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throwbackmuskie
10-25-2016, 11:15 AM
So what happens to the enquirers X coverage ?


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Wheelhouse
10-25-2016, 11:19 AM
I can't imagine anything good comes from this in regard to Xavier coverage.

BMoreX
10-25-2016, 11:23 AM
So the best college basketball team in Cincinnati now doesn't have a beat writer.

Feel bad for Shannon, I did not realize she had been there for 15 years. Hope she finds a new job fast. I always enjoy her work.

X-band '01
10-25-2016, 11:25 AM
Why do I get a feeling that shills like Bill Koch and Paul Daugherty are still employed at the Enquirer?

It's a shame that Shannon's tenure came to an end - I'm sure another newspaper/media group is about to gain a talented writer.

xeus
10-25-2016, 11:25 AM
I hope ReturnOfTheMack is happy.

Juice
10-25-2016, 11:32 AM
He's probably right


Blackburn Review©®™ ‏@BlackburnReview 14m14 minutes ago
If only Shannon Russell pretended to be a victim of misogyny, she'd still be working today. Instead, she just did her job very well.

xuwin
10-25-2016, 11:35 AM
Is there a link to what the title of this thread even means?

Caf
10-25-2016, 11:36 AM
Just in time for the season to start! How bad is the Enquirer doing that they pay a beat reporter until right before the season starts?

Very sad news - they don't make reporters like Shannon anymore.

Caf
10-25-2016, 11:36 AM
Is there a link to what the title of this thread even means?

https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/790934152258478084

THRILLHOUSE
10-25-2016, 11:46 AM
Why do I get a feeling that shills like Bill Koch and Paul Daugherty are still employed at the Enquirer?



Koch was actually let go in 2014. And I kid you not, he is a writer for GoBearcats.com now.

X-band '01
10-25-2016, 11:57 AM
Just in time for the season to start! How bad is the Enquirer doing that they pay a beat reporter until right before the season starts?

Very sad news - they don't make reporters like Shannon anymore.

That decision may have been more of a Gannett thing than an Enquirer thing - all the Gannett newspapers (USA Today, Indy Star, Louisville Courier-Journal, etc.) have the same cookie-cutter look now.

THRILLHOUSE
10-25-2016, 12:00 PM
That decision may have been more of a Gannett thing than an Enquirer thing - all the Gannett newspapers (USA Today, Indy Star, Louisville Courier-Journal, etc.) have the same cookie-cutter look now.

yeah, in her tweet Shannon referred to them as "Gannett layoffs". Based on an internet search, looks like Gannett is laying off 2% of their workfoce - http://www.politico.com/media/story/2016/10/gannett-to-lay-off-two-percent-of-workforce-004823

throwbackmuskie
10-25-2016, 12:02 PM
Sorry for the title typo, thanks for the fix.


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Muskie
10-25-2016, 12:06 PM
I hope ReturnOfTheMack is happy.

He won't have Richard Nixon or Shannon to kick around anymore.

GuyFawkes38
10-25-2016, 12:28 PM
This sucks on a lot of different levels. ugh.

OH.X.MI
10-25-2016, 12:31 PM
Wonder how much they pay Paul Daugherty. Wish they'd layoff that dumbass and keep a reporter like Shannon who actually, well, reports. Very sad to hear this. The demise of local reporting in this country is a real shame.

Xaveriana
10-25-2016, 12:33 PM
Can't believe she was laid off after reading the ringing endorsements on this Board.

Lamont Sanford
10-25-2016, 12:35 PM
This totally sucks. The Cincy Enquirer blows.

XUMIOH12
10-25-2016, 12:56 PM
sucks for her and sucks that there will be less Xavier basketball coverage

pimpinthebox
10-25-2016, 01:15 PM
Let us not forget the fine work she did covering our great tennis tourney here in town. Shannon will be sorely missed on both fronts.

Hey, maybe since he's done so well for himself, perhaps this guy can come back to town and do some pro bono work covering the Muskies again...

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

atljar
10-25-2016, 01:24 PM
Never wish anyone losing their job. Sucks! Can we bring back Dustin Dow??

pimpinthebox
10-25-2016, 01:52 PM
Never wish anyone losing their job. Sucks! Can we bring back Dustin Dow??

See above.

paulxu
10-25-2016, 01:53 PM
If Koch can write for gobearcats, maybe Muskie can get Shannon to write for us.

MuskieXU
10-25-2016, 02:02 PM
Was wondering if she would consider covering Xavier in any capacity because I genuinely enjoy her work and will miss it.

ReturnOfTheMack
10-25-2016, 02:26 PM
I hope ReturnOfTheMack is happy.

What an asinine comment. Outside of politicians and Bob Huggins, I wouldn't wish losing a job on anyone. Regardless of my own personal opinion on the caliber of her reporting, I genuinely sympathize with Shannon and hope she lands on her feet soon.

X-man
10-25-2016, 02:26 PM
This totally sucks. The Cincy Enquirer blows.

I will be canceling my Enquirer subscription if they don't pony up and hire a XU sports reporter.

Miller'sTale
10-25-2016, 02:29 PM
Dustin Dow!!!!

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

pimpinthebox
10-25-2016, 02:31 PM
Dustin Dow!!!!

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

Are my posts invisible or are people just not paying attention?

Muskie
10-25-2016, 02:40 PM
Are my posts invisible or are people just not paying attention?

