Myles

[casualfan]

Just got a text from a buddy saying Myles may have got in some trouble over the weekend. Anyone heard anything about this?

[GoMuskies]

Maybe this is why he was left off BleedXBlue's list of scholarship players.

Conspiracy alert!

[casualfan]

Maybe this is why he was left off BleedXBlue's list of scholarship players.

Conspiracy alert!

Haha, i actually thought of that reading bleed's post earlier.

I got a text over the weekend that something happened and have been debating whether or not to post anything. The guy that sent it to me would be in a position to know and gave me a heads up on the JP situation before it went public so I decided to see if anyone heard anything.

Hopefully he got some bad info this time.

[XMuskieFTW]

How bad are we talking here?

[casualfan]

How bad are we talking here?

I don't feel comfortable publicly sharing anything more than I have until I can confirm it actually happened.

Having said that, check your pm.

[X-band '01]

Probably would have been better off starting this in the X Lounge.

[OH.X.MI]

It will be in the news soon enough. The public court record is out there.

[Juice]

It will be in the news soon enough. The public court record is out there.

Hamilton County or somewhere else? Because I'm looking on the Clerk of Court's site now and don't see it.

[OH.X.MI]

Hamilton County or somewhere else? Because I'm looking on the Clerk of Court's site now and don't see it.

Kenton County across the river

[Milhouse]

better to delete this and not lead the media right to it..

[GoMuskies]

better to delete this and not lead the media right to it..

You're kidding, right?

[SemajParlor]

better to delete this and not lead the media right to it..

Not sure about the media part, but yeah this is lame. This site shouldn't be a high school hallway.

[Milhouse]

didn't realize it was public record- thought it was just a "text rumor"

[GoMuskies]

I do agree that if this is just a rumor with no actual public record/verification that it should be deleted.

[Drew]

I do agree that if this is just a rumor with no actual public record/verification that it should be deleted.

That seems a little extreme. When has a thread ever done any harm?

[spursy]

There is public record but it doesn't list the charge. Just that arraignment is scheduled for 8/2.
Ugh.

[GoMuskies]

That seems a little extreme. When has a thread ever done any harm?

To me it's similar to the rule against posting about potential player transfers before they've announced they're leaving the program. Just kind of seems like bad form.

However, given that this has apparently been confirmed as public record. all bets are off IMO.

[XMuskieFTW]

There is public record but it doesn't list the charge. Just that arraignment is scheduled for 8/2.
Ugh.

It lists the charge right above that. Not good.

[casualfan]

There is public record but it doesn't list the charge. Just that arraignment is scheduled for 8/2.
Ugh.

Charge is domestic violence.

You can use this to search his name:

http://kcoj.kycourts.net/CourtRecords/Search.aspx

[GoMuskies]

Nevermind. Thanks casaulfan.

I'm pretty sure domestic violence is going to mean bye-bye in 2016 unless it's really, really minor.

[Mack Attack]

You can go to 8/2 and check the docket to see what it is for. It looks like it is just a speeding ticket.

[casualfan]

I would not have posted this if i wasn't confident something happened.

Sorry if i broke the rules, but as others have mentioned there appears to be a fire to go along with the smoke.

[casualfan]

You can go to 8/2 and check the docket to see what it is for. It looks like it is just a speeding ticket.

You're looking at the wrong one. Here is a picture of the report:

He was arrested yesterday for domestic violence:

EDIT: i removed the picture because it showed the defendant's name.

[SemajParlor]

Well, this sucks.

[GoMuskies]

I think they're actually separate. $40 fine. Nevermind. it's nothing.

[spursy]

I think they're actually separate. $40 fine. Nevermind. it's nothing.

Whattt is going on...is it DV or is that another Myles Davis? Please god be a speeding ticket. Cannot handle Myles being a DV perp. Would take a while to get over that and back into Xavier fan-dom.

[casualfan]

Nevermind. Thanks casaulfan.

I'm pretty sure domestic violence is going to mean bye-bye in 2016 unless it's really, really minor.

If it was minor he likely wouldn't have been charged unless it's happened a couple times. Given the climate of college sports these days i would think there will be a sever punishment.

I'm still holding out hope there's another Myles Davis out there running around and this is a mixup.

[muskiefan82]

Whattt is going on...is it DV or is that another Myles Davis? Please god be a speeding ticket. Cannot handle Myles being a DV perp. Would take a while to get over that and back into Xavier fan-dom.

A speeding ticket; however, makes him more like the rest of us.

[GoMuskies]

I paid the $40 fine and $134 court costs for Myles. That's not a problem, right?

And in case the NCAA is reading this board, yes, I am kidding.

[spursy]

All this for a speeding ticket. Christ. This was like reliving the Dez saga when it was first breaking. I need to go take a walk.

[casualfan]

Whattt is going on...is it DV or is that another Myles Davis? Please god be a speeding ticket. Cannot handle Myles being a DV perp. Would take a while to get over that and back into Xavier fan-dom.

I'm almost positive it's him.

The girl listed on the domestic violence charge went to Xavier.

Would be a hell of a coincidence if she had a domestic violence incident with another Myles Davis.

[X-band '01]

Myles E. Davis was listed for a speeding ticket. There was another plaintiff and just Myles Davis (no initial) listed in the other case.

[Musketeer]

i was hoping it would have just been for something like pulling his pants down at a bar..

[Drew]

Fuck. See ya Myles.

[casualfan]

Myles E. Davis was listed for a speeding ticket. There was another plaintiff and just Myles Davis (no initial) listed in the other case.

Correct. And in that case the plantiff attended Xavier. I am purposely not giving her name, but you can easily find it if you'd like.

[SemajParlor]

I'm almost positive it's him.

The girl listed on the domestic violence charge went to Xavier.

Would be a hell of a coincidence if she had a domestic violence incident with another Myles Davis.

Yeah, it's him. We just have to pray until the police report comes out. Domestic violence doesn't necessarily mean what it's often associated with. I pray...

[XMuskieFTW]

I HATE the offseason.

[Drew]

Yeah, it's him. We just have to pray until the police report comes out. Domestic violence doesn't necessarily mean what it's often associated with. I pray...

