View Full Version : Nobody wants Jalen ?
So far no team has taken a flyer on Reynolds. Hell, Kellen Dunham even got picked up.
bleedXblue
06-26-2016, 02:51 PM
Is Jalen deserving somehow? He was an above average player. Not even an all league caliber.
Is Jalen deserving somehow? He was an above average player. Not even an all league caliber.
The NBA IS full of guys not even his caliber, especially summer league teams and do league.
There has been speculation about this for years. We will now see how far Jalen drifts to find a level appropriate for him. I never thought it would be in the NBA. He has the body, but just failed to develop other than a bit in his self control. O'Mara had better post moves as a freshman, with only a tiny fraction of the athleticism. I can't blame the staff, as I've seen what they've done with others over the years. I wish I knew why he never put it together more, but there will be a place for him. I wish him all the best.
MHettel
06-26-2016, 04:00 PM
Honestly, he was an entertaining player and could put it all together on occasion to dominate for stretches....
But he's never gotten it together mentally. Dumb fouls quick temper and the occasional bonehead play will all need to be addressed before he can make any real money at the sport. He can play in lower pro league where his phyisical dominance overshadows his weaknesses.
94GRAD
06-26-2016, 04:11 PM
Did you not notice how low his basketball IQ is over the last 3 years? Not surprised at all.
xavierj
06-26-2016, 06:33 PM
My guess is that he makes a bunch of money somewhere, just not the NBA. He will be fine. No need to take shots at him.
He's one of US. A Xavier grad. Agree with Xavier J......cmon Jalen!
Snipe
06-26-2016, 07:14 PM
I hope he gets a shot. This will humble the young man. He needs to work hard and turn it into a positive. When he was on he was like and unstoppable freight train. The kids had power and skilz
He's one of US. A Xavier grad. Agree with Xavier J......cmon Jalen!
NOT speaking ill of Jalen. He's a beast and will play somewhere. If he puts it all together the sky's the limit! Just hope it all comes together for him. He's got the potential.
Juice
06-26-2016, 07:16 PM
He's one of US. A Xavier grad. Agree with Xavier J......cmon Jalen!
Yeah, what's up with this board? He graduated from X and played 3 really good years here. No need to talk shit as he gets ready for the next phase in his life.
mistabeecee41
06-26-2016, 07:21 PM
The draft was 3 days ago, summer league negotiations just started. I'd be shocked if he isn't on a summer league roster.
Backyard Champ
06-26-2016, 07:40 PM
One of the worst things about this board is how posters get so negative towards players who leave early. Though in Jalens case, he's pretty old and it was a no brainer.
LA Muskie
06-27-2016, 12:17 AM
Here's the thing. I'm not trying to "be negative" toward him. I'm just trying to be real. I don't think he's an NBA talent. And I don't think he'll make "a lot" of money overseas, either. Mainly for the reasons previously addressed. Do I wish that were not the case? Of course. Am I pulling for him to turn the corner? Absolutely. But let's not rail on fans just because they can see -- and state -- the obvious.
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Masterofreality
06-27-2016, 08:20 AM
My guess is that he makes a bunch of money somewhere, just not the NBA. He will be fine. No need to take shots at him.
He's one of US. A Xavier grad. Agree with Xavier J......cmon Jalen!
Absolutely. He's one of us. Enough with the negatives. Good luck Jalen!
Milhouse
06-27-2016, 08:50 AM
I hope he's getting the right advice from his agent.
In rare cases some guys (like archidiacano) can pick up a small amount of guaranteed money when signed as FA for summer league....i really hope his agent isn't telling him to hold out for something like that.
I guarantee he's had offers to join teams- but it's also finding a place where you might actually have a shot of playing...
Cheesehead
06-27-2016, 09:34 AM
I love the kid and he seems to be a good person when it comes down to it. With Jalen, it's purely mental. I have heard he did some unbelievable things in practice, so he has the physical tools. Some guys figure it out and some guys don't. I wish him well. He will make money playing basketball somewhere.
birdman71
06-27-2016, 09:43 AM
Absolutely. He's one of us. Enough with the negatives. Good luck Jalen!
Agreed.
mistabeecee41
06-27-2016, 10:40 AM
Maybe she just hasn't been given any info, but Shannon doesn't seem to be doing much in terms of post draft follow-ups. Seems like some of her Big East counterparts have been more involved.
XUFan09
06-27-2016, 11:15 AM
Maybe she just hasn't been given any info, but Shannon doesn't seem to be doing much in terms of post draft follow-ups. Seems like some of her Big East counterparts have been more involved.
