Who's Kobi Simmons?

[Masterofreality]

In Chris Mack I trust... #QuentinGoodin

http://usatodayhss.com/2016/gatorade-kentucky-boys-basketball-poy-quentin-goodin

[muskiefan82]

Sounds like NKU is getting a good player too. That's cool. Guess the head to head can continue for these two if X plays NKU again.

[XUMIOH12]

good for Goodin, but lets not get in to the Kobi Simmons debate again haha

[Milhouse]

Kobi SImmons will be in the league within two years so it's not a debate.

Goodin vs. Simpson is the what the debate should be.

I imagine Simpson will have a better year next year but after that it will hopefully be up in the air.

I'm a HUGE fan of Simpson's game from what I've seen. Kid's game is similar to Ullis IMO. Haven't seen enough of Goodin but obviously you'd be foolish not to trust this staff.

[Juice]

Kobi SImmons will be in the league within two years so it's not a debate.

Goodin vs. Simpson is the what the debate should be.

I imagine Simpson will have a better year next year but after that it will hopefully be up in the air.

I'm a HUGE fan of Simpson's game from what I've seen. Kid's game is similar to Ullis IMO. Haven't seen enough of Goodin but obviously you'd be foolish not to trust this staff.

From what I've heard/read, the staff would have taken Goodin or Simpson, they just ended up getting Goodin based on how things were shaking out.

[Milhouse]

From what I've heard/read, the staff would have taken Goodin or Simpson, they just ended up getting Goodin based on how things were shaking out.

It was first to commit between simmons/goodin/simpson I think they would've been more than happy with any of them.

That said Simpson was priority #1 from day 1, but Goodin was a long shot and a louisville/UK lean for a while.

Odd how it plays out

[Michigan Muskie]

In Chris Mack I trust... #QuentinGoodin

http://usatodayhss.com/2016/gatorade-kentucky-boys-basketball-poy-quentin-goodin

Giggity.

[Masterofreality]

Kobi SImmons will be in the league within two years so it's not a debate.

Goodin vs. Simpson is the what the debate should be.

I imagine Simpson will have a better year next year but after that it will hopefully be up in the air.

I'm a HUGE fan of Simpson's game from what I've seen. Kid's game is similar to Ullis IMO. Haven't seen enough of Goodin but obviously you'd be foolish not to trust this staff.

I'll take 4 years of Quentin Goodin vs 1 or two years of the others.

[Juice]

I'll take 4 years of Quentin Goodin vs 1 or two years of the others.

Simpson is most likely a 4 year player.

[Masterofreality]

Simpson is most likely a 4 year player.

I'll take a Kentucky POY over an Ohio POY anyday. Simpson...you snooze, you lose.
#InChrisMackITrust

[XUGRAD80]

The regional/area compition that Goodin has played against is in reality pretty weak, but his experience in the state toruney and AAU ball may will help him to adjust to college ball. Kentucky, especially in the area of the state he is from, just doesn't have the population and level of talent that can be found in most major metro areas in Ohio. I'm not saying this to disparage him, or any of the teams/players in Kentucky. I've lived across the river here in NKY for 25 years and have refereed and coached in both states. There are individual players that would be successful in either state. I certainly hope that Goodin is one of those. Having not seen him play, I can't comment on his particular talent level. I'll trust the coaching staff on this one.

[smileyy]

I would have concerns about someone coming from the Simpson line of players from Lima. Greg's life didn't turn out so great.

[Masterofreality]

Besides being a player, go have to be smart as a PG. Quentin has a 3.5 GPA, like Ed Sumner's 3.0 plus GPA.

Yeah, give me Q.

[XUFan09]

Besides being a player, go have to be smart as a PG. Quentin has a 3.5 GPA, like Ed Sumner's 3.0 plus GPA.

Yeah, give me Q.
I question how highly academic GPA and on-court IQ correlate. What those GPAs tell me more than anything is that these guys are hardworking and focused. High school is easy. You just have to do the work, and these guys did.

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[Masterofreality]

I question how highly academic GPA and on-court IQ correlate. What those GPAs tell me more than anything is that these guys are hardworking and focused. High school is easy. You just have to do the work, and these guys did.

