NCAA Tournament 2016

[xubrew]

I don't think taking a deep low percentage shot as the shot clock is expiring is any sort of an issue at all. What a stupid thing to get upset about. Brooks is too good of a player to be showing off after the game. Well, Krzyzewski is too good of a coach to be bitching about something that doesn't even matter.

[XUMIOH12]

I don't think taking a deep low percentage shot as the shot clock is expiring is any sort of an issue at all. What a stupid thing to get upset about. Brooks is too good of a player to be showing off after the game. Well, Krzyzewski is too good of a coach to be bitching about something that doesn't even matter.

yeah there is no need for Coach K to be complaining about that. Shot clock was going to go off, he threw up a deep 3 that happened to go in. If Duke really didn't want that to happen they had the choice to guard him and decided against it.

[Cheesehead]

Coach K absolutely said that. You can tell by both of their demeanors and the player's reaction. As stated Brooks has no reason to lie. I am glad Duke is out.

[GoMuskies]

I like UNC, Gonzaga, Notre Dame and Iowa State tonight.

[XUFan09]

yeah there is no need for Coach K to be complaining about that. Shot clock was going to go off, he threw up a deep 3 that happened to go in. If Duke really didn't want that to happen they had the choice to guard him and decided against it.
Well, clearly the classy thing to do would be to just let the shot clock expire. That must be classy, because Coach K seems to think that was the proper choice, and we know he is all about class.

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[xubrew]

I like UNC, Gonzaga, Notre Dame and Iowa State tonight.

Gonzaga was outside the bubble, meaning they were below the First Four on the seed list. I'm trying to think of the last time a team that was not inside the bubble made the Elite Eight. George Mason and VCU were at-large picks, so therefore they did not need the automatic bid to get in.

Not only can I not think of the last time that happened, I cannot think of that ever happening before.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I almost spit out my big boy when I read this on udpride.

GW will be playing San Diego State in the NIT semi-finals. GW beat Florida and SDS beat Georgia Tech in what might be Brian Gregory's last game at GT. Good news and exposure for the A10.

NIT trivia:
UD has the second most NIT bids (24) in history, second only to St. John's (30).
UD has the second most NIT games played (63), second only to St. John's (72).
Zavier has 7 bids all time.

Question:
If GW wins the NIT, how do you compare the success of GW versus UD for the '15-'16 season?

[XUFan09]

UD still had the better season.

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[paulxu]

In the modern era (since 1985) Xavier has 24 bids to the NCAA tournament.
UD has 9.

[xubrew]

I almost spit out my big boy when I read this on udpride.

GW will be playing San Diego State in the NIT semi-finals. GW beat Florida and SDS beat Georgia Tech in what might be Brian Gregory's last game at GT. Good news and exposure for the A10.

NIT trivia:
UD has the second most NIT bids (24) in history, second only to St. John's (30).
UD has the second most NIT games played (63), second only to St. John's (72).
Zavier has 7 bids all time.

Question:
If GW wins the NIT, how do you compare the success of GW versus UD for the '15-'16 season?

Winning the NIT means you have the same number of top fifty wins that you had before you won the NIT. Everyone who made the NCAA Tournament and who didn't need the automatic bid in order to do so had a better season than the NIT winner. Given the choice, I think it's much better to go out in the Round of 64 than win the NIT. Even the 16 v 16 play in game probably gets more viewers than the NIT Championship game.

[Masterofreality]

I like UNC, Gonzaga, Notre Dame and Iowa State tonight.

And I HATE all of them.

[Lloyd Braun]

I'm done. This game makes me sick. How did we lose??? Ugh

[xubrew]

What an amazing offensive display we're seeing!!!

[JEHARDI]

I'm done. This game makes me sick. How did we lose??? Ugh

Maybe WI has a pretty good D? ND has 5 guys that average double digits, sometimes NyQuil have to give the other team a little credit. The have 2 players that played on back to back FF teams and the B10 Frosh of the year.

Best out of 3/5 or 7 we likely win every time but in a one game series anything can happen and often does.

[X Factor]

Maybe WI has a pretty good D? ND has 5 guys that average double digits, sometimes NyQuil have to give the other team a little credit. The have 2 players that played on back to back FF teams and the B10 Frosh of the year.

Best out of 3/5 or 7 we likely win every time but in a one game series anything can happen and often does.

Doesn't take away the fact that Xavier blew that game and crapped the bed down the stretch. Up 8 with 5 minutes to play. Countless terrible offensive possessions in the final few minutes. I am still in shock Xavier fell apart like that.

[xu82]

Doesn't take away the fact that Xavier blew that game and crapped the bed down the stretch. Up 8 with 5 minutes to play. Countless terrible offensive possessions in the final few minutes. I am still in shock Xavier fell apart like that.

Since we can't un-do it, maybe we should hope they learn from it as Villanova appears to have done. (Go 'Nova!)



But yes, the shock lingers....

[xubrew]

Maybe WI has a pretty good D? ND has 5 guys that average double digits, sometimes NyQuil have to give the other team a little credit. The have 2 players that played on back to back FF teams and the B10 Frosh of the year.

Best out of 3/5 or 7 we likely win every time but in a one game series anything can happen and often does.

I think you may be on to something!!

[paulxu]

I'm having a difficult time being interested in these games. Just don't really seem to care. Maybe the final.

[xubrew]

I'm having a difficult time being interested in these games. Just don't really seem to care. Maybe the final.

I think this is what's normal.

[drudy23]

Wiscy has to be one of the best defensive rebounding teams in the country...if you miss, you're done.

[SM#24]

F Koenig...knocks down two 3s against us...now can't make a layup

[drudy23]

Of course that happened...of course it did.

[xu82]

F Koenig...knocks down two 3s against us...now can't make a layup

....or get the ball past half court. Ugh

[Xville]

Night night wisconsin. Glad they lost....in the end it won't matter neither one of these teams is beating unc. And yes I know ND beat unc at home, but unc beat them by 30 at home. I'm thinking unc is much better on a neutral court especially when motivated.

[xubrew]

Wiscy, who seemingly never turns it over, had two turnovers at a very inopportune time. I'm no expert, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that a key error in that game was turning it over twice in the final ten seconds when they had previously had the lead.

[drudy23]

Night night wisconsin. Glad they lost....in the end it won't matter neither one of these teams is beating unc.

What makes you sure they're beating IU? IU / UNC should be a good one.

[BandAid]

Hahaha! Eff you Koenig. One day a hero, next day a goat

[drudy23]

Hahaha! Eff you Koenig. One day a hero, next day a goat

Not really...the impetus of him being aggressive for the steal was the fact that they were gonna foul. He wasn't getting a shot off.

[xubrew]

Night night wisconsin. Glad they lost....in the end it won't matter neither one of these teams is beating unc.

I actually liked their chances against UNC prior to tonight because, normally, Wiscy doesn't turn it over and their defense is a lot like Northern Iowa's and Virginia's, both of whom have given UNC fits. But....so much for that.

