College Football 2016

[xubrew]

do you know that every player would say yes? And yeah they get paid a few thousand a year.

Yes, I'm fairly certain. Want to know why?? Because the time between the end of the season and a bowl game generally ain't a whole lot of fun. A playoff means fewer rigorous practices in the weeks leading up to the bowl games, which is what a lot (and by that, I mean all) use that time for. It's taking something they like (a big game) and replacing something they don't like with it.

[xu82]

Yes, I'm fairly certain. Want to know why?? Because the time between the end of the season and a bowl game generally ain't a whole lot of fun. A playoff means fewer rigorous practices in the weeks leading up to the bowl games, which is what a lot (and by that, I mean all) use that time for. It's taking something they like (a big game) and replacing something they don't like with it.

I get that too many game is a bad thing. So is the ridiculous layoff between the last game and the bowl/playoff game. That's just crazy long sometimes.

[Xville]

Because I disagree with you means that I'm worked up? Oh ok...

Sure seems like it when you use words like bullshit and jackasses unless that is just part of your everday vernacular, which would be even sadder.

[Juice]

Sure seems like it when you use words like bullshit and jackasses unless that is just part of your everday vernacular, which would be even sadder.

Yes. Do those words "trigger" you?

[xu82]

Do we need a safe space?

[Xville]

Yes. Do those words "trigger" you?

Just find it odd you get so worked up about the suggestion of an 8 team playoff when two whole teams would be affected by an extra game every year.

[GoMuskies]

Charlie Strong to USF is brilliant for both sides.

[paulxu]

So, Saturday Wofford played a quarterfinal against Youngstown State in the FCS playoffs; and lost in double overtime.

Today it turns out that 4 of the YS players tested positive from the week earlier game in the round of 16. 3 of the 4 are "significant contributors" to the team.

Nothing can help Wofford out at this point, and Cleveland State is worried because of the proximity.

[Juice]

Wake Forest football....holy shit

[xubrew]

Wake Forest football....holy shit

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18272514/wake-forest-finds-radio-announcer-leaked-game-plans-opponents

I'm not THAT surprised. The coaches all know each other, and the assistant coaches who do the scouting are under a lot of pressure, and they're going to reach out to people and make deals with people to get their film and playbooks, even if it means giving up their own film and playbooks. It's a little odd that the radio guy would be involved in this. Why in the hell did he have a playbook?? But, if he had one, then the coaches he knew at other schools, and maybe worked with before, and were maybe friends with, would definitely reach out to him.

Don't give your radio guy a playbook. Lesson learned.

[xubrew]

Okay, everyone is losing their minds over this Wake Forest playbook deal, and talking about how the ACC should take drastic action against Louisville, and look to see who else had it, and all this other stuff.

Louisville basically responded the way I think they should have, and that's to say that this is Wake's issue.

Am I wrong?? They gave their freakin' playbook out not just to someone that wasn't a player, but to someone that was IN THE MEDIA!! What on EARTH were they thinking?? What possible good comes from giving someone a playbook that isn't even a player and has nothing to do with anything when it comes to needing a playbook??

I can't help but feel that if you're somehow resourceful enough to get another team's playbook, then good for you and shame on them. Most teams have different playbooks each week that only the players and coaches get, and that are then turned back in at the end of the week. If a player loses it, then they end up running until they need to hug a trashcan. I'm also under the impression that it isn't uncommon at all for coaches to trade old ones (or parts of old ones) in exchange for what other teams may have scouted on future opponents. So, the idea that Louisville would somehow have information on Wake that involved plays that they haven't even run yet doesn't seem too far fetched to me, nor does it seem at all out of line.

So, where I stand on this is that giving a playbook to the radio guy is moronic. Why isn't anyone ripping the Wake coaches for being absolute morons??

[STL_XUfan]

Okay, everyone is losing their minds over this Wake Forest playbook deal, and talking about how the ACC should take drastic action against Louisville, and look to see who else had it, and all this other stuff.

Louisville basically responded the way I think they should have, and that's to say that this is Wake's issue.

Am I wrong?? They gave their freakin' playbook out not just to someone that wasn't a player, but to someone that was IN THE MEDIA!! What on EARTH were they thinking?? What possible good comes from giving someone a playbook that isn't even a player and has nothing to do with anything when it comes to needing a playbook??

