Ticket Renewals are in the Mail

[Muskie]

Seems early. But I guess it's not.

My seats did not go up in price.

[xeus]

No, it's about that time of year. I guess this is the last season before the big seat heist, right?

[Masterofreality]

Seems early. But I guess it's not.

My seats did not go up in price.

Hopefully we will NOT be dealing with relocation, Muskie.
Based on what I heard from Greg Christopher, you and I were safe from being moved.

[bjf123]

The relocation doesn't happen until April 1, 2017. On that date, no one will have any assigned seats in Cintas. That's what was said when I attended one of the informational lunches about the whole process.


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[Masterofreality]

The relocation doesn't happen until April 1, 2017. On that date, no one will have any assigned seats in Cintas. That's what was said when I attended one of the informational lunches about the whole process.


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Aren't they building the "balcony" over the student section this summer and expanding the Joseph Club?

[fellahmuskie]

Aren't they building the "balcony" over the student section this summer and expanding the Joseph Club?

That's next summer, along with revamping the courtside and premium seating.

[Masterofreality]

That's next summer, along with revamping the courtside and premium seating.

Ah. I don't know why I thought for sure that it was this summer.

[XUMIOH12]

Ah. I don't know why I thought for sure that it was this summer.

yeah i think that is the year after, coinciding with the whole start from scratch seating thing.

[Muskie]

Hopefully we will NOT be dealing with relocation, Muskie.
Based on what I heard from Greg Christopher, you and I were safe from being moved.

I'm at peace with it either way at this point. But I hope you're right.

[bjf123]

yeah i think that is the year after, coinciding with the whole start from scratch seating thing.

Yep. Nothing changes until the end of next season and then we're all in limbo until the reseating process begins and our Musketeer Points number comes up.

[muskienick]

I'm sure the powers that be will develop a way to process the seat relocations for each of the season ticket-holders, but if they are not beginning the rebuilding process until April 1, 2017, how will we be able to visit the Cintas Center to select our seats on a decreasing Musketeer Points schedule with time to spare prior to the season?

[bjf123]

If I remember correctly, you won't actually visit. You'll pick your seats based on a seating chart. Everyone should have a good idea of what things would look like from a particular area. I know where I want to be sitting. If I can't get close to that, I'm out.


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[nuts4xu]

My pops and I have one more season to decide what we want to do. These seats are in the old man's name, who has had seats for 30 seasons now, but we are unlikely to keep our current seats. Our current seats in section 104 will increase exponentially and I think we are far more likely to move than to pay the added costs.

I am not judging anyone, nor am I even complaining about the increase in our seats. It is what it is, and I hope we continue to enhance our revenue to enable us to keep up with our competition. I think our family may get more bang for our buck by buying 4 seats in a different location. I don't want to move, but I am curious to see how the place will look with the new configuration.

[xeus]

I would sign up for my current seats for life if I could. I like the people I sit with, I like my seats, but it's unlikely I'll be able to retain them when the reassignment happens. I have always expected a price increase, and have no problem with that. But kicking everyone out to make a few seats wider is stupid and shortsighted.

[bjf123]

Not every seat is going up in price. I think mine actually go down a little.


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[Cheesehead]

Got my renewal. Same price as last season for Section 201

[X-man]

I would sign up for my current seats for life if I could. I like the people I sit with, I like my seats, but it's unlikely I'll be able to retain them when the reassignment happens. I have always expected a price increase, and have no problem with that. But kicking everyone out to make a few seats wider is stupid and shortsighted.

I agree. Let them know how you feel about this. I did.

[Xavier]

Yeah, not as long as a lot of you guys but my group has been season ticket holders since Cintas Center opened. I doubt we will renew and be apart of the reassignment.

[MADXSTER]

Can you get tickets for SRO? Just sayin cause it may come down to that :yahoo:

[TUclutch]

Im curious what those of you who are saying you won't buy if your specific seats aren't available would do if they built a new arena? Because in reality while its the same building its basically what would happen if they built a new place. Would you be this upset and refuse to buy new seats then? Surely no one really thought Cintas would be permanent, so how is this renovation and seating issue that different from a new arena with the same need to pick seats again?