Not trying to be snarky, but what else could it mean? Anyway I look at it this girl had to call the police because of Myle's behavior.

[SemajParlor]

Not trying to be snarky, but what else could it mean? Anyway I look at it this girl had to call the police because of Myle's behavior.

Yes I know. I'm trying to be as optimistic as possible... Not fair until we know what the facts are? I guess,... ?? Shit.

[mohr5150]

Coach Mack: "Hey Malcolm...remember the amount of playing time I said you were going to get? Well, it may have increased a little..."

[GoMuskies]

I see this thread got the attention of some DB named "Nick", who tweeted of Myles's arrest to Fox 19 and Shannon Russell. LOL

[SemajParlor]

I see this thread got the attention of some DB named "Nick", who tweeted of Myles's arrest to Fox 19 and Shannon Russell. LOL

Haha! Saw the same thing. He has a UC logo as an avatar. If you're ever feeling down just remember you're not as much of a pathetic loser as that guy.

[X-band '01]

The Xlax in the Twitter handle didn't give it away?

[GoMuskies]

Until I saw the UC avatar, I was just CERTAIN he was a big fan of Xavier Lacrosse.

[Drew]

Rick from Scout seems pretty confident that this is just a big verbal fight over the relationship ending and it happened a few weeks ago. I will try to reserve judgement until all the facts are out.

[casualfan]

Rick from Scout seems pretty confident that this is just a big verbal fight over the relationship ending and it happened a few weeks ago. I will try to reserve judgement until all the facts are out.

I'm not privy to what Rick has said nor am i a lawyer, but is it common to get charged for domestic violence after a purely verbal dispute?

[XMuskieFTW]

Rick from Scout seems pretty confident that this is just a big verbal fight over the relationship ending and it happened a few weeks ago. I will try to reserve judgement until all the facts are out.

Hopefully that's all it is. An possible arrest this past weekend and court yesterday doesn't really line up though.

[X-band '01]

Until I saw the UC avatar, I was just CERTAIN he was a big fan of Xavier Lacrosse.

And right on cue, he's turned his Twitter feed into private.

[OH.X.MI]

Should be noted that in KY a judge can issue a Emergency Protective Order for DV without hearing from the other side.

[GoMuskies]

And right on cue, he's turned his Twitter feed into private.

Smart move Nick! Better to be a dick in private!

[Drew]

I'm not privy to what Rick has said nor am i a lawyer, but is it common to get charged for domestic violence after a purely verbal dispute?

I don't want to give out too much since its a pay site. But a lawyer there posted that its very common and also very common for the charges to be dismissed.

[Juice]

Should be noted that in KY a judge can issue a Emergency Protective Order for DV without hearing from the other side.

Oh yeah. Any judge would do that. That's the norm in Ohio at least.

[Mack Attack]

Anybody here know how the Kentucky Courts work? What does it mean when it is a private plaintiff listed instead of the Commonwealth. And has anybody else been able to pull it up the DV by its case number? I can find the speeding by case number but the DV case number says no results match the criteria.

[Juice]

Anybody here know how the Kentucky Courts work? What does it mean when it is a private plaintiff listed instead of the Commonwealth. And has anybody else been able to pull it up the DV by its case number? I can find the speeding by case number but the DV case number says no results match the criteria.

My guess is because the State or Commonwealth has declined to file charges.

[casualfan]

I don't want to give out too much since its a pay site. But a lawyer there posted that its very common and also very common for the charges to be dismissed.

Got ya. Thank you. Hopefully much ado about nothing.

[GoMuskies]

My guess is because the State or Commonwealth has declined to file charges.

Would it be an application for a restraining order, then?

[OH.X.MI]

My guess is because the State or Commonwealth has declined to file charges.

The private plaintiff v. defendant means it's civil. My guess is she filed for a EPO and that's what the hearing was about. This link (http://edwardsandkautz.com/emergency-protective-orders-epos-domestic-violence-orders-dvos-kentucky/) explains the Kentucky process pretty well.

[STL_XUfan]

My guess is because the State or Commonwealth has declined to file charges.

I do not practice in Kenton County, but it certainly looks like this is a complaint for a civil order of protection to me (which would be entirely independent from any criminal charges).

[Juice]

The private plaintiff v. defendant means it's civil. My guess is she filed for a EPO and that's what the hearing was about. This link (http://edwardsandkautz.com/emergency-protective-orders-epos-domestic-violence-orders-dvos-kentucky/) explains the Kentucky process pretty well.

I believe you guys are all correct.

[Xu Red Dogg]

3:21 PM - Poster suggests Myles is suspended for the year and his career is over.
4:31 PM - Everything is cool.

This is why I love the internet!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Awesome, I am going to stick with my wait and see approach to stuff like this. I know from first hand experiences, women can be absolutely insane. It's best to get both sides before jumping to conclusions.


3:21 PM - Poster suggests Myles is suspended for the year and his career is over.
4:31 PM - Everything is cool.

This is why I love the internet!

[xeus]

All,

Feel free to comment about this situation, but please keep it cool. Very little is known - mostly rumor and guessing about details. I'll delete posts that I don't feel are appropriate. And yes, it is a subjective standard, and no, free speech doesn't apply here.

I will tell you in advance that we're not going to allow posts about the alleged victim, so don't go there.

[Milhouse]

Bunch of UC folks on Twitter saying he was arrested. Which isn't true.

As of right now there isn't an arrest report. It appears to be a civil complaint.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I will say this, just by using the Kentucky court link Myles is facing one DV issue and one criminal issue. Weird how you can filter by just DV on that link. Regardless, this is a wait and see what is happening. The cops will get both sides of the issue and move from there.

[X-band '01]

I will say this, just by using the Kentucky court link Myles is facing one DV issue and one criminal issue. Weird how you can filter by just DV on that link. Regardless, this is a wait and see what is happening. The cops will get both sides of the issue and move from there.

The "criminal" issue you're talking about is driving 20 miles over the speed limit. Not in the same league as a DV/EPO/DVO issue.

