2016-2017 Non Conference Schedule

[XUFan09]

Can Mack wear the Blue BE Pullover? Honestly, after the way they treated his wife, I think Mack could care less about UD unless we kick their asses in another tournament game. F'em.

Fixed that for you.

[LA Muskie]

Would Dayton improve our schedule? Likely. Would they generally merit a H/H series? Probably. Would it be a great rivalry game? Almost certainly. On sheer merits it makes sense.

But I say no f#cking way. You don't treat Christy Mack--one of your own, no less--like that, without repurcussions. I wouldn't mind never scheduling them. Ever again.

I'll gladly give up that rivalry game. There are plenty of teams who fit the other objectives of a good H/H series.


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[xudash]

Screw 'em. Wouldn't want to give them the publicity. Let them wallow in mediocrity and anonymous status in a tertiary league.

This.

All day long.

365 days a year.

Forever.


Separation is good. Let it continue.

[X-man]

Amen. Shout it from the mountaintops.....never play those sniveling, sweater-vested crybabies again unless it is in a tournament.

[Cheesehead]

Xavier will not be playing Dayton anytime soon, period. Mack has let this be known for quite awhile now.

[xubrew]

Screw 'em. Wouldn't want to give them the publicity. Let them wallow in mediocrity and anonymous status in a tertiary league.

In the past 32 years, the two years that Dayton achieved what was by far their highest level of publicity was the only two years we did not play them.

We were beating the shit out of them and winning 75 percent of the time, yet we we said uncle. And, after we did so, they got better. It's ironic to an intriguing level. Now, lots of variables are in play but it's kind of silly that Dayton wants to play, yet they've been better/more relevant when we haven't, and Xavier does not want to play, but appears to have benefitted on paper when they have played. The internet fandom on both sides seems to not realize that.

I also think that in any regional OOC Matchup, the omega program has just as much to gain from the "they're afraid to play us" narrative than the "we play them!!" narrative. And, the alpha program is still the alpha program even if they lose. Wisconsin lost to Marquette and Green Bay in the same week, yet their program appears to not be wrecked, and no one who matters really thinks of it as being that much of a setback, nor do they think of Marquette or Green Bay to have overtaken Wiscy's program.

Virginia started seeking out home and homes against regional omega programs. They were actually the ones that made me think it made sense. On paper you lose almost nothing, if you lose you're still the alpha because they're still on ESPN and GW, ODU, James Madison, VCU, and whoever else are still on page 4 on whatever shit network they're on. It's a tuneup for playing in future hostile environment. And, you can still get 1 and 2 seeds even if you lose. No one remembers or cares that they lost at Green Bay (not a regional game, but a tense game for obvious reasons, and a crazy atmosphere if you watched), or VCU, or GW. They just remember how good UVA's team was and how well they played in conference. Well, Bennett thinks those games, even if they lose, make them better. And, I don't think he's wrong. And, the key phrase is IF they lose. We beat Dayton almost all of the time.

So, it's a tense game against a good team that we beat almost all of the time, and we're still the alphas even when we didn't. There is no logical reason to not play them. But, I know we won't.

In soccer, this is how you handle this problem for the 25 percent of the time you happen to not win.

"YOU WON, BUT YOURE STILL OUR BITCH!" (To the rhythm of stand up for the boys in green). Even if we lose we still win, because it would still be true.

[paulxu]

In the last 3 years before the split, Villanova didn't finish higher than 8th in the BE. Now they dominate for the most part the BE.
Is that because they don't face the old BE members?
Dayton has had a nice run for 3 years. Is that because X, Temple and Butler are gone?

The VA and Wisky situations are a little different, as the teams they play for the most part (except VCU) don't compete for the same players in the same region. And...none of those schools has pretentions of joining the B1G or the ACC. Not so with Dayton.

I don't know what the situation is inside Xavier Athletics. There are some good reasons to play the game, even if H/H in alternate years, and you note some of them.
But we don't schedule them as of now. Maybe that's because of the Christi situation. If so, I can't fault Mack for not wanting to go. Guess you just have to have a little faith in our basketball department that they know what they are doing. Either way I'm OK with it.

If I was a Dayton fan, after screaming for 2 years about being left out of the BE, and Xavier not scheduling them...I think I would get off that horse after Orlando last year and find a new axe to grind.

[XUFan09]

In the last 3 years before the split, Villanova didn't finish higher than 8th in the BE. Now they dominate for the most part the BE.
Is that because they don't face the old BE members?
Dayton has had a nice run for 3 years. Is that because X, Temple and Butler are gone?

The VA and Wisky situations are a little different, as the teams they play for the most part (except VCU) don't compete for the same players in the same region. And...none of those schools has pretentions of joining the B1G or the ACC. Not so with Dayton.

I don't know what the situation is inside Xavier Athletics. There are some good reasons to play the game, even if H/H in alternate years, and you note some of them.
But we don't schedule them as of now. Maybe that's because of the Christi situation. If so, I can't fault Mack for not wanting to go. Guess you just have to have a little faith in our basketball department that they know what they are doing. Either way I'm OK with it.

If I was a Dayton fan, after screaming for 2 years about being left out of the BE, and Xavier not scheduling them...I think I would get off that horse after Orlando last year and find a new axe to grind.

Yeah, I'd like to play Dayton, but this bolded part is also true. Xavier and Dayton are very comparable institutions (though UD has a law school, engineering, and more graduate programs). Even VCU is on a different level from UVA. The state of Virginia has UVA and Virginia Tech on its first tier of state schools, and then VCU joins the second tier (and I'm not just talking about athletics). So, the examples Brew is using all involve schools that have clear separation in place, which is not the case for Xavier and Dayton.

There's a clear argument there for why Xavier would never want Dayton to join the Big East. There's a lesser argument for why they wouldn't want to play them in a regular series. I don't know how much I am beholden to the lesser argument; I kind of want to play Dayton. But, I can see the motivation there, and if it's combined with Mack just being "Well, ef that," then I'm okay with it. At the very least, it's clear that the administration doesn't feel very strongly about the game, or they would override any personal preference Mack might have.

[bobbiemcgee]

UD fans good at the "ole double standard" . Say X won't play them and then refuse to play Wright State in a renewal of the "Gem City Classic." Then, of course, they get upset if you mention this fact. They play in the hs gym @ Gola but won't play WSU at their Arena. Whenever they bring it up, I'll say, "hey, At least we'll play Wright State".
Do you remember when UD fans used to badmouth X for taking Transfers? Haha, that's been their whole program for the last 4 yrs. Don't worry, it's ok now.

[xudash]

Yeah, I'd like to play Dayton, but this bolded part is also true. Xavier and Dayton are very comparable institutions (though UD has a law school, engineering, and more graduate programs). Even VCU is on a different level from UVA. The state of Virginia has UVA and Virginia Tech on its first tier of state schools, and then VCU joins the second tier (and I'm not just talking about athletics). So, the examples Brew is using all involve schools that have clear separation in place, which is not the case for Xavier and Dayton.

There's a clear argument there for why Xavier would never want Dayton to join the Big East. There's a lesser argument for why they wouldn't want to play them in a regular series. I don't know how much I am beholden to the lesser argument; I kind of want to play Dayton. But, I can see the motivation there, and if it's combined with Mack just being "Well, ef that," then I'm okay with it. At the very least, it's clear that the administration doesn't feel very strongly about the game, or they would override any personal preference Mack might have.

The arguments are actually one in the same, and have little to do with athletic considerations. I wouldn't wait up for a scheduling announcement involving the Fayers for regular season games.

Call it The Bluiett Effect: unrestricted separation. In Trevon's case, in recruiting capability, resulting from now being part of a superior athletic conference. We know we would never have been on his radar had we still been shackled to the A10. That's an example of separation on the athletic side.

It's funny to consider how some of the delusional UD fans reacted to their shellacking at our hands in Orlando last year. It was their team not playing well, versus the reality of getting blown off the floor by superior talent.