I can't help but feel that if you're somehow resourceful enough to get another team's playbook, then good for you and shame on them. Most teams have different playbooks each week that only the players and coaches get, and that are then turned back in at the end of the week. If a player loses it, then they end up running until they need to hug a trashcan. I'm also under the impression that it isn't uncommon at all for coaches to trade old ones (or parts of old ones) in exchange for what other teams may have scouted on future opponents. So, the idea that Louisville would somehow have information on Wake that involved plays that they haven't even run yet doesn't seem too far fetched to me, nor does it seem at all out of line.

So, where I stand on this is that giving a playbook to the radio guy is moronic. Why isn't anyone ripping the Wake coaches for being absolute morons??

I think circumstances are going to have a lot to do with it. Here are two possible scenarios:

#1. Wake Forest Radio guy hands the coach a playbook and says, hey this may be helpful to you
#2. Louisville offers money to Wake Forest Guy and he, in exchange, provides them with the playbook.

#2 is clearly sanctionable.

Number 1 is probably worth a reprimand as it is a little bit underhanded. I mean I guess Louisville could always claim that they had no idea if it was real, and for all they knew it was a plant by WF to provide false intel. However, Louisville should have told Wake Forest that someone is leaking their information and returned the playbook and refused to "profit" off something they knew they shouldn't have had. (then again, maybe my views are just based the guilt that comes along with Catholic Education).

[GoMuskies]

The whole thing is kind of murky, because WF's traveling party "found" the information in Louisville's stadium. Which is kind of vague, but if Louisville was doing something "wrong" if seems unlikely that they would leave the evidence laying around in their stadium somewhere where WF's traveling party could find it.

Just a strange story.

[xubrew]

The following actually happened. How do you feel about it??

A player gets pissed off and quits a team, or was thrown off the team, or some combination of the two. He refuses to turn in his playbook for that week, and instead makes copies of it and mails it to every single school that's left on the schedule. Not a single school felt obligated to give it back or not use it. Instead, the original team just had to deal with it and completely strategize around knowing that all of their opponents had that first week's playbook.

There was no media outcry over this (granted, this wasn't a power program or a power conference, but still). Should there have been, or is this considered totally within the bounds of what's appropriate?? If some disgruntled player mails you your opponent's playbook, then it's just your lucky day and their shitty day, and that's that. That is kind of how I look at it.

[STL_XUfan]

The following actually happened. How do you feel about it??

A player gets pissed off and quits a team, or was thrown off the team, or some combination of the two. He refuses to turn in his playbook for that week, and instead makes copies of it and mails it to every single school that's left on the schedule. Not a single school felt obligated to give it back or not use it. Instead, the original team just had to deal with it and completely strategize around knowing that all of their opponents had that first week's playbook.

There was no media outcry over this (granted, this wasn't a power program or a power conference, but still). Should there have been, or is this considered totally within the bounds of what's appropriate?? If some disgruntled player mails you your opponent's playbook, then it's just your lucky day and their shitty day, and that's that. That is kind of how I look at it.

But wouldn't it be in all coaches' best interests to take a stand about this type of activity? Because it could always be them on the short end of the stick the next time.

Overall, nothing should happen unless Louisville was paying for the information or went full watergate to get the playbook.

[GoMuskies]

Here's Tom Jurich's statement on Louisville's involvement. Not great:

“We have looked further into the matter surrounding the Wake Forest information released on Tuesday.
Our offensive coordinator Lonnie Galloway and Tommy Elrod have known each other since 2007. Lonnie received a call from Elrod during the week of the Wake Forest game, and some information was shared with him that week.
Among the communication were a few plays that were sent and then shared with our defensive staff. None of the special plays were run during the course of the game. Our defense regularly prepares for similar formations every week in their normal game plan.
Any other information that may have been discussed was nothing that our staff had not already seen while studying Wake Forest in their preparations for the game and the material was not given any further attention. I’m disappointed that this issue has brought undue attention to our football staff as we prepare for our upcoming bowl game.”

[Xville]

Here's Tom Jurich's statement on Louisville's involvement. Not great:

“We have looked further into the matter surrounding the Wake Forest information released on Tuesday.
Our offensive coordinator Lonnie Galloway and Tommy Elrod have known each other since 2007. Lonnie received a call from Elrod during the week of the Wake Forest game, and some information was shared with him that week.
Among the communication were a few plays that were sent and then shared with our defensive staff. None of the special plays were run during the course of the game. Our defense regularly prepares for similar formations every week in their normal game plan.
Any other information that may have been discussed was nothing that our staff had not already seen while studying Wake Forest in their preparations for the game and the material was not given any further attention. I’m disappointed that this issue has brought undue attention to our football staff as we prepare for our upcoming bowl game.”

