Mandate on Immigration

[Snipe]

More than anything this election was about fixing our broken immigration system. Fortunately for Trump, he wont have to pass any laws in Congress to do it. He will take an oath to uphold the constitution and enforce this country's laws. And he intends to do just that. How refreshing it will be to live in a land of law and order.

If people don't like our countries laws, don't blame President Donald J Trump. He didn't write any of the laws. And if you don't like the laws you should work to get them changed. I don't mind if they change the law, I would like to see it enforced. Big fan of the rule of law.

Grand Bargain

It was expected after Hillary won the election and Republicans would confirm Merrick Garland to the Supreme Court. He doesn't seem like a bad guy and they would expect something much worse from Hillary Clinton. Stick with the devil you know and all.

But what about Democrats and a Grand Bargain on Immigration? Now that they know Trump is coming and we have a new sheriff in town, they could scramble right now to work with Congress to pass sensible (and highly Republican favorable) immigration reform. That way Obama can save at least some of the people he offered executive amnesty too. Otherwise all he will have done is coaxed people "out of the shadows" and taken their names and addresses. They have already admitted they are here illegally. That list is an obviously starting point for rounding up known law breakers. How convenient.

So why don't Obama and the Democrats act now. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Some immigrants pay more in taxes than they take in public subsidies. We are 20 trillion in debt, so I wouldn't mind keeping a few million of the high contributing immigrants. But many are on public subsidies. 85% of all first generation Mexican immigrants are on at least one welfare program according to the Center for Immigration studies. I don't want any public charges.

I would also like to retroactively repeal birthright citizenship. After we fill the Supreme Court, I think we can do this just by interpreting the Amendment the way the framers intended. You won't even have to pass another law if you do it right.

If people want to fight deportation, hold the law breakers in jail until their court date. It could take years, so we will have to set up some tent cities along the borders. That way while they are waiting they can get to work on that new bright and shiny wall. We are going to Build a Wall, and they are going to be the ones building it! He told ya he would make them pay for it!

I would like to cease all further lottery and low skill immigration, and put an end to chain migration. The number one legal immigrant category is family reunification. I have no problem with family reunification, they can do that where they came from. Don't forget to write!

I think that immigration should be halted in general just for purposes of national security. If people don't like us screening Muslim terrorists I guess I could compromise by stopping all immigration all together. It is time we put Americans first anyway.

No federal subsidy should go to any immigrant family, legal or illegal. And if immigrants can't pay for their healthcare they need to be repatriated. The 1965 law specifically spoke against importing public charges. With 20 trillion in debt, we can't afford them on the dole.

What would a Democratic compromise on immigration look like if Obama and the current congress wanted to change the law before the posse comes to town? It is an interesting question. Up until now, the Democratic plan has been: nobody gets deported and everyone gets a path to citizenship. The new plan would still involve millions of people leaving, but they could also save millions of immigrants and put them on the righteous path.

It is an exciting time to be alive!

May God Bless President Donald J Trump
And May God Bless The United States of America

[bobbiemcgee]

I suspect he'll just grab 'em all by the p***y and lead them to the border. Should be fun for their American kids to watch.

[Snipe]

Their kids are going with them under my plan. I want to keep families together. Most countries don't have birthright citizenship, and we shouldn't either. Anchor babies are a bad idea. We pay a lot for them. We need that money to rebuild the inner cities and give Black Americans a better future.

[Snipe]

Althouse (http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/11/trump-didnt-build-that.html):



"Trump didn't build that."


"Democrats have been arguing for years that President Obama should have the power to get a lot done on his own, without going through Congress: executive orders, going to war, etc. If President Trump exercises similarly broad powers, remember: Trump didn't build that!"

I used to ask liberals if they want George Bush in charge of their health care. They all said no. Now I give you Donald J Trump. I hear he is an amateur gynecologist.

[GoMuskies]

I suspect he'll just grab 'em all by the p***y

Not if they're over 35. He's already expressed how gross that is.

[SemajParlor]

The one thing I will say about Xavier Hoops is that it certainly softened the blow of Trump winning. Thank God for this site - or I would've been completely blind sided and terrified that half of this country thinks like this.

[Snipe]

Your welcome. It is important after an election to come together.

[STL_XUfan]

It could take years, so we will have to set up some tent cities along the borders. That way while they are waiting they can get to work on that new bright and shiny wall. We are going to Build a Wall, and they are going to be the ones building it! He told ya he would make them pay for it!



I was really expecting we would get at least 2 days into the President Elect's reign before we started talking about interment camps.

[Muskie]

We will now see how much was campaign rhetoric (to get elected) versus actual follow through. I for one will be shocked if there is a brick laid for this wall I kept hearing about.

[LadyMuskie]

He didn't get a mandate . He didn't win the popular vote therefore he doesn't have a mandate on immigration or anything else. He may, however, have a man date with someone. I have no idea about that. He sure seems to want everyone to know how straight he is, so who knows.