Case #16-T-06240 (http://kcoj.kycourts.net/dockets/Default.aspx?countyCourt=0591&division=DI&eventDate=08/02/2016&courtRoom=ALL&subDivision=ALL&pageIndex=6)

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Apologies, didn't see how you could pull up the docket.

Another post for another time, how can it be that easy to pull up stuff at the courthouse? Just a civil thing then.


The "criminal" issue you're talking about is driving 20 miles over the speed limit. Not in the same league as a DV/EPO/DVO issue.

Case #16-T-06240 (http://kcoj.kycourts.net/dockets/Default.aspx?countyCourt=0591&division=DI&eventDate=08/02/2016&courtRoom=ALL&subDivision=ALL&pageIndex=6)

[Xpectations]

Rick from Scout seems pretty confident that this is just a big verbal fight over the relationship ending and it happened a few weeks ago. I will try to reserve judgement until all the facts are out.

I normally wouldn't post comments from the premium Scout board here, but I don't think they'd have a problem in this case given it's about clarifying rampant speculation about the character of an XU player.

As Drew said above, Rick stated it involved a messy ending to an unhealthy relationship. He did confirm Myles got a speeding ticket, which is why he is due in court. He also made it clear that Myles was never arrested anywhere, at any point in time. Finally, because of what did (and didn't) happen, he doesn't believe Myles status with the team will be affected.

[paulxu]

Smart move Nick! Better to be a dick in private!

Are you sure that wasn't Mick and not some guy named Nick. You can be a dick in public.

Also, Zeus = the hammer of the gods.

[Xpectations]

The Xlax in the Twitter handle didn't give it away?

That's interesting. I had seen posts on boards from Xlax in the past and always thought it was just another screen name for Bearchatter (aka KMart-Hicks, MicksDaMan, Chatter, XUinBlueAsh, etc.). Sadly, Bearchatter passed away a few years ago, so obviously Xlax is someone else.

[Nigel Tufnel]

I don't practice in Kentucky, but in Ohio anyone can file a petition for a Civil Protection Order. If he wasn't arrested, then he obviously didn't do anything to rise to the level of DV. I have no idea what happened, but I see jilted, angry people file for CPO's on a daily basis. Generally speaking, a woman files a CPO and alleges that she was the victim of violence or that there was a threat of physical violence and that she feared for her safety. The Magistrate then has a short ex parte hearing (other side not there), wherein the Magistrate hears the victim's side of things and determines whether an ex parte (didn't hear Respondent's side of story) order is appropriate. If the Magistrate thinks there may be a risk that something will happen, an ex parte civil protection order is signed and the respondent is served the petition and ex parte order at the same time along with a hearing within 7 days so his side can be heard. If the Magistrate hears the victim's side only and doesn't issue an ex parte civil protection order, then the Magistrate isn't convinced the petitioner is in danger. The respondent is still served with the petition and a hearing is scheduled...but if the petitioner can't get an ex parte order with their side being the only one heard, then their goose is pretty much cooked. If Kentucky is similar, it will be interesting to see if the ex parte order is granted.

Either way, I sincerely doubt there will be punishment from this. Maybe there was a threat made in the heat of the moment...maybe it's an angry ex...lots of times I ask my client one thing..."do you have any desire to be around her?" The response is usually, "hell no. I don't want to have anything to do with her. I don't feel safe around her because she could do something like this again." I then advise them to just do a mutual protection order where they are both ordered to have no contact...plus, if it's violated its subject to a motion for contempt of court. If a full CPO is issued and violated, it's a first degree misdemeanor.

This concludes your CPO 101 training for the day.

[xeus]

I don't practice in Kentucky, but in Ohio anyone can file a petition for a Civil Protection Order. If he wasn't arrested, then he obviously didn't do anything to rise to the level of DV. I have no idea what happened, but I see jilted, angry people file for CPO's on a daily basis. Generally speaking, a woman files a CPO and alleges that she was the victim of violence or that there was a threat of physical violence and that she feared for her safety. The Magistrate then has a short ex parte hearing (other side not there), wherein the Magistrate hears the victim's side of things and determines whether an ex parte (didn't hear Respondent's side of story) order is appropriate. If the Magistrate thinks there may be a risk that something will happen, an ex parte civil protection order is signed and the respondent is served the petition and ex parte order at the same time along with a hearing within 7 days so his side can be heard. If the Magistrate hears the victim's side only and doesn't issue an ex parte civil protection order, then the Magistrate isn't convinced the petitioner is in danger. The respondent is still served with the petition and a hearing is scheduled...but if the petitioner can't get an ex parte order with their side being the only one heard, then their goose is pretty much cooked. If Kentucky is similar, it will be interesting to see if the ex parte order is granted.

Either way, I sincerely doubt there will be punishment from this. Maybe there was a threat made in the heat of the moment...maybe it's an angry ex...lots of times I ask my client one thing..."do you have any desire to be around her?" The response is usually, "hell no. I don't want to have anything to do with her. I don't feel safe around her because she could do something like this again." I then advise them to just do a mutual protection order where they are both ordered to have no contact...plus, if it's violated its subject to a motion for contempt of court. If a full CPO is issued and violated, it's a first degree misdemeanor.

This concludes your CPO 101 training for the day.

Can someone please pick up Nigel's mic?

[xu82]

I hope there's not a quiz! But a certificate of completion suitable for framing to all those who read the whole thing might be in order.

But I'll take any good news I can get!

[Cheesehead]

Let's hope this thing was blown out of proportion.

[gladdenguy]

I just wanna know casualfan's goal/motive for this thread?

This is a complaint filed. Who gives a shit? Do u wanna be the first one to report this?

[Emp]

A bit harsh there GG. It's news about a Xavier basketball player most of us like. How bad it is/isn't is newsworthy to at least some of us. Now if he was raging and thrashing about Brexit.......

