XAVIER vs WISCONSIN

[X Factor]

Wisconsin was a terrible 7 seed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We couldn't beat them!!! Gave up a 9 point lead in the second half!!!

[X-ceptional]

Where was Farr?

[boozehound]

This is why Freshman PG's are a problem in the tournament.

[atljar]

Why the fuck didn't we foul up by three. Didn't we learn that lesson 10 years ago

[XfansinKy]

Yea why let our big boys who got us here play when you have a freshman PG.

[letskeepitreal]

Ease up on Sumner. That was a marginal call at best and that was a big time shot by Koenig with Abel all over him.

[xufan2020]

Where was James Farr though?

[GreatWhiteNorth]

BIG, BIG waste for this season! Not even a Sweet 16. Sub-par performance tonight. I feel bad for the seniors.

[Roach]

Where was Farr?

He was on the goddamn bench because Mack coached like shit tonight.

[mistabeecee41]

Not a wasted season, tough break

this is the definition of a wasted season. talks of a national championship and we pathetically bow out to a team like this.

[XfansinKy]

What a waste of hope for this year.

[GoMuskies]

Ease up on Sumner. That was a marginal call at best and that was a big time shot by Koenig with Abel all over him.

Sumner was bad all game, though. If one is being kind.

[xu82]

Ed has been forcing stuff for a few games, this was a painful lesson. Next year will be a huge step up. Ugh....

[GoMuskies]

Where was James Farr though?

And JP?

[xufan2020]

Made great strides, oh well. Maybe next season

[X Factor]

Nothing is gauranteed in the NCAA tournament. Looks like '08 is still the best Xavier team.

[muethibp]

You had to assume that eventually having Chris Mack in charge would be our undoing. And so it was.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Sumner shouldn't have had the ball. He had an awful game. Get the ball in your seniors hands. This loss is on Mack for poor coaching IMHO. Just awful way to lose.

[Roach]

Everyone is giving Ed a hard time, and on some level it's fair. He didn't play well and forced a lot of shots. Mack, though, inexplicably kept our bigs on the bench, especially Farr, while Wisconsin made our interior defense look like a junior high B-team. I just don't understand it all.

[Strange Brew]

Ease up on Sumner. That was a marginal call at best and that was a big time shot by Koenig with Abel all over him.

Marginal in that situation is being way to generous to the ref. Oh, and Ed hit the shot. Should've been a no call. Total BS.

[BMoreX]

this was the year

[X Factor]

You had to assume that eventually having Chris Mack in charge would be our undoing. And so it was.

Put the pipe down!!

[XfansinKy]

No JP. No Farr. Nope. It's Ed's team. Fuk me man.

[letskeepitreal]

Should have gone deeper but proud of how our guys performed this year. We're a young team and will reload. Too long until November though.

[X Factor]

How many minutes did Farr play? This was his last college game of his career!!! Did he even play in the second half????

[xufan2020]

Should have gone deeper but proud of how our guys performed this year. We're a young team and will reload. Too long until November though.
Thanks for having some reason.

[Roach]

How many minutes did Farr play? This was his last college game of his career!!! Did he even play in the second half????

Barely. Maybe 5 minutes.

[mistabeecee41]

Regardless of the charge. Ed went WAY too soon. If you're making that move, the ball should go up with 2 seconds left.

[xavierj]

Yeah i thought just foul and make them foul xavier on the other end. But the guy hit two tough shots. Xavier choked down the stretch and should have closed them out.

[X Factor]

Now I know what Villanova felt like the past couple years.

[xu82]

Charge by Ed was killer.

[Porkopolis]

Just an awful way to end a wonderful year. So much potential left unrealized.

[paulxu]

I think this is the first time all year that we led at half, and lost the game.

[HenryMuto]

What hurt so much about the charge was it stopped the clock if he just shoots it there the clock runs out basically if he misses.

Still hard to believe X lost that game. What a horrible horrible tournament this has been.

[X-ceptional]

I think this is the first time all year that we led at half, and lost the game.

Yep, 26-1

[XfansinKy]

Ohh man this one hurts. Not Mack's fault. It just hurts. Hurts watching this freshman PG try n take over. I'm sure he feels worse. This was our year man.

[Roach]

Farr had 2 points and 1 rebound in maybe 10 minutes of play. Chris Mack - WHAT. THE. FUCK?

[Masterofreality]

We stunk it up. Where was James Farr in this game? There were a few on this team that played absolutely terrible and somehow were left in while others were left on the bench. I'll leave it to you to figure out who I'm talking about.

Some people had better stand on the foul line and shoot 100 free throws a day in the summer. We missed 7 free throws- 4 by one guy. Disgusting.

Just disappointing. That is all.

[paulxu]

Well, Jalen promised a FF. So I guess he'll be back.

[novachap]

Now I know what Villanova felt like the past couple years.

This... damn. Did not see this coming. Too good a team to go down like this. Feel for you guys.

[GoMuskies]

Farr had 2 points and 1 rebound in maybe 10 minutes of play. Chris Mack - WHAT. THE. FUCK?

In the lead in to the game, Farr was sitting on the press table with a trainer working on his leg. Maybe he was hurt?

[XMuskieFTW]

This is beyond devastating. Ugh.

[XUFan09]

Farr had 2 points and 1 rebound in maybe 10 minutes of play. Chris Mack - WHAT. THE. FUCK?
Farr could not guard Happ at all. Reynolds could marginally guard him.

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[XfansinKy]

Did coach Mack maybe get caught up in the game? WTF? I'm glad he's our coach but wtf?

[letskeepitreal]

I do question though the absence of Farr and Macura at the end of the game. I think it would have given us more of the boards and tougher defensively

[boozehound]

Ohh man this one hurts. Not Mack's fault. It just hurts. Hurts watching this freshman PG try n take over. I'm sure he feels worse. This was our year man.

I guess it wasn't our year. Guard play rules in the tournament, and we got very shitty overall play from our guards. Having a Freshman PG is a HUGE liability, IMHO. I was always concerned that would bite us in the tourney, and it did. Ed has tons of potential though, and I expect to have some more very good teams in future years.

[nasdadjr]

This is the epitome of being a Cincinnati sports team fan. What did Cincinnati do to deserve reds bengals Bearcats and muskies chokes year after year?

[Roach]

Farr could not guard Happ at all. Reynolds could marginally guard him.

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We should have had them both in with Reynolds covering Happ. We needed better interior defense and rebounding. It's nonsensical. Mack screwed up.

[XfansinKy]

We stunk it up. Where was James Farr in this game? There were a few on this team that played absolutely terrible and somehow were left in while others were left on the bench. I'll leave it to you to figure out who I'm talking about.

Some people had better stand on the foul line and shoot 100 free throws a day in the summer. We missed 7 free throws- 4 by one guy. Disgusting.

Just disappointing. That is all.
You mean 100 a day this Sumner.

[xu82]

I guess it wasn't our year. Guard play rules in the tournament, and we got very shitty overall play from our guards. Having a Freshman PG is a HUGE liability, IMHO. I was always concerned that would bite us in the tourney, and it did. Ed has tons of potential though, and I expect to have some more very good teams in future years.

Amen.

[mistabeecee41]

No composure down the stretch. Ed's wild baseline drive, Tre's one footed step back 15 footer, Remy's contested 3 with 20 left on the shot clock. Just god awful coaching and decision making,

[X Factor]

I remember Myles being really bad last year in the NCAA tournament too...am I right on that?

[KabeX]

Not sure which loss is more heartbreaking - No. Iowa fans feeling now too

[Caveat]

I'm numb, yet want to punch something.

[X Factor]

One of our biggest weaknesses all year has been our interior defense. Reynolds, Farr, and O'Mara just don't play very good defense in the post. We have no weakside help either on the interior.

[Xavier_Musketeers]

How many more days til next season? I'm already done with this year. F Koenig

[KabeX]

Well we'll see how Ed responds and hopefully grows from this. Not all on him by any means but you just gotta have those Tu like steel balls. I think we're going to be very good next season - def to 20 maybe top 10 pre-season. Nonetheless disappointment is an understatement.

[xavierj]

We should have had them both in with Reynolds covering Happ. We needed better interior defense and rebounding. It's nonsensical. Mack screwed up.

The only thing i can say to this is Mack didnt miss layups and give up offensive rebounds. Maybe could have pulled some different strings but the offensive rebounds given up, turnovers and missed layups cost Xavier the game.

[Strange Brew]

This reminds me of the '03 loss to Maryland during DFW's senior year. Second round, didn't see it coming. On a positive note, we all know what happened the next year.

X could be very good next year, especially if Jalen comes back.

[boozehound]

I remember Myles being really bad last year in the NCAA tournament too...am I right on that?

