Tre Leaving? (Nope)

[OTRMUSKIE]

My buddy told me he heard that Tre hired an agent or was going to, has anybody heard this? That will be a huge blow to this team.

[casualfan]

My buddy told me he heard that Tre hired an agent or was going to, has anybody heard this? That will be a huge blow to this team.

I was told awhile ago that he'd consider staying in the draft if he got positive feedback in his workouts, but I never thought that'd actually happen.

Hopefully your buddy confused him with Jalen.

[LA Muskie]

I'm not saying it's false because I haven't heard anything recently. But my Intel back when he made his announcement was that everyone -- him and his family included -- expected him to be back.

I also tend to doubt it could be based on draft feedback. He wasn't even chosen for a spot in the 60-player combine--which, when you exclude (i) the "automatic" selections who took themselves out of the pool and (ii) the Euro players who also don't participate--is about 10 players more than can be drafted.


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[xu82]

I'm not saying it's false because I haven't heard anything recently. But my Intel back when he made his announcement was that everyone -- him and his family included -- expected him to be back.

I also tend to doubt it could be based on draft feedback. He wasn't even chosen for a spot in the 60-player combine--which, when you exclude (i) the "automatic" selections who took themselves out of the pool and (ii) the Euro players who also don't participate--is about 10 players more than can be drafted.


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This makes sense, and I sure hope you're right!

[SC in DC]

MY source said, since Stevens has 5 2nd round picks he's going to use one on Tre just to screw X! (my source is my imaginary friend!)

[XUFan09]

MY source said, since Stevens has 5 2nd round picks he's going to use one on Tre just to screw X! (my source is my imaginary friend!)
Jesus, they have that many second-round picks? I mean, what does a team even use that many for? Are they going to create a team of potential NBA journeyman or something?

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[GIMMFD]

MY source said, since Stevens has 5 2nd round picks he's going to use one on Tre just to screw X! (my source is my imaginary friend!)

You know, I could see someone pulling a stunt like that. Just not Stevens, but some vindictive bastard I could definitely see that happening.

[bleedXblue]

Tre needs another 4 inches, a vertical jump and more athleticism to even think about the NBA.

Good college player though.......

[Drew]

Tre needs another 4 inches, a vertical jump and more athleticism to even think about the NBA.

Good college player though.......

lol, he would be an all-star with that kind of profile. He has a beautiful shot and is tall enough. Someone will give him a shot.

[Xville]

lol, he would be an all-star with that kind of profile. He has a beautiful and is tall enough. Someone will give him a shot.

If he could play the 2 in the NBA, he would be tall enough, but he can't even play the 2 in college because guards are too quick for him. Good college player, but unless he suddenly grows a few inches, or suddenly becomes a lot quicker, he isn't going to make the NBA. A lot of people on this board just don't seem to grasp the fact that there is a gigantic step up from College to the NBA...just because you are good in college doesn't mean squat. Take a look at an NBA roster from time to time, and show me how many 6'5 guys there are at the 3 spot.

[fellahmuskie]

If he could play the 2 in the NBA, he would be tall enough, but he can't even play the 2 in college because guards are too quick for him. Good college player, but unless he suddenly grows a few inches, or suddenly becomes a lot quicker, he isn't going to make the NBA. A lot of people on this board just don't seem to grasp the fact that there is a gigantic step up from College to the NBA...just because you are good in college doesn't mean squat. Take a look at an NBA roster from time to time, and show me how many 6'5 guys there are at the 3 spot.

I totally agree. Tre might be able to score in the NBA, but he would have so much trouble defending guys. Unless his shooting and ball-handling are off the charts, it's hard for me to see him sticking. Edmond seems like the only guy on the roster with the right size and tools for the NBA.

[SemajParlor]

Tre's game reminds me a lot of this guy. Although he needs to improve significantly to be at the level of a serviceable role NBA G/F.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdwP_ifQo0I

[Muskie]

My buddy told me he heard that Tre hired an agent or was going to, has anybody heard this? That will be a huge blow to this team.

Was your buddy at 31 Flavors when he heard this? (link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-SieCU11r4))

[Cheesehead]

Please delete this thread. I don't like seeing headlines like this. This is bad karma.

[94GRAD]

There is zero chance he is leaving for the draft

[ArizonaXUGrad]

He needs to grow and get faster before he is ready to defend the two spot in the NBA. For the one who posted about Dudley, he is about 2 inches taller than Tre and can actually defend the three spot a bit in the NBA. I think Dudley got the benefit of playing in a good system here in Phoenix. He wasn't required to play great defense (he can't). He was really only asked to hit threes and open twos and play average defense. Now that he is gone, his numbers are down. He was good in the system and is proving to be not quite as good out of it.


There is zero chance he is leaving for the draft

[xukeith]

He needs to grow and get faster before he is ready to defend the two spot in the NBA. For the one who posted about Dudley, he is about 2 inches taller than Tre and can actually defend the three spot a bit in the NBA. I think Dudley got the benefit of playing in a good system here in Phoenix. He wasn't required to play great defense (he can't). He was really only asked to hit threes and open twos and play average defense. Now that he is gone, his numbers are down. He was good in the system and is proving to be not quite as good out of it.

Maybe if Tre could play pg, he could be an NBA player.

Too short, too slow, not athletic enough. If Jordan Crawford cannot be in NBA longer than a year, Tre can't.

[Drew]

Maybe if Tre could play pg, he could be an NBA player.

