fast as we can.....backwards just so Trump and company can get one on the liberals. It is asinine. I will always not figure out how a party convince a massive percentage of the populous that universal healthcare is evil and the remainder of the first world countries are all wrong.

That's not how any of this works.

[paulxu]

I'm very troubled by his past work on issues (torture, utilizing stolen senatorial files, etc). His straightforward lying about them was very important to me.

The judicial system is now processing formal ethics complaints against Kavanaugh on exactly these items.

[GenerationX]

The judicial system is now processing formal ethics complaints against Kavanaugh on exactly these items.

I hope it’s legitimate, but I’m pretty sure it’s a front. People filed complaints and Roberts has to appear to follow up. But I doubt it will amount to anything.

[paulxu]

I hope it’s legitimate, but I’m pretty sure it’s a front. People filed complaints and Roberts has to appear to follow up. But I doubt it will amount to anything.

True. Interesting that they went to Merrick Garland...and after the first couple were filed he recused himself.

[bigdiggins]

I said it once and I will say it again, Kavanaugh should not be on the court based on his previous rulings. Anyone can google them for reference I actually did read several, his views on clean water, employee rights, voting rights, and abortion should have precluded him from being on the court all in favor of corporations.

But hey, as a country we all just want to slam on the gas pedal in this car of a country we are in and go as fast as we can.....backwards just so Trump and company can get one on the liberals. It is asinine. I will always not figure out how a party convince a massive percentage of the populous that universal healthcare is evil and the remainder of the first world countries are all wrong.

Were those the 55 times he and Garland voted the same or the 3 times they disagreed? Really interesting that he sided with corporations to ban abortions. I didn't even know corporations could get pregnant.

[bobbiemcgee]

Fox News and republicans loves Kanye now. Odd.

[GoMuskies]

Fox News and republicans loves Kanye now. Odd.

I've been reading some of the commentary on this tonight. Democrats are really bad at this. The way they turn on any black person who happens to support Trumps is crazy. And the things they'll say about them. Wow. Stigmatizing mental illness was off limits, too, until Kanye showed up in the Oval. Now it's fine.

Honestly, it's like Democrats are begging people not to vote for them.

[bobbiemcgee]

Well, he did say he was a crazy motherf...… and I agree.

[GoMuskies]

He married a Kardashian for God's sake. Name the sane person to do that. Bruce Jenner? Uh..., no. Lamar Odom? Negatory. Kris Humphries? Wait, did that actually happen?

Point being, no one doubts West is crazy. Calling him an Uncle Tom, a token negro, a race traitor and mentally ill...all in one CNN segment? That's not very wise.

[STL_XUfan]

Fox News and republicans loves Kanye now. Odd.

At this point I cannot tell if this is performance art or if he has gone around the bend (I am not sure even Kanye knows anymore). That whole press conference made me feel like I was watching an improv troupe where all of the members were just chewing the scenery.

[paulxu]

Fox News and republicans loves Kanye now. Odd.

Taylor Swift backlash?

[GenerationX]

True. Interesting that they went to Merrick Garland...and after the first couple were filed he recused himself.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevedenning/2018/10/11/chief-justice-roberts-requests-tenth-circuit-to-investigate-kavanaugh-ethics-questions/#1396ef711877

[Caf]

I've been reading some of the commentary on this tonight. Democrats are really bad at this. The way they turn on any black person who happens to support Trumps is crazy. And the things they'll say about them. Wow. Stigmatizing mental illness was off limits, too, until Kanye showed up in the Oval. Now it's fine.

Honestly, it's like Democrats are begging people not to vote for them.

Consistency would go a long way for them.

I said it before about Collins, but if your message is that of women and minority rights you probably shouldn't castigate women and minorities because they disagree with you. That reminds me of the women's march refusing pro-life women's groups. They're constantly throwing out the baby with the bath water.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Were those the 55 times he and Garland voted the same or the 3 times they disagreed? Really interesting that he sided with corporations to ban abortions. I didn't even know corporations could get pregnant.

