Game Thread: Xavier v. Lehigh (November 11, 2016)

[Muskie]

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November 11, 2016
7:00 p.m. Tip-Off
Cintas Center
Radio: Link (http://www.goxavier.com/showcase?Live=128)
TV: Fox Sports College
Live Stats (http://www.sidearmstats.com/xavier/mbball/)

Lehigh Messageboard (http://www.lehighsportsforum.com/forums/forum/lehigh-sports/lehigh-mens-basketball/)
Lehigh Game Notes (http://www.lehighsports.com/custompages/Game%20Notes/Men's%20Basketball/2016-17/1%20-%20Lehigh%20at%20Xavier%20Notes%20111116.pdf)

Xavier Pr-Game Notes (http://goxavier.com/news/2016/11/10/mens-basketball-hosts-lehigh-on-friday-on-opening-night-at-cintas-center.aspx)

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops)

Preview from the Enquirer (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2016/11/10/xavier-faces-stiff-lehigh-test-season-opener/93596132/)

http://www.xavierhoops.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2110&stc=1

[XU 87]

The '87 clan plans to tailgate tomorrow in LOT C. All are invited to attend. Bring beer. We ran out last year before the UC game tailgate due to high attendance and some of you cheapskates not bringing any.

[Muskie]

Is this a Rogue Tailgate set against the Tailgate X is having? I kid.

[XU 87]

Is this a Rogue Tailgate set against the Tailgate X is having? I kid.

Yes, we like to smoke cigars and think such activity will be frowned upon at the X tailgate around the corner.

[Muskie]

X has won 26 Home Opener's in a row, and every opener at Cintas.

[X-band '01]

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops) will be back tomorrow night. You must prove you are a human (not a robot), though.

[Muskie]

Added Live Chat to the top.

[X-band '01]

And don't forget:

#MCIAG

Mick, err, you know the rest.

[xu82]

Live Chat (http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=XavierHoops) will be back tomorrow night. You must prove you are a human (not a robot), though.

Can you give us a clue as to what's on the test? I might need a cram session...

[skyking]

Does anyone know why there are no Vegas odds on this game? (www.vegasinsider.com)

[Roadlife]

Does anyone know why there are no Vegas odds on this game? (www.vegasinsider.com)
I think it's too early. Odds are usually posted on the day prior and on game day, at least that's what I've seen in the past.

[GoMuskies]

Just checked Covers.com, and no line yet. There are some lines out for tomorrow (Kentucky -19.5 over SFA, UD -19 over APSU, UC -23.5 over Brown, for example), but nothing on X yet.

[bobbiemcgee]

Let's go Peay!

[xu82]

Let's go Peay!

At the next commercial.

[gladdenguy]

Just checked Covers.com, and no line yet. There are some lines out for tomorrow (Kentucky -19.5 over SFA, UD -19 over APSU, UC -23.5 over Brown, for example), but nothing on X yet.

I'm seeing lines for shitty games like Brown vs. sUCks and Austin Peay vs. Dayton but no line for a top 10 team? Wtf

[Nocalmuskie]

Anyone have streaming info? The game is not scheduled on Fox Sports Go

[paulxu]

After 8 long months, it's good to have the Muskies back on the court.

[Strange Brew]

After 8 long months, it's good to have the Muskies back on the court.

Less than 24 hours to go! I wanna be sedated.

LET'S GO X!

[X-band '01]

I'm seeing lines for shitty games like Brown vs. sUCks and Austin Peay vs. Dayton but no line for a top 10 team? Wtf

Are Patriot League teams allowed to have betting lines?

[American X]

DirecTV channel 608. The guide shows a couple of alternate channels for Fox College Sports, but if you punch in 608 it shows Upcoming: Lehigh @ Xavier.

[X-band '01]

Now that it is officially game day:

Mick Cronin Is A Goat*cker

[GoMuskies]

Are Patriot League teams allowed to have betting lines?

Yes

[Nocalmuskie]

I am looking at the Fox Sports Go schedule and I don't see it.

[X-ceptional]

Posted in another thread (click here (http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?31378-Lehigh-Preview&p=565353&viewfull=1#post565353)), but it is worth double-checking FS Go for everyone, as the game is showing up for me with a Playstation Vue login, so your provider may vary. Note, you can sign up for a free trial on the Vue website, and I think based on the other thread, AVIATORX said that the free trial login info does appear to work for FS Go... worth a shot if there are no other options.