Too short, too slow, not athletic enough. If Jordan Crawford cannot be in NBA longer than a year, Tre can't.

Crawford, for as skilled as he was, was a total bum. He had the talent to play in the NBA just not the work ethic.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I think this is accurate, Crawford isn't in the NBA because of ability to conform to systems.


Crawford, for as skilled as he was, was a total bum. He had the talent to play in the NBA just not the work ethic.

[Juice]

Maybe if Tre could play pg, he could be an NBA player.

Too short, too slow, not athletic enough. If Jordan Crawford cannot be in NBA longer than a year, Tre can't.

Crawford played in the NBA for three and a half seasons.

[PM Thor]

There is zero chance he is leaving for the draft

I am more likely to move to dayton or Syracuse.

[paulxu]

Y'all should like this then:


Jordan Crawford ‏@jcraw55 · May 13

Need to hit Xavier campus through out the summer

[Complete Nutter]

Take a look at an NBA roster from time to time, and show me how many 6'5 guys there are at the 3 spot.

I think height-wise Bluiett is just fine for the 3 spot, even in the NBA. I don't have any official measurement for Trevon, but even Draftexpress.com starts the piece on him with this:


Standing 6-6 with tremendous length and a strong 215-pound frame that still has room for improvement, Bluiett has nice size for a swingman

Comparing him to players in the NBA I could mention DeMar Derozan (6'6.5'') or Wesley Matthews (6'5.25'') as guys who played the 3 in the league this year. But they are really shooting guards who played at the 3 due to injuries (DeMarre Carroll and Chandler Parsons). However, some true small forwards who compare in terms of height to Tre are:

Kent Bazemore Atlanta (H: 6'4.75'' / W: 201 / Wing: 6'11.5'')
PJ Tucker Phoenix (H: 6'5'' / W: 225)
P.J. Hairston Memphis (H: 6'5.25'' / W: 229 / Wing: 6'9'')
Jae Crowder Boston (H: 6'6.5'' / W: 241 / Wing: 6'9.25'')
Evan Fournier Orlando (H: 6'7'' / W: 204 / Wing: 6'8.25'')
Jared Dudley Washington (H: 6'7.25'' / W: 219 / Wing: 6'7'')

That is the pre-draft measurements I found for these guys. You could probably list another 5-10 small forwards too if you consider all the end of the bench guys as well (even Bryant and Iguodala are both listed as 6'6''). Two of the most coveted small forwards in last years draft were Justise Winslow (6'6.5'') and Kelly Oubre (6'6.75''). They are both very long however, with wingspans of 6'10 and 7'2 respectively. Do not think that Bluiett has quite that sort of length, but certainly he matches up with the wingspan of Fournier & Dudley. So, I don't think height/size will be the problem.

Athleticism and foot speed is the question however. Trevon needs to come back and prove that he can defend the three spot and then he could/should make it. With the amount of bigs on the roster, the 3 should also be his primary spot next season. So the opportunity to prove he belongs should be there...

[muethibp]

I never begrudge a player the chance to make cash playing basketball but if he leaves, Trevon should understand that his basketball future is in Europe.

[smileyy]

DX puts Tre in the second round of next year's draft. He's unlikely to be an All-Star. He could be an NBA player.

Hell, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers are in the NBA.

[drudy23]

DX puts Tre in the second round of next year's draft. He's unlikely to be an All-Star. He could be an NBA player.

Hell, Dion Waiters and Austin Rivers are in the NBA.

Austin Rivers is a bad ass...and he's a role player in the NBA. Tre doesn't even compare to his level of ball skills and quickness. Dion Waters is also pretty damn good. He's a key contributor on a very, very good team.

You comparison is not a comparison.

I don't know why this is still a discussion. He doesn't have the explosiveness, quickness, and athleticism to play right now. It's not even close.Could he get there....maybe.

But it's obvious.

[GIMMFD]

Austin Rivers is a bad ass...and he's a role player in the NBA. Tre doesn't even compare to his level of ball skills and quickness. Dion Waters is also pretty damn good. He's a key contributor on a very, very good team.

You comparison is not a comparison.

I don't know why this is still a discussion. He doesn't have the explosiveness, quickness, and athleticism to play right now. It's not even close.Could he get there....maybe.

But it's obvious.

Rivers is pretty bad... I've watched him play a decent amount this year and he does some pretty dumb things, same with Cory Joseph of the Raptors, I'm not too impressed with them to be honest. But I agree, it's not a comparison, they're much better off athletically than Tre.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Fact of the matter is that if you want a career in the NBA you have to at least do one thing extremely well. There are guys who sit on the bench and play 10-15 minutes a game that do just one thing extremely well. It could be defense, fouling big men, hitting threes, rebounding, hitting shots in the arc, etc. Fact is, there are very in-athletic guys who still get PT that can do one or two things. Tre has a shot, literally, and that will give him a chance to make a team at some point in his basketball career.

[Juice]

Rivers is pretty bad... I've watched him play a decent amount this year and he does some pretty dumb things, same with Cory Joseph of the Raptors, I'm not too impressed with them to be honest. But I agree, it's not a comparison, they're much better off athletically than Tre.

Yeah Rivers only has a job because his dad is his GM and coach.

[Masterofreality]

Rivers is pretty bad... I've watched him play a decent amount this year and he does some pretty dumb things, same with Cory Joseph of the Raptors, I'm not too impressed with them to be honest. But I agree, it's not a comparison, they're much better off athletically than Tre.

