College Basketball Season Thread 2016-2017

[GoMuskies]

That Fordham/Johnnies game should be awesome on Thursday!

[xubrew]

That Fordham/Johnnies game should be awesome on Thursday!

Fordham will probably beat them. Last year Mullin was whining about how Fordham ran up the score on them after the game. Yeah, that's real good. I'm not for running up the score, but I'm even less for complaining about running up the score. Complaining about how Fordham is running up the score is a sign that you need to just shut down the program and maybe even close down the entire school.

[XUMIOH12]

Fordham will probably beat them. Last year Mullin was whining about how Fordham ran up the score on them after the game. Yeah, that's real good. I'm not for running up the score, but I'm even less for complaining about running up the score. Complaining about how Fordham is running up the score is a sign that you need to just shut down the program and maybe even close down the entire school.

yeah thats about as bad as it gets haha

[Masterofreality]

UCon beat Syracuse......in a verrrrrrrrry ugly game. You want THAT Big East back New York?

News flash both the Orange and the Huskies suuuuuuuuuuuck!

[GoMuskies]

This has nothing to do with the current basketball season, but I thought it was funny and didn't really need its own thread. Louisville is threatening to ditch the downtown Yum Arena and build their own on campus arena. It's just posturing, but it's still hilarious.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/metro-government/2016/12/06/jurich-city-wants-u-l-out-yum-center/95023512/

[xubrew]

This has nothing to do with the current basketball season, but I thought it was funny and didn't really need its own thread. Louisville is threatening to ditch the downtown Yum Arena and build their own on campus arena. It's just posturing, but it's still hilarious.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/politics/metro-government/2016/12/06/jurich-city-wants-u-l-out-yum-center/95023512/

I don't get it.

It seems like Tom Jurich has been fighting the arena (or more specifically its location) since the whole thing was in the planning stages. I'm not saying he's wrong to feel that way. I just don't have any idea why he does. I get wanting an on campus facility that the school controls rather than a downtown facility that the city (I think, or maybe it's the state) controls, and that some head-butting is inevitable, but this guy has been whining and whining and whining and whining for years. The arena is six years old. He's been complaining for at least eight years.

It's not a bad deal. The YUM Center is a horribly named arena, but other than that it is an immaculate arena. "Having" to play there isn't the worst thing in the world. When they used to play at the Fairgrounds before moving downtown, one of the huge frustrations was that the arena had limited availability. With the YUM Center, as I understand it, UofL pretty much has the run of the place. Yet, they're unhappy. They want out. They seem to prefer spending a boat load of money to build a place on campus. Well, whatever.....

[GoMuskies]

Well, this isn't really about Louisville being upset about where the arena is located or really wanting to build an on-campus place. This is about UofL's "treatment" in getting blamed for the fact that the arena authority is not going to be able to service its debt in the near future. UofL got a sweetheart deal, and the city wants to renegotiate and wants UofL to kick in more money to prevent default. This is just Jurich's first public shot across the bow to the city as they try to separate UofL from its money.

[xubrew]

Ahh, okay. That makes sense. They want UofL to bend over and are trying to publicly shame them when they say they don't want to.

[xu82]

So it comes down to money? Shocking!

[xubrew]

La Salle is much improved. They've gone from sub 200 to probably top 100 in a year.

Chattanooga v Marshall and Hofstra v Saint Bona are good games as well. All four teams are flying under the radar, but all have looked good early on.

[xubrew]

SOMEONE ALERT THE FIRE MARSHALL!! Packed house tonight in Pittsburgh..

http://necfrontrow.com/webcast.php/RMU-3933/

[GoMuskies]

Wichita State leads SLU 36-9 at halftime. Man SLU is a dumpster fire.

[xubrew]

Don't give up! Don't ever give up!

Unless you're SLU. Then, you should give up.

[xudash]

LossSalle, doing what LossSalle does best.

[Xville]

Wichita State leads SLU 36-9 at halftime. Man SLU is a dumpster fire.

Slu is going to be just fine. This year will be awful but travis ford can recruit and his sidekick tate is going to be keeping some saint louis players home. 2 four star guys coming in next year, and a five star (i know really early but he is a saint louis guy) committed for 2018.

[xubrew]

Ohio State tonight....

https://media.giphy.com/media/hh05KqdAkVTos/giphy.gif

[X-band '01]

Florida Atlantic over Ohio State. So much for the Bucks turning a corner.

[xubrew]

LossSalle, doing what LossSalle does best.

Losing to Nova?? It was hardly a bad showing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Slu is going to be just fine. This year will be awful but travis ford can recruit and his sidekick tate is going to be keeping some saint louis players home. 2 four star guys coming in next year, and a five star (i know really early but he is a saint louis guy) committed for 2018.

Yeah the 2018 guy is a top 10 guy in country in 2018. Wants to stay in St. Louis and get other St. Louis players to stay as well.

Unfortunate Crews F'ed up the program this bad but is what it is at this point. A competent coach can turn SLU into top 50 program. I didnt love the Ford hire but he is killing it on recruiting trail right now, I hope he works out.

[Xville]

Mizzou is going to win their second game in a row....sound the trumpets!!! Unfortunately, the streak will end at 2 with arizona coming in this weekend.

[xudash]

Losing to Nova?? It was hardly a bad showing.

I could care less about how well they showed. I obviously was pulling for Nova the entire way.

It was LossSalle's Super Bowl and, as usual, they failed.

They were a terrible conference mate in the A10. I'm just happy we were able to move on and away from programs like that.

[XU 87]

OSU loses to Florida Atlantic.

[xu82]

OSU loses to Florida Atlantic.

I'm feeling better about the Baylor game.

[xubrew]

I could care less about how well they showed. I obviously was pulling for Nova the entire way.

It was LossSalle's Super Bowl and, as usual, they failed.

They were a terrible conference mate in the A10. I'm just happy we were able to move on and away from programs like that.

Well then let's just hope that Georgetown beats them. It might be a struggle. And speaking of horrible conference mates from the A10 days, let's home the Johnnies can avenge last year's loss to Fordham after having the score run up on them.

[Xville]

Duke is so freaking loaded this year...disgusting

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wake wins
Lehigh loses
Mizzou wins
Utah wins

[GoMuskies]

Mizzou wins


Took down our hated rivals, the Miami Redskins.

[xudash]

Well then let's just hope that Georgetown beats them. It might be a struggle. And speaking of horrible conference mates from the A10 days, let's home the Johnnies can avenge last year's loss to Fordham after having the score run up on them.

Yes, let's hope that in both cases.

But the larger, more important point is that it is much better to have Georgetown and St. John's as conference mates than a program like LaSalle.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, let's hope that in both cases.

But the larger, more important point is that it is much better to have Georgetown and St. John's as conference mates than a program like LaSalle.

LaSuck has been to the Sweet Sixteen more recently.:)

[XUMIOH12]

Wake wins
Lehigh loses
Mizzou wins
Utah wins

Lehigh has been struggling a bit so far this year

[xudash]

LaSuck has been to the Sweet Sixteen more recently.:)

I understand that.

I also understand that they suck most of the time. And I also understand, like you and everyone else I would think, that they play in a crap facility and are otherwise not well positioned to be an impactful player over the long term.

I guess, in addition to those realities, I'm still pissed that they cost Thornton his career at Xavier. Turds.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, LaSuck is absolute crap. Here's the ultimate insult: I'd rather be in a league with DePaul.

But those three shining moments at Boise's, K-State's and Ole Miss's expense....do you realize you have to go back 28 years to accumulate three NCAA Tournament wins for DePaul? Twenty-eight years! And one of those was the worst NCAA Tournament game in recorded history against Dayton.

That's got to be depressing.

[xudash]

Yes, LaSuck is absolute crap. Here's the ultimate insult: I'd rather be in a league with DePaul.

But those three shining moments at Boise's, K-State's and Ole Miss's expense....do you realize you have to go back 28 years to accumulate three NCAA Tournament wins for DePaul? Twenty-eight years! And one of those was the worst NCAA Tournament game in recorded history against Dayton.