Also, it would be fabulous if we could all acknowledge the difference between your and you're. I know being uneducated is "cool" now, but we're all college grads here.

[X-band '01]

Sure, many of us are Xavier grads (or other college grads) on this board, but there was also a big repudiation by "uneducated" voters against the establishment last night. Trump actually did speak like a real politician during his victory speech last night, but who is he going to surround himself with in his cabinet? It's not a matter of being cool or uncool, but I would be upset as well when all you hear is how you "ought" to vote for the betterment of one group of rank-and-file elites.

As for immigration, I hope Trump doesn't try to be like Obama and just go by executive order when things don't go his way.

[Caf]

Your welcome. It is important after an election to come together.

lol

[GoMuskies]

He didn't get a mandate . He didn't win the popular vote

This is silly. Of course he has a mandate. He wasn't trying to win the popular vote. Why would he?

[X Factor]

He didn't get a mandate . He didn't win the popular vote therefore he doesn't have a mandate on immigration or anything else.

Because 2 out of 50 states (California and New York) voted for Hilary and are the 2 most populated states. Even deep blue Minnesota almost went for Trump last night. I think he has mandate.

[Caf]

Because 2 out of 50 states (California and New York) voted for Hilary and are the 2 of the most populated states. Even deep blue Minnesota almost went for Trump last night. I think he has mandate.

A lot of Republican Congressman and Senators have dissented Trump. If they continue that, then he won't have an effective mandate. Under normal circumstances though, he won one fair and square. Time will tell.

[X Factor]

I think President Trump is going to be different from candidate Trump. He had to get in the mud and sling crap to beat Hilary. The Clinton's are one of the most powerful political families this country has had ever had. They don't play nice and neither did Trump.

His victory speech was quite subdued and humble.

[LadyMuskie]

Because 2 out of 50 states (California and New York) voted for Hilary and are the 2 most populated states. Even deep blue Minnesota almost went for Trump last night. I think he has mandate.

Oh, okay. So those people don't count? What other states can we toss out? Florida seems to breed psychos. Let's lose them as well.
The majority of the constituents voted for someone else. By definition he doesn't have a mandate . He won the election, yes, but a mandate. . .no.

And lest we forget, Trump was a Democrat until 8 years ago. I'm unconcerned about a wall or internment camps.

[American X]

Mandates are gay.

[Strange Brew]

The one thing I will say about Xavier Hoops is that it certainly softened the blow of Trump winning. Thank God for this site - or I would've been completely blind sided and terrified that half of this country thinks like this.

It's understanding that makes it possible for people like us to tolerate a person like yourself.

[cutterX]

I'm trying to think like Trump and profit from this somehow. I already missed the uptick in stocks of privately held prison companies. Now I'm thinking of buying stocks of companies making concrete or barbed wire (the wall!). Or maybe conversion therapy clinics. Hell I might short homebuilder stocks, who's going to be left to build the freaking homes!

[SemajParlor]

It's understanding that makes it possible for people like us to tolerate a person like yourself.

:)

[ron meXico]

I'm trying to think like Trump and profit from this somehow. I already missed the uptick in stocks of privately held prison companies. Now I'm thinking of buying stocks of companies making concrete or barbed wire (the wall!). Or maybe conversion therapy clinics. Hell I might short homebuilder stocks, who's going to be left to build the freaking homes!

I know... I was so close to buying stock in the the doll company that makes the Monica Lewinsky humidor series. I was going to start buying commodities like uranium but the Russians beat me to it and I can't find the seller. Or how bout we go in on the ball and gag company tony wiener uses during his photo sessions on his laptop that Huma Werner then uses to email Hillary. I think that's the winner. Tell you what I did sell was my Planned Parenthood stock.

[Snipe]

He didn't get a mandate . He didn't win the popular vote therefore he doesn't have a mandate on immigration or anything else. He may, however, have a man date with someone. I have no idea about that. He sure seems to want everyone to know how straight he is, so who knows.




Trump is a fag! That is hilarious!

Trump did get 50% of the Citizens that were native born in the USA, so he has that going for him.

So lets say he has no mandate, just to humor you. I guess it doesn't matter.

He is still taking an oath to uphold the laws and constitution of the United States. We already have laws on the books for immigration, and we have well over 10 million people here against the law. He will not need an act of Congress to enforce the law, and he is duty bound to enforce it.

So lets change the law. I wouldn't mind changing the law before Trump gets in office and deports millions of people here illegally if we can keep the ones who contribute more than they take. I would like to keep the best of them.

The Democrats under Obama had the President and both houses of Congress, and they passed no immigration reform. The Democratic party line on immigration reform is basically nobody is going to have to leave, not even public charges. If it is 12 million or if it ends up being 17 million you all get to stay.