I wonder how many remember Dustin? We're getting older Pimp.

sirthought
10-25-2016, 02:55 PM
And before Dustin Dow was Josh Katzowitz, who I thought was funny as hell. Good reporters.

94GRAD
10-25-2016, 03:00 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Dustin Dow back on the beat!

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

muskienick
10-25-2016, 03:01 PM
Was wondering if she would consider covering Xavier in any capacity because I genuinely enjoy her work and will miss it.

I cannot imagine there is any media outlet anywhere that would carry a writer to focus on Xavier Basketball now that Gannet has cut ties with its only one. I really liked Shannon's coverage of the Muskies. After Dustin left, she didn't miss a beat!

GoMuskies
10-25-2016, 03:01 PM
Are my posts invisible or are people just not paying attention?

I think you're getting the silent treatment since you don't come around often enough anymore.

On Dow, I feel like I'm his mentor since he once sought me out (I guess through LinkedIn since I was a Xavier alum practicing in Boston) to have lunch when he was in law school 7 years ago. As his mentor, I'm advising him to keep his day job and stay far, far away from print journalism.

GoMuskies
10-25-2016, 03:02 PM
I wouldn't mind getting Dustin Dow back on the beat!

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

Brilliant idea. I can't believe no one thought of it before you did.

THRILLHOUSE
10-25-2016, 03:04 PM
And before Dustin Dow was Josh Katzowitz, who I thought was funny as hell. Good reporters.

Katzowitz and Dow were actually both on the X beat at the same time. (Katzowitz was with the Cincinnati Post)

I wonder what ever happened to Dow. I hear he might be a lawyer now?

atljar
10-25-2016, 03:48 PM
Wow, I missed the link. Great minds think alike!

X-band '01
10-25-2016, 04:07 PM
I wonder how many remember Dustin? We're getting older Pimp.

Who could forget Dustin Dow's press-row wardrobe? (Besides DC Muskie)

And where the hell has DC Muskie gone?

paulxu
10-25-2016, 05:24 PM
I'd like Q to weigh in on this.

mid major
10-25-2016, 05:48 PM
And before Dustin Dow was Josh Katzowitz, who I thought was funny as hell. Good reporters.

And don't forget Michael Perry. Wow, we are getting old. I remember when Dustin Dow left and I didn't think he'd be replaced.

xu82
10-25-2016, 05:53 PM
That's a shame about Shannon, as I'd hate that for anyone. It's a little like working in a slide rule factory though, so it's not shocking to see cuts.

nuts4xu
10-25-2016, 06:05 PM
Bring back Rory Glynn and Todd Jones!! Now those were some good writers!

D-West & PO-Z
10-25-2016, 06:20 PM
Anyone remember Dustin Dow??

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

Maybe we can get him back!

bigdiggins
10-25-2016, 07:20 PM
If Dustin Dow was Beetlejuice we'd have a problem on our hands with all the mentions in this thread.

Smooth
10-25-2016, 07:37 PM
I think they should bring back Shannon Russell. She could report circles around Dustin Dow. That makes no sense.

PM Thor
10-25-2016, 07:51 PM
I am submitting for credentials for every Xavier event from here on out, Hell, why not? I'll report everything I read on Twitter and the whatnot. I'll be better than anything the Enquirer puts out from here on out. Who cares if I live 600 miles away?

Muskie
10-25-2016, 08:36 PM
I am submitting for credentials for every Xavier event from here on out, Hell, why not? I'll report everything I read on Twitter and the whatnot. I'll be better than anything the Enquirer puts out from here on out. Who cares if I live 600 miles away?

Get in line pal. We've been denied multiple times.


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PM Thor
10-25-2016, 08:53 PM
Get in line pal. We've been denied multiple times.


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Hey, here is your opportunity though. Maybe there is a silver lining in this...still sucks though.

Muskie
10-25-2016, 09:13 PM
Hey, here is your opportunity though. Maybe there is a silver lining in this...still sucks though.

If I get them you can sit down there with me for a game.


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PM Thor
10-25-2016, 09:29 PM
If I get them you can sit down there with me for a game.


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You may regret this....

mid major
10-25-2016, 10:11 PM
I'm not sure about this but I'll go on record and say that Pimp has totally been ignored. And for the record Pimp was the first to bring up Dustin Dow.

Muskie
10-25-2016, 10:23 PM
You may regret this....

I may. But I'll be shocked if I get them.


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nasdadjr
10-25-2016, 10:33 PM
Why do I get a feeling that shills like Bill Koch and Paul Daugherty are still employed at the Enquirer?

It's a shame that Shannon's tenure came to an end - I'm sure another newspaper/media group is about to gain a talented writer.

This is probably the best thing to happen to her. Now she can go work for someone else besides that rag of a paper

ballyhoohoo
10-25-2016, 10:59 PM
Hey, here is your opportunity though. Maybe there is a silver lining in this...still sucks though.


If I get them you can sit down there with me for a game.


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Do they offer valet parking for Thor's bike?


Does anyone now what Dustin Dow is up to? I heard he can jump off one foot.

Olsingledigit
10-25-2016, 11:09 PM
That decision may have been more of a Gannett thing than an Enquirer thing - all the Gannett newspapers (USA Today, Indy Star, Louisville Courier-Journal, etc.) have the same cookie-cutter look now.
You are spot on. The Indy Star is but a shadow of its former self. I doubt the Enquirer will assign anyone with the time Shannon had available to cover X.