[xu82]

3 steals in 13 seconds? Really? That sounds impossible. Even in a choke job. Oh, timing is everything....

[Xville]

What makes you sure they're beating IU? IU / UNC should be a good one.

Because no way crean beats UK and unc back to back...that and the fact that talent usually wins and unc has more of it.

[paulxu]

Northern Iowa did that.

[xu82]

Because no way crean beats UK and unc back to back...that and the fact that talent usually wins and unc has more of it.


Ahhh, there's the catch.

[Xville]

I actually liked their chances against UNC prior to tonight because, normally, Wiscy doesn't turn it over and their defense is a lot like Northern Iowa's and Virginia's, both of whom have given UNC fits. But....so much for that.

Virginia can also score this year though on top of their defense, plus they are way better than wisconsin. I just think unc has way too much fire power....unc really is the most talented team in the country. Their problem has been being motivated enough, which I don't think will be a problem from here on. Cream roses to the top kind of thing.

[Xville]

Is this the year Gonzaga finally makes a final four? This gonzaga team without the hype all year is the one who makes it? Could happen.

[Juice]

Because no way crean beats UK and unc back to back...that and the fact that talent usually wins and unc has more of it.

The talent gap isn't that wide and IU has sooooo many more shooters.

Bryant - 5 star, Morgan - 4 star, Blackmon (hurt) - 4 star, Johnson (doubtful) - 4 star, Troy Williams - 4 star, Robinson - 4 star, Yogi - 4 star.

Johnson - 4 star, PAige - 4 star, Meeks - 4 star, Hicks - 5 star, Pinson - 5 star, Jackson - 5 star, Williams - 4 star

[xu82]

The talent gap isn't that wide and IU has sooooo many more shooters.

Bryant - 5 star, Morgan - 4 star, Blackmon (hurt) - 4 star, Johnson (doubtful) - 4 star, Troy Williams - 4 star, Robinson - 4 star, Yogi - 4 star.

Johnson - 4 star, PAige - 4 star, Meeks - 4 star, Hicks - 5 star, Pinson - 5 star, Jackson - 5 star, Williams - 4 star

I just love that our roster will look like that soon.

[Xville]

The talent gap isn't that wide and IU has sooooo many more shooters.

Bryant - 5 star, Morgan - 4 star, Blackmon (hurt) - 4 star, Johnson (doubtful) - 4 star, Troy Williams - 4 star, Robinson - 4 star, Yogi - 4 star.

Johnson - 4 star, PAige - 4 star, Meeks - 4 star, Hicks - 5 star, Pinson - 5 star, Jackson - 5 star, Williams - 4 star

You are correct they are pretty close in star ratings. I'll still take unc's roster though. Their length and athleticism should overpower IU as the games goes along

[drudy23]

We'll see in 2 hours.

[Juice]

You are correct they are pretty close in star ratings. I'll still take unc's roster though. Their length and athleticism should overpower IU as the games goes along

I have no argument there, especially with Blackmon and Johnson hurt for IU.

[xavierj]

Is this the year Gonzaga finally makes a final four? This gonzaga team without the hype all year is the one who makes it? Could happen.

How could they? They are not very athletic at all...

[drudy23]

Really would have enjoyed watching Jalen and Jimmy battle these UNC bigs.

[xu82]

Really would have enjoyed watching Jalen and Jimmy battle these UNC bigs.

Are you trying to make me cry?

[drudy23]

First game is only 8 months away...ugh.

At this point, these games are background noise for me. We should be playing tomorrow.

[drudy23]

Note to Notre Dame...don't try to run with them. Ugly it up.

I guess they simply are better.

[xubrew]

Virginia can also score this year though on top of their defense, plus they are way better than wisconsin. I just think unc has way too much fire power....unc really is the most talented team in the country. Their problem has been being motivated enough, which I don't think will be a problem from here on. Cream roses to the top kind of thing.

Hey, you're not wrong. I am. I had Wiscy in the Final Four. I normally get the Final Four right, but I've missed the last two years. I actually had Notre Dame in it last year (and yes, I actually had Kentucky NOT making it). I just thought Wiscy would muddy it up, Roy and team would slip all over themselves in the mud, and that shooting the ball somewhere between adequately and decently would be good enough to knock them off. But, they're not even in the Elite Eight after three disastrous turnovers. So....I was wrong. Not only will they not win, they won't even play.

It's a good thing I'm not in these jackpots anymore. I wouldn't ever win them.

[Xville]

Really would have enjoyed watching Jalen and Jimmy battle these UNC bigs.

Would have been great to be in the elite eight game again. I think unc is on a mission though. There were so many people this year that said oh 15-20 teams this year could win it all and I certainly bought into that hype for a while. But in the end, I'm thinking it will be a blue blood just like normal...either Kansas or unc cutting down the nets. Hopefully I'm wrong and it will be nova.

[XU-PA]

"I don't think taking a deep low percentage shot as the shot clock is expiring is any sort of an issue at all. What a stupid thing to get upset about. Brooks is too good of a player to be showing off after the game. Well, Krzyzewski is too good of a coach to be bitching about something that doesn't even matter."

Here's what he should have done with that lead, dribble the clock out close to a dukie, hopefully the whiney little kicker, and when the buzzer goes off set the ball down, look at the Dukie and say, "There you go, it's all yours" What would K have to say about that??

[paulxu]

Xavier should be playing for the FF this weekend.

[xu82]

#1 seed Oregon getting thumped after one half.

[GoMuskies]

Hield doesn't suck.

[chico]

If loving the halftime show muppets is wrong, I don't want to be right.

[xu82]

If loving the halftime show muppets is wrong, I don't want to be right.

Those were muppets? I was about to swear off drinking!

[GoMuskies]

Hield is Superman.

[xu82]

Hield is Superman.

I hope he goes into Clark Kent more if they play 'Nova.

[X Factor]

Hield...13-20 from the field...37 points

Big Time!

[xu82]

Our guys have to be watching this and knowing they ARE that good. Or better. And I feel like it's killing me.....

[Xville]

Come on nova...get ir done!

[GoMuskies]

Foul? Perry Ellis shouldn't get LeBron calls!

[GoMuskies]

It's weird watching Nova play so slow. And of course their 3 point shooting has gone to shit tonight. I figure they're due fir a flurry, so I guess it's a good sign they've managed to hold a lead while shooting so poorly from 3 so far.

[xu82]

Banking in 3's is not a good sign. Ugh....

[GoMuskies]

Your standard Villanova NCAA Tournament shit fest right now.

[Xville]

Our guys have to be watching this and knowing they ARE that good. Or better. And I feel like it's killing me.....

Hopefully they use it as motivation next year like nova has done this year. At this point for me, I'm over it...it sucked...sucked really bad but nothing can be done about it, and I don't think we would have had a chance against UNC anyways. Would be great to add another elite 8 to the belt though. Anywwys, Ohio state to me was much longer lasting on the devastation level...I still think about it quite often and it still hurts.