I feel like there's just not much to say right now. We are in the stage where agents are talking to different teams, but nothing concrete has happened yet. She had some good stuff on Stainbrook last year, because he was actually working out with various teams and did Summer League.
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drudy23
06-27-2016, 03:14 PM
Did you not notice how low his basketball IQ is over the last 3 years? Not surprised at all.
Exactly...athleticism high - basketball skill and general basketball IQ low.
Stainbrook would eat him alive in the post.
drudy23
06-27-2016, 03:15 PM
And how is providing an honest opinion of his basketball skills being negative? No one has attacked him personally. All have given their thoughts on his strengths and weaknesses.
And I can promise you this...he's heard of all this before from people that matter.
drudy23
06-27-2016, 03:21 PM
I love the kid and he seems to be a good person when it comes down to it. With Jalen, it's purely mental. I have heard he did some unbelievable things in practice, so he has the physical tools. Some guys figure it out and some guys don't. I wish him well. He will make money playing basketball somewhere.
It's more than mental. You have to do more than jump high to play in the NBA.
His offensive post moves are non-existent...I take that back, he has one over the shoulder hook. That's it. His footwork skill is far below that of a 3 year post player. As others have noted, O'Mara has made greater strides in one year in terms of offensive skill set in the post.
He is a liability on defense. He doesn't just have a "propensity" to foul...he's a foul machine. When he's not fouling on the ball from poor footwork, and defensive intelligence, his help side efficiency is not good either. He's not smart with defensive rotations, and is often out of position off the ball.
His jump shot is OK. He's shown some touch from 15 feet. Honestly, he should have used it more to round out his offensive game, but hasn't utlizied it enough for it to be a threat.
His basketball IQ and the ability to keep composed is not good. We've all seen the consequences of that.
I love Jalen too...but what part of this equals NBA player?
Cheesehead
06-28-2016, 09:48 AM
It's more than mental. You have to do more than jump high to play in the NBA.
His offensive post moves are non-existent...I take that back, he has one over the shoulder hook. That's it. His footwork skill is far below that of a 3 year post player. As others have noted, O'Mara has made greater strides in one year in terms of offensive skill set in the post.
He is a liability on defense. He doesn't just have a "propensity" to foul...he's a foul machine. When he's not fouling on the ball from poor footwork, and defensive intelligence, his help side efficiency is not good either. He's not smart with defensive rotations, and is often out of position off the ball.
His jump shot is OK. He's shown some touch from 15 feet. Honestly, he should have used it more to round out his offensive game, but hasn't utlizied it enough for it to be a threat.
His basketball IQ and the ability to keep composed is not good. We've all seen the consequences of that.
I love Jalen too...but what part of this equals NBA player?
The center from the Clippers a guy named Deandre Jordan, pretty much just dunks and cannot make freethrows and he just paid big time. I think Jalen has the physical tools that rival a lot of NBA players. I still believe it's between the ears w/ Jalen (mental, Basketball IQ, composure). It's all part off it.
XUFan09
06-28-2016, 09:54 AM
Save a few posts, this thread appears to already be devolving into a choice between over-the-top critique of Jalen's game and cheerleaderesque support of Jalen.
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Chalmers0
06-28-2016, 10:44 AM
An alarming amount of posts in this thread seem to be confusing NBA Summer League with making an NBA roster. I don't even remotely expect Jalen to make an NBA roster but I am extremely shocked he didn't find a summer league team.
Kenny Frease played in the summer league twice I believe.
XU 87
06-28-2016, 10:55 AM
Save a few posts, this thread appears to already be devolving into a choice between over-the-top critique of Jalen's game and cheerleaderesque support of Jalen.
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I don't think Jalen is an NBA player. He's athletic but lacks some basketball skills. That said, he was a productive player for X and was a key player on a top ten team last year. So I agree with you on some of the over-the top criticism on this thread. He averaged 9.6 ppg and 6.5 rebounds per game last year. He was a good albeit not great player.
xukeith
06-28-2016, 11:01 AM
More importantly, Antoine Walker once worth over $100 Million is bankrupt after spending all his money.
What will Jalen do after knees go bad?
Hope he has a good manager like do what David West did. Live below means, be smart with money allowing so many choices for future.
drudy23
06-28-2016, 11:10 AM
The people overinflating are the ones that think he should be on a team.
There's much proof to that...mostly that HE DIDN'T MAKE A TEAM...draft or summer league. Doesn't that tell you all you need to know?
It's over the top...yet the reality is smacking you right in the face.