Cory Joseph's jockstrap...and every other piece of his clothing...is all over the Quicken Loans Arena deck after Kyrie Irving just broke his ankles..and his tibia and fibula too on a dribble drive tonight.

[xu82]

Cory Joseph's jockstrap...and every other piece of his clothing...is all over the Quicken Loans Arena deck after Kyrie Irving just broke his ankles..and his tibia and fibula too on a dribble drive tonight.

Could that be what happened to JP?

[Drew]

Fact of the matter is that if you want a career in the NBA you have to at least do one thing extremely well. There are guys who sit on the bench and play 10-15 minutes a game that do just one thing extremely well. It could be defense, fouling big men, hitting threes, rebounding, hitting shots in the arc, etc. Fact is, there are very in-athletic guys who still get PT that can do one or two things. Tre has a shot, literally, and that will give him a chance to make a team at some point in his basketball career.

+1. Tre has a great shot. As long as he can bring up his other skills so as not to be a liability on the court, someone will give him a shot.

[Wheelhouse]

Top 10 all-time worst thread title.

[scoscox]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2639984-predicting-the-best-duos-in-college-basketball-in-the-2016-17-season/page/15

I don't think this list is all that accurate, but Tre and Ed are listed 8th. Probably too low imo.

[GIMMFD]

Cory Joseph's jockstrap...and every other piece of his clothing...is all over the Quicken Loans Arena deck after Kyrie Irving just broke his ankles..and his tibia and fibula too on a dribble drive tonight.

I could not have posted that at a better time. Proof of Cory Joseph's garbage. Then again, Kyrie has the ability to do that to most people.

[SemajParlor]

Fact of the matter is that if you want a career in the NBA you have to at least do one thing extremely well. There are guys who sit on the bench and play 10-15 minutes a game that do just one thing extremely well. It could be defense, fouling big men, hitting threes, rebounding, hitting shots in the arc, etc. Fact is, there are very in-athletic guys who still get PT that can do one or two things. Tre has a shot, literally, and that will give him a chance to make a team at some point in his basketball career.


Yes, he is closer to the NBA than a lot are people are giving him credit for. He is an elite shooter on any level.

[GIMMFD]

Yes, he is closer to the NBA than a lot are people are giving him credit for. He is an elite shooter on any level.

I wouldn't say elite just yet, very good yes? 39.8% from 3 and 42.4% from the field is good, and especially because he takes (and consistently makes) tough shots, however, when I think of elite shooters, I'm thinking of the JJ Redicks, Kyle Korvers, Steph Curry's, etc. who shoot like 45% from the 3 in the NBA. Not taking anything away from Tre, he's damn good, and if he can sneak up to around 45% from 3, he will be unreal.

[SemajParlor]

I wouldn't say elite just yet, very good yes? 39.8% from 3 and 42.4% from the field is good, and especially because he takes (and consistently makes) tough shots, however, when I think of elite shooters, I'm thinking of the JJ Redicks, Kyle Korvers, Steph Curry's, etc. who shoot like 45% from the 3 in the NBA. Not taking anything away from Tre, he's damn good, and if he can sneak up to around 45% from 3, he will be unreal.

Those 3 are arguably the top 3 in the world at shooting. Maybe elite is too strong right now, but Blueitt is one of the better pure shooters I've seen at Xavier in a while. A clear level above the majority of college players. As a previous poster said, I don't think it's crazy for him to carve out a role on an NBA team.

[SemajParlor]

His most recent instagram post appears to imply he may be coming back.

[SC in DC]

I love Tre, I dearly want him back. However, just to put his 3 pt shooting in perspective, (altho the NCAA doesn't seem to like it!!) X's stats show him shooting .398, which would tie him for 67th with 2 other guys. Which I consider damn good. But not yet elite. How many NBA teams are looking for the 67th best 3 pt shooter, who can't get his own shot (not in the league) and can't play D (not in the league). Also, if someone can tell my if I missed something with the NCAA site, I'd appreciate it--no Tre?? www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p3

[THRILLHOUSE]

His most recent instagram post appears to imply he may be coming back.

Link to the instagram post: https://www.instagram.com/p/BFnIZK9CT2p/?taken-by=trevonbluiett

[Milhouse]

I love Tre, I dearly want him back. However, just to put his 3 pt shooting in perspective, (altho the NCAA doesn't seem to like it!!) X's stats show him shooting .398, which would tie him for 67th with 2 other guys. Which I consider damn good. But not yet elite. How many NBA teams are looking for the 67th best 3 pt shooter, who can't get his own shot (not in the league) and can't play D (not in the league). Also, if someone can tell my if I missed something with the NCAA site, I'd appreciate it--no Tre?? www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p3

I don't think this is a valid a knock on him. Look at the top 10 guys on that list. Buddy Hield is the only one that will play in the NBA...

I mean if he hit close to that in the league he'd be just outside the top 25...

[SemajParlor]

I don't think this is a valid a knock on him. Look at the top 10 guys on that list. Buddy Hield is the only one that will play in the NBA...

I mean if he hit close to that in the league he'd be just outside the top 25...


Yeah, I'm pretty sure RJ Hunter shot like 29% in college from 3 his JR year and he was deemed one of if not the best shooter in the draft last year. Stats don't always tell the whole story.

There is no way Blueitt is the 67th best shooter in college.