[MauriceX]

I'm not going to have a computer handy closer to game time, so I won't be able to post an actual link, but I've had success using Reddit to find streams in the past. Check in closer to tip and they may have something. Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/r/ncaaBBallStreams/)

[XUMIOH12]

yeah its showing up on fox sports go for me too. If you have a cable package, it may only show up if you have that actual channel in your package.

[Muskie]

Channel Guide and Enquirer Preview have been added.

[Muskie]

Very interested to see how X approaches Kempton tonight down low. We will need better performances from the Bigs tonight.

[AviatorX]

Very interested to see how X approaches Kempton tonight down low. We will need better performances from the Bigs tonight.

If I were Lehigh, I'd be extremely worried about my guards staying in front of Sumner and Macura otherwise Kempton could spend a lot of time on the bench with fouls. Wouldn't be surprised to see zone from them.

[Masterofreality]

Thank Gawd, the season is HERE!!!

The flotsam and jetsam of the off season can now float away.

#GoYouFuskinMuskies!!!!!

[Masterofreality]

Now that it is officially game day:

Mick Cronin Is A Goat*cker

Appropriate that SucKS first game is against "Brown" . Goes right along with their shit schedule.

[Masterofreality]

Anyone have streaming info? The game is not scheduled on Fox Sports Go

Actually it IS scheduled on Fox Sports Go.

It's being shown on Fox College Sports

2111

[Masterofreality]

The game shows up on Fox Sports Go and will be shown on Fox College Sports.

[AviatorX]

Actually it IS scheduled on Fox Sports Go.

It's being shown on Fox College Sports

2111

Dependent on your provider.

[bobbiemcgee]

Middle tenn St beat Milligan 102-64. It's on!

[SC in DC]

Damn, I had Milligan +37!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

FCS is channel 608 on DTV right? Its showing a Houston Baptist @ Texas Tech right now and on the other one Campbell @ OK ST. Any help?

[ChicagoX]

FCS is channel 414 in Chicago if you have Comcast and the Sports Entertainment Package.

[American X]

FCS is channel 608 on DTV right? Its showing a Houston Baptist @ Texas Tech right now and on the other one Campbell @ OK ST. Any help?

Just hit 608 on your remote. The game is there. The guide is screwy.

[X-band '01]

Now that I think about it, what happens if there is unrest downtown tonight? I'd also be worried about what could happen in Clifton since UC has their home opener tonight as well.

[IVANHOE]

why would it not be showing uo in my fox sports go app? my location? all it has is usa soccer. any streams out there?

[Jesuit4Life]

Just a reminder that Fox College Sports is 3 regional channels and you'll want Central for our game.
Channel finder: http://fcs.channelfinder.net/v2/framework.aspx

[Jesuit4Life]

Let's Go X

[Muskeagle]

I think we are going to like Bernard.

[paulxu]

Thanks. Working fine.

Edit: for a little while anyway

[paulxu]

WKRC is about 10 seconds behind the video feed.

[GoMuskies]

Lehigh is pretty strong. Bernard is gonna be out a while it looks like.

[Jesuit4Life]

Thanks. Working fine.

Edit: for a little while anyway

Just checked again and it's working now. Hopefully it'll stay that way.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Lehigh is pretty strong. Bernard is gonna be out a while it looks like.

Define "awhile"... Joe and Byron made it sound bad.

[GoMuskies]

Define "awhile"... Joe and Byron made it sound bad.

Turned an ankle. Looked ugly, but those are hard to judge. Sometimes you're back in the second half and sometimes you're out for the year. It looked bad enough that my WAG is a few weeks.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That dunk! ED!

[mistabeecee41]

A combination of our matador post defense and guards not closing out is a recipe for a disaster

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ponied up $10 to watch, will cancel after month. Couldnt find a working stream.

[GoMuskies]

A combination of our matador post defense and guards not closing out is a recipe for a disaster

Lehigh is a nice test. Good enough to show our weaknesses but SHOULDN'T be good enough to win. Good scheduling.

[IVANHOE]

stream works!

[paulxu]

Just checked again and it's working now. Hopefully it'll stay that way.

I'm getting the nonsense you showed in your earlier post. I've got adblocker and went right to it. After about 5 minutes it went to the message you note.
I'm not going to load that other thing to clear it up. Maybe it'll come back.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Turned an ankle. Looked ugly, but those are hard to judge. Sometimes you're back in the second half and sometimes you're out for the year. It looked bad enough that my WAG is a few weeks.