I think you are right. Myles is streaky. Great coaching job by Mack this year. This team had some major holes. When our shooters were on, those deficiencies generally got covered up, but when Blueitt and Davis weren't hitting shots, we struggle to score. There really isn't even one guard on this team who is a real threat to take the ball to the rack and finish. I think Ed will get there, but he definitely isn't now, and nobody else has the handle and quickness to do it.

[Roach]

One of our biggest weaknesses all year has been our interior defense. Reynolds, Farr, and O'Mara just don't play very good defense in the post. We have no weakside help either on the interior.

Against a team like Wisconsin, only keeping one big man in the game is a recipe for disaster. Combine that with Ed's poor play, and you have a loss. I still put this one on Mack. If I were James Farr, I would be very, very bitter right now.

[xu82]

So I guess Jalen is coming back to fulfill his promise.

Or maybe not. Sad ending for some guys. Something to build on for others. Ugh.....

[NY44]

Probably the hardest part is that Wisconsin did not play particularly well. We handle this team with ease 9/10 with a better showing.

[Bearcat_Bounce]

Are the water fountains in tact?

[MHettel]

So, was it a charge or not? Didn't look like one from about 50 feet away. I did see a serious mugging on the possession before that, but alas no call there

[LadyMuskie]

Look at the bright side. . .they lost this game as a team! From the coaches to the players, it was all around bad from start to finish, but at least they did it together as one.

[X-ceptional]

Per CBS box score, 13 minutes from Farr in his last game wearing the X.

[GoMuskies]

Probably the hardest part is that Wisconsin did not play particularly well. We handle this team with ease 9/10 with a better showing.

Wisconsin sucks. Notre Dame will drill them.

[cheeba]

Macura should have been in the game last few minutes when Wisconsin went on the run to provide some help on offense and to try to draw a foul.

[X-ceptional]

So, was it a charge or not? Didn't look like one from about 50 feet away. I did see a serious mugging on the possession before that, but alas no call there

Thought dude was sliding... minimal contact...

Either way, I won't go back and watch it again.

[Roach]

So, was it a charge or not? Didn't look like one from about 50 feet away. I did see a serious mugging on the possession before that, but alas no call there

It was NOT a fucking charge ... at all.

Wisconsin wouldn't have hit a buzzer-beater if not for this egregious flop (http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/wisconsin-buzzer-beater-flop-sweet-16-xavier-032016)

[GoMuskies]

Look at the bright side. . .they lost this game as a team! From the coaches to the players, it was all around bad from start to finish, but at least they did it together as one.
Fans, too, as I understand we didn't show well in St. Looey.

[GuyFawkes38]

Ugh. Brutal. Lots to be thankful for the year though. Great memories from the victories over Mich, UD, Villanova, UC. Can't wait until next year.

[Strange Brew]

Thought dude was sliding... minimal contact...

Either way, I won't go back and watch it again.

The painful part of it is Ed hit the shot. Ugh.

[vee4xu]

Sumner needed to be on the bench over the last 4 minutes of the game. That's on Mack.

They got outscored 18-5 over the last 3:30 of the game and that's on all the players.

So, plenty of blame to go around.

Bottom line: X had a very good team, but they weren't going to win a NC this year. Too many times when they hit a wall on the road. Creighton, Villanova, Seton Hall twice and tonight.

Congratulations to Coach Mack and the team on a great year. But, the returnees have 8 months of remembering that shot to motivate them.

Go X!

[Masterofreality]

With 11 seconds to go, it's about offense. JP Macura should have been in the game. I want Myles Davis, JP, Trevon Jalen and J Farr in the game as an extra rebounder. Bad bad decision on lineups- especially leaving a guy in there who has played scared and lousy the whole weekend.

Second guess I know, but I was screaming at the TV all night on the poor decision making. The big stage was not handled well by some.

[Roach]

Per CBS box score, 13 minutes from Farr in his last game wearing the X.

Inexcusable, Chris Mack.

[XfansinKy]

Damn I feel bad for James after such improvement. Oh man to have to sit the pine and watch a freshman do that. Oh this is gonna hurt for a looooong time.

[bigkatxu]

Per CBS box score, 13 minutes from Farr in his last game wearing the X.

Someone smarter than me needs to explain that one. That's how it ends for James? 13 minutes??!? Deserved much better. What a career he had at X. Really enjoyed watching him progress and improve.

Mack needs to answer for that, if nothing else

[Jesuit4Life]

Always crushing when the season ends and this one will no doubt sting for a while. I will always love this team though.

Thank you James, Remy, and Kevin. Keep your head up, Ed.

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[SkyWalker]

I gotta put this one on Mack. When was the last time we scored in this game. Seems like X call three time outs in the last 90 seconds or so to set something up and we get a 15 footer by Trevon, a three pointer by Abel, and a charge by Sumner. Throw in the fact that Farr and JP don't play much and you we up on the short end. MAck has been great all year with plays out of time outs, not tonight.

[XU 87]

Against a team like Wisconsin, only keeping one big man in the game is a recipe for disaster. Combine that with Ed's poor play, and you have a loss. I still put this one on Mack. If I were James Farr, I would be very, very bitter right now.

Yea, it was Mack's fault that they hit a contested three, Sumner got called on a terrible charge call, and then they threw in another three.

He should have coached better.

[muethibp]

When you have the ball in a tie game with 10 seconds left, and you're objectively the way better team, the only thing that should be said in the huddle is to put a shot up with 1 second on the clock - it either goes in or you win in OT.

It's a pure coaching failure that anything but the above happened.

[Roach]

Mack needs to answer for that, if nothing else

THIS. Absolutely.

[Roach]

Yea, it was Mack's fault that they hit a contested three, Sumner got called on a terrible charge call, and then they threw in another three.

He should have coached better.

Right, dipshit, because I was confining my assessment to the last 30 seconds. #sarcasm

[Xavier_Musketeers]

Probably the only time we ever will be on Sportscenter

[Caveat]

If not this year, when?

[XU 87]

Right, dipshit, because I was confining my assessment to the last 30 seconds. #sarcasm

You're a typical dumbass who thinks when the team loses it's the coach's fault.

[Xpectations]

Yea, it was Mack's fault that they hit a contested three, Sumner got called on a terrible charge call, and then they threw in another three.

He should have coached better.

This

[Xpectations]

You're a typical dumbass who thinks when the team loses it's the coach's fault.

And this

[vee4xu]

A few times when Ed was at the foul line, his eyes had fright in them. The stage was too big for him. Granted, he's a 19 year old kid, but tonight the whole scene was too much for him. Hopefully, he'll grow from it.

[XU 87]

When you have the ball in a tie game with 10 seconds left, and you're objectively the way better team, the only thing that should be said in the huddle is to put a shot up with 1 second on the clock - it either goes in or you win in OT.

It's a pure coaching failure that anything but the above happened.

He got fouled and the shot probably would have gone up with 2-3 seconds to go in the game had he not been fouled. You can't really design a decent play that gets shot with exactly one second left on the clock.

[Roach]

You're a typical dumbass who thinks when the team loses it's the coach's fault.

You're a typical dumbass who comes up with whatever response is necessary to avoid looking like an idiot. I have maybe blamed Chris Mack for one other loss ever (I believe the first Seton Hall loss ... can't recall), but I rarely, RARELY blame the coach. But go ahead and throw the accusation out if it's the most reasonable counter argument that you can concoct.

[Roach]

And again, James Farr - 13 MINUTES.

[MADXSTER]

I tip my hat to Wisconsin. They made tough shots at the end of the game. That's what you're supposed to do and that's what they did.

[Muncie]

Did coach Mack maybe get caught up in the game? WTF? I'm glad he's our coach but wtf?

I guarantee Farr was hurt.

[X Factor]

You're a typical dumbass who thinks when the team loses it's the coach's fault.

Whatever. You're the guy who thinks it's never ok to question a coach. You're the guy who thinks they're always right.

Everyone hurts right now. Let people express their thoughts without being a dick.

[boozehound]

I guarantee Farr was hurt.

That's my guess as well.

[X-ceptional]

Everything sucks right now.

[XU 87]

You're a typical dumbass who comes up with whatever response is necessary to avoid looking like an idiot. I have maybe blamed Chris Mack for one other loss ever (I believe the first Seton Hall loss ... can't recall), but I rarely, RARELY blame the coach. But go ahead and throw the accusation out if it's the most reasonable counter argument that you can concoct.

My counter is that you're a dumbass who doesn't understand what he's watching other than the final score. Team loses= coach blew it.

[muethibp]

He got fouled and the shot probably would have gone up with 2-3 seconds to go in the game had he not been fouled. You can't really design a decent play that gets shot with exactly one second left on the clock.

I respect you but you're an eternal contrarian and Mack apologist on these boards. Whatever his virtues may be, Mack was a mess tonight. With some perspective, you may yet agree.