[BMoreX]

2 Ina row now they're cooking

[GoMuskies]

There's the flurry! Glad they were able to hang around waiting for it to finally arrive!

[GoMuskies]

Arch needs to hit a big 3 to win.

[xu82]

It's time for a little magic. These games aren't all won by the best teams. Make a play, win the game. Ohh, I guess that makes you the best team.

[BMoreX]

Nova just got a lucky break on that Graham foul.

[GoMuskies]

Weird call. I liked.

[xu82]

Screw job in the making!

[GoMuskies]

Hart will miss. Nova is choking.

[xu82]

At the very least, it's been a great game. Go Nova!!!!!

[GoMuskies]

Awesome. Just get the ball in bounds and they win.

[usfldan]

That almost looked like the end of the '85 title game Villanova won:


https://youtu.be/QGrzYe9qP7g?t=52s

[BMoreX]

And Villanova is going to the final four.

[Xville]

Wow great job nova! Rock chalk go eff yourself!

[xu82]

Great win! Keep rolling!

[GoMuskies]

Congrats to Nova. I thought they were gonna give it up there at the end, but they played great. Hit all the clutch FTs down the stretch. Awesome.

[Xville]

So big 12, big East and 2 acc teams...interesting. wonder if nova can make a better showing against hield this time. Great job nova!

[muskiefan82]

Well done nova!

[Juice]

So big 12, big East and 2 acc teams...interesting. wonder if nova can make a better showing against hield this time. Great job nova!

They will. They were atrocious in that game in December.

[Xville]

They will. They were atrocious in that game in December.

Yes they were...should be a good game. Heild looks like a man on a mission right now but Jenkins and arcidiacano have the same will not to lose.

[usfldan]

Yes they were...should be a good game. Heild looks like a man on a mission right now but Jenkins and arcidiacano have the same will not to lose.

Villanova should have the "sneak up" factor in its favor. It could potentially avenge its two non-conference losses (Oklahoma & Virginia).

[paulxu]

I'm happy Nova is in the FF.

I'm very unhappy we aren't playing tomorrow to join them.

[chico]

That almost looked like the end of the '85 title game Villanova won:


https://youtu.be/QGrzYe9qP7g?t=52s

Was thinking the same thing. The state of Kentucky has been good to Nova.

[muethibp]

Was rooting for Villanova like I had a son on the team. Think it really helps prove the strength of the "new" Big East. And, with perspective, they're a likable team and were likable fans in NYC during the conference tournament.

[GoMuskies]

Perry-Ellis: 0 Final Fours and 10 NCAA Tournament games

The university in Perry-Ellis's hometown: 1 Final Four and 13 NCAA Tournament games in those same 4 years. 1-0 against Perry-Ellis.

Oops

[bjf123]

I'm happy Nova is in the FF.

I'm very unhappy we aren't playing tomorrow to join them.

This.

[xudash]

I'm happy Nova is in the FF.

I'm very unhappy we aren't playing tomorrow to join them.

This. Plus 2.

The Big East is legitimized in one evening. The narrative can only now improve with a NC.

In the meantime, well, damn.

[X Factor]

Wow, Virginia is in the middle of their own epic collapse. They were up 16 points in the second half, up 14 with 10 minutes left and now they're down 6 with 3 minutes to go!!

25-4 run by Syracuse!

[xu82]

UVA got exposed with inept offense against that zone. When it was time to hurry up, they had no clue.

[XUFan09]

Fuck Syracuse.

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[xu82]

Fuck Syracuse.

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Your eloquence describes my current emotional state.

[XUFan09]

Your eloquence describes my current emotional state.
Ha!

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[xu82]

Wouldn't this be a lot more interesting if we got to wonder "who might we play next weekend?"

Sorry, I should have just let that eat a hole in my gut.

[Masterofreality]

And now every Syracuse grad writer and broadcaster has a forum.... *Vomiting commences*

[xubrew]

Syracuse is going to win the national title just to annoy me.

[XUMIOH12]

Syracuse is going to win the national title just to annoy me.

that would be awful.

[UCGRAD4X]

Syracuse is going to win the national title just to annoy me.

I'm pretty sure you just thumb-nailed Boeheim's pregame motivational speech.

[xubrew]

I'm pretty sure you just thumb-nailed Boeheim's pregame motivational speech.

That's why they're doing this! It's the only reason they're doing this!

[Masterofreality]

You HAVE to read Dan Wetzel's excellent article this morning about this year's Final Four. Here's an excerpt:

"Every Final Four has a brush with uncomfortable reality. It's tougher to hide this year. CBS has made Carolina vs. Syracuse the prime game Saturday Night. (Referees: Bond, Schoeneck and King.)

This is still a topic because when Williams won his first NCAA title in 2005, it was one tear-filled feel-good moment. Man, CBS could hardly contain itself over that one. Ol' Roy finally won the big one, dadgumit. Of course, that UNC team featured seven players who earned degrees from the African and Afro-American Studies Department and thee others who didn't graduate at all.

At the time, the NCAA referred to all of them as "student-athletes."

One of the guys who didn't graduate was junior star Rashad McCants, who in the fall semester of that championship season failed two classes: algebra and psychology. (Don't ask why a college junior was taking algebra, let's just assume it was very challenging version of algebra.) With his eligibility on the line, McCants enrolled in four of the now discredited classes in the spring and, while winning the championship and declaring for the NBA, managed straight A's in every one of them – a 4.0 GPA to go with his 16.0 ppg.
McCants says the classwork was all a joke. In an interview with ESPN he described his academic career as "almost a tragedy."

On Monday, the NCAA still referred to all the players as "student-athletes."

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/welcome-to-the-ncaa-final-four--where--cheating--isn-t-cheating-and-everything-s-swell-005415078.html

[chico]

Let's not forget good ole Roy's opponent - Syracuse merely broke some rules, they didn't cheat. I really, really hope whoever comes out of the Nova - Oklahoma game wins the national title by 30 points.

[Cheesehead]

I am very curious to see if the NCAA will do anything to NC program and any fallout from such actions. This position and the Louisville position are the ones that could cause the dominos to fall and impact the head coaching position for Xavier.

NC should be punished severely and Louisville is probably not feeling too comfortable either.

[GoMuskies]

Most of that '05 UNC team were good kids. Rashad McCants is fucking psycho, though.

[xubrew]

I am very curious to see if the NCAA will do anything to NC program and any fallout from such actions. This position and the Louisville position are the ones that could cause the dominos to fall and impact the head coaching position for Xavier.

NC should be punished severely and Louisville is probably not feeling too comfortable either.

I think it's really going to hit the fan for UNC this summer. The reason it's taking so long is because before they turned in the initial report, they actually uncovered more allegations, which (stupidly) required the entire process to start over.

[paulxu]

The reason it's taking so long is because before they turned in the initial report, they actually uncovered more allegations, which (stupidly) required the entire process to start over.