[Drew]

I don't practice in Kentucky, but in Ohio anyone can file a petition for a Civil Protection Order. If he wasn't arrested, then he obviously didn't do anything to rise to the level of DV. I have no idea what happened, but I see jilted, angry people file for CPO's on a daily basis. Generally speaking, a woman files a CPO and alleges that she was the victim of violence or that there was a threat of physical violence and that she feared for her safety. The Magistrate then has a short ex parte hearing (other side not there), wherein the Magistrate hears the victim's side of things and determines whether an ex parte (didn't hear Respondent's side of story) order is appropriate. If the Magistrate thinks there may be a risk that something will happen, an ex parte civil protection order is signed and the respondent is served the petition and ex parte order at the same time along with a hearing within 7 days so his side can be heard. If the Magistrate hears the victim's side only and doesn't issue an ex parte civil protection order, then the Magistrate isn't convinced the petitioner is in danger. The respondent is still served with the petition and a hearing is scheduled...but if the petitioner can't get an ex parte order with their side being the only one heard, then their goose is pretty much cooked. If Kentucky is similar, it will be interesting to see if the ex parte order is granted.

Either way, I sincerely doubt there will be punishment from this. Maybe there was a threat made in the heat of the moment...maybe it's an angry ex...lots of times I ask my client one thing..."do you have any desire to be around her?" The response is usually, "hell no. I don't want to have anything to do with her. I don't feel safe around her because she could do something like this again." I then advise them to just do a mutual protection order where they are both ordered to have no contact...plus, if it's violated its subject to a motion for contempt of court. If a full CPO is issued and violated, it's a first degree misdemeanor.

This concludes your CPO 101 training for the day.

You have been appointed the "XavierHoops" consigliere, you can't refuse.

[Muskie]

I just wanna know casualfan's goal/motive for this thread?

This is a complaint filed. Who gives a shit? Do u wanna be the first one to report this?

Goal? informing the masses? If he hadn't, I suspect someone else would have?

[X-band '01]

Apparently declarative statements are a pet peeve of Muskie.

[XU 87]

Following up on Nigel's post, Domestic violence complaints can be and are often abused as a weapon by a disgruntled spouse or ex-girlfriend, or in some cases, ex-boyfriend.

[SemajParlor]

You have been appointed the "XavierHoops" consigliere, you can't refuse.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvKXt3Surlk

[throwbackmuskie]

I just wanna know casualfan's goal/motive for this thread?

This is a complaint filed. Who gives a shit? Do u wanna be the first one to report this?

It is his MO since he joined here, loves to post all the negative stuff.

[Backyard Champ]

I just wanna know casualfan's goal/motive for this thread?

This is a complaint filed. Who gives a shit? Do u wanna be the first one to report this?

It was news regarding a Xavier player. Not sure what you don't get about it?

[X-band '01]

It is his MO since he joined here, loves to post all the negative stuff.

Not really. When in doubt, just click on the poster's name (click View Forum Posts) to look at his or her past history.

[throwbackmuskie]

Not really. When in doubt, just click on the poster's name (click View Forum Posts) to look at his or her past history.

if you say so, but I have seen many of his posts in the other direction.

[Mrs. Garrett]

It was news regarding a Xavier player. Not sure what you don't get about it?

Was it really news? Or did someone with inside information make something public that didn't have to be?

[X-band '01]

Was it really news? Or did someone with inside information make something public that didn't have to be?

There were also a few isolated tweets from UC fans before Casual posted this on here, so it's not like he was the only one who brought this to the table.

Let's also not forget that last night was Xavier night at the Reds' game - there would definitely have been some awkward questions on the air if this thing had any legitimate legs.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Following up on Nigel's post, Domestic violence complaints can be and are often abused as a weapon by a disgruntled spouse or ex-girlfriend, or in some cases, ex-boyfriend.

People also abuse them to try to get temporary custody of children prior to filing a complaint for divorce. Its a dirty tactic most times and most Magistrates are privy to the abuse. The Magistrate I primarily practice in front of HATES CPOs...she rarely grants them ex parte unless the facts are egregious.

[Muskie]

People also abuse them to try to get temporary custody of children prior to filing a complaint for divorce. Its a dirty tactic most times and most Magistrates are privy to the abuse. The Magistrate I primarily practice in front of HATES CPOs...she rarely grants them ex parte unless the facts are egregious.

I deal with them every day in Indiana as well. Serious thought needs to be give in re-writing these statutes.

[GoMuskies]

You guys make me so happy not to be a real lawyer. :)

[OH.X.MI]

I deal with them every day in Indiana as well. Serious thought needs to be give in re-writing these statutes.

If anything they should not be a public record. An ex parte hearing on an issue that's prone to so much abuse should not be available to the public.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Second this, and why I said in an earlier post to ask questions why it's so easy to get some information off of court websites.


If anything they should not be a public record. An ex parte hearing on an issue that's prone to so much abuse should not be available to the public.

[waggy]

Most people think exposing issues to public scrutiny makes them less suspect to abuse. Civil cases are appealing to the public. You can't have it both ways.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

My point was, in a case like this you could make the protection order public after the judge signed it rather than just the request.

[94GRAD]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/2016/07/20/ex-gets-protective-order-against-xavier-player-myles-davis/87346972/

[X-band '01]

Enquirer Update on the Protective Order against Myles Davis (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/2016/07/20/ex-gets-protective-order-against-xavier-player-myles-davis/87346972/)

[GoMuskies]

Well, none of that sounds great. Hopefully there's nothing to it.

If Myles has to go to jail for six months (I know there's a 0% chance of that), hopefully that starts, say, April 5th.

[X-band '01]

The case is now posted (as to the damaging of his ex's cellphone) on Hamilton County's website. This arraignment is scheduled for next Monday at 12:30 PM.

Looks like he was cited on July 12 (not sure that equates a physical arrest) and a formal complaint was filed yesterday.

[LA Muskie]

I won't presume to know what happened. Often -- but not always -- allegations like these are made up or embellished. I very much hope they are not true. But even if they aren't, Myles is about to learn a few solid life lessons.


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[casualfan]

Not really. When in doubt, just click on the poster's name (click View Forum Posts) to look at his or her past history.

Thank you. My posting history speaks for itself. You may not agree with me 100% of the time, but saying "i only post about the negative stuff" is false.

If anything I went out of my way to be careful about bringing this up because it was just a rumor. And I'm glad I was because the situation is much different than what i was originally told.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I miss the days when the biggest off-season arrest was a player stealing back a pug from their ex-girlfriend.