Where did I type how much I loved Garland? If he and Kavanaugh were and are so close why not allow Garland to go through?


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[paulxu]

Yikes. I read somewhere that Kavanaugh and Ford's fathers play golf together at Burning Tree.
That could be sticky.

[Masterofreality]

Yikes. I read somewhere that Kavanaugh and Ford's fathers play golf together at Burning Tree.
That could be sticky.

I doubt it since there was NO, zero, as in zilch, support for Ford from even her own parents. They probably know that she is looney, and wanted nothing to do with the circus.
Usually the first people that come to an accusers defense are her own parents. Not so here.

Kavanaugh is and will be on the Supreme Court for a long long time making rulings that are Constitutionally based. Deal with it.

[paulxu]

I doubt it since there was NO, zero, as in zilch, support for Ford from even her own parents. They probably know that she is looney, and wanted nothing to do with the circus.
Usually the first people that come to an accusers defense are her own parents. Not so here.


Reached by phone on Tuesday, Ford’s father, Ralph Blasey Jr., offered a brief endorsement of his daughter. “I think all of the Blasey family would support her. I think her record stands for itself. Her schooling, her jobs and so on,” he said before hanging up. Moments later, after picking up the phone a second time, he added: “I think any father would have love for his daughter.”


For the Blaseys, it is all intertwined. Ford’s parents raised their children in the same affluent Maryland suburbs as the Kavanaugh family. Her father belongs to the same exclusive all-male golf club as Kavanaugh’s father.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/christine-blasey-fords-own-family-has-been-nearly-silent-amid-outpouring-of-support/2018/09/26/49a3f4a6-c0d6-11e8-be77-516336a26305_story.html?utm_term=.7ad89b02829d

[GoMuskies]

Wow, that's pretty lukewarm support from a parent.

[paulxu]

Wow, that's pretty lukewarm support from a parent.

I agree. It's very lukewarm.
I'm trying to imagine the scene on the first tee.
Hey, my daughter says your son molested her in high school."
Tense.

I was just pointing out there was something...as opposed to zilch.

[scoscox]

Goes both ways. Assuming Kavanaugh's dad believes in his son's innocence he probably doesn't think too highly of Ford either

[Caf]

Trump, Calling Mattis a Democrat, Opens the Door to His Departure (https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-calling-mattis-a-democrat-opens-the-door-to-his-departure-1539535020?mod=hp_lead_pos10)

This would be ill advised to me. Mattis is by far the most widely respected member of the cabinet.

[GoMuskies]

Elizabeth Warren "likely had a Native American ancestor from six to 10 generations ago."

[Juice]

Elizabeth Warren "likely had a Native American ancestor from six to 10 generations ago."


So Elizabeth Warren is *possibly* 1/1024 (0.09%) Native American.

Scientists say the average European-American is 0.18% Native American. (https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/25/science/23andme-genetic-ethnicity-study.html …)

That'd make Warren even less Native American than the average European-American.

I like how it's not even for sure that she has that ancestor. Her stories about her parents secretly marrying seem a little foolish now.

[scoscox]

They also opened up the test to include South Americans as part of the definition, so she could be 1/1204 or whatever Native American/south America combined. She may be one of the whitest people in the United States. Not sure I’ve ever seen a more hilarious self own in us political history

[Juice]

They also opened up the test to include South Americans as part of the definition, so she could be 1/1204 or whatever Native American/south America combined. She may be one of the whitest people in the United States. Not sure I’ve ever seen a more hilarious self own in us political history

How in the hell did she think these results supported her? I would have burned the results and paid anyone off who know what they were.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

As much as I don’t believe this ancestry test, I find it hilarious she does what you ask and it comes out positive and you still poke fun. You read like 12 year olds bullying a classmate.