Which in turn kept them eligible this season without penalties in order to get to the FF. Nice work if you can get it.

[JTG]

I think it's really going to hit the fan for UNC this summer. The reason it's taking so long is because before they turned in the initial report, they actually uncovered more allegations, which (stupidly) required the entire process to start over.

That little trick was done on purpose by UNC to make sure any punishment would not be levied before this years NCAA tournament. Anytime you admit something else you get another 90 days to reply.

[bobbiemcgee]

http://www.thonline.com/ap/sports/article_b6c6dc6b-9e8f-5b4f-96e6-4d3cf933f5c2.html

Welcome to the "Infraction Bowl"

[xubrew]

Which in turn kept them eligible this season without penalties in order to get to the FF. Nice work if you can get it.

Well, it's nice while it lasts anyway.

I actually think the long term effects will be worse for UNC than if they had pulled the stunt that Louisville had pulled. Louisville basically self imposed a ban in the middle of the season, which allowed them to side step any long term effects. It's basically over now, and it's like nothing ever happened. They'll begin next season with the exact same roster and coaches that they would have. UNC may be good now, but they'll likely get clipped in multiple sports when players are allowed to transfer without penalty and recruits can decommit without penalty.

[GoMuskies]

Based on what I've read/know about what was going on, I don't think UNC men's basketball will be hit very hard in the scandal. I think football will get hit harder, and women's basketball is going to get crushed.

[xubrew]

Based on what I've read/know about what was going on, I don't think UNC men's basketball will be hit very hard in the scandal. I think football will get hit harder, and women's basketball is going to get crushed.

Pretty much. I'm thinking at most for men's basketball it's a one year ban, and they may not even get that. The other sports were the more serious violators.

[paulxu]

Every play that looks like Sumner's last drive is being called against the defender.

(sour grapes night)

[xu82]

Every play that looks like Sumner's last drive is being called against the defender.

(sour grapes night)

Justified emotions in my opinion, but it's fermented grapes night for me.....so what do I know?

[GoMuskies]

Worst Final Four ever. Glad I went to the movies tonight and only wasted about 90 minutes of time watching those two stinkers on DVR.

[drudy23]

The Carolina game was on...zero interest.

[Masterofreality]

The Carolina game was on...zero interest.

Except to get cheater Boheem outta there. Now about North Caracademic Fraud....

[Xville]

The first weekend of the tournament was full of great games...since then though this has been the most boring tournament i can recall in a long time. There was the Syracuse comeback against Virginia I guess but I hate Syracuse

[xubrew]

Worst Final Four ever. Glad I went to the movies tonight and only wasted about 90 minutes of time watching those two stinkers on DVR.

2006 was pretty shitty. I don't remember another FF other than that one where all three games completely sucked. This one is 2/3rds of the way there, though.

[JTG]

Worst Final Four ever. Glad I went to the movies tonight and only wasted about 90 minutes of time watching those two stinkers on DVR.

It's only a bad Final Four if a team you are cheering for is losing....since I want Villanova to win, and I think the Big 12 is way overrated, I thought seeing OU chushed was great. Be honest , if that was X pummeling the Sooners we'd all think it was a great Final Four.

[GoMuskies]

Sure, but as a disinterested observer, yesterday sucked.

I'm sure UCONN fans think the women's final four is interesting, too. They're alone in that.

[bobbiemcgee]

I kinda liked the 'Nova game seeing a BE team beat the crap outta the ESPN darlings. Buddy who?

[XUFan09]

From a biased Big East fan perspective, I loved the Nova game, but at the same time, I wasn't glued to my couch watching it. I had it on in the background while making dinner and I remember thinking in the last ten minutes, "Man, this game just needs to end. The only impactful thing that could come out of this is a Villanova player getting injured."

[xu82]

I enjoyed every second of that beat down. Period.

[Strange Brew]

Sure, but as a disinterested observer, yesterday sucked.

I'm sure UCONN fans think the women's final four is interesting, too. They're alone in that.

No, actually we don't.

[LA Muskie]

From a biased Big East fan perspective, I loved the Nova game, but at the same time, I wasn't glued to my couch watching it.

I was. I was pulling for them to double OK up and set the FG% record. Making those last 3 mins with the 'Nova walk-ons in can't miss TV... But I can see how others may have been less than intrigued with the outcome.

[Xville]

So the start time tonight is 919est..how freaking stupid. Start the damn game at 8....no one is watching this game on the west coast anyways.

[xubrew]

So the start time tonight is 919est..how freaking stupid. Start the damn game at 8....no one is watching this game on the west coast anyways.

More people are watching TV at 9pm, est on Monday night than at virtually any other time period during the week. That is the prime time slot of all the prime time slots. It's the least stupid time to tip the game off, which is why it's always at 9pm on Monday night. It will be at 9pm on Monday night through 2024, and probably continue to be at 9pm on Monday night long after that.

[XUMIOH12]

More people are watching TV at 9pm, est on Monday night than at virtually any other time period during the week. That is the prime time slot of all the prime time slots. It's the least stupid time to tip the game off, which is why it's always at 9pm on Monday night. It will be at 9pm on Monday night through 2024, and probably continue to be at 9pm on Monday night long after that.

thats true, but i still wish it was earlier haha

[Xville]

More people are watching TV at 9pm, est on Monday night than at virtually any other time period during the week. That is the prime time slot of all the prime time slots. It's the least stupid time to tip the game off, which is why it's always at 9pm on Monday night. It will be at 9pm on Monday night through 2024, and probably continue to be at 9pm on Monday night long after that.

Don't really care about all of that, I think it's stupid because I have to stay up until midnight to watch the game. I wish I lived in the central or mountain time zone just for sports viewing :)

[xubrew]

And how many of those people will still be watching on the east coast at 1030 halfway thru the game? The start time isn't necessarily the problem, it's more that the game won't be over until midnight...I'm guessing there is a pretty lage drop off of viewers after the 10 o'clock hour.

Not really. Judging by past ratings, a lot of people will still be watching, especially if the game is close. During the season, the highest rated cable games are generally the 9pm tips, and that includes the Eastern time zone.

I don't watch the NFL, but doesn't Monday Night Football kick off at 9pm, est?? The ratings don't dip after 10:30 if the game is good. They won't for this either. At least they never have before. From a TV ratings perspective, this is by far the best time for the game to tip. They didn't just pick that time at random. More people will watch the game in this time slot than any other time slot they could have picked. That's why it's tipped at the same time for the past several decades, and will continue to do so.

[Cheesehead]

Not really. Judging by past ratings, a lot of people will still be watching, especially if the game is close. During the season, the highest rated cable games are generally the 9pm tips, and that includes the Eastern time zone.