That's got to be depressing.

Agreed.

When we sucked in the 70's, DePaul and Ray Meyer were kings on the hill, or at least a nationally relevant program. They were arrogant enough to laugh at us when Big Jim was working on putting together a conference solution for Xavier. We were beneath them - then. DePaul and ND under Digger (tool central) were the BMOC's of Catholic colleges in hoops.

I hope DePaul comes back for the sake of the Big East.

But I've had no problem with them taking their time about it.

[GoMuskies]

Living well is the best revenge!

[xudash]

Living well is the best revenge!

Ain't it the truth.

[Juice]

Agreed.

When we sucked in the 70's, DePaul and Ray Meyer were kings on the hill, or at least a nationally relevant program. They were arrogant enough to laugh at us when Big Jim was working on putting together a conference solution for Xavier. We were beneath them - then. DePaul and ND under Digger (tool central) were the BMOC's of Catholic colleges in hoops.

I hope DePaul comes back for the sake of the Big East.

But I've had no problem with them taking their time about it.

You're not the only one to say this but just the most recent. But I honestly don't give a shit if Depaul or St. John's are ever good again. I'm more concerned with whether the conference is good for Xavier. I don't care which teams are good in the Big East just that we have enough good teams to provide Xavier with good games for their resume and for the conference to be held in the esteem that it is now, which is one of the best basketball conferences. Not every team can be good. There are going to be some crap teams in every conference. Would I like St. John's and Depaul to not lose to 250+ RPI/KenPom teams? Absolutely. But honestly, f*ck em. They continue to make bad coaching hires and screw around with their program. It's their fault that the one team hired a retread and it's the other's fault that they hired a former alum/NBA player with no coaching experience. The only positive I can see is their "markets" but I think that's secondary to simply having good teams. The league is getting good coverage with Nova being the defending national champ, Creighton reemerging, Xavier continually being recognized as one of the more consistent programs around, etc.

[X-band '01]

Yes, LaSuck is absolute crap. Here's the ultimate insult: I'd rather be in a league with DePaul.

But those three shining moments at Boise's, K-State's and Ole Miss's expense....do you realize you have to go back 28 years to accumulate three NCAA Tournament wins for DePaul? Twenty-eight years! And one of those was the worst NCAA Tournament game in recorded history against Dayton.

That's got to be depressing.

If you're referencing NCAA Tournament wins in 1987 for DePaul, those are technically vacated wins (like UMass in 1996).

[xubrew]

Agreed.

When we sucked in the 70's, DePaul and Ray Meyer were kings on the hill, or at least a nationally relevant program. They were arrogant enough to laugh at us when Big Jim was working on putting together a conference solution for Xavier. We were beneath them - then. DePaul and ND under Digger (tool central) were the BMOC's of Catholic colleges in hoops.

I hope DePaul comes back for the sake of the Big East.

But I've had no problem with them taking their time about it.

I would prefer that DePaul leave the Big East for the sake of the Big East.

[XUglow]

I would prefer that DePaul leave the Big East for the sake of the Big East.

Truth.

[X-band '01]

Meh, I don't mind having at least one cupcake in what otherwise is a brutal conference schedule. The A-10 and the American have too many of them for their own good.

[Juice]

Meh, I don't mind having at least one cupcake in what otherwise is a brutal conference schedule. The A-10 and the American have too many of them for their own good.

Exactly. Those conferences have too many bottom feeders and their bottom feeders are often too far at the bottom of the NCAA.

[xubrew]

Exactly. Those conferences have too many bottom feeders and their bottom feeders are often too far at the bottom of the NCAA.

I know. The A10 is a bloated league with too many teams that suck and a league office that also sucks. There are some good programs in the league, though. I said this when Xavier was a member and still feel this way. The good programs should venture out on their own and form their own single division 8-10 team conference. There are other good programs out there like Wichita, and Valpo, and Siena, and Monmouth (although I'd be a little hesitant to pick them up because King Rice won't be there forever, and they may be an average program with a strong coach rather than a strong program), and Belmont, just to name a few. They could instantly make life so much better for themselves if they'd venture out and do their own thing. Waiting on the Big East is a mistake because we ain't adding anybody, but they could still build their own league and it would be a pretty good league.

[xubrew]

Butler is struggling on the road against the Trees. I had a feeling they would struggle in this game. I still think they'll pull it out, but they're down early in the second half.

[xubrew]

Outside of the Power Five and Big East, there really isn't much.

Gonzaga and Saint Mary's are solid.

Cincinnati looks like they're solid.

Temple is good some of the time, but it's hard to say whether or not they'll be good enough of the time.

Wichita State should be okay. They have a nice road win at Colorado State at least.

Rhode Island MIGHT be okay, but they had two big games last week in which I felt they needed to win one of them, and they lost both of them. Anyone outside of them would have to run away from the conference to end up inside the bubble, and depending on how it plays out even that may not be enough.

Everyone from the Mountain West is terrible. It looks like Colorado State might have a case to make the field without the auto bid, but right now they're the only ones. San Diego State has road losses to Loyola Chicago and Grand Canyon. A tournament team needs to get at least one of those seeing as how both of them are NIT caliber teams at best, and probably not even that.

I still think Valpo and Chattanooga have an outside shot at the bubble, but they essentially need to win out or come close to it. Same for Monmouth. Had Monmouth not lost at the buzzer to South Carolina it would be a different story, but they don't have the chances at good wins this year the way they did last year, and they came up just short in one of those few chances.

Had IPFW beaten Notre Dame they'd be looking pretty good. Well, they did not beat Notre Dame. In fact they wasted absolutely no time at all not beating Notre Dame.

Middle Tennessee, yes Middle Tennessee, looks pretty good. In fact out of the group of potential bubble teams I think I like them the best.

So, there are four teams that look legit in Saint Mary's, Gonzaga, Cincinnati, and Wichita State. And maybe eight more that could be inside the bubble if they finish really strong. Of those eight, less than half will probably do it. If you like rooting for David in David v Goliath, this really isn't your year.

[GoMuskies]

Gonzaga isn't David. Neither is UC.

[xubrew]

Gonzaga isn't David. Neither is UC.

Neither is Saint Mary's or Wichita. I was referring to everyone else. Probably not clearly referring to them, though.

[GoMuskies]

St. Mary's and Wichita are David.

[xubrew]

I guess it's how you interpret it. When you make the NCAAs as an at-large and make the Round of 32, and consider that a down year, you're not David IMHO.

[xubrew]

Middle Tennessee is really damn good!

[xubrew]

Not a team that I thought would be that good, but Texas Arlington suddenly has road wins at Texas and at Saint Mary's.

[X-band '01]

Saint Mary's got spanked at home by UT-Arlington. That's a big win for the Mavs after failing to pick up wins at Minnesota and Arkansas earlier in the season.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Eastern Washington won

[X-band '01]

It was against non-DI Great Falls, though. Not going to officially count on their record.

[XUMIOH12]

Carlton Bragg arrested for domestic battery, will be interesting to see how that plays out, if true.

[xubrew]

In what has to be one of the more ridiculous things that's happened in at least a week, Portland v Boise State is cancelled tomorrow because Portland is unable to travel due to weather. The game can either be made up later this year, or next year. Okay, that doesn't sound too nuts. But, if they opt to make it up next year, it will count on this year's record. That is completely nuts. They could play a regular season game next year that doesn't count as a regular season game at all, and will actually count for this year.

Boise and Portland should opt to do that if for no other reason than it would be the first time in history that the National Champion did not win the last official game of the season.

Boston College has also lost at home to Hartford. I think Boston College should just decide to no exist anymore.

[xubrew]

I think East Tennessee State wins at Dayton tomorrow. If that happens I'm looking forward to watching everyone here enjoy it.