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Did you read the NY Times article about Xavier's playbook? There are a lot of F-IMG plays!

[XUFan09]

Did you read the NY Times article about Xavier's playbook? There are a lot of F-IMG plays!
Basketball challenges the brain in different ways from academics, though. It requires much more of spatial and kinesthetic intelligence.

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[Masterofreality]

Basketball challenges the brain in different ways from academics, though. It requires a much more of spatial and kinesthetic intelligence.

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Dude, I know. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaassssssyyyyyy.

[GIMMFD]

I don't doubt Mack and company, Q will be a good player for us, hopefully he continues to develop, and we get that 71% from the free throw line up a little bit ;)

[XUFan09]

Dude, I know. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaassssssyyyyyy.
Dude, typing out easy like that implies I'm worked up over this. It was just a silly comment by you, and I responded lol.

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[JTG]

A good barometer of Goodin's talent will be the Indiana-Kentucky All Star series this June. Indiana has been beating the Ky All Stars badly for a number of years now. If he can hold his own, or even shine in those two games, it may be a glimpse of his future.

[Masterofreality]

Dude, typing out easy like that implies I'm worked up over this. It was just a silly comment by you, and I responded lol.

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Of course it was. I'm full of silly comments.

[XUFan09]

Of course it was. I'm full of silly comments.
This is true. ;)

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[Masterofreality]

The regional/area compition that Goodin has played against is in reality pretty weak, but his experience in the state toruney and AAU ball may will help him to adjust to college ball. Kentucky, especially in the area of the state he is from, just doesn't have the population and level of talent that can be found in most major metro areas in Ohio. I'm not saying this to disparage him, or any of the teams/players in Kentucky. I've lived across the river here in NKY for 25 years and have refereed and coached in both states. There are individual players that would be successful in either state. I certainly hope that Goodin is one of those. Having not seen him play, I can't comment on his particular talent level. I'll trust the coaching staff on this one.

Uh.. Quentin Goodin dropped 28/12/6 with 3 steals in state tournament play tonight. Not bad.

What was that about "competition"? Oh, and his team won by 31.

[Milhouse]

I'll take 4 years of Quentin Goodin vs 1 or two years of the others.

Depends really - 1 or 2 years of Simmons - with the roster we have coming back next year?

I really don't expect Goodin to play much at all next year- if he gets more than 10 mins a game I'll be shocked.

Kobi is probably a guy that would've taken at least 20.

I fully expect Xavier Simpson to be a Yogi Ferrell type guard with potentially even the upside of a Tyler Ullis.

I'm all for size and length, but those two were straight killers from the get go.

I'm very happy with Goodin and the staff is as well-otherwise they wouldn't have accepted his commitment when they were still in the mix for the others.

But no need to demean a Xavier Simpson- kid will be ROCK solid for 4 years and by all means is also a good kid.

[Milhouse]

Uh.. Quentin Goodin dropped 28/12/6 with 3 steals in state tournament play tonight. Not bad.

What was that about "competition"? Oh, and his team won by 31.

The entire state doesn't produce the level of talent of surrounding states is what 80 is saying. And that's true...

[XUMIOH12]

Uh.. Quentin Goodin dropped 28/12/6 with 3 steals in state tournament play tonight. Not bad.

What was that about "competition"? Oh, and his team won by 31.

thats the point. the competition is no good.

[Masterofreality]

thats the point. the competition is no good.

The State Tournament brother. Maybe Q and his team are above average?

[XUMIOH12]

The State Tournament brother. Maybe Q and his team are above average?

if they're just an above average team, whats that say about the team they beat by 31

[xavierj]

if they're just an above average team, whats that say about the team they beat by 31

The team they were playing suspensed their best player for the game. Pig Williams is a point guard who is pretty good, and averages 20 a game. He is basically their whole team. So that probably added to the large margin.

[XUMIOH12]

The team they were playing suspensed their best player for the game. Pig Williams is a point guard who is pretty good, and averages 20 a game. He is basically their whole team. So that probably added to the large margin.

so, without him, they are essentially a bad team?

