ANYONE but Wisconsin!!!

[xubrew]

So many spewing thoughts...

I would have rather played ANYONE but them. Seven seeds don't have high caliber wins against Michigan State, Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana on their profile. #7 seeds don't finish the year 11-1 in a power conference (going into the conference tournament). they got a #7 seed because of what they were in November and December, not because of how good they actually are now. I had Wiscy in my Final Four. Truth be told, I thought they'd beat us by more. When the brackets were announced, I was not happy. I actually didn't post much because I didn't want to go on those trademark rants about how I wish we weren't playing Wisconsin.

Had we lost to Nova, we drop to a 3 seed and play someone else. Pretty sure we should have been a 3 seed as it was. the committee really screwed us by giving us a 2.

Had Western Illinois not beaten Wiscy on the first night of the year, chances are they're not a #7 seed. I think Xavier should schedule Western Illinois, in a buy game, fill their locker room with dogshit, and then lock them in. Doing so would probably result in X having to forfeit and pay them more money. I'm actually okay with that right about now.

Had Pitt beaten Wisconsin, we win this one and probably the next one.

We had two late possessions where we came up empty. We score on one of them at the end we probably win. We got called for a phantom charge. which WAS a phantom charge. Had they not called it, chances are we hit the layup and go ahead by two. The problem is that Wisconsin still gets the ball with the same amount of time, and probably draws up and executes the exact same play, and ends up winning by 1 instead of by 3.

Xavier never applied full court pressure. I have no idea why. Wiscy didn't see much of it and from what I watched, wasn't particularly good against it when they did see it.

Northern Iowa had an epic meltdown. We had it on TV, but I completely missed it. I'm sure it was even worse and that they're feeling even worse. But, they'll be good again next year.

Xavier has had their share of good luck Twice they advanced to the Sweet Sixteen after benefiting from upsets in the Round of 64. They've beaten both a 15 and a 14 seed in the second round. This offset all of the good luck. I don't think they could have had worse luck on how the brackets played out. Again......ANYONE but Wisconsin!!!

When top ten teams play well for most of the game, they typically win. Xavier played well for most of the game, and probably would have won had they been playing virtually anyone else that wasn't a protected seed, and maybe some teams that were protected seeds. This is the best team Xavier has ever had, but it won't be remembered that way because of the early tournament loss. Not to repeat myself, but ironically, had they lost a few more games during the regular season, they probably get out of this round and perhaps even the next round.

Notre Dame scared me a lot less than Wisconsin. Had X won this one, I'm almost certain they win the next one.

I'm repeating myself. There is a reason for that. I don't really drink anymore. Last year after doing something entirely moronic (a multitude of things actually) I assessed that virtually every moronic thing I had done had involved drinking shitloads of alcohol. So, I quit in order to avoid feeling like a moron so much of the time. But, the exceptions were vacations, and the NCAAs if I were able to. I've been drinking. It was great seeing friends from X again. It sucks that we didn't win. It sucks to know that I won't be watching us play next week in the Elite Eight, which I'm certain we would have been playing in had we won tonight.

And Fuck Wisconsin.

Cincinnati sports teams are having their seasons ended in the most spectacular of fashions this 2016. First the Bengals lose to the Steelers in a way that I've never seen or heard of before. Then UC loses in a way I've never seen or heard of before. Then X loses to a team that they shouldn't have had to play on a buzzer beater. I'd like to think that life will eventually get more fair. Maybe. Probably. Some day.

[X Factor]

Give me a break. We have more talent across the board than that Wisconsin team. That Wisconsin team is average at best. High profile wins against MSU who lost to 15 seed Middle Tennesse St? High profile win against Iowa who Nova crushed by 20, but was up over 30 at one point? Ok.

Should've beaten them going away, up 8 with 5 minutes to play. I usually like your takes, but this one was weak.

[X-ceptional]

I get what you're saying, Brew, and I agree with some of it. However, the fact is every seed except for 16 won a game the first round. No matter where you're put, there is danger. Would you have still felt good if we fell to a 3 seed and had to play SFA? Would Ed have handled THAT on-the-ball pressure better than Wisky's?

The survive and advance tournament is a TERRIBLE way to determine the best team, but I wouldn't change it for anything. I believe we would have beaten Wisconsin in a series, but we only had one shot. Shit, if it wasn't Wisconsin in Round 2, it could have been Middle Tennessee in Round 1. This sucks.

[Caveat]

Their fans were annoying. Uniformly obese, and all with that annoying accent.

[xubrew]

I get what you're saying, Brew, and I agree with some of it. However, the fact is every seed except for 16 won a game the first round. No matter where you're put, there is danger. Would you have still felt good if we fell to a 3 seed and had to play SFA? Would Ed have handled THAT on-the-ball pressure better than Wisky's?