Nocalmuskie
10-26-2016, 12:24 AM
Here is the guy to email at the Enquirer to demand they cover the Xavier beat. Xavier Nation, rise up!

pbhatia@enquirer.com

http://www.cincinnati.com/staff/43517/peter-bhatia/

XfansinKy
10-26-2016, 06:38 AM
Here is the guy to email at the Enquirer to demand they cover the Xavier beat. Xavier Nation, rise up!

pbhatia@enquirer.com

http://www.cincinnati.com/staff/43517/peter-bhatia/

Done

murray87
10-26-2016, 09:41 AM
The Enquirer is just a shell of itself these days. Cancelled our subscription a couple years ago and haven't missed it. And I was always a big fan of local papers but the times have changed. Best of luck to Shannon.

pimpinthebox
10-26-2016, 10:13 AM
I wouldn't mind getting Dustin Dow back on the beat!

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow


Anyone remember Dustin Dow??

https://www.bakerlaw.com/dustinmdow

Maybe we can get him back!

Oh, now I see what 94GRAD & D-West & PO-Z are doing. Funny funny stuff, guys. It's no wonder I'm seldom on this board. (And thanks for having my back, MID MAJOR.)


I think you're getting the silent treatment since you don't come around often enough anymore.

GO, I can assure you that my absence is in no way a negative reflective of my dedication and love for all things Xavier. Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm gonna go ahead and take your comment as a compliment. And who knows, maybe it will nudge me to come around more often.

Blue Blooded-05
10-26-2016, 10:42 AM
Banners on the Parkway should pick her up

drudy23
10-26-2016, 10:44 AM
Are they really planning on no coverage for Xavier? Can that be possible for a top 10 team?

paulxu
10-26-2016, 10:50 AM
I used the link provided above to email the guy at the Enquirer.

I wrote: Who will cover the nationally ranked Xavier Musketeers now that Shannon Russell has been let go?

His answer: We will cover Xavier men’s basketball.

Not particularly enlightening. I've asked for the name of a particular person. No response yet.

THRILLHOUSE
10-26-2016, 11:08 AM
Are they really planning on no coverage for Xavier? Can that be possible for a top 10 team?

Well they have 2 reporters assigned to the Reds beat and 2 reporters for the Bengals. Wouldn't be surprised if they have one of the Reds reporters cover X during the non-conference schedule since not much to report on Reds wise until the Winter meetings. Then during Big East play one of the Bengals reporters can cover X since their season will be over.

(I have no actual info, just guessing what they will do.)

X-man
10-26-2016, 11:10 AM
I used the link provided above to email the guy at the Enquirer.

I wrote: Who will cover the nationally ranked Xavier Musketeers now that Shannon Russell has been let go?

His answer: We will cover Xavier men’s basketball.

Not particularly enlightening. I've asked for the name of a particular person. No response yet.
That was his answer to my e-mail as well. I agree; that answer is NOT enlightening. I intend to respond to his e-mail by telling him that unless someone is actually assigned to cover XU athletics, like they have for UC, I will be dropping my subscription of 30+ years.

birdman71
10-26-2016, 11:15 AM
That was his answer to my e-mail as well. I agree; that answer is NOT enlightening. I intend to respond to his e-mail by telling him that unless someone is actually assigned to cover XU athletics, like they have for UC, I will be dropping my subscription of 30+ years.

Maybe they will just refer all their readers to this Board. Dana's would get some great free advertising.

BMoreX
10-26-2016, 11:38 AM
I used the link provided above to email the guy at the Enquirer.

I wrote: Who will cover the nationally ranked Xavier Musketeers now that Shannon Russell has been let go?

His answer: We will cover Xavier men’s basketball.

Not particularly enlightening. I've asked for the name of a particular person. No response yet.

lol

I wrote: Will the Cincinnati Enquirer employ a beat writer this season for what is arguably a top 10 team and what is currently the best college basketball program in the city?

He responded: Yes.

sirthought
10-26-2016, 11:54 AM
That was his answer to my e-mail as well. I agree; that answer is NOT enlightening. I intend to respond to his e-mail by telling him that unless someone is actually assigned to cover XU athletics, like they have for UC, I will be dropping my subscription of 30+ years.

My guess is the person you are communicating with had a really bad day yesterday and isn't enjoying this one bit, especially since it is not in their control. Making threats like this isn't going to help anyone's situation. Besides, there would likely not be a layoff for the beat reporter if more people did subscribe.

paulxu
10-26-2016, 12:08 PM
Nice, along with Lunardi and Dana O'Neil.


Thanks, Coach. Love the #Xavier beat and will miss It much.

Shannon Russell added,


Chris Mack @CoachChrisMack
Thank you to @slrussell for her coverage of Xavier Basketball for many years. Going to miss you on the beat. All the best!!

Masterofreality
10-26-2016, 02:45 PM
Bring back Rory Glynn and Todd Jones!! Now those were some good writers!

Let's bring back a REAL newspaper man in Bob Queenan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Xville
10-26-2016, 02:53 PM
Hate to see anyone lose their job, but newspaper is dead and has been for years now...so really who cares if they have a Xavier beat reporter or not? If this were the 80s or before, it may make a difference, but in today's world, it doesn't move the needle.