I don't watch the NFL, but doesn't Monday Night Football kick off at 9pm, est?? The ratings don't dip after 10:30 if the game is good. They won't for this either. At least they never have before. From a TV ratings perspective, this is by far the best time for the game to tip. They didn't just pick that time at random. More people will watch the game in this time slot than any other time slot they could have picked. That's why it's tipped at the same time for the past several decades, and will continue to do so.

Sure, go and use logic.

I still hate it!

[Xville]

Not really. Judging by past ratings, a lot of people will still be watching, especially if the game is close. During the season, the highest rated cable games are generally the 9pm tips, and that includes the Eastern time zone.

I don't watch the NFL, but doesn't Monday Night Football kick off at 9pm, est?? The ratings don't dip after 10:30 if the game is good. They won't for this either. At least they never have before. From a TV ratings perspective, this is by far the best time for the game to tip. They didn't just pick that time at random. More people will watch the game in this time slot than any other time slot they could have picked. That's why it's tipped at the same time for the past several decades, and will continue to do so.

Kicks off at 8:30...almost a full hour before this game will start...I think viewership would be about the same if they started at 830....every year the majority of people that watch march madness are in the eastern and midwestern time zones....case in point Louisville, KY is number one every year and second place is not remotely close. second place is usually in the Cincinnati/Dayton area or sometimes the Raleigh-Durham area.

Regardless, I don't really care that much about the logic...i just think its stupid i have to stay up until midnight to watch a game when I have to get up for work the next day. I know woe is me...first world problems.

[xubrew]

It's less stupid to make the east stay up until midnight, which the vast majority of people typically do anyway, than it is to start the game before people are even home from work in the west. If you go to bed at 10:30 in the evening, you're in the minority. Just saying. This is, without question, the most logical day of the week and time of the day to play the championship game. I think you're using yourself as a frame of reference and applying that across the entire country. The viewership will be the highest by playing it at this time. Just trust me on that.

[Xville]

It's less stupid to make the east stay up until midnight, which the vast majority of people typically do anyway, than it is to start the game before people are even home from work in the west. If you go to bed at 10:30 in the evening, you're in the minority. Just saying. This is, without question, the most logical day of the week and time of the day to play the championship game. I think you're using yourself as a frame of reference and applying that across the entire country. The viewership will be the highest by playing it at this time. Just trust me on that.

Just curious...where are you getting this information? Also, as I pointed out, the West Coast cares very little about college basketball. The majority of college basketball watchers are in the eastern and midwestern time zone.

Further, the college football championship also begins at 8:30. Again, about a full hour earlier than this game. I realize football is about 3 hours as opposed to 2 hours for basketball but still.

[xubrew]

Just curious...where are you getting this information? Also, as I pointed out, the West Coast cares very little about college basketball. The majority of college basketball watchers are in the eastern and midwestern time zone.

I have friends that work in that industry. But, see for yourself. Duke v North Carolina is always a 9pm tip that actually doesn't normally tip until after 9:10, as are the vast majority of the highest rated cable/ESPN games. Monday Night football may kick off at 8:30pm in the east, but it's probably not over until about midnight most nights. The local news doesn't go off until after 11:30pm in the East. The college football championship game kicked off a little before 9pm and wasn't over until after midnight.

That is the premier time slot. Anyone who works in that industry will tell you that. The tournament also rates well in the west coast markets. The West Coast may not care as much, but they care more than the ratings indicate. For starters, the 7pm, est tips will rate awful in the west, and the 11pm tips played out west will rate awful in the East, so it appears that no one cares. The national title game typically rates really well. It will be the most watched program in just about all of the western TV markets tonight. The fact that it's on TBS will hurt it some, but the viewership will still out rate anything else that's on TV in just about every single Nielsen market.

[Xville]

I have friends that work in that industry. But, see for yourself. Duke v North Carolina is always a 9pm tip that actually doesn't normally tip until after 9:10, as are the vast majority of the highest rated cable/ESPN games. Monday Night football may kick off at 8:30pm in the east, but it's probably not over until about midnight most nights. The local news doesn't go off until after 11:30pm in the East. The college football championship game kicked off a little before 9pm and wasn't over until after midnight.

That is the premier time slot. Anyone who works in that industry will tell you that. The tournament also rates well in the west coast markets. The West Coast may not care as much, but they care more than the ratings indicate. For starters, the 7pm, est tips will rate awful in the west, and the 11pm tips played out west will rate awful in the East, so it appears that no one cares. The national title game typically rates really well. It will be the most watched program in just about all of the western TV markets tonight. The fact that it's on TBS will hurt it some, but the viewership will still out rate anything else that's on TV in just about every single Nielsen market.


It would be the same if it started at 8:30est. College basketball is dominated by the midwestern and eastern tv markets as i pointed out earlier so I doubt starting the game about an hour earlier would make much difference overall.

As an aside, ratings are way down this year from last year (now last year was kind of a perfect storm but still) and a lot of it is because no Duke, no Kentucky, no Louisville, and no Ohio teams from almost the first weekend on where the majority of viewership for the tournament actually is. The other problem is the cord cutting phenomenon as well as the fact that the games will not be broadcast over regular CBS which is freaking crazy to me, but the almighty dollar beckons.

Further, you didn't really answer my question when i asked where did you find that if I go to bed at 10:30 that I am in the minority. Answering that with "I know people in the industry" doesn't tell me anything unless they know when the majority of people fall asleep is, which i doubt.

[xubrew]

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It would be the same if it started at 8:30est. College basketball is dominated by the midwestern and eastern tv markets as i pointed out earlier so I doubt starting the game about an hour earlier would make much difference overall.

As an aside, ratings are way down this year from last year (now last year was kind of a perfect storm but still) and a lot of it is because no Duke, no Kentucky, no Louisville, and no Ohio teams from almost the first weekend on where the majority of viewership for the tournament actually is. The other problem is the cord cutting phenomenon as well as the fact that the games will not be broadcast over regular CBS which is freaking crazy to me, but the almighty dollar beckons.

Further, you didn't really answer my question when i asked where did you find that if I go to bed at 10:30 that I am in the minority. Answering that with "I know people in the industry" doesn't tell me anything unless they know when the majority of people fall asleep is, which i doubt.

Well, pretty much everyone would disagree with you. Most would say it would make a difference, which is why they don't start it at 8:30pm. I don't know why that's so hard to accept. I can't say for certain when people go to sleep. You're right about that. What I can say for certain is more people are watching TV on Monday night between 9pm and midnight than any other time during the week. Just look at this, will you?? In every single case, the games that tipped off after 9pm out rated the games that tipped off earlier. It 's not stupid for the game to be tipping when it is. What's stupid is to alienate the west coast by starting the game too early. That's why the ratings for the later games are higher, as you can see below....

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/sports-and-entertainment-ratings-buzz-march-21-27.html

The Final Four ratings were down. The games were not competitive, and they weren't on a free to air network. But, they were still the third and fourth most watched basketball games in cable TV history, and tonight's game will likely be the most watched basketball game in cable TV history, although still not as watched as it would have been if the game were on CBS.