Time for Goodin to grow up in a hurry

[GoMuskies]

Bernard is in.

So hard to judge was right. :)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Bernard back

[Jesuit4Life]

I'm not going to load that other thing to clear it up. Maybe it'll come back.
The script is safe but I understand it's a pain to setup. You can try refreshing the stream and maybe the message will go away.

Joe & Byron are always a good option if you can't watch.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe our guys want to be able to sneak up on people.

[BMoreX]

Not good

[xuinmd]

no inside presence at all

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Falling behind!

[GoMuskies]

no inside presence at all

Maybe Kempton can grad transfer to Xavier at the semester break.

[paulxu]

I always wanted to be considered like Duke.

That does not include losing to Lehigh.

[GoMuskies]

Our freshmen look kind of...freshmany.

[GoMuskies]

JP, Ed and Trevon are fantastic. Knew that coming in. Definitely going to need a lot more from other guys going forward.

No need to worry after one game, though. I don't think.

[xu82]

I'm at my son's in Nashville. Turns out he doesn't get this game. Have to wait forDVR tomorrow Even harder to not watch, I think.

[Emp]

JP, Ed and Trevon are fantastic. Knew that coming in. Definitely going to need a lot more from other guys going forward.

No need to worry after one game, though. I don't think.. Macura not so much. But post play a worry based on 35 min

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, Gaston and Jones haven't added a lot tonight. Kempton is real good, though.

[letskeepitreal]

Yeah we also have problem with depth. Can't wait for Myles and Gates to get back

[Xville]

Where are those guys now that acted like i was nuts when i said q played inferior competiton in high school and would not be ready? Hes going to take a year or two.

[GoMuskies]

Macura killing us right now. Man.

[GoMuskies]

Not exactly finishing strong. Lol

[mistabeecee41]

Embarrassing. Everybody.

[GoMuskies]

Had em the whole way.

[D-West & PO-Z]

had em the whole way.

this!

[Jesuit4Life]

Whew.

A lot to work on but thankfully those lessons don't come with a loss.

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[Xville]

We need gates back with a quickness...may be a bit overranked but hey its just the first game so we will see. A win is a win....1-0

[IVANHOE]

definitely going to need to figure out some sort of inside game. it wasn't a surprise, but after watching one game, that's gonna be a serious issue. watch tape and fix that defense!

[BMoreX]

Sumner needs to clean up the turnovers.

Win is a win but a lot to work on.

[X-ceptional]

25 and 11 from Tre. Think he'll have a few more double-doubles before the year is out.

[xumuskies08]

What month is it again?

[AviatorX]

Where are those guys now that acted like i was nuts when i said q played inferior competiton in high school and would not be ready? Hes going to take a year or two.

Yeah I think we've seen enough to make this call. Cmon.

[Xville]

Yeah I think we've seen enough to make this call. Cmon.

Its pretty easy to tell if a player is going to be ready or not his freshman year from very early on...the good ones like semaj, tre, dez etc are pretty easy to recognize. Its not rocket science

[bobbiemcgee]

Sumner needs to clean up the turnovers.

Win is a win but a lot to work on.

He only had 3. Otherwise a fabulous game. Too many holes in the D.

[xu82]

He only had 3. Otherwise a fabulous game. Too many holes in the D.

I ddn't see the game, but live stats had him with 6 TO's and 6 assists.

[bobbiemcgee]

I ddn't see the game, but live stats had him with 6 TO's and 6 assists.

Guess you're right. I was looking at the pf's lol

Still 24 pts. 1 blk 1 stl - Ed wasn't the problem

[xu82]

Guess you're right. I was looking at the pf's lol

Still 24 pts. 1 blk 1 stl - Ed wasn't the problem

Again, I didn't see it, but since we won I sure am looking forward to it when i get home. Would have been nice to have Gates and Myles back. Geez.

[X-Fan]

That was pretty rough.

Lots of rust, inexperience down low, frosh playing like frosh, and new lineup combos.

Ed was great 1st half, then almost invisible 2nd half. JP was explosive in both good & bad ways.

We really missed James & Jalen. Way more than I thought we would. Sean showed some flashes, Gaston looked slow, & Jones was ok.

All that said, there is a silver lining.