I mean geezus can Louisville go one week without some kind of issue with their school? I mean this doesn't seem horrible but like you said not great either. People praise Jurich up down left and right around here, and for the growth of the programs and the money that is flooding in, they should. However, he needs to get his business in order in a lot of ways as well.

[xubrew]

But wouldn't it be in all coaches' best interests to take a stand about this type of activity? Because it could always be them on the short end of the stick the next time.

Overall, nothing should happen unless Louisville was paying for the information or went full watergate to get the playbook.

I honestly don't know. Maybe. But, maybe it's also just part of the gamesmanship and you need to do a good job of both guarding your own playbooks and scouting the playbooks of other teams. I tend to lean more toward the latter, partly because that just seems to be more along the lines of how it actually is, but I could understand feeling like the custom should switch to where you aren't going all stealth and making deals with other coaching staffs to exchange information on common opponents, or in this case being able to access a team's entire playbook.

The biggest impression from this whole thing, at least on me, is how stupid Wake was for giving the radio guy a playbook. I mean....did they plan on using him??

[muskiefan82]

Shouldn't any decent team be able to beat Wake Forest without help? Come on. It's Wake Forest. If you need help beating them, you have your own issues.

[GoMuskies]

Shouldn't any decent team be able to beat Wake Forest without help? Come on. It's Wake Forest. If you need help beating them, you have your own issues.

I don't think anyone was seeking out this information. It was dropped in their laps. Clearly, once it was there some decided to go ahead and utilize the information.

[muskiefan82]

If UL Paid, it's a problem. Other than that, this is a non-story except for the idiot who turned on his own team.

[xubrew]

Here's Tom Jurich's statement on Louisville's involvement. Not great:

“We have looked further into the matter surrounding the Wake Forest information released on Tuesday.
Our offensive coordinator Lonnie Galloway and Tommy Elrod have known each other since 2007. Lonnie received a call from Elrod during the week of the Wake Forest game, and some information was shared with him that week.
Among the communication were a few plays that were sent and then shared with our defensive staff. None of the special plays were run during the course of the game. Our defense regularly prepares for similar formations every week in their normal game plan.
Any other information that may have been discussed was nothing that our staff had not already seen while studying Wake Forest in their preparations for the game and the material was not given any further attention. I’m disappointed that this issue has brought undue attention to our football staff as we prepare for our upcoming bowl game.”

This whole thing sounds weird.

What the hell is the radio guy doing with a playbook?? I still can't get past that.

It also makes no sense that a radio guy would be doing this on his own volition. The fact that Wake just happened to give him a playbook, and then he just happened to be making calls to other coaches seems to ridiculous for me to accept at face value.

Was a Wake coach giving it to him in an attempt to have him trade it for information on future opponents that other schools had??

The idea that COACHES from different schools would share information seems very normal. The idea that a RADIO GUY would be doing it seems insane. And, the idea that a radio guy would be doing it with a school that they hadn't even played yet seems more insane.

I mean seriously, to me it's Wake Forest that looks ridiculous and embarrassing and like they were up to something. What they were doing seems far more suspicious than anything Louisville did. Louisville didn't really do anything.

[GoMuskies]

I think it's pretty clear no one paid. The Louisville offensive coordinator sure as hell shouldn't be running to his defensive staff to provide what this moron sent over, though.

[xubrew]

If UL Paid, it's a problem. Other than that, this is a non-story except for the idiot who turned on his own team.

If he did turn on his own team. If Wake was trying to use him as an under the table scout/coach, and it comes back that he was seeking information on future opponents and acting as a coach, then I'm pretty sure it's a rather serious violation.

I'm not wanting to accuse them of that, but for the life of me I can't think of any other reason as to why he would have a playbook or why he would be sharing it. Playbooks aren't posters. They don't give them out to people just so people can have them. The only answer that I can think of that makes any sense is that he was being asked to act as a coach (even though he wasn't one) and was doing this in exchange for information on future opponents, ESPECIALLY since he had been a coach before and knew the ropes.

If that's the case, and this is only me speculating because I have no proof whatsoever, then it's Wake that's in trouble.