[OH.X.MI]

While the publicity is unfortunate for Myles, to some degree I have to think he's far better of having this transpire in an actual court rather than with Xavier. We all know how "fair and impartial" that process was the last time a player was accused of something of similar. The truth will come out and I hope Xavier deals with it fairly once all is known.

[SemajParlor]

I miss the days when the biggest off-season arrest was a player stealing back a pug from their ex-girlfriend.

I mean, is what's being alleged really worse than that?

[spursy]

I mean, is what's being alleged really worse than that?

Yes, threats of violence towards your partner/ex-partner is a really scummy thing to do.

[Xville]

Well, what we can agree on is either myles or this girl is a psycho.

[SemajParlor]

Call me a biased homer, I'm giving Myles the benefit of the doubt on this until we find out more information. What more can the guy do to prove this would be very out of character?

Don't mean to be naive, but last time a high character guy was accused of something I felt bad for ever doubting him.

[SemajParlor]

Yes, threats of violence towards your partner/ex-partner is a really scummy thing to do.

I briefly read the article first time around, thought it was just the cell phone. Went back and yes, you are correct. My post was wrong there.

[Juice]

Well, what we can agree on is either myles or this girl is a psycho.

Probably both or somewhere in the middle

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am biased as I have history with psycho ex-girlfriends/wives, but a phone(s maybe) and punching out walls doesn't seem like much even if true. The alleged threat goes with the territory. That will get tossed in no matter what the facts are.

I biked with a guy whose wife at the time called the cops on him while he was in their backyard playing in the pool with their twins. She told the cops he tried to drown her, cops had to at least investigate regardless of the fact she was bone dry. That guy has list of her crazy a mile long.

[xeus]

I support Myles Davis.

[XUFan09]

I am biased as I have history with psycho ex-girlfriends/wives, but a phone(s maybe) and punching out walls doesn't seem like much even if true. The alleged threat goes with the territory. That will get tossed in no matter what the facts are.

I biked with a guy whose wife at the time called the cops on him while he was in their backyard playing in the pool with their twins. She told the cops he tried to drown her, cops had to at least investigate regardless of the fact she was bone dry. That guy has list of her crazy a mile long.

Some of her claims are easily verified, so their truth will come out pretty easily one way or another:

- Emailing despite her requests for him to leave her alone. Emails are permanent history. If she didn't respond to these, it would suggest that she was trying to ignore him. If she simply replied, "Leave me alone," it would obviously confirm her claim. However, if she replied otherwise, then that would refute her claim.

- Punching hole in the wall. With drywall*, one can pretty easily determine if a hole was knocked in a wall somewhere after it's fixed if a person indicates where it happened. Assuming she's renting, this would also likely have been taken care of by the landlord and she/he would have been charged for the service. The absence of a hole would refute her claim, while the presence of a hole would suggest its veracity (though a hole could have been knocked in the wall through other means, and she could just be taking an opportunity).


I'm willing to bet that though there probably is some truth to some of the things she's saying, the claims themselves are exaggerated and the product of the end of an unhealthy relationship. His response that he wants nothing to do with her either suggests that mainly these are two people that need to be separated from one another. My sister-in-law currently has a no-contact order against her soon-to-be-ex-husband, and the tone of that situation is entirely different from this one. I know I'm dealing with anecdotal evidence, but frankly, this situation doesn't appear nearly as serious as that.


* Drywall is the only type of material I can think of that someone could punch through while not being able to punch through a window. It's also really hard to punch wholes through other standard wall materials. If it's not drywall, I'm calling bullshit.

[bobbiemcgee]

Emails? I delete 90% of mine without ever opening. Guess she doesn't have the block function either. C'mon, nobody has to open them unless they want to.

[XUFan09]

Emails? I delete 90% of mine without ever opening. Guess she doesn't have the block function either. C'mon, nobody has to open them unless they want to.
It's the Internet; there's a permanent record. That actually includes whether she opened them.

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[SemajParlor]

Just make sure they're not confidential ayooooo

[xavierj]

Just read the enquirer article and she said he damaged 5 of her cell phones. Why would anyone have 5 cell phones?

[GoMuskies]

Just read the enquirer article and she said he damaged 5 of her cell phones. Why would anyone have 5 cell phones?

Walter White had many cell phones.

[xu82]

Walter White had many cell phones.

Tom Brady had quite a collection too, but he did the dirty work himself...

[LA Muskie]

Just read the enquirer article and she said he damaged 5 of her cell phones. Why would anyone have 5 cell phones?
I presume they were possessed sequentially, not simultaneously. Unless she's Walter White. Or Tom Brady. Or the weird guy sitting next to me at Starbucks.

[xu82]

I presume they were possessed sequentially, not simultaneously. Unless she's Walter White. Or Tom Brady. Or the weird guy sitting next to me at Starbucks.

I hope that's not a mirror....

[THRILLHOUSE]

Just read the enquirer article and she said he damaged 5 of her cell phones. Why would anyone have 5 cell phones?

I thought that was odd too. Did she have 5 cell phones at the same time? Or did Myles bust through her door like the kool aid man every time she bought a new phone and proceed to destroy it?

[Woodburn]

I am a criminal defense attorney. And a father. And a Xavier grad. This young woman is/was a Xavier student as well.

I have been involved in more of these situations than I can count. Some of them have been extremely high profile. Let me assure you all: none of us will likely ever know the full truth of what happened. That cuts both ways.

I am only responding to try and prevent some of you from embarassing the rest of us. "Don't have to open emails?" Get the fuck out. Would you say that if Myles Davis wasn't a basketball player and the alleged victim was your daughter?

Before the flames begin, my point is NOT that Myles Davis is guilty, a bad guy etc. I don't know. Neither do 99% of you. My point is that some of you need to slow your roll.

I don't consider myself a blue hair. But I am not myopic either.

[Juice]

If the email stuff is true they could have also charged him with telecommunications harassment, if he had actually contacted her multiple times and if in fact she has told him to stop. It's usually something police avoid charging unless it rises to an egregious level (e.g. the Indian Hill crazy woman from last year).