[X-man]

Im curious what those of you who are saying you won't buy if your specific seats aren't available would do if they built a new arena? Because in reality while its the same building its basically what would happen if they built a new place. Would you be this upset and refuse to buy new seats then? Surely no one really thought Cintas would be permanent, so how is this renovation and seating issue that different from a new arena with the same need to pick seats again?
But it is NOT a new arena. The Cintas Center is just going to have a small increase in the number of seats available. It is therefore ridiculous that they are going to reseat the entire season ticket base to accommodate the change. I know a lot of current season ticket buyers who will not renew if their seating arrangement is substantially changed. I will likely be able to retain my seats given the points I have, but many of those around me will likely be moved. Should that happen I will have to think very hard as to whether I want to retain my own seats. That is the problem with this dumb arrangement.

[Milhouse]

Next year will be my 5th year as a season ticketholder so the change doesn't affect me (as far as I can tell it may help me) but I can understand why people that are 10 year+ may be upset. I've certainly developed a friendly relationship with the people around me

[TUclutch]

But it is NOT a new arena. The Cintas Center is just going to have a small increase in the number of seats available. It is therefore ridiculous that they are going to reseat the entire season ticket base to accommodate the change. I know a lot of current season ticket buyers who will not renew if their seating arrangement is substantially changed. I will likely be able to retain my seats given the points I have, but many of those around me will likely be moved. Should that happen I will have to think very hard as to whether I want to retain my own seats. That is the problem with this dumb arrangement.

It basically is going to be a new arena though. Same exterior, new interior. Seat increase, changes in types of seating for premium members, changes in courtside and joseph lounge. This is all stuff that would happen if the arena was replaced, but because the foundation and walls of the arena aren't being torn down, people are upset. I find that both funny and ridiculous if that is the logic.

[X-man]

It basically is going to be a new arena though. Same exterior, new interior. Seat increase, changes in types of seating for premium members, changes in courtside and joseph lounge. This is all stuff that would happen if the arena was replaced, but because the foundation and walls of the arena aren't being torn down, people are upset. I find that both funny and ridiculous if that is the logic.

The "logic", as you call it, is quite simple. The Cintas is adding some new seats. They are also "renovating" less than 200 seats in the lower rows of Sections 101-104. But they are using this renovation as an excuse to reseat the entire season ticketholder base, regardless of length of time one has been a season ticketholder (over 25 years in my case) or the relationships that seat-holders have developed with those sitting in their area. And they are offering a "solution" for anyone afraid of losing their seat...give more money so you can beef up your points. It's a money grab, plain and simple, without the slightest regard for fan loyalty to the program.

[TUclutch]

The "logic", as you call it, is quite simple. The Cintas is adding some new seats. They are also "renovating" less than 200 seats in the lower rows of Sections 101-104. But they are using this renovation as an excuse to reseat the entire season ticketholder base, regardless of length of time one has been a season ticketholder (over 25 years in my case) or the relationships that seat-holders have developed with those sitting in their area. And they are offering a "solution" for anyone afraid of losing their seat...give more money so you can beef up your points. It's a money grab, plain and simple, without the slightest regard for fan loyalty to the program.

It's no different than if they built an entirely new arena. You never answered my question about that. Would you have been this upset then? Or did you and others think Cintas would/should be around forever just as it was so that seating would never change again in your lifetime?

[blueblob06]

My seats went down in price from last year! Nice! I'm in 206 (upper corner)

[theleague]

The "logic", as you call it, is quite simple. The Cintas is adding some new seats. They are also "renovating" less than 200 seats in the lower rows of Sections 101-104. But they are using this renovation as an excuse to reseat the entire season ticketholder base, regardless of length of time one has been a season ticketholder (over 25 years in my case) or the relationships that seat-holders have developed with those sitting in their area. And they are offering a "solution" for anyone afraid of losing their seat...give more money so you can beef up your points. It's a money grab, plain and simple, without the slightest regard for fan loyalty to the program.