[Xville]

If he did turn on his own team. If Wake was trying to use him as an under the table scout/coach, and it comes back that he was seeking information on future opponents and acting as a coach, then I'm pretty sure it's a rather serious violation.

I'm not wanting to accuse them of that, but for the life of me I can't think of any other reason as to why he would have a playbook or why he would be sharing it. Playbooks aren't posters. They don't give them out to people just so people can have them. The only answer that I can think of that makes any sense is that he was being asked to act as a coach (even though he wasn't one) who was being slipped under the table and doing it in exchange for information on future opponents, ESPECIALLY since he had been a coach before and knew the ropes.

If that's the case, and this is only me speculating because I have no proof whatsoever, then it's Wake that's in trouble.

Pretty sure that he did...I think he was like a woman scorned...when the incoming coaching staff decided not to retain him as a coach, he was pissed and decided he wold do anything to hurt the staff, including hurting his alma mater. It's nutso, but it's hard to be shocked by peoples' actions anymore. There are crazies everywhere.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Pretty sure that he did...I think he was like a woman scorned...when the incoming coaching staff decided not to retain him as a coach, he was pissed and decided he wold do anything to hurt the staff, including hurting his alma mater. It's nutso, but it's hard to be shocked by peoples' actions anymore. There are crazies everywhere.

Yeah the radio guy was a player at Wake and then a coach for 11 years who was not retained as a coach when the new coach came in a few years ago. Apparently he had full access to the program. But it is unique in that he was a coach there for more than a decade too. Seems like a scorned guy situation. Probably not that surprising he had playbook though.

[Juice]

Who on this board said that the players wouldn't care about an 8 team playoff?

Dan Wolken
‏@DanWolken
"If we had to do another game after this, God no. I'd literally die." - Ben Boulware on an 8-team playoff.

[GoMuskies]

Get rid of conference championship games. Problem solved.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah I mean with the current set up the 8 team playoff wouldnt work but if they went to that games would be cut somewhere.

[Xville]

It would effect two teams a year and im sure there were players that said the exact same thing when they added an extra week in college football years ago.

And no you wouldnt literally die Mr. Roided out Boulware. I really hope Alabama beats them by 40.

If enough players cry about it, then take out a non-con game or something to that effect.

[Juice]

It would effect two teams a year and im sure there were players that said the exact same thing when they added an extra week in college football years ago.

And no you wouldnt literally die Mr. Roided out Boulware. I really hope Alabama beats them by 40.

If enough players cry about it, then take out a non-con game or something to that effect.

This is a reasonable response to a guy who has had to play in that extra game for two straight years. My assumption is that you have not.

[waggy]

It doesn't take an 8 team playoff to legitimately decide the best team. 4 is enough.

[Xville]

This is a reasonable response to a guy who has had to play in that extra game for two straight years. My assumption is that you have not.

So because one player said he would literally die due to playing one extra game, we should in your estimation, scrap the idea and/or in your words compensate them for it. Got it.

I'm sure that those players on Oklahoma or Michigan would have loved to play that extra game this year.

[Xville]

It doesn't take an 8 team playoff to legitimately decide the best team. 4 is enough.

You can make that same argument for college basketball...but everyone loves March Madness.

[GoMuskies]

I'm sure that those players on Oklahoma or Michigan would have loved to play that extra game this year.

Well, Michigan couldn't beat Florida State, so there'd be no extra game for them anyway.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It doesn't take an 8 team playoff to legitimately decide the best team. 4 is enough.

By this logic it should have remained at 2.

Clemson and Bama were clearly the best teams going in to the playoff. Were you against the playoff to start?

Once you go to any number of teams for a playoff it really isnt about making sure the best team wins anymore. Because the best team wont always win. So by going to 8 you arent trying to decide who the best team is, you are allowing (this is how I would do it) all 5 conference champs a shot at the championship and the 3 best at large teams. It is a cleaner way to do it and it makes the conference championships mean something as well.

[Xville]

Well, Michigan couldn't beat Florida State, so there'd be no extra game for them anyway.

True, but put whoever else in the argument you want.

By the way, for more awesomeness from douchebag roided out Boulware, check out the article on Espn today in which him and his teammates freely admit to grabbing guys groins and buttholes during pileups. He also tried to choke out lamar jackson during the louisville game. The guy seems to be a real charmer, someone whose opinion we should definitely solely go by.