We aren't going to give them even one-thousandth of an once of recognition or acknowledgement by scheduling them. And it's not just about athletics.

[Drew]

I am really split on this one. I loved the rivalry. But the fact is, when you give someone a home & home you are basically saying they are on equal footing. The problem with rivalries is they sort of get an exception to this. And it can backfire. There really is no better example than our own rivalry. UC dominated Xavier for years and I am sure they started losing they wanted to abandon the rivalry because it was a lose-lose for them. But they are stuck with the Crosstown Shootout and since the turn of the century we have dominated them and now have replaced them as the premier program in Cincinnati.

Like I said. I am split about wanting it, but its disingenuous to act like there are not negatives with maintaining a rivalry

[Masterofreality]

Screw 'em. Wouldn't want to give them the publicity. Let them wallow in mediocrity and anonymous status in a tertiary league.

Not changing.

#NeverChange

[LA Muskie]

Threads like this are a good reminder that fans have a vastly different perspective on scheduling matters than administrators do.


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[XUFan09]

The arguments are actually one in the same, and have little to do with athletic considerations. I wouldn't wait up for a scheduling announcement involving the Fayers for regular season games.

Call it The Bluiett Effect: unrestricted separation. In Trevon's case, in recruiting capability, resulting from now being part of a superior athletic conference. We know we would never have been on his radar had we still been shackled to the A10. That's an example of separation on the athletic side.

It's funny to consider how some of the delusional UD fans reacted to their shellacking at our hands in Orlando last year. It was their team not playing well, versus the reality of getting blown off the floor by superior talent.

We aren't going to give them even one-thousandth of an once of recognition or acknowledgement by scheduling them. And it's not just about athletics.

I understand the arguments are one in the same. They just carry a different tone and strength, depending on whether or not we're talking conference affiliation or just a home-and-home series. There is absolutely no question that Dayton joining the Big East would be a negative for Xavier. However, a home-and-home series is a bit more debatable. The same argument does not have the same impact in the latter context. It doesn't even sound the same, really. I agree with Drew to an extent that "when you give someone a home & home you are basically saying they are on equal footing." I just wonder how much the general public and, more significantly, the prospective student populations notice that. I would think that they notice a bit more than some pro-schedulers would estimate, but I also don't think it's a huge difference. However, "unrestricted separation" is a reasonable argument. Then there's no debate about degrees; the two schools are starkly separated. And Dayton must hate it.

[paulxu]

On a non-gorilla related note, there are apparently some comments here about our schedule. I would like to read them, but when I go to the CBS page, it loads up and then disappears. Oh well, hope it says some good things about Xavier basketball.




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Wisconsin, Maryland, & why Xavier is scheduling like it plans on competing for a one seed. Observations @CBSSports:

[GoMuskies]

On a non-gorilla related note


Why?

[GoMuskies]

Xavier is scheduling like a team who plans on competing for a one seed

So much for taking it easy in November and December.

The Musketeers have put together as aggressive of a non-conference schedule as almost any team in college basketball and that level of difficulty reflects the potential capabilities of a squad who returns four starters from last year's 28-win club.

Next season, Xavier will play road games at Baylor, Cincinnati, and Colorado while hosting Wake Forest, Utah, and Northern Iowa at the Cintas Center. Chris Mack's team will also play three games in the Puerto Rico Shootout.

That's a combined nine non-conference games against quality competition before the Musketeers face a single Big East opponent.




Xavier was a two-seed last season before suffering a crushing loss to Wisconsin in the Round of 32.

With four starters back and a top flight non-conference schedule in tow, expect the Musketeers to be in position to be seeded in a comparable position in March of 2017.

[paulxu]

Thanks! I know it's just one guy's opinion, but it sounds like our schedule is a lot better than some people try to make out.

Kudos to Mario and the staff.

[XUFan09]

Thanks! I know it's just one guy's opinion, but it sounds like our schedule is a lot better than some people try to make out.

Kudos to Mario and the staff.

It was impressive how Mario turned a crappy situation into probably a better nonconference SOS than what it would have been with the Big 10 matchup.

[MADXSTER]

It was impressive how Mario turned a crappy situation into probably a better nonconference SOS than what it would have been with the Big 10 matchup.

But now they just need to win. :)

[EastCoastXman]

And the ESPN "not So Early Top 25" has Villanova at #2 and Xavier at #9 along with Creighton at #20 and Seton Hall (with the Isaiah Whitehead departure) getting honorable Mention. Good start for the Big East.

[xubrew]

In the last 3 years before the split, Villanova didn't finish higher than 8th in the BE. Now they dominate for the most part the BE.
Is that because they don't face the old BE members?
Dayton has had a nice run for 3 years. Is that because X, Temple and Butler are gone?

Of course not. And, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying that the idea that an alpha program compromises something by scheduling a traditional OOC rival is a bunch of crap. We wouldn't compromise anything from scheduling Dayton. And, on the flip side, while it would be a good game for Dayton, it wouldn't serve as any sort of catalyst for building their program. They've built it without us, so we're not really denying them anything in the grand scheme of things by not playing them.

You mentioned Nova. Well, Nova does play the Big Five teams. Does it hold them back?? No. Would discontinuing those series make them better?? Probably not. Would discontinuing those series make them WORSE?? Probably not. They're intriguing games that would be gone from the schedule, and that really couldn't be replaced by anyone who could bring the Big Five feel to the OOC. That's really the only thing that's lost, but that's really no small thing. If you can have intensity and intrigue at a time of the year where it's hard to generate any of that, and be in a situation to where you're not compromising anything, then why not do it??

This is true everywhere.

Kentucky doesn't need Indiana, and vice versa. The two don't want to play. Neither is any better off now. In fact, the last time Kentucky won the national title, they lost to Indiana during the regular season.

Kansas's program isn't any better off now that they don't play Mizzou. If anything, their NCAA Tournament performance has been week since the two quit playing. Now, that's not the reason it's weak, but it's kind of an unfortunate fact for those who say they're better off without them. In reality, they're the same without them. If they scheduled them again, they'd continue to be the same, but would have a huge game of intrigue on the schedule.

Syracuse played UConn, Saint John's, and Georgetown this year. They lost to the Johnnies and Georgetown, yet they still made the Final Four. They're not hurting themselves by playing those games even when they don't win them. They have a long term deal with Georgetown. They're not better. They're not worse. They're the same, but with an intense game that's highly intriguing. They don't need it, but there is something to be gained by playing it even if they'd arguably be just as good without it.

I can't think of a single example where an alpha program is better off by dropping a traditional rival, or worse off because they didn't. In reality, I think they're all the same as they would have been with or without the game. But, they're the same with a fun and intense game on the schedule. It's better to have that then not even if it isn't "needed." It's almost easier to argue that programs like Virginia, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Villanova, Oklahoma (who does play Tulsa H/H failry regularly), and others do gain something out of it. I also think it's safe to say that Texas, Texas A&M, Kansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Pitt, Utah aren't any better off for ending their series with long time traditional/regional rivals.

In short, I don't feel alpha programs compromise anything by playing it, nor do they gain anything by not playing it. They ultimately end up looking the same either way. I think there is a gain to playing it, but also understand that it's not a necessary gain. All this hand ringing about how we'd be compromising ourselves by playing Dayton is sheer nonsense. True, we don't need them, but we really don't need UC either. Our national profile would still be pretty much the same with or without them.

[muskiefan82]

Or, X could not play Dayton because X doesn't want to play Dayton and have no other reason than they don't have to play them.

[xubrew]

Or, X could not play Dayton because X doesn't want to play Dayton and have no other reason than they don't have to play them.

I obviously don't agree with that opinion, but at least there is no false logic in that reasoning. That's different than a lot of other arguments people are making, though. You're not saying that it jeopardizes the program or that it compromises anything, nor are you saying that not playing Dayton will somehow hinder their ability to build up their program (I think it's pretty clear by now that's not true). Several others are, and the reasons they're giving for feeling that way are flat out ridiculous.