- I mean, they are giving us a three year notice and have asked all of us for our concerns/suggestions.
- Yes, it's a "money grab" in the sense that it will increase revenues, which you know, you kind of need to compete in the current college athletic landscape.

[Lamont Sanford]

My seats went down in price from last year! Nice! I'm in 206 (upper corner)

I'm in Section 206 too and my 16/17 seats went down as well! Suck it whine-n-cheesers!

[X-man]

I'm in Section 206 too and my 16/17 seats went down as well! Suck it whine-n-cheesers!

I'm in 104, and mine are going down after the "reseat". Suck it, upper-level pikers!

[X-man]

It's no different than if they built an entirely new arena. You never answered my question about that. Would you have been this upset then? Or did you and others think Cintas would/should be around forever just as it was so that seating would never change again in your lifetime?

Can't discuss this any further so long as you continue to maintain the nonsensical position that altering a couple of 100 seats, plus adding seating above the student section is no different than building a new arena.

[X-man]

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- I mean, they are giving us a three year notice and have asked all of us for our concerns/suggestions.
- Yes, it's a "money grab" in the sense that it will increase revenues, which you know, you kind of need to compete in the current college athletic landscape.
1. It's a 2-year notice.
2. They are abrogating the seat license arrangement in violation of the terms of my contract with them.
3. They don't appear to give a shit about anyone's "concerns/suggestions".
4. If they need more money, why not just ask for it rather than forcing everyone into a new round of seating arrangements and pissing everyone (but Tuclutch, apparently) off.

[Xaveriana]

But it is NOT a new arena. The Cintas Center is just going to have a small increase in the number of seats available. It is therefore ridiculous that they are going to reseat the entire season ticket base to accommodate the change. I know a lot of current season ticket buyers who will not renew if their seating arrangement is substantially changed. I will likely be able to retain my seats given the points I have, but many of those around me will likely be moved. Should that happen I will have to think very hard as to whether I want to retain my own seats. That is the problem with this dumb arrangement.

RANT ALERT!!!
Completely agree. Stop the money-grab Xavier. When is enough? I believe for many of us it's a question of loyalty. When Xavier needed the money to build Cintas, we stepped up. It was the right thing to do. We were rewarded with great basketball, a great arena, our name on the wall, great times. We are fearful that we'll lose any aspect of this. In 2000 I knew no one around my seats. Over the last 15 years I have built strong relationships and hang out with those immediately around me. We all have substantially different point totals and are scared to death we will be broken up. I know solutions have been offered around donating more to get points up or selecting together with the lowest point carrier in the group. These are not feasible nor fair. Can't believe I am saying this because many consider me a huge Xavier shill, but I'd rid my seats if substantially changed or if not co-located with the current people I sit near. Many of us hope Xavier comes to it's senses or that this a non-issue. Unfortunately we don't beleive either will be or is the case.

Pray for Xavier Father Hoff for they know not what they do.

[bjf123]

While I, and the people who sit around me, would like to keep out exact seats, we know that's not likely. However, we'd all like to have very similar seats. I'm in section 105 on the aisle. If I can't be on the aisle in that section, or whatever is directly across the court from 105 (104?), I'm not sure if I'll renew. If my best available selection is in the middle of a row behind the backboard, say sections 100 or 101, I'm not interested.


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[theleague]

I completely appreciate the investment of those who donated to the construction of Cintas and helped usher in a new era of Xavier basketball. I do not want those people to feel devalued or under appreciated.

The best analogy I can think of is ones house. You saved up money, put a nice down payment on it, and lived there perfectly comfortably for the past 15 years. You have no clue why no one will buy it when you put it on the market, it's perfect! The thing is, times have changed. Now people want granite, they want a wine bar, etc. Well, that's what you have now with Cintas. People want the clubs, the courtside seats, the premium seating. These are necessary changes that reflect the overall market, therefore making it more attractive to recruits/donors/revenue streams. At least that's how I would explain it to my kid....