[X Factor]

My counter is that you're a dumbass who doesn't understand what he's watching other than the final score. Team loses= coach blew it.

Team loses = sometimes coach didn't coach well. Think Mack could've done some things better tonight.

[Porkopolis]

I guarantee Farr was hurt.

That is the only explanation that makes sense. If he was, there is no way the staff would have let it be known.

[XU 87]

Whatever. You're the guy who thinks it's never ok to question a coach. You're the guy who thinks they're always right.

Everyone hurts right now. Let people express their thoughts without being a dick.

I think people can get through a loss without saying stupid stuff, like your post.

[drudy23]

Jimmy Farr is our MVP...playing him 13 minutes is beyond mind boggling.

[XU 87]

I respect you but you're an eternal contrarian and Mack apologist on these boards. Whatever his virtues may be, Mack was a mess tonight. With some perspective, you may yet agree.

They ran an isolation play to Sumner. That was the same play they ran the last time down the court where Sumner got a layup. No problem with the play at the end of the game. And I think Sumner got fouled and should have been at the free throw line.

[Roach]

I think people can get through a loss without saying stupid stuff, like your post.

You are constantly a dickhead to anyone who disagrees with you.

[XU 87]

You are constantly a dickhead to anyone who disagrees with you.

I don't like how you resort to foul language when someone disagrees with you. Garbage mouth.

[X Factor]

I think people can get through a loss without saying stupid stuff, like your post.

You're saying some pretty stupid stuff, imo.

[paulxu]

Tre had an off night for him. 3-11 is well under his 43% average.
Tough night all around for us.
Hurts like hell after the great season, ranking and seeding.
Will be a long off season this year.

[X Factor]

I don't like how you resort to foul language when someone disagrees with you. Garbage mouth.

Says the guy who's been calling people dumbass.

[Roach]

I don't like how you resort to foul language when someone disagrees with you. Garbage mouth.

Ok, fine, here you go - "You are constantly inconsiderate and demeaning to anyone who disagrees with you."

Is that better? No matter how it's phrased, it's true.

[Masterofreality]

They ran an isolation play to Sumner. That was the same play they ran the last time down the court where Sumner got a layup. No problem with the play at the end of the game. And I think Sumner got fouled and should have been a the free throw line.

No it was not the same play and Ed is a different player on the left side of the court where he scored than the right side where he charged.
Bad set up, bad personnel, and a bad job of coaching at the end. We had more weapons, but some of them weren't even on the court. Give Koenig all the credit for making tough shots, but X gave this one away.

Gotta call it like I see it.

[Strange Brew]

Says the guy who's been calling people dumbass.

Alright, alright, let's not get caught up in who killed who....

2034

[drudy23]

1. It was a charge. Sumner was out of control most of the game. He made very few good decisions. He kicked out on one drive where Bleuitt drains a 3. He needs to do more of that. If there is a jump for him to make as a point guard, this is it. These type of out of control plays, especially, after we are on a run, are complete rally killers. I can promise they discussed the possibility of an isolation for sumner in the Wisconsin huddle and the possibility of taking a charge.
2. If jimmy Farr wasn't hurt, playing him 13 minutes is the worst decision of the night.
3. What happened to Myles Davis the last 3 weeks.
4. Make your damn lay ups...make ur damn free throws.
5. I think Mack will be thinking about this one for a long time.

[SkyWalker]

1. It was a charge. Sumner was out of control most of the game. He made very few good decisions. He kicked out on one drive where Bleuitt drains a 3. He needs to do more of that. If there is a jump for him to make as a point guard, this is it. These type of out of control plays, especially, after we are on a run, are complete rally killers. I can promise they discussed the possibility of an isolation for sumner in the Wisconsin huddle and the possibility of taking a charge.
2. If jimmy Farr wasn't hurt, playing him 13 minutes is the worst decision of the night.
3. What happened to Myles Davis the last 3 weeks.
4. Make your damn lay ups...make ur damn free throws.
5. I think Mack will be thinking about this one for a long time.

Touche'

[Roach]

Alright, alright, let's not get caught up in who killed who....

2034

Come on, Brew. At a time like this, that Monty Python quote is like throwing water on an open fire. The levity kills the anger. I wanted someone to bark at, and you ruined it for me.

[GoMuskies]

Mack's daughters have nice shooting form. Searching for positives...

[mistabeecee41]

Mack's daughters have nice shooting form. Searching for positives...

the crying MJ/Bill Murray photoshops are enjoyable.

[XfansinKy]

Well the fans are back at each other's throats. It's officially over I guess.

[XU 87]

1. It was a charge.

I thought the guy jumped in front of Sumner and was moving. What's your take on it?

[Roach]

I thought the guy jumped in front of Sumner and was moving. What's your take on it?

You just disagreed with drudy without being demeaning. This is a good start. There is hope for you yet.

[Caveat]

Every Wisconsin fan is a solid 20 pounds overweight. It's scary how uniformly unhealthy their fanbase looks.

[GoMuskies]

Whether it's actually a charge or not, the defense gets that call 99 times out of 100. The other time is when Duke is on offense.

[drudy23]

I thought the guy jumped in front of Sumner and was moving. What's your take on it?

I think he was anticipating exactly what he thought was going to happen. I knew the second the whistle blew they were going to call a charge, as did everyone else watching the game.

[Roach]

Every Wisconsin fan is a solid 20 pounds overweight. It's scary how uniformly unhealthy their fanbase looks.

It's all that cheese. Terribly unhealthy.

[Strange Brew]

Whether it's actually a charge or not, the defense gets that call 99 times out of 100. The other time is when Duke is on offense.

It's funny 'cause it's true. Thanks for the laugh.

[SemajParlor]

It was a charge. Sumner, like most of the game, was out of control.

[xu82]

Mack's daughters have nice shooting form. Searching for positives...

That's a billion dollar savings, as I think that's what we paid for our son's lessons. Home schooled hoops, the best kind.

I wasn't cocky, but I didn't expect this. The better team lost.


Some time in the last few weeks Ed started trying to take on too much. It cot us this game. He will learn and grow as a player.

[Cheesehead]

It was a charge. Sumner, like most of the game, was out of control.

Ed was borderline awful for most of the night. Not a good tournament for him and guards are the story in March.

[XU 87]

You just disagreed with drudy without being demeaning. This is a good start. There is hope for you yet.

I am sorry that I hurt your feelings.

[TUclutch]

Watched the replay again. 100% NOT a charge. Dude was falling over before there was ever contact

[drudy23]

We're not going to argue the refs call...I think most would agree there was really no issue with the call.

[Roach]

I think he was anticipating exactly what he thought was going to happen. I knew the second the whistle blew they were going to call a charge, as did everyone else watching the game.

Yeah, I knew it was coming too after I heard the whistle. It's a tough call to make on the fly, as even the most egregious flop can look like a foul at first blush. That said, it was an acting job. After reading the Fox Sports article with photographic and video evidence, I'm confident it was an impressive flop. Because it's generally an easy call to screw up, I don't like the whistle being blown for a charge in the closing seconds unless it's obviously, certifiably a charge. This is clearly not one of those cases.

Here's the link to the Fox Sports article for those who didn't see it several pages back - Wisconsin wouldn't have hit a buzzer-beater if not for this egregious flop (http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/wisconsin-buzzer-beater-flop-sweet-16-xavier-032016)

[Cheesehead]

1. It was a charge. Sumner was out of control most of the game. He made very few good decisions. He kicked out on one drive where Bleuitt drains a 3. He needs to do more of that. If there is a jump for him to make as a point guard, this is it. These type of out of control plays, especially, after we are on a run, are complete rally killers. I can promise they discussed the possibility of an isolation for sumner in the Wisconsin huddle and the possibility of taking a charge.
2. If jimmy Farr wasn't hurt, playing him 13 minutes is the worst decision of the night.
3. What happened to Myles Davis the last 3 weeks.
4. Make your damn lay ups...make ur damn free throws.
5. I think Mack will be thinking about this one for a long time.

Agreed. Also agree with MOR. X pissed this away.

[GoMuskies]

Watched the replay again. 100% NOT a charge. Dude was falling over before there was ever contact

Well, if you're going to analyze thst closely, how many of the 4 offensive fouls JP drew do you think were ACTUALLY offensive fouls?

[ford]

The inbounder traveled on the last play too. So there's that.

Terribly coached and played game. Blueitt and Farr invisible. So many missed layups. I hope Farr was hurt, otherwise loss is entirely on Mack. Hope Reynolds comes back so we have a shot at final four. Getting a top 2 seed will be key again.

[Strange Brew]

Watched the replay again. 100% NOT a charge. Dude was falling over before there was ever contact

Yep, but is was called. It's up there with the T not called on Odin, the BS two quickies on A, Myles and on and on and on...