The survive and advance tournament is a TERRIBLE way to determine the best team, but I wouldn't change it for anything. I believe we would have beaten Wisconsin in a series, but we only had one shot. Shit, if it wasn't Wisconsin in Round 2, it could have been Middle Tennessee in Round 1. This sucks.

I'd have felt fine playing SFA before the game, but perhaps not after it. They didn't look good during the season. They got blasted by every decent team they played, which wasn't many, beat the four div2 teams they played, and then beat everyone in the Southland which is basically like beating div2 teams. I don't know where this came from in regards to SFA. I guess they got good in Southland play.

[xubrew]

Give me a break. We have more talent across the board than that Wisconsin team. That Wisconsin team is average at best. High profile wins against MSU who lost to 15 seed Middle Tennesse St? High profile win against Iowa who Nova crushed by 20, but was up over 30 at one point? Ok.

Should've beaten them going away, up 8 with 5 minutes to play. I usually like your takes, but this one was weak.

Well, I guess I just can't win. I said before the game I was worried. We lost. And on top of losing, my take on how I was worried about losing was weak. I guess some days really just aren't your day.

[X-ceptional]

I guess some days really just aren't your day.

Eh, no one here is having a good day, and games like that aren't generally foundations upon which a lot of agreement is built. Like I said, I get where you're coming from, but wishing we could have played anyone else is just kind of like salt in the wound--the possibilities are endless, and thinking about how X might have fared against different competition stings. Whatever, I can't sleep anyway after that loss, so I don't mind the extra conversation.

[Muskie34]

It's going to take a lot of time for me to get over this one. I love this team. The chemistry, the personalities, & and just flat out fun to watch. I'm going to miss Remy & especially Farr. Was at the game and I knew that ball was going in right after he shot it ... So my question is.

Why didn't we foul when we were up 3? I thought we have learned this. I'll take the foul shots and the ball back anyday. Given the shot was contested and it was deep but damn. Remy & Myles switched and right then I knew Koenig was firing right over Myles. The charging call is a joke. Not going to blame the game on the refs but they were bad both ways all game. Just venting.. Idk what to do. I can't sleep. This game is the only thing I can think about.

[X Factor]

There's a few of us still logged on at this ungodly hour, probably replaying the entire game in our heads.

I would've guarded Koenig so close when we were up three that he would've had to pass it or drive for a 2 pointer. At worst they make a 2 and we're still up 1 or we foul and send them to line.

Why am I still thinking about this game?

[GetUp5]

It's going to take a lot of time for me to get over this one. I love this team. The chemistry, the personalities, & and just flat out fun to watch. I'm going to miss Remy & especially Farr. Was at the game and I knew that ball was going in right after he shot it ... So my question is.

Why didn't we foul when we were up 3? I thought we have learned this. I'll take the foul shots and the ball back anyday. Given the shot was contested and it was deep but damn. Remy & Myles switched and right then I knew Koenig was firing right over Myles. The charging call is a joke. Not going to blame the game on the refs but they were bad both ways all game. Just venting.. Idk what to do. I can't sleep. This game is the only thing I can think about.

I wanted to think the same thing about fouling when we were up 3. But, with 11 seconds left, that's too much time. We foul, Koenig makes one or both and it's a 1 or 2 point game with us shooting free throws. Those free throws would not have been a given. With 11 seconds left, worst case SHOULD BE them making a 3, you missing the last shot and going to overtime. The odds of losing in regulation would have been a lot higher if we foul with 11 seconds left.

This sucks. Just flat out sucks. We couldn't have really fouled with 11 seconds left and that charge call looked like a charge in real time. Or at least what has been called a charge in CBB this year.

[GetUp5]

The one thing that really pissed me off was Myles guarding Koenig on the 3 that tied it. Without going back and looking, I don't know if it was because of a switch or what, but when I saw Myles on him after Remy had been shutting him down, my stomach started to sink immediately. I just KNEW he was going to pull that shot and was SCREAMING at Myles to close out. He should not have been able to get that shot off.

[XUMIOH12]

this is why i really wanted Pitt to win that game. Wisco was probably the strongest of all the 7/10 teams. Still should win that game though

[XU 87]

The one thing that really pissed me off was Myles guarding Koenig on the 3 that tied it. Without going back and looking, I don't know if it was because of a switch or what, but when I saw Myles on him after Remy had been shutting him down, my stomach started to sink immediately. I just KNEW he was going to pull that shot and was SCREAMING at Myles to close out. He should not have been able to get that shot off.

I think but am not positive there was a switch on a screen.