[xu82]

Link to the instagram post: https://www.instagram.com/p/BFnIZK9CT2p/?taken-by=trevonbluiett

So who is Gregm222?

[fellahmuskie]

So who is Gregm222?

Someone who loves his bourbon. I don't think we have anyone like that on here, though.

[Juice]

Someone who loves his bourbon. I don't think we have anyone like that on here, though.

And Penn State football....yikes

[DoubleD86]

I wouldn't say elite just yet, very good yes? 39.8% from 3 and 42.4% from the field is good, and especially because he takes (and consistently makes) tough shots, however, when I think of elite shooters, I'm thinking of the JJ Redicks, Kyle Korvers, Steph Curry's, etc. who shoot like 45% from the 3 in the NBA. Not taking anything away from Tre, he's damn good, and if he can sneak up to around 45% from 3, he will be unreal.

Tre Bluiett's Sophmore Year: 44.9% 2PT, 39.8% 3PT, 52.1% eFG
JJ Redick's Sophmore Year: 47.0% 2PT, 39.5% 3PT, 54.8% eFG

[casualfan]

Tre Bluiett's Sophmore Year: 44.9% 2PT, 39.8% 3PT, 52.1% eFG
JJ Redick's Sophmore Year: 47.0% 2PT, 39.5% 3PT, 54.8% eFG

Redick also logged an off the charts ORtg (121) that year.

Bluiett's last year was good (114), but still quite a bit behind Redick.

Which is to say that the while the shooting stats you posted are similar they don't nearly tell the whole story.

[GIMMFD]

Redick also logged an off the charts ORtg (121) that year.

Bluiett's last year was good (114), but still quite a bit behind Redick.

Which is to say that the while the shooting stats you posted are similar they don't nearly tell the whole story.

I don't think I was very clear in the post I put, as I said, Tre is very very good, don't get me wrong, he's not elite, and I know his stats will be a little off as he takes some tough shots and what not, I was just saying he's not an elite shooter yet. Hell, it even took Redick 5-6 years before he gained status as elite in the NBA. It's a whole different ball game, that's all I was getting at!

[Milhouse]

so who is an elite shooter by those standards? in college basketball.

[SemajParlor]

Whatever, maybe elite was bad terminology. Semantics aside, I think 95% of the time Blueitt is the best shooter on the floor.

[SC in DC]

Not sure how we got to this point--or what we are trying to prove but:
JJ as a Jr-- .408 FG%, .403 3pt%, 21.8 ppg
Tre-- ????

JJ as a senior--470 FG%, .421 3pt%, 26.8pp
Tre--????
Just saying, I love him but I think he has a way to go. And I hope he gets there!!

[smileyy]

Tre is the one who takes the..."bad" shots...when necessary -- the 18' jumper because the offense hasn't managed to create anything else.

[bigdiggins]

Yes but when there are 20 seconds on the shot clock a fade away baseline jumper is a bad shot because it's a bad shot, not because the offense has created anything yet. Shot selection can help tre's %'s go up.

[SemajParlor]

Not sure how we got to this point--or what we are trying to prove but:
JJ as a Jr-- .408 FG%, .403 3pt%, 21.8 ppg
Tre-- ????

JJ as a senior--470 FG%, .421 3pt%, 26.8pp
Tre--????
Just saying, I love him but I think he has a way to go. And I hope he gets there!!


I don't really know how this became a Blueitt vs JJ Redick topic but anyone who's watched college hoops in last 25 years would be able to tell you that Redick was one of the best CBB shooters / players ever.

Redick is also a very good NBA shooting guard. He's far from a role playing shooter.

[GIMMFD]

I don't really know how this became a Blueitt vs JJ Redick topic but anyone who's watched college hoops in last 25 years would be able to tell you that Redick was one of the best CBB shooters / players ever.

Redick is also a very good NBA shooting guard. He's far from a role playing shooter.

I believe this was my fault comparing Tre's good to JJ's elite, while some people are showing JJ's stats and saying, Tre's not that far off, in reality, JJ developed a ton in the NBA, he was strictly a run off the screen and pop a three player in college, while gaining somewhat of a driving game his senior year, you see him hitting a couple mid range jumpers and what not now in the NBA, plus it also helps Chris Paul is his point guard..

The bottom line is Tre is a good college basketball player, and will be good, he certainly has a lot of his game to develop in order to make the jump to the league. He's not blessed with Edmund Sumner type speed, but that's okay, he makes up for it in the way he plays the game. I think Tre will develop into a good player, I just don't think he's NBA ready yet, who the hell knows what can happen over the course of two years? Anybody expect Buddy Heild to be a NBA player his sophomore year?? (And yes I know Buddy is an athletic freak, just saying what can change over the course of a couple years.)

[casualfan]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 1m1 minute ago Manhattan, NY
Xavier sophomore Trevon Bluiett is likely to withdraw from the NBA Draft and return to school, source tells @SNYtv

[mistabeecee41]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 1m1 minute ago Manhattan, NY
Xavier sophomore Trevon Bluiett is likely to withdraw from the NBA Draft and return to school, source tells @SNYtv

Smart move. With a faster pace and no solidified low post threats, he has a chance to put up huge numbers this year. Wouldn't be surprised to see him average 18-20 points and 6-8 boards.

New Thread Title : Tre (Not) Leaving

[SC in DC]

Brad Redford vs. JJ Reddick--no just kidding!
Plus, how many feet can Tre jump off of??