[Roach]

I am sorry that I hurt your feelings.

This is a step backwards. Please try again. And no, you didn't hurt my feelings. You simply annoy me. You're a gadfly.

[XMuskieFTW]

Really wish we would've played in more close games throughout the season. We hadn't really been in many late game situations like that all year. May have cost us.

[xavbball]

So what if it wasn't a charge? Wisconsin went on a run to end the game and we didn't respond. End of story folks.

[Strange Brew]

So what if it wasn't a charge? Wisconsin went on a run to end the game and we didn't respond. End of story folks.

Ed responded with a nice jumper to go ahead at the end BUT was called for a charge so......

[LadyMuskie]

For me, had we played better the first 39 minutes 49 seconds of the game, we wouldn't be forced to analyze the complete disaster that was the last 11 seconds. Like UC's fail, don't leave the game open like that at the end. We had plenty of opportunities to put this sub-par Wisconsin team away tonight, and we didn't take advantage of any of them. This was a total team failure of a game, and no one is to blame except us.

[Juice]

Yeah, I knew it was coming too after I heard the whistle. It's a tough call to make on the fly, as even the most egregious flop can look like a foul at first blush. That said, it was an acting job. After reading the Fox Sports article with photographic and video evidence, I'm confident it was an impressive flop. Because it's generally an easy call to screw up, I don't like the whistle being blown for a charge in the closing seconds unless it was obviously, certifiably a charge. This is clearly not one of those cases.

Here's the link to the Fox Sports article for those who didn't see it several pages back - Wisconsin wouldn't have hit a buzzer-beater if not for this egregious flop (http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/wisconsin-buzzer-beater-flop-sweet-16-xavier-032016)

Who was the ref that made that shit call? His name is going to join Cahill's on my list.

[Caveat]

I found a 7-11 and bought beer to drink in my hotel room.

Miller Lite.

Because screw this city and everything in it.

[TUclutch]

We're not going to argue the refs call...I think most would agree there was really no issue with the call.

most are saying it was the wrong call?

[Roach]

I found a 7-11 and bought beer to drink in my hotel room.

Miller Lite.

Because screw this city and everything in it.

If I'm buying cheap beer, it's always Miller Light, regardless of the city I'm in. But wait a sec ... Miller is a Wisconsin staple. Maybe I'd buy Coors tonight if I were in St. Louis ...

[X Factor]

X was up 8 with 5 minutes to go!!! We had no one who could make a clutch shot or get a rebound, make a play on defense, etc.

We gave that game away cause we couldn't make the plays necessary. We had no leader out there tonight.

[waggy]

I disagreed with a number of calls, or should I say non-calls, but the charge against Sumner is not one of them.

Sad part is he could've went straight up with 1 second left and the midget guarding him would've had no chance.

[drudy23]

most are saying it was the wrong call?

Not most...a few.

[X-ceptional]

We had no leader out there tonight.

This. Tu Holloway ain't walking through that door. The guys have to figure it out this off season.

[Xpectations]

March amplifies everything. Except perspective.

[Caveat]

March amplifies everything. Except perspective.

What's the perspective? One of the best teams in program history just got dumped in the first weekend of the tournament. That's all the perspective you need on this year, IMO.

[X-ceptional]

March amplifies everything. Except perspective.

When you're right, you're right. It was a good season no doubt... win-or-go-home tourneys are exciting as hell, but they make for terrible endings to otherwise enjoyable seasons. This loss is the headline now.

[paulxu]

Here's some perspective. The #2 ranked team in the country, MSU, lost in the first game to Middle Tennessee State.

We didn't play up to our potential, I agree. We didn't play like we did against Nova, and haven't really since that game.

But the NCAA's are f-ing crazy this year. I'm dying here after this game. Screw it all.

[XfansinKy]

I think it hurts worse being a 2 seed, bowing out to who we did, and Big Game James watching almost the entire game. That's what's going to take November so long to get here for me. Hey at least Marvin Lewis isn't our coach.

[X Factor]

Here's some perspective. The #2 ranked team in the country, MSU, lost in the first game to Middle Tennessee State.

We didn't play up to our potential, I agree. We didn't play like we did against Nova, and haven't really since that game.

But the NCAA's are f-ing crazy this year. I'm dying here after this game. Screw it all.

I don't care about any other team. Xavier had a great draw this year and crapped themselves tonight. No leadership on the floor. No playmakers.

I'm sorry...this sucks.

[Xpectations]

What's the perspective? One of the best teams in program history just got dumped in the first weekend of the tournament. That's all the perspective you need on this year, IMO.

No doubt it stings like a m&+#€&#&!#er right now. But the program also took huge steps forward this season and reached new heights that a buzzer beater doesn't change. We have net climbed in national prominence and respect, which we can leverage into the future.

[Cheesehead]

X was up 8 with 5 minutes to go!!! We had no one who could make a clutch shot or get a rebound, make a play on defense, etc.

We gave that game away cause we couldn't make the plays necessary. We had no leader out there tonight.

Yep

[paulxu]

Oh great. I just read that the guy who hit the last shot had a career high 6 3's tonight.
That's something that happened a number of times this year in our few loses. Somebody goes off for career highs.

I know we did all the great things people are saying. But this will take a while (probably a long while) to get over.
I'm not blaming anyone. We just didn't play up to our potential tonight.

[GoMuskies]

I think he had missed 12 in a row coming into tonight's game.

[X Factor]

I think he had missed 12 in a row coming into tonight's game.

They said he was 3-17 in the previous three games.

[Caveat]

No doubt it stings like a m&+#€&#&!#er right now. But the program also took huge steps forward this season and reached new heights that a buzzer beater doesn't change. We have net climbed in national prominence and respect, which we can leverage into the future.

I feel like we have this conversation every year -- I just want all this building and all these "steps" to pay off at some point.

[X Factor]

I feel like we have this conversation every year -- I just want all this building and all these "steps" to pay off at some point.

Xavier has the most NCAA tournamen wins of any team in the country without a Final Four. Will it ever happen?

[LadyMuskie]

I feel like we have this conversation every year -- I just want all this building and all these "steps" to pay off at some point.

I kind of agree. Certainly the team made it known that the goal was not to be ranked in the top 10 or get love on twitter. No, it was quite clear from them that the Final Four was the goal. It's whats left to do at this point. I'm not sure we can leverage anything until we complete that step, at this point.

[Caveat]

I kind of agree. Certainly the team made it known that the goal was not to be ranked in the top 10 or get love on twitter. No, it was quite clear from them that the Final Four was the goal. It's whats left to do at this point. I'm not sure we can leverage anything until we complete that step, at this point.

And, I keep coming back to this (I apologize, I'm halfway through my 12 pack) -- this was the most talented Xavier team I've seen. Drew the highest seed in school history. And they couldn't get the job done in the tournament.

If not now, when?

[X-ceptional]

The MadnessTM is only exciting/enjoyable when OTHER teams are losing.

[Xavier]

Still don't think it was as talented as that '08 team. With out a doubt, the most disappointing loss I've had as a xavier fan. Damn.

[Xavier_Musketeers]

I am still in shock. If only that would've forced overtime instead

[X Factor]

I am still in shock. If only that would've forced overtime instead

Probably would've lost in OT. Had no leader out there tonight.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Farr had to be injured. Your best player arguably played 13 mins while a freshman guard plays all 40? He was either hurt or disciplinary action because no way Mack is that stupid to keep your best rebounder out of the game. Even if he was getting beat down low you still keep,him in there for is ability to get boards. Meanwhile Sumner is playing awful and plays all 40 mins. LA JR plays zero minutes. Something is up if you ask me. Wisconsin played damn good tonight so I tip my hat to them. Hopefully they beat ND Friday. Great season for X and I look forward to next years team which could be the best team X has ever had.

[X Factor]

“I think we won the game for 39 minutes and 58 seconds. We lost in the last two seconds. It sucks to lose like this.” - Myles Davis

It does suck to lose like that, but Xavier didn't lose in the last 2 seconds. Technically, yes, but there were a lot of things that led to this loss. There's a video of the team walking to the locker room through the tunnel and Myles destroys a stack of gatorade cups in the tunnel.

Against Seton Hall, Weber St. and Wisconsin, Myles was 7-24 from the field, including 2-11 from three.

[xudash]

Farr had to be injured. Your best player arguably played 13 mins while a freshman guard plays all 40? He was either hurt or disciplinary action because no way Mack is that stupid to keep your best rebounder out of the game. Even if he was getting beat down low you still keep,him in there for is ability to get boards. Meanwhile Sumner is playing awful and plays all 40 mins. LA JR plays zero minutes. Something is up if you ask me. Wisconsin played damn good tonight so I tip my hat to them. Hopefully they beat ND Friday. Great season for X and I look forward to next years team which could be the best team X has ever had.