[novachap]

Of course not. And, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm saying that the idea that an alpha program compromises something by scheduling a traditional OOC rival is a bunch of crap. We wouldn't compromise anything from scheduling Dayton. And, on the flip side, while it would be a good game for Dayton, it wouldn't serve as any sort of catalyst for building their program. They've built it without us, so we're not really denying them anything in the grand scheme of things by not playing them.

You mentioned Nova. Well, Nova does play the Big Five teams. Does it hold them back?? No. Would discontinuing those series make them better?? Probably not. Would discontinuing those series make them WORSE?? Probably not. They're intriguing games that would be gone from the schedule, and that really couldn't be replaced by anyone who could bring the Big Five feel to the OOC. That's really the only thing that's lost, but that's really no small thing. If you can have intensity and intrigue at a time of the year where it's hard to generate any of that, and be in a situation to where you're not compromising anything, then why not do it??

This is true everywhere.

Kentucky doesn't need Indiana, and vice versa. The two don't want to play. Neither is any better off now. In fact, the last time Kentucky won the national title, they lost to Indiana during the regular season.

Kansas's program isn't any better off now that they don't play Mizzou. If anything, their NCAA Tournament performance has been week since the two quit playing. Now, that's not the reason it's weak, but it's kind of an unfortunate fact for those who say they're better off without them. In reality, they're the same without them. If they scheduled them again, they'd continue to be the same, but would have a huge game of intrigue on the schedule.

Syracuse played UConn, Saint John's, and Georgetown this year. They lost to the Johnnies and Georgetown, yet they still made the Final Four. They're not hurting themselves by playing those games even when they don't win them. They have a long term deal with Georgetown. They're not better. They're not worse. They're the same, but with an intense game that's highly intriguing. They don't need it, but there is something to be gained by playing it even if they'd arguably be just as good without it.

I can't think of a single example where an alpha program is better off by dropping a traditional rival, or worse off because they didn't. In reality, I think they're all the same as they would have been with or without the game. But, they're the same with a fun and intense game on the schedule. It's better to have that then not even if it isn't "needed." It's almost easier to argue that programs like Virginia, Wisconsin, Syracuse, Villanova, Oklahoma (who does play Tulsa H/H failry regularly), and others do gain something out of it. I also think it's safe to say that Texas, Texas A&M, Kansas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Pitt, Utah aren't any better off for ending their series with long time traditional/regional rivals.

In short, I don't feel alpha programs compromise anything by playing it, nor do they gain anything by not playing it. They ultimately end up looking the same either way. I think there is a gain to playing it, but also understand that it's not a necessary gain. All this hand ringing about how we'd be compromising ourselves by playing Dayton is sheer nonsense. True, we don't need them, but we really don't need UC either. Our national profile would still be pretty much the same with or without them.

This is a good recap, at least from the Nova perspective. I was there in 85 when Nova pushed to change the big 5 and it was wrong. Wright is a believer in it and although we clearly dominate it (recently) games at St. Joe's, Temple, etc. Are incredibly valuable to Nova. We are the biggest game on the OOC schedule and there is palpable disdain. Those are tough games traditionally. They are intense and forces the team to not take anyone lightly. Clearly we have been loaded the last few years, but they had nothing to lose, we did. The Big 5/ local rival games do help build the team IMHO.

Now, all that being said, having Oklahoma and Virginia last year was good for us and I really like our away at Purdue, neutral with Notre Dame and the home with Virginia this year, on top of a very highly ranked Catholic school from Cincinnati!

I love your banter on UC. I don't know all the history with Dayton, but wouldn't it be fun to keep throttling them?

Btw, like your OOC schedule overall. Is it November yet?

[X-man]

I obviously don't agree with that opinion, but at least there is no false logic in that reasoning. That's different than a lot of other arguments people are making, though. You're not saying that it jeopardizes the program or that it compromises anything, nor are you saying that not playing Dayton will somehow hinder their ability to build up their program (I think it's pretty clear by now that's not true). Several others are, and the reasons they're giving for feeling that way are flat out ridiculous.

Who, pray tell? Everyone I have read, including myself, states we shouldn't play the cryers because we hate their sweater-vested loser fans. In other words, we simply don't want to play them.

[muskiefan82]

I hate Dayton. I hate the way they treated Mrs. Mack. I don't need any other reason. I do not want X to play them because I hate them and it apparently irks them that X won't schedule them. That is enough for me. I would rather play Wright State every year since that might irritate them even more. I can't speak to whether or not this makes any difference RPI-wise or any of that other stuff, but I also don't care. If X NEVER PLAYS THEM AGAIN unless they are forced to in a tournament, I will be happy.

[novachap]

I hate Dayton. I hate the way they treated Mrs. Mack. I don't need any other reason. I do not want X to play them because I hate them and it apparently irks them that X won't schedule them. That is enough for me. I would rather play Wright State every year since that might irritate them even more. I can't speak to whether or not this makes any difference RPI-wise or any of that other stuff, but I also don't care. If X NEVER PLAYS THEM AGAIN unless they are forced to in a tournament, I will be happy.

AHA.... as I said, I didn't know the history. If their fans crossed the line with Mrs. Mack...screw them, I'd feel the same way if it happened to us.

[X-man]

This is a good recap, at least from the Nova perspective. I was there in 85 when Nova pushed to change the big 5 and it was wrong. Wright is a believer in it and although we clearly dominate it (recently) games at St. Joe's, Temple, etc. Are incredibly valuable to Nova. We are the biggest game on the OOC schedule and there is palpable disdain. Those are tough games traditionally. They are intense and forces the team to not take anyone lightly. Clearly we have been loaded the last few years, but they had nothing to lose, we did. The Big 5/ local rival games do help build the team IMHO.

Now, all that being said, having Oklahoma and Virginia last year was good for us and I really like our away at Purdue, neutral with Notre Dame and the home with Virginia this year, on top of a very highly ranked Catholic school from Cincinnati!

I love your banter on UC. I don't know all the history with Dayton, but wouldn't it be fun to keep throttling them?

Btw, like your OOC schedule overall. Is it November yet?
Frankly, as fun as it would be to keep the Jimmy Carter streak alive, it is even more fun to piss off their fans by refusing to play their sorry asses.

[paulxu]

We've still got our inner-city Big 5...it's the Big 2 with UC.

Also, it's a lot of fun to hear the bitching and moaning for a couple years about the relative merits of the programs...then meet them on a neutral court so they can't claim some Jimmy Carter dis-advantage...and boat race them out of the gym.

[xubrew]

Who, pray tell? Everyone I have read, including myself, states we shouldn't play the cryers because we hate their sweater-vested loser fans. In other words, we simply don't want to play them.

You're joking, right??

ALL of the following reasons have been given, and then some....

-We have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

-They have everything to gain and nothing to lose (because, yunno, we're concerned about what they gain and what they lose)

-It will hurt our RPI.

-It validates their program, and invalidates ours because it means we view them as an equal

-Doing so will negatively impact our enrollment and application numbers (one of my favorites)

-Doing so some how hurts us institutionally

-Doing so will somehow result in them getting into the Big East. Or, at the very least, any time someone speaks favorably of the series, someone will whine about how we're in the Big East now, and Dayton is not, and we don't want them in the Big East, and then begins to list all the reasons why they don't belong in the Big East as if playing them OOC and having them join the Big East are one and the same.

-Doing so will hinder our recruiting. I guess the logic here was if they beat us, then the players who we were recruiting would end up wanting to go there instead.

There are actually more that I have forgotten, but there has been some pretty laughable logic as to why we shouldn't play them.