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[GoMuskies]

As much as I don’t believe this ancestry test, I find it hilarious she does what you ask and it comes out positive and you still poke fun. You read like 12 year olds bullying a classmate.

Did it come out positive, though? I mean, just about everyone whose family has been in the country that long is likely to find some Native American (or maybe South American) ancestry in the last 6-10 generations. Hell, I'm probably a black, Jewish Eskimo by that standard.

[bjf123]

As much as I don’t believe this ancestry test, I find it hilarious she does what you ask and it comes out positive and you still poke fun. You read like 12 year olds bullying a classmate.


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It’s just a tiny little bit positive. She made it sound like she was 1/4 Native American. The results show she anywhere from 1/64 to 1/1024 Native American. At that level, it’s a rounding error and using that small of an amount to claim the heritage is ludicrous. I have a funny feeling that if 1/1024 is now considered legitimate, there are a shitload of Americans who can claim to be part Black or part Native American.


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[Juice]

As much as I don’t believe this ancestry test, I find it hilarious she does what you ask and it comes out positive and you still poke fun. You read like 12 year olds bullying a classmate.


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She's not even 1% Native American. She's "most likely" less than a tenth of a percentage Native American. That's lower than my BAC at the Bengals game yesterday.

[Masterofreality]

As much as I don’t believe this ancestry test, I find it hilarious she does what you ask and it comes out positive and you still poke fun. You read like 12 year olds bullying a classmate.


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I wish my Accounting Prof at XU counted a score of .0009 as a "positive" passing grade. Your statement is ludicrous.
All politicians lie.....That is spelled A....L....L.

But since Trump bet her $1,000,000 that her statement of Native American ancestry was false, I submit he should pay her or some charity $976.

[Masterofreality]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/christine-blasey-fords-own-family-has-been-nearly-silent-amid-outpouring-of-support/2018/09/26/49a3f4a6-c0d6-11e8-be77-516336a26305_story.html?utm_term=.7ad89b02829d

"All of the Blasey family". Hmm, what about you Ralph?
And of course any father has love for their daughters....even when they're batshit crazy.
About as close to a non endorsement as you can get.

[Juice]

The Cherokee Nation has issues with Warren

https://twitter.com/JustinWingerter/status/1051943041576169476

[Caf]

The dumbest part of this is she's provided a distraction from Trump's lukewarm response to Saudi Arabia's murder of Jamal Khashoggi's.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This whole thing is stupid. She actually goes out and pays for a DNA test. I agree with the Cherokee here in that they believe the tests are dubious at best. However, what did they and a Trump want her to do?

She believed her family’s stories. There was no reason not to. She never used them to get ahead in this world as a minority, that was debunked. She does a test that is readily available and now the same offended parties are still offended.

They sound like snowflakes.


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[GoMuskies]

No one's offended. It's hilarious. She actually did EXACTLY what Trump wanted her to do. She made herself look stupid. And she's not stupid.

"She never used them to get ahead in this world as a minority" wasn't really debunked. Warren funded a video where hand-picked people say her "minority status" didn't have anything to do with her hiring. But she sure did push that crap hard through the years.

[Juice]

This whole thing is stupid. She actually goes out and pays for a DNA test. I agree with the Cherokee here in that they believe the tests are dubious at best. However, what did they and a Trump want her to do?

She believed her family’s stories. There was no reason not to. She never used them to get ahead in this world as a minority, that was debunked. She does a test that is readily available and now the same offended parties are still offended.

They sound like snowflakes.


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Actually the Cherokee, actual Native Americans, are offended now too.

Also:

Warren was identified by Harvard Law as a “woman of color.” Harvard promoted Warren’s hire as expanding their campus diversity by hiring a woman with "minority background" onto their faculty.


Elizabeth Warren self-identified as a "Native American" in the The Association of American Law Schools Directory of law professors in every edition printed between 1986 -1995.