[Masterofreality]

But Boston College football went a stellar 6-6 and going to a Bowl (?) Game this year. :rolleyes:

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wake Forest won.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In what has to be one of the more ridiculous things that's happened in at least a week, Portland v Boise State is cancelled tomorrow because Portland is unable to travel due to weather. The game can either be made up later this year, or next year. Okay, that doesn't sound too nuts. But, if they opt to make it up next year, it will count on this year's record. That is completely nuts. They could play a regular season game next year that doesn't count as a regular season game at all, and will actually count for this year.

Boise and Portland should opt to do that if for no other reason than it would be the first time in history that the National Champion did not win the last official game of the season.

Boston College has also lost at home to Hartford. I think Boston College should just decide to no exist anymore.

Do you have a link to an article saying that?

[xubrew]

I think East Tennessee State wins at Dayton tomorrow. If that happens I'm looking forward to watching everyone here enjoy it.

Or not...

[xubrew]

Do you have a link to an article saying that?

Actually, no. Someone told me that heard it from someone, which I know sounds unreliable to everyone reading this, but because of who I know it is and who I know that told them I just took it for granted. But, having said that, I can't seem to find it in an article anywhere.

[xubrew]

Outside of the Power Five and Big East, there really isn't much.

Gonzaga and Saint Mary's are solid.

Cincinnati looks like they're solid.

Temple is good some of the time, but it's hard to say whether or not they'll be good enough of the time.

Wichita State should be okay. They have a nice road win at Colorado State at least.

Rhode Island MIGHT be okay, but they had two big games last week in which I felt they needed to win one of them, and they lost both of them. Anyone outside of them would have to run away from the conference to end up inside the bubble, and depending on how it plays out even that may not be enough.


Or not...

[X-band '01]

Or not...

We've said that about Rhody for almost 15 years now. Why is this year any different?

[paulxu]

I blame Jim Gaffigan.

http://www.idahopress.com/blueturfsports/basketball/boise-state-basketball-game-postponed-due-to-portland-travel-issues/article_25a4ea9a-55c0-5fdd-9d75-f3a818cc0f4a.html

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC loses (to Butler)
Mizzou loses
Clemson won
Lehigh won
UNI in a close one currently
Colorado plays tonight

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC loses (to Butler)
Mizzou loses
Clemson won
Lehigh won
UNI in a close one currently
Colorado plays tonight


UNI won
Colorado loses @BYU (most fun game of the year......until BYU's next game)

[X-Fan]

UNI won
Colorado loses @BYU (most fun game of the year......until BYU's next game)
Typical in that Colorado cannot buy a 3 late in the 2nd half, but couldn't miss against X.

[GoMuskies]

BYU is a tough place to play. Much more hostile environment than Boulder.

[X-band '01]

BYU is a tough place to play. Much more hostile environment than Boulder.

Utah Valley didn't get that memo, however.

[paulxu]

Little Mickey is unhappy with the "physicality" of the BE.
And of course "I use to coach in that league."

[X-band '01]

Paul is right:

GoBearcats.com - Mick Cronin Postgame (http://www.gobearcats.com/collegesportslive/?media=543853)

If they couldn't handle Butler, how on earth did they win at Iowa State? That's a much more difficult place to win.

[xubrew]

Little Mickey is unhappy with the "physicality" of the BE.
And of course "I use to coach in that league."

...and he just laid out the perfect blue print on how to beat UC. Nice rant!!

[bleedXblue]

Paul is right:

GoBearcats.com - Mick Cronin Postgame (http://www.gobearcats.com/collegesportslive/?media=543853)

If they couldn't handle Butler, how on earth did they win at Iowa State? That's a much more difficult place to win.

Not sure you watched the game, but ISU plays a different style than Butler AND their coach was a no show at the end if the game......

[GoMuskies]

Paul is right:

GoBearcats.com - Mick Cronin Postgame (http://www.gobearcats.com/collegesportslive/?media=543853)

If they couldn't handle Butler, how on earth did they win at Iowa State? That's a much more difficult place to win.

Because Butler is much better than Iowa State, maybe?

[X-band '01]

I know Iowa State isn't what they were last year, but that is still one of the most difficult places to win in the country.

[XUMIOH12]

I know Iowa State isn't what they were last year, but that is still one of the most difficult places to win in the country.

i dont think iowa st is anywhere close to where they were the last couple years. A tough place to play still, but the team itself is probably above average at best this year.

[XUMIOH12]

also, Western Michigan's Joeviair Kennedy was arrested for the murder (shooting) of another student

[paulxu]

also, Western Michigan's Joeviair Kennedy was arrested for the murder (shooting) of another student

What?

[XUMIOH12]

What?

http://www.mlive.com/news/kalamazoo/index.ssf/2016/12/police_make_arrest_in_fatal_sh.html#incart_2box_ne ws_kalamazoo

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lehigh won

[GoMuskies]

Mike Davis is in town tonight. He's bringing his Texas Southern team to play UC.

This guy once coached in the national title game.

[paulxu]

If you're still in Wichita, I hope this means UC moved to Wichita.
Maybe we'll read less of WATB Mick.

[xubrew]

Oh my god umass, you suck!!!

[xubrew]

Temple v Nova has an eye gouging flow to it. It really is hard to watch without burning your retinas.

[xubrew]

So Morehead State may want to think about a coaching change. Perhaps as soon as possible. They're actually playing right now. Perhaps at the next media timeout, they should make a coaching change. This is the second time Shawn Woods has struck one of his players during a game. In this most recent incident, it was two of his players.

http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2016/12/13/morehead-state-sean-woods-misdemeanor-battery-charge?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

[X-band '01]

I thought he was already suspended earlier this season. Morehead may just be dotting their Is and crossing their Ts before they can dismiss him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC won
Clemson won

[XUMIOH12]

Monmouth vs Memphis was a pretty entertaining game to watch. Fairly close most of the way, although Memphis was in control for the majority of it. Monmouth pulled it out in the last couple minutes. They really needed that win if they want any shot at an at large bid.

[xubrew]

South Carolina beat Monmouth in overtime not just on a last second shot, but something that was so last second that it was some sort of cross between a shot and a tip. If Monmouth holds on to win that game, or if they had gotten it off just 0.2 seconds later, then the entire complexion of their tournament resume changes. A road win against a ranked team could easily end up making the difference.

[XUMIOH12]

South Carolina beat Monmouth in overtime not just on a last second shot, but something that was so last second that it was some sort of cross between a shot and a tip. If Monmouth holds on to win that game, or if they had gotten it off just 0.2 seconds later, then the entire complexion of their tournament resume changes. A road win against a ranked team could easily end up making the difference.

yep

[X-band '01]

South Carolina beat Monmouth in overtime not just on a last second shot, but something that was so last second that it was some sort of cross between a shot and a tip. If Monmouth holds on to win that game, or if they had gotten it off just 0.2 seconds later, then the entire complexion of their tournament resume changes. A road win against a ranked team could easily end up making the difference.

The flip side is that South Carolina wouldn't be ranked had they lost to Monmouth.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Eastern Washington won (in OT)

[scoscox]

Paul is right:

GoBearcats.com - Mick Cronin Postgame (http://www.gobearcats.com/collegesportslive/?media=543853)

If they couldn't handle Butler, how on earth did they win at Iowa State? That's a much more difficult place to win.

Classic Mick. His whole coaching MO for years has been toughness and physicality. Dude will say anything to disparage Xavier. Absolutely resents the respect Xavier gets. I would too though if we had 3,000 people at games still like 15 years Huggins left

[bleedXblue]

700/ Lance McAlister is talking tonight about the abysmal home OOC schedule..........funny, Mick has been at it for years and now its a topic of conversation? No excuse for it. You can bring decent regional teams in from the A-10 and MAC that would love to do home and homes with UC. Dayton, Miami, OU, Ball State, Toledo, Kent State....I could list another 10 schools. Instead its Limscomb.

[American X]

Instead its Limscomb.

Hey, ease up on Mick's baldness. He is treating it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

NDSU won
Baylor won

[GoMuskies]

Baylor's women beat Winthrop 140-32.

[American X]

Baylor's women beat Winthrop 140-32.