And yes, chord cutting is something that you have to factor in, but they'll consider those numbers as well. As part of the deal, CBS/Turner wanted the exclusive streaming rights. I think that once those numbers are in, it will still be lower than what watched last year, but it'll be a lot closer to the numbers we're used to seeing.

[LA Muskie]

XVille you're missing the point. Like anything else the first objective is to lure in the consumer (the viewer). Then you need the product to take it from there.

Starting the game at 9:15 isn't keeping anyone from turning the game on. Whether they stick with it depends on the game itself.

On the other hand if you start the game at 8:30 ET you are alienating an entire coast. Will they tune in at halftime? Maybe. But many would not. So you would have to resign yourself to the die-hards who will leave work early to watch. Heck, even a 9:15 ET (6:15 PT) start is tough to manage out here.

Finally, bear in mind that football is its own animal. It has a huge, cult-like following. And because the games go 3+ hours they really can't start them much later than 8:30 PT. In fact, as games started running longer I believe they had to push them back.


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[Xville]

Well, pretty much everyone would disagree with you. Most would say it would make a difference, which is why they don't start it at 8:30pm. I don't know why that's so hard to accept. I can't say for certain when people go to sleep. You're right about that. What I can say for certain is more people are watching TV on Monday night between 9pm and midnight than any other time during the week. Just look at this, will you?? In every single case, the games that tipped off after 9pm out rated the games that tipped off earlier. It 's not stupid for the game to be tipping when it is. What's stupid is to alienate the west coast by starting the game too early. That's why the ratings for the later games are higher, as you can see below....

http://awfulannouncing.com/2016/sports-and-entertainment-ratings-buzz-march-21-27.html

The Final Four ratings were down. The games were not competitive, and they weren't on a free to air network. But, they were still the third and fourth most watched basketball games in cable TV history, and tonight's game will likely be the most watched basketball game in cable TV history, although still not as watched as it would have been if the game were on CBS.

And yes, chord cutting is something that you have to factor in, but they'll consider those numbers as well. As part of the deal, CBS/Turner wanted the exclusive streaming rights. I think that once those numbers are in, it will still be lower than what watched last year, but it'll be a lot closer to the numbers we're used to seeing.

In college basketball history or basketball history period? I'm pretty shocked by that...I would think some NBA playoff games would eclipse that but I may be mistaken.

Anyways, I'm not saying to start the game at 7 o clock...I'm saying start the game at 8:30 instead of basically 9:30. I'm not arguing that the game should start at 7est. If that start time is good enough for college football and Monday night football, I think it would be suitable for the ncaa championship. I'd be interested to see if there would be a dip in the numbers if the game started an hour earlier.

Anyways, its my own fault for living in an eastern time zone. I'm going to stay up and watch the game like I always do unless it turns into something unwatchable like the Final Four games were.

[Xville]

XVille you're missing the point. Like anything else the first objective is to lure in the consumer (the viewer). Then you need the product to take it from there.

Starting the game at 9:15 isn't keeping anyone from turning the game on. Whether they stick with it depends on the game itself.

On the other hand if you start the game at 8:30 ET you are alienating an entire coast. Will they tune in at halftime? Maybe. But many would not. So you would have to resign yourself to the die-hards who will leave work early to watch. Heck, even a 9:15 ET (6:15 PT) start is tough to manage out here.

Finally, bear in mind that football is its own animal. It has a huge, cult-like following. And because the games go 3+ hours they really can't start them much later than 8:30 PT. In fact, as games started running longer I believe they had to push them back.


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Yeah I understand what you are saying and I agree to a certain extent. However, my thought is that the ones who actually want to watch the game on the West Coast, would find a way to watch the game whether it is at 5:30 or 6:15. Anyways, I don't really care all that much about everyone else, I just don't like having to stay up until midnight when I have to wake up at 6am the following morning for work....yes I'm selfish :biggrin:

[xubrew]

In college basketball history or basketball history period? I'm pretty shocked by that...I would think some NBA playoff games would eclipse that but I may be mistaken.

Anyways, I'm not saying to start the game at 7 o clock...I'm saying start the game at 8:30 instead of basically 9:30. I'm not arguing that the game should start at 7est. If that start time is good enough for college football and Monday night football, I think it would be suitable for the ncaa championship. I'd be interested to see if there would be a dip in the numbers if the game started an hour earlier.

Anyways, its my own fault for living in an eastern time zone. I'm going to stay up and watch the game like I always do unless it turns into something unwatchable like the Final Four games were.

Hmmm, what I'm looking at says basketball history, but I'm thinking that can't actually be right. If ESPN has the NBA semifinals and finals, I don't see how that's possible. The Final Four and National Title game normally beat the NBA finals in terms of viewership, but not always, and certainly not when the games aren't on CBS. I'll try and find out because I am kind of curious. These were crap games that aired on cable. Final Four or not, I don't see how it could beat the NBA finals.

[xubrew]

I stand corrected. It's the third and fourth most watched COLLEGE games on cable.

Nova v Oklahoma got just over 10 million and UNC v Cuse got just over 13 million. That's actually pretty lousy by FF standards. The numbers will go up once they factor in those who watched via streaming, but they're still going to be low by comparison to what they normally are.

FWIW, neither semifinal college football game drew more than 10 million viewers.

[Xville]

I stand corrected. It's the third and fourth most watched COLLEGE games on cable.

Nova v Oklahoma got just over 10 million and UNC v Cuse got just over 13 million. That's actually pretty lousy by FF standards. The numbers will go up once they factor in those who watched via streaming, but they're still going to be low by comparison to what they normally are.

FWIW, neither semifinal college football game drew more than 10 million viewers.

At first I thought holy crap basketball beat football, but then I realized the morons that be scheduled those football playoff games on nye. Still interesting they coukd not get 10 million viewers though.

[xubrew]

The tournament generally gets huge ratings. College basketball as a whole is way behind the other major sports, but the NCAA Tournament as an event does very well. It captures the interest of people who otherwise don't care about basketball, and it makes people interested in teams that they otherwise aren't interested in. As a fan of the sport, I wish that would carry over to more interest during the season, because...well...how do people think teams get to the tournament?? When you're essentially eliminating 300 teams from being able to get an at-large bid throughout the course of a 30 game season, that's a hell of a season. Yet, no one cares.

[GoMuskies]

When you're essentially eliminating 300 teams from being able to get an at-large bid throughout the course of a 30 game season, that's a hell of a season. Yet, no one cares.

Well, by December 1 in reality you're down to around 60 teams with any realistic chance of being an at-large team. At most.

[xubrew]

Well, by December 1 in reality you're down to around 60 teams with any realistic chance of being an at-large team. At most.

I like the way I said it better!!

[Xville]

Though down 5, I think nova is in great position. Unc isn't going to shoot like that all game...they will come back down to earth. If nova plays in the second half like they did in the first, nova wins the championship.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Though down 5, I think nova is in great position. Unc isn't going to shoot like that all game...they will come back down to earth. If nova plays in the second half like they did in the first, nova wins the championship.