Not playing them to annoy their fans at least makes some sense because we don't play them, and it does annoy their fans. But, having said that, I really hope the brass at Xavier doesn't sit around and ponder things like "Gee, how can we piss off UD's fans?" I also don't think anyone who really matters at Dayton really cares if we play them or not. In fact, I'm pretty sure Archie Miller doesn't like the idea of some other team be their "Super Bowl." If you have a team that's your Super Bowl, it means that the best thing you can hope to accomplish is to win that game, and even if you do win it, the nation shrugs and just says "Oh well, it's their Super Bowl." So, you never actually eclipse the alpha program that way. If anything, being able to plausibly say "They don't even want to play us" probably helps them out more than actually playing the game and having it labeled as their Super Bowl. If given the choice, I think he'd want to play us on equal terms, but I don't think he's losing ten seconds of sleep or is the least bit annoyed that we don't. I also think he and Mack like each other, and that's another reason why we don't play. I don't think the reason is that we feel that doing so will hinder our recruiting, or enrollment, or that it will result in them getting into the Big East, or some of the other ridiculous things people have said. Look through all the old threads. I'm sure the crazy reasoning is all still there.

[Masterofreality]

I hate Dayton. I hate the way they treated Mrs. Mack. I don't need any other reason. I do not want X to play them because I hate them and it apparently irks them that X won't schedule them. That is enough for me. I would rather play Wright State every year since that might irritate them even more. I can't speak to whether or not this makes any difference RPI-wise or any of that other stuff, but I also don't care. If X NEVER PLAYS THEM AGAIN unless they are forced to in a tournament, I will be happy.

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[Masterofreality]

I don't think anyone who really matters at Dayton really cares if Xavier plays them or not. In fact, I'm pretty sure Archie Miller doesn't like the idea of some other team be their "Super Bowl." If you have a team that's your Super Bowl, it means that the best thing you can hope to accomplish is to win that game, and even if you do win it, the nation shrugs and just says "Oh well, it's their Super Bowl." So, you never actually eclipse the alpha program that way.

Except that it has actually occurred....within a 4 mile radius of the Xavier campus where the former "alpha" program HAS most assuredly been "eclipsed".

#XavierVsThatSchoolInClifton

[xubrew]

Except that it has actually occurred....within a 4 mile radius of the Xavier campus where the former "alpha" program HAS most assuredly been "eclipsed".

#XavierVsThatSchoolInClifton

...and you think that was a result of them not dropping us from the schedule?? So, the whole Bob Huggins debacle where they then hired an interim coach and then hired yet a third coach who had basically gone two years without recruiting a single player had nothing to do with it in your mind??

We rose, but the series with UC was not the catalyst for our rise. They sunk, but the series with us was not the reason for that either. Had UC dropped us from the schedule entirely, they'd have still crashed into the mountain, and we would have still gotten better. I would almost argue that we became nationally relevant right as that game stopped being considered our Super Bowl. It just got to a point to where we realized winning tournament games was a bigger deal than beating UC. To say otherwise gives UC way too much credit for our success, when in reality they deserve virtually no credit whatsoever.

[paulxu]

Brew, I appreciate your ardent desire to play Dayton, and your impassioned defense of why we should.
But, as you noted, Miller probably doesn't want to because he doesn't want us to be his Super Bowl.

Lots of "rivalries" get dropped...for better or worse.
Our most important one continues. The national prominence of our UC game far exceeds anything the Dayton game ever offered.

But I think you beat a dead horse to the point of reaching for some straws. It might be nice, but it's not that important in the grand scheme.
Obviously there are some reasons inside Cintas to not schedule it. Who the hell knows what exactly they are. But they must be good ones.

We are where we are, and it's an OK place. We're not inter-state rivalries of large state schools as you noted in many examples. What we are is an ever-improving basketball school and hopefully we'll keep getting better. Let Dayton play in the A10 and forget it.

[X-man]

You're joking, right??

ALL of the following reasons have been given, and then some....

-We have everything to lose and nothing to gain.

-They have everything to gain and nothing to lose (because, yunno, we're concerned about what they gain and what they lose)

-It will hurt our RPI.

-It validates their program, and invalidates ours because it means we view them as an equal

-Doing so will negatively impact our enrollment and application numbers (one of my favorites)

-Doing so some how hurts us institutionally

-Doing so will somehow result in them getting into the Big East. Or, at the very least, any time someone speaks favorably of the series, someone will whine about how we're in the Big East now, and Dayton is not, and we don't want them in the Big East, and then begins to list all the reasons why they don't belong in the Big East as if playing them OOC and having them join the Big East are one and the same.

-Doing so will hinder our recruiting. I guess the logic here was if they beat us, then the players who we were recruiting would end up wanting to go there instead.

There are actually more that I have forgotten, but there has been some pretty laughable logic as to why we shouldn't play them.

Not playing them to annoy their fans at least makes some sense because we don't play them, and it does annoy their fans. But, having said that, I really hope the brass at Xavier doesn't sit around and ponder things like "Gee, how can we piss off UD's fans?" I also don't think anyone who really matters at Dayton really cares if we play them or not. In fact, I'm pretty sure Archie Miller doesn't like the idea of some other team be their "Super Bowl." If you have a team that's your Super Bowl, it means that the best thing you can hope to accomplish is to win that game, and even if you do win it, the nation shrugs and just says "Oh well, it's their Super Bowl." So, you never actually eclipse the alpha program that way. If anything, being able to plausibly say "They don't even want to play us" probably helps them out more than actually playing the game and having it labeled as their Super Bowl. If given the choice, I think he'd want to play us on equal terms, but I don't think he's losing ten seconds of sleep or is the least bit annoyed that we don't. I also think he and Mack like each other, and that's another reason why we don't play. I don't think the reason is that we feel that doing so will hinder our recruiting, or enrollment, or that it will result in them getting into the Big East, or some of the other ridiculous things people have said. Look through all the old threads. I'm sure the crazy reasoning is all still there.

Not joking at all. Most posters to this board simply hate ud and their pathetic fans. Not playing them EVER is the logical extension of that position.

[xudash]

Brew, I appreciate your ardent desire to play Dayton, and your impassioned defense of why we should.
But, as you noted, Miller probably doesn't want to because he doesn't want us to be his Super Bowl.

Lots of "rivalries" get dropped...for better or worse.
Our most important one continues. The national prominence of our UC game far exceeds anything the Dayton game ever offered.

But I think you beat a dead horse to the point of reaching for some straws. It might be nice, but it's not that important in the grand scheme.
Obviously there are some reasons inside Cintas to not schedule it. Who the hell knows what exactly they are. But they must be good ones.

We are where we are, and it's an OK place. We're not inter-state rivalries of large state schools as you noted in many examples. What we are is an ever-improving basketball school and hopefully we'll keep getting better. Let Dayton play in the A10 and forget it.

Public reps to go with the private ones.

The UD "rivalry" is nothing as compared to our rivalry with UC.

As for comparing XU/UD to what goes on in Philadelphia, well, my lord.

[Xu Red Dogg]

Ladies and gentlemen, the Flyer Faithful called the wife of our head coach a "See You Next Tuesday"... Chanted it at here in a public setting.

Ask yourself, would you ever do anything for anyone that called your spouse that?

Save any arguements you have or reasons you think it could happen... Zero shot.

We will never play in that garbage arena in front of all of those "See You Next Tuesday" fans ever again.

[bobbiemcgee]

AHA.... as I said, I didn't know the history. If their fans crossed the line with Mrs. Mack...screw them, I'd feel the same way if it happened to us.

This might give you some perspective. Keep in mind the articles were written by DDN's homer reporters:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/former-ud-great-target-of-foul-mouthed-fans-saturd/nWRZd/

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/college-basketball/verbal-abuse-of-macks-worse-than-first-thought/nWXc6/

[xubrew]

This might give you some perspective. Keep in mind the articles were written by DDN's homer reporters:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/former-ud-great-target-of-foul-mouthed-fans-saturd/nWRZd/

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/college-basketball/verbal-abuse-of-macks-worse-than-first-thought/nWXc6/

This is a quote from the second article, which explains that it was even worse than he thought in the first article....


