College Basketball Season Thread 2016-2017

[AviatorX]

What an incredible disappointment of a two-time opponent. I'm sure it's so much worse for their previously hopeful fans.

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Agreed. But did anyone really see any promise when X played them? That was a team with 2 solid players and a lot of dead weight.

[GoMuskies]

They looked okay in Orlando. The game in Cintas was kind of a joke.

[XUFan09]

They looked okay in Orlando. The game in Cintas was kind of a joke.
Yep. I was thinking a top 100 team that just faced a really good Xavier defense at its best in the second game.

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[X-band '01]

They looked okay in Orlando. The game in Cintas was kind of a joke.

That's also an indictment of an Oklahoma program that's going to be down this season.

[Lloyd Braun]

WVU -6 against Baylor tonight. What am I missing?

[XUFan09]

WVU -6 against Baylor tonight. What am I missing?

West Virginia is really good and playing on their homecourt.

[Lloyd Braun]

West Virginia is really good and playing on their homecourt.

Still seemed a couple points high to me... maybe not

[GoMuskies]

Still seemed a couple points high to me... maybe not

If it seems too high....it's probably too low.

[Lloyd Braun]

If it seems too high....it's probably too low.

I wish you told me this a very long time ago.

[Lloyd Braun]

WVU just stormed the court in celebration of my $10.50 victory.

[xubrew]

I don't know who the commentators are for the Florida State v Duke game, but one of them really likes saying "Ball Game."

[chico]

If it seems too high....it's probably too low.

Unless it's Xavier/Villanova and the o/u is 145. Then it probably was too high.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Baylor loses
Buffalo loses
Mizzou loses

[GoMuskies]

So in his two games back from suspension Grayson Allen has attempted to kick a BC player in the groin and shoved an FSU coach as he was falling out of bounds. Completely normal behavior.

This should end well.

[XUMIOH12]

So in his two games back from suspension Grayson Allen has attempted to kick a BC player in the groin and shoved an FSU coach as he was falling out of bounds. Completely normal behavior.

This should end well.

can't wait until he does something blatant again, just to see what happens

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wake lost
Lehigh won
NDSU won
UNI lost

[X-band '01]

I feel bad for whoever ends up in the First Four. Dayton is on a trajectory to play there thanks to their stumble at UMass last night.

[xubrew]

I feel bad for whoever ends up in the First Four. Dayton is on a trajectory to play there thanks to their stumble at UMass last night.

After the selections of Tulsa and Vandy last year, I've come to the conclusion that the committee feels the First Four is a complete joke, and as a result they intend to select a team every year that is also a complete joke.

[GoMuskies]

7-9 Texas just suspended their top scorer ahead of a three game stretch against Baylor, West Virginia and Kansas. Uh oh.

[paulxu]

Havoc.

[XUFan09]

Havoc.
I see what you did there...

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[THRILLHOUSE]

7-9 Texas just suspended their top scorer ahead of a three game stretch against Baylor, West Virginia and Kansas. Uh oh.

After last nights game vs TCU, Tevin Mack went off on another UT player, Kerwin Roach, after Roach completely botched his attempt to tie the game. Didn't seem like that was enough to warrant a suspension, but I wonder if it escalated in the locker room.

But yeah, Shaka has a mess on his hands. It's conceivable they could lose all of their remaining games. Before the Mack suspension, only game KenPom has them winning is vs. Oklahoma. They aren't going to fire Shaka after only his 2nd season, but that seat will be awfully warm next season.

[X-band '01]

And we wondered why Gregg Marshall said no to Texas.

[GoMuskies]

And we wondered why Gregg Marshall said no to Texas.

He didn't and would not have.

[bobbiemcgee]

Dayton and URI got blown out by UMass and LaSalle last couple nites. Juan Bidoso ? The a10 really sucks.

[Juice]

Welp, UC beat SMU. If the game was played today, they would beat our ass.

[AviatorX]

Welp, UC beat SMU. If the game was played today, they would beat our ass.

They are a good team. Looked really really good when they were running a bit the first 15 or so minutes of the first half. Mick hurts them sometimes by forcing things to slow down I think.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Utah laying the smackdown on #25 USC

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC wins
Clemson loses
Eastern Washington wins

Colorado plays at home against UCLA tonight

[Juice]

Utah laying the smackdown on #25 USC

USC is probably the most overrated team in basketball. I'm glad Utah is beating them but not horribly impressed.

[xavierj]

Welp, UC beat SMU. If the game was played today, they would beat our ass.

Why? Xavier will beat UC, they are just better. It's a players game.

[xavierj]

USC is probably the most overrated team in basketball. I'm glad Utah is beating them but not horribly impressed.

They did beat SMU...

[D-West & PO-Z]

#17 Purdue goes down at unranked Iowa.

[scoscox]

Big Ten is not very good right now

[Juice]

They did beat SMU...

Yeah which is nice but they have the 126th SOS.

[XUMIOH12]

Welp, UC beat SMU. If the game was played today, they would beat our ass.

why? they beat SMU at home by 2.

[Juice]

why? they beat SMU at home by 2.

SMU is 26th in Kenpom. UC also has a win over 23rd Iowa State. They almost beat Butler on the road, which obviously we get our chance soon enough. Houston is 36th.

Our best win is 30th Clemson then Wake at 43.

Their defense shows up every game. It's an elite defense. Their offense will always be what it is but it's improved over last year. X has regressed in both offense and defense from last year. We have a few games to right the ship, but again, if the game was to happen today or tomorrow, we would lose.

[XUMIOH12]

SMU is 26th in Kenpom. UC also has a win over 23rd Iowa State. They almost beat Butler on the road, which obviously we get our chance soon enough. Houston is 36th.

Our best win is 30th Clemson then Wake at 43.

Their defense shows up every game. It's an elite defense. Their offense will always be what it is but it's improved over last year. X has regressed in both offense and defense from last year. We have a few games to right the ship, but again, if the game was to happen today or tomorrow, we would lose.

you said they would "beat our ass" if we played today, which I would be really surprised by. Yes, Xavier isn't as good as last year, and yes, UC is better than last year, but it should be a close game. Just seems like an overreaction to say it would be a blowout, but maybe if we almost beat Butler on the road then we will be as good as them.

[XUMIOH12]

Yeah which is nice but they have the 126th SOS.

were you talking about SMU or USC?

[Juice]

were you talking about SMU or USC?

I was talking about USC but their SOS has now dropped to 136.

[XUMIOH12]

I was talking about USC but their SOS has now dropped to 136.

ah ok, i thought you were talking about SMU, who is at 128 now. It sounded like you were talking about SMU and made it sound like you were praising UC for beating them, but bashing USC for doing so lol.

[xubrew]

Late this afternoon/early evening, the WAC will most likely announce they are expanding, and they will most likely announce that California Baptist is the new team. They're actually one of the teams that could contend for the div2 championship this year, so that would be a hell of a curtain call.

Welcome Cal Baptist! Team number 352!!

[X-band '01]

Late this afternoon/early evening, the WAC will most likely announce they are expanding, and they will most likely announce that California Baptist is the new team. They're actually one of the teams that could contend for the div2 championship this year, so that would be a hell of a curtain call.

Welcome Cal Baptist! Team number 352!!

I thought they were #353 thanks to North Alabama joining the A-Sun as well.

[xubrew]

I thought they were #353 thanks to North Alabama joining the A-Sun as well.

I stand corrected. We've got 353 now.

[GoMuskies]

I noticed that Winthrop is 12-4 and probably has the best team in the Big South. Could this be the year Pat Kelsey coaches himself out of Rock Hill, SC?

[bleedXblue]

I noticed that Winthrop is 12-4 and probably has the best team in the Big South. Could this be the year Pat Kelsey coaches himself out of Rock Hill, SC?

That would be a great thing. If I were a MAC school or similar conference, I would be paying attention.

[xubrew]

I noticed that Winthrop is 12-4 and probably has the best team in the Big South. Could this be the year Pat Kelsey coaches himself out of Rock Hill, SC?

If they finish in first place they get to host the conference tournament. That will help. The Big South changed the format, which is a good thing.

[xubrew]

Pitt is clearly drunk and needs to go home.

[xubrew]

VCU just lost to Fordham. VCU = NIT

[GoMuskies]

And WV lost at home to Oklahoma. WTF?!?

[Juice]

Wake beat Miami

[XMuskieFTW]

Utah could make a bid for a tourney spot if they keep playing the way they have lately. They got back two players nine games ago who are averaging a combined 27 a game. Up to 41 in kenpom. Surprised they have a shot. Didn't think they'd be any good coming into the year.