I don't know how this was missed by so many, but just prior to the game as the coverage came on, they put a camera on JF as he was leaning against a table with who appeared to be a female trainer. It looked like a thigh rub to me, no kidding intended. He may have been banged up. It would explain O"Mara coming in as he did when he did.

Chris Mack shouldn't be questioned about this, and I would be astounded if this had anything to do with disciplinary action with James Farr. No way.

[XU 87]

In his 13 minutes, Farr scored 2 points and had 1 rebound. I suspect he was sick or injured.

[X Factor]

In his 13 minutes, Farr scored 2 points and had 1 rebound. I suspect he was sick or injured.

Did he eat some bad bbq? How would he get injured? Jumping on his bed at the hotel?

[XU 87]

Did he eat some bad bbq? How would he get injured? Jumping on his bed at the hotel?

So you tell me, why was James so ineffective today?

[TUclutch]

So you tell me, why was James so ineffective today?

I said it during the game, he didn't look like himself. Mack wouldn't just sit him without reason. He had to have been hurt or sick. He pplayed pretty poorly when he was in. Didn't get many rebounds. Wasn't explosive. Looked slower than normal. He wasn't himself, and playing him more wouldve hurt the team

[XMuskieFTW]

So you tell me, why was James so ineffective today?

I think he would have had a hard time guarding Happ. I think Mack thought it was too much of a mismatch on defense for James, that it wasn't worth his offense to give up the defense.

[X Factor]

So you tell me, why was James so ineffective today?

I don't know. He only played 13 minutes. How many touches did he get? I can't remember any so it had to be minimal.

Was Mack asked why Farr only played 13 minutes?

[OTRMUSKIE]

So Farr was injured and Big O had to take his minutes and we lose at the Buzzer. If that's the case I can sleep a little better. Still sucks but at least it's a little more understandable why Mack didn't play him as much.

[X Factor]

So Farr was injured and Big O had to take his minutes and we lose at the Buzzer. If that's the case I can sleep a little better. Still sucks but at least it's a little more understandable why Mack didn't play him as much.

X was still up 8 with 5 minutes to go. Totally fumbled that game away, Farr or no Farr.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I was trying to sleep well please don't take that away from me. Farr plays 30 mins effectively maybe we are up 20 with 5 to go. Hopefully we get some more answers tomorrow because I don't think the loss has sunk in yet for me.

[X Factor]

I was trying to sleep well please don't take that away from me. Farr plays 30 mins effectively maybe we are up 20 with 5 to go. Hopefully we get some more answers tomorrow because I don't think the loss has sunk in yet for me.

It obviously hasn't. haha.

[Caveat]

I don't know that I'll ever get the sound out of my head of that ball hitting the net and all those morbidly obese Wisconsin fans losing their cheese-filled minds. I hate tonight.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I keep telling myself that I am 40 years old and it's just a game that I didn't even play in. Why do I even get upset? I mean I was cussing and banging my fist on the table at BDubbs. I think it's time to stop taking these losses so hard, it's pointless. I need help!!!!!:tease:

[X-ceptional]

I keep telling myself that I am 40 years old and it's just a game that I didn't even play in. Why do I even get upset? I mean I was cussing and banging my fist on the table at BDubbs. I think it's time to stop taking these losses so hard, it's pointless. I need help!!!!!:tease:

I thought the multiple personal foul, field goal range bulllshit Bengals loss was as bad as it could get. This hurts more. The parity of this season was a joke... UNC or Kansas is going to win ANOTHER one... god forbid, DUKE is going to fall ass backwards into the title this year. Ugh.

[X Factor]

I keep telling myself that I am 40 years old and it's just a game that I didn't even play in. Why do I even get upset? I mean I was cussing and banging my fist on the table at BDubbs. I think it's time to stop taking these losses so hard, it's pointless. I need help!!!!!:tease:


I know. As fans, we invest so much time and energy watching and cheering for Xavier. Losses are painful and my emotions resemble a 17 year old girl. I keep telling myself it's only a game, which it is, but it sucks. For some strange reason, I just KNEW that UW kid was going to make a shot to win the game. Before they even threw it in, I knew it was coming. I guess from that premonition, I'm strangely not as upset as I usually am after a Xavier loss. It's weird considering this loss ended our season. I've been much more angry after regular season losses.

I don't know. Maybe I'm in denial. Hey, baseball starts in a couple of weeks. I'm a Cubs fan though, go figure.

[Caveat]

I keep telling myself that I am 40 years old and it's just a game that I didn't even play in. Why do I even get upset? I mean I was cussing and banging my fist on the table at BDubbs. I think it's time to stop taking these losses so hard, it's pointless. I need help!!!!!:tease:

The 12 pack I bought earlier is nearly gone, so excuse me if I don't make any sense with this post...

I love Xavier Basketball. I've loved Xavier Basketball since I was a little kid, going to games with my father. No one in my family had any connections to the program, but even as a kid I understood that they were the underdog. The deck was stacked against them, but they kept fighting anyway. I listened to games on the radio after I was supposed to be in bed, I picked X to win national titles in my grade school bracket challenges.

Then I married into an X family and was able to fully adopt the school as my own -- and I've loved every minute of it. I've met so many amazing people, seen so many amazing games, been part of so many amazing experiences. And, as messed up as this sounds, I want this more for them than I do for myself. I've met fans twice my age who remember when this program was nothing -- and yet they stood by it all the same, giving their time and money to support it when supporting it seemed like a fools errand.

This fanbase is full of amazing people who deserve to see this program take the next step -- and yet every year, I find myself here. Drinking, wondering "What if..." What if that last shot had rimmed out and X would have gone on to win in overtime? What if they call that intentional foul on Greg Oden? What if they shoot a little better against UCLA? What if...

I've deleted and re-written this post at least three times, and I can't find a way to say it less stupidly -- but I want this to end. I want this program to be playing on the final weekend of the year. I want thousands of fans from Cincinnati to descend on the Final Four site. I want to hear the joy in Joe & Byron as they call the final seconds of a game that sends Xavier to the National Championship site. I want to see this happen for the thousands of fans who have believed, against all odds, for decades that a small school on the border of Norwood and Cincinnati can be a powerhouse on a national stage.

I want this so much, but I'm forced to wait another year and watch some other group of yahoos accomplish it instead. And that sucks. And I wish I knew a way to stop that from sucking, but I don't.

I hate tonight. But I can't wait for next year, even though I know next year is going to make me hate it it just as much.

[X Factor]

Good post Caveat. All we can do is keep supporting the program. Keep cheering for them every game. Keep drinking 12 packs after devastating losses.

One day, hopefully sooner rather than later, we'll be celebrating a Final Four or National Championship. Wouldn't that be something?

[nasdadjr]

The 12 pack I bought earlier is nearly gone, so excuse me if I don't make any sense with this post...

I love Xavier Basketball. I've loved Xavier Basketball since I was a little kid, going to games with my father. No one in my family had any connections to the program, but even as a kid I understood that they were the underdog. The deck was stacked against them, but they kept fighting anyway. I listened to games on the radio after I was supposed to be in bed, I picked X to win national titles in my grade school bracket challenges.

Then I married into an X family and was able to fully adopt the school as my own -- and I've loved every minute of it. I've met so many amazing people, seen so many amazing games, been part of so many amazing experiences. And, as messed up as this sounds, I want this more for them than I do for myself. I've met fans twice my age who remember when this program was nothing -- and yet they stood by it all the same, giving their time and money to support it when supporting it seemed like a fools errand.

This fanbase is full of amazing people who deserve to see this program take the next step -- and yet every year, I find myself here. Drinking, wondering "What if..." What if that last shot had rimmed out and X would have gone on to win in overtime? What if they call that intentional foul on Greg Oden? What if they shoot a little better against UCLA? What if...

I've deleted and re-written this post at least three times, and I can't find a way to say it less stupidly -- but I want this to end. I want this program to be playing on the final weekend of the year. I want thousands of fans from Cincinnati to descend on the Final Four site. I want to hear the joy in Joe & Byron as they call the final seconds of a game that sends Xavier to the National Championship site. I want to see this happen for the thousands of fans who have believed, against all odds, for decades that a small school on the border of Norwood and Cincinnati can be a powerhouse on a national stage.

I want this so much, but I'm forced to wait another year and watch some other group of yahoos accomplish it instead. And that sucks. And I wish I knew a way to stop that from sucking, but I don't.

I hate tonight. But I can't wait for next year, even though I know next year is going to make me hate it it just as much.