[GoMuskies]

Yes, but Coach Dabo is just a down home, aw shucks holy roller. So it's okay.

Fuck that guy and his program full of deviants.

[Juice]

So because one player said he would literally die due to playing one extra game, we should in your estimation, scrap the idea and/or in your words compensate them for it. Got it.

I'm sure that those players on Oklahoma or Michigan would have loved to play that extra game this year.

Yeah no shit, but then they shouldn't have lost two games. You're comparing teams in completely different scenarios and circumstances.

If you asked them if they could be in the national championship game by playing in a 4 team playoff or 8 team playoff, most if not all would say 4 team playoff.

[BandAid]

The FCS champion plays what, 15 games? I haven't heard them whining about health or class time despite those programs most likely have inferior athletic health services and far fewer students playing professionally post college.

[Juice]

The FCS champion plays what, 15 games? I haven't heard them whining about health or class time despite those programs most likely have inferior athletic health services and far fewer students playing professionally post college.

Because I'm sure those complaints would be treated seriously from fans like you since you take the complaints from players who do generate millions so seriously.

[GoMuskies]

Thought this title game was over early. Clemson still has a shot coming out of halftime, though.

[Xville]

Alabama's defense is so ridiculous...if bama had a qb who could actually throw the ball, this would be a beatdown. Even so, doesnt seem like Clemson actually has a chance.

[paulxu]

If Clempson wins, I might have to move to Wichita.

[GoMuskies]

Alabama's defense is so ridiculous...if bama had a qb who could actually throw the ball, this would be a beatdown. Even so, doesnt seem like Clemson actually has a chance.

If they get a stop on third down here, they'll get the ball back with probably a lay-up FG. Feels like Hurts might give them a TD at some point, too.

[Xville]

If they get a stop on third down here, they'll get the ball back with probably a lay-up FG. Feels like Hurts might give them a TD at some point, too.

Im just waiting on the pick from watson...its coming. They dont even have their best defensive player in Jackson.

[GoMuskies]

Game on

[GoMuskies]

Alabama's defense just murders people. Jesus.

[Xville]

Alabama's defense just murders people. Jesus.

Ssw something a few months ago where florida state was sending defensive recruits a picture of their starting defense the year they won the title. All the starters got drafted in the nfl....this defense is ten times better than that one, just sick.

[paulxu]

Boy they could use a passer though.

Edit: Forget that

[Xville]

Good night

[GoMuskies]

How can you lose on the same play two years in a row? LOL

[Juice]

Ssw something a few months ago where florida state was sending defensive recruits a picture of their starting defense the year they won the title. All the starters got drafted in the nfl....this defense is ten times better than that one, just sick.

2001 Miami defense had all but one starter get drafted with 11 back ups eventually getting drafted. That's 21 players on defense alone getting drafted. That doesn't include the 18 players on their offense that got drafted. It was such an insane team.

http://www.rosterresource.com/ncaa-historical-depth-charts-2001-miami-hurricanes/

[D-West & PO-Z]

2001 Miami defense had all but one starter get drafted with 11 back ups eventually getting drafted. That's 21 players on defense alone getting drafted. That doesn't include the 18 players on their offense that got drafted. It was such an insane team.

http://www.rosterresource.com/ncaa-historical-depth-charts-2001-miami-hurricanes/

Yeah that team was ridiculous. Multiple backups on that team became all pro players in the NFL.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Good night

Eh

[GoMuskies]

Blatant offensive PI.

[Xville]

Um...are the refs really that blind? Wow

[Xville]

This is the most boring close game ive watched in a long time.

[GoMuskies]

These reviews are brutal.

[Xville]

I will say im impressed with watson tonight. I thought during the season he was inconsistent, but tonight wow.

[spursy]

I will say im impressed with watson tonight. I thought during the season he was inconsistent, but tonight wow.

He is the only reason people know who Dabo Swinney is.

[GoMuskies]

He is the only reason people know who Dabo Sweeney is.

I don't know. Dabo is also a pretty famous cheesedick.

[spursy]

I don't know. Dabo is also a pretty famous cheesedick.

That was a very entertaining google search.

Edit: You also caught me with my pants down before my edit. Damn, thought I was sneaky.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ugh.

Hoping they left too much time.

C'mon Watson.

[Xville]

Wow jalen hurts impressive...screw you clemson....finish them off bama d. Then go and stick your finger in boulware's butt since he finds it so funny

[GoMuskies]

This is the most boring close game ive watched in a long time.