Also, Northern Iowa barely won in double OT over loyola chicago. Now 7-11(2-5). Next year they lose their only really good player. Could be a road game against a 150+ team next year. Not a fan.

[xubrew]

Big night tonight for Pat Kelsey fans. Winthrop is playing UNC Asheville. Both are tied for first place in the Big South. Now, last year and the year before that really didn't mean anything because the conference tournament was at a predetermined site, but this year the first place team gets to host it. I really think that had Winthrop gotten to host it in the past years, which they should have been able to, they would have won it at least once. So, hopefully this year they can get it done.

[bleedXblue]

Big night tonight for Pat Kelsey fans. Winthrop is playing UNC Asheville. Both are tied for first place in the Big South. Now, last year and the year before that really didn't mean anything because the conference tournament was at a predetermined site, but this year the first place team gets to host it. I really think that had Winthrop gotten to host it in the past years, which they should have been able to, they would have won it at least once. So, hopefully this year they can get it done.

Pulling for Pat Kelsey. Good guy.

[Juice]

There was a brawl in a D2 basketball game that include chair shots

http://deadspin.com/conference-investigating-wild-wwe-style-brawl-in-dii-g-1791406888?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitte r&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow

[GoMuskies]

Clemson now tied for last in the ACC. Hope we're not hanging our hats on that one come Selection Sunday.

[muskiefan82]

Clemson's start is a lot like ours and should even out as they play the lower level teams. Hopefully. Maybe. Perhaps this is wishful thinking about what X needs to do.....

[xubrew]

Clemson now tied for last in the ACC. Hope we're not hanging our hats on that one come Selection Sunday.

We essentially beat a team that almost beat some pretty good teams. And....yeah.

[Juice]

Clemson's start is a lot like ours and should even out as they play the lower level teams. Hopefully. Maybe. Perhaps this is wishful thinking about what X needs to do.....

Clemson has lost two games it shouldn't have, which was to Oklahoma who just beat WVU this week in Morgantown. The other was against Georgia Tech who has some big wins, and I honestly don't understand them.

[XUMIOH12]

Texas A&M took a page from the Butler playbook at the end of the game. That clock situation looked all too familiar.

[Juice]

Here's a cool look inside Villanova's basketball facilities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50x7qM5F350

[xubrew]

Clemson is the best team in the country at almost winning.

[GoMuskies]

Clemson is the best team in the country at almost winning.

Making a win over the almost a quality win for us.

[xubrew]

TCU and SMU may both make the tournament.

The basement is clearly up in the attic

[xubrew]

NC State just won at Duke. NC State, as a program, does just enough for people to not be able to say that they suck.

[D-West & PO-Z]

NC State just won at Duke. NC State, as a program, does just enough for people to not be able to say that they suck.

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NC State's last six games now include a 51-point loss to UNC, a loss to BC, a 10-point home loss to Georgia Tech...and a win at Duke.

[Juice]

NC State just won at Duke. NC State, as a program, does just enough for people to not be able to say that they suck.

I think UD fans are slightly worried that if that job opens up Archie may scram.

[GoMuskies]

NC State just won at Duke. NC State, as a program, does just enough for people to not be able to say that they suck.

Capel is well into being Gaudeted.

[X-band '01]

Yep - NC State's last 2 wins at Cameron were when Coach K was not on the bench.

[xubrew]

I think UD fans are slightly worried that if that job opens up Archie may scram.

The fans probably are, but the list of candidates to replace him whenever he does leave will always be solid. UD's resources dwarf the rest of the conference, so it's easy to win there, which will mean a lot of good up and coming coaches will want that job. If you can't win at Dayton against the rest of the A10, then you just simply can't win anyplace. Case and point, Archie's predecessor.

Besides, I don't think it's all that likely that NC State will get rid of Gottfried. He does just enough to where you can't say that he sucks. NC State fans are a group that will always think that they're better than they actually are, and they won't get rid of him until they realize that they're not, and that may never occur.

Yunno, in that regard NC State fans are a lot like......ehh, I'll leave that one alone.

[xubrew]

UNC Wilmington is now up to #27 and #29 in the AP and Coaches Poll. They are probably about two weeks away from getting into the rankings. Once they do, everyone in the media will start championing them, and talking about how they are a dark horse, and how teams need to watch out for them in March. And, they will talk as if they have known about them all season long. Which, is good I guess, but it's still kind of funny to me that no one starts calling them their dark horse until they're really not a dark horse anymore.

Besides, I think there is another Under the Radar/Mid Major team that's better than they are, and they're barely getting votes in either poll, and that's Middle Tennessee. But, both teams are good and if the season ended today I think they'd both deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament even if they didn't manage to win their conference tournaments.

[GIMMFD]

Obviously biased here, but I'm pretty interested in this WVU/Kansas game tonight. Wonder which WVU team shows up, the one that murdered Baylor... or the one that lost to Texas Tech, Oklahoma, etc. Also, I'm still pissed that travel wasn't called on the Kansas guy against Kansas State, I think it would be refreshing for someone else to win the damn Big 12, though it doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon.


EDIT: Oh and fun fact, Bill Self has more Big 12 Championships than he has losses as Allen Fieldhouse.

[xubrew]

Obviously biased here, but I'm pretty interested in this WVU/Kansas game tonight. Wonder which WVU team shows up, the one that murdered Baylor... or the one that lost to Texas Tech, Oklahoma, etc. Also, I'm still pissed that travel wasn't called on the Kansas guy against Kansas State, I think it would be refreshing for someone else to win the damn Big 12, though it doesn't look like that's going to happen any time soon.


EDIT: Oh and fun fact, Bill Self has more Big 12 Championships than he has losses as Allen Fieldhouse.

Holy Crap! I never realized that.

If I had to pick a winner I'd pick West Virginia tonight. But, Kansas is fantastically good. They lost their first game in overtime, and have won all their games since.

[X-band '01]

Louisville is doing unspeakably horrific acts to Pitt tonight. AT Pitt.

[GIMMFD]

Holy Crap! I never realized that.

If I had to pick a winner I'd pick West Virginia tonight. But, Kansas is fantastically good. They lost their first game in overtime, and have won all their games since.

I'm not a betting man, but I wish I took -4 WVU, Vegas always knows... $25,000 more earned for Huggins to donate to charity. Kansas looked lost out there against WVU, they're a head-scratcher of a team. Great defense, but man that WVU offense is completely painful to watch.


Louisville is doing unspeakably horrific acts to Pitt tonight. AT Pitt.
WVU beating #2, and Pitt losing by like 40 is my wet dream.

[Juice]

Barring a loss to two crappy teams this week, Gonzaga will probably be ranked #1 next week. They're undefeated and the computer numbers like them.

Although I do think it would be insane to penalize a team like Kansas for losing a game on the road it's supposed to lose, especially if they can bounce back with a win against UK.

[X-band '01]

Brew is beside himself after Vandy snatched defeat from the jaws of victory against Arkansas.

[xubrew]

It's not that I like Vandy. I'm just perplexed as to why everyone seems to think Arkansas is so good. They're not. They didn't look good last night. They looked like an NIT team for 39 minutes and 45 seconds, and an unbelievably lucky team for 15 seconds. Yet, everyone will point to that as a notable road win. Against...Vandy.

Why couldn't have Vandy not pissed that away and just made it so we can leave Arkansas where they belong, and that's outside the bubble and outside of the discussion?

[GoMuskies]

Barring a loss to two crappy teams this week, Gonzaga will probably be ranked #1 next week. They're undefeated and the computer numbers like them.

KenPom says Gonzaga is the best, so I agree that they'll be #1 next week. And overall #1 in March, because they're not losing (SMC will be a test, but that's it).

[xubrew]

KenPom says Gonzaga is the best, so I agree that they'll be #1 next week. And overall #1 in March, because they're not losing (SMC will be a test, but that's it).

I'm not even sure how much of a test SMC will be.

It kinda sucks for Gonzaga that the WCC added Pacific. It took two OOC games away from them. Given the choice of seeing them play two tough OOC games or play Pacific twice, I'd choose the former.

[Juice]

I'm not even sure how much of a test SMC will be.

It kinda sucks for Gonzaga that the WCC added Pacific. It took two OOC games away from them. Given the choice of seeing them play two tough OOC games or play Pacific twice, I'd choose the former.

Shit, they don't even have to play anyone tough, just somebody better than #246 in KenPom. You could play someone in the 100-150 range and it's a huge improvement.

