View Full Version : NCAA Pulling 2017 Tournament out of Greensboro
xubrew
09-12-2016, 07:33 PM
Per their Twitter account....
https://twitter.com/NCAA/status/775470620163407873
How much pain has to be inflicted before they figure it out?
X-band '01
09-12-2016, 08:44 PM
Now let's get the first and second rounds to either Columbia or Greenville. PaulXU will be sending gift baskets of beer, bourbon and Bojangles to make this happen!
Muskie
09-12-2016, 08:55 PM
Unconfirmed quote from Coach K:
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
Now let's get the first and second rounds to either Columbia or Greenville. PaulXU will be sending gift baskets of beer, bourbon and Bojangles to make this happen!
Greenville would be awesome! Great city, not far from me and I can sleep at my brother-in-laws. Love Greenville.
X-band '01
09-12-2016, 09:02 PM
Unconfirmed quote from Coach K:
"I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened."
Ironically, he might be relieved - there's going to be less pressure on Duke to get upset against a team like Lehigh or Mercer out of state.
paulxu
09-12-2016, 10:29 PM
Now let's get the first and second rounds to either Columbia or Greenville. PaulXU will be sending gift baskets of beer, bourbon and Bojangles to make this happen!
I'm all over this. Bring it on. Just put the Muskies in this region.
94GRAD
09-12-2016, 10:41 PM
How about this response from the NCGOP
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/775510712160518144
xubrew
09-13-2016, 09:47 AM
How about this response from the NCGOP
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/775510712160518144
WOW! That is a pretty direct hit. I'm against the HB2 laws because I don't really see the point, but that's a pretty hard smack that was delivered.
X-band '01
09-13-2016, 10:19 AM
Mark Emmert was also doing a follow-up interview on CBS This Morning in regards to the Greensboro fallout. Unfortunately for him, there was one comment from the NCGOP that may well have legs - he was not rigid/definitive enough according to the panelists in regards to Baylor's rape scandal.
Mark Emmert Interview (http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/ncaa-president-on-pulling-championships-from-north-carolina-over-hb2-bathroom-law/)
bobbiemcgee
09-14-2016, 10:10 PM
Duke vs XU @ Cintas?
xubrew
09-15-2016, 12:12 AM
Duke doesn't play OOC road games unless it's the Big Ten/ACC Challenge. They actually don't play home and homes. They play buy games, exempt tournament games, and neutral floor games. That's pretty much it. Even when they do play a conference road game against a team like Saint John's or Temple, it's not really a true road game. They don't play them on campus, and they get quite a few tickets. I think the last actual home and home that they played was against Michigan back in 08 and 09.
So, probably not.
It's easy to hate Duke, so I do.
Xville
09-15-2016, 10:08 AM
WOW! That is a pretty direct hit. I'm against the HB2 laws because I don't really see the point, but that's a pretty hard smack that was delivered.
I don't know about all the details regarding the law, but I believe that one of the details is that it allows a transgender person to go into whatever bathroom it identifies with. So, if they have male parts but identify as a woman, they can go to the woman's restroom. That opens up a whole different can of worms. In regards to this detail, it makes it illegal for creepy guys to go into a woman's restroom where your daughter may be. So in that essence, I agree with the law.
Now, I'm sure there are other details within the law that are "discriminatory" and I wouldn't agree with but this part of the law I do agree with.
GetUp5
09-15-2016, 10:11 AM
When has there ever been an issue with people going into the wrong bathroom? Charlotte, ironically, is paying the price for initiating this ridiculous legislation to appease their Social Justice Warrior colleagues. The NC GOP definitely went over board with their response, but it's hilarious Charlotte is losing all this $$ when THEY were the ones trying to be PC.
Xville
09-15-2016, 10:22 AM
When has there ever been an issue with people going into the wrong bathroom? Charlotte, ironically, is paying the price for initiating this ridiculous legislation to appease their Social Justice Warrior colleagues. The NC GOP definitely went over board with their response, but it's hilarious Charlotte is losing all this $$ when THEY were the ones trying to be PC.
Probably around the same time that Transgender became a bit more "mainstream." I'm just thinking as a new father...would i want my daughter going to the public bathroom with a person that has male parts...or have any perverted male the ability to do so? I mean perverts aren't really going to worry about a law, but just saying.
xubrew
09-15-2016, 12:11 PM
I don't know about all the details regarding the law, but I believe that one of the details is that it allows a transgender person to go into whatever bathroom it identifies with. So, if they have male parts but identify as a woman, they can go to the woman's restroom. That opens up a whole different can of worms. In regards to this detail, it makes it illegal for creepy guys to go into a woman's restroom where your daughter may be. So in that essence, I agree with the law.