Lehigh looked pretty good. They have some skill both outside & inside. Yes they got buckets in the paint, but they also made some shots. X has to clean up sloppy play that prevented knockout blows. Also, X was without Gates & Myles. Myles would have been great to have especially down the stretch. Gates quickness, rebounding, size, & D will be nice to have back.

Glad to get the W, hope to see improvement soon.

[PM Thor]

We are playing with a short bench right now, and when 2 back court starters both get 2 fouls early on, too many new faces are out there to have much cohesiveness. This is the way it is in the early season. We were very rough in running offensive sets, and too many times relied on the stars to create shots. Our interior game needs serious development. I said it with Ferris State, and I say it now, we need Kaiser back and back quickly. He is a matchup nightmare for defenses, and is sorely missed. The end game play was awful.

But with all that said, LeHigh is picked to win their conference and Kempton is a great interior player, so winning against them is going to be a good win down the road.

Early games are like late season games. Win and advance.

[nasdadjr]

Not a negative but this team will start slow. Literally can't get any fouls cause there is zero bench depth. However, I think it will be a blessing in disguise. This team will take some early lumps, and may even drop out of top 25. The positive is that our Frosh are getting positive early and will be much more mature later in the season. When Gates and Myles come back this team will be a force. Just have to get Gates back and we will be fine.

[bjf123]

For some reason, I couldn't get Tapatalk to work on my iPhone at Cintas during the game. Soon as the game ended, it worked fine. Strange.


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[drudy23]

Perfect example of stats not telling the tale. Ed may have had 24 points, but wasn't very good in the 2nd half.

Careless, careless turnovers. He can't play like that. He is an athletic freak however, but has to learn to play with higher IQ.

[drudy23]

And the one thing I look for in the young guys is the JP Macura effect. The first time I saw JP play I knew I was going to love him because he had ZERO fear or hesitation. You could see the confidence in his very first game as a freshman.

I didn't see that tonight in our young guys. Just play basketball, young fellas.

[AviatorX]

X was atrocious against Miami last year in the opener.

[xu82]

On the bright side, we made our FT's...... and won.

[drudy23]

On the bright side, we made our FT's...... and won.

That's because Ed, Tre, and JP made them all (but one). We know they can make them.

[bobbiemcgee]

Perfect example of stats not telling the tale. Ed may have had 24 points, but wasn't very good in the 2nd half.

Careless, careless turnovers. He can't play like that. He is an athletic freak however, but has to learn to play with higher IQ.

He shot 57% and 8-9 ft's He made some bad decisions but so did everyone else.

[PM Thor]

And the one thing I look for in the young guys is the JP Macura effect. The first time I saw JP play I knew I was going to love him because he had ZERO fear or hesitation. You could see the confidence in his very first game as a freshman.

I didn't see that tonight in our young guys. Just play basketball, young fellas.

You are right, but JP had some just absolutely ridiculous turnovers tonight. Especially in the end game. He might have had the numbers, but he had a bad game.

[Strange Brew]

Lotta new chunks and some missing key ingredients . Stew needs a couple weeks to boil.

[sirthought]

It was a fun game to watch. Lehigh kept it interesting for a first game, which I was glad for.

We all knew front court would be a challenge, so no surprise there.

For where this team wants to be, JP must improve everything. His "go for it" attitude works when he's trying to score himself, but he's not so slick passing or working to get others open in a play. Tonight he was performing a role Davis would play for X, and JP just doesn't seem to play with that same sort of feel or leadership. He may get there pretty soon, but it is notable now. He did make some good plays, but he also sputtered a lot.

[X-Fan]

Perfect example of stats not telling the tale. Ed may have had 24 points, but wasn't very good in the 2nd half.

Careless, careless turnovers. He can't play like that. He is an athletic freak however, but has to learn to play with higher IQ.
I thought It was pretty ironic that Ed ended last season with an offensive charge, started this game with a charge, and then ended the game with a charge. Granted both game ending charges were mostly good acting, but he needs to do something about that leading arm.

And the one thing I look for in the young guys is the JP Macura effect. The first time I saw JP play I knew I was going to love him because he had ZERO fear or hesitation. You could see the confidence in his very first game as a freshman.

I didn't see that tonight in our young guys. Just play basketball, young fellas.
Q had a few good stretches, but otherwise nothing too significant to take away.

You are right, but JP had some just absolutely ridiculous turnovers tonight. Especially in the end game. He might have had the numbers, but he had a bad game.
He keyed an important stretch when X was down 1, but that TO at the end was really careless.