[X-band '01]

It's not that I like Vandy. I'm just perplexed as to why everyone seems to think Arkansas is so good. They're not. They didn't look good last night. They looked like an NIT team for 39 minutes and 45 seconds, and an unbelievably lucky team for 15 seconds. Yet, everyone will point to that as a notable road win. Against...Vandy.

Why couldn't have Vandy not pissed that away and just made it so we can leave Arkansas where they belong, and that's outside the bubble and outside of the discussion?

I think Arky does belong in the field.

What's really becoming worrisome is that Tulsa is quietly red-hot in the American right now. Could Frank Haith pull another NCAA Tournament appearance out of his ass?

[D-West & PO-Z]

11-8 (before game record) GT crushed #6 FSU tonight.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mizzou lost again.

0-7 in SEC. 5 wins on the season.

We avoided a ginormous disaster.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Minnesota coming crashin back down to Earth. 3-5 in B10 after loss to OSU tonight.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lehigh won
NDSU won
UNI won

[X-band '01]

11-8 (before game record) GT crushed #6 FSU tonight.

But wasn't Josh Pastner supposed to have the worst team in Power 5 history this season?

Clearly the coaching search committee that Bobinski put together knew something that we didn't.

[D-West & PO-Z]

USC beats UCLA for the 4th straight time.

[D-West & PO-Z]

But wasn't Josh Pastner supposed to have the worst team in Power 5 history this season?

Clearly the coaching search committee that Bobinski put together knew something that we didn't.

Is it bad I didnt know Josh Pastner was GT coach?

[Xville]

But wasn't Josh Pastner supposed to have the worst team in Power 5 history this season?

Clearly the coaching search committee that Bobinski put together knew something that we didn't.

Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while. Hes still not a good coach...need evidence? Look at his memphis stay.

[xubrew]

This is by far the best coaching job of Pastner's career. I think I've noticed something about him. His issue isn't that he doesn't know the game, or that he's unable to convey what he knows. I think most people would actually be surprised by how smart he is and by how much he does know. His issue certainly isn't recruiting. I think his issue is managing certain types of people. He currently has different types of people at Georgia Tech, and he's suddenly doing quite well.

[X-band '01]

Fight night in Birmingham tonight between Louisiana Tech and UAB. After a bench-clearing brawl in the 2nd half, La Tech had to play the final 6 minutes 4 on 5 against UAB. Incredibly, La Tech outscored UAB in that stretch but still lost the game by 9 points.

All the assistant coaches were ejected - only 4 La Tech players, 6 UAB players and the head coaches were still standing.

[paulxu]

Well this is fun
Syracuse leads #6 Florida State by 18 at the half.
And Rutger leads Wisky at the half.

[paulxu]

The ACC is at least interesting.
Tech knocks off #14 ND
Syracuse knocks off #6 Fla St
Miami is up 17 at the half over #9 UNC.

Now all we need is for Wake to get Duke tonight to make for a wacky Saturday.
I'm not wild about the idea of a "good loss." But all our losses except Colorado have at least been to ranked opponents.

[xubrew]

The ACC is at least interesting.
Tech knocks off #14 ND
Syracuse knocks off #6 Fla St
Miami is up 17 at the half over #9 UNC.

Now all we need is for Wake to get Duke tonight to make for a wacky Saturday.
I'm not wild about the idea of a "good loss." But all our losses except Colorado have at least been to ranked opponents.

True. The losses don't really hurt in and of themselves. It's just that not winning any of them doesn't help. We seem destined to land in the 7-10 seed range unless we really kick it into gear down the stretch, which is where we seemingly landed in a typical year prior to joining the BE.

[XU 87]

X RPI is at 16. Mathematically, that's a 4 seed. Wouldn't get a 4 seed right now, or even a 5, but still.......

[GoMuskies]

At least we're not Dook! How often do you get to say that?

[Strange Brew]

X RPI is at 16. Mathematically, that's a 4 seed. Wouldn't get a 4 seed right now, or even a 5, but still.......

Yeah, tough stretch in the schedule and the team didn't capitalize on a couple of winnable games. But, all is not lost. We're about to enter "winning time"!

[Xville]

X RPI is at 16. Mathematically, that's a 4 seed. Wouldn't get a 4 seed right now, or even a 5, but still.......

Another indicator of how stupid the rpi is. X has beaten absolutely no one, but because they have played and lost to a bunch of good teams, their rpi is goodoing. Stupid outdated analytic that should have absolutely zero bearing on tournament selection in my opinion.

[xubrew]

UNC Wilmington is now up to #27 and #29 in the AP and Coaches Poll. They are probably about two weeks away from getting into the rankings. Once they do, everyone in the media will start championing them, and talking about how they are a dark horse, and how teams need to watch out for them in March. And, they will talk as if they have known about them all season long. Which, is good I guess, but it's still kind of funny to me that no one starts calling them their dark horse until they're really not a dark horse anymore.

Besides, I think there is another Under the Radar/Mid Major team that's better than they are, and they're barely getting votes in either poll, and that's Middle Tennessee. But, both teams are good and if the season ended today I think they'd both deserve to be in the NCAA Tournament even if they didn't manage to win their conference tournaments.

UNC Wilmington is getting absolutely boat-raced by William & Mary right now. So much for that...

[xubrew]

Another indicator of how stupid the rpi is. X has beaten absolutely no one, but because they have played and lost to a bunch of good teams, their rpi is goodoing. Stupid outdated analytic that should have absolutely zero bearing on tournament selection in my opinion.

It's stupid as a power rating. But, that's not how it's used. It's just a general RATING. it's not even a ranking. It's kind of like saying that a batting average is stupid because a guy with a good batting average hasn't faced any good pitchers. It's slightly more precise than just looking at a team's win/loss record, and that's really all it's supposed to be. So I would say it's good at being what it is.

[Xville]

It's stupid as a power rating. But, that's not how it's used. It's just a general RATING. it's not even a ranking. It's kind of like saying that a batting average is stupid because a guy with a good batting average hasn't faced any good pitchers. It's slightly more precise than just looking at a team's win/loss record, and that's really all it's supposed to be. So I would say it's good at being what it is.

Except that it's used as a part of the tournament selection process which is my point. It shouldn't be, because it has little bearing on how good or bad a team actually is

[xubrew]

Except that it's used as a part of the tournament selection process which is my point. It shouldn't be, because it has little bearing on how good or bad a team actually is

The committee doesn't use it as a power ranking. It's never going to be a deciding factor in whether or not a team gets selected. It's not really a big part of the process other than appearing on the team sheets.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Colorado beat Oregon

[bleedXblue]

Colorado beat Oregon

Wake win over Duke would have been great too......

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wake win over Duke would have been great too......

Yeah. Up 7 under 2 mins left. Wake shit the bed. Or I guess duke just turned it on. I only saw a small clip.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Yeah. Up 7 under 2 mins left. Wake shit the bed. Or I guess duke just turned it on. I only saw a small clip.

Basically Duke finally realized that Kennard is their best player and got him the ball.

[X-band '01]

Yeah. Up 7 under 2 mins left. Wake shit the bed. Or I guess duke just turned it on. I only saw a small clip.

So will this win be credited to Mike Krzyzewski or Jeff Capel?

[Juice]

So will this win be credited to Mike Krzyzewski or Jeff Capel?

All wins go to Coach K because he locked the players out of the locker room and didn't let them wear Duke clothes. All losses go to Capel because he doesn't use juvenile motivational tactics like Coach K.

[bleedXblue]

All wins go to Coach K because he locked the players out of the locker room and didn't let them wear Duke clothes. All losses go to Capel because he doesn't use juvenile motivational tactics like Coach K.

Another reason why I don't like Kyeshyftgyski

[GoMuskies]

Why is Nova playing like shit?

[BandAid]

Why is Nova playing like shit?

Virginia's defense is good. Jenkins is ice cold. Hart is also cold, but it's not uncommon for him to have two wildly different halves in a game. They've given up a lot of good looks out of their press.

[Xville]

Why is Nova playing like shit?

Most teams look like that against virginia

[BandAid]

I wish our packline looked like Virginia's

[GoMuskies]

Most teams look like that against virginia

Sure, but Villanova is supposed to be in the running for a #1 seed. So far, not a good look at home. UVA is a very good team, but they're not elite.

[Xville]

Sure, but Villanova is supposed to be in the running for a #1 seed. So far, not a good look at home. UVA is a very good team, but they're not elite.

Matchups....Louisville is in the running for a 1 seed and looks like shit against Virginia every time they play them.

