Actual Seed and Matchups

[D-West & PO-Z]

Thought I'd make a thread for the seed we actually get and who we play etc. Dont think there is one, if seems redundant feel free to merge Mods.

[D-West & PO-Z]

South is real tough region.

Glad not to be there.

[Pajama Joe]

South is real tough region.

Glad not to be there.

2 in stl, in east

[D-West & PO-Z]

I like it. Let UNC, UK, and IU all beat each other up at the top of bracket!

[drudy23]

I like it. Let UNC, UK, and IU all beat each other up at the top of bracket!

Was thinking the same thing...our side is very winnable.

[Pajama Joe]

Yep, and I think we have a favorable second round matchup

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah our bottom is very winnable. We'll see leftover of IU, UNC, and UK in the regional finals!

[GIMMFD]

Throwing up at the thought of potentially matching up with WVU in the Sweet 16.

[bleedXblue]

WVU is tough.

[GoMuskies]

Throwing up at the thought of potentially matching up with WVU in the Sweet 16.

Bob Thuggins is just throwing up. Because it's Sunday.

We own him.

[D-West & PO-Z]

WVU is tough.

Ed will have to stay out of foul trouble that is for sure.

[RoseyMuskie]

WVU/SFA will be an entertaining game. Two teams that press and force turnovers at a high clip. Not counting out Walkup and the Lumberjacks yet.

[Muskie in dayton]

throwing up at the thought of potentially matching up with wvu in the sweet 16.

do it j.p., do it!!!!

[XMuskieFTW]

Someone give me a quick rundown on wvu. Haven't seen them play this year.

[bleedXblue]

Someone give me a quick rundown on wvu. Haven't seen them play this year.

Tough, physical, pressing style team.

[GIMMFD]

Someone give me a quick rundown on wvu. Haven't seen them play this year.

Considering I'm from WVU and a partial WVU fan I'll take this one.

They press. It's what they do, they're very good at the press, if we play as sloppy as we did against Seton Hall, it will be a long day for us (barring both teams get there), they don't have the greatest shooters in the world, however, Jaysean Paige and Jevon Carter (two guards) can get hot at random times, and when that happens, it's almost impossible to beat them. Even though they miss a shit ton of shots. And I mean a shit ton, they have two MONSTERS on the offensive boards in Devin Williams and Jonathan Holton, those two are probably close to leading the country in offensive rebounds if not (I'm not looking it up I'm too lazy), so where the 1-3-1 will help us because they aren't the greatest shooters, and like to drive, it will also hurt us because those two get rebounds offensively with ease. In the end, if they have a normal shooting night, and we take care of the ball, I like X's chances.

[HenryMuto]

Happy about the 2 seed but hate everything else. Hate being in Kentucky's and North Carolina's bracket.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Happy about the 2 seed but hate everything else. Hate being in Kentucky's and North Carolina's bracket.

Gotta love being on the bottom thought with IU and UK and UNC on top. That is pretty lucky.

[X Factor]

Kenny Smith picked Wiscy over X, but Barkley told him he was wrong.

[XUFan09]

There will be no doubt of Xavier earning it as they roughshod through this bracket.

[RoseyMuskie]

Happy about the 2 seed but hate everything else. Hate being in Kentucky's and North Carolina's bracket.

The benefit of IU, UK, and UNC being in the same vicinity is attrition.

Overall, I think the draw is okay.

[profson]

Considering I'm from WVU and a partial WVU fan I'll take this one.

They press. It's what they do, they're very good at the press, if we play as sloppy as we did against Seton Hall, it will be a long day for us (barring both teams get there), they don't have the greatest shooters in the world, however, Jaysean Paige and Jevon Carter (two guards) can get hot at random times, and when that happens, it's almost impossible to beat them. Even though they miss a shit ton of shots. And I mean a shit ton, they have two MONSTERS on the offensive boards in Devin Williams and Jonathan Holton, those two are probably close to leading the country in offensive rebounds if not (I'm not looking it up I'm too lazy), so where the 1-3-1 will help us because they aren't the greatest shooters, and like to drive, it will also hurt us because those two get rebounds offensively with ease. In the end, if they have a normal shooting night, and we take care of the ball, I like X's chances.

100% correct. One of the few teams that has quicker hands than Seton Hall. And we have not shown the ability to attack when we beat the press.