X-band '01
10-26-2016, 02:58 PM
Hate to see anyone lose their job, but newspaper is dead and has been for years now...so really who cares if they have a Xavier beat reporter or not? If this were the 80s or before, it may make a difference, but in today's world, it doesn't move the needle.

Even if print journalism is dying, don't forget the digital portion of the Enquirer and Cincinnati.com. It's not like people don't read the digital content - whether you subscribe and click on numerous articles or just go for the limited number per month without going to the paywall.

atljar
10-26-2016, 03:08 PM
Even if print journalism is dying, don't forget the digital portion of the Enquirer and Cincinnati.com. It's not like people don't read the digital content - whether you subscribe and click on numerous articles or just go for the limited number per month without going to the paywall.

If you use incognito mode in your browser, you never hit the article limit. Not that I would know or anything.

ReturnOfTheMack
10-26-2016, 03:17 PM
If you use incognito mode in your browser, you never hit the article limit. Not that I would know or anything.

Or once you've hit the article limit, simply delete your cookies and browser history and the limit resets.

X-band '01
10-26-2016, 03:34 PM
If you use incognito mode in your browser, you never hit the article limit. Not that I would know or anything.


Or once you've hit the article limit, simply delete your cookies and browser history and the limit resets.

What you're saying is true for the Enquirer and just about every Gannett newspaper. That's also why more tech-savvy newspapers like the Wall Street Journal have moved on to an exclusive paywall for their content.

Wheelhouse
10-26-2016, 03:51 PM
It sounds like I'm in the minority but I thought Dustin Dow was terrible. I enjoyed Shannon's work.

ammtd34
10-26-2016, 04:00 PM
I feel bad for Shannon and followed her religiously for years. I think she did a really good job. To be honest, though, I didn't read much Enquirer content after joining Scout.

X-man
10-26-2016, 04:13 PM
My guess is the person you are communicating with had a really bad day yesterday and isn't enjoying this one bit, especially since it is not in their control. Making threats like this isn't going to help anyone's situation. Besides, there would likely not be a layoff for the beat reporter if more people did subscribe.

It is not an idle threat. I really will drop my subscription if XU is not covered well by the Enquirer.

X-ceptional
10-26-2016, 04:24 PM
It sounds like I'm in the minority but I thought Dustin Dow was terrible. I enjoyed Shannon's work.

Xavier coverage is like pizza--even if it's terrible, I'm still going to want more.


I guess you're in luck though because, while no one has mentioned it yet in this thread, Dow is an attorney these days-- practices bird law, mostly.

X-ceptional
10-26-2016, 04:31 PM
Just thought about it, and didn't want my only post in a thread about Shannon losing her job to be a joke. It has to be an extra kick in the gut when you are let go in a position like this where everyone is going to know your business. I thought she had some good articles and enjoyed her work... nice to see the supportive posts from Coach and even from those jabronis at the "worldwide leader." In any event, here's to her good luck in the future.

SemajParlor
10-26-2016, 05:27 PM
Shannon was great.

xukeith
10-26-2016, 06:43 PM
Cincinnati Post had Todd Jones in early 90's. He was pretty good. Just hire some college writer as an intern. Pay him/her $300 per X article.

OH.X.MI
10-26-2016, 10:44 PM
It is not an idle threat. I really will drop my subscription if XU is not covered well by the Enquirer.

I think what Sirthought is saying is that anyone you email at the Enquirer wasn't part of, or has any control over, this situation. It's the national parent company, Gannett.

All news used to be local. Now it's hard to find reliable local reporting, sports or otherwise. The Enquirer is bad paper. But that reflects its readership. Few seriously care about local news. Which is a shame since that's what impacts our daily lives.


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sirthought
10-27-2016, 07:07 AM
Hate to see anyone lose their job, but newspaper is dead and has been for years now...so really who cares if they have a Xavier beat reporter or not? If this were the 80s or before, it may make a difference, but in today's world, it doesn't move the needle.

This is naive. ALL broadcast and digital outlets work by starting off reading the reports from a newspaper. They don't have the staff to research, report and cover things the way newspapers do, or at least use to. There will still be the Associated Press. And Xavier has it good with such a robust broadcast schedule. But no matter what subject is being covered, no newspaper coverage is bad for all reporting on these subjects.

Overall the fact that these reporters keep getting thinned out isn't a sign that newspapers are dead, it's that corporations who tried to over-commoditize journalism just made bad decisions. If the content is there, people still subscribe to it. The content is lost when they keep firing people because their other bad investments didn't allow them to maintain their core business.

Caf
10-27-2016, 09:09 AM
This is naive. ALL broadcast and digital outlets work by starting off reading the reports from a newspaper. They don't have the staff to research, report and cover things the way newspapers do, or at least use to. There will still be the Associated Press. And Xavier has it good with such a robust broadcast schedule. But no matter what subject is being covered, no newspaper coverage is bad for all reporting on these subjects.

Overall the fact that these reporters keep getting thinned out isn't a sign that newspapers are dead, it's that corporations who tried to over-commoditize journalism just made bad decisions. If the content is there, people still subscribe to it. The content is lost when they keep firing people because their other bad investments didn't allow them to maintain their core business.

Not to mention bad for literally everybody. Good luck keeping tabs on local governments without reporters there.