[Juice]

Sure, but Villanova is supposed to be in the running for a #1 seed. So far, not a good look at home. UVA is a very good team, but they're not elite.

#2 on KenPom with a top 5 defense and a top 20 offense. They're resume isn't there yet but the computers love them.

[xavierj]

Sure, but Villanova is supposed to be in the running for a #1 seed. So far, not a good look at home. UVA is a very good team, but they're not elite.

Pretty much all teams in contention for a #1 lost this week and Virginia beat nova by 11 last year. Not a big deal. I also wish Xavier could play nova at that arena at some point. Maybe that would bust the curb stomping.

[xavierj]

#2 on KenPom with a top 5 defense and a top 20 offense. They're resume isn't there yet but the computers love them.

That and they won it all last year...

[GoMuskies]

That and they won it all last year...

Uva won it all last year?

[GoMuskies]

Nova is awake now.

[Juice]

That and they won it all last year...

I was talking about UVA but Nova is 4th on KenPom.

[GoMuskies]

Huge. Felt like that was a game Nova really needed at home if they're going to get a #1 seed.

[xubrew]

Sure, but Villanova is supposed to be in the running for a #1 seed. So far, not a good look at home. UVA is a very good team, but they're not elite.

I think Virginia is elite, but I realize I'm in the minority there. If I'm right then they'll show it down the stretch by winning the ACC. Again.

I'm sure almost no one realizes this, but someone told me yesterday that Virginia would have been the first team in men's college basketball history to win three straight road games against top fifteen teams in the same season had they won at Nova today. If that's right, then I guess UCLA never played and won three road games in a row against top fifteen teams in the same season when Wooden was the coach.

[Juice]

I think Virginia is elite, but I realize I'm in the minority there. If I'm right then they'll show it down the stretch by winning the ACC. Again.

I'm sure almost no one realizes this, but someone told me yesterday that Virginia would have been the first team in men's college basketball history to win three straight road games against top fifteen teams in the same season had they won at Nova today. If that's right, then I guess UCLA never played and won three road games in a row against top fifteen teams in the same season when Wooden was the coach.

They're really good but I don't think their offense is built to win the tournament. It's efficient but they don't get enough possessions.

[xavierj]

I was talking about UVA but Nova is 4th on KenPom.

Read it wrong. Virginia is good and very well coached. Nice comeback and another good win for Nova and the big east.

[Juice]

Read it wrong. Virginia is good and very well coached. Nice comeback and another good win for Nova and the big east.

I also wasn't very clear, but agree on all points.

[xubrew]

Northwestern is now in the rankings, and deservedly so. I don't think they've ever cracked the rankings in basketball in my lifetime. I'm not sure they've ever been ranked in their entire existence. Chicago is having quite the sports year.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Northwestern is now in the rankings, and deservedly so. I don't think they've ever cracked the rankings in basketball in my lifetime. I'm not sure they've ever been ranked in their entire existence. Chicago is having quite the sports year.

They were briefly ranked in 2009.

[D-West & PO-Z]

They've never made the tourney right?

[xubrew]

They've never made the tourney right?

Correct.

There are five schools that have had programs since the tournament began in 1939 that have never made it. Saint Francis Brooklyn, Army, The Citadel, William & Mary, and Northwestern. W & M and SFNY have gotten really close a couple of times in recent years, and it looked like William & Mary was closed to an at-large bid a few years back, but none have actually made it.

[paulxu]

I don't think this is part of the NCAA's expanded look at metrics, but it interesting there are 7 BE teams above the cut line.

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[xubrew]

I don't think this is part of the NCAA's expanded look at metrics, but it interesting there are 7 BE teams above the cut line.

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

I believe this particular metric tries to predict the committee. I think it would be somewhat ridiculous for the committee to adopt a metric that's focused on predicting the committee. And with that being said, I wouldn't be surprised if they did it either.

[BandAid]

I don't think this is part of the NCAA's expanded look at metrics, but it interesting there are 7 BE teams above the cut line.

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

How weak is the bubble? Two teams (Seton Hall and Wake Forest) accredited with having a "0.00%" Chance of Bid are above the cut line.

[Strange Brew]

I know I shouldn't but I'm really enjoying watching AZ take an absolute beat down.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kansas lost at home. That doesnt happen often. Bill Self has more Big 12 championships than home losses.

Baylor lost at home too.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Syracuse beat UVA.

What is going on?

[xubrew]

No one probably saw this, but Saint Bonaventure just hit a three with less than a second to go to beat VCU by 1 point. The fans and players ran onto the court. The problem was that there still a half second left. The refs, as they should have, called a one shot technical foul because that actually is the rule if you run on the court when the other team is trying to in bound it.

VCU made the freethrow, and it's now going to overtime.

This is actually quite important since VCU is right on the bubble and really needs to win this game.

The refs got it right. I like a good court storming, but not before the game is over. The refs should have t'd up Oregon when they stormed the court against UCLA, but they didn't.

[bobbiemcgee]

Colorado has won 3 in a row incl #10 Oregon.

[BlueX]

No one probably saw this, but Saint Bonaventure just hit a three with less than a second to go to beat VCU by 1 point. The fans and players ran onto the court. The problem was that there still a half second left. The refs, as they should have, called a one shot technical foul because that actually is the rule if you run on the court when the other team is trying to in bound it.

VCU made the freethrow, and it's now going to overtime.

This is actually quite important since VCU is right on the bubble and really needs to win this game.

The refs got it right. I like a good court storming, but not before the game is over. The refs should have t'd up Oregon when they stormed the court against UCLA, but they didn't.

I actually don't think they did storm right away. The camera work was so bad couldn't tell for sure but it looked like they stormed at vcu had inbounded. Whatever happened it was the a10 at its finest

[X-band '01]

I actually don't think they did storm right away. The camera work was so bad couldn't tell for sure but it looked like they stormed at vcu had inbounded. Whatever happened it was the a10 at its finest

I'm with Brew on this one. It's not an A-10 thing, it's an NCAA thing. As long as there's still time on the clock, they can't let fans rush the floor. Period.

Now what would have been real funny is if a few rogue VCU fans rushed the floor in that situation. Would they go by the book and charge the Bonnies with a T in that situation?

[BlueX]

The one TV angle that made me say that was the ball was bouncing towards the vcu bench after the announcers said vcu had inbounded the ball. Only then did I see a student at half court

[xubrew]

The one TV angle that made me say that was the ball was bouncing towards the vcu bench after the announcers said vcu had inbounded the ball. Only then did I see a student at half court

VCU clearly did not in bound the ball. Not only did it never come in bounds, no one even went to pick it up.

[GoMuskies]

SMC up 52-12 on San Diego with just over 10 minutes to go in the second half. Ouch.

[BlueX]

Saw this on the a10 forum. I now think the technical was total garbage. Students clearly rush after buzzer.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BV_Sports/status/828025845545631746/video/1

[usfldan]

Saw this on the a10 forum. I now think the technical was total garbage. Students clearly rush after buzzer.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BV_Sports/status/828025845545631746/video/1

I think part of the problem is that they ran out the clock when they should not have. After the shot, some security guard grabs the ball while he's waiving people back. Then some guy gets in the way and I can't see whether VCU inbounds it or not, but as the clock starts running, the official who is visible on the left is in the process of putting his hands up to stop the play. The students may have rushed after the buzzer, but that should not have been buzzer, so the game wasn't really over.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I believe VCU did inbound and that is when the time ran out.

Kind of a BS tech imo but maybe it was done correctly.

[GoMuskies]

Arky didn't help themselves today losing at gawdawful Mizzou today. Thank God we avoided disaster with Mizzou.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Arky didn't help themselves today losing at gawdawful Mizzou today. Thank God we avoided disaster with Mizzou.

Yeah that would have been horrific looking on the resume. The kind of loss that drops you 2 seed lines with our current resume.

[GoMuskies]

41 point win for my hometown Shockers over previously 11-0 Illinois State tonight. That will leave a mark. Shockers can still sneak in as an at-large if they win out before losing in St. Loo, I think.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Saw this on the a10 forum. I now think the technical was total garbage. Students clearly rush after buzzer.
https://mobile.twitter.com/BV_Sports/status/828025845545631746/video/1


I don't know what it is that you two are looking at. Look at the picture below and notice the following.

There is 0.4 left on the clock.

The Saint Bonaventure players and coaches on the left side of the picture are way out on the floor.

There is a man on the right side of the screen who picked up the ball. VCU never inbounded it. They never had the chance to. That alone COULD have been a two shot technical. A fan or a member of the event staff just can't pick up the ball and walk off with it.