Not gonna happen this city and all of its teams except the damn cyclones are forever cursed no success no championships nothing but heartbreak

[nasdadjr]

Not gonna happen this city and all of its teams except the damn cyclones are forever cursed no success no championships nothing but heartbreak

Seriously how can one city have so many mess ups? How is it possible? Lose 3 straight home games in playoffs for Reds, all the bengals mess ups (only we can have a football up on our opponents 10 with 1:32 to go and lose, UC is .1 second from going to OT and X gives up 6 pts in 11 seconds to lose!!!! Fuck this city and fuck Bo Jackson your knee ain't worth all this

[RoseyMuskie]

“I think we won the game for 39 minutes and 58 seconds. We lost in the last two seconds. It sucks to lose like this.” - Myles Davis

It does suck to lose like that, but Xavier didn't lose in the last 2 seconds. Technically, yes, but there were a lot of things that led to this loss. There's a video of the team walking to the locker room through the tunnel and Myles destroys a stack of gatorade cups in the tunnel.

Against Seton Hall, Weber St. and Wisconsin, Myles was 7-24 from the field, including 2-11 from three.

Drove down at the last minute from Chicago, and just got home.

Was sitting near Myles during the 'Cuse game (when X was in stands), and something seemed off. In warmups, he was subdued as well. Simply might be reading too much into it, but he wasn't his normal self.

Round of applause for Remy. Watching his defensive performance tonight was a thing of beauty. Too bad it was spoiled.

Going into the season, we knew Ed would have games like this. Will blow you away with talent at times, but will also have his head scratching moments.

Offensively, Bluiett is getting a free pass. 3-11. 10-35 in his NCAA Tournament Career.

[markchal]

Total no-show from Myles and Tre tonight, which is incredibly disappointing. This team had great balance, but lacked a playmaker with killer instinct. I would've killed for a Tu or a Crawford out there.

This was the team. This was the draw. It's going to be a long time until we get that path to a FF. The worst part is we now get sucked into the narrative of cursed Cincinnati teams and Big East choke jobs. This loss cheapens everything that came before it this season. Best regular season ends in a tournament flame out. Gonna take a long time to get over this one.

[XfansinKy]

Out of my 2 hours sleep, I woke up every 30 minutes thinking about this loss. Now it's up and at em' to my stupid job.

[Masterofreality]

For me, had we played better the first 39 minutes 49 seconds of the game, we wouldn't be forced to analyze the complete disaster that was the last 11 seconds. Like UC's fail, don't leave the game open like that at the end. We had plenty of opportunities to put this sub-par Wisconsin team away tonight, and we didn't take advantage of any of them. This was a total team failure of a game, and no one is to blame except us.

This.

We were 3-3 in our last 6 games. We peaked vs Villanova then were spotty after that. We got drilled at Seton Hall because we were not ready to play from jump. Had to score 98 to beat Creighton by only 5 at home on Senior Day. Smoked mediocre Marquette in NY, then lather, rinsed repeated the not-ready-to-play mode against the Hall again. Played ok against Weber and then again came out not ready to play against Wiscy.

In this tournament, our guard play, other than Remy- who was outstanding- and JP- who was the perfect pest- was abysmal. Poor decision making, questionable shot selection and an almost scared demeanor. Letting numerous possessions go by without the ball ever being entered to the post is mind boggling, but it was allowed to continue by the staff. We let Wisconsin come out, take a lead and get some confidence then it was a dog fight.

There is no coverage or answers so far as to the questions of where Big Game James was last night. No answers to the questions of why a poor decision making red-shirt freshman Ed Sumner was called upon to just dribble then make up his own play at the end with no effort to feed the post out of a time out. No answer to the questions as to why one of our most clutch players, JP Macura, who has no fear of the moment, was not on the court for the last Xavier offensive set. No answers as to why in the last 6 Xavier possessions, the ball went into Jalen Reynolds only once,- when Happ tapped it away.

Look, I still love CMack and his staff, but these are the kinds of games where coaches make their reputations, and in this one, there were numerous failings in my opinion. 3-3 in the last 6 games. What a disappointing ending to a very fun season.

[LadyMuskie]

“I think we won the game for 39 minutes and 58 seconds. We lost in the last two seconds. It sucks to lose like this.” - Myles Davis

It does suck to lose like that, but Xavier didn't lose in the last 2 seconds. Technically, yes, but there were a lot of things that led to this loss. There's a video of the team walking to the locker room through the tunnel and Myles destroys a stack of gatorade cups in the tunnel.

Against Seton Hall, Weber St. and Wisconsin, Myles was 7-24 from the field, including 2-11 from three.

I hope this is a "what else can I say" situation. Because if Myles or any other member of the team thinks we played well for 39 minutes, that's frightening to me. We had pockets of good play here and there, but the game started lousy and you could practically see the writing on the wall.

[XfansinKy]

Gotta take good shots- didn't happen
Gotta make good shots- didn't happen
Gotta rebound as this is X's identity- didn't happen
Gotta keep turnovers to a minimum- didn't happen
Gotta get Farr n Reynold going- didn't happen
Gotta make free throws- didn't happen

[Masterofreality]

James Farr played 13 minutes last night. Xavier was out rebounded by a much less athletic team. Where was Jimmy the Chin?
Wisconsin was not athletic. Why did we even try a 1-3-1 when all it did was let Koenig get two wide ass open looks in the first half that got him going? I thought we guarded fine in the man to man. Even Tre did a good job.
Many questions unasked and unanswered. All I know is that this team did not come out ready to play in an NCAA Tournamement game..unlike some others yesterday (see Villanova).

[Milhouse]

Only been following since 08 and this loss hurts more than any others.

[mohr5150]

Out of my 2 hours sleep, I woke up every 30 minutes thinking about this loss. Now it's up and at em' to my stupid job.

Same here. I hate sports. I really need to get another hobby. Bird watching sounds like it can't hurt my heart.

[X Factor]

I hope this is a "what else can I say" situation. Because if Myles or any other member of the team thinks we played well for 39 minutes, that's frightening to me. We had pockets of good play here and there, but the game started lousy and you could practically see the writing on the wall.

Contrast that quote with Denzel Valentine after MSU got upset:


“With great power comes great responsibility,” Valentine said. “And I didn't handle it today. Just sucks that we're going home now. But I got something that I'll never forget for the rest of my life, that when you're in this position and everybody's looking at you, you've got to come through. I didn't come through today, and I'll remember that for the rest of my life.”


“I've got a lot of emotions running through my head right now. I mean, I'm more mad and disappointed because I know what this team could accomplish,” Valentine said.


"You can't have that if you want to win championships."

[Cheesehead]

It's all about guard play and our guards did not have a good tournament:

Weber State
Myles 3-9 6 asst 3 TO's 6 points
Ed 1-6 6 asst 3 TO's 2 points

Wisconsin
Myles: 1-5 0 asst 1 TO 5 points
Ed 4-13 5 asst 3 TO's 11 points

So Myles shot 4-14 for .28% and avg 5.5 points per game while Ed shot 5-19 for .26% and 6.5 points per game. That will not get it done in March.

[markchal]

For being our best player, tre's disappearing act in March sure is getting old. If you had told me Remy would score 13, I'd have predicted a win 10 out of 10 times.

[Cheesehead]

For being our best player, tre's disappearing act in March sure is getting old. If you had told me Remy would score 13, I'd have predicted a win 10 out of 10 times.

yes, he was not great either. 8.5 ppg in tournament, almost half of season average.

[Masterofreality]

Part of the problem is that Tre is a spot up shooter who has a challenge creating a shot off the bounce. All the more reason why the ball should have entered the post to Jalen Reynolds, (or Jimmy Farr if he would have been in there) who was playing hard and was drawing attention. That would then create the perfect kick back out to a shooter like Tre to knock down shots. I didn't see that once this weekend. Too many times they just gave him the ball asking him to create something. He's not that guy.

In my opinion, this staff lost their way the last two weeks and should have come down hard on guys just jacking up shots early in the shot clock or after only one pass. Ed did that numerous times..and made zero of them. There should have been a post touch on almost every possession. You had Jalen locked in, and guys refused to use him. Amazing and the more I think about it, the more pissed I get.

[Roach]

This.

We were 3-3 in our last 6 games. We peaked vs Villanova then were spotty after that. We got drilled at Seton Hall because we were not ready to play from jump. Had to score 98 to beat Creighton by only 5 at home on Senior Day. Smoked mediocre Marquette in NY, then lather, rinsed repeated the not-ready-to-play mode against the Hall again. Played ok against Weber and then again came out not ready to play against Wiscy.

In this tournament, our guard play, other than Remy- who was outstanding- and JP- who was the perfect pest- was abysmal. Poor decision making, questionable shot selection and an almost scared demeanor. Letting numerous possessions go by without the ball ever being entered to the post is mind boggling, but it was allowed to continue by the staff. We let Wisconsin come out, take a lead and get some confidence then it was a dog fight.