Now, I'm sure there are other details within the law that are "discriminatory" and I wouldn't agree with but this part of the law I do agree with.
Transgendered people have typically always used whatever restroom they identify with anyway. You, me, and everyone reading this has been in a public restroom with a transgendered person. So has everyone's mother, father, wife, husband, son, and daughter. You just didn't notice it because you're in a stall and not taking a whole lot of inventory of who is in there. I just think it's a whole lot of hooey and handwringing about nothing. The law is virtually unenforceable. Unless you have a monitor that forces everyone to drop trout before entering the bathroom, you can't really enforce it. Regardless of what the law is or is not, the reality will be the same. Transgendered people will continue to use whatever restroom they prefer, and non-transgendered people will continue to not notice.
When I say I'm against the law, a better way of putting it would be "what's the point?" The majority of states don't have a law like this, and they haven't had any problems that I am aware of, and likely won't.
Meanwhile, at football tailgates across the nation this weekend, thousands of drunken men will just be whipping it out and going in full view of everyone without even bothering to wait for a bathroom, and everyone will just kind of shrug as if it's just a normal thing.
bobbiemcgee
09-15-2016, 01:46 PM
https://img.ifcdn.com/images/88827ee8e2e2612757e6aa84463e407551022cf5db00bede8f fa20588d8b01a5_1.jpg
muskiefan82
09-15-2016, 01:47 PM
On a side note, when it comes to bathrooms at sporting events, the smart people, regardless of how they identify, know that the line is quicker in the men's room.
xubrew
09-21-2016, 12:52 PM
They should announce the new site on or before October 7th. They want to keep it in the east (whatever that means). The "east" is a very broad and non specific location.
paulxu
09-21-2016, 01:40 PM
East Cackalacky.
GIMMFD
09-21-2016, 07:24 PM
They should announce the new site on or before October 7th. They want to keep it in the east (whatever that means). The "east" is a very broad and non specific location.
Could see it somewhere random like Pittsburgh to be honest...
xubrew
09-21-2016, 09:18 PM
Could see it somewhere random like Pittsburgh to be honest...
Not to bore you or anyone else with details, but the way it works is that schools (or conferences) submit bids, the site is part of the bid, and then the NCAA selection committee (the same one that picks all the teams) picks the bids that they think are best. So, Pittsburgh may be great, but if Robert Morris, Duquesne, and Pitt don't bid on it, then it won't go there. I know South Carolina wants it and it will be in Columbia if they get it. I have no idea who else is bidding on it.
Hosting the tournament basically means you're doing all of the work for the NCAA for free. It's kind of a crappy deal. I don't want to host the tournament or work at the tournament. I want to be a fan and either watch it on TV or go to the games with my own ticket.
GIMMFD
09-21-2016, 09:45 PM
Not to bore you or anyone else with details, but the way it works is that schools (or conferences) submit bids, the site is part of the bid, and then the NCAA selection committee (the same one that picks all the teams) picks the bids that they think are best. So, Pittsburgh may be great, but if Robert Morris, Duquesne, and Pitt don't bid on it, then it won't go there. I know South Carolina wants it and it will be in Columbia if they get it. I have no idea who else is bidding on it.
Hosting the tournament basically means you're doing all of the work for the NCAA for free. It's kind of a crappy deal. I don't want to host the tournament or work at the tournament. I want to be a fan and either watch it on TV or go to the games with my own ticket.
Ahhh okay, so you HAVE to bid for it in order to get it, I did see South Carolina's bid, Columbia is an interesting place, I could possibly see it there, but I don't know, we'll see who else bids for it, I'm sure Duke is pretty depressed not to get the home court in the tournament.
ammtd34
09-22-2016, 09:08 AM
When has there ever been an issue with people going into the wrong bathroom?
It cost this guy his job.
Edit: Didn't post the link. http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/07/25/lawsuit-macys-fired-worker-over-catholic-faith.html
xubrew
09-22-2016, 05:18 PM
Okay, South Carolina is now saying they will not bid to host the tournament.
https://twitter.com/mattnorlander/status/778713442723127301
I think I know what happened here! They were not allowed to host the tournament for all those years because battle flag for the Army of Northern Virginia (don't call it the Confederate Flag because it's not) flew over the state house. Now that they've taken the flag down, they were very eager to finally get to host NCAA Tournament games. Then, after looking into it, they realized just how much it sucks to host NCAA Tournament games, so they've now decided they don't want to do it.