I am impressed he scored 32 points by himself and was able to play a basketball game this close to the release of the crop report.

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[muskiefan82]

That's because it wasn't really him. He traded places with a more "athletic" person

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[THRILLHOUSE]

700/ Lance McAlister is talking tonight about the abysmal home OOC schedule..........funny, Mick has been at it for years and now its a topic of conversation? No excuse for it. You can bring decent regional teams in from the A-10 and MAC that would love to do home and homes with UC. Dayton, Miami, OU, Ball State, Toledo, Kent State....I could list another 10 schools. Instead its Limscomb.

To be kind of fair, they did do a home-and-home with Butler and Iowa State. But this year was the year that they were both away games. But even had they scheduled better mid-major and high quality low major games like X did, they probably still would have terrible crowds. They have a good team, but their fans just don't show up unless it's an opponent they've heard of.

[bleedXblue]

To be kind of fair, they did do a home-and-home with Butler and Iowa State. But this year was the year that they were both away games. But even had they scheduled better mid-major and high quality low major games like X did, they probably still would have terrible crowds. They have a good team, but their fans just don't show up unless it's an opponent they've heard of.

true, but the topic was upgrading from teams you have never heard of to at least team regionally that fans would have an interest in seeing. I think they are averaging 6500K fans a game. 50% capacity.

[xubrew]

true, but the topic was upgrading from teams you have never heard of to at least team regionally that fans would have an interest in seeing. I think they are averaging 6500K fans a game. 50% capacity.

I seriously doubt there are actually anywhere close to that many people there. They're using some creating counting methods if they think there are 6500 people at some of those games.

Teams think that they need a minimum number of home games for whatever reason. I would suggest that you don't, especially if you're only half full anyway. You only get so many OOC games, and if everyone wants three-quarters of them to be at home, then everyone is limiting themselves when it comes to scheduling games that are actually intriguing to fans. Most fans are casual fans. They're not diehard fans. They don't want to watch buy games against teams they've never heard of, which is why the place is half empty.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I seriously doubt there are actually anywhere close to that many people there. They're using some creating counting methods if they think there are 6500 people at some of those games.

Teams think that they need a minimum number of home games for whatever reason. I would suggest that you don't, especially if you're only half full anyway. You only get so many OOC games, and if everyone wants three-quarters of them to be at home, then everyone is limiting themselves when it comes to scheduling games that are actually intriguing to fans. Most fans are casual fans. They're not diehard fans. They don't want to watch buy games against teams they've never heard of, which is why the place is half empty.

$$$$$$$$$$$

[paulxu]

How many tickets does UC need to sell to make a home buy game break even?

[D-West & PO-Z]

How many tickets does UC need to sell to make a home buy game break even?

Good question. No idea. But concessions are a huge money maker too. Most of those workers are volunteers from some organization that get to keep donations/tips or whatever. I cant imagine they arent making money every home game, but again that is just a guess.

[X-band '01]

How many tickets does UC need to sell to make a home buy game break even?

Judging by the quality (or lack thereof) of their buy games, it can't be costing them too much.

[American X]

Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis today:

#15 Purdue vs. #21 Notre Dame @ 2pm ET

#9 Indiana vs. #18 Butler @ 5pm ET

First time in history of event all four teams are ranked.

[Masterofreality]

Today the Scourge of College Basketball BeelzeBob Thuggins goes for his 800th win- 300 of which should be vacated due to academic fraud.

I'll have a LOT more to say in the next day or two over this topic in a very long, well researched post.

Git yer popcorn ready.

[X-band '01]

Does this research include his iconic Hawaiian shirt photo?

[bleedXblue]

Cant wait for more Bob Huggins railing!! Have we not moved on from this after 15 years?

[X-Men]

UNI is a lot worse than I thought they were unfortunately. They just keep losing.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Cant wait for more Bob Huggins railing!! Have we not moved on from this after 15 years?

There is absolutely no expiration date on a man who has provided endless material. NEVER will it get old.

[X-band '01]

UNC had enough chances at the end of regulation, but the Russians were unavailable to help them get that to OT.

[xubrew]

Creighton is playing like it's March! They're sweating out Oral Roberts, who is all kinds of suck this year.

And, we're not doing a whole lot better at home against Wake.

[Masterofreality]

Cant wait for more Bob Huggins railing!! Have we not moved on from this after 15 years?

Not as long as that Cheating Charlatan is celebrated in the press. (See DeCourcey & Parrish)
Other than Sports Illustrated no one has held his feet to the fire....or his mouth to his vomit.

[paulxu]

All the BE teams won today.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Baylor won
UC won
Colorado won
Mizzou lost
UNI lost
Utah won

[D-West & PO-Z]

Baylor won (against an NAIA school)
Eastern Washington lost
Clemson won

[bleedXblue]

Creighton is playing like it's March! They're sweating out Oral Roberts, who is all kinds of suck this year.

And, we're not doing a whole lot better at home against Wake.

They won and are undefeated.

[xubrew]

They won and are undefeated.

It was a tongue-in-cheek comment that was probably lost on most people. Throughout his career, Greg Mcdermott is below .500 in the last ten games of the season. It's a rather amazing contrast to how good a lot of his teams have been for the first twenty games of the year. It's like a switch flips once we hit that stretch of the last ten games. So, it's kind of a running joke to say Creighton is playing like it's March whenever they have a crappy game. It's also a running inside joke, that I now realize no one on here would get.

So, just disregard. I often make comments on the season thread that aren't to be taken seriously.

[xubrew]

The power went out at the Troy v Wyoming game. There is a Mountain West rule that if a game is delayed for two hours then it must be postponed. It took them 1hr and 56 minutes to get the power restored. Just in time.

[GoMuskies]

Louisville vs. Kentucky on a random Wednesday night really sucks.

[X-band '01]

Today is the 125th birthday of the game of basketball.

Naturally, the Basketball HOF is celebrating this at the Mohegan Sun with a Fairfield/Boston College and Auburn/Oklahoma doubleheader.

[GoMuskies]

It was a Wednesday night, but at least it was a great game.

[xu82]

It was a Wednesday night, but at least it was a great game.

DAMN! And I've been doing nonsense.....who won?

[GoMuskies]

Louisville by 3. UK missed a 3 at the buzzer. Clean look.

[xu82]

Louisville by 3. UK missed a 3 at the buzzer. Clean look.

I'm only disappointed they coudn't BOTH lose!

[GoMuskies]

My only real rooting interest was under 156. So OT would have killed me.

[xu82]

My son's future in-laws travel to see UK games, even football! I'll have to decide down the road if I want to share my true feelings....

[D-West & PO-Z]

Clemson wins (beat #22 South Carolina)
Baylor wins
UNI loses
Mizzou loses

[XUMIOH12]

it was a pretty entertaining night of basketball. several very good games to watch

[GoMuskies]

Utah is currently taking a beating at the hands of San Francisco in Hawai'i.

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC wins
Lehigh wins
Eastern Washington loses (to Colorado)
Colorado wins (beat Eastern Washington)
Wake wins

[XUMIOH12]

Utah is currently taking a beating at the hands of San Francisco in Hawai'i.

Utah got completely screwed with that offensive foul against them with 2 seconds left. Kuzma got injured in the first minutes, and the Dons absolutely shot the lights out going 16/28 from 3.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not a whole lot of action until Tuesday. 4 games Christmas in D 1 and 1 Monday. Of note for X tomorrow Utah plays SFA at 12:30.

[bobbiemcgee]

Clemson beat SC

[paulxu]

Nebraska over IU, at IU.

[muskiefan82]

Nebraska over IU, at IU.

Good.

[X-band '01]

xubrew will be in here to talk about Tim Miles in 3...2...1...

[D-West & PO-Z]

NDSU won
Wake lost
Clemson won

[Masterofreality]

Nebraska over IU, at IU.

#CREANED

In other news, Kent State went TO Texas and won...thereby certifying that #Havoc sucks. Keep on with that gimmick basketball, though Shaka. Got you that big dollar job.