David Simon testifying about the future of Newspapers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llnbzq7b4Ww)

Xville
10-27-2016, 09:13 AM
This is naive. ALL broadcast and digital outlets work by starting off reading the reports from a newspaper. They don't have the staff to research, report and cover things the way newspapers do, or at least use to. There will still be the Associated Press. And Xavier has it good with such a robust broadcast schedule. But no matter what subject is being covered, no newspaper coverage is bad for all reporting on these subjects.

Overall the fact that these reporters keep getting thinned out isn't a sign that newspapers are dead, it's that corporations who tried to over-commoditize journalism just made bad decisions. If the content is there, people still subscribe to it. The content is lost when they keep firing people because their other bad investments didn't allow them to maintain their core business.

This is baloney. Digital outlets especially have large research departments, reporters etc. Newspapers barely exist anymore....yes their digital content is there, but even so, they are still struggling mightily because they thought people were always going to subscribe to an antiquated newssource. The reason they floundered and continue to do so, is because like Blockbuster, they didn't see the writing on the wall, and when they did, it was too late. There are so many different outlets now that can and will report on Xavier Athletics locally and nationally...would it be nice to have a Xavier beat reporter at the Enquirer? Sure...is it a necessity for the growth or the branding of the program anymore? My opinion is absolutely not.

Xville
10-27-2016, 09:22 AM
Not to mention bad for literally everybody. Good luck keeping tabs on local governments without reporters there.

David Simon testifying about the future of Newspapers (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Llnbzq7b4Ww)

For local government, this may be an issue, but I am talking about Xavier basketball and I don't think having a beat reporter for that in this day and age is a necessity.

Anyways, here in Louisville, there are new "news outlets" springing up all over the place ready to take over what the newspaper has left behind. Some of them are really good, and some admittedly are terrible. The good ones are going to thrive and that is where local news is going to go.

X-man
10-27-2016, 09:28 AM
If today's "story" in the Enquirer about Maui in 20178 is any indication, Xavier will not have a dedicated sports writer on the Enquirer's staff. That piece was done by Dave Clark, "sports optimizer" at the Enquirer.

Caf
10-27-2016, 09:38 AM
For local government, this may be an issue, but I am talking about Xavier basketball and I don't think having a beat reporter for that in this day and age is a necessity.

Anyways, here in Louisville, there are new "news outlets" springing up all over the place ready to take over what the newspaper has left behind. Some of them are really good, and some admittedly are terrible. The good ones are going to thrive and that is where local news is going to go.

Yeah not disagreeing with you. Just commenting on the fall of print journalism.

I'm curious about the new outlets you mentioned. What are they? Most of what I've seen in the media front are just websites which regurgitate what traditional outlets do, hopefully the ones you reference aren't that.

Pay for your news, folks. If you're not paying, you're the product.

Xville
10-27-2016, 09:41 AM
Yeah not disagreeing with you. Just commenting on the fall of print journalism.

I'm curious about the new outlets you mentioned. What are they? Most of what I've seen in the media front are just websites which regurgitate what traditional outlets do, hopefully the ones you reference aren't that.

Pay for your news, folks. If you're not paying, you're the product.

Here is one that is actually becoming more and more legit http://insiderlouisville.com/ It has been in existence I think for maybe 7-8 years and their staff and building keeps expanding.

gladdenguy
10-27-2016, 10:58 AM
Reading over Shannon's tweets earlier this week and she garnered tons of respect from many people.
She will land on her feet. Sometimes I am too nervous to watch and her tweets would be the only source I could handle during games.
Sadly, the last one I will remember is that shot. Good luck Shannon Russell.

markchal
10-27-2016, 12:55 PM
This is baloney. Digital outlets especially have large research departments, reporters etc. Newspapers barely exist anymore....yes their digital content is there, but even so, they are still struggling mightily because they thought people were always going to subscribe to an antiquated newssource. The reason they floundered and continue to do so, is because like Blockbuster, they didn't see the writing on the wall, and when they did, it was too late. There are so many different outlets now that can and will report on Xavier Athletics locally and nationally...would it be nice to have a Xavier beat reporter at the Enquirer? Sure...is it a necessity for the growth or the branding of the program anymore? My opinion is absolutely not.

Having worked in media for several years, this could not be further from the truth. Literally all research starts by reading the stories from the team's beat writer. National columnists do that to stay informed, and TV people especially do that to stay informed. Radio and local TV anchors use newspapers extensively for sports news (other than gamers). There are also a lot of stories that a beat writer can break and then national people expound on, but no one at a major magazine or major cable network will assign that story without knowing that a story is there to dig deeper on.

Not having a beat writer isn't the end of the world, but it really does suck for the hardcore fans.

edit: to be fair, the part about newspapers changing too late is definitely true, I was mainly taking issue with the fact that they aren't important/other places have a ton of researchers. That part is not true.

Xville
10-27-2016, 01:11 PM
Having worked in media for several years, this could not be further from the truth. Literally all research starts by reading the stories from the team's beat writer. National columnists do that to stay informed, and TV people especially do that to stay informed. Radio and local TV anchors use newspapers extensively for sports news (other than gamers). There are also a lot of stories that a beat writer can break and then national people expound on, but no one at a major magazine or major cable network will assign that story without knowing that a story is there to dig deeper on.