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94GRAD
06-28-2016, 11:23 AM
For everyone who said he was going to average a double/double this year... He didn't even average a single double. I wish him well, but stating facts is not a criticism. The NBA is not for average college players, it's for the elite. He will follow other X players overseas and should make a decent amount of money. Hopefully he has a good agent/money manager to help him save it.
XUFan09
06-28-2016, 11:51 AM
The people overinflating are the ones that think he should be on a team.
There's much proof to that...mostly that HE DIDN'T MAKE A TEAM...draft or summer league. Doesn't that tell you all you need to know?
It's over the top...yet the reality is smacking you right in the face.
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Your post only makes sense if I had said that Jalen should make an NBA team or summer roster. I didn't say anything like that, yet somehow you apparently jumped to that conclusion.
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XUFan09
06-28-2016, 11:56 AM
I don't think Jalen is an NBA player. He's athletic but lacks some basketball skills. That said, he was a productive player for X and was a key player on a top ten team last year. So I agree with you on some of the over-the top criticism on this thread. He averaged 9.6 ppg and 6.5 rebounds per game last year. He was a good albeit not great player.
Yep. That's especially true when you take into account that he (and Farr) played only 20 minutes per game or so, yet still managed that productivity. He's a solid choice for a team in Europe and will probably get a decent contract (but nothing special). The skills he did have could have got him a shot at the NBA when paired with his athleticism, but he didn't utilize those skills consistently enough to clearly earn that shot.
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DoubleD86
06-28-2016, 12:04 PM
For everyone who said he was going to average a double/double this year... He didn't even average a single double. I wish him well, but stating facts is not a criticism. The NBA is not for average college players, it's for the elite. He will follow other X players overseas and should make a decent amount of money. Hopefully he has a good agent/money manager to help him save it.
I don't think Jalen is an NBA player by any means, but I feel like you are being a bit tough on Jalen. Yes, he didn't average a double-double. But he did average 9.6 and 6.5 in 19.6 minutes per game. That comes out to a Per 40 rate of 19.6 & 13.2. He had a higher eFG% than Trevon did even though he also had a higher percentage of possessions used. Additionally, he had the 138th best DReb% and the 65th best OReb% in the entire nation.
Jalen had faults as a player, but like others have said it seems this thread has become either too supportive or too negative towards him. He was a very good college player, and honestly many worse players have been invited to a Summer League roster before. It is surprising he hasn't at least had that opportunity, but he will go on to earn plenty of money overseas.
Edit: While I am sure the first response will be there is a reason he wasn't playing more than 19.6 mpg, that is fair, but a bit disingenuous when you take into account X was playing almost exclusively a 4-out lineup and he was splitting minutes with Farr.
markchal
06-28-2016, 12:09 PM
He served his time, was a great player and role model off the floor, and graduated on time. I won't judge his career choices. I do think that Jalen is not helped with how the NBA is changed over the last few years. When Jalen came in, an X fan tried to compare him to a future Dwight Howard, who was pretty good at the time. Now, no one wants a Dwight Howard on their team, they all want bigs that can guard multiple positions and shoot.
drudy23
06-28-2016, 12:22 PM
Your post only makes sense if I had said that Jalen should make an NBA team or summer roster. I didn't say anything like that, yet somehow you apparently jumped to that conclusion.
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I didn't realize I was talking to you. Just making a point based on numerous responses saying the others were unjustly pointing out his weaknesses.
To me, it's obvious those same people have always been overinflating his skills. I get it, he's a Xavier guy. But I'm not shocked he didn't make a summer team, and neither should you if you look at his skill set.
drudy23
06-28-2016, 12:22 PM
Your post only makes sense if I had said that Jalen should make an NBA team or summer roster. I didn't say anything like that, yet somehow you apparently jumped to that conclusion.
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I didn't realize I was talking to you. Just making a point based on numerous responses saying the others were unjustly pointing out his weaknesses.
To me, it's obvious those same people have always been overinflating his skills. I get it, he's a Xavier guy. But I'm not shocked he didn't make a summer team, and neither should you if you look at his skill set.
Cheesehead
06-28-2016, 12:30 PM
For the record, I do not think Jalen is an NBA player. I actually think Farr would get more looks as he rebounds the shit out of the ball and his post game vastly improved last season. I think they both end up playing in Europe making more money than me in my cubicle.
Juice
06-28-2016, 01:44 PM
I didn't realize I was talking to you. Just making a point based on numerous responses saying the others were unjustly pointing out his weaknesses.
To me, it's obvious those same people have always been overinflating his skills. I get it, he's a Xavier guy. But I'm not shocked he didn't make a summer team, and neither should you if you look at his skill set.