I’ve also been told that besides the two former students who were identified as culprits and were finally thrown out of the arena, someone else in the student section may have been involved.

So, what it was was two assholes yelling a bunch of bullshit while knowing she couldn't really yell back at them, and who were ejected from the game, which probably took longer than it should have. The article indicates that in addition to the two who were ejected, someone else may have been involved.

Two assholes were being assholes, and they were ejected, and there may have been someone else. Three people total. Maybe.

novachap a Nova fan. He's from Philly. And, it appears as though he's been a fan of the Big East since the 80s. So....question for Novachamp. If the benchmark for not playing a team any more was two assholes yelling abusive and obscene comments at the coach and his family, how many years ago would Nova have completely run out of Big East and Big Five teams to play?? I've got to believe that under that threshold, it would have all ended long before the three point shot became a part of the game.

[novachap]

This might give you some perspective. Keep in mind the articles were written by DDN's homer reporters:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/former-ud-great-target-of-foul-mouthed-fans-saturd/nWRZd/

http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/college-basketball/verbal-abuse-of-macks-worse-than-first-thought/nWXc6/

Thanks, yeah, can't see Chris endorsing playing there anytime soon. It's a shame, seems like such a good role model for UD women too.

Can't stand when those " fans " get out of line like that, but unfortunately everybody has the few idiots who don't know how to act after they have their first beer. Creativve, fun ribbing is one thing, but that really does not need to happen. Was lucky enough to be in Louisville for the E8 game against Kansas. A few idiots, but even in that environment overall there was great interaction amongst the fans (they do travel well though).

Generally speaking, i have found most in our league are great. Again, some bad eggs everywhere, but usually pretty classy and passionate.
Been to most of the old BE sites (not a big fan of Syracuse fans) for games, hoping to get to Hinkle this year and if possible Cintas. Looked awesome on TV last year!

[novachap]

True enough... need thick skin. As I said everyone has idiots. Not sure if your coach would jump to go there though.. I get it, but I also see the benefits of playing them. Looks like I jumped into a very spirited discussion! So.... when do we play? Now that will be a game!!

[Juice]

Ladies and gentlemen, the Flyer Faithful called the wife of our head coach a "See You Next Tuesday"... Chanted it at here in a public setting.

Ask yourself, would you ever do anything for anyone that called your spouse that?

Save any arguements you have or reasons you think it could happen... Zero shot.

We will never play in that garbage arena in front of all of those "See You Next Tuesday" fans ever again.

And on top of it all, she's an alum of their university.

[Drew]

And on top of it all, she's an alum of their university.

And in their Hall of Fame.

[Section 200]

I'm happy to play Dayton, but only at Cintas (or Orlando!). I don't believe the environment surrounding the game is healthy as the similarity of the schools and Xavier's 30 years of dominance has brought out the worst in Dayton fans. Then Xavier fans feel compelled to respond to the hate, and the environment is just ugly. I'm enjoying the break from the series and hope it continues.

[waggy]

Someone needs a new watermelon. Jeez.

[bourbonman]

I hate Dayton. I hate the way they treated Mrs. Mack. I don't need any other reason. I do not want X to play them because I hate them and it apparently irks them that X won't schedule them. That is enough for me. I would rather play Wright State every year since that might irritate them even more. I can't speak to whether or not this makes any difference RPI-wise or any of that other stuff, but I also don't care. If X NEVER PLAYS THEM AGAIN unless they are forced to in a tournament, I will be happy.

Ditto!

[xubrew]

I'm happy to play Dayton, but only at Cintas (or Orlando!). I don't believe the environment surrounding the game is healthy as the similarity of the schools and Xavier's 30 years of dominance has brought out the worst in Dayton fans. Then Xavier fans feel compelled to respond to the hate, and the environment is just ugly. I'm enjoying the break from the series and hope it continues.

I actually do completely understand this point of view. I personally just don't share this point of view. In fact, I'm the complete opposite. I would call the same thing that you call "unhealthy" as "intense" or "electric." Maybe it's because I've spent too much time around soccer hooligans or other bitter college rivalries, but it's that atmosphere that I'm intrigued by and drawn to rather than turned off by. If we could get a team to hate us more than Dayton, then that's who I'd want to play. But, until that happens then I wish we'd keep playing them. I genuinely do think that playing them makes more sense on paper than not, but that's only half the reason if I'm being honest. I just like the hostile environment, and as of now there isn't another team that we could be playing that could give us that.

I've actually been to A LOT of, places. My assessment of Dayton's hostility is that it's about average. In it's heyday I would call X v UD a typical rivalry in terms of the intensity and hostility. Not above and beyond, but certainly not any less. Their fan base pretty much is as described on here. Middle aged sweater vests and drunken college students. I mean, what the hell are they really gonna do?? Sneeze at them and they'll shut up. I've been in a few situations where it did feel unsettling being in the stadium or arena, but I wouldn't put the sweater vest/drunk students who run up their parents credit cards atmosphere at UD Arena is being among them. Not even close, actually. It can certainly be intense, but it's not over the top. Other than yelling a bunch of pathetic nonsense at you, they pretty much just sit down, shut up, and throw a fit once they've been beaten. Brawling turns me off, but I've never really seen that from my times at UD Arena, or at most other college venues to be honest. Short of constant brawling, I just love that atmosphere whether it's home or away. Most people didn't believe me when I said I didn't give a crap about playing them in Disney World, but the truth is that I really didn't. It's nowhere close to being the same. It's like saying "well, sorry we couldn't get you front row tickets to the concert, but here's some balcony seats for the cover band!"

I'm not saying you're wrong, or even disagreeing with your opinion. I understand it. I'm just leveling with you. The reasons I want to play them is the exact same reason that no one else really does. The hostility.

[GIMMFD]

If you guys think Dayton is hostile, I hope you never attend a WVU/Pitt football or basketball game. It's a hyped up environment with idiots, but trust me there's WAYYYY worse places out there.

[xubrew]

If you guys think Dayton is hostile, I hope you never attend a WVU/Pitt football or basketball game. It's a hyped up environment with idiots, but trust me there's WAYYYY worse places out there.

Most Xavier fans hate the city of Pittsburgh. I'd be in favor of scheduling Pitt home and home, and then coming out in West Virginia warmups. I'm sure they'd happily lend them to us once we explained what we'd be using them for. The Oakland Zoo would lose it's freakin' mind, and it would be hilarious!

EDIT: Okay, given the choice between doing this and playing Dayton, I think I'd much rather do this!

[GoMuskies]

WV had the foulest, nastiest, most loathsome group of fans I've ever encountered.

[Cheesehead]

WV had the foulest, nastiest, most loathsome group of fans I've ever encountered.

in their defense, they live in WV.

[Juice]

WV had the foulest, nastiest, most loathsome group of fans I've ever encountered.

Once attended a high school football game involving Massillon Washington. Those people are some of the lowest trash I've ever seen and heard.

[paulxu]

WV had the foulest, nastiest, most loathsome group of fans I've ever encountered.

Guess that explains why Huggy is over there.

[XUFan09]

in their defense, they live in WV.

Living in Morgantown for a year and Charleston for a year, I can attest to the struggle.

[xubrew]

LSU fans think West Virginia fans are bat shit crazy. If LSU thinks you're crazy, then you're REALLY crazy!

And, yeah, to everyone's point there are a few places where you'd think it was the end of days if you were at the game. West Virginia is definitely one of those places, especially if they were playing Pitt or Virginia Tech.

[paulxu]

One of these is not like the others.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xUpC5s-LlWs/Vfg3PRWTPZI/AAAAAAAAADk/b8oRM8zpPTI/s1600/1todaysbig12.jpg

[XUFan09]

One of these is not like the others.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xUpC5s-LlWs/Vfg3PRWTPZI/AAAAAAAAADk/b8oRM8zpPTI/s1600/1todaysbig12.jpg

They should get BYU, if for no other reason than it would create symmetry.