[xeus]

We have two different clubs, we have premium seating, and we have one of the best arenas in college hoops, and definitely one of the best on the league. This whole move is to WIDEN a handful of seats? Please. Has that really been an issue? Have people called and said, "You know, I love the experience of a Xavier game from the 5th row of Section 110, but gosh, if only the seats were wider..."

Gimme a break. This is a silly move. Adding the seats above the student section is cool, and that doesn't require displacing an entire arena of season ticket holders. But uprooting the whole arena so a handful of fat cats can have more room for their fat asses just stinks. Would love to know which big donors are driving this...

[X-man]

We have two different clubs, we have premium seating, and we have one of the best arenas in college hoops, and definitely one of the best on the league. This whole move is to WIDEN a handful of seats? Please. Has that really been an issue? Have people called and said, "You know, I love the experience of a Xavier game from the 5th row of Section 110, but gosh, if only the seats were wider..."

Gimme a break. This is a silly move. Adding the seats above the student section is cool, and that doesn't require displacing an entire arena of season ticket holders. But uprooting the whole arena so a handful of fat cats can have more room for their fat asses just stinks. Would love to know which big donors are driving this...
The issue here is money. The first 5-6 rows of Sections 101-104 are going to be reworked into wider, and much more expensive, seating. I expect that many of the people currently there are going to want to move. Who do they displace? I understand the conundrum; I don't understand why all season ticketholders have to be reseated as a consequence of this change. One alternative would be to allow people currently in those seats to remain there for a temporary period long enough to allow them to move as tickets in less expensive seating opens up. Seats do open up, and it may take only one season for the correction to be made. There should also be a limited time period where the seat prices are kept low so that people wanting to move will move. As it stands now, it appears that all kinds of seats will open up because people like me and almost everyone I know in the same position as me are going to seriously reconsider whether they are going to keep their seats. This is a really really DUMB policy.

[xeus]

I'm in Section 206 too and my 16/17 seats went down as well!

This makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would they reduce prices for any existing season ticket holders?

[theleague]

I love Cintas as much as anyone, but you're delusional if you think it's one of the best in the nation. Very comparable to the above average arenas in the country, yes, but we also want to be proactive so that distinction doesn't slip. And yes, our premium seating sucks. Plastic seats with no cup holders are below average for the cost of the seat, even in Cincinnati.

[xeus]

I love Cintas as much as anyone, but you're delusional if you think it's one of the best in the nation. Very comparable to the above average arenas in the country, yes, but we also want to be proactive so that distinction doesn't slip. And yes, our premium seating sucks. Plastic seats with no cup holders are below average for the cost of the seat, even in Cincinnati.

Fine. I'm delusional. Whatever. It's a very very nice arena, is that better?

I'm a fan of cup holders, but that doesn't require a total renovation. Plastic seats are fine as far as I'm concerned, but if you want cushions, ok. Cushioned seats retain fart, but whatever. I just really don't think they need to be wider, which is what seems to the reason for the upheaval.

[XU 87]

Fine. I'm delusional. Whatever. It's a very very nice arena, is that better?

I'm a fan of cup holders, but that doesn't require a total renovation. Plastic seats are fine as far as I'm concerned, but if you want cushions, ok. Cushioned seats retain fart, but whatever. I just really don't think they need to be wider, which is what seems to the reason for the upheaval.

As my brother puts it, "These wider seats and other stuff are XU giving more stuff that people don't want, but charging a lot more for this unwanted stuff.

[theleague]

I would like upgraded club and restrooms for premium seating- wider seats isn't high on my list, but it is for some people. All this is standard at Paul Brown and Great American, let alone around the country. Premium seat holders at Cintas more than likely have premium seats at these stadiums, you have to meet expectations. And before you say these are pro teams, their "premium seating" is at the very low end on the professional level.