[paulxu]

Is this going to screw up Sister Rose's record?

[GoMuskies]

Is this going to screw up Sister Rose's record?

This couldn't do it. Sister's record is for everyone who exhausts their eligibility graduating. If something happens here, Davis wouldn't exhaust his eligibility.

Of course, after being here four years, wouldn't Myles have already graduated?

[paulxu]

I'm stupid and can't find out if he was one of the 4 graduates this year. Was he?

[Nigel Tufnel]

I am a criminal defense attorney. And a father. And a Xavier grad. This young woman is/was a Xavier student as well.

I have been involved in more of these situations than I can count. Some of them have been extremely high profile. Let me assure you all: none of us will likely ever know the full truth of what happened. That cuts both ways.

I am only responding to try and prevent some of you from embarassing the rest of us. "Don't have to open emails?" Get the fuck out. Would you say that if Myles Davis wasn't a basketball player and the alleged victim was your daughter?

Before the flames begin, my point is NOT that Myles Davis is guilty, a bad guy etc. I don't know. Neither do 99% of you. My point is that some of you need to slow your roll.

I don't consider myself a blue hair. But I am not myopic either.

I agree 100%. Nobody will know. But no DV charges speak volumes. The petition could have merit or it could be frivolous. If Myles acted out or did something inappropriate, then a CPO should be ordered. If he didn't, then like GoMuskies said, he's learning a valuable life lesson. I think one point is clear...he and that young lady need to stay the hell away from one another.

[GoMuskies]

To be clear, I never said he was learning a valuable life lesson. That sounds way too wise and measured to have come from me.

Let's hope he doesn't have to learn any valuable life lessons about how whether Oz is realistic or not.

[MarvAlbert]

One way or the other, something happened. I think that as X fans, we tend to believe our guys, because we all know them personally and know how they will respond to every situation. /sarcasm. These kids are individuals that are figuring out life. Do I think that we live in an age of over-blaming? yes. Do I think we also live in a day and age of hyper-sensitivity? yes. Should our athletes be aware of that? Absolutely. I don't know what happened at all and neither do most of you. Something happened that either made a woman fear for her well being or made her make it up. 99.99% of us will never know. Just because Myles has an old man game doesn't mean he doesn't have a young man's temper. None of us know. I tend to believe Myles, but I reserve judgment.

I didint read the lase 3-4 pages, so if my post seems like an asshole sounding off- it is...I just kept being an asshole

[X-band '01]

If the email stuff is true they could have also charged him with telecommunications harassment, if he had actually contacted her multiple times and if in fact she has told him to stop. It's usually something police avoid charging unless it rises to an egregious level (e.g. the Indian Hill crazy woman from last year).

Ah yes, Crystal Pleatman. There's a story that I hope we don't have to rehash anytime soon.

[Cheesehead]

I hate the f-ing off season!

I do not know what Myles did or did not do but, my gut tells me this sounds like some of this is BS. If one were to take a look at her social media crap, one might come to the conclusion that Myles should in fact stay away from her, but mostly for his own sake.

Everything will play itself in good time. I really want to believe Myles will pull through this and end being ok.

[xukeith]

I hate the f-ing off season!

I do not know what Myles did or did not do but, my gut tells me this sounds like some of this is BS. If one were to take a look at her social media crap, one might come to the conclusion that Myles should in fact stay away from her, but mostly for his own sake.

Everything will play itself in good time. I really want to believe Myles will pull through this and end being ok.

we will never know BUT probably something DID happen.
Myles and other person involved hopefully will learn from it and become better persons.
Bigger things in life than basketball.

[bleedXblue]

Come on guys. We've all been part of heated arguments. You lose your temper, do and say some stupid things and then usually regret the hell out of it after the fact. I'm sure both parties share in some of the responsibility of what happened. Lets hope Myles learned a lesson and can get through this and back to school and basketball.

[SemajParlor]

Let's hope he doesn't have to learn any valuable life lessons about how whether Oz is realistic or not.

That aging pill story line was worse than when Tony thought he was Kevin Finnerty.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I won't get into the specifics of emails, damaged walls, or phones. I am just going to say that I can relate to having dated a few psycho chicks in my time. Now I handled most the same way, I just calmly let them freak out and then told them to tell their story walking. A much more emotional person could easily get caught up in the situation and things like excessive emails and tossing around phones could happen.

There is so far only an order of protection, there are no charges against him specifically, so there is no reason to jump to any conclusions. I personally have seen two explosive people get so crazy with each other that resulted in a similar situation with the courts, but also resulted in a lot of accusations culminating from zero laws being broken.

[SC in DC]

O Goody, MD got some pub from ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17117806/myles-davis-xavier-musketeers-protective-order-filed-ex-girlfriend

[GoMuskies]

Worst part of this article? They put an "An" before Xavier. And you know what that means!

[X-band '01]

Worst part of this article? They put an "An" before Xavier. And you know what that means!

A Dayton writer wrote the article _avier? They're so cute.

[SemajParlor]

Is there any sort of sentiment if there is going to be a punishment / what that punishment will be?

[Nigel Tufnel]

O Goody, MD got some pub from ESPN.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/17117806/myles-davis-xavier-musketeers-protective-order-filed-ex-girlfriend

His reason for agreeing to the protection order sound familiar? He even agreed to the full protection order where it's a misdemeanor if he violates it....regardless of whether she tries to contact him. That's his next hurdle. In Ohio, if she tries to contact him or if she has a friend reach out to him to say she's sorry and wants him back or if she texts him, doesn't matter. If the order is violated, regardless of the circumstances, he's looking at a criminal charge. If he responds to a text from her or picks up the phone knowing it's her, criminal charge.

I'm sure his lawyer has stressed this to him...the only way he can have any contact with her in the next 3 years is if she goes back to Court and asks the Judge to dismiss it.

Session 2 of CPO's 101 is now concluded.

[XUFan09]

His reason for agreeing to the protection order sound familiar? He even agreed to the full protection order where it's a misdemeanor if he violates it....regardless of whether she tries to contact him. That's his next hurdle. In Ohio, if she tries to contact him or if she has a friend reach out to him to say she's sorry and wants him back or if she texts him, doesn't matter. If the order is violated, regardless of the circumstances, he's looking at a criminal charge. If he responds to a text from her or picks up the phone knowing it's her, criminal charge.