Nova played really hard that first half. Props for only being down 5 with UNC 7/9 from 3 and Jenkins playing around 8 mins. Just worried that UNC will throw down low and take advantage of the height difference in the second half. UNC was able to not take advantage of their strengths...at all....and be up 5 because of their 3 point shooting. That's not good for Nova. Really hope they can find a way to pull it out.

[xu82]

Though down 5, I think nova is in great position. Unc isn't going to shoot like that all game...they will come back down to earth. If nova plays in the second half like they did in the first, nova wins the championship.

No idea who will win, but it will be nice to have Jenkins back playing regular minutes. That could be a big help.

[XUFan09]

Come on, Nova...Keep it going.

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[xu82]

Another foul on Meeks would be helpful.

[GIMMFD]

Though down 5, I think nova is in great position. Unc isn't going to shoot like that all game...they will come back down to earth. If nova plays in the second half like they did in the first, nova wins the championship.

You called their shooting come back down, let's see if Nova fills in on their end.

[XUFan09]

Booth's spinning turnaround fadeaway shot at the shot clock buzzer? So clutch.

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[Xville]

Minus the craptastic refs, this has been a great game.

[paulxu]

Apparently Nova never watch our OSU game.

[XUFan09]

Apparently Nova never watch our OSU game.
Seriously. Though I think the opportunity to foul disappeared with Ochefu selling out on the steal attempt.

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[paulxu]

Onions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[xu82]

Forget the BE connection, one of the best Finals games EVER!

[chico]

Well that certainly made up for the semi-final games. Wow!

[KabeX]

That's a big ole WOW

[paulxu]

Eat that ESPN.

[XUFan09]

Forget the BE connection, one of the best Finals games EVER!
My thoughts exactly. That UNC comeback, Paige's crazy clutch three, and then THE ENDING. God, that was awesome.

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[LA Muskie]

That. Was. Awesome. So happy for Jay and his 'Cats. Couldn't happen to a better program. Except us, of course.


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[BandAid]

What a finish! Congrats Villanova

[muskiefan82]

My sincerest congratulations to our conference mate Villanova. Tonight Big East fans are all Villanova fans. Excellent game. One for the ages.

[paulxu]

She's really happy now.

http://images.classicalite.com/data/images/full/14552/crying-villanova-piccolo-player-performs-on-jimmy-fallon-receives-taylor-swift-tickets.jpg?w=600

[xu82]

I used to spend a week every summer in Chapel Hill (with kids at camp) and LOVE it. But obviously cheering for Nova. That was crazy great!

[GIMMFD]

... Wow. What. A. Fucking. Game

[KabeX]

A magnificent tourney run. Tough as nails and a masterful coaching job by Wright. Now let's replace the V with an X next year!

[MauriceX]

Wow!!! That was a great game. And even better that Nova won!

[xu82]

A magnificent tourney run. Tough as nails and a masterful coaching job by Wright. Now let's replace the V with an X next year!

I like the Roman numeral theme.

[Xville]

Great job nova! Jay wright can coach his behind off and Nova can defend. Two things that separated nova and x this year...Defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Get those figured out, and x could be cutting down some nets soon.

[MADXSTER]

Great job nova! Jay wright can coach his behind off and Nova can defend. Two things that separated nova and x this year...Defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Get those figured out, and x could be cutting down some nets soon.

You're such a Dick! Mack gets 3 Coach of the year awards and you have to hate on him.

[xu82]

Great job nova! Jay wright can coach his behind off and Nova can defend. Two things that separated nova and x this year...Defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Get those figured out, and x could be cutting down some nets soon.

All true, but Nova had more time to work with these players. We were a young team last year at many spots, especially PG. Our time will come. We pulled a Nova of recent years in this Tourney. Baby steps.

[xu82]

You're such a Dick! Mack gets 3 Coach of the year awards and you have to hate on him.

I think I was more tactful.

[drudy23]

You're such a Dick! Mack gets 3 Coach of the year awards and you have to hate on him.

????

[MADXSTER]

I have a hard time coming to this board sometimes because of the absolutely dumbass comments. And that pisses me off.

[Xville]

You're such a Dick! Mack gets 3 Coach of the year awards and you have to hate on him.

Umm where did I say anything about mack? Reading comprehension. Or maybe I wasn't clear...what I said was the two things that separated us and Nova was defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Calm your ass down

[Xville]

All true, but Nova had more time to work with these players. We were a young team last year at many spots, especially PG. Our time will come. We pulled a Nova of recent years in this Tourney. Baby steps.

We were young at point guard which obviously is a huge position in the tourney...true. if kaiser, sumner and Bluiett take big steps, we could do some special things.

[MADXSTER]

Two things that X didn't have. Writing comprehension.

[GoMuskies]

That was better than Saturday.

[paulxu]

Guess I understand why we lost twice to Nova this year now.

Meanwhile, what does this mean? What "culture" did Wright lose?


Jeff Goodman@GoodmanESPN
Jay Wright lost the culture for a while. Safe to say he has it back.


Also, do I have to watch that shining moment thing if they use the Koenig shot?

[xu82]

That was better than Saturday.

Ya think?


Instant Classic and a damn good time! Congrats to our BE brethren.

[Xville]

Two things that X didn't have. Writing comprehension.

Whatever. You get all pissy pants and then can't admit you made a mistake. Grow up.

[MADXSTER]

Read what you wrote Dickhead. You 100% inferred that Mack couldn't coach. Talk about someone not being able to admit to something. Own up or shut up.

[XUFan09]

Guess I understand why we lost twice to Nova this year now.

Meanwhile, what does this mean? What "culture" did Wright lose?



Also, do I have to watch that shining moment thing if they use the Koenig shot?
There was actually an article on Jay Wright recently where he talked about going away from the usual guys he recruits after the 2009 Final Four, but recently he has returned to "his guy."

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[paulxu]

Gotcha. Thanks.

[Xville]

Great job nova! Jay wright can coach his behind off and Nova can defend. Two things that separated nova and x this year...Defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Get those figured out, and x could be cutting down some nets soon.

Get a clue madxster. This is what I wrote...two things that separated x and Nova this year...Defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Then went on to say if they got those figured out, they could be cutting down the nets.

I'm sorry you have such anger issues. Maybe you should negative rep me again, maybe that will help.

[MauriceX]

Guess I understand why we lost twice to Nova this year now.



This may be the beer talking, but when was the second loss?

Also, people need to stop shitting on Xavier's defense this year. We finished 20th in defensive efficiency. Our best year since 2009. Third best defensive team we've had since Kenpom started keeping the defensive efficiency stat in 2002. We had a really good defense guys.

[MADXSTER]

Get a clue madxster. This is what I wrote...two things that separated x and Nova this year...Defense and the ability to finish thru contact. Then went on to say if they got those figured out, they could be cutting down the nets.