This was true at the time you said it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Awesome!

Peace bama

[Xville]

This is the most boring close game ive watched in a long time.

I guess they listened to me...ugh i hate clemson. Two pick plays for touchdowns that i guess is fine to do if you are clemson. Pick butt and grab groin party at boulware's house tonight.

[GoMuskies]

Hail Mary here would be amazing. Dumb asses.

Didn't realize Clemson recovered. Nevermind.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hail Mary here would be amazing. Dumb asses.

Yeah that was close but they legally recovered looks like so no problem.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wasnt worth the risk though, not sure why they did that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Did Tom Rinaldi just ask Watson why he had emotion on his face?

[GoMuskies]

Did Watson just admit to a pick?

[GoMuskies]

Dabo is such a fake piece of shit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dabo gets 1.4mil in bonuses for the year.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Bama 3-1 to win next year.

Clemson 18-1

[GoMuskies]

I see Louisville is 12-1. The oddsmakers must know something about Louisville's offensive line the rest of us don't yet.

[GoMuskies]

Don't sniff Boulware's fingers.

[xavierj]

Dabo is such a fake piece of shit.

Actually his story is pretty impressive. He went through a lot growing up, persevered, walked on at Alabama, won a championship there and now as a coach. If you look at what he wen through he really is a true success story.

[GoMuskies]

You can go through a lot and still come out on the other end as a fake piece of shit.

[XUMIOH12]

Did Tom Rinaldi just ask Watson why he had emotion on his face?

LOL that was such a dumb thing to ask. I always wish the players would respond with some answer that lets them know how dumb the question was.

[XUMIOH12]

that was a great game. I was glad to see Clemson win that one.

[paulxu]

UGH.

That Renfrow guy is a nice story though. Sort of in the Edelman/Welker mold.

Got my place ready Go.

[GoMuskies]

The liquor cabinet has been stocked with bourbon.

[bleedXblue]

Dabo is fake...he's gotta be a little more real and quit with the coach speak all of the time.

I am glad Alabama didn't win. Getting a little ridiculous that they play in the NC game every year

[paulxu]

For 30+ years I've had to listen to people around here go on (and on) about Danny Ford and Clemson's '81 team.
Every year he comes to the touchdown/tip-off club meetings in Spartanburg and tells the same jokes.
Now it'll be another 30 years of Dabo. Not looking forward to it.
Must be like a Muskie living in Dayton.
Ugh.

[ammtd34]

For 30+ years I've had to listen to people around here go on (and on) about Danny Ford and Clemson's '81 team.
Every year he comes to the touchdown/tip-off club meetings in Spartanburg and tells the same jokes.
Now it'll be another 30 years of Dabo. Not looking forward to it.
Must be like a Muskie living in Dayton.
Ugh.

I live in Centerville. It's not bad. I always have a trump card.

[Xville]

I see Louisville is 12-1. The oddsmakers must know something about Louisville's offensive line the rest of us don't yet.

The funny thing is that the radio people around here are blaming Charlie Strong for the weak offensive line this year. I mean Bobby has only been here three years..he just hasn't had enough time to get some actual lineman with a pulse apparently. I swear Louisville fans...St. Petrino and St. Jurich can do no wrong. Including both stints at Louisville...Petrino is 5-12 against ranked teams...screams overrated.

[XUglow]

I see Louisville is 12-1. The oddsmakers must know something about Louisville's offensive line the rest of us don't yet.

I hear Grantham wants out. He doesn't feel any love from Petrino apparently.

[GoMuskies]

I hear Grantham wants out. He doesn't feel any love from Petrino apparently.

I read that a move to Miss. State is a possibility. So it makes sense that you would say that. He's been okay as a DC. Good recruiter, though.

[Xville]

I read that a move to Miss. State is a possibility. So it makes sense that you would say that. He's been okay as a DC. Good recruiter, though.

Hes a terrible dc...terrible at georgia, terrible at louisville. He was handed a goldmine when he got to louisville and the defense has gotten worse each year hes been there.

[GoMuskies]

Looks like Louisville and Mississippi State worked out a defensive coordinator trade.

[XUglow]

Hes a terrible dc...terrible at georgia, terrible at louisville. He was handed a goldmine when he got to louisville and the defense has gotten worse each year hes been there.