[X-band '01]

Of course Ames, IA is different - they're the only school north of the Mason-Dixon line.

[xudash]

Living in Morgantown for a year and Charleston for a year, I can attest to the struggle.

Very possibly a third world destination in the United States.

[XUFan09]

Very possibly a third world destination in the United States.

Especially with all the shacks in Sunnyside and up Stewart St.

[GIMMFD]

Most Xavier fans hate the city of Pittsburgh. I'd be in favor of scheduling Pitt home and home, and then coming out in West Virginia warmups. I'm sure they'd happily lend them to us once we explained what we'd be using them for. The Oakland Zoo would lose it's freakin' mind, and it would be hilarious!

EDIT: Okay, given the choice between doing this and playing Dayton, I think I'd much rather do this!

Lol if you even consider the Oakland Zoo a fan base, at the Coliseum in Morgantown a game between WVU/Pitt had to be stopped for a moment because someone hit an assistant coach with a battery. Where they got the battery from? I'll never know. Huggins literally stopped the game, grabbed the microphone and was like "That's just stupid. Don't do anything stupid."




WV had the foulest, nastiest, most loathsome group of fans I've ever encountered.

What do you expect when you give moonshine to a bunch of people without a professional sports team??

[paulxu]

I'll update this post as we go along...

HOME
Wake Forest - Dec 17th
Utah
Northern Iowa
Lehigh
Buffalo

AWAY
Cincinnati
Baylor - Dec 3rd(possibly)
Colorado - Dec 7th

NEUTRAL
Puerto Rico Tip-Off - Nov 17, 18, 20. Field is Oklahoma, Missouri, UNI, Clemson, Tulane, Arizona State, and Davidson

Somebody help me out here. From Madx's list above, we've got 11 OOC games booked. As one of them is with UNI (also in Puerto Rico) we can do a total of 31. Is that right? So we have 2 more openings?

[XMuskieFTW]

Somebody help me out here. From Madx's list above, we've got 11 OOC games booked. As one of them is with UNI (also in Puerto Rico) we can do a total of 31. Is that right? So we have 2 more openings?

That is correct. My guess is two more buy games.

[paulxu]

That is correct. My guess is two more buy games.

Thanks.

[XMuskieFTW]

According to Lehigh's forum, someone who spoke to their coach said that they will play Xavier for the opener. I'd imagine we'd play that Friday per usual, so sounds like November 11th it is. That will be a really solid test as an opening game.

[xu82]

I should probably know this, but I guess I never paid close attention: when does the schedule usually get finalized and announced?

[XMuskieFTW]

I should probably know this, but I guess I never paid close attention: when does the schedule usually get finalized and announced?

Last year the full home nonconference schedule with dates was officially released may 26th. The two road games were officially announced August 20th even though we knew the Michigan date in like April. Full Big East schedule was released September 8th.

[xu82]

Last year the full home nonconference schedule with dates was officially released may 26th. The two road games were officially announced August 20th even though we knew the Michigan date in like April. Full Big East schedule was released September 8th.

Thanks! (And well done!) Should be soon then for me to figure out my annual pilgrimage to Cintas. Hoping to coordinate this with a certain Bengal game.

[XMuskieFTW]

Thanks! (And well done!) Should be soon then for me to figure out my annual pilgrimage to Cintas. Hoping to coordinate this with a certain Bengal game.

Also Utah is dec 10th and northern Iowa nov 26. Those haven't been updated yet.

[xu82]

Also Utah is dec 10th and northern Iowa nov 26. Those haven't been updated yet.

I'm looking for games around the Bills/Bengals game on Sunday, Nov 20. I could make a nice double header out of my trip.

[XUFan09]

Isn't there a game on December 3? It's a Saturday (and my 30th birthday).

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[xu82]

Isn't there a game on December 3? It's a Saturday (and my 30th birthday).

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I'm hoping for the Saturday or Tuesday before, but if you let Mario know they should indeed schedule a big win for your 30th!!!

[XMuskieFTW]

Isn't there a game on December 3? It's a Saturday (and my 30th birthday).

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I would imagine there would be a game that day. There's like 5 open days(Wednesday/saturdays) and 4 games still to schedule. Baylor buffalo and two byes. There's a decent chance the 3rd will be Baylor, but that could be November 30th or after wake.

[XMuskieFTW]

I'm looking for games around the Bills/Bengals game on Sunday, Nov 20. I could make a nice double header out of my trip.

That's the weekend of Puerto Rico. We won't be at home anytime around that probably.

[xu82]

That's the weekend of Puerto Rico. We won't be at home anytime around that probably.

Well that blows! Just my luck.... I was hoping to balance a Bills loss with a Xavier win.

But I've never been to Puerto Rico and I bet they get Bills games.......

[MADXSTER]

I should probably know this, but I guess I never paid close attention: when does the schedule usually get finalized and announced?

Typically sometime around Fathers Day weekend...give or take

[X-band '01]

Xavier Releases 2016-17 Noncon Schedule (http://goxavier.com/news/2016/6/9/mens-basketball-releases-non-conference-schedule.aspx)

Final 2 home opponents will be North Dakota State (11/30/16) and Eastern Washington (12/20/16). North Dakota State will have a decent shot of winning the Summit League, but Eastern Washington will probably be the easiest of the buy games on the schedule.

[XMuskieFTW]

Huge fan of the NDSU game. Generally a top 2 team in the Summit and they're returning 6 of their top 7 following a 20 win season.

[sgarcia]

Wow that's excellent work. EWU usually is right up there in the Big Sky and NDSU is there in the Summit. I like that we play the better teams from these 1 bid leagues. Gone are the days that we play UMES or some other atrocious 300+ RPI school.

[XMuskieFTW]

I'm glad Baylor and Colorado are back to back. Going to try and take the week off and make a trip out of those two games.

[X-band '01]

Per Jon Rothstein, these are the tentative matchups for the 2016 Puerto Rico Tip-Off Classic:

Xavier-Missouri
Clemson-Davidson

Arizona State-Northern Iowa
Oklahoma-Tulane

No surprise here. Xavier and UNI have to be on opposite sides of the bracket, and a potential championship game against either UNI or Oklahoma is on the table.

[GoMuskies]

Davidson is probably the best team (other than us) on our side of the bracket, right?

[X-band '01]

Clempson was better last year, frankly. I'm not sure why Davidson regressed from their prior season when they won the A-10 regular season and got hammered by Iowa in their tournament opener.

Anyone else think that history will repeat itself and Macura (or someone else) has to bail out Xavier in a game with a half-court 3?

[GoMuskies]

Hopefully not against Misery! And I sure hope we have an easier time with the Tigers than we did the last time we saw them in Puerto Rico.

[muskiefan82]

If this is truly a top 10 team, X should run rampant over them.

[X-band '01]

Hopefully not against Misery! And I sure hope we have an easier time with the Tigers than we did the last time we saw them in Puerto Rico.

That "Misery" team actually won the Big 12 and went to the Elite 8 that season. A few years later, they hired Frank Haith and began a downward spiral that they have yet to recover from. That was also a team with DeMarre Carroll on the roster.

[muskiefan82]

That "Misery" team actually won the Big 12 and went to the Elite 8 that season. A few years later, they hired Frank Haith and began a downward spiral that they have yet to recover from. That was also a team with DeMarre Carroll on the roster.

I still wonder WTF they were thinking with that hire. Missouri has really made some historically bad choices for coaches. Quin Snyder and Haith have to be two of the worst decisions made there.

[xubrew]

Davidson is probably the best team (other than us) on our side of the bracket, right?

A better way of putting it is that they are the least shitty team.

[XMuskieFTW]

A better way of putting it is that they are the least shitty team.