And, the picture doesn't show this because it's a still, but security is waiving people back. They were running onto the floor. They ran the 0.4 off the clock AFTER Saint Bona's players and coaches ran off the bench, AND someome picked up the ball for whatever reason and started walking away with it, AND just as fans began running onto the floor. I don't want to accuse anyone of anything, but the clock operator may have started the clock in the hopes that no one would notice. Or, maybe he was just confused and didn't know what else to do.

The refs got it right. VCU did not inbound the ball, and time had not expired when people started running out there. The clock operator just started the clock during all the chaos for whatever reason. It's on the video.

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VCU without a doubt in bounded the basketball.

Look at the above link. pause it then take the cursor slow mo. The VCU player runs and grabs the ball from the security guy with the ball and tosses it in. You can see the Bona players react and run towards where the ball was in bounded.

The Bona bench definitely initially runs out before running right back. If that warrants the T ok, fine I get it but the fans dont run out until after the ball is then inboundded by VCU and the time then starts and runs out.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Announcers also say on the call. "VCU in bounds...."

[xubrew]

VCU without a doubt in bounded the basketball.

Look at the above link. pause it then take the cursor slow mo. The VCU player runs and grabs the ball from the security guy with the ball and tosses it in. You can see the Bona players react and run towards where the ball was in bounded.

The Bona bench definitely initially runs out before running right back. If that warrants the T ok, fine I get it but the fans dont run out until after the ball is then inboundded by VCU and the time then starts and runs out.

Yeah, I saw it from another angle and was going to repost that, but you beat me to it by replying to my original post. They ran and got it from the security guard that was walking away with the ball and then threw it in. I don't think they got that on the TV broadcast.

I can understand how the fans would think the game was over. What I don't understand is why the guy just picked up the ball. I mean, even if he thought the game was over, why in the hell would he pick up the ball and just walk off with it??

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah, I saw it from another angle and was going to repost that, but you beat me to it by replying to my original post. They ran and got it from the security guard that was walking away with the ball and then threw it in. I don't think they got that on the TV broadcast.

I can understand how the fans would think the game was over. What I don't understand is why the guy just picked up the ball. I mean, even if he thought the game was over, why in the hell would he pick up the ball and just walk off with it??

Yeah that was weird. And he was trying to keep students off the court but not because he didnt think it was over but just because they probably were wanting to prevent that but why pick up the ball. Dumb of him to do.

[xubrew]

Okay, you can see it pretty good here. The guy is walking away with the ball, and the VCU chases him down, grabs the ball, runs back to the baseline, and throws it in.

That's a technical on the home team's event staff.

But, that's not the technical that they called. So.....

I'm not really quite sure what to make of this. It sucks for the Bona players and coaches, but I think they ultimately made the right call for the wrong reason. Another thing was that the referees were already whistling prior to the ball being inbounded. So, it's possible that from their point of view the game wasn't over because they'd whistled for a stoppage before the clock started.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQ0hq2GdcA

[D-West & PO-Z]

The refs did a really poor job imo there. I am assuming they stopped the game because they wanted to review the time not because any Bona bench members had run out because they just wave them back. But they did a poor job making that clear to everyone, players, time clock operator, coaches, so the play continued and clock went to zero and fans rushed which is why I am guessing they called the T because fans were on the court when the game wasnt technically over, although the refs were the only one who knew it wasnt over.

[bobbiemcgee]

Best thing about watching this video. We'll never have to go to Olean again.

[paulxu]

Whatever is going on with the guy grabbing the ball, the VCU guy getting it and inbounding it, clock operator winding to zero, all of that...seems to me to overlook the refs discretion to call it right.
The few people who started out early, were quickly sent back. Not students I don't think.
Then the ball stuff happens, the clock goes to zero, the red light comes on and the buzzer sounds...then the students pile on.

If the ref wanted to make a call (for example they had tried to stop the game at .4 because the guard got the ball, VCU player grabbed it to inbound and it should have gone to the ref first), they had the latitude to re-clear the court and let the .4 play out. They didn't have to call a technical on the students who came on to the court AFTER the buzzer and light.

If they decide to call a technical like they did, and give VCU one shot...did they follow that with an inbound play with .4 on the clock? I'm not sure. I think they gave the technical, it was shot, and they went right to OT. That would seem to say all the time was gone. Very confusing.

Bona got the shaft I think.

[xubrew]

So, I know things fade to the backburner quickly and that you oftentimes forget way more than you remember, but yesterday was the craziest day of the college basketball regular season that I can ever remember in my lifetime.

Six top ten teams lost.

Of those six, three lost at home to unranked teams.

Also those six, three were in the top five, and of those three top five teams, two lost at home to unranked teams.

Two additional ranked teams lost at home to either lower ranked or unranked teams (one of which was Creighton's loss to us).

If you look at the non-power/Under the Radar leagues, Middle Tennessee, Akron, and Valparaiso all lost and all of them had at least a chance of making the NCAA Tournament without the automatic bid.

I'm beginning to think that the Big Twelve issued some sort of directive to help out the bubble teams in their conference.

Oh yea, and that whole thing with VCU and Saint Bona.

It was the craziest day ever. There were about ten different things that happened yesterday that typically only happen once or twice in an entire season, yet they all seemed to happen on the same day.

[xubrew]

Whatever is going on with the guy grabbing the ball, the VCU guy getting it and inbounding it, clock operator winding to zero, all of that...seems to me to overlook the refs discretion to call it right.
The few people who started out early, were quickly sent back. Not students I don't think.
Then the ball stuff happens, the clock goes to zero, the red light comes on and the buzzer sounds...then the students pile on.

If the ref wanted to make a call (for example they had tried to stop the game at .4 because the guard got the ball, VCU player grabbed it to inbound and it should have gone to the ref first), they had the latitude to re-clear the court and let the .4 play out. They didn't have to call a technical on the students who came on to the court AFTER the buzzer and light.

If they decide to call a technical like they did, and give VCU one shot...did they follow that with an inbound play with .4 on the clock? I'm not sure. I think they gave the technical, it was shot, and they went right to OT. That would seem to say all the time was gone. Very confusing.

Bona got the shaft I think.

I don't mean this to be a direct response to you, but rather just a general response. I just used your quote because it is a good reference point.

I'm going to do something I don't like, and that's drop a nameless reference. I have a friend that is a referee, and although he wasn't doing this game, he lives in the same circle that all college basketball referees live in, and basically got an explanation as to what actually happened. Referees are not allowed to publicly comment on why they make calls, which I agree with in general, but in this case it would have really helped.

Here is another angle, and below is a walkthrough.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Seth_SBU_MP/status/828124984769990657/video/1

In the first 10 seconds, you see the ball go through the hoop, and you then see the security guard cheer/pump his fist, pick up the ball, and begin walking away with it. This was why the technical was called. It had nothing to do with the fans or coaches.

Now, this is where you have to pause the video, and just drag it with your mouse, but if you do this is actually amazing.

At the 10 second mark, #5 for VCU looks over and sees that the security guard is walking off with the ball. There is a referee right behind him. He begins running over toward the guard and apparently yelled at the referee that the guard had the ball, and he did this apparently knowing what the rule was.

He grabs it from the guard, runs to the baseline, and inbounds it at the 14 second mark. Time expires, and at the 15/16 second mark you see #5 jumping around like crazy and yelling/gesturing for a technical foul. He's doing this before the fans had even completely spilled onto the court.

And....that's why it was called.

I'm amazed. I really am. I hate it for Saint Bona, but a big part of me wants to give HUGE props to #5 on VCU's team for knowing that rule. I can honestly say that I would have never had that kind of consciousness in that situation, nor would I have had the awareness to make sure the referees had seen what I had done.

I'm just....WOW!!

And now is the part where I admit that what I initially thought had happened when I posted my original opinions is not what happened at all.

[paulxu]

In the first 10 seconds, you see the ball go through the hoop, and you then see the security guard cheer/pump his fist, pick up the ball, and begin walking away with it. This was why the technical was called. It had nothing to do with the fans or coaches.

The problem I think is that the official A10 explanation of the "correctness" of the calls/outcomes was that the students stormed the court/interfered with play.
Not that the security guard did anything. At least that what I understood.
It also looks like it bounced right to him, he sort of reflexively grabbed it, and maybe he was walking toward the official to give it to him.
The VCU player was going to get the ball, because he knew there was time left. (red lights not on)
I still have the question as to why they didn't clear the court, put .4 on the clock, and replay the time remaining.
And the additional question of whether a player can inbound off the make, or does the official need to touch the ball first.
What a cluster...