[Xavier]

Maybe premium seat holders don't post often on here, but I haven't seen anyone overly thrilled with the idea/process. (I am sure there are, though). Also, I didn't see a huge demand for things like this. Oh well, a lot of seat holders won't renew but they will still be bought. The real issue is if this pisses enough people off that they don't donate as much as they used too and I doubt that will happen.


It's also a joke to say whats going on is equivalent of building a new arena. Sounds like something the AD would say and everyone hearing it would know its BS. Well, almost everyone.

[blueblob06]

This makes absolutely no sense to me. Why would they reduce prices for any existing season ticket holders?

The Ticket Office called me (actually to tell me that b/c my wife is no longer enrolled in Grad school classes, our discount goes away, which was nice of them to alert me) and they said that the top part of the upper level corners went down in price slightly. By top part, I mean the seats that don't have to pay a donation as the first 8 or 10 rows require. The price decrease was for the section as a whole, whether you're renewing or a new season ticket holder.

I'm not sure why they'd lower them...The top of 206, 203, etc. do tend to have some empty spots when it's not a big game...maybe they're going for 103% capacity next year now that we have to top 101%.

[XU 87]

I would like upgraded club and restrooms for premium seating- wider seats isn't high on my list, but it is for some people. All this is standard at Paul Brown and Great American, let alone around the country. Premium seat holders at Cintas more than likely have premium seats at these stadiums, you have to meet expectations. And before you say these are pro teams, their "premium seating" is at the very low end on the professional level.

I am a premium seat holder, and I have absolutely no interest in wider seats. Then again, I am in superb shape.

[chico]

A little planning could have prevented this. My guess is they never polled the current seat holders who are affected by the new seats going in. Maybe some of them would not have renewed anyway (or perhaps gone to the balcony seats), meaning that there would be enough of the new lower seats to appease everyone being affected by the larger seats being installed.

I agree it's short sided, and that it's a money grab. I don't understand the new arena argument, either. This is not Yankee Stadium in the 1970's They're replacing some lower bowl seats with wider seats, and adding seats over the student section. There are a couple hundred ticket holders affected. Everyone else's seats - about 90% of the place - remain the same. But because these are the high end seats, they have to affect the thousands of other ticket holders who are happy with their seats.

Oh, and I'm a premium 1 seat holder, though not in as great a shape as 87.

[xu82]

The part that really surprises - and CONFUSES - me is some people saying their ticket prices went down. The whole thing sounds like an attempt to shuffle the deck and generate more money, but I didn't expect games to cost less for anyone. Maybe this is just to muddy the waters? I do love the idea of seats above the student section. I only make one game a year at most, but I do love that experience. It's an annual treat for me.

[xu82]

I am a premium seat holder, and I have absolutely no interest in wider seats. Then again, I am in superb shape.

Round is a great shape. A Classic even! But I am trying to avoid that shape.

[xeus]

I would like upgraded club and restrooms for premium seating- wider seats isn't high on my list, but it is for some people. All this is standard at Paul Brown and Great American, let alone around the country. Premium seat holders at Cintas more than likely have premium seats at these stadiums, you have to meet expectations. And before you say these are pro teams, their "premium seating" is at the very low end on the professional level.


What exactly are you looking for in an upgraded restroom? A bidet? An old black man with cologne samples and chewing gum? A glory hole?

[MADXSTER]

I would like someone to come stand and clap for me until Xavier makes a basket. This would be at the beginning of Both halves. Is that too much to ask for?

[xu82]

I would like someone to come stand and clap for me until Xavier makes a basket. This would be at the beginning of Both halves. Is that too much to ask for?

That's certainly not too much going to ask for. Your problem will be getting me to leave after I've clapped my hands raw to make you respectable. (If that's possible.)

[bjf123]

The part that really surprises - and CONFUSES - me is some people saying their ticket prices went down. The whole thing sounds like an attempt to shuffle the deck and generate more money, but I didn't expect games to cost less for anyone. Maybe this is just to muddy the waters? I do love the idea of seats above the student section. I only make one game a year at most, but I do love that experience. It's an annual treat for me.