[D-West & PO-Z]

100% correct. One of the few teams that has quicker hands than Seton Hall. And we have not shown the ability to attack when we beat the press.

I dont think they are nearly as good as Seton Hall athletically are they?

Ed has to stay out of foul trouble

Edit: I meant offensively, oops!

[GIMMFD]

100% correct. One of the few teams that has quicker hands than Seton Hall. And we have not shown the ability to attack when we beat the press.

Exactly, just like we said the 1-3-1 was our advantage against teams who haven't seen it, their advantage is the press. Even though you know it's coming, they're damn good at it. Quick hands, players who get after it defensively.. It's a nightmare. Remember guys, this team turned Kansas over 22 times in their first match-up....

[mid major]

WVU is tough on defense. Something we stopped doing a few games back.

[GIMMFD]

I dont think they are nearly as good as Seton Hall athletically are they?

Ed has to stay out of foul trouble

Idk, that ones tough to call, they have some guys who are pretty good athletes, Jaysean Paige drives the ball very well and gets to the line, Holton as mentioned being one of them with his rebounding skills, one of their freshman bigs that gets burn Esa Ahmad is pretty athletic as well. Ed CANNOT be in foul trouble or we will be in serious trouble, these guys will eat Larry alive.

[OTRMUSKIE]

I think we better get past the first two teams before we worry about Thuggins and his whiskey. Remember he has been known to choke during the big dance. Although he has been to two final fours.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Idk, that ones tough to call, they have some guys who are pretty good athletes, Jaysean Paige drives the ball very well and gets to the line, Holton as mentioned being one of them with his rebounding skills, one of their freshman bigs that gets burn Esa Ahmad is pretty athletic as well. Ed CANNOT be in foul trouble or we will be in serious trouble, these guys will eat Larry alive.

Meant offensively, oops!

[Masterofreality]

Xavier is in a Crusade vs Evil. First BeelzeBob, then Academic Fraud North Carolina!

Good always triumphs!!!!!

[GoMuskies]

First Weber State, though. Is Harold "the Show" Arceneaux still there?

[GIMMFD]

Meant offensively, oops!

Offense works the best when the bigs are on, Devin Williams is an animal inside, I think he had 26 pts and 14 rbs against Kansas in the Big 12 Championship game, definition of a bruiser, makes room for his shots, Holton also is capable offensively, can hit a mid-range jumper as a 4-5 occasionally, and like I said, offensive rebounds. That's his game. If those two are on, they look to kick out to guards, usually the guards drive because they aren't the best shooters, that being said Jaysean Paige really gets going outside, he torched Iowa State for 33 earlier this year, and is their best weapon outside of the bigs but comes off the bench. Jevon Carter likes to shoot but his shooting is really hit or miss, I expect him to miss more often however. Daxter Miles is okay, another one of those guards that can have a big game or do nothing.

Guards don't compare to Whitehead's talent, but the bigs are better than Delgado, they would be the best bigs we face all season.

[bjf123]

I'll start to think about WVU once we make it out of the first weekend. Got to get past Weber St. and WI/Pitt first.


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[Muncie]

Wisconsin will not be easy they have had some big time wins, I think we beat them but we better play well for that to happen .

[HenryMuto]

Gotta love being on the bottom thought with IU and UK and UNC on top. That is pretty lucky.

Yes but I want to see both Kentucky and Xavier in the final 4 and that can't happen now and neither might not make it with UNC there.

[xubrew]

Wisconsin will not be easy they have had some big time wins, I think we beat them but we better play well for that to happen .

I would have rather played ANYONE from basically the #5 line down than Wisconsin.

[Strange Brew]

Xavier is in a Crusade vs Evil. First BeelzeBob, then Academic Fraud North Carolina!

Good always triumphs!!!!!

According to Mel Brooks evil always wins because "good is dumb".

[HenryMuto]

Weber State has a couple really great players I watched a lot of their conference tournament. Their guard Jeremy Senglin and their inside guy Joel Bolomboy. I thought Weber State was going to be a 14 seed and I thought they could give a team a run for their money so this will not be an easy game by any means.

[BMoreX]

CBS discussing 2. Xavier possibly in Philadelphia and 2. Villanova in Louisville.

[Xville]

Nm

[XMuskieFTW]

I would have rather played ANYONE from basically the #5 line down than Wisconsin.

I've been wanting to play wiscy for months. They grind out wins but they don't shoot well, aren't athletic, average rebounding. As long as we score decently and this game isn't in the 50s I like our chances.