[xudash]

The A10 is a cluster----.

[xubrew]

The problem I think is that the official A10 explanation of the "correctness" of the calls/outcomes was that the students stormed the court/interfered with play.
Not that the security guard did anything. At least that what I understood.
It also looks like it bounced right to him, he sort of reflexively grabbed it, and maybe he was walking toward the official to give it to him.
The VCU player was going to get the ball, because he knew there was time left. (red lights not on)
I still have the question as to why they didn't clear the court, put .4 on the clock, and replay the time remaining.
And the additional question of whether a player can inbound off the make, or does the official need to touch the ball first.
What a cluster...

Again, I'm just going off of what another person has told me, so I can't claim direct knowledge. But it's my understanding that the A10 came out in support of the call based on what they saw and what they thought happened. The referees never gave any sort of explanation to the league office because they were never asked to. Explaining calls to the league office is not really a normal thing. It has to be something controversial that the league did not agree with, and that's not what happened. The A10 just came out and said the call was right, and then justified it because of what they thought had happened. I'm being told that's not what actually happened or why the technical was called. Take it for what you think it's worth, which I realize may be zero.

I don't really even blame the security guard. It was a mistake, but if he thought the game was over and wanted to grab the ball so no one else running onto the court would pick it up and run off with it, then you have to kind of realize that's a mistake that a lot of people would make in that situation. I can't really think of it as being anyone's fault. It was just a crazy fluke.

[Masterofreality]

The A10 is a cluster----.

Just continues the narrative that I've believed for years, the A10 has and has had bad Commissioners and admins. Many on this board took me to task for that saying it was the schools, uh no. This is another example. One day they blame the fans, then today say the refs got it wrong.

See what you get when you get a REAL experienced Commissioner? You get the Big East. When you have tertiary people like Linda Blutarsky and Bernie McGlade, you get a tertiary league with 5,000 people at their Conference Championship game. Enjoy your purgatory udump

[usfldan]

I think the technical is for the fans storming the court, correctly so, and not the security guard.

In the last clip Brew posted (https://mobile.twitter.com/Seth_SBU_MP/status/828124984769990657/video/1), it sounds like there are several whistles to stop play before VCU’s attempted inbounds pass. That seems to be confirmed by the clip on CBSSports.com of the end of the game (http://cbsprt.co/2ktZ3ji) where the announcer says they’ve been blowing the whistle.
At that point, if nobody had run onto the court, I think they would have put 0.4 seconds back on the clock, let VCU inbound, and the game would have been over. This is even with the security guard grabbing the ball.
Instead, fans rushed the court before they could restore order and let VCU do a proper inbounds pass, so they got the technical.


On a humorous note, in the last clip by Brew, there is one guy who does run onto the court on the left side (at 0:09), but he accidentally kicks the ref in the leg before scurrying back.

[xubrew]

Just continues the narrative that I've believed for years, the A10 has and has had bad Commissioners and admins.

I seem to recall being in very strong agreement with you on that. Still am.

[paulxu]

If I understood the A10's corrected announcement today, the T was for the guard...not the students.

I agree with you MOR on having an infinitely better front office now, in the BE.

(although I'll always wonder why they hired Cahill as head of officials. But that's just me. I REALLY don't like that guy.)

[GoMuskies]

What was up with Clemson getting firebombed by FSU yesterday, by the way. Talk about a disappointing team.

[xubrew]

What was up with Clemson getting firebombed by FSU yesterday, by the way. Talk about a disappointing team.

Are you speaking in terms of this week, this season, or the past five seasons??

[GoMuskies]

I only care about this season, because this is the only time they've affected us. At least, I don't think we've played them otherwise recently. They're a forgettable enough program that I could be wrong about that.

[xubrew]

I only care about this season, because this is the only time they've affected us. At least, I don't think we've played them otherwise recently. They're a forgettable enough program that I could be wrong about that.

To your point, they're constantly disappointing.

[Masterofreality]

I seem to recall being in very strong agreement with you on that. Still am.

You have been a past backer of me on that Brew. Thank you. Fact is though, that many on this board kept excusing the incompetence by blaming the schools for not causing more to happen rather than pointing at the lack of strong leadership.

Fact is that Linda Blutarsky did ZERO to leverage the A10's strength in 2004 when it had the #1 team in the Country for much of the year (St. Joes) and two very strong NCAA performances with XU and the Hawks. There should have been a strong effort to upgrade the TV contract with a hungry provider such as Outdoor Life Network, that soon became Versus and was looking for Programming, or get a much stronger presence on ESPN or another provider such as the Fox Regional Sports Networks- (FSN Ohio, FSN Detroit etc) that were growing in stature and could have provided an alternative Nationwide reach. But Blutarsky just sat on her fat ass. I'll never be more livid at a weakling Commissioner than I was at that time. Add to that, the continued coddling of scofflaws like LaSuck,Fordham and Dookcane that never ever improved but kept sucking money while contributing nothing.

Thank Gawd for strong leadership by Val Ackerman and her staff. She knows how to get things done, and demand excellence of her members. I doubt that a disgrace like Fordham would ever be allowed to abide in the Big East. At least DePaul is getting a new arena. May not help, but at least there is an attempt.

[X-band '01]

DePaul's AD is probably the Big East equivalent of Frank McLaughlin at Fordham. DePaul is decent at women's hoops and other Olympic sports but have seriously neglected men's hoops.

[xudash]

You have been a past backer of me on that Brew. Thank you. Fact is though, that many on this board kept excusing the incompetence by blaming the schools for not causing more to happen rather than pointing at the lack of strong leadership.

Fact is that Linda Blutarsky did ZERO to leverage the A10's strength in 2004 when it had the #1 team in the Country for much of the year (St. Joes) and two very strong NCAA performances with XU and the Hawks. There should have been a strong effort to upgrade the TV contract with a hungry provider such as Outdoor Life Network, that soon became Versus and was looking for Programming, or get a much stronger presence on ESPN or another provider such as the Fox Regional Sports Networks- (FSN Ohio, FSN Detroit etc) that were growing in stature and could have provided an alternative Nationwide reach. But Blutarsky just sat on her fat ass. I'll never be more livid at a weakling Commissioner than I was at that time. Add to that, the continued coddling of scofflaws like LaSuck,Fordham and Dookcane that never ever improved but kept sucking money while contributing nothing.

Thank Gawd for strong leadership by Val Ackerman and her staff. She knows how to get things done, and demand excellence of her members. I doubt that a disgrace like Fordham would ever be allowed to abide in the Big East. At least DePaul is getting a new arena. May not help, but at least there is an attempt.

It is so refreshing reading this, knowing that we are no longer associated with that conference.

Yes, it treated us well, but there were many justifiable frustrations with it along the way.

[XU 87]

If I understood the A10's corrected announcement today, the T was for the guard...not the students.



If that's the case, that's absurd. The team gets a T because some security guard, who is not remotely part of the team staff, grabbed the basketball?

[xubrew]

If that's the case, that's absurd. The team gets a T because some security guard, who is not remotely part of the team staff, grabbed the basketball?

Yes. The event staff is an extension of the home team because they're thought of as being a part of the athletic department staff. The coach is actually technically responsible for the crowd, even though there is almost nothing they can do to really control it.

[coasterville95]

Yes. The event staff is an extension of the home team because they're thought of as being a part of the athletic department staff. The coach is actually technically responsible for the crowd, even though there is almost nothing they can do to really control it.

Example. Our game against St Johns at MSG. Somebody threw one of the ball toss balls on the court and and announcement was made that if anything else was thrown on the court from the stands - St. John's would be assessed a technical.

Hmm - I wonder if they have ever cleared an arena due to fan misbehavior? I mean if players get bounced after 2 Ts. I would think they would try to isolate the fan involved and toss them.

[bjf123]

A number of years ago, during a poorly ref'd game, someone threw something from the X student section onto the court. The same announcement was made, but the other students also pointed the offender out to security and had him removed.


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[MauriceX]

Example. Our game against St Johns at MSG. Somebody threw one of the ball toss balls on the court and and announcement was made that if anything else was thrown on the court from the stands - St. John's would be assessed a technical.

Hmm - I wonder if they have ever cleared an arena due to fan misbehavior? I mean if players get bounced after 2 Ts. I would think they would try to isolate the fan involved and toss them.

Is there anything in place to stop fans of the away team from throwing stuff on the court to keep giving the home team technicals?

[xubrew]

Is there anything in place to stop fans of the away team from throwing stuff on the court to keep giving the home team technicals?