There is no coverage or answers so far as to the questions of where Big Game James was last night. No answers to the questions of why a poor decision making red-shirt freshman Ed Sumner was called upon to just dribble then make up his own play at the end with no effort to feed the post out of a time out. No answer to the questions as to why one of our most clutch players, JP Macura, who has no fear of the moment, was not on the court for the last Xavier offensive set. No answers as to why in the last 6 Xavier possessions, the ball went into Jalen Reynolds only once,- when Happ tapped it away.

Look, I still love CMack and his staff, but these are the kinds of games where coaches make their reputations, and in this one, there were numerous failings in my opinion. 3-3 in the last 6 games. What a disappointing ending to a very fun season.

I told my brother before the game that it felt like X had lost its mojo after the Villanova win. What a frustrating end to an otherwise memorable season.

[Masterofreality]

It's all about guard play and our guards did not have a good tournament:

Weber State
Myles 3-9 6 asst 3 TO's 6 points
Ed 1-6 6 asst 3 TO's 2 points

Wisconsin
Myles: 1-5 0 asst 1 TO 5 points
Ed 4-13 5 asst 3 TO's 11 points

So Myles shot 4-14 for .28% and avg 5.5 points per game while Ed shot 5-19 for .26% and 6.5 points per game. That will not get it done in March.

Plus, and nothing against Myles, but JP is 3 inches taller and Koenig is less athletic than JP. Koenig made the tying three over Myles, not Remy after a switch. If JP would have been in there instead, it's a much tougher shot. Have no idea why JP Macure was not in the game in the last minute. No idea.

[Cheesehead]

Plus, and nothing against Myles, but JP is 3 inches taller and Koenig is less athletic than JP. Koenig made the tying three over Myles, not Remy after a switch. If JP would have been in there instead, it's a much tougher shot. Have no idea why JP Macure was not in the game in the last minute. No idea.

Thought the same thing. Mack will be kicking himself for a long time this offseason

[drudy23]

This.

We were 3-3 in our last 6 games. We peaked vs Villanova then were spotty after that. We got drilled at Seton Hall because we were not ready to play from jump. Had to score 98 to beat Creighton by only 5 at home on Senior Day. Smoked mediocre Marquette in NY, then lather, rinsed repeated the not-ready-to-play mode against the Hall again. Played ok against Weber and then again came out not ready to play against Wiscy.

In this tournament, our guard play, other than Remy- who was outstanding- and JP- who was the perfect pest- was abysmal. Poor decision making, questionable shot selection and an almost scared demeanor. Letting numerous possessions go by without the ball ever being entered to the post is mind boggling, but it was allowed to continue by the staff. We let Wisconsin come out, take a lead and get some confidence then it was a dog fight.

There is no coverage or answers so far as to the questions of where Big Game James was last night. No answers to the questions of why a poor decision making red-shirt freshman Ed Sumner was called upon to just dribble then make up his own play at the end with no effort to feed the post out of a time out. No answer to the questions as to why one of our most clutch players, JP Macura, who has no fear of the moment, was not on the court for the last Xavier offensive set. No answers as to why in the last 6 Xavier possessions, the ball went into Jalen Reynolds only once,- when Happ tapped it away.

Look, I still love CMack and his staff, but these are the kinds of games where coaches make their reputations, and in this one, there were numerous failings in my opinion. 3-3 in the last 6 games. What a disappointing ending to a very fun season.

I, too, was quite perplexed as to why we give the ball to our worst decision maker on the most crucial play of the game. I honestly think Wisconsin knew it was coming too, and openly talked about Edmond forcing it hard right like he always does. It almost seemed like everything they drew up in the final 10 seconds worked exactly the way it was supposed to.

Ed can learn a valuable lesson about how execution, IQ, and decision making can be lethal with the physical attributes he has...but his inexperience and their execution and IQ won them the game last night.

Still wondering where JP and Jimmy are?

[THRILLHOUSE]

Plus, and nothing against Myles, but JP is 3 inches taller and Koenig is less athletic than JP. Koenig made the tying three over Myles, not Remy after a switch. If JP would have been in there instead, it's a much tougher shot. Have no idea why JP Macure was not in the game in the last minute. No idea.

Yup. As soon as I saw Myles was on Koenig I knew what was going to happen. Maybe same thing happens with JP out there, but like you said would've at least been a more difficult shot and not the sure thing it turned out to be.

[XfansinKy]

Gotta think coach Mack is wondering what just happened. How did so many things go over our coaching staff's head? I'm still glad he's our guy though. Just not our night all the way around. I guess one could blame everybody except Bill freaking Murray.

[XUMIOH12]

needed to run a pick and roll on that last play, the 1 on 1 wasnt going to work.

[XUMIOH12]

terrible way to lose a game, but when youre up 8 or 9 with 5-6 minutes left and then stop scoring, or even getting good shots, i guess that will happen

[XUMIOH12]

disappointing end to an amazing season

[X-band '01]

Xavier has the most NCAA tournament wins of any team in the country without a Final Four. Will it ever happen?

Most tournament wins, yes. However, BYU has actually been in more NCAA Tournaments overall than Xavier (29 BYU; 26 Xavier) without advancing to the Final 4.

[xavbball]

I know there's a lot of Mack apologists on this board, but this loss is on Mack and his staff. Some of the coaching decisions towards the end of the game were mind-boggling. I thought Sumner's charge could have gone either way, those kind of calls happen in this game. However, Sumner should have been told to make sure it was the very last shot. In that situation you have the advantage and it's on the coaching staff to make sure these young players know that. Also, I thought the first three by Koenig over Myles was very bad defense. Force them to shoot the two in that situation. As others have pointed out, where the hell was James Farr and JP?

[scoscox]

Wisconsin really scouted us well. They jumped a bunch of our set pieces on offense and our out of bounds plays were defended better than anyone has all year. Watching Happ get away with just putting his head down into defenders and generally mauling on defense was awful

[X-band '01]

15-4 run in the final 5:42 of the game was the difference.

I thought Xavier did well to get out of their early 11-point hole, but it's never a good sign when you're only able to muster 2 baskets in the final 5 minutes and not even make it to the free throw line once. I don't even mind Sumner trying to get the last shot off with about 4 seconds to go; it gives Xavier enough time for a tip-in if the initial shot is missed.

It's a disappointment to be sure given the road Xavier had to go far in this tournament, but I'll be thankful for the ride that the team provided for us this year. I just wish we could have thanked Farr and Abell 2 weeks from now instead of after a disappointing 2nd-round KO.

[Masterofreality]

I know there's a lot of Mack apologists on this board, but this loss is on Mack and his staff. Some of the coaching decisions towards the end of the game were mind-boggling. I thought Sumner's charge could have gone either way, those kind of calls happen in this game. However, Sumner should have been told to make sure it was the very last shot. In that situation you have the advantage and it's on the coaching staff to make sure these young players know that. Also, I thought the first three by Koenig over Myles was very bad defense. Force them to shoot the two in that situation. As others have pointed out, where the hell was James Farr and JP?

Have to say on the overall, though, that CMack did a helluva job this year. Bad few minutes last night does not cancel out the entire construct of the team or the season. First, the recruiting has been Top Shelf..especially considering the kind of kid that you can get at Xavier. Second he built a cohesive group that really liked each other. Third, his basketball mind and schematics are very good. Fourth, he's a fine representative for the University and Fifth, he's an alum who has the loyalty and affinity for the school. None of us are perfect and stuff happens in the cauldron. Everyone will be better for this experience going forward. I know we seem to say that every year, and it hurts more and more to say it, but I believe we have never been closer to that Final Four Holy Grail.

[Milhouse]

Mack's done a great coaching job this entire year- doesn't mean he did a bad one last night.

It happens. I know Xavier is better with him at the helm. I hope he gets a huge extension.

[scoscox]

I know it's not a good look to blame refs and I'm not really blaming them here, but it's disappointing that the last play on Edmond, the guy made no attempt to play legitimate defense, deliberately tried to play the ref and the ref jumped all over it. Ref was poised to make a big call in the big moment and he made it. It's kind of sickening really and pathetic. The refs repeatedly showed a lack of stones all game though. There was plenty of fouling going on in the paint and they managed to call only touch fouls on the perimeter all night. Sumner should have been at the line as much as thomas walkup last night. I'm saying that as objectively as I can because not calling a foul on Jalen for pushing Happ out of bounds was almost equally laughable refereeing.

[THRILLHOUSE]

the guy made no attempt to play legitimate defense, deliberately tried to play the ref and the ref jumped all over it.

That's the problem with the charge call overall. So many times it basically rewards a player for not playing defense.

[Cheesehead]

I refuse to pull a Mick Cronin and blame the refs. There will always bad calls both ways.