[scoscox]

They switched. you've gotta be aware that he's pulling that if you're guarding him. You've got to be able to get in the guy a little bit and make him uncomfortable. Remy should've sold out on the last shot as well. Hard to criticize Remy because he played so well and really wanted it.

[XUFan09]

They switched. you've gotta be aware that he's pulling that if you're guarding him. You've got to be able to get in the guy a little bit and make him uncomfortable. Remy should've sold out on the last shot as well. Hard to criticize Remy because he played so well and really wanted it.
What would Remy selling out involve? He guarded that last fadeaway corner three about as well as a person could without actually fouling the guy.

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[scoscox]

Either selling out to deny him the ball (preferably) or selling out to block the shot. He's going to turn and shoot in that situation, for once I'd like to see a defender just go block the ball in that situation. Like I said, Remy played great on D and on offense all night and I'm not criticizing him here, but in must shoot end of clock situations like that, just go block it.

[scoscox]

Easier said than done and obviously it could backfire if the guy is just looking for a lean in and foul, but as soon as you see he's looking to win it, take their heart and swat the hell out of it

[XUFan09]

Easier said than done and obviously it could backfire if the guy is just looking for a lean in and foul, but as soon as you see he's looking to win it, take their heart and swat the hell out of it
No. That's a high chance of sending a player to the line, needing only to make one of three free throws to win the game.

Let him take the prayer. In an empty gym, Koenig probably makes that shot 1 out of 10 times. Also, when did Remy suddenly become a shot blocker in any fashion?

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[XU 87]

Either selling out to deny him the ball (preferably) or selling out to block the shot. He's going to turn and shoot in that situation, for once I'd like to see a defender just go block the ball in that situation. Like I said, Remy played great on D and on offense all night and I'm not criticizing him here, but in must shoot end of clock situations like that, just go block it.

If he tries to block that shot, he's very likely to reach in and foul. Remy defended that shot very, very well.

'09 beat me to it.

[kyxu]

Defensive execution on the last two shots was not the problem. Koenig shot the game-tying three from Kansas City, and the game-winner was a prayer. Having a different guy guard on the game-tying shot changes nothing. You don't press up on him any more than we did, otherwise he drives around Myles, the D collapses, and he finds a guy who is even more wide open.

Our offense down the stretch really sunk us. Could not close the game out.

[scoscox]

But it wasn't an empty gym and he was feeling it and the sweet sixteen and end of his career were on the line. Remy's defense was textbook, but you needed more in that moment. One team was making winning plays and the other was not and it could not have been more frustrating to watch.

[scoscox]

Yes, but have a sense of the moment. In that moment, Koenig is taking that shot 100%. No one else on the team can shoot anyway (and he is more aware of that than anyone) if he does kick it out. You need to get up into him instead of letting him face up, break you down, get into his rhythm and let it fly. We could've given up a two anyway. Better offense could have bypassed the moment entirely though

[XUFan09]

Defensive execution on the last two shots was not the problem. Koenig shot the game-tying three from Kansas City, and the game-winner was a prayer. Having a different guy guard on the game-tying shot changes nothing. You don't press up on him any more than we did, otherwise he drives around Myles, the D collapses, and he finds a guy who is even more wide open.

Our offense down the stretch really sunk us. Could not close the game out.
Exactly. Let him take that deep pull-up three rather than finding a teammate for a catch-and-shoot three just behind the arc. Force him to the corner where he needs to fade away practically out of bounds in order to even get the shot off. The defense did exactly what it should in those last two possessions. People are engaging in after-the-fact reasoning that fails to account for the low probabilities involved and the inability of the players to see the future. I get being disappointed, but that doesn't justify grasping at something to blame in the last two possessions because you don't want to acknowledge that Xavier was unlucky at the end.

Xavier set themselves up for a situation where luck was a factor by not closing out the game. Once they were in that situation, though, they handled it about as well as they could.

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[XUFan09]

But it wasn't an empty gym and he was feeling it and the sweet sixteen and end of his career were on the line. Remy's defense was textbook, but you needed more in that moment. One team was making winning plays and the other was not and it could not have been more frustrating to watch.
Why do people act like something magical happens at the end of games when a player is having a good game? The only way I can figure it is that they forget the many, many failures of players in that moment, only remembering the successes.

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[scoscox]

Why do people act like something magical happens at the end of games when a player is having a good game? The only way I can figure it is that they forget the many, many failures of players in that moment, only remembering the successes.

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Guys get in the zone. Remy played great defense on the play, but just not quite enough to make him uncomfortable

[XUFan09]

Guys get in the zone. Remy played great defense on the play, but just not quite enough to make him uncomfortable
He had to shoot a fadeaway shot rather than going up straight. Assuming he wasn't just trying to look cool, I'd say that's out of his comfort zone. And again, a lot of guys who were in the zone missed shots like that in this tournament alone. Actually, a lot of them missed easier shots than that.