[Caf]

U.S. Government Deficit Grew 17% in Fiscal 2018 - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-government-debt-rises-17-in-fiscal-2018-1539626598?mod=djemCapitalJournalDaybreak)


Deficits usually shrink during economic booms because strong growth leads to increased tax revenue as household income, corporate profits and capital gains all rise. Meantime, spending on safety-net programs like unemployment insurance and food stamps tends to be restrained.

In the last fiscal year, a different set of forces was at play as economic growth sped up. Interest payments on the federal debt and military spending rose rapidly, while tax revenue failed to keep pace as the Republican tax cuts for both individuals and corporations kicked in....

Government spending as a share of GDP declined, but federal revenue fell even more—to 16.5% of GDP last year from 17.2% in the previous year—pushing the deficit higher.

[XU 87]

U.S. Government Deficit Grew 17% in Fiscal 2018 - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-government-debt-rises-17-in-fiscal-2018-1539626598?mod=djemCapitalJournalDaybreak)

It's good to see that these republican fiscal conservatives are doing such a great job of keeping down spending. What a disgrace.

[STL_XUfan]

No one's offended. It's hilarious. She actually did EXACTLY what Trump wanted her to do. She made herself look stupid. And she's not stupid.

"She never used them to get ahead in this world as a minority" wasn't really debunked. Warren funded a video where hand-picked people say her "minority status" didn't have anything to do with her hiring. But she sure did push that crap hard through the years.

This whole controversy is a throw back to the type of things the media would get worked up about, but are ultimately meaningless (God bless tan suit gate). Instead we now have a president simultaneously insulting a pornstar on twitter while reciting Saudi Arabian talking points about the murder of a US resident.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

No one's offended. It's hilarious. She actually did EXACTLY what Trump wanted her to do. She made herself look stupid. And she's not stupid.

"She never used them to get ahead in this world as a minority" wasn't really debunked. Warren funded a video where hand-picked people say her "minority status" didn't have anything to do with her hiring. But she sure did push that crap hard through the years.

You want to check snopes on that. There is zero credibility to the claims she used any minority claim to get jobs.

[GoMuskies]

No, I don't want to check snopes on that. Getting a job isn't the only way to get ahead.

[Caf]

It's good to see that these republican fiscal conservatives are doing such a great job of keeping down spending. What a disgrace.

Very unsettling to know that even in the strongest of economies we're trending in the wrong direction.

If the Fed hadn't become so aggressive with getting rates closer to normal levels we would really have no tools available left in the case of a downturn.

[Caf]

You want to check snopes on that. There is zero credibility to the claims she used any minority claim to get jobs.

This was a mistake. She should have consulted Obama before getting into the mud over genetics. By doing this she has validated the attacks. Clearly this was done to try to put this behind her before a push towards 2020. Trump opponents will never learn that you can't beat him at this game. Better to stick with substance.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Actually the Cherokee, actual Native Americans, are offended now too.

Also:

You can't please everyone.

[Mrs. Garrett]

Actually the Cherokee, actual Native Americans, are offended now too.

Also:

Let me guess now it matters what Native Americans think, but the same people just ignore them when they are offended by the Washington Redskins.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Let me guess now it matters what Native Americans think, but the same people just ignore them when they are offended by the Washington Redskins.

Read their statement, she merely provided the results of a DNA test (one which I am not a big believer in), they are criticizing that the DNA test doesn't prove citizenship which is something she isn't claiming.

[Caf]

I don't want to take attention away from the pressing issues in our national soap opera today, BUT just a friendly reminder that our President is currently helping Saudi Arabia soften the impact of them having murdered a US resident.

[GoMuskies]

I don't want to take attention away from the pressing issues in our national soap opera today, BUT just a friendly reminder that our President is currently helping Saudi Arabia soften the impact of them having murdered a US resident.

I get that this story has received a lot of coverage, but it's like the 12th worst thing Saudi Arabia did that week.