I'm sorry you have such anger issues. Maybe you should negative rep me again, maybe that will help.

Ha, the man won't let me

[Strange Brew]

This may be the beer talking, but when was the second loss?

Also, people need to stop shitting on Xavier's defense this year. We finished 20th in defensive efficiency. Our best year since 2009. Third best defensive team we've had since Kenpom started keeping the defensive efficiency stat in 2002. We had a really good defense guys.

X was very good this year. I think we all need to take a breath and remember that. Two tough, clutch 3's away from another Sweet 16.

Jalen being in the One Shining Moment should be more than enough for him to realize he needs to come back and sweep the leg next year. :)

[Xville]

This may be the beer talking, but when was the second loss?

Also, people need to stop shitting on Xavier's defense this year. We finished 20th in defensive efficiency. Our best year since 2009. Third best defensive team we've had since Kenpom started keeping the defensive efficiency stat in 2002. We had a really good defense guys.

I don't doubt that our stats stated that, but I think if mack was comfortable with our defensive abilities, we wouldn't have played so much 1-3-1 which left a lot of 3 point shooters wide open. It was clear to.mack that this team was not good in man to.man defense. To me, this is one of those times where the stats fib s little.

[Xville]

Ha, the man won't let me

That's a shame. I really wanted to help you with your deep rooted issues. If I felt that way about mack, I'd freely admit it. As most of the people on here know, I have zero problem with stating my opinion even if it's negative towand how Xavier may have played etc. So get a grip and realize that if I was negative about mack, I'd admit it and would have zero problem defending my position.

I get it though. You are just one of those people who can't admit when they are wrong, and would rather be and look like a complete jackass than saying 'my bad.' It's ok...hope life gets better for you.

[paulxu]

This may be the beer talking, but when was the second loss?

I forgot the sarcasm font. Of course we won the second when at full strength...which maybe means that Xville should readjust his thinking on our team.

[GoMuskies]

When's the last time we smoked the national champs? I'm guessing it was never.

[MADXSTER]

That's a shame. I really wanted to help you with your deep rooted issues. If I felt that way about mack, I'd freely admit it. As most of the people on here know, I have zero problem with stating my opinion even if it's negative towand how Xavier may have played etc. So get a grip and realize that if I was negative about mack, I'd admit it and would have zero problem defending my position.

I get it though. You are just one of those people who can't admit when they are wrong, and would rather be and look like a complete jackass than saying 'my bad.' It's ok...hope life gets better for you.

My bad.

[drudy23]

I don't doubt that our stats stated that, but I think if mack was comfortable with our defensive abilities, we wouldn't have played so much 1-3-1 which left a lot of 3 point shooters wide open. It was clear to.mack that this team was not good in man to.man defense. To me, this is one of those times where the stats fib s little.

+1

We were not a great man-to-man team. Although I think we have tough players, we don't have the junk yard dog defensive toughness, and I think that comes down somewhat to the size of our guards. Guys like Myles and Edmond can't guard players in this way one on one. Everyone talks about Tre as an offensive weapon, but he could provide a huge advantage on the defensive end with his size and bulk.

[LA Muskie]

Two things that X didn't have. Writing comprehension.
You may want to go back and read what he wrote. Because I think you read it wrong.

[LA Muskie]

Read what you wrote Dickhead. You 100% inferred that Mack couldn't coach. Talk about someone not being able to admit to something. Own up or shut up.
Dude, stop doubling down. You read it wrong. It happens. Just own it.

[GoMuskies]

So, apparently a UNC fan decided to sucker punch the mascot immediately following the final shot?!? Talk about adding injury and insult to insult.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4700901-fan-sucker-punches-unc-mascot-after-national-championship

[xeus]

Read what you wrote Dickhead. You 100% inferred that Mack couldn't coach. Talk about someone not being able to admit to something. Own up or shut up.

The writer does not infer. The writer implies. The reader infers.

In this case, I see where there could have been some confusion, but I think you inferred something that Xville did not imply. he mentioned two tings that Nova did well, then two things that Xavier could improve on.

I've argued for appropriate paragraph breaks in the past, and I think such a break between those sentences could have prevented this early off-season battle.

Go in peace.

[xubrew]

What did I miss?? I went to bed at 10:30

[LA Muskie]

The writer does not infer. The writer implies. The reader infers.

In this case, I see where there could have been some confusion, but I think you inferred something that Xville did not imply. he mentioned two tings that Nova did well, then two things that Xavier could improve on.

I've argued for appropriate paragraph breaks in the past, and I think such a break between those sentences could have prevented this early off-season battle.

Go in peace.

Ha! Or quotation marks instead of the ellipsis. But still it was pretty clear to me.

[LA Muskie]

What did I miss?? I went to bed at 10:30

One of the best finishes ever. And I got to watch it with my dinner.

[xubrew]

Madxster is certainly living up to the first three letters of his name. Sheesh!

[gladdenguy]

I'm really hoping Madxster was drunk after his comments to XVille last night. Totally uncalled for.

Congrats to Nova. I'm watching all the videos of the reactions last night. Absolute goosebumps.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/villanova-fans-go-wild-as-kris-jenkins-hits-game-winner--videos-040654895.html

[xu82]

One of the best finishes ever. And I got to watch it with my dinner.

EVER. Awesome game. You should have watched it with a late lunch.

[XUMIOH12]

What an amazing tournament. The championship game may have been the best ever, and was a perfect way to cap off such an exciting tournament!

[Xtemporaneous]

When's the last time we smoked the national champs? I'm guessing it was never.

Jay Wright actually had Xavier winning it all. I'm more of a fan now than I was knowing this...

[XUOWNSUC]

Jay Wright actually had Xavier winning it all. I'm more of a fan now than I was knowing this...

Where did you see this?

[Masterofreality]

Jay Wright actually had Xavier winning it all. I'm more of a fan now than I was knowing this...

Ever hear of gamesmanship- by putting the pressure on the other guy by taking it off yourself? Ha! Very shrewd by Jay. :lol:

[Xville]

I'm really hoping Madxster was drunk after his comments to XVille last night. Totally uncalled for.

Congrats to Nova. I'm watching all the videos of the reactions last night. Absolute goosebumps.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/villanova-fans-go-wild-as-kris-jenkins-hits-game-winner--videos-040654895.html

Since the man is keeping me down..public reps!

[scoscox]

I don't doubt that our stats stated that, but I think if mack was comfortable with our defensive abilities, we wouldn't have played so much 1-3-1 which left a lot of 3 point shooters wide open. It was clear to.mack that this team was not good in man to.man defense. To me, this is one of those times where the stats fib s little.

I agree, but we also played a lot of very good teams this year. Teams that many Xavier teams of the past did not face.

[MADXSTER]

Apologies to XVILLE. My bad. Reading comprehension. Not drunk, though it would have been a great excuse, just flat out read his post wrong. It was the first post I read when I came onto the site after the game. Thought he was putting Mack's coaching down. ��