[xubrew]

I've been wanting to play wiscy for months. They grind out wins but they don't shoot well, aren't athletic, average rebounding. As long as we score decently and this game isn't in the 50s I like our chances.

They control tempo, and are effective against zone defenses, which is our go to when things don't go well.

I hope you're right. i would have felt better playing just about anyone else.

[XMuskieFTW]

9:30 Friday night. Hell yes.

[XUFan09]

Here is the S-curve for the tournament. Remember, the S-curve rankings of the top 4 seeds are summed up, and the Committee had to organize things so they wouldn't vary too much from each other. Here's the East region:

2 + 8 (Xavier) + 9 + 15 = 34

South:

1 + 7 (Villanova) + 10 + 14 = 32

Midwest:

3 + 5 + 11 + 16 = 35

West:

4 + 6 + 12 + 13 = 35

So, mathematically speaking, Kansas' region is the toughest in terms of top 4 teams (if someone cares to sum all teams or all at-large teams, have at it). Xavier's region is second toughest, but really, the region has the average sum. As the last 2 seed, Xavier actually pulls down that sum the most. They hang out with the second best 2 seed, the best 3 seed, and the second worst 4 seed. Though this doesn't go into the regional sum, their region also includes the best 5 seed (Indiana), the best 7 seed (Wisconsin), and the best 10 seed (Pittsburgh).

XUBrew has been talking about not wanting to see Wisconsin, though. As I have not really seen them play, I'll take his word for it.

[X-ceptional]

So ESPN shows 9:20 game time on Friday. Works for me. Going to get to enjoy a lot of basketball Thurs and Fri before the dance begins for Xavier.


Edit- XMUSKIEFTW beat me to it!

[bobbiemcgee]

I dunno. They lost to G'Town and marquette.

[JTG]

So ESPN shows 9:20 game time on Friday. Works for me. Going to get to enjoy a lot of basketball Thurs and Fri before the dance begins for Xavier.


Edit- XMUSKIEFTW beat me to it!

Not espn.

[waggy]

Dream bracket.

[X-ceptional]

Not espn.

Yea, I wasn't clear on that... just meant that was the first place I saw the actual gametime.

[scoscox]

Weber State is a pretty tough 15 seed.

[Xville]

Our region is the toughest by far in my opinion. Hopefully there are some upsets like hopefully Indiana beats UK and unc

[xu82]

I've been wanting to play wiscy for months. They grind out wins but they don't shoot well, aren't athletic, average rebounding. As long as we score decently and this game isn't in the 50s I like our chances.

Some people also wanted to play Seton Hall again. Be careful what you wish for. They ALL scare me (but maybe with therapy I can get better).

[D-West & PO-Z]

Weber State is a pretty tough 15 seed.

What are they good at? I know nothing about them.

[xu82]

I know almost nothing about Wisconsin, but I thought we'd be pretty deep and athletic for them. Now I'm just hoping to play them!

[waggy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w20QVXfb9F4

[Muncie]

I'm unable to watch the TV coverage post brackets announcement . What are the sports "Experts " saying about X and our path?

[vee4xu]

I know almost nothing about Wisconsin, but I thought we'd be pretty deep and athletic for them. Now I'm just hoping to play them!

They were actually pitiful the first half of the season. Bo Ryan resigned and the new coach got things moving the second half of the season. They've actually been pretty to very good the past 10-15 games. Could be a tough out.

[vee4xu]

I'm unable to watch the TV coverage post brackets announcement . What are the sports "Experts " saying about X and our path?


At the end of the selection show, both Gotlieb and Kellogg said that X could make a deep run.

[xavierj]

What are they good at? I know nothing about them.

Looking at stats alone, they can score and most games are relatively close. Pretty good shooting the 3 and rebound decent. Have two guys that score a bunch. Pg goes for 18 a game and shoots like 44% from 3 and they have a big, 6'9" 230, who averages 18 pts, 12 brds and 2 blocks a game. Next closest guy averages 8 points a game. They don't appear to be a great free throw shooting team. I would imagine if X controls the two top guys, they will roll.

[XUFan09]

We will get to see a battle between two of the best rebounders in the nation, Joel Bolomboy and our very own James Farr.

[Xville]

I'm unable to watch the TV coverage post brackets announcement . What are the sports "Experts " saying about X and our path?

On ESPN almost all the