Davidson will be in the mix for making the tourney this year. They have an Icelandic freshman named Jon Axel Gudmundsson. What more could they need?

[Chalmers0]

Clempson was better last year, frankly. I'm not sure why Davidson regressed from their prior season when they won the A-10 regular season and got hammered by Iowa in their tournament opener.

Clemson hasn't been great but they were actually #48 in KenPom last year despite a near .500 record. They lose Roper and Nnoko who were both respectable but they do still have a future NBA draft pick in Blossomgame, who can really play.

Davidson's issues usually can be pointed back to them being pretty 3 point reliant and consistently awful defensively.

Definitely a tournament X should be decent favorites in, but there are some individual match-ups that could pose issues.

[STL_XUfan]

That "Misery" team actually won the Big 12 and went to the Elite 8 that season. A few years later, they hired Frank Haith and began a downward spiral that they have yet to recover from. That was also a team with DeMarre Carroll on the roster.

Frank Haith's agent is a sorcerer. Each time the NCAA is about to impose sanctions on Haith for his multitude of violations, he not only finds a new job, he gets a raise. I am not suggesting that we start burning witches again, just that if we do, Haith's agent should be first in line.

[X-band '01]

Frank Haith's agent is a sorcerer. Each time the NCAA is about to impose sanctions on Haith for his multitude of violations, he not only finds a new job, he gets a raise. I am not suggesting that we start burning witches again, just that if we do, Haith's agent should be first in line.

But as any 3rd year witch or wizard at Hogwarts will tell you, a simple Freezing Charm will correct the situation.

[XMuskieFTW]

http://www.ubbullrun.com/buffalo-basketball/2016/7/13/12162250/buffalo-bulls-mens-basketball-point-guard-lamonte-bearden-to-transfer

Buffalo won't be quite as good as expected when we play them this year. Still return a ton of players and should still contend for the MAC.

[sirthought]

http://www.ubbullrun.com/buffalo-basketball/2016/7/13/12162250/buffalo-bulls-mens-basketball-point-guard-lamonte-bearden-to-transfer

Buffalo won't be quite as good as expected when we play them this year. Still return a ton of players and should still contend for the MAC.

That's too bad for them. Bearden was playing pretty well. I wonder where he'll land?

[XMuskieFTW]

That's too bad for them. Bearden was playing pretty well. I wonder where he'll land?

Wisconsin, Arizona, TCU, Texas A&M, Marquette, Iowa State and Miami are apparently on his list. He's from Milwaukee and was high school teammates with Showalter so Wisconsin could be an ideal fit.

[xubrew]

http://www.ubbullrun.com/buffalo-basketball/2016/7/13/12162250/buffalo-bulls-mens-basketball-point-guard-lamonte-bearden-to-transfer

Buffalo won't be quite as good as expected when we play them this year. Still return a ton of players and should still contend for the MAC.

That REALLY sucks for Buffalo.

[X-band '01]

Per Jon Rothstein, these are the tentative matchups for the 2016 Puerto Rico Tip-Off Classic:

Xavier-Missouri
Clemson-Davidson

Arizona State-Northern Iowa
Oklahoma-Tulane

No surprise here. Xavier and UNI have to be on opposite sides of the bracket, and a potential championship game against either UNI or Oklahoma is on the table.

Official Puerto Rico Tip-Off Bracket (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2016/7/14/2016_Puerto_Rico_Tip_Off_Bracket_Eastern_.pdf)

Go ahead and start planning for a few long lunches - the "Misery" game will be Thursday, November 17 on ESPNU at 1 PM. Their Friday game will also be a day game as well.

[sirthought]

Official Puerto Rico Tip-Off Bracket (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2016/7/14/2016_Puerto_Rico_Tip_Off_Bracket_Eastern_.pdf)

Go ahead and start planning for a few long lunches - the "Misery" game will be Thursday, November 17 on ESPNU at 1 PM. Their Friday game will also be a day game as well.

Bummer. It's times like these when I wish I still had a DVR in the house.

[bobbiemcgee]

I have fond memories of our last visit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RB9dTHUctVg

[Emp]

THAT was a great one. What is the best half court or better shot in Xavier history?

[GoMuskies]

THAT was a great one. What is the best half court or better shot in Xavier history?

Dedrick Finn in Orlando against Mississippi State, of course.

[X-band '01]

THAT was a great one. What is the best half court or better shot in Xavier history?

Lionel Chalmers at Toledo. Xavier would have gone to a 3rd straight NIT if not for that shot.

[bourbonman]

Not best of all times, but in December 1978 Nick Daniels hitting the game winner from deep in the corner to beat Tennessee in their holiday tournament to win the championship. Xavier hadn't won much lately and after beating a ranked Southern Cal team the night before it was IMHO the start of the long climb to where we are today.

[Xville]

Lionel Chalmers at Toledo. Xavier would have gone to a 3rd straight NIT if not for that shot.
Do it Bj...do it!

[bobbiemcgee]

UNI preview from CSM:

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/13454

[Masterofreality]

Tip time and TV announcement:

�� ESPN2
�� Baylor vs Xavier
⏰ 2:30 pm CT
�� Dec 3
�� Ferrell Center

#SicEm

[xukeith]

THAT was a great one. What is the best half court or better shot in Xavier history?

Me, Mr. Negative, remembers the Worst half court shot. Nick Van Excel Crosstown shootout:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe19NmDOdik

[XMuskieFTW]

Crosstown Shootout will be January 26th.

[bourbonman]

Crosstown Shootout will be January 26th.

So I now hope there's no huge conference opponent on that Saturday, especially if an afternoon road game. Would be very short turnaround after an emotional rivalry game. JMHO.

[XMuskieFTW]

So I now hope there's no huge conference opponent on that Saturday, especially if an afternoon road game. Would be very short turnaround after an emotional rivalry game. JMHO.

I have to imagine X knew their Big East schedule or at least the dates prior to scheduling this game. I feel like we wouldn't have agreed to Thursday if we did have a Saturday road game. I wonder how much control we have over the situation though.

[xubrew]

The Shootout is great preparation for conference play, especially when you're the road team, because it puts you in a hostile environment that matches virtually any conference road game that you'll play in. That advantage is lost when you play it in the middle of the conference season. Not a fan of the date.

[Masterofreality]

I have to imagine X knew their Big East schedule or at least the dates prior to scheduling this game. I feel like we wouldn't have agreed to Thursday if we did have a Saturday road game. I wonder how much control we have over the situation though.

ESPN and SucKS controls this year so they don't give a crap about us. Hopefully this is our League "off weekend".

[paulxu]

Somebody should tell this guy that January 26, 2017 is a Thursday.

http://cincyontheprowl.com/2016/08/20/crosstown-shootout-set-sunday-january-26/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

[Muskie]

Somebody should tell this guy that January 26, 2017 is a Thursday.

http://cincyontheprowl.com/2016/08/20/crosstown-shootout-set-sunday-january-26/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email

Also.. Is January 26 really a late season match up?

[X-band '01]

It is if you're of the mindset that Xavier should never make any concessions to UC to keep them happy and the rivalry going.

We'll see what the Big East holds in store for Xavier that weekend - they would already be using one of the open dates midweek.

[X-man]

Somebody should tell this guy that January 26, 2017 is a Thursday.

http://cincyontheprowl.com/2016/08/20/crosstown-shootout-set-sunday-january-26/?utm_campaign=FanSided+Daily&utm_source=FanSided+Daily&utm_medium=email
It is uc fan after all....bound to be numerically challenged and therefore either can't read a calendar or thinks a 9 and a 6 are the same thing.

[GIMMFD]

That's the latest it's been played in what, the last 5-6 years right?? Isn't is usually mid December?? Strange.

[RyanblockXU]

this is not unprecedented. In 2014-15 when Uc hosted the CTS, the game took place on FEB 18

It was apart of ESPN rivalry week, so I would imagine that it's also apart of rivalry week this season as well

[Muskie]

Supposedly this week for the conference schedule.