The point is it should have never gotten to that point. X allowed the Badgers to hang around and couldn't finish a game. The missed free-throws and out of control drives killed X. Also should have gone inside all night long until they could prove they could stop it. Happ could not guard Jalen. How we didn't foul him out is a mystery to me.

[scoscox]

I agree. I'm not blaming them. They're not the reason we lost. I'm just making a commentary on refereeing in general. It's just so disheartening to see calls like that. It takes away from the game. Players should get ejected for gaming the refs like that. Absolutely worst type of player. That being said, Myles would've been ejected a few times this year were that the case.

[Cheesehead]

and JP too (:

[TUclutch]

I know there's a lot of Mack apologists on this board, but this loss is on Mack and his staff. Some of the coaching decisions towards the end of the game were mind-boggling. I thought Sumner's charge could have gone either way, those kind of calls happen in this game. However, Sumner should have been told to make sure it was the very last shot. In that situation you have the advantage and it's on the coaching staff to make sure these young players know that. Also, I thought the first three by Koenig over Myles was very bad defense. Force them to shoot the two in that situation. As others have pointed out, where the hell was James Farr and JP?

You're the second or third person to make this statement. It would have been the last shot. Foul called with 4.5. Had the play continued, the shot would have gone up with about 3-3.5 on the clock meaning at most there is enough time to tip in the rebound. The timing of the play was perfect. Execution/bad call by the ref was not perfect

[XUFan09]

You're the second or third person to make this statement. It would have been the last shot. Foul called with 4.5. Had the play continued, the shot would have gone up with about 3-3.5 on the clock meaning at most there is enough time to tip in the rebound. The timing of the play was perfect. Execution/bad call by the ref was not perfect
Yeah, I don't get this claim about leaving too much time on the clock. Without the whistle, one of three things happen:

1) he misses the shot and Wisconsin gets maybe a second to heave a shot from beyond halfcourt
2) he misses and Xavier gets the rebound with just enough time to put up another shot
3) he makes it and Wisconsin gets maybe 2 seconds to inbound and make a halfcourt runner or throw a baseball pass that ends up being a turnover 90% of the time.

Even with the whistle, there really wasn't much time left and the game goes to overtime almost always.

There's a lot in this thread of people trying to rationalize improbable events. The problem was being in that situation in the first place.

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[XU 87]

You're the second or third person to make this statement. It would have been the last shot. Foul called with 4.5. Had the play continued, the shot would have gone up with about 3-3.5 on the clock meaning at most there is enough time to tip in the rebound. The timing of the play was perfect. Execution/bad call by the ref was not perfect

I agree. And I suspect the play was for Ed to penetrate, and if they collapsed, to pass the ball to an open guy for a shot. It would have taken a few seconds to pass and shoot.

[drudy23]

Ed has penetrated and kicked maybe 5 times all year. He wasn't passing.

[Gato78]

I refuse to pull a Mick Cronin and blame the refs. There will always bad calls both ways.

The point is it should have never gotten to that point. X allowed the Badgers to hang around and couldn't finish a game. The missed free-throws and out of control drives killed X. Also should have gone inside all night long until they could prove they could stop it. Happ could not guard Jalen. How we didn't foul him out is a mystery to me.

Marquette fan here. I think the refs MUST be blamed when they screw up and X was absolutely jobbed. Schowalter's flop was as bad as the Dukie flop that went viral a couple of years ago. Why sit there and take a punch? I hate Wisconsin and I wanted them to lose--especially to another BIG EAST school. So I admit my bias. But officials can cost games and this year the NCAA officiating has been absolutely awful. If we as fans let them off the hook with the "officials don't lose games" line, then don't expect officiating to get any better. If anyone has a gripe, it is Xavier, with Temple a close second.

[X-ceptional]

Anybody see this (http://imgur.com/XwnPlzV)?

No comment.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Anybody see this (http://imgur.com/XwnPlzV)?

No comment.

I'd appreciate some help here. I looked at that 4-5 times and didn't see anything other than Mack stepping back when the ball was thrown to the corner...

[GoMuskies]

It's sort of weird that Mack was basically on the court humping him before the ball was delivered, but he certainly backed up when the Wisky player actually got the ball.

[Xavier_Musketeers]

Aren't you allowed to stand there as a coach? But who cares, I saw this from a bunch of butthurt UC fans trying to say we're cheaters

[waggy]

What I see is #35 fouling Sumner.

[xukeith]

Ed has penetrated and kicked maybe 5 times all year. He wasn't passing.

In his first year, there were many flashes of Ed trying too hard to be Air Jordan.

[Iu fan]

Thought I would see talk about Wisconsin's last two plays. First, it didn't look like the man with the ball reached half court when the t.o was acknowledged. Second, it looked like he was left of the center line. Seems like the ball should have been required to be taken out on the opposite side in the backcourt. Finally, the inbounder on the last play traveled. Never established a pivot foot, shuffled feet before jumping off the ground as he threw the ball in.
I am wrong here?

[xubrew]

Aren't you allowed to stand there as a coach? But who cares, I saw this from a bunch of butthurt UC fans trying to say we're cheaters


Anybody see this (http://imgur.com/XwnPlzV)?

No comment.

The only people that are allowed to be in bounds at any time the ball is in play are the players that are playing. There is obvious leeway for practicalities or technicalities, but it makes more sense to say Mack should have been T'd up for being on the court than it does to say.....exactly what is it you were trying to say??

[nasdadjr]

I'm sorry but after watching that game I am more upset now. How the hell did we blow an eight point lead in 3 minutes. We were given a cake walk to the elite 8 and pissed it away. So frustrating.

[XfansinKy]

I'm sorry but after watching that game I am more upset now. How the hell did we blow an eight point lead in 3 minutes. We were given a cake walk to the elite 8 and pissed it away. So frustrating.
I know. I was thinking the same thing. It's gonna be a long time before the anger/hurt goes away.

[Masterofreality]

Well, somehow Gonzaga found a way to blow a 9 point lead in the last 6 minutes and lose to a 10 seed.

[XfansinKy]

Well, somehow Gonzaga found a way to blow a 9 point lead in the last 6 minutes and lose to a 10 seed.

Yep. It seems to be becoming a theme.

[PM Thor]

I was devastated. Crushed. Wasn't talking to people much for a couple of days. Didn't go to any boards or anything until just now.

I'm better now. The future is bright. A team led by a Senior Myles Davis? I will take that team every day. And the recruits coming in? Stop. Lets GOOOOO.

[xu82]

I was devastated. Crushed. Wasn't talking to people much for a couple of days. Didn't go to any boards or anything until just now.

I'm better now. The future is bright. A team led by a Senior Myles Davis? I will take that team every day. And the recruits coming in? Stop. Lets GOOOOO.

Glad to hear you've bounced back. It takes time. We all grieve at our own pace. Having said that, our guys have to be watching 'Nova and knowing they could be right there. Nova had flamed out early in recent years, but learned how to advance. We have advanced farther with less talent. Next year is the time to put the talent level and the proper peak time together.

[UCGRAD4X]

Glad to hear you've bounced back. It takes time. We all grieve at our own pace. Having said that, our guys have to be watching 'Nova and knowing they could be right there. Nova had flamed out early in recent years, but learned how to advance. We have advanced farther with less talent. Next year is the time to put the talent level and the proper peak time together.

Took me a couple days to get back on as well and this is the part that made it so hard. Almost certainly the most talent, some real leaders and seemed to have some players with spark, drive, will-to-win or whatever......aw, hell! Still sucks! Sorry.

[xukeith]

Remember when Jalen committed, he promised a Final 4. That will be next year.

[bleedXblue]

Remember when Jalen committed, he promised a Final 4. That will be next year.

Word is that Jalen took a very "light" class load this semester. He has to graduate to get his "5th" year right?

[XUFan09]

Word is that Jalen took a very "light" class load this semester. He has to graduate to get his "5th" year right?
Only if he plans on transferring to play that year somewhere else.

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[JTG]

I was devastated. Crushed. Wasn't talking to people much for a couple of days. Didn't go to any boards or anything until just now.
Me too, didn't read the sports
I'm better now. The future is bright. A team led by a Senior Myles Davis? I will take that team every day. And the recruits coming in? Stop. Lets GOOOOO.
Me too. Didn't read sports page, watch espn, or listen to sports talk. Often times in sports, it it the season after the season that you thought would be the year, that everything finally falls into place. At least that's what I'm banking on. That and never never ever not fouling on a late possession when you have a 3 pt lead.

[XUFan09]

Me too. Didn't read sports page, watch espn, or listen to sports talk. Often times in sports, it it the season after the season that you thought would be the year, that everything finally falls into place. At least that's what I'm banking on. That and never never ever not fouling on a late possession when you have a 3 pt lead.
Wait, I get the OSU situation, but did you want them to foul here too?

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