I've always wondered that.

[coasterville95]

I've always wondered that.

Getting your butt kicked by fans of the home team?

[Juice]

Example. Our game against St Johns at MSG. Somebody threw one of the ball toss balls on the court and and announcement was made that if anything else was thrown on the court from the stands - St. John's would be assessed a technical.

Hmm - I wonder if they have ever cleared an arena due to fan misbehavior? I mean if players get bounced after 2 Ts. I would think they would try to isolate the fan involved and toss them.

They suspend whole stadiums of soccer fans for being racist piece of shit.

[usfldan]

Is there anything in place to stop fans of the away team from throwing stuff on the court to keep giving the home team technicals?

Wasn't there an incident against Evansville back in the 80's where someone threw ice onto the floor at the Gardens and Jim Crews insisted Xavier get a technical, but Gillen said it could have been an Evansville fan, which set Crews off and Crews got the technical instead? I thought I heard something like that once.

[XU 87]

Yes. The event staff is an extension of the home team because they're thought of as being a part of the athletic department staff. The coach is actually technically responsible for the crowd, even though there is almost nothing they can do to really control it.

I'm not disputing that's the rule. I'm just saying it's an absurd rule to have the home team assessed a T for something a security guard does.

[gladdenguy]

I'm not disputing that's the rule. I'm just saying it's an absurd rule to have the home team assessed a T for something a security guard does.

Totally agree. In college football they have the fans escorted back to their seats and they play the remaining time. Why the heck can't they do that for a basketball game?

[GoMuskies]

Without looking, try to guess all the teams currently in the WAC. Anyone who gets three or more without looking is impressive (or sick, in 'brew's case).

[muskiefan82]

Without looking, try to guess all the teams currently in the WAC. Anyone who gets three or more without looking is impressive (or sick, in 'brew's case).

Damn. One. I knew one. That was rough.

[X-band '01]

Without looking, try to guess all the teams currently in the WAC. Anyone who gets three or more without looking is impressive (or sick, in 'brew's case).

Chicago State, UMKC, Texas-Rio Grande Valley, New Mexico State, Utah Valley, Grand Canyon, Cal State-Bakersfield, and Seattle.

California Baptist will also join in 2018-19.

[paulxu]

Wonder where Chicago State gets the money to send all their sports teams to California to play.

[xubrew]

Without looking, try to guess all the teams currently in the WAC. Anyone who gets three or more without looking is impressive (or sick, in 'brew's case).

Not sure what the point is, but New Mexico State, Utah Valley, UMKC, Seattle, Chicago State, Bakersfield, Grand Canyon......and I honestly can't remember the eighth team.

EDIT: UTVRG. Someone else beat me to it. I didn't remember until seeing it. But, I did get seven of the eight without looking it up. If you give me a conference I can name most of the teams. If you give me any team then I can tell you the conference.

[GoMuskies]

Not sure what the point is

The point is that the WAC, which was pretty recently a major conference, is now inhabited by a strange group of vagrant programs and is completely unrecognizable. It's so bad that C-USA thinks it's awful what conference realignment has done to the WAC.

[X-band '01]

The point is that the WAC, which was pretty recently a major conference, is now inhabited by a strange group of vagrant programs and is completely unrecognizable. It's so bad that C-USA thinks it's awful what conference realignment has done to the WAC.

Or as Brew is fond of saying, C-USA has a group of major teams at the top and a group of Southland teams at the bottom.

[xubrew]

The point is that the WAC, which was pretty recently a major conference, is now inhabited by a strange group of vagrant programs and is completely unrecognizable. It's so bad that C-USA thinks it's awful what conference realignment has done to the WAC.

Chicago State, Utah Valley, Seattle, and what is now UTVRG but was previously Texas Pan American were all members of the Great West Conference, which didn't even have an automatic bid. That's half the league. Half the league came from a league that was practically not even a league.

[GoMuskies]

Arkansas is down by 21 at home to Vandy. Nice collapse to their sesson.

Northwestern is trailing Illinois midway through the second half at home. The Wildcats might start putting their NCAA hopes in doubt if they lose that one. Illinois sucks.

[X-band '01]

And Syracuse is doing their part to ensure that the ACC does not get double-digit teams into the NCAA field this year.

#Clemsoning

[xubrew]

It sucks being Clemson this year. No one has almost won more games than they have.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Arkansas is down by 21 at home to Vandy. Nice collapse to their sesson.

Northwestern is trailing Illinois midway through the second half at home. The Wildcats might start putting their NCAA hopes in doubt if they lose that one. Illinois sucks.

Is John Groce still there? If so he cant last much longer I wouldnt think.

Edit: I see he is.

[Juice]

It sucks being Clemson this year. No one has almost won more games than they have.

Clemson is 225 out of 351 in "luck" on KenPom this year.

[X-band '01]

Northwestern's top scorer didn't play tonight. I hope he's not out for a long period of time.

[xubrew]

VCU wins again.

GW hit what appeared to be a game winning shot at the buzzer. They put 0.4 secs back on the clock, VCU drew up a play that was designed to draw a foul. It worked. They hit both freethrows. They won. Amazing.

[scoscox]

Naismith watch list just went out. 30 players and Jalen Brunson is listed. That is just wild. Brunson has been solid on arguably the best team in the country, but Edmond was putting up better numbers. I just don't see it. I would think Tre would get a look before him.

[xubrew]

Nice win for SMU. Jankovic had four 20+ win seasons at Illinois State, and I thought leaving that to go to SMU to be an assistant was nuts, but now he's the head man and he's done a damn good job the last two years. I've never really given him a whole lot of thought, but he has all the earmarks of being a really good coach.

[GoMuskies]

Congrats to Northwestern on reaching their first ever NCAA Tournament!

[Masterofreality]

#Creaned
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/news/tom-crean-indiana-basketball-coach-calls-out-players-thomas-bryant-james-blackmon/1plmnmwneh63ezksivdymyxcw?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[X-band '01]

That headline implies that Indiana hasn't already tuned Crean out and folded their tents for the year.

[GoMuskies]

Is this the year IU ends their unholy alliance with Tom Crean?

If they fired Crean and hired Gregg Marshall, watch the fuck out. That 30 year title streak would soon end.

[AviatorX]

Is this the year IU ends their unholy alliance with Tom Crean?

If they fired Crean and hired Gregg Marshall, watch the fuck out. That 30 year title streak would soon end.

You think they could get Marshall to listen? Obviously doesn't mean anything, but his name doesn't gain much traction in the 100000000 threads on IU boards about Crean's replacement.

[GoMuskies]

I think Marshall would take that job in a heartbeat. They'd have to pony up, but Indiana is no Alabama in basketball.

Well, they're not in football, either, but that's different.

[xubrew]

You think they could get Marshall to listen? Obviously doesn't mean anything, but his name doesn't gain much traction in the 100000000 threads on IU boards about Crean's replacement.

Just out of curiosity does Brad Stevens's name come up and are there fans out there that actually think they can get him?

[AviatorX]

I think Marshall would take that job in a heartbeat. They'd have to pony up, but Indiana is no Alabama in basketball.

Well, they're not in football, either, but that's different.

Yeah, I think the narrative that Marshall is at Wichita St. for life is a bit overdone, although certainly he'd only leave for a handful of jobs.

As an IU fan, honestly I'd stay away from that job right now. The expectations are crazy and the roster going forward the next few years is going to be a mess. You have to win like IU hasn't in a generation, and you gotta do it with scrappy Indiana kids or else a segment of the fan base will never be happy. It's definitely a train wreck with Crean right now. Part of me thinks an IU coaching search would be a real wake up call for some of the fan base as to how the job is perceived, but who knows.

[AviatorX]

Just out of curiosity does Brad Stevens's name come up and are there fans out there that actually think they can get him?

It comes up a lot from people who say "I know we could never get him but you have to make him say no." Buttt you still feel like those people think there's a chance. I mean why wouldn't you want to leave an extremely well positioned roster with a top 5 pick coming in a loaded draft to coach IU????

Another name getting tossed around a lot before it gets to the usual suspects is Billy Donovan.

[X-band '01]

Yeah, I think the narrative that Marshall is at Wichita St. for life is a bit overdone, although certainly he'd only leave for a handful of jobs.

As an IU fan, honestly I'd stay away from that job right now. The expectations are crazy and the roster going forward the next few years is going to be a mess. You have to win like IU hasn't in a generation, and you gotta do it with scrappy Indiana kids or else a segment of the fan base will never be happy. It's definitely a train wreck with Crean right now. Part of me thinks an IU coaching search would be a real wake up call for some of the fan base as to how the job is perceived, but who knows.