[xubrew]

Also.. Is January 26 really a late season match up?

I wouldn't call it late season, but it's in the middle of conference play. If you look at the game the way I do (and I realize that not everyone does), then one of the major benefits to playing it is completely lost when you don't play it in November or December. You don't get the chance to play in a hostile/rivalry environment prior to conference play. Win or lose, at the very least playing it early gives you the chance to play a game that feels very much like a big time conference game before you actually have to play a conference game.

[XUMIOH12]

Supposedly this week for the conference schedule.

i think i heard Tuesday is when they will announce it

[XMuskieFTW]

Yea. It's supposed to be tomorrow according to Rothstein. Also, the game at Marquette will be Saturday, February 18th at 7pm.

[MADXSTER]

It gives both teams a chance to get an OOC win later in the season.

[XUMIOH12]

supposed to be several good home games on Saturdays this year, including Villanova.

[Muskie]

I wouldn't call it late season, but it's in the middle of conference play. If you look at the game the way I do (and I realize that not everyone does), then one of the major benefits to playing it is completely lost when you don't play it in November or December. You don't get the chance to play in a hostile/rivalry environment prior to conference play. Win or lose, at the very least playing it early gives you the chance to play a game that feels very much like a big time conference game before you actually have to play a conference game.

I agree. I've maintained for years now that X plays better after that game.


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[XUMIOH12]

It gives both teams a chance to get an OOC win later in the season.

definitely is, but i dont think that is as big of a deal when in the Big East as opposed to when we were in the A10.

[X-band '01]

supposed to be several good home games on Saturdays this year, including Villanova.

Hopefully there won't be a post-Villanova hangover like last year. After the Nova win last year, this was the schedule:

L @ Seton Hall
W v. Marquette (Big East Tournament)
L v. Seton Hall (Big East Tournament)
W v. Weber State (NCAA Tournament)
L v. Wisconsin (NCAA Tournament)

[Muskie]

Yea. It's supposed to be tomorrow according to Rothstein. Also, the game at Marquette will be Saturday, February 18th at 7pm.

At Marquette or Cintas?

[XMuskieFTW]

At Marquette or Cintas?

At Marquette.

[Muskie]

At Marquette.
Thanks. I saw that someone found it on the Marquette site by looking at their season ticket package while they paid their bill. No such luck for us. Just went to check, and no basketball games are listed.

I just booked a hotel for the Marquette Game. See you in Milwaukee?

[Muskie]

X will host Creighton at 2pm on MLK day.


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[XMuskieFTW]

Not a fan of the week day afternoon game. Meh.

[94GRAD]

X will host Creighton at 2pm on MLK day.


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I believe it's a 2:30 tipoff. Day drinking on a Monday can't be beat!

[GoMuskies]

Not a fan of the week day afternoon game. Meh.

Yeah, some people don't get MLK day off work.

[BMoreX]

Yeah, some people don't get MLK day off work.

Nope.

[GoMuskies]

Nope.

Me, neither.

[94GRAD]

Yeah, some people don't get MLK day off work.

I'll be working my ass off that day as well

[XMuskieFTW]

Guess I'll have to do the stream on my phone with a paper half covering the phone tactic that day.

[bigdiggins]

Yeah, some people don't get MLK day off work.

Most people who don't work for a bank or a government entity do not get that day off.

[bjf123]

Most people who don't work for a bank or a government entity do not get that day off.

Guess I'll have to take that afternoon off to go to the game. And yet they have Georgetown, playing in DC, a town where hardly anyone will be working that day, playing at 9:00PM. Makes all kinds of sense. It's also my wife's birthday, so we'll be going somewhere for dinner after that game.


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[Muskie]

I believe it's a 2:30 tipoff. Day drinking on a Monday can't be beat!

The fancy graphic says 2pm that I was emailed.

[sgarcia]

The first game is at noon. I see a 0% chance that game starts before 2:15.

[xubrew]

The first game is at noon. I see a 0% chance that game starts before 2:15.

One of the team busses may have an accident and the first game could be cancelled. I'd call it a 0.000003% chance of starting before 2:15.

[sgarcia]

[QUOTE=bjf123;561574]Guess I'll have to take that afternoon off to go to the game. And yet they have Georgetown, playing in DC, a town where hardly anyone will be working that day, playing at 9:00PM. Makes all kinds of sense. It's also my wife's birthday, so we'll be going somewhere for dinner after that game.


Wizards have a 2pm home game that day.

[bourbonman]

I have to imagine X knew their Big East schedule or at least the dates prior to scheduling this game. I feel like we wouldn't have agreed to Thursday if we did have a Saturday road game. I wonder how much control we have over the situation though.

Well the weekend game is on the road, but it's Sunday at St John's.

[bobbiemcgee]

For those heading to Boulder, I checked rates on maybe the crappiest airline in the world (Frontier) from CVG to DEN for 12/6 to 12/8 @ currently 166. RT

[X-band '01]

Crappy to some, but it does give CVG a much-needed low-cost carrier.

What's not to love about a big chocolate chip cookie they pass out on all their flights?

[bobbiemcgee]

Crappy to some, but it does give CVG a much-needed low-cost carrier.

What's not to love about a big chocolate chip cookie they pass out on all their flights?

I just came back from Atlanta yesterday on Frontier - no cookie - water was 2 bucks. They will bring back the coin-operated toilet soon.

[BMoreX]

For those heading to Boulder, I checked rates on maybe the crappiest airline in the world (Frontier) from CVG to DEN for 12/6 to 12/8 @ currently 166. RT

Allegiant Air flies between BWI and CVG as well now. Only Thursday and Sunday currently, but not bad.

[Roadlife]

Allegiant Air flies between BWI and CVG as well now. Only Thursday and Sunday currently, but not bad.


Has anyone checked the fares on the The Grace L. Ferguson Airline (And Storm Door CO.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKqoDpRXZ8s

[bobbiemcgee]

Local info for Colorado game:

Xavier v. Colorado
Wednesday December 7, 2016
7:00 PM
Coors Event Center

Coffee with Alums in Denver
Wednesday December 7, 2016
7:30 - 10:00 a.m.
Einstein Bros Bagels
Yosemite and Belleview
4920 S Yosemite St
Greenwood Village, CO
(303) 721 - 6655
http://www.einsteinbros.com

(***THIS IS DIFFERENT THAN THE LOCATION ON THE POSTCARD THE SCHOOL SENT OUT***)

Pre-Game Reception in Boulder
Wednesday December 7, 2016
4:30 - 6:30 p.m.
Harpo's Sports Grill
2860 Arapahoe Ave., Boulder, Co. 80303
http://harpossportsgrill.com
Appetizers provided by the Office of Alumni Relations. Game to follow at 7:00 p.m. at the University of Colorado.

Tickets

Need tickets to the game and want to sit with Xavier fans?

Tickets are $30 each and can be purchased when making reservations for the pre-game reception!

You can make reservations by going to the Xavier alumni page, then clicking on events, and then clicking on X on the Road.

[mid major]

For those heading to Boulder, I checked rates on maybe the crappiest airline in the world (Frontier) from CVG to DEN for 12/6 to 12/8 @ currently 166. RT

Update: I just checked and this fare shows up as $76.20

[bobbiemcgee]

Decent hotel - close to Coors Event center:

https://www.reservationcounter.com/hotels/show/114770/millennium-harvest-house-boulder/?check-in=12%2F07%2F2016&forceCalendarOpen=no&check-out=12%2F08%2F2016&citystate=

[American X]

I appreciate having our invitational last week. I am not a fan of Thanksgiving festivities conflicting with my Xavier game.

[X-band '01]

Shouldn't be much of a conflict the next 2 years, either. The Las Vegas Invitational is a nighttime affair, and Maui is right before Thanksgiving.