No, I was saying that people were unfairly bashing a guy.
paulxu
06-28-2016, 01:56 PM
Apparently this thread is a replacement for the annual summer "Fire Chris Mack" thread.
GoMuskies
06-28-2016, 01:59 PM
Apparently this thread is a replacement for the annual summer "Fire Chris Mack" thread.
We can do both. It's been more than a year since Chris Mack proved he can win a big game in the NCAA Tournament.
Muncie
06-28-2016, 02:23 PM
In the NCAA tournament , all the games are big games just ask the 300 or so coaches that don't make the tournament .
paulxu
06-28-2016, 02:36 PM
We can do both. It's been more than a year since Chris Mack proved he can win a big game in the NCAA Tournament.
True. Should we fire the CBS College Coach of the Year?
GoMuskies
06-28-2016, 03:28 PM
True. Should we fire the CBS College Coach of the Year?
I bet we could get Tim Miles.
Cheesehead
06-29-2016, 09:41 AM
True. Should we fire the CBS College Coach of the Year?
and he no showed the Butler County Steak Fry for USA basketball.... WTF??
HenryMuto
12-28-2016, 09:03 PM
He should have stayed and X could have been a final four contender.
JEHARDI
12-28-2016, 09:27 PM
Glad to see him doing well in Italy.
Juice
12-28-2016, 09:48 PM
He should have stayed and X could have been a final four contender.
He's playing and starting for a team in the top Italian league, and getting paid in the 6 figures. I think he's ok with his decision.
He's playing and starting for a team in the top Italian league, and getting paid in the 6 figures. I think he's ok with his decision.
But he's in Italy! Don't you think he's missing cafeteria food?
D-West & PO-Z
12-28-2016, 10:06 PM
He's playing and starting for a team in the top Italian league, and getting paid in the 6 figures. I think he's ok with his decision.
Yeah no kidding. I'm sure Jalen has no regrets.
Sorry Jalen didnt make his decision based on the wishes of XU fans.
XfansinKy
12-29-2016, 11:24 AM
Who's would you rather have Jalen or Rashid?
muskiefan82
12-29-2016, 11:28 AM
Rashid. The refs don't seem to have a negative opinion of him and his play.
nasdadjr
12-30-2016, 04:11 AM
But he's in Italy! Don't you think he's missing cafeteria food?
No but he missed the pizza vending machine
Woodburn
12-30-2016, 07:59 AM
He's playing and starting for a team in the top Italian league, and getting paid in the 6 figures. I think he's ok with his decision.
Not sure it matters much, but Recanati actually appears to be in Italy's second division. Their gym seats 1k.
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ammtd34
12-30-2016, 09:13 AM
Ouch. It looks like his team is 2-13. Travis Bader, the SG from Oakland plays with him.
But it looks like he's averaging 19 and 13 while shooting 63% from the floor and 79% from the line.
Juice
12-30-2016, 09:14 AM
Not sure it matters much, but Recanati actually appears to be in Italy's second division. Their gym seats 1k.
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You're correct.
Muskie
12-30-2016, 09:40 AM
Ouch. It looks like his team is 2-13. Travis Bader, the SG from Oakland plays with him.
But it looks like he's averaging 19 and 13 while shooting 63% from the floor and 79% from the line.
I'm glad Jalen is playing well. As I've said many times. It was never a question of talent. It was a question of motivation. I'm not convinced he would have made much a difference if he had stayed another year ( before you grab your pitchforks) if his motivation wasn't there.
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No but he missed the pizza vending machine
A current student told me that, despite all the hype, it doesn't even work.
Muskie
12-30-2016, 03:34 PM
A current student told me that, despite all the hype, it doesn't even work.
I've seen four people use it successfully. So apparently mileage may vary.
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I've seen four people use it successfully. So apparently mileage may vary.
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This was a few months ago at least, so maybe they've worked things out.
nasdadjr
12-30-2016, 05:58 PM
A current student told me that, despite all the hype, it doesn't even work.
What!!! I'm going to my first game this year versus creighton and was going to try and find this... what a bummer
Muskie
12-30-2016, 06:54 PM
What!!! I'm going to my first game this year versus creighton and was going to try and find this... what a bummer
It is right past Currito on the right before the cafeteria. I have seen people use it successfully.
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What!!! I'm going to my first game this year versus creighton and was going to try and find this... what a bummer
I'll be there Saturday, Jan 7, and I'll try to give a critique. I bet it's up and running now. I spoke to a current student right before 1st semester started and she said it was a no-go then.
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