It was a fun game to watch. Lehigh kept it interesting for a first game, which I was glad for.

We all knew front court would be a challenge, so no surprise there.

For where this team wants to be, JP must improve everything. His "go for it" attitude works when he's trying to score himself, but he's not so slick passing or working to get others open in a play. Tonight he was performing a role Davis would play for X, and JP just doesn't seem to play with that same sort of feel or leadership. He may get there pretty soon, but it is notable now. He did make some good plays, but he also sputtered a lot.
Having Myles back will be huge. Allows both JP & Ed to play in roles they excel at.

[American X]

Strange to say for a guy who averaged 10.4 minutes last year as a freshman, but this team misses Kaiser Gates. This mix needs his intensity, defense, and spark. Also, Myles is very valuable in those close out the game situations.

Not a relaxing win to open the season on a Friday evening, but that was good scheduling against a challenging team. Lehigh and Kempton have tournament upset written all over them.

[X-band '01]

X was atrocious against Miami last year in the opener.

They were worse against Northern Kentucky last year. That's when Mack tore them a new one and came out inspired for the Advocare Invitational. That's why part of me wishes that the Buffalo game on Monday is another game that shows a lot of work needing to be done.

Give Lehigh credit - they would have been an NCAA Tournament team last year had it not been for Holy Cross pulling off a miracle in the Patriot League tournament last season.

[Masterofreality]

Lotta new chunks and some missing key ingredients . Stew needs a couple weeks to boil.

Yeah, and at least one more (and hopefully two) spicy ingredients- Kaiser Gates (and Myles Davis).

We really miss Kaiser...in multiple areas.

[XU 87]

X could have put this game away in the last 5 minutes. Instead, multiple turnovers and some bad defense, including the foul on Kemper up 6 with 20 seconds to go. No foul and the lead is still 4. Very sloppy last 5 minutes.

I give Lehigh some credit- they played well and have a good team.

[Muskie]

The post game presser was live on Periscope. Hopefully they keep that up.


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[markchal]

Agree that this team is much different with Myles and Gates (I imagine both might start). Obvious missteps and lack of focus at times, but on the whole, hard not to be impressed with Ed, Tre and JP. Definitely need MUCH more from Gaston and the frosh have to step up, or will be buried in the depth chart once we have our people back.

[bobbiemcgee]

Soooo 4 weeks from 10/20 is next Wednesday...wonder how long to get in bb shape.

[xu82]

Just got home and watching the DVR version. It's 14-2 and I'm pretty OK with it so far. Sadly, I know this does not continue...

[bobbiemcgee]

Just got home and watching the DVR version. It's 14-2 and I'm pretty OK with it so far. Sadly, I know this does not continue...
Don't re-arrange the Family Room like I do when Lehi takes the lead.....

[xu82]

Don't re-arrange the Family Room like I do when Lehi takes the lead.....

I didn't realize Trevon was on the bench so early with 2 fouls. He had a killer game despite this. I may go off and have my own live chat now that I can watch (but I have no commercials, so there's that).

[xuinmd]

Were these not among the worst play by play and color guys

[AviatorX]

Its pretty easy to tell if a player is going to be ready or not his freshman year from very early on...the good ones like semaj, tre, dez etc are pretty easy to recognize. Its not rocket science

I think we need to circle back on this one in a few weeks. All those guys were also in MUCH bigger roles as freshman. Semaj watched practice this summer and was impressed with Goodin.

I mean, literally last year Kaiser eased into his role and was a pretty valuable freshman by the end of the season.

[paulxu]

Shannon's recap:

http://www.wcpo.com/sports/college-sports/xavier-university-sports/xavier-university-basketball-wins-by-the-skin-of-its-teeth-in-season-opener

[XUMIOH12]

the turnovers hurt big, but those were the type that should go away as the season goes on. It is nice to have 3 guys who can really score when needed though. Not the most impressive game, but a win is a win.

[xukeith]

Turnovers hurt!
Key to this season is defense, interior contribution every night from X's center and PF.

no injuries.

[xuwin]

I didn't realize Trevon was on the bench so early with 2 fouls. He had a killer game despite this. I may go off and have my own live chat now that I can watch (but I have no commercials, so there's that).

He still played 37 minutes. He wasn't out long. Sumner played 40. I hope that isn't necessary for long.