Finally, tonight Temple and SucKS is sending basketball back to peach baskets. The BoreCats remain horrible offensively and Temple can't hit the Broad side of Broad Street. Just horrific basketball. A lot of reckless flailing. By the way, YTG's team only shoots 63% from the free throw line along with not being able to score. Terrible

[XUMIOH12]

UCLA at Oregon was one of the better games of the year. Very entertaining game capped off with a 3 with .8 seconds left to give Oregon an 89-87 win

[XU 87]

#CREANED


Finally, tonight Temple and SucKS is sending basketball back to peach baskets. The BoreCats remain horrible offensively and Temple can't hit the Broad side of Broad Street. Just horrific basketball. A lot of reckless flailing. By the way, YTG's team only shoots 63% from the free throw line along with not being able to score. Terrible

I watched part of that game yesterday. It is just AWFUL basketball to watch. Temple's offense consists of two passes and then someone goes one on one and throws up a bad shot. UC's offense isn't much better.

I also "enjoy" watching Cronin constantly telling his point guard to "slow down".

[D-West & PO-Z]

NDSU won
Wake lost
Clemson won

Also last night:

UC won
UNI lost

[D-West & PO-Z]

Mizzou lost

[STL_XUfan]

We go to Mizzou Arena for a live look in on the Mizzou basketball program:


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/521/DumpsterFire2.jpg


(Please god let them fire Kim Anderson as soon as possible)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Last night:
Baylor won
Lehigh won
Eastern Washington won

[D-West & PO-Z]

Today:
Clemson won (beat Wake)
Wake lost
NDSU won

[Xville]

We go to Mizzou Arena for a live look in on the Mizzou basketball program:


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/521/DumpsterFire2.jpg


(Please god let them fire Kim Anderson as soon as possible)

Never thought id ever see it this bad. Mizzou was never an elite program but they were always respectable....this is just sad.

[Juice]

Never thought id ever see it this bad. Mizzou was never an elite program but they were always respectable....this is just sad.

Never hire Frank Haith. They deserve this.

[X-band '01]

We go to Mizzou Arena for a live look in on the Mizzou basketball program:


http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/021/521/DumpsterFire2.jpg



This can also sum up the state of Syracuse basketball right now. Boston College is drilling the Orange right now.

Forget "Will They Win a Road Game All Year," will they beat anyone in the ACC? DePaul wishes they could play Syracuse.

[Juice]

Syracuse is currently getting their ass beat by Boston College.

[GoMuskies]

Syracuse is currently getting their ass beat by Boston College.

I think the cat's out of the bag on Syracuse being awful.

[D-West & PO-Z]

UC won
UNI lost (seems to be a recurrent issue)
Utah won (beat Colorado)
Colorado lost (obviously)

[bleedXblue]

I think the cat's out of the bag on Syracuse being awful.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy in Boeheim.

[Masterofreality]

I know that UCon won a National 'Ship amazingly after they entered the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC With Calhoun's leftover players, all of which are long gone, but the fall of Syracuse, who somehow made a Final 4 last year with crap, and UCon since they both lost their protected egg of the BESPN national screaming pimping in the former Big East is stunning.

Now that The Cuse is in the ACC they're screwed and Boeheeem who has been the magical wizard up there (through questionable recruiting for years) is heading down the age chute. Kevin Ollie is following the Randy Ayers history at Ohio State of winning big with the previous guys players but failing miserably with his own in a abjectly terrible league with Tulane and East Carolina as the flagships. :crazy:

This really is set up that if St. John's can truly get its act together, The Big East, with Seton Hall as well, can dominate NY City area basketball for a long time. There are Bad Moons rising in Syracuse and Storrs, despite the four letter network's prodding.

[X-band '01]

Big ACC development - Mike Krzyzewski will undergo surgery for a herniated disc in his back and will be out indefinitely. Jeff Capel will take over as interim head coach in his absence.

[GoMuskies]

When did Pete Gaudet change his name to Jeff Capel?

[bleedXblue]

Big ACC development - Mike Krzyzewski will undergo surgery for a herniated disc in his back and will be out indefinitely. Jeff Capel will take over as interim head coach in his absence.

man he has had some issues with his back.........might be time for him to hang it up. What is he 70?

[X-band '01]

When did Pete Gaudet change his name to Jeff Capel?

That was my first thought, but this is a much more talented team than the one he had in 1994-95. Capel was actually a sophomore on that team, so he knows that this can get ugly in a heartbeat. At least that team just had a talent problem, not a headcase like Grayson Allen.

[JTG]

Big ACC development - Mike Krzyzewski will undergo surgery for a herniated disc in his back and will be out indefinitely. Jeff Capel will take over as interim head coach in his absence.

When the going gets tough, the tough have back surgery.

[waggy]

Nebraska off to a 2-0 start in the B1G - both W's on the road against good teams. Following the Maryland win Tim Miles mentioned Coach Mack helped him with their 1-3-1 zone.

[Juice]

This is absolute bullshit.

Jon RothsteinVerified account
‏@JonRothstein
NCAA: Selection Committee will take Coach K's absence into account for NCAA Tournament seed. STORY @FanRagSports:

They better take into account X without Kaiser and Myles then.

[GoMuskies]

They did the same thing for Syracuse when they blew without a suspended Boeheim.

[X-band '01]

This is absolute bullshit.

Jon RothsteinVerified account
‏@JonRothstein
NCAA: Selection Committee will take Coach K's absence into account for NCAA Tournament seed. STORY @FanRagSports:

They better take into account X without Kaiser and Myles then.

Sympathy for a suspended star player? Not from the committee. Gotta think of another excuse.

Sympathy for back surgery? That's GOLD, Jerry! Can I get a Friday appointment? I know Capel won't wet the bed against Boston College the next day.

My favorite comment was on CBS' website - someone had Grayson Allen going into Coach K's hospital room after surgery with a reinstatement form. "What am I signing again?"

[D-West & PO-Z]

Clemson lost a close one in OT to UNC

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wake wins

[waggy]

I remember when X was in the A10 and I would stress over OOC opponent results, because the innerconference SOS warranted it. Things are a bit different now. RPI Forecast projects the OOC SOS to land in the top 15, and the overall SOS to land in the top 10.

[GoMuskies]

I remember when X was in the A10 and I would stress over OOC opponent results, because the innerconference SOS warranted it. Things are a bit different now. RPI Forecast projects the OOC SOS to land in the top 15, and the overall SOS to land in the top 10.

I really only worried about it in the few years we kinda sucked and were on the Bubble. The A-10 treated us just fine in years in which we actually had a good team.

[waggy]

I really only worried about it in the few years we kinda sucked and were on the Bubble. The A-10 treated us just fine in years in which we actually had a good team.

True.

[xu82]

It's nice when some things are so good you don't have to worry about them.

[GoMuskies]

How did the refs miss that walk on KU at the end of the game?!? Stevie Wonder saw it.

[XUFan09]

How did the refs miss that walk on KU at the end of the game?!? Stevie Wonder saw it.
My first reaction was, "Wow, what a play." At a new angle, my second reaction was, "Wow, what a clear travel."

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[XUMIOH12]

How did the refs miss that walk on KU at the end of the game?!? Stevie Wonder saw it.

no idea. it is pretty inexcusable to miss such a blatant travel

[GoMuskies]

Here's the video evidence. I don't think I've seen a more blatant missed travel call other than Trevon taking about 8 steps on an inbounds play against Wake when the official happily apparently forgot the rule in our favor.

https://vine.co/v/5VW3lZ2xl9t

[Xville]

Grayson Allen back after a one game suspension...what an effing joke coach k and duke is.

[AviatorX]

Grayson Allen back after a one game suspension...what an effing joke coach k and duke is.

How long do you think he should have been suspended for? Admittedly, not great optics to call it an indefinite suspension and then keep it to 1 game.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Jalen Brunson has made the transition from freshman to sophomore look easy. Damn...Ryan who?

[Xville]

How long do you think he should have been suspended for? Admittedly, not great optics to call it an indefinite suspension and then keep it to 1 game.