I might have posted this earlier in the thread, but at one of the meetings they're hosting to go over the plans it was said that 49% of the seats will see an increase in price after the reseating and 47% will see a decrease. I might have that backwards. Regardless, those were the two percentages presented. My seats, assuming I am able to keep them, go down in price.

[Olsingledigit]

I might have posted this earlier in the thread, but at one of the meetings they're hosting to go over the plans it was said that 49% of the seats will see an increase in price after the reseating and 47% will see a decrease. I might have that backwards. Regardless, those were the two percentages presented. My seats, assuming I am able to keep them, go down in price.

The premium seat cost stayed the same. The season ticket price did go down, but likely because we either have fewer home games or different pricing per game than last year.

[xu82]

Can someone help me put all this in perspective? How much does a decent lower bowl season ticket cost? How about the upper bowl? How much is this changing? I'm not talking Jack Nicholson/Spike Lee seats, just ballpark average. I pay through the nose to get decent tix through Stubhub each year, but it's only one game so I'm going to pony up for good seats. I wouldn't pay that for every home game without a Lottery windfall.

[STL_XUfan]

Can someone help me put all this in perspective? How much does a decent lower bowl season ticket cost? How about the upper bowl? How much is this changing? I'm not talking Jack Nicholson/Spike Lee seats, just ballpark average. I pay through the nose to get decent tix through Stubhub each year, but it's only one game so I'm going to pony up for good seats. I wouldn't pay that for every home game without a Lottery windfall.

Sit 8 rows back in 210, $400 for the season.

[xu82]

Sit 8 rows back in 210, $400 for the season.

Thanks, pretty nice seats there I'd bet. I made a point of checking it out last year and was impressed with the view from the upper bowl. I'm glad I only get screwed annually by Stubhub. Still curious about cost in other areas.

[xeus]

LMGTFY:

Cintas Season Ticket Prices (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2016/3/31/2016_17_Cintas_Map_with_Prices_Website.pdf?id=7811 )

[xu82]

LMGTFY:

Cintas Season Ticket Prices (http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2016/3/31/2016_17_Cintas_Map_with_Prices_Website.pdf?id=7811 )

Thanks, that makes me feel a little better about what I've been paying. Again, as a once a year guy, cost is no big deal. Major props to all of you regulars who support the program. I hope it all works out after the changes.

[cheeba]

Two upgrades needed:

1) Bathroom planning was piss poor. Not enough urinals, a lot of dead space on walls that could house additional urinals.
2) Cup holders on seat back. Been to too many games and had drinks kicked over near me, on coat, etc.

[nuts4xu]

Two upgrades needed:

1) Bathroom planning was piss poor. Not enough urinals, a lot of dead space on walls that could house additional urinals.
2) Cup holders on seat back. Been to too many games and had drinks kicked over near me, on coat, etc.

Every season the Cintas has been open, they give a survey at the end of the season asking for feedback. Each and every season, my pops (who currently owns our seats) or I (when I had 2 of my own) would tell them they need more urinals in the mens bathroom. The arrangement in the one near section 104 is ridiculous. It's even more ridiculous that people line up single file...for EVERY place to piss in the bathroom. It isn't a line for each urinal or stall (like most places) people stop the line when they enter the "pissing room" of the bathroom, and wait for the next urinal or stall to come open. They could easily double the number of urnials in that bathroom, and virtually eliminate the lines that build up. It is a major pet peeve, inexpensive to fix, yet the plea falls on deaf ears.

[Cheesehead]

Two upgrades needed:

1) Bathroom planning was piss poor. Not enough urinals, a lot of dead space on walls that could house additional urinals.
2) Cup holders on seat back. Been to too many games and had drinks kicked over near me, on coat, etc.

I have not come across any male XU fan who understands the bathroom set-up on first floor. Piss poor planning!!!!

[Milhouse]

I second cupholders...I have to imagine its not an easy fix or they wouldve done it already.

[deepX]

I have not come across any male XU fan who understands the bathroom set-up on first floor. Piss poor planning!!!!

don't you mean "poor piss planning"