I'm sure his lawyer has stressed this to him...the only way he can have any contact with her in the next 3 years is if she goes back to Court and asks the Judge to dismiss it.

Session 2 of CPO's 101 is now concluded.
That sounds like a bad law. If the one requesting the order in the first place makes first contact, she's dismissing that protection. Or rather, she should be.

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[Nigel Tufnel]

That sounds like a bad law. If the one requesting the order in the first place makes first contact, she's dismissing that protection. Or rather, she should be.

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Only person that dismisses anything is the Judge. Plus, can you imagine the finger pointing and back and forth about who contacted who? I actually think it works better. In Ohio, the Magistrates make it abundantly clear. If she reaches out to you, you cannot think it's ok and contact her. That is a violation of the protection order. The only way you can have contact with her and not be in violation is if the protective order is dismissed.

Of course, when people have kids, the Judges can add orders about no contact except child exchanges, issues with child exchanges (flat tire, etc) or emergency communications regarding the child. But when there are no kids involved, these exceptions aren't added. Initiated contact is still a violation.

[xu82]

Only person that dismisses anything is the Judge. Plus, can you imagine the finger pointing and back and forth about who contacted who? I actually think it works better. In Ohio, the Magistrates make it abundantly clear. If she reaches out to you, you cannot think it's ok and contact her. That is a violation of the protection order. The only way you can have contact with her and not be in violation is if the protective order is dismissed.

Of course, when people have kids, the Judges can add orders about no contact except child exchanges, issues with child exchanges (flat tire, etc) or emergency communications regarding the child. But when there are no kids involved, these exceptions aren't added. Initiated contact is still a violation.

That's where we are with our son and grandson. Our son won custody (which tells you something about the mother) and she has the right to contact her son daily (who is 2 and a half with the attention span of a gnat). So felt that gave her the right to call more than 40 times an hour while our son was at work (where his cell is used for work) and call or text over a hundred times a weekend. Now she's stalking the sweet new (and apparently sane) girlfriend on social media. After spending somewhere between a very nice new car and a small house on the custody case, we are getting billed for more hours on a Cease and Desist situation. But she still gets some contact per the original court order. It's one expensive nightmare, believe me! But a tiny little life is at stake, so.....$$$$$

[XUFan09]

Only person that dismisses anything is the Judge. Plus, can you imagine the finger pointing and back and forth about who contacted who? I actually think it works better. In Ohio, the Magistrates make it abundantly clear. If she reaches out to you, you cannot think it's ok and contact her. That is a violation of the protection order. The only way you can have contact with her and not be in violation is if the protective order is dismissed.

Of course, when people have kids, the Judges can add orders about no contact except child exchanges, issues with child exchanges (flat tire, etc) or emergency communications regarding the child. But when there are no kids involved, these exceptions aren't added. Initiated contact is still a violation.
I was more thinking in the context of a text or phone call, where the initiator is on a permanent electronic record. Things like a friend reaching out, though, are much trickier.

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[Nigel Tufnel]

I was more thinking in the context of a text or phone call, where the initiator is on a permanent electronic record. Things like a friend reaching out, though, are much trickier.

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Understood. And it doesn't matter. When you are ordered to have no contact, that means no contact...even if the "victim" tries to initiate contact.

[Nigel Tufnel]

That's where we are with our son and grandson. Our son won custody (which tells you something about the mother) and she has the right to contact her son daily (who is 2 and a half with the attention span of a gnat). So felt that gave her the right to call more than 40 times an hour while our son was at work (where his cell is used for work) and call or text over a hundred times a weekend. Now she's stalking the sweet new (and apparently sane) girlfriend on social media. After spending somewhere between a very nice new car and a small house on the custody case, we are getting billed for more hours on a Cease and Desist situation. But she still gets some contact per the original court order. It's one expensive nightmare, believe me! But a tiny little life is at stake, so.....$$$$$

It can be expensive...but it should never be that expensive. And why spend money on cease and desist order. Have your son call the cops and ask them to call her and threaten a telephonic harassment charge if she doesn't stop. That works quite well in Ohio. Especially if he can show the cops her 100 calls a weekend. I think I'm a competent lawyer but a bad businessman. I would have her try that before paying me money to file paperwork. Like I said...cops call someone and tell them if they don't knock it off, criminal charges will be filed...that's usually pretty effective. And that's free. No bill coming in the mail. Most expensive divorce and custody case I've had is $15K...and that's one in 17 years. Some lawyers want to help people going through a tough life experience. Some see it as $$$. I'm the former...just can't switch to the dark side. Especially when kids are involved.

[xu82]

It can be expensive...but it should never be that expensive. And why spend money on cease and desist order. Have your son call the cops and ask them to call her and threaten a telephonic harassment charge if she doesn't stop. That works quite well in Ohio. Especially if he can show the cops her 100 calls a weekend. I think I'm a competent lawyer but a bad businessman. I would have her try that before paying me money to file paperwork. Like I said...cops call someone and tell them if they don't knock it off, criminal charges will be filed...that's usually pretty effective. And that's free. No bill coming in the mail. Most expensive divorce and custody case I've had is $15K...and that's one in 17 years. Some lawyers want to help people going through a tough life experience. Some see it as $$$. I'm the former...just can't switch to the dark side. Especially when kids are involved.

If you lived in Georgia I would throw in a Super Hero cape! Even the mediator said if we couldn't settle and went to court it would cost about $100k. Of course, they all know each other, so.... As it turns out we spent well more than half of that. An adorable little child can NOT live with a suicidal, bat shit crazy mother in her mother's house with a drug addict brother in the basement. Not happening. The child needs a chance. Glad we had the money. ("Had" being the critical word there.). We didn't do the cease and desist through court, just a letter to her attorney. Seems to have taken the wind out of her sails, until next time.

In fairness, I do NOT mean to make fun of mental illness, but that's a big NO GO!

[Muskie]

Understood. And it doesn't matter. When you are ordered to have no contact, that means no contact...even if the "victim" tries to initiate contact.