Considering this is the third time he has done it in a year, much linger than one gam. Its a joke it was only one

[xu82]

My first reaction was, "Wow, what a play." At a new angle, my second reaction was, "Wow, what a clear travel."

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Twice......



(Almost)

[Muskie]

Butler is hanging with Villanova


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[xeus]

Butler is hanging with Villanova


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This is a great game. Gosh I love this league.

[BMoreX]

Down goes Nova. That should do it

[ron meXico]

Already having clock issues...

Give it some time wait till later so it's not so obvious

[BMoreX]

Can't wait to see the fuss if they storm the court especially after 5. Xavier over 1. Villanova didn't.

[JTG]

No one looks forward to playing at Hinkle unless they have a
death wish.

[bleedXblue]

they will storm for sure......its Butler........small time

[xeus]

Can't wait to see the fuss if they storm the court especially after 5. Xavier over 1. Villanova didn't.

Ha. Yep, there they go! Act like you've been there before Butler. (Although, in fairness, that is only Butler's 2nd win over a #1 ranked team in program history...)

[X-Fan]

they will storm for sure......its Butler........small time
Yep. You guys called it. Act like you've been there.

[Muskie in dayton]

they will storm for sure......its Butler........small time

Once they've been to 2 National Championship games they'll realize how bush league that looks.

Oh, wait, nevermind.

[Emp]

More clock shenanigans.

I don't get the high horse comments about rushing the court when your team beats the top ranked team and the league's flagship. College students, come on.

[BMoreX]

But seriously Big East, make them fire that fucking clock operator. It's absurd.

[X-band '01]

Or maybe we're saying this because Xavier students wisely chose not to rush the floor at Cintas last year?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Did they chose not to though or were they just not allowed?

I have no issues with court storming most of the time.

When we beat St. Joes in A10 tourney lots of X fans stormed the court. I get we were at different point in program history at that time but still.

[Emp]

Emp posts twice then rushes the board. No class.

[X-band '01]

Did they chose not to though or were they just not allowed?

I have no issues with court storming most of the time.

When we beat St. Joes in A10 tourney lots of X fans stormed the court. I get we were at different point in program history at that time but still.

Neither of those games were at Cintas (2004 and 2006), and those wins cemented NCAA bids.

I also heard that Butler will be facing a token fine from the Big East ($5,000) for the court storming. Not nearly as bad as what SEC and Pac 12 schools pay for similar situations.

[Emp]

But seriously Big East, make them fire that fucking clock operator. It's absurd.

I believe the operator and the students need to reflect seriously on their conduct. Perhaps a mandatory convocation.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Under zero circumstances should anybody rush the court. It Bush League and that was a bush league move by Futler. They have been to back 2 back NC, you don't rush the court period. If you're ire a mid major like VD then it's okay but not Futler. Great win though!!!!

[Emp]

Who wears short shorts?

St Johns. My gawd.

[RetireFiftyTu]

Don't get why people make such a big deal about storming the court. Especially when it comes to Butler and Xavier and "class" or "acting like you've been there before." Who gives a damn. The court storming by the Butler students will be one of the highlights of their time in college. Let the kids have fun. And the Xavier students would most likely have stormed the court last year if they were able to. It's pretty difficult to storm the court at Cintas.

[Xville]

Seriously its college students. Get a grip people who cares....class? Geezus some of you take life way too seriously...must be a blast at parties.

[AviatorX]

Under zero circumstances should anybody rush the court. It Bush League and that was a bush league move by Futler. They have been to back 2 back NC, you don't rush the court period. If you're ire a mid major like VD then it's okay but not Futler. Great win though!!!!

Lol. Spoken like someone who has never experienced a court storming. It's pretty fun and memorable.

[STL_XUfan]

Don't get why people make such a big deal about storming the court. Especially when it comes to Butler and Xavier and "class" or "acting like you've been there before." Who gives a damn. The court storming by the Butler students will be one of the highlights of their time in college. Let the kids have fun. And the Xavier students would most likely have stormed the court last year if they were able to. It's pretty difficult to storm the court at Cintas.

I stormed the court at X (US Bank over St. Joe) and the field at Mizzou (over #1 Oklahoma). Screw class, it is college students, let them have their fun.

[gladdenguy]

Nice job by Baylor to avoid a loss to Iowa St. at home. Especially good because sUCks beat Iowa St.

[powerofX]

Tulsa at Houston tonight. Wow. The Houston home crowd makes DePaul games look full.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Don't get why people make such a big deal about storming the court. Especially when it comes to Butler and Xavier and "class" or "acting like you've been there before." Who gives a damn. The court storming by the Butler students will be one of the highlights of their time in college. Let the kids have fun. And the Xavier students would most likely have stormed the court last year if they were able to. It's pretty difficult to storm the court at Cintas.

Agree. Most college students havent "been there before".

[X-band '01]

Tulsa at Houston tonight. Wow. The Houston home crowd makes DePaul games look full.

I had hopes for Houston possibly making the NCAA Tournament this season. They're disqualified if they lose to a Frank Haith-coached team, though.

[MuskiePimp23]

Or maybe we're saying this because Xavier students wisely chose not to rush the floor at Cintas last year?

Xavier students have NEVER rushed the floor at the Cintas Center. EVER. The last floor rushing was either the NIT win over Princeton in 1999 or the victory over uc in 1999. They were both at the Cincinnati Gardens.

We aren't in the MCC any longer and Butler isn't in the Horizon league. They should act like it. They have been to 2 National Title games and rush the floor? That screams of small time. Not surprising and another reason to hate Butler.

It will be that much more satisfying when we beat them at Hinkle in a week and a half.

[MuskiePimp23]

Don't get why people make such a big deal about storming the court. Especially when it comes to Butler and Xavier and "class" or "acting like you've been there before." Who gives a damn. The court storming by the Butler students will be one of the highlights of their time in college. Let the kids have fun. And the Xavier students would most likely have stormed the court last year if they were able to. It's pretty difficult to storm the court at Cintas.

Storming the court is bush league. It looks that way and it is dangerous. It is stupid and leagues should fine schools absurdly high $ amounts to prevent it. I hope Xavier NEVER storms the court at Cintas. Ever. It just should not happen. Period.

[Xville]

Xavier students have NEVER rushed the floor at the Cintas Center. EVER. The last floor rushing was either the NIT win over Princeton in 1999 or the victory over uc in 1999. They were both at the Cincinnati Gardens.

We aren't in the MCC any longer and Butler isn't in the Horizon league. They should act like it. They have been to 2 National Title games and rush the floor? That screams of small time. Not surprising and another reason to hate Butler.

It will be that much more satisfying when we beat them at Hinkle in a week and a half.

Oh my gawd seriously get off my lawn! Xavier students would have rushed the court on numerous occassions had they been able to. The set up and the security pretty much makes it impossible. Why do you care so.much about what it looks like? Who gives a shit

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah lets not pretend like Xavier students have some have made some conscious decision not to be "small time". They arent rushing because it is prevented at Cintas.

[RetireFiftyTu]

Xavier students have NEVER rushed the floor at the Cintas Center. EVER. The last floor rushing was either the NIT win over Princeton in 1999 or the victory over uc in 1999. They were both at the Cincinnati Gardens.

We aren't in the MCC any longer and Butler isn't in the Horizon league. They should act like it. They have been to 2 National Title games and rush the floor? That screams of small time. Not surprising and another reason to hate Butler.

It will be that much more satisfying when we beat them at Hinkle in a week and a half.

This is exactly what I mean. Who cares about it being "small time." Those 18-22 year old kids don't give a damn about small time. Their school just beat the No. 1 team in the nation on a 20+ game win streak, the defending national champs, went 38-3 the last 365 days. Do you really think these kids are thinking about how some dude on a message board will react? No they are doing it because it is fun and they will remember it for the rest of their lives. That's what it's all about.

[Xville]

Ok time for kim anderson to go at mizzou...geezus i didnt think there could be a coach worse than haith..missouri found one. Sheel out some money and get a halfway decent coach in there.