Not having a beat writer isn't the end of the world, but it really does suck for the hardcore fans.

edit: to be fair, the part about newspapers changing too late is definitely true, I was mainly taking issue with the fact that they aren't important/other places have a ton of researchers. That part is not true.

It is true...maybe not in "traditional" media like broadcast tv and radio (I worked in radio for years and that is another decaying industry along with broadcast tv) but digital platforms do have a ton of researchers (at least the ones that are going to be legitimate and not fall by the wayside)...take a look at the link i posted to insider louisville..that is one of the newer platforms i am talking about. That and places like it are where media is headed because there is now a hole there that needs to be filled...since newspapers were clueless and are disappearing.

sirthought
10-27-2016, 02:10 PM
I defy anyone to find a nontraditional outlet that has the staff dedicated, or effective, as a newspaper organization. It's just not happening.

And if these newspapers continue to struggle as they have, good luck with them continuing to subscribe to a wire service like Associated Press. That could mean reporters like Joe Kay no longer are hired to cover Cincinnati sports.

You need someone with a defined beat to really get anything other than superficial awareness. Over time that means most information will be solely coming from internal communications departments, which is fine except that it's not objective.




And for those who don't know Dave Clark, he used to be an editor in the sports section, but has also headed up features writers and a variety of other beats. For features, he's really one of the better story tellers who's worked at the Enquirer in the past decade. But it looks like the lack of copy editing continues to plague them. There used to be folks whose sole role was to catch mistakes. But obviously they aren't needed any more!

THRILLHOUSE
10-31-2016, 01:27 PM
Shannon will be writing for WCPO now:

"‏@slrussell #Xavier fans: I. Am. Back. I am writing now for @WCPO and primarily covering @XavierMBB with some @GoBEARCATS and other college sports."

surfxu
10-31-2016, 01:43 PM
Shannon will be writing for WCPO now:

"‏@slrussell #Xavier fans: I. Am. Back. I am writing now for @WCPO and primarily covering @XavierMBB with some @GoBEARCATS and other college sports."

That's great news... I now have a new favorite news channel. Good for her, well deserved.

GreatWhiteNorth
10-31-2016, 03:50 PM
That's great, Shannon.

Olsingledigit
11-01-2016, 07:03 PM
It appears that one has to be an "Insider" on WCPO's site for $$$ In order to read Shannon's complete articles.😟 Even though the cost is not a lot, it is apparently also linked to the Washington Post to whom I refuse to give a nickel. Guess I will do without her reporting unless I deem it a necessity to have in the future.

SemajParlor
11-02-2016, 04:42 PM
Could be a nice way to show support for Shannon's return. https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/793915031754792960

Porkopolis
11-02-2016, 05:19 PM
WCPO has fairly good reporting and you get the Washington Post for free. Pretty unbeatable deal. Congrats to Shannon.

minnemuskie
11-03-2016, 10:49 PM
I cannot decide which is worse -- the Enquirer for letting Shannon go OR the pussies who do not get it! Gets some balls guys. Dropping the XU beat reporter is slap in our face and reminds me of the way we were treated in the past i.e. as second raters. That is what they (Enquirer and Ganett) think they can get away with. Put up or shut up. Let them know that you will SERIOUSLY responds to this insult by: 1) stopping your subscription, 2) not buying their papers at the store/newsstand, 3) strongly encouraging family and friends to do likewise and 4) really getting tough and letting the sponsors who buy ads in their papers know your displeasure with them.Ya sure ya betcha! That requires time and effort to say nada about fortitude to do it but are you really okay with being treated like crap AGAIN?

sirthought
11-04-2016, 05:01 AM
I guess Minnemuskie doesn't actually pickup a paper or go to Cincinnati.com.

There is already someone new covering the beat. Patrick Brennan

BMoreX
11-04-2016, 08:38 AM
I guess Minnemuskie doesn't actually pickup a paper or go to Cincinnati.com.

There is already someone new covering the beat. Patrick Brennan

Too much soccer/politics on that twitter timeline for me to give him a follow.

minnemuskie
11-05-2016, 12:24 AM
So you really are believing that Patrick will be following X as much as Shannon???????

X-man
11-05-2016, 07:19 AM
Saturday's Enquirer...not a word about Xavier's exhibition game today. By-by Enquirer rag...I am done with you.

sirthought
11-05-2016, 03:28 PM
So you really are believing that Patrick will be following X as much as Shannon??????? Well aren'y you a PUSSIE!

Come on now, you clever man. Like I said, you need to pick up the paper or go to the website.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2016/11/02/xavier-notes-secret-scrimmages-preseason-poll-hype/93194916/

markchal
11-17-2016, 11:24 AM
I subscribed to Shannon's thing, but I wish we knew how much she'd actually be writing about the team and how much (if at all) she'd be traveling with them. I really hope the Enquirer dedicates a beat writer to Xavier but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Whoever they stashed on the team for now is terrible. It doesn't look like he's even down there much as his stories reference quotes from other places and stuff and it seems like he knows nothing about the team. I'm very happy I no longer subscribe to that paper if this is what we can expect.

sirthought
11-17-2016, 05:05 PM
I subscribed to Shannon's thing, but I wish we knew how much she'd actually be writing about the team and how much (if at all) she'd be traveling with them. I really hope the Enquirer dedicates a beat writer to Xavier but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Whoever they stashed on the team for now is terrible. It doesn't look like he's even down there much as his stories reference quotes from other places and stuff and it seems like he knows nothing about the team. I'm very happy I no longer subscribe to that paper if this is what we can expect.