[Masterofreality]

So, let's just keep demeaning and discounting what the Kentucky Gatorade Player of the Year-who is coming to Xavier- has done.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrry productive. :rant:

[XUMIOH12]

im not trying to say anything bad about Quentin Goodin, im just saying take his performances with a grain of salt, because good players (which he is) should be putting up big numbers against sub par competition.

[xavierj]

so, without him, they are essentially a bad team?

Not horrible but he made them go. Scored nearly half of their points in the three tournament games pruor to this one. He is also their main ball handler.

[xuwin]

So, let's just keep demeaning and discounting what the Kentucky Gatorade Player of the Year-who is coming to Xavier- has done.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrry productive. :rant:

That is the modus operandi of Xavier posters.

[Masterofreality]

That is the modus operandi of Xavier posters.

Reminds me of all the posts saying...or at times requiring that Big Game James Farr was going to...or should...transfer.

Good times.

[Xuperman]

Boozer and Langdon managed to be freshman all Americans coming out of high school and they played Eskimo kids in Alaska. I follow Goodin closely and he for sure has all the basketball IQ and physical tools to make considerable contribution from the jump. I have seen him play and he reminds me a lot of Bryron Larkin. Similar in stature and speed only more cut. Anyone that questions his potential based on where he plays, is simply ignorant. He is destroying all competition in front of him. Scored 33 in the regional championship including 7/8 3's. Had a quadruple double in a game this year. IN 3 QUARTERS. Go X!

[XUGRAD80]

In no way, shape, or form was I attempting to cause anyone to doubt the potential of this player. I was merely trying to point out we should not expect this (or almost any) HS player to come in and dominate at the college level, based upon their numbers in HS alone. The level of competition IS something to consider when assigning expectations. For example....Brad Redford, Mich. player of the year, averaged over 30 points a game as a senior in HS. Was a good player for X, but certainly never reached the level many might have expected based on those two things. Goodin may well become a vastly superior player than Redford was, and I certainly hope he will. I just think we should be cautious about putting greater expectations on a player than we should. Heck, I live in Kentucky and have for years. I'm rooting like crazy for him to do well, just because of that. I hope he takes his team to the state title. I hope he turns out to be a great player at X. I just don't get excited about him running up great numbers against the HS competition he sees in his part of the state. He SHOULD be putting up great numbers against those teams, but it's not like he is doing it against teams in the Chicago Public League or even the GCL. Most of the schools he is playing against would be D-3/4 in Ohio. You have to consider that when looking at the numbers is all I'm saying.

[MADXSTER]

Most of the schools he is playing against would be D-3/4 in Ohio.

Except in the state tournament where everyone gets thrown into one bracket like Indiana.

[XUFan09]

I just don't think we should expect him to be a major contributor as a freshman. He'll be a good backup, though.

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[xu82]

I just don't think we should expect him to be a major contributor as a freshman. He'll be a good backup, though.

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Fortunately, we shouldn't need a huge contribution and if he's more than expected early on, all the better! I'm sure in time he'll adjust to the differences.

[GIMMFD]

Fortunately, we shouldn't need a huge contribution and if he's more than expected early on, all the better! I'm sure in time he'll adjust to the differences.

Yup, if he can just do what Larry does this year and spell Ed for a few minutes, it ends up being perfect for us. And then throw him in a little more and more every now and then.

[XUGRAD80]

Except in the state tournament where everyone gets thrown into one bracket like Indiana.

Yes, they beat Mason County in the 1st round......total students in Mason County High School is 821, which would place them in D2 or a very small D1 school in Ohio if you figure that gives the about 400 boys. Y'all have to understand that the total population of the STATE is only 3.5 million! There are more people in the Cleveland area alone, then are in the whole state of Kentucky. 7th graders are allowed to compete on the varsity level in most Kentucky sports, just because the numbers are so small. Once you get outside what is known as the "Golden Triangle" (Lexington-Louisville-Northern Ky.) the state is mostly made up of small towns. Most of the population lives within the cites of Lexington and Louisville. The 3rd largest "city" in the state is Covington! Campbelsville, where TCHS is located, is a town of about 10,000 and is by far the largest community in the county. This limits the compition he will face not just when playing for the school, but also when playing during the off season.