[GoMuskies]

Has JTIII been fired yet? If not, why not?

[MuskiePimp23]

Oh my gawd seriously get off my lawn! Xavier students would have rushed the court on numerous occassions had they been able to. The set up and the security pretty much makes it impossible. Why do you care so.much about what it looks like? Who gives a shit

When I was an 18-22 year old student, I refused to rush the court because I thought it was bush league then and I still do. I want this program to win the whole damn thing and compete with programs like Villanova, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Louisville, etc. I have never seen any of those programs in recent memory rush the court. It is small time. I think it looks small time to recruits. If we are recruiting guys who want to play in a big time league, the Big East with aspirations of going to a Final Four and winning the whole damn thing, I wish we would act like it.

Get off your high horse. I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't call you out for with such a drastic quote. This is a message board and everyone is entitled to their opinion on this issue. I think it screams of small time and makes Butler look foolish.

[Juice]

When I was an 18-22 year old student, I refused to rush the court because I thought it was bush league then and I still do. I want this program to win the whole damn thing and compete with programs like Villanova, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Louisville, etc. I have never seen any of those programs in recent memory rush the court. It is small time. I think it looks small time to recruits. If we are recruiting guys who want to play in a big time league, the Big East with aspirations of going to a Final Four and winning the whole damn thing, I wish we would act like it.

Get off your high horse. I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't call you out for with such a drastic quote. This is a message board and everyone is entitled to their opinion on this issue. I think it screams of small time and makes Butler look foolish.

I highly doubt recruits give a shit if students rush the court. In fact, it's most likely a good thing because it shows players and students having something called fun.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I highly doubt recruits give a shit if students rush the court. In fact, it's most likely a good thing because it shows players and students having something called fun.

Ha, yeah, I'm sure all of Butler's top recruiting targets just crossed Butler off their list tonight after seeing the students rush the court after that win over #1 Nova.

[THRILLHOUSE]

When I was an 18-22 year old student, I refused to rush the court because I thought it was bush league then and I still do. I want this program to win the whole damn thing and compete with programs like Villanova, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Louisville, etc. I have never seen any of those programs in recent memory rush the court.

Villanova:

http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nova-court-storm.jpg

North Carolina:

http://i.imgur.com/ATK6Wzv.jpg

Duke:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/668702/e5aa3b45-c48b-486d-9af3-1c860d1e1345.jpg

Louisville:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/2070931/alg-sosa-jubi-jpg_medium.jpg

[OTRMUSKIE]

All those pictures are bush league photos. Duke is Bush League then. BUSH!!!!!!!!!! BUSH!!!!!!!

[paulxu]

Let's rush the court at Hinkle when we win there.

That'll show 'em.

[MuskiePimp23]

Villanova:

http://www.thecardinalconnect.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nova-court-storm.jpg

North Carolina:

http://i.imgur.com/ATK6Wzv.jpg

Duke:

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/668702/e5aa3b45-c48b-486d-9af3-1c860d1e1345.jpg

Louisville:

http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/2070931/alg-sosa-jubi-jpg_medium.jpg

I said in recent memory. Louisville's court rush is obviously at Freedom Hall. When are some of these other court rushings? Nova's looks ancient. Funny that Duke's was a win over Va Tech.

[Juice]

I said in recent memory. Louisville's court rush is obviously at Freedom Hall. When are some of these other court rushings? Nova's looks ancient. Funny that Duke's was a win over Va Tech.

Yeah because these teams didn't have national championships at these time either.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I said in recent memory. Louisville's court rush is obviously at Freedom Hall. When are some of these other court rushings? Nova's looks ancient. Funny that Duke's was a win over Va Tech.

Every picture I posted happened after 3 of those programs had already won MULTIPLE titles, and Nova at least having one title.

Nova's "ancient" court storm. Yep, from those wayback ancient days of...2013! (they actually stormed the court TWICE that week - vs Louisville & Syracuse)

And yes, Louisville's was at Freedom Hall. But wasn't like it was during the Denny Crum days, it was from 2010.

[Xville]

Every picture I posted happened after 3 of those programs had already won MULTIPLE titles, and Nova at least having one title.

Nova's "ancient" court storm. Yep, from those wayback ancient days of...2013! (they actually stormed the court TWICE that week - vs Louisville & Syracuse)
And yes, Louisville's was at Freedom Hall. But wasn't like it was during the Denny Crum days, it was from 2010.

Also, trust me, Louisville would have stormed the court numerous times at the Yum Center but again like most newer arenas, the design and the security has basically made it impossible.

I just don't understand the elitist opinion of storming the court is bush league or act like you have been there before....its college kids for the most part. Let them have some fun...like I said some of you must be really fun at parties.

And I Know this is harsh, and Xavier does get quite a bit of pub now they are in the Big East, but you know what can make them big time? Make a freaking Final Four...that is stopping them way more from being a big time program than what a court storming could do.

[nuts4xu]

Xavier students have NEVER rushed the floor at the Cintas Center. EVER. The last floor rushing was either the NIT win over Princeton in 1999 or the victory over uc in 1999. They were both at the Cincinnati Gardens.


I rushed the floor at ud Arena in 2004 after a huge victory over the Flyers to win the A-10 tourney, and send us to the NCAA tourney.

How we carry ourselves has little to no impact on the program. "they should act like it"?? WTF are you talking about? If Butler fans act like they are big time, it doesn't make it so. They act the same now as they did when they played for 2 NC's in 2 years, and it hasn't hurt their program.

Jesus dude, you need to lighten up.

[Tardy Turtle]

When I was an 18-22 year old student, I refused to rush the court because I thought it was bush league then and I still do.

https://cdn.meme.am/images/300x/1166079.jpg

All, please note... this is how to be a superior Xavier fan.

[STL_XUfan]

When I was an 18-22 year old student, I refused to rush the court because I thought it was bush league then and I still do.

I have found lost footage from MuskiePimp refusing to rush the floor:

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs4/1338544_o.gif

[xubrew]

Storming the court is a small time and bush-league thing to do.

But, coming to a message board and talking about how programs are small time and bush league because they rush the court is really big time!!!

In all seriousness, in case this wasn't obvious, I don't think it's bush league to storm the court. My opinion is more or less whatever. But, I do think it's kind of bush league to talk about how other teams are bush league on the basis that they stormed the court.

[MauriceX]

Xavier students have NEVER rushed the floor at the Cintas Center. EVER.


While it is true that we have never rushed the court at Cintas in the truest sense, I do remember there was a time when I was a student where they had an "organized storm the court event" where they let students single file onto the court after like our 3rd straight regular season A-10 championship. The process was super lame (security opening up and directing you to rush the court?) but it was a memorable experience being out there while the team cut down the net.

Not that anyone asked for my opinion, but hey, it's a messageboard! So here it is! I like storming the court as long as it is an in the moment type of thing. A last second buzzer beater over a rival, barely squeaking out a win after a miraculous comeback, etc. When the final three possessions are all free throws from intentional fouls, there isn't as much of a reason to storm the court. The amount of insane excitement just isn't there. It has just become the norm around college sports to rush the court after beating a number one team, whether it is by 20 or by 1 at the buzzer. And I don't like that.

[MuskiePimp23]

While it is true that we have never rushed the court at Cintas in the truest sense, I do remember there was a time when I was a student where they had an "organized storm the court event" where they let students single file onto the court after like our 3rd straight regular season A-10 championship. The process was super lame (security opening up and directing you to rush the court?) but it was a memorable experience being out there while the team cut down the net.

Not that anyone asked for my opinion, but hey, it's a messageboard! So here it is! I like storming the court as long as it is an in the moment type of thing. A last second buzzer beater over a rival, barely squeaking out a win after a miraculous comeback, etc. When the final three possessions are all free throws from intentional fouls, there isn't as much of a reason to storm the court. The amount of insane excitement just isn't there. It has just become the norm around college sports to rush the court after beating a number one team, whether it is by 20 or by 1 at the buzzer. And I don't like that.