I actually have enjoyed his writing more than Shannon's. I never thought she wrote as well as Dustin or Josh.

Brennan's written stories with the same frequency that Shannon had. Typically a preview story, a report on the game, and then some misc. game notes or profile pieces. I believe he is now the Enquirer's full time beat writer for X and the tennis tournament — same as all the reporters before him. He's transitioning from the late night breaking news desk, so he has still written a couple other city pieces and wrote about FC Cincinnati a couple times.

THRILLHOUSE
11-17-2016, 05:12 PM
I subscribed to Shannon's thing, but I wish we knew how much she'd actually be writing about the team and how much (if at all) she'd be traveling with them. I really hope the Enquirer dedicates a beat writer to Xavier but I'm not sure it's gonna happen. Whoever they stashed on the team for now is terrible. It doesn't look like he's even down there much as his stories reference quotes from other places and stuff and it seems like he knows nothing about the team. I'm very happy I no longer subscribe to that paper if this is what we can expect.

Brennan has been at all of the press conferences so far and is with the team in Orlando. He got thrown to this beat pretty abruptly and basically right at the start of the season, so obviously he isn't too familiar with everyone yet, but I'm hoping that improves as the season goes on.

Doesn't seem like WCPO is going to have Shannon do much if any traveling. I could maybe see her being at a Butler game or any other road game that's a reasonable drive. I'd hope they'd at least have hear at the post season tournaments as well. But I suppose that remains to be seen.

sirthought
11-17-2016, 05:17 PM
There are a lot of NBA writers who watch the games on TV and view the live feed of press conferences. I don't know if NCAA games as much connectivity, but it's possible with technology to keep readers informed of what's happening with the team without going to 100% of the games in person.

X Matters
11-18-2016, 11:19 AM
Someone need to tell our new reporter that O'Mara is a Junior, not is not in his Senior year.

OTRMUSKIE
11-20-2016, 03:25 AM
I wish you well Shannon. With that said the business is tough and the way people cover sports has changed. The horse and buggy guy has been screwed for a century. Shannon will be fine but covering sports is almost obsolete.

XUMIOH12
11-20-2016, 07:48 AM
I wish you well Shannon. With that said the business is tough and the way people cover sports has changed. The horse and buggy guy has been screwed for a century. Shannon will be fine but covering sports is almost obsolete.

covering sports is almost obsolete?

OTRMUSKIE
11-20-2016, 11:19 PM
Look at the time I wrote that. I can't believe it was even that legible. I'm thinking I meant the way sports is covered is changing in the local newspaper world. I hope that's what I meant.

bjf123
11-21-2016, 12:28 PM
Look at the time I wrote that. I can't believe it was even that legible. I'm thinking I meant the way sports is covered is changing in the local newspaper world. I hope that's what I meant.

That's how I took it.


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xu82
11-21-2016, 02:30 PM
covering sports is almost obsolete?


Make that newspapers. Imagine waiting a whole day to get news on a big game like when I was a kid. Now, everything is at your finger tips in real time. Amazing.....

XUMIOH12
11-21-2016, 02:56 PM
Look at the time I wrote that. I can't believe it was even that legible. I'm thinking I meant the way sports is covered is changing in the local newspaper world. I hope that's what I meant.

lol thats kinda what i figured.

THRILLHOUSE
02-01-2018, 11:23 AM
If you want to keep up with Shannon, looks like you'll have to get an Athletic subscription:

https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/959094103026921472

XUFan09
02-01-2018, 11:38 AM
If you want to keep up with Shannon, looks like you'll have to get an Athletic subscription:

https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/959094103026921472I was actually planning on getting a subscription anyway. They have some really good people there, and the articles go in depth.

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Caf
02-01-2018, 11:43 AM
That's great for Shannon! I'm signing up for the Athletic right now.

I hate to put anyone down, but Pat Brennan has really made me miss her at the Enquirer.

X-band '01
02-01-2018, 11:45 AM
I was actually planning on getting a subscription anyway. They have some really good people there, and the articles go in depth.

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Is the subscription for the local Athletic website also good for the national one as well?

xu82
02-01-2018, 11:50 AM
If you want to keep up with Shannon, looks like you'll have to get an Athletic subscription:

https://twitter.com/slrussell/status/959094103026921472

Would that make you an athletic supporter?

XUFan09
02-01-2018, 12:19 PM
Is the subscription for the local Athletic website also good for the national one as well?I didn't know there was a distinction. Maybe? Probably? I dunno.

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THRILLHOUSE
02-01-2018, 12:31 PM
Is the subscription for the local Athletic website also good for the national one as well?

Looks like it should. But if you sign up through the Cincinnati site, you get a free t-shirt.

SemajParlor
02-01-2018, 12:41 PM
Good for her. She's good at her job.

Lamont Sanford
02-01-2018, 01:00 PM
I hate to put anyone down, but Pat Brennan has really made me miss her at the Enquirer.

CAF -

That is one thing I will agree with you on. Pat Brennan seems really thin-skinned when X people provide him "feedback" on his stories. Clearly he's a snowflake.

Jesuit4Life
02-01-2018, 01:01 PM
I subscribed a few months ago through the Cleveland site and have been pleased overall with the content. I did get the first year for 50% off ($29.99, no t-shirt) during a flash sale, so if you aren't ready to signup now there should be other opportunities.