[GoMuskies]

7th graders are allowed to compete on the varsity level in most Kentucky sports


I think you can technically compete from 1st grade on. The Ditty sisters won the state doubles tennis championship about 7 years in a row. I think they were in 5th and 3rd grades the first time they won.

[JTG]

Didn't Brian Grant come from some hole-in-the-wall school ? He turned out pretty well.

[GIMMFD]

Yes, they beat Mason County in the 1st round......total students in Mason County High School is 821, which would place them in D2 or a very small D1 school in Ohio if you figure that gives the about 400 boys. Y'all have to understand that the total population of the STATE is only 3.5 million! There are more people in the Cleveland area alone, then are in the whole state of Kentucky. 7th graders are allowed to compete on the varsity level in most Kentucky sports, just because the numbers are so small. Once you get outside what is known as the "Golden Triangle" (Lexington-Louisville-Northern Ky.) the state is mostly made up of small towns. Most of the population lives within the cites of Lexington and Louisville. The 3rd largest "city" in the state is Covington! Campbelsville, where TCHS is located, is a town of about 10,000 and is by far the largest community in the county. This limits the compition he will face not just when playing for the school, but also when playing during the off season.

Question, but doesn't he play AAU for a good team? Like we had a couple D1 players from WV that would just travel a couple hours to play for a better AAU team, wouldn't that help him improve against better competition in the off-season?

[wkrq59]

Didn't Brian Grant come from some hole-in-the-wall school ? He turned out pretty well.

I think he came from Georgetown which had a good working reputation with Xavier...Colerain was once a hole in th wall that gave Xavier Al Gundrum who helped that NIT title back in '57 which was the first national title won in Cincinnati by a cincy team

[XUFan09]

I think you can technically compete from 1st grade on. The Ditty sisters won the state doubles tennis championship about 7 years in a row. I think they were in 5th and 3rd grades the first time they won.
Wow.

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[Juice]

im not trying to say anything bad about Quentin Goodin, im just saying take his performances with a grain of salt, because good players (which he is) should be putting up big numbers against sub par competition.

Which is why AAU exists so you can evaluate kids against good competition. Goodin played his AAU ball with a St. Louis team.

[Milhouse]

So, let's just keep demeaning and discounting what the Kentucky Gatorade Player of the Year-who is coming to Xavier- has done.

Verrrrrrrrrrrrrry productive. :rant:

I just don't think you need to poke at a kid that didn't come to X (see title). Also Simmons didn't come to X 100% because of Goodin- and its not cuz Kobi wouldn't play with Goodin....

I'm excited to have him on the team, but all 3 will be good players no need to put another down because another got an award.

[Masterofreality]

I just don't think you need to poke at a kid that didn't come to X (see title). Also Simmons didn't come to X 100% because of Goodin- and its not cuz Kobi wouldn't play with Goodin....

I'm excited to have him on the team, but all 3 will be good players no need to put another down because another got an award.

I'm not poking fun at the kid. I'm poking fun at the "recruiting guru" posters that kept pontificating that Xavier "missed" on Simmons when the guy that the coaches wanted, and thought was the better fit, was Quentin Goodin.

As always, I'm skeptical of recruiting rankings and websites. I believe in our coaching staff, and I'll take what players they want and I'll be very happy with them. That is all.

[Xville]

Uh.. Quentin Goodin dropped 28/12/6 with 3 steals in state tournament play tonight. Not bad.

What was that about "competition"? Oh, and his team won by 31.

yeah sorry but Mason County is again from the middle of nowhere and wasn't a very good team. Plus, Kentucky high school basketball is bad...we aren't talking about Indiana here. Next up is Doss and they are one of the favorites to win state, so we shall see what happens.

Not saying Q won't be a good one, just saying that there are some on here that should temper their expectations on this kid. He hasn't really faced competition in his high school career. There are very very few Div 1 basketball players that come out of Kentucky every year.