They went from the Big East (AAC) to the ACC. It was not unlike our move to Big East basketball. ...and if you think Grantham is bad, just wait until you get a load of what Sirmon puts out on the field. He's a really nice guy, but he is learning on the job.

[GoMuskies]

ACC football still sucks as a whole. Louisville has managed to win 5, 5 and 7 games in its three years without being all that good any of those years (I'm trying to figure out whether they were actually good for 5 or 6 games this year or if it was all just a mirage).

[XUglow]

ACC football still sucks as a whole. Louisville has managed to win 5, 5 and 7 games in its three years without being all that good any of those years (I'm trying to figure out whether they were actually good for 5 or 6 games this year or if it was all just a mirage).

I think it is the best conference going. I thought it was the Big Ten until they laid an egg in the bowls. The SEC had a down year, but I don't think it is a trend.

[Juice]

ACC football still sucks as a whole. Louisville has managed to win 5, 5 and 7 games in its three years without being all that good any of those years (I'm trying to figure out whether they were actually good for 5 or 6 games this year or if it was all just a mirage).

The ACC was the best conference in football this year. It may not translate to next year because they lose a lot of veteran QBs but they were like 9-3 against the SEC this year and had the best record in the bowl games.

[Xville]

They went from the Big East (AAC) to the ACC. It was not unlike our move to Big East basketball. ...and if you think Grantham is bad, just wait until you get a load of what Sirmon puts out on the field. He's a really nice guy, but he is learning on the job.

I dont know anything about sirmon but trust me grantham sucks...i saw it firsthand as a season ticket holder. The guy couldnt stop kentucky for christsakes. The talent that grantham wss handed to him by charlie strong was absurd and once that talent left, granthams coaching skills were on full display.

[GoMuskies]

The ACC was the best conference in football this year.

I don't know. I watched Louisville win 7 of its 8 games against ACC foes but get annihilated by Houston and LSU and lose at home to fucking Kentucky. BC, UVA, Syracuse, NC State, Duke and Wake make up 6 league games on the Louisville schedule, and they are all not good.

[Xville]

I think it is the best conference going. I thought it was the Big Ten until they laid an egg in the bowls. The SEC had a down year, but I don't think it is a trend.

I cant get behind that bowl records mean anything except the ones for the playoffs...the rest? I really dont think a lot of players give a crap...its an overhyped exhibition game.

With that said, overall i think the acc may have been the best this year. Either them or yhr big ten most likely...sec was definitely down bjt that wont last long

[XUMIOH12]

I cant get behind that bowl records mean anything except the ones for the playoffs...the rest? I really dont think a lot of players give a crap...its an overhyped exhibition game.

With that said, overall i think the acc may have been the best this year. Either them or yhr big ten most likely...sec was definitely down bjt that wont last long

agreed, really can't put too much weight on any of the non-playoff bowl games. They don't mean a whole lot, and the players know it.

[GoMuskies]

If bowl games don't mean a whole lot....doesn't that mean that 99% of college football games don't mean a whole lot?

[Juice]

I cant get behind that bowl records mean anything except the ones for the playoffs...the rest? I really dont think a lot of players give a crap...its an overhyped exhibition game.

With that said, overall i think the acc may have been the best this year. Either them or yhr big ten most likely...sec was definitely down bjt that wont last long

Fine. Sagarin has the SEC-West at 1, the ACC-Atlantic at 2, the ACC-Coastal at 3 and so on. The computers have their two divisions at 2 and 3 and the SEC's at 1 and 8. http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

[Juice]

David Hale
‏@DavidHaleESPN
FWIW, the ACC finished the season 10-4 vs the SEC. Other FBS leagues were 9-31 vs SEC this year.

[Xville]

Can this guy be anymore of a d-bag?

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/ben-boulware-tweets-pic-of-championship-tattoo-jabbing-desmond-howard-201640421.html

I guess he could be his coach.

[paulxu]

Can this guy be anymore of a d-bag?

Yes.


CLEMSON, S.C. -- While Clemson defensive lineman Christian Wilkins worked to defuse the controversy surrounding a play in the PlayStation Fiesta Bowl in which he grabbed the groin of Ohio State's Curtis Samuel, teammate Ben Boulware threw fuel on the fire Wednesday.

"We've done it all year to mess with players," Boulware said. "No one has done it as aggressive as Christian did. We try to be more discreet about it. He grabbed a handful."