[bobbiemcgee]

Adam Zagoria ‏@AdamZagoria 1m1 minute ago Manhattan, NY
Xavier sophomore Trevon Bluiett is likely to withdraw from the NBA Draft and return to school, source tells @SNYtv
Ben Bentil will stay in the draft.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Good for Bentil, bad for the league. Providence won't be good next year. Good news is that St. Johns should improve a lot along with Creighton also.


Ben Bentil will stay in the draft.

[Muskie]

Last mock I looked at had Bentil in he second round. Has that changed?


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[XU 87]

Good for Bentil, bad for the league. Providence won't be good next year. Good news is that St. Johns should improve a lot along with Creighton also.

Based on what I saw last year, I think the bigger question for St. John's is can Mullin coach.

[bobbiemcgee]

Last mock I looked at had Bentil in he second round. Has that changed?


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"Several NBA executives told ESPN that Bentil will likely go in the pick No. 25 to 45 range in the June 23 draft."


http://espn.go.com/nba/draft2016/story/_/id/15666192/providence-friars-f-ben-bentil-says-staying-nba-draft

I honestly thought he was the best player in the BE last year.

[Milhouse]

25 to 45 is the feedback Maj got. Hope it works out better for Bentil

[XUFan09]

25 to 45 is the feedback Maj got. Hope it works out better for Bentil
Even at that low end, it worked out for Maj. He made a little money that year while just playing basketball, and then he got a nice contract in Italy the next season. I bet he actually improved his bargaining position in Europe by playing so well in the D League.

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[casualfan]

Now it's official:

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 2m2 minutes ago
Xavier's Trevon Bluiett told ESPN he will withdraw from the NBA Draft and return to school.
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[XU 87]

Even at that low end, it worked out for Maj. He made a little money that year while just playing basketball, and then he got a nice contract in Italy the next season. I bet he actually improved his bargaining position in Europe by playing so well in the D League.

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Any idea what Semaj is making in Italy? He is in the highest league, so I assume he's earning at least $200-300,000.

[94GRAD]

Any idea what Semaj is making in Italy? He is in the highest league, so I assume he's earning at least $200-300,000.

I would be surprised if he was making more than 60K.

[Cheesehead]

Semaj is making six figures easily.

[XMuskieFTW]

In the top leagues in Europe, starting salary is around 80-100k. Semaj is probably one of the better players on his team. I would imagine he's making 250-400k a year.

[SemajParlor]

In the top leagues in Europe, starting salary is around 80-100k. Semaj is probably one of the better players on his team. I would imagine he's making 250-400k a year.

But what about his degree!?

[THRILLHOUSE]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjKKBnyUgAEL6pi.jpg

[Milhouse]

Not meaning that to be a knock on Maj- I'm sure he's happy with his decision. I'm just saying I think that 25-45 is a told to 50 kids or so.

And I was under the impression he was north of 300k- thought I heard that at some point.

[bourbonman]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CjKKBnyUgAEL6pi.jpg

:jumpforjoy:

[ammtd34]

In the top leagues in Europe, starting salary is around 80-100k. Semaj is probably one of the better players on his team. I would imagine he's making 250-400k a year.

I was trying to see what I could find (not much). RealGM.com, though, says his agent is BJ Armstrong. He's got a pretty impressive client list.

http://basketball.realgm.com/info/agent_clients/BJ-Armstrong/102

[Masterofreality]

He's BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!!!!!!!

[SemajParlor]

Someone cue the Gdamn music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucYDhOV3WqY

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Happy to hear the news. TB is going to have an outstanding season next year. With him back, X should have a pre-season ranking in the top 20.

[SemajParlor]

Happy to hear the news. TB is going to have an outstanding season next year. With him back, X should have a pre-season ranking in the top 20.

Top 5*

[XMuskieFTW]

We should be preseason top 5. We'll probably wind up around 7-10 in preseason polls due to front court questions.

[GIMMFD]

We should be preseason top 5. We'll probably wind up around 7-10 in preseason polls due to front court questions.

Meh we don't get much respect, I could easily see us as like 15 or something to be honest.

[Muncie]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/04/05/college-basketball-early-preseason-top-25-duke-kentucky/82517880/

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Well Reinhardt went to Marquette, he will help them.

[xu82]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2016/04/05/college-basketball-early-preseason-top-25-duke-kentucky/82517880/

I wouldn't bet the farm on this, but it's pretty cool to see 2 BE teams in the top 6.

[XUFan09]

Meh we don't get much respect, I could easily see us as like 15 or something to be honest.
Xavier spent most of the season in the top 10, even after losses and even with relatively weak efficiency rankings. They got respect. They just didn't get the same benefit of the doubt that only a few teams get.

Now, there's a chance that they overrate the impact of Jalen's departure, especially since Farr graduated too. Reasonable minds can differ on that one, so I don't think anyone is foolish for expecting that to hurt more than I think it will.

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[xu82]

Xavier spent most of the season in the top 10, even after losses and even with relatively weak efficiency rankings. They got respect. They just didn't get the same benefit of the doubt that only a few teams get.

Now, there's a chance that they overrate the impact of Jalen's departure, especially since Farr graduated too. Reasonable minds can differ on that one, so I don't think anyone is foolish for expecting that to hurt more than I think it will.

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I suspect many will over-rate the Jalen departure and under-rate the Farr departure.

[bobbiemcgee]

Gets scarier when you think we only have Gaston one yr., Davis is a Sr. and could (probably will) lose Sumner and Bluiett. Better win it all Team 95!