Or maybe get Steve Alford to leave one unrealistic fan base for another?

[GoMuskies]

UCLA has fans?

[Juice]

Just out of curiosity does Brad Stevens's name come up and are there fans out there that actually think they can get him?

Their dumb fans think he's coming back to Indiana. Their smart fans realize he's going to stay with the Celtics. Like most fan bases, especially with big state schools, my guess is that their dumb fans outnumber their smart ones.

[AviatorX]

I think Marshall would take that job in a heartbeat. They'd have to pony up, but Indiana is no Alabama in basketball.

Well, they're not in football, either, but that's different.

Also worth mentioning re Marshall: there is some chatter that after firing Kevin Wilson, Fred Glass won't want to hire a coach in the hard ass mold like Marshall. Interesting idea from the place that idolizes Knight, but it's out there nonetheless.

[GoMuskies]

It would thrill me if people at the biggest programs keep finding dumb ass reasons to pass on Marshall. They graduated VanVleet and Baker to the NBA and are going to win 30 games this year (with no seniors who contribute). He's as good as anyone in the country. Wichita is so lucky.

[xu82]

It would thrill me if people at the biggest programs keep finding dumb ass reasons to pass on Marshall. They graduated VanFleet and Baker to the NBA and are going to win 30 games this year (with no seniors who contribute). He's as good as anyone in the country. Wichita is so lucky.

100% agreed!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Kansas is about to lose their second straight home game. First time that has happened since the late 80's. Can't imagine Self has ever lost more than 2 at home since being at Kansas.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Maybe not.....great comeback going.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah, nevermind.

KU now looks like they will get the win in OT. What a comeback.

[X-band '01]

What a meltdown by West Virginia. They were up 14 with 2:30 to play.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah, nevermind.

KU now looks like they will get the win in OT. What a comeback.

WV making a move now. You might just be a jinx!

[D-West & PO-Z]

WV making a move now. You might just be a jinx!

HAHA, right?

Until that guy let the rebound hit off his leg out of bounds. Rough.

[GoMuskies]

Big whitey just choked away WV's last chance.

[GoMuskies]

Jesus, what a game.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Um, ok I love that sign I just saw:

"Hall of fame coaches wear suits"

Classic with Huggins and his poncho on the visiting bench.

[GoMuskies]

Pretty sure WV should be at the line for 3.

[Juice]

Um, ok I love that sign I just saw:

"Hall of fame coaches wear suits"

Classic with Huggins and his poncho on the visiting bench.

I don't think coaches need to wear suits but it's hilarious that he wears a golf jacket/pullover thing because he's so damn fat now. A normal polo or sweater won't do anymore.

[chico]

Um, ok I love that sign I just saw:

"Hall of fame coaches wear suits"

Classic with Huggins and his poncho on the visiting bench.

I'd just as soon he keep to the golf poncho.

2152

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't think coaches need to wear suits but it's hilarious that he wears a golf jacket/pullover thing because he's so damn fat now. A normal polo or sweater won't do anymore.

Yeah agreed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd just as soon he keep to the golf poncho.

2152

"Is Bob Huggins gonna have to choke a bitch?"

[xubrew]

I don't know what made a stronger impression.

For 37 minutes I think that really was the best I had seen any team play all year. They were not just hanging in with Kansas, but were controlling Kansas and managed to build what appeared to be a comfortable lead to where they could just cruise right in.

That was followed by the final three minutes of play, which would have made the Keystone Cops proud. I credit Kansas, but not as much as I discredit West Virginia.

[Masterofreality]

What a meltdown by West Virginia. They were up 14 with 2:30 to play.

But......But.......Bob Thuggins is a Hall of Game Coach!!!!

[GoMuskies]

So how good is Gonzaga really? According to KenPom, the difference between #1 Gonzaga and #2 Villanova is approximately the same as the difference between #2 Villanova and #13 Wichita State. Anyone buying that?

[xubrew]

So how good is Gonzaga really? According to KenPom, the difference between #1 Gonzaga and #2 Villanova is approximately the same as the difference between #2 Villanova and #13 Wichita State. Anyone buying that?

No.

Gonzaga's effeciency ratings are what they are because it is much easier to be efficient against the teams they're playing. So, the ranking makes sense, but I don't think it necessarily reflects how good Gonzaga is compared to Villanova.

I do believe that Gonzaga is quite good, though.

[AviatorX]

No.

Gonzaga's effeciency ratings are what they are because it is much easier to be efficient against the teams they're playing. So, the ranking makes sense, but I don't think it necessarily reflects how good Gonzaga is compared to Villanova.

I do believe that Gonzaga is quite good, though.

Doesn't KenPom adjust though? I am honestly unclear on how he balances pure efficiency with schedule strength.

[xubrew]

Doesn't KenPom adjust though? I am honestly unclear on how he balances pure efficiency with schedule strength.

Good question and good point. He does adjust it. I have no idea what the adjustment is and think it changes year to year. If you ask him he will explain it to you, and if you're like me he'll confuse the hell out of you before he even gets to his third sentence.

And in other news, Mark Gottfried is now the man who USED to coach at NC State.

[GoMuskies]

Archie?

[xubrew]

Archie?

Maybe.

Kevin Keatts would be another really good choice. Hell, UNCW is currently better than NC State.

I like Archie, and I know I need to stop thinking of it this way, but when you have twice as much in the way of resources as everyone else in your league then you should be dominating it. So he's not really doing anything that is above expectations. It's just that his predecessor really stunk.

[chico]

When I type Gottfried on my iPhone it auto-corrects to "got fired." Siri knows.

[XU 87]

Gottfried has been at NC State for 6 years. The first 4 he won 20 plus games and went to the NCAA'S every year, including two Sweet 16's. Last year they were .500 and are heading in that direction again. I guess his first 4 years of success didn't get him much. Unrealistic fans down there.

I will add- he is 44-44 in the ACC. Valvano was 71-69. (Of course Valvano had a championship and two elite 8's, but still, he's the most successful coach there since Valvano.)

[xubrew]

NC State fans think that they are so much better than what they are that it's comical. Then whenever reality hits them, which it does every year, they go crazy.

[GoMuskies]

Valvano also got fired.

And Gottfried does suck. So there's that.

[AviatorX]

NC State fans think that they are so much better than what they are that it's comical. Then whenever reality hits them, which it does every year, they go crazy.

I just hope NC St doesn't swoop in and steal Stevens from IU.

[Boro Muskie]

I had the distinct "privilege" of sitting directly behind this so called coach the last time they were in Dayton for the first 4 games. I can give the full report that he is not a good coach and probably a worse human. I was able to observe and hear everything he was saying and most of it is not fit for print. No strategy, positioning, or anything that we are now privy to with the in the huddle spot during Big East broadcasts. He is a foul mouthed son of a bitch and I can't understand how anyone would want to play for him. Lutz, on the other hand, his assistant at the time was the real deal. Very much the opposite so maybe that is just how he rolls.

[xudash]

NC State fans think that they are so much better than what they are that it's comical. Then whenever reality hits them, which it does every year, they go crazy.

In that case, he's a great fit for Dayton, except for the reality hitting them part.

[xubrew]

I just hope NC St doesn't swoop in and steal Stevens from IU.

IU fans are probably worried about this, and NC State fans probably think they can do it.

[xubrew]

In that case, he's a great fit for Dayton, except for the reality hitting them part.

NC State is a much more extreme version of Dayton. They're in the ACC and think they're as good as the conference frontrunners, and they make it a point to tell everyone how good they think they are, and argue incessantly with anyone who tries to point out that there are few planets between them and...say...Duke.

Duke and UNC is the bigger rivalry, but both hate NC State more than they hate each other simply because of how annoying they find NC State to be. it's actually funny to sit and watch from afar.

[xubrew]

This is dated, and admittedly most people don't find it as funny as I do, but I think it's hilarious.

This was posted by a local radio station a couple of years after Herb Sendek had been fired. Herb Sendek is far from being a great coach, but I do think he's at least a decent coach and he's done better at NC State than probably anyone since Jimmy V. Wittenberg arrived, and the program went into a tailspin by year two (which is when I think this was posted). That same year, Sendek had Arizona State, who had been a dumpster fire (and is once again) in the NCAA Tournament.

So, that's the backstory. Enjoy...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwOou2hDhQo

[GoMuskies]

UNC's fans do yell "Go to Hell State!" during their fight song, even when they're not playing NC State. That may be the best thing NC State has going for it.