X-band '01
10-07-2016, 10:29 AM
It's now official - Greenville, SC (co-hosts will be Furman and the Southern Conference) will be the replacement site for Greensboro.
PaulXU, your move.
It's now official - Greenville, SC (co-hosts will be Furman and the Southern Conference) will be the replacement site for Greensboro.
PaulXU, your move.
Great city, great choice! And not too far from me plus we have family there.
ArizonaXUGrad
10-07-2016, 11:50 AM
This is Indiana all over again. Honestly for the sake of argument, I am 100% in favor of this and Indiana's law but I require one addition to them. And, my addition is because this law has virtually nothing to do with bathroom rights and everything to do with a right to refuse business.
Every business that wants to refuse and discriminate "must" show signage at each entrance stating as such. We have done this already, we may have just forgotten.
"Whites Only" etc., if you want to be a bigot and discriminate let's just force these people all out in the open. If you don't put up signage, you cannot discriminate.
GoMuskies
10-07-2016, 11:52 AM
Every business that wants to refuse and discriminate "must" show signage at each entrance stating as such. We have done this already, we may have just forgotten.
"Whites Only" etc., if you want to be a bigot and discriminate let's just force these people all out in the open. If you don't put up signage, you cannot discriminate.
With you One Zero Zero. That would be amazing.
STL_XUfan
10-07-2016, 12:02 PM
With you One Zero Zero. That would be amazing.
I am worried how many rural towns would proudly display these signs.
paulxu
10-07-2016, 12:10 PM
It's now official - Greenville, SC (co-hosts will be Furman and the Southern Conference) will be the replacement site for Greensboro.
PaulXU, your move.
Hot dog. I wonder if there's a chance X could be placed here.
X-band '01
10-07-2016, 12:15 PM
If Xavier does get placed there, odds are it would be in a pod with either Duke, North Carolina or Virginia.
ArizonaXUGrad
10-07-2016, 12:33 PM
I missed something, what is One Zero Zero?
With you One Zero Zero. That would be amazing.
MuskieCinci
10-07-2016, 09:22 PM
This is Indiana all over again. Honestly for the sake of argument, I am 100% in favor of this and Indiana's law but I require one addition to them. And, my addition is because this law has virtually nothing to do with bathroom rights and everything to do with a right to refuse business.
Every business that wants to refuse and discriminate "must" show signage at each entrance stating as such. We have done this already, we may have just forgotten.
"Whites Only" etc., if you want to be a bigot and discriminate let's just force these people all out in the open. If you don't put up signage, you cannot discriminate.
Wasn't the bigger problem with the law that it enabled employers not just to refuse business but also to discriminate against employees due to sexual orientation? So two candidates apply for jobs with a company with similar resumes and one gets the job but the other one doesn't because of their orientation. Or someone could just be fired because the boss one day finds out his employee is gay.
ArizonaXUGrad
10-10-2016, 12:23 PM
Believe it or not, there are not federal laws that I know of establishing LGBT as a protected class.
Wasn't the bigger problem with the law that it enabled employers not just to refuse business but also to discriminate against employees due to sexual orientation? So two candidates apply for jobs with a company with similar resumes and one gets the job but the other one doesn't because of their orientation. Or someone could just be fired because the boss one day finds out his employee is gay.
MuskieCinci
10-10-2016, 12:40 PM
Believe it or not, there are not federal laws that I know of establishing LGBT as a protected class.
Didn't this start with Charlotte adding them as a protected class, and so the state created this specifically to nullify the Charlotte law and continue to allow the discrimination?
paulxu
10-11-2016, 03:31 PM
PaulXU, your move.
Job #1: educate the locals on what is coming.
2090
muskiefan82
10-11-2016, 03:57 PM
Believe it or not, there are not federal laws that I know of establishing LGBT as a protected class.
The EEOC has held that discrimination against an individual because that person is transgender (also known as gender identity discrimination) is discrimination because of sex and therefore is covered under Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. See Macy v. Department of Justice, EEOC Appeal No. 0120120821 (April 20, 2012), http://www.eeoc.gov/decisions/0120120821%20Macy%20v%20DOJ%20ATF.txt. The Commission has also held that discrimination against an individual because of that person's sexual orientation is discrimination because of sex and therefore prohibited under Title VII. See David Baldwin v. Dep't of Transportation, EEOC Appeal No. 120133080 (July 15, 2015), http://www.eeoc.gov/decisions/0120133080.pdf.
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