The Obama administration stance on illegal immigration is that once you are here five years we shouldn't mess with you. And he set it up as a rolling date. So it isn't like people here before a specific date are safe and everyone later can pound salt. It is just a rolling five years. If we catch you right now in this country illegally, we give you a court date. The courts are so swamped with the millions of illegals in the country that it takes two years to get a court date. Two years later, people just skip the court date. So if you are here for a year and they catch you, you already have three years off the clock. If they catch you in year four, you get another court date. By the time that court date comes up, you are eligible to stay here anyway by Obama decree.

That is the Democratic plan. Everyone gets to stay. If Conservatives would have proposed to split the difference a couple years ago, and keep 5 million of the best immigrants while deporting the rest, they would have said hell no. I don't think they have any other answer other than all of them should stay because this is a racist and bigoted country.

So Democrats did nothing for them when they had all the power, and it looks like they aren't going to do anything while they still have Obama in office. That is like playing some serious Russian Roulette with one of your political constituencies. How is that the right thing to do?

And if Democrats can't help change the law, the only option that Trump has is to enforce the existing law. I am sure we will have some riots and unrest. It would be better to get Obama behind enforcement and change the law, and it could be mitigated. Both parties have constituents who are working class and heavily affected by massive low skill, dirt poor third world immigration. It is an issue that has come to a head. It is a serious issue, and one that needs some adults in the room. The proper response is probably not "Donald Trump is a faggot" or "Trump is a mean poo poo head racist fascist Hitler lovin Klansman". We are talking about saving millions of people.

We are giving Donald Trump limited options. Basically his only option is to enforce the law. I can't see Democrats taking any concrete and active steps to do anything to help their friends. That is sad. With friends like those, who needs enemies.

[ron meXico]

It's no secret... They need the votes. It's obvious now they don't have enough people twisted in their ideology to beat the deplorables. So the only people they can sell on climate change, baby killin, money printin, veteran abusin, gun controllin, government media academia complexin is the poor illegal immigrant who can't speak American but can buy em off with entitlements and hand outs. They need them votin and big ears was so desperate he encouraged illegals to break the law to vote.

I am a deplorable and I'm proud of it!

[Snipe]

I watched the video where Obama was encouraging the illegals to vote. Disturbing but not surprising. Between illegals voting and pardoned felons they got to swing Virginia.

I have to say that population replacement is a great plan for democratic dominance. It is permanent and can't be reversed. It sucks for America, and in particular the American working class, but it is great for the Democratic party. And what else should really matter?

[paulxu]

My guess is the Dems were working on health care during that 2 year window. Who knows.
Maybe the minority party should adopt the majority party's approach to government, and go with the old Mitch McConnell "our goal is to stop each and everything this president tries to do." It worked for him, why not Schumer?

[X-band '01]

My guess is the Dems were working on health care during that 2 year window. Who knows.
Maybe the minority party should adopt the majority party's approach to government, and go with the old Mitch McConnell "our goal is to stop each and everything this president tries to do." It worked for him, why not Schumer?

That only applies when said majority party like the Democrats completely freezes the other out of any dialogue and negotiations for the first 2 years of Obama's term. But they'll happily take credit for reducing the budget deficit after the Republicans were able to get sequestration cuts to the budget (with the heavy price of shutting down the government for a couple of weeks).

If Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell try to freeze out the Democrats for the first 2 years of the Donald Trump era, they'll pay the same price down the road. Maybe not in 2018, but certainly 2020.

[Emp]

Nice Utube clip of my local public middle school students taunting Hispanic students with Build the Wall" chanting in the lunchroom.

If You're brown in Trump and Snipes America, get ready for the ethnic cleansing. It's here, whether you're a citizen, a legal immigrant, or not.

[BandAid]

He didn't get a mandate . He didn't win the popular vote therefore he doesn't have a mandate on immigration or anything else.

I would agree that Trump doesn't have a "mandate", but for a different reason. Trump didn't receive as many votes on Tuesday as Mitt Romney did four years ago. Hilary Clinton didn't even receive as many votes on Tuesday as Mitt Romney did four years ago. Neither candidate was as popular as Mitt Romney, let alone as extremely popular as President Obama. Both parties nominated lemons.

[boozehound]

I would agree that Trump doesn't have a "mandate", but for a different reason. Trump didn't receive as many votes on Tuesday as Mitt Romney did four years ago. Hilary Clinton didn't even receive as many votes on Tuesday as Mitt Romney did four years ago. Neither candidate was as popular as Mitt Romney, let alone as extremely popular as President Obama. Both parties nominated lemons.

I think this is an important point.

[GoMuskies]

Why is that an important point? He won. Whether it's 100% of the popular vote or 47%, he won. The powers of the presidency are the same.

[Caf]

Why is that an important point? He won. Whether it's 100% of the popular vote or 47%, he won. The powers of the presidency are the same.

Mandates aren't even real things. I think Paul Ryan mentioned it basically saying Congress should do whatever Trump says. Congress might certainly choose to, but is not "mandated".

[Muskie]

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