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[kyxu]

Guys get in the zone. Remy played great defense on the play, but just not quite enough to make him uncomfortable

Your rationale is the definition of hindsight thinking. Yes, if Xavier had somehow forced Koenig's mom to join a convent, he never would have been born, and Xavier's in the Sweet 16.

You're harping over strategies to defend the shots that did beat us, ignoring the fact that these likely would have led to higher-percentage opportunities that definitely would have defeated us.

Koenig was feeling it, sure. But his 3s up to his last two were set shots that were clean looks. His last two were the most difficult and well-defended options he had all night, but he made them.

If Xavier doesn't yack on 7 of its last 9 possessions or whatever it was, Koenig's not the Monday morning hero and whatever defense Myles Davis was playing doesn't really matter.

[scoscox]

These are all true. The pain was just immense.

[kyxu]

These are all true. The pain was just immense.

We feel ya, buddy. No one here is happy about Sunday.

[XUMIOH12]

We feel ya, buddy. No one here is happy about Sunday.

nope

[xubrew]

So many spewing thoughts...

I would have rather played ANYONE but them. Seven seeds don't have high caliber wins against Michigan State, Maryland, Iowa, and Indiana on their profile. #7 seeds don't finish the year 11-1 in a power conference (going into the conference tournament). they got a #7 seed because of what they were in November and December, not because of how good they actually are now. I had Wiscy in my Final Four. Truth be told, I thought they'd beat us by more. When the brackets were announced, I was not happy. I actually didn't post much because I didn't want to go on those trademark rants about how I wish we weren't playing Wisconsin.

Had we lost to Nova, we drop to a 3 seed and play someone else. Pretty sure we should have been a 3 seed as it was. the committee really screwed us by giving us a 2.

Had Western Illinois not beaten Wiscy on the first night of the year, chances are they're not a #7 seed. I think Xavier should schedule Western Illinois, in a buy game, fill their locker room with dogshit, and then lock them in. Doing so would probably result in X having to forfeit and pay them more money. I'm actually okay with that right about now.

Had Pitt beaten Wisconsin, we win this one and probably the next one.

We had two late possessions where we came up empty. We score on one of them at the end we probably win. We got called for a phantom charge. which WAS a phantom charge. Had they not called it, chances are we hit the layup and go ahead by two. The problem is that Wisconsin still gets the ball with the same amount of time, and probably draws up and executes the exact same play, and ends up winning by 1 instead of by 3.

Xavier never applied full court pressure. I have no idea why. Wiscy didn't see much of it and from what I watched, wasn't particularly good against it when they did see it.

Northern Iowa had an epic meltdown. We had it on TV, but I completely missed it. I'm sure it was even worse and that they're feeling even worse. But, they'll be good again next year.

Xavier has had their share of good luck Twice they advanced to the Sweet Sixteen after benefiting from upsets in the Round of 64. They've beaten both a 15 and a 14 seed in the second round. This offset all of the good luck. I don't think they could have had worse luck on how the brackets played out. Again......ANYONE but Wisconsin!!!

When top ten teams play well for most of the game, they typically win. Xavier played well for most of the game, and probably would have won had they been playing virtually anyone else that wasn't a protected seed, and maybe some teams that were protected seeds. This is the best team Xavier has ever had, but it won't be remembered that way because of the early tournament loss. Not to repeat myself, but ironically, had they lost a few more games during the regular season, they probably get out of this round and perhaps even the next round.

Notre Dame scared me a lot less than Wisconsin. Had X won this one, I'm almost certain they win the next one.

I'm repeating myself. There is a reason for that. I don't really drink anymore. Last year after doing something entirely moronic (a multitude of things actually) I assessed that virtually every moronic thing I had done had involved drinking shitloads of alcohol. So, I quit in order to avoid feeling like a moron so much of the time. But, the exceptions were vacations, and the NCAAs if I were able to. I've been drinking. It was great seeing friends from X again. It sucks that we didn't win. It sucks to know that I won't be watching us play next week in the Elite Eight, which I'm certain we would have been playing in had we won tonight.

And Fuck Wisconsin.

Cincinnati sports teams are having their seasons ended in the most spectacular of fashions this 2016. First the Bengals lose to the Steelers in a way that I've never seen or heard of before. Then UC loses in a way I've never seen or heard of before. Then X loses to a team that they shouldn't have had to play on a buzzer beater. I'd like to think that life will eventually get more fair. Maybe. Probably. Some day.


And....this is why you shouldn't drink and post. Although, at the very least, I think some of it made a little bit of sense.