[Caf]

I get that this story has received a lot of coverage, but it's like the 12th worst thing Saudi Arabia did that week.

To me this might be the worst thing Trump has done so far. The worst part is that any of our Presidents or candidates in the past or future would do it too.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

To me this might be the worst thing Trump has done so far. The worst part is that any of our Presidents or candidates in the past or future would do it too.

I don't know, I am still not over Obama ramping up instead of shutting down electronic surveillance of US citizens. That anger just isn't going away.

[muskienick]

I generally avoid this thread. This reinforces my feelings. God help us all.

+1!!!

[Juice]

Let me guess now it matters what Native Americans think, but the same people just ignore them when they are offended by the Washington Redskins.

I think the Redskins name is bad as well.

[GoMuskies]

+1!!!

It may not say much, but in my travels around the Internet, this board actually has the most civilized discussion of politics where there are diverse points of view represented. The only other places where civility reigns in political discussions are echo chambers.

[scoscox]

^ actually very true

[boozehound]

I get that this story has received a lot of coverage, but it's like the 12th worst thing Saudi Arabia did that week.

Yeah. It's weird how we grab on to certain things, while ignoring other (often far worse) things. This is obviously a bad thing that the Saudi government has done, but is anyone really surprised?

[Caf]

Yeah. It's weird how we grab on to certain things, while ignoring other (often far worse) things. This is obviously a bad thing that the Saudi government has done, but is anyone really surprised?

I'm certainly not surprised by their actions and I agree that our media and people pick weird things to focus on. You genuinely have to make an effort to find stories on Yemen. What's continuously surprising and disappointing though is that our leaders seemingly have no line with them. How far in bed with them are we that even Trump, who lambastes NATO and started a trade war with China, won't stand up to them?

[Masterofreality]

I'm certainly not surprised by their actions and I agree that our media and people pick weird things to focus on. You genuinely have to make an effort to find stories on Yemen. What's continuously surprising and disappointing though is that our leaders seemingly have no line with them. How far in bed with them are we that even Trump, who lambastes NATO and started a trade war with China, won't stand up to them?

Ya know, it is very sad commentary, but the whole Middle East is a clusterF$*&k. ALL the actors are bad. Every single one of them. The choice you have is which of the cadre of Bad Actors you choose to have a relationship with. You know that the US will never abandon Israel, and Jordan and Dubai seem to be the only somewhat stable places, also with Monarchies like Saudi Arabia. So what the hell do you support?

It's like walking through a minefield, where you know at some point, something really bad is going to happen. All you can do is navigate and choose to enable the lesser of all the evils. So, you're left with dealing with flawed good/evil locales that for the most part are at least acceptable most of the time.
Hence, Saudi Arabia where you have to step around the Dog Sh$#@t and accept the criticism from pundits when you do.

That's reality.

[Caf]

Ya know, it is very sad commentary, but the whole Middle East is a clusterF$*&k. ALL the actors are bad. Every single one of them. The choice you have is which of the cadre of Bad Actors you choose to have a relationship with. You know that the US will never abandon Israel, and Jordan and Dubai seem to be the only somewhat stable places, also with Monarchies like Saudi Arabia. So what the hell do you support?

It's like walking through a minefield, where you know at some point, something really bad is going to happen. All you can do is navigate and choose to enable the lesser of all the evils. So, you're left with dealing with flawed good/evil locales that for the most part are at least acceptable most of the time.
Hence, Saudi Arabia where you have to step around the Dog Sh$#@t and accept the criticism from pundits when you do.

That's reality.

All good points. If I had a solution or even a sensible recommendation on Mid East policy I'd probably make a lot more money. A Monroe Doctrine type approach seems like the only way to break the cycle, but we're too far in for that.