Mobile app is great - no ads or autoplay videos. Only complaint is that push notifications don't seem to work for me.
Full site is easy to navigate, and yes if you subscribe to the Cincinnati site it does include all of the national sites (Fieldhouse for NCAAB) and all of the other local sites.

GetUp5
02-01-2018, 01:42 PM
CAF -

That is one thing I will agree with you on. Pat Brennan seems really thin-skinned when X people provide him "feedback" on his stories. Clearly he's a snowflake.

I understand limited budgets, but when you randomly put the soccer guy on the Xavier Basketball beat, it's going to suck. He's in a lose/lose situation.

What's up with this new wave of snowflake writers anyways? Zach Buchanan, C Trent, Pat Brennan... They're all so GD snarky when anyone says anything to them on social media. And they'll never write an honest, critical story of the team they've covering. Have followed and unfollowed the Reds guys so much. Hate not having the news, but generally hate all their content.

THRILLHOUSE
02-01-2018, 01:49 PM
I understand limited budgets, but when you randomly put the soccer guy on the Xavier Basketball beat, it's going to suck. He's in a lose/lose situation.



Yeah, I don't hate Pat like most people here do, but I think everyone would be happier if he was just on the FC Cincinnati beat full time. So I really just blame the Enquirer. Of course when they moved him to pull double duty, they probably didn't imagine the FCC beat would turn out to be this active during the winter months.

Juice
02-01-2018, 02:20 PM
I understand limited budgets, but when you randomly put the soccer guy on the Xavier Basketball beat, it's going to suck. He's in a lose/lose situation.

What's up with this new wave of snowflake writers anyways? Zach Buchanan, C Trent, Pat Brennan... They're all so GD snarky when anyone says anything to them on social media. And they'll never write an honest, critical story of the team they've covering. Have followed and unfollowed the Reds guys so much. Hate not having the news, but generally hate all their content.

C. Trent left for the Cincinnati - Athletic as well to cover the Reds. John Fay is back on the Reds' beat.

muskienick
02-01-2018, 03:17 PM
That's great for Shannon! I'm signing up for the Athletic right now.

I hate to put anyone down, but Pat Brennan has really made me miss her at the Enquirer.

I would like Pat Brennan better if he would not use soccer lingo in his articles about Muskies basketball.

SemajParlor
02-01-2018, 03:37 PM
What's up with this new wave of snowflake writers anyways? Zach Buchanan, C Trent, Pat Brennan... They're all so GD snarky when anyone says anything to them on social media. And they'll never write an honest, critical story of the team they've covering.


If Trae Young is the first of the Steph Curry generation, can we start calling these guys the first of the Bill Simmons ?

whopper
02-01-2018, 10:00 PM
I should subscribe to many papers I browse. I really worry about the future on news but with 2 X tuitions (with a nice discount and they love Cinci and X from Conn) I scrimp when I can.

xu82
02-01-2018, 10:18 PM
I should subscribe to many papers I browse. I really worry about the future on news but with 2 X tuitions (with a nice discount and they love Cinci and X from Conn) I scrimp when I can.

BLESS YOU!

There’s so much free info on line now, it’s hard for me to find something I feel I need to pay for. I paid for Scout for a while, but that may have expired. It was good, and I’m not really even sure. I did love it for the recruiting stuff.

We just pay for pre-school now (grandson, see the ‘82), and even THAT is far from cheap!

mid major
02-02-2018, 12:23 AM
Looks like the days of Michael Perry, Dustin Dow and Shannon are gone. Brennan seems like an okay guy buy I just feel like his heart is not in it and he doesn't seem to take criticism well. You can't let the fanbase get under your skin. I remember a few years ago when Shannon broke the story about Crawford and the cellphone deal in Kenwood mall. People jumped all over her ass. She was doing her job as a reporter and it was a story which was going to surface anyway. We get very little support from the papers locally so we need all the help we can get.

Fireball
02-02-2018, 08:08 AM
I subscribed yesterday, mainly for Shannon and Ctrent. I've always like Ctrent for the Reds beat...he is definitely snarky, but brings a bit or humor to the day-to-day Reds coverage that I like. Plus, he definitely goes in-depth on stuff. I did like Shannon as the beat reporter for the Enquirer, and so when they signed her up it was easy to get subscription. She was rough early on, as Pat Brennan is now, but she had really grown into the Xavier bet right about the time that the Enquirer laid her off.

I'll give it the year, and if I don't like it, I'll drop it. But I'd say it's promising right now.

danaandvictory
02-02-2018, 10:53 AM
I have been meaning to subscribe for a while and this pushed me over the top. In the limited opportunities I've had to be around the program I've found Shannon to be a really great person and resource, and hopefully this will be a good way for her to keep writing about basketball while pursuing other career opportunities. (No surprise that the UC chuds are already complaining about her "bias" as a former XU beat writer, as if she's a drooling moron fan like me, but whatever). The fact that they have a lot of good national CBB and MLB writers is icing on the cake.

I don't know why so many of the Enquirer scribes engage with trolls and jackasses online. Dehner and Owczarski deal with NFL fans, who are worse by any measure, and don't do it, so why the others insist on getting themselves into slapfights with eggs I don't get. Block, mute, or move on.