[nasdadjr]

I actually saw this news scroll on the bottom ticker on ESPN. How the hell does ESPN consider that news it wasn't Duke or UNC

[nasdadjr]

Sumner leaving is a slight question mark for me. He wasn't the same player and seemed a little overwhelmed towards end of last year. He definitely has the raw ability and all the God given gifts in the world I think he would need to show a much improved jump shot and if that happens he is gone if not we will get him a third year. I say right now 75-25 he is gone after this year

[paulxu]

What has happened to Jalen lately, and also is Remy still trying to make a NFL team?

(yes, I have tried my friends at Google)

[GIMMFD]

Xavier spent most of the season in the top 10, even after losses and even with relatively weak efficiency rankings. They got respect. They just didn't get the same benefit of the doubt that only a few teams get.

Now, there's a chance that they overrate the impact of Jalen's departure, especially since Farr graduated too. Reasonable minds can differ on that one, so I don't think anyone is foolish for expecting that to hurt more than I think it will.

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Yeah, that's a better way to put it, I think that they do overrate the loss of our big men a lot, and honestly I can't blame them for that, the only known big man we've seen play is O'Mara, we have no idea about Gaston, Ekinyor, or Jones. Either way, it leads for a lot of excitement!!

[XMuskieFTW]

What has happened to Jalen lately, and also is Remy still trying to make a NFL team?

(yes, I have tried my friends at Google)

My guess is Jalen is going to go straight to Europe. Maybe he'll play an nba summer league, but I think his path is probably pretty set for Europe. NBA tryouts probably haven't occurred.

[NY44]

What has happened to Jalen lately, and also is Remy still trying to make a NFL team?

(yes, I have tried my friends at Google)

Remy didn't get invited back by the Bengals.

[drudy23]

Jimmy Farr was pretty damn efficient. There's no one on the roster capable of his numbers next year...but hopefully a steady diet of 3-4 of them can be just as effective.

[paulxu]

Remy didn't get invited back by the Bengals.

That would have been a nice story if he had. Hope both of them do well.

[THRILLHOUSE]

What has happened to Jalen lately, and also is Remy still trying to make a NFL team?

(yes, I have tried my friends at Google)

Remy is going overseas:

http://i.imgur.com/e1ras0o.jpg

[Muskie]

Jimmy Farr was pretty damn efficient. There's no one on the roster capable of his numbers next year...but hopefully a steady diet of 3-4 of them can be just as effective.

It's not that I don't agree with your premise, but anyone that tells you they knew last year at this time what Farr was capable of is revising history. We won't know who is capable of what until November when the games count.

[bleedXblue]

It's not that I don't agree with your premise, but anyone that tells you they knew last year at this time what Farr was capable of is revising history. We won't know who is capable of what until November when the games count.

Agreed, we have a long history of guys stepping up and playing at a level much higher than expected. I remain optimistic that trend continues.

[SemajParlor]

Not to mention I expect Ed, Tre and JP to make big leaps.

LOVE that we have Myles back - always forget that. Wow, we are going to be good.

[GoMuskies]

Wow, we are going to be good.


Assuming a competent frontcourt, absolutely.

[NY44]

Assuming a competent frontcourt, absolutely.

Definitely.

I keep telling myself, that if there's any year we can get by on a just decent front court, it's this year. Defense would be tough, maybe we could depend on the 1-3-1 a little bit more. Offensively, I think we'll be fine. This team will be fantastic in transition.

[XMuskieFTW]

We have three players returning with 900+ career points. Don't know how often that happens, but I think we'll see that experience help a lot this year.

[SemajParlor]

Definitely.

I keep telling myself, that if there's any year we can get by on a just decent front court, it's this year. Defense would be tough, maybe we could depend on the 1-3-1 a little bit more. Offensively, I think we'll be fine. This team will be fantastic in transition.

I would imagine we will see Ed, Myles, JP, and Tre at the Flex 4 playing a lot of 1-3-1 this year. Not going to find many lineups with that much firepower in them around.

I know he sat out a year due to the RS, but that Freshman -> Soph jump will be enormous for Ed. Special talent.

[SemajParlor]

Can't go 0-2 with this group of guys. Anything short of an Elite 8 is a major disappointment in my eyes. The time is now.

[smileyy]

Can't go 0-2 with this group of guys. Anything short of an Elite 8 is a major disappointment in my eyes. The time is now.

I'm looking forward to the ride.

[Muncie]

Gang we should score in bunches, major bunches. I expect J P to be a big part of our scoring .

[xukeith]

[Was Team 94 the best team ever in X school history? Despite 2nd round early exit?

[SemajParlor]

[Was Team 94 the best team ever in X school history? Despite 2nd round early exit?

That's a good question. I would imagine yes.

[Xville]

I would imagine we will see Ed, Myles, JP, and Tre at the Flex 4 playing a lot of 1-3-1 this year. Not going to find many lineups with that much firepower in them around.

I know he sat out a year due to the RS, but that Freshman -> Soph jump will be enormous for Ed. Special talent.

Honestly, I hope we hardly ever see that lineup. I'd much rather have a traditional 4 and 5 to go along with the three guards. Plus, Gates is probably our best defender coming back and we will need that in bunches next year. If the defense isn't better next year, I'll expect another early flame out. It absolutely must be better for this team to do special things in march.