I deal with this literally every day in my law practice. It's truly zero tolerance.


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[bleedXblue]

His reason for agreeing to the protection order sound familiar? He even agreed to the full protection order where it's a misdemeanor if he violates it....regardless of whether she tries to contact him. That's his next hurdle. In Ohio, if she tries to contact him or if she has a friend reach out to him to say she's sorry and wants him back or if she texts him, doesn't matter. If the order is violated, regardless of the circumstances, he's looking at a criminal charge. If he responds to a text from her or picks up the phone knowing it's her, criminal charge.

I'm sure his lawyer has stressed this to him...the only way he can have any contact with her in the next 3 years is if she goes back to Court and asks the Judge to dismiss it.

Session 2 of CPO's 101 is now concluded.

So, if she calls him directly and he answers his phone, it's a criminal charge..........that's a joke right?

[Juice]

So, if she calls him directly and he answers his phone, it's a criminal charge..........that's a joke right?

Probably not but if he calls back yes.

[drudy23]

I'm not going through the whole thread, but the only thing I care about....

Did Dedrick's dog come up anywhere in this thread? Because that would make my day.

[GoMuskies]

Did Dedrick's dog come up anywhere in this thread? Because that would make my day.


Of course it did.

[94GRAD]

i'm not going through the whole thread, but the only thing i care about....

Did dedrick's dog come up anywhere in this thread? Because that would make my day.

yes!

[paulxu]

Good lord. Can't we get on ESPN for something besides protective orders and pants on the ground?

Know it's all part of the deal with young guys who feel entitled, but would be nice to go through a summer without some crap showing up.

[GoMuskies]

Chris Mack was just on ESPN for being a stand-up comic had basketball coaching not worked out.

[paulxu]

OK then.

[Nigel Tufnel]

So, if she calls him directly and he answers his phone, it's a criminal charge..........that's a joke right?

If he was naive enough to admit that he knew it was her calling and he answered, then he could be charged.

[bleedXblue]

If he was naive enough to admit that he knew it was her calling and he answered, then he could be charged.

No judge in their right mind would do that. You cant prove a damn thing about whether or not he knew for sure it was her calling. You can only prove who the originator of the call was.

[MADXSTER]

If he was naive enough to admit that he knew it was her calling and he answered, then he could be charged.

Would seem like entrapment

[Nigel Tufnel]

No judge in their right mind would do that. You cant prove a damn thing about whether or not he knew for sure it was her calling. You can only prove who the originator of the call was.

I didn't post anything about the judge. I simply said that if he was naive enough to admit that his phone rang, the caller ID indicated the call was coming from her, and he answered the phone and it was her, he could be charged...I didn't say anything about being convicted.

And Mad, entrapment involves law enforcement.

[Muskie]

No judge in their right mind would do that. You cant prove a damn thing about whether or not he knew for sure it was her calling. You can only prove who the originator of the call was.

Happens all the time in my state. It's ridiculous. But it gets prosecuted and results in a conviction more than you can believe.


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[Nigel Tufnel]

Happens all the time in my state. It's ridiculous. But it gets prosecuted and results in a conviction more than you can believe.


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Yup.

[Roadlife]

Might be a good idea for him to put her number on the "Blocked Call" list.

[Nocalmuskie]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/25/xaviers-myles-davis-pleads-not-guilty-plea-criminal-damaging-case/87532884/

[STL_XUfan]

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/crime/2016/07/25/xaviers-myles-davis-pleads-not-guilty-plea-criminal-damaging-case/87532884/

Kinda bush league by the enquirer to release the victim's name.

[GoMuskies]

Kinda bush league by the enquirer to release the victim's name.

It's public record.

[STL_XUfan]

It's public record.

True, but even this site made the editorial decision not to publish her name when we could all easily find it. Just seems seems like bad policy to publish a victim's name in the newspaper, especially when it concerns a public figure.

[xuwin]

True, but even this site made the editorial decision not to publish her name when we could all easily find it. Just seems seems like bad policy to publish a victim's name in the newspaper, especially when it concerns a public figure.

Do you think it is ok to publish the name of the accused but not the victim when the case has not been tried yet? False accusations are not unusual.

[nuts4xu]

True, but even this site made the editorial decision not to publish her name when we could all easily find it. Just seems seems like bad policy to publish a victim's name in the newspaper, especially when it concerns a public figure.

If you are brave enough to file charges against someone, you should understand details about you will circulate as well. It goes with the territory. I realize there are cases where the alleged victim's name should be sealed, but something like this, is fair game.

[LA Muskie]

Many reputable news agencies do not name the alleged victim of sex crimes. Not because it's not newsworthy, but to avoid participating in the stigmatization of victims. Does that mean false accusers sometimes get a free pass? Yes, it does. Is the alleged victim's identity typically discoverable, either through public sources or by reporting from other news sources? Yes, it is. From a news reporting perspective, it's a judgment call. I personally applaud those that do not report on alleged victim's identities.

This, however, is not alleged to be a sex crime.

[Masterofreality]

This was not a "sex crime" but merely a misdemeanor dispute.

Love the way the Enamaquirer classifies it as a "criminal charge". Technically, it may be, but if that's the case anyone given a traffic ticket is a "Criminal".

[LA Muskie]

This was not a "sex crime" but merely a misdemeanor dispute.

Love the way the Enamaquirer classifies it as a "criminal charge". Technically, it may be, but if that's the case anyone given a traffic ticket is a "Criminal".
You're right. And that was going to be my point, but I forgot to include it.

As for the alleged "crime" -- it's not really the equivalent of a ticket (which is an "infraction"). Technically, it's a misdemeanor allegation. But I agree that if the only thing this is about is a cell phone (or 5) it's being blown out of proportion.

[Drew]

Work is slow and I am bored so I stepped on this Butler thread. http://butlerhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1322

They are pretty much the new "Dayton", just nerdier.

[X-band '01]

When have Dayton fans ever hijacked a Xavier thread in favor of grammar? We've had a thread hijacked for grammar AND namecalling!

[GoMuskies]

I think Snipe hijacked that thread.