I do find it really striking how our explosion in oil production has harmed the evil governments of the world. I don't think that's a phenomenon that gets covered enough. Rate hikes are getting all of the press in regards to Emerging Market economics, and they deserve a lot, but our oil production pretty single handedly crushed Venezuela's economy and enormously hurt Russia's.

[GoMuskies]

I do find it really striking how our explosion in oil production has harmed the evil governments of the world.

It's striking, but you know who's fighting fracking at every turn, right? It IS amazing how some geologists and engineers in the Permian Basis are changing the world.

[Masterofreality]

It's striking, but you know who's fighting fracking at every turn, right? It IS amazing how some geologists and engineers in the Permian Basis are changing the world.

Yup. This from Bloomberg Businessweek:

"The Permian Basin is six years into a boom sparked by advances in drilling methods that have unlocked a sea of hitherto unattainable oil buried inside a 90,000-square-mile stretch of sedimentary rock straddling Texas and New Mexico. The area’s production approaches that of Iran—the third-largest OPEC member"

Yeah, we're really taking a chomp out of their business. Amazing how all "anti-fracking" environmentalists were blatantly willing to tamp down the US's energy security, and make this country dependent on unreliable actors, for the sake of beating their chests over "saving the earth".

As Elon Musk is finding out. It's not so easy building a battery powered car. And, damn. Aren't we so happy that Obama threw billions of Federal bucks at General Motors to build an abomination of a alternative vehicle- The Chevy Volt. The same vehicle where it's sales decreased 19% in the second quarter of this year to a "hefty" 4,300 units- WITH large tax subsidies if you bought one. Yeah. That REALLY worked out. In an automobile sales industry of over 17.25 million, there were less than 17,000 Volts sold. I guess that is a greater percentage (.000987) than Elizabeth Warren's "Native American" DNA heritage though. There's that.

Hey, at some point in the far future, the fossil fuels will dissipate, but we have time to come up with other stuff. Much more time than the panicked tree huggers were giving. Thank Gawd we exited that ridiculous Paris Accord.

[Caf]

The best argument for shale has always been energy independence. For awhile, when the scale of our production capability was less understood, that was the best argument for focusing on alternative energies. However, we now have that independence and it has gotten us almost nowhere in the Middle East.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yup. This from Bloomberg Businessweek:

"The Permian Basin is six years into a boom sparked by advances in drilling methods that have unlocked a sea of hitherto unattainable oil buried inside a 90,000-square-mile stretch of sedimentary rock straddling Texas and New Mexico. The area’s production approaches that of Iran—the third-largest OPEC member"

Yeah, we're really taking a chomp out of their business. Amazing how all "anti-fracking" environmentalists were blatantly willing to tamp down the US's energy security, and make this country dependent on unreliable actors, for the sake of beating their chests over "saving the earth".

As Elon Musk is finding out. It's not so easy building a battery powered car. And, damn. Aren't we so happy that Obama threw billions of Federal bucks at General Motors to build an abomination of a alternative vehicle- The Chevy Volt. The same vehicle where it's sales decreased 19% in the second quarter of this year to a "hefty" 4,300 units- WITH large tax subsidies if you bought one. Yeah. That REALLY worked out. In an automobile sales industry of over 17.25 million, there were less than 17,000 Volts sold. I guess that is a greater percentage (.000987) than Elizabeth Warren's "Native American" DNA heritage though. There's that.

Hey, at some point in the far future, the fossil fuels will dissipate, but we have time to come up with other stuff. Much more time than the panicked tree huggers were giving. Thank Gawd we exited that ridiculous Paris Accord.

I hate to brake it to you, but fracking is not the solution. It is a band aid. Electric cars are the future, sustainability is the future. Killing the planet just for a band aid on the present isn't what we should be all about. Do you understand that renewable energy and electric cars make us just as independent from those countries also?

Why is this generation so hell bent on mortgaging our future just for the present? We do it in the environment and we do it in government spending.

[GoMuskies]

Aww, you think fracking is killing the planet. That's cute.