[GIMMFD]

Can't go 0-2 with this group of guys. Anything short of an Elite 8 is a major disappointment in my eyes. The time is now.

I agree 100% with this, this roster is stacked. Our line-up is stacked. I'll be disgusted if we have another early exit, like not watch sports for a long damn time type of disgusted.

[Mrs. Garrett]

My buddy told me he heard that Tre hired an agent or was going to, has anybody heard this? That will be a huge blow to this team.

Have you mentioned to your "buddy" that he doesn't know shit?

[nasdadjr]

[Was Team 94 the best team ever in X school history? Despite 2nd round early exit?

No. When you take overall skill and athleticism I would say the best team in Xavier history was "The Run" team. Mentally tough, rebounding at all positions, more athletic (Chalmers and Sato), and had guys to play multiple styles.

[smileyy]

That's a good question. I would imagine yes.

I'd love to see them play the '08 team. I think that'd be a great matchup.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

FYI, Isaiah Briscoe returns to Kentucky in an official statement today also Marcus Lee is transferring. UK is crazy.

[Wheelhouse]

Finally the title of this thread has improved!

[GIMMFD]

FYI, Isaiah Briscoe returns to Kentucky in an official statement today also Marcus Lee is transferring. UK is crazy.

Wait, Marcus Lee went from declaring for the NBA to transfering??? What the hell

[scoscox]

I'm officially stoked for this season with this news

[smileyy]

Wait, Marcus Lee went from declaring for the NBA to transfering???

They're both ways to leave Kentucky.

Also, every UK player declared for the draft, even the walk-ons.

[GIMMFD]

They're both ways to leave Kentucky.

Also, every UK player declared for the draft, even the walk-ons.

Yeah, but I thought he was like late first round, early second round projected or something? Idk. I just thought that was strange.

[Xville]

No. When you take overall skill and athleticism I would say the best team in Xavier history was "The Run" team. Mentally tough, rebounding at all positions, more athletic (Chalmers and Sato), and had guys to play multiple styles.

Completely agree. I think last year's team was pretty overrated in my opinion. They were good, I mean heck they beat the champions, but it was a pretty down year for college basketball and looking back they had a lot of faults.

Personally I think the 04 team would mop the floor with them. No one from last year would be able to guard Sato or chalmers and unlike last year, the 04 team could actually play defense. Looking back that 04 team was lean on depth but they were loaded. It's still crazy to me that Sato never stuck in the nba.

[Xville]

Yeah, but I thought he was like late first round, early second round projected or something? Idk. I just thought that was strange.

There are a lot of rumors here in louisville that Marcus lee's family has been pissed at calipari for a while now about not developing marcus' game and not developing him properly. I can kinda see that because I don't think cal really develops anyone or even knows how...his players are just that good to begin with. You could actually make the case that he makes some players regress....Harrison twins anyone?

[Muncie]

Regarding Sato and the NBA , I think Sato chooses to stay in Europe . He's very well paid , he's multi linguistic and rather cosmopolitan . I think he'd rather be a star in Europe than ride the bench in the NBA . I know he has had calls from the NBA and turned them down at least twice . He's happy where he is and thinks why should I trade a sure thing for a maybe .

[markchal]

No. When you take overall skill and athleticism I would say the best team in Xavier history was "The Run" team. Mentally tough, rebounding at all positions, more athletic (Chalmers and Sato), and had guys to play multiple styles.

Sorry, but I think 08 was a much better team. 04 was maybe the most important and that run was incredible, but 08 was deeper and tougher IMO. Lavender, Burrell, Duncan, Raymond, CJ, Brown. Itching that team is the gold standard for the program, for now.

Personally, I'm a little worried about backcourt depth next year. Wish we had one more reserve besides Goodin. I would imagine JP comes off the bench again to help with that.

[ammtd34]

Regarding Sato and the NBA , I think Sato chooses to stay in Europe . He's very well paid , he's multi linguistic and rather cosmopolitan . I think he'd rather be a star in Europe than ride the bench in the NBA . I know he has had calls from the NBA and turned them down at least twice . He's happy where he is and thinks why should I trade a sure thing for a maybe .

He also made more in Europe than he would've in the NBA. Same with Justin Doellman.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Honestly, I hope we hardly ever see that lineup. I'd much rather have a traditional 4 and 5 to go along with the three guards. Plus, Gates is probably our best defender coming back and we will need that in bunches next year. If the defense isn't better next year, I'll expect another early flame out. It absolutely must be better for this team to do special things in march.
The reason we lost to Wisconsin was because our offense didn't execute in the last 4-5 minutes, the defense was fine that game. You might want to get use to seeing stretch 4's because like most of the rest of the country we're not building a roster with traditional power forwards anymore.

[Xville]

The reason we lost to Wisconsin was because our offense didn't execute in the last 4-5 minutes, the defense was fine that game. You might want to get use to seeing stretch 4's because like most of the rest of the country we're not building a roster with traditional power forwards anymore.

The defense was ok...it wain't great especially against a Wisconsin team that was pretty limited offensively. Plus I Further, by traditional 4 I meant someone taller than 6'5...I'm fine if it is gates who is 6'8, long, and has a decent midrange game.

[smileyy]

You know, 6'8" and long like Kris Jenkins isn't.

[Xville]

You know, 6'8" and long like Kris Jenkins isn't.