[Xville]

nm

[Juice]

yeah sorry but Mason County is again from the middle of nowhere and wasn't a very good team. Plus, Kentucky high school basketball is bad...we aren't talking about Indiana here. Next up is Doss and they are one of the favorites to win state, so we shall see what happens.

Not saying Q won't be a good one, just saying that there are some on here that should temper their expectations on this kid. He hasn't really faced competition in his high school career. There are very very few Div 1 basketball players that come out of Kentucky every year.

I am going to make this point again...

Everyone knows his high school competition sucks. That's why kids like Goodin play AAU and in top 100 camps. He has done both. Quentin is fine. He's not a top 100 player in all the major sites just because he dominates shitty competition in Kentucky.

[Xville]

I am going to make this point again...

Everyone knows his high school competition sucks. That's why kids like Goodin play AAU and in top 100 camps. He has done both. Quentin is fine. He's not a top 100 player in all the major sites just because he dominates shitty competition in Kentucky.

completely understand that. I just think that some here expect him to come in and be a star right off the jump....and I am saying let's chill out on the expectations. I think he will be a good one, but it may take a year or two. Most top 100 players take some seasoning unless they are top 50 or even top 25....there aren't many blueitt's out there that can just come in day one and be ready to rock. That is all.

[xu82]

High school play in basketball and soccer is almost meaningless from our experience. The AAU and traveling teams are what it's all about. The traveling soccer kids from our area who were going to play in college just looked at HS soccer as something to do a few nights a week. AAU hoops was almost the same. My kids did both, and there was a clear difference. Scouts didn't sweat much over the HS stuff. There's ample opportunity to see who can play with the big boys.

[GoMuskies]

3 of 10 for 12 points in a loss to Doss. Oh, well.

[Masterofreality]

Xavier Simpson's team lost to Westerville yesterday too.

[Xville]

3 of 10 for 12 points in a loss to Doss. Oh, well.

This just proved my point. Doss this year is actually a good team and q struggled. I think he will be good eventually but those saying he is big East ready are kidding themselves.

[nuts4xu]

This is a dumb thread. If Simmons didn't want to come here, that's his problem. Good luck to him, I wish him well.

If some recruiting folks liked him better, good for them. Life is too short to lament on what could have been or to worry about some recruiter has to say about a kid. If our coaches liked Goodin and Simmons, but Goodin gives his commitment, then I'm no longer concerned with who says what about Simmoms.

[xavierj]

This just proved my point. Doss this year is actually a good team and q struggled. I think he will be good eventually but those saying he is big East ready are kidding themselves.

How does that prove your point? He played them earlier in year and had 18 pts, 9 rebounds and 6 assists. In the game the other night he was in foul trouble, and didnt force things. He did have 9 assists and kept his team in it by playing defense and passing the ball. He only took 10 shots, A Lot of big time players would have kept shooting. But regardless, no one knows how much he will play. He might not play at all and he could start. He is a four star player for a reason and he had a lot of big time programs after him for a reason. You can't teach his size and athleticism.

[XUGRAD80]

Just as no one should have gotten to excited by Goodin putting up big numbers in some games, nobody should read to much into him struggling in a few games as well.

[nasdadjr]

This is a dumb thread. If Simmons didn't want to come here, that's his problem. Good luck to him, I wish him well.

If some recruiting folks liked him better, good for them. Life is too short to lament on what could have been or to worry about some recruiter has to say about a kid. If our coaches liked Goodin and Simmons, but Goodin gives his commitment, then I'm no longer concerned with who says what about Simmoms.
Gotta agree here. Who cares? As I recall James Farr was the 3rd option on his traveling team and didn't even have a rivals ranking. Look what that means now

[markchal]

We have a game today in the second round of the NCAA tournament and this is what we're talking about.

[BandAid]

We have a game today in the second round of the NCAA tournament and this is what we're talking about.

Distractions can be healthy

[nuts4xu]

We have a game today in the second round of the NCAA tournament and this is what we're talking about.

The wait is brutal...mea culpa.

[UCGRAD4X]

The wait is brutal...mea culpa.

Yup. The wait for the next one is going to SUCK!!!!

But I'm happy to do it!