That was different. Mack invited not only students, but anyone onto the floor for cutting down the nets for winning the A-10 regular season title. I would not consider that a court storming.

[MuskiePimp23]

Also, trust me, Louisville would have stormed the court numerous times at the Yum Center but again like most newer arenas, the design and the security has basically made it impossible.

I just don't understand the elitist opinion of storming the court is bush league or act like you have been there before....its college kids for the most part. Let them have some fun...like I said some of you must be really fun at parties.

And I Know this is harsh, and Xavier does get quite a bit of pub now they are in the Big East, but you know what can make them big time? Make a freaking Final Four...that is stopping them way more from being a big time program than what a court storming could do.

It has nothing to do with an "Elitist" opinion. I was of the same opinion when I was a kid at Xavier that I am today. It looks and has always looked bush league and is dangerous. I am not the only person of this opinion. I think Banners does a good job of presenting this argument in this article below:

http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2017/1/5/14179380/butler-just-cant-shake-being-a-mid-major-villanova-
court-storming

I also completely agree with you on making a Final Four. I really hope we can get there this year and while we're there win 2 more games.

[STL_XUfan]

That was different. Mack invited not only students, but anyone onto the floor for cutting down the nets for winning the A-10 regular season title. I would not consider that a court storming.

The womens A10 title at Cintas had a court storming. If memory serves me correct it was lead by the Men's Team.

[LA Muskie]

When I was an 18-22 year old student, I refused to rush the court because I thought it was bush league then and I still do. I want this program to win the whole damn thing and compete with programs like Villanova, Duke, Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas, Louisville, etc. I have never seen any of those programs in recent memory rush the court. It is small time. I think it looks small time to recruits. If we are recruiting guys who want to play in a big time league, the Big East with aspirations of going to a Final Four and winning the whole damn thing, I wish we would act like it.

Get off your high horse. I don't agree with your opinion, but I don't call you out for with such a drastic quote. This is a message board and everyone is entitled to their opinion on this issue. I think it screams of small time and makes Butler look foolish.

Here's the thing: acting like you've been there before generally requires actually having been there before. Until then (at a minimum) enjoy the ride!

I'm also fine with Butler fans storming the court. Even though, unlike us, they HAVE been there before. Because I'd much rather have a conference full of passionate fans (or at least mostly full...yes I'm looking at you, DePaul...) than boring and complacent fans.

So congrats Butler. For beating #1. And for giving your fans something to go "over the top" about. They're laughing their way to the bank (i.e., bar) while we debate whether they showed the requisite degree of class...


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[MuskiePimp23]

Here's the thing: acting like you've been there before generally requires actually having been there before. Until then (at a minimum) enjoy the ride!

I'm also fine with Butler fans storming the court. Even though, unlike us, they HAVE been there before. Because I'd much rather have a conference full of passionate fans (or at least mostly full...yes I'm looking at you, DePaul...) than boring and complacent fans.

So congrats Butler. For beating #1. And for giving your fans something to go "over the top" about. They're laughing their way to the bank (i.e., bar) while we debate whether they showed the requisite degree of class...


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Butler has been to the Final Four/Championship game before, but this was only the second time they have beaten the #1 team in the country. Xavier has done it 4 times including last year and when we did it Fox Sports 1 showed that we had either one of the most wins or best records against the #1 team in the country over the last 20 years or so (having beaten #1 uc twice in 1996 and 1999, and also beating #1 St. Joe's in 2004, to go along with Nova last year). So we have a history of beating the #1 team in the country, both at home, on the road and neutral courts. This was only Butler's 2nd all time win versus a #1 ranked team. The Final Four/National Runner Up though would trump beating #1 during the regular season for me. I agree, that I would rather have passionate fans than no fans or folks who are not passionate, but I disagree with the court storming for reasons I have already mentioned.

[xubrew]

I was at a bar when we beat West Virginia in the 2008 to advance to the Elite Eight. The whole place was going crazy, it was awesome, but yet there was one table with a group of guys yelling at everyone to act like they've been there before. At a bar. Yelling that. I'm not kidding. I just started laughing at them because for the life of me I cannot think of who it was they were trying to impress, and why people celebrating in a bar would fall short of impressing them.

Feeling a need to act like you've been there before in and of itself is not acting like you've been there before. Act like you've been there before?? For who?? So is criticizing other people for not acting like they've been there before, especially if they actually have been there before, which Butler has.

When Germany won the last World Cup, they went completely crazy! American college basketball fans are the only people on the planet who would have criticized them for being small time for not "acting like they'd been there before."

[muskiefan82]

I could see a scenario where Xavier clinches a Big East regular season championship at home (the FIRST one) and the students and fans pour on to the court to celebrate. Xavier has won conference championships before, but the first Big East championship would be a time that I could see this happening and that would be okay with me. Fans are invested. We want to celebrate too. When X beat Villanova last year, people stayed and celebrated in the stands. If it had been easy to get on the floor, I believe that would have happened. It isn't about pride or class or expecting to win, it's about celebrating the moment that you win a game that no one thought you would, or something amazing happens at the end that makes it exciting enough to celebrate. When X hit that last second shot in the 2008 Puerto Rico Shootout I think I would have run on to the court. It's about celebrating, not acting like it's no big deal. If you want to sit on your hands and say "I expected this and it is not a big deal" if X beats Villanova/Creighton/Butler at home this year, fine, but I will be acting like a fool because even though I might think it is going to happen, if it does I will be ecstatic for my team and this year.

Saying all that, if we ever storm the court after beating DePaul, I will take all of this back.

[paulxu]

Pitt beats #11 Virginia, then plays Syracuse today.

Currently trailing Syracuse by 26, with 4 minutes left in the first half.

[xubrew]

Butler can beat #1 seeds at home (Villanova), but struggles to beat NIT teams or worse (Indiana State, Saint John's, and now Georgetown) in true road games.

[Lloyd Braun]

Clemson did a nice job of scheduling this year. They will be in solid shape at the end of the year and a nice W for X's resume.

[X-band '01]

While the Georgia-Missouri game itself was blah, the fracas involving the players AND coaches at halftime was fantastic.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Clemson did a nice job of scheduling this year. They will be in solid shape at the end of the year and a nice W for X's resume.

Yeah too bad they couldnt get one of those close games against UNC and ND.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Baylor won
Clemson lost
Mizzou lost
Buffalo won
Utah won
EWU lost

UC playing now
Colorado playing now

[xubrew]

Yeah too bad they couldnt get one of those close games against UNC and ND.

They really could have, and perhaps should have, won both of them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Baylor won

UC playing now
Colorado playing now

UC won
Colorado lost to Zona

[D-West & PO-Z]

They really could have, and perhaps should have, won both of them.

Yes, they could have. That would have been really awesome for X.

[Masterofreality]

From Anthony Lima- Ohio State reporter on .923 The Fan radio in Cleveland:
"Finding it increasingly hard to believe Thad will be back next year. Program on life support and no Thad 5 (or even Thad 1) on horizon"

Oh-ho-ho State is a joke and Beaknoses' deal with Satan has run its course. Payback is hell.

[AviatorX]

From Anthony Lima- Ohio State reporter on .923 The Fan radio in Cleveland:
"Finding it increasingly hard to believe Thad will be back next year. Program on life support and no Thad 5 (or even Thad 1) on horizon"

Oh-ho-ho State is a joke and Beaknoses' deal with Satan has run its course. Payback is hell.

Personally, as a Xavier fan, I'm cool with Thad and Pitino hanging out at their current jobs as long as possible.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wake lost
Lehigh won
UNI lost

[GoMuskies]

The long nightmare of a basketball season continued for UNI today. They got mauled at home by the Shockers to fall to 0-4 in the MVC.

[XUFan09]

The long nightmare of a basketball season continued for UNI today. They got mauled at home by the Shockers to fall to 0-4 in the MVC.
What an incredible disappointment of a two-time opponent. I'm sure it's so much worse for their previously hopeful fans.

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