Jenkins is a heck of a college basketball player and has about thirty pounds on tre. There are very few players like him. I can name about twenry other top teams that will play a 6'7 or longer player at the four...Nova and x were outliers . I'm talking gates over tre at the four, have tre at the three. Gates is our best returning defender..we need him on the floor. That's all.

[scoscox]

Completely agree. I think last year's team was pretty overrated in my opinion. They were good, I mean heck they beat the champions, but it was a pretty down year for college basketball and looking back they had a lot of faults.

Personally I think the 04 team would mop the floor with them. No one from last year would be able to guard Sato or chalmers and unlike last year, the 04 team could actually play defense. Looking back that 04 team was lean on depth but they were loaded. It's still crazy to me that Sato never stuck in the nba.

I disagree. Last years team was dangerous in ways 04 was not. Anyone could get their own shot. 04 relied heavily on Lionel's playmaking. 15 was also one of the best rebounding teams we've ever had. We were clearly a better team than Wisconsin and were capable of going all the way. Both teams ended the year differently but both were not without faults. 04 was the same team that lost 9 of their first 20 games. Last years team won the most regular season games in school history. God I'm excited for this year. We are gonna be spectacular. Here's to Kentucky and duke being full of busts. Can not wait

[MauriceX]

Re: Which team was better.

Before looking at the stats, my gut would be '08 / Last Year / '04.

Final Kenpom ratings:
2004: 15th Overall, 15th in AdjO (113.5), 21st in AdjD (93.2)
2008: 18th Overall, 9th in AdjO (115.0), 48th in AdjD (95.8)
Last Year: 11th Overall, 17th in AdjO (115.6), 20th in AdjD (95.2)

So last year we had our best scoring team (but because scoring is up across the NCAA, we didn't have as good of a ranking). Pure numbers wise, it wasn't our best defensive year, but since all of the teams were scoring more, our ranking was the best of the three.

Obviously, Kenpom stats aren't the definitive answer to this question, but an interesting take nonetheless.

Edit: I think my gut puts the '08 team on a pedestal because I was a student at that point.

[DoubleD86]

Re: Which team was better.

Before looking at the stats, my gut would be '08 / Last Year / '04.

Final Kenpom ratings:
2004: 15th Overall, 15th in AdjO (113.5), 21st in AdjD (93.2)
2008: 18th Overall, 9th in AdjO (115.0), 48th in AdjD (95.8)
Last Year: 11th Overall, 17th in AdjO (115.6), 20th in AdjD (95.2)

So last year we had our best scoring team (but because scoring is up across the NCAA, we didn't have as good of a ranking). Pure numbers wise, it wasn't our best defensive year, but since all of the teams were scoring more, our ranking was the best of the three.

Obviously, Kenpom stats aren't the definitive answer to this question, but an interesting take nonetheless.

Edit: I think my gut puts the '08 team on a pedestal because I was a student at that point.

I was just about to post something similar. To put it in a singular stat (which is never smart), KenPom also provides a Pythagorean Winning Percentage which is a team's expected winning percentage against an average D-1 team. This is a decent way to compare season to season because it is normalized more.

2016 X - .9031
2008 X - .8905
2004 X - .9056

So like many have said, it would likely go 2004, 2016 and 2008. I don't think it is as much as a gap as many here think, I think that is more "nostalgia" and the success of the 2004 team. However, if you look at KenPom as a good indicator, the 2004 team would be considered the better of the two.

[XUFan09]

I was just about to post something similar. To put it in a singular stat (which is never smart), KenPom also provides a Pythagorean Winning Percentage which is a team's expected winning percentage against an average D-1 team. This is a decent way to compare season to season because it is normalized more.

2016 X - .9031
2008 X - .8905
2004 X - .9056

So like many have said, it would likely go 2004, 2016 and 2008. I don't think it is as much as a gap as many here think, I think that is more "nostalgia" and the success of the 2004 team. However, if you look at KenPom as a good indicator, the 2004 team would be considered the better of the two.
Isn't Pythagorean Winning Percentage specific to a season? The average team changes year to year, sometimes significantly.

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[DoubleD86]

Isn't Pythagorean Winning Percentage specific to a season? The average team changes year to year, sometimes significantly.

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I could be wrong, but I thought it was a baseline. Again, very possible I am incorrect. That being said, it has the same variance as the Adjusted O and D stats as they are based on the Average D-1 defense and offense.

AdjO - Adjusted offensive efficiency - An estimate of the offensive efficiency (points scored per 100 possessions) a team would have against the average D-I defense.
AdjD - Adjusted defensive efficiency - An estimate of the defensive efficiency (points allowed per 100 possessions) a team would have against the average D-I offense.
Pyth - The “pythagorean winning percentage”. Just a fancy way of computing a team’s expected winning percentage against an average D-I team. Derived from (AdjO^11.5)/(AdjO^11.5+AdjD^11.5)

Someone smarter than me can probably answer.

[smileyy]

Pythagorean %age is a fixed equation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation -- in this case, it uses AdjO and AdjD as the values in the equation.

The variability is likely in how AdjO and AdjD compare to raw O and D values.

[Drew]

https://media.giphy.com/media/A9KfKenpqNDfa/giphy.gif

[XUFan09]

Pythagorean %age is a fixed equation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_expectation -- in this case, it uses AdjO and AdjD as the values in the equation.

The variability is likely in how AdjO and AdjD compare to raw O and D values.

And those comparisons are determined by that season's teams and that season's rules (e.g. the recent rules that have led to more scoring).

It sounds like it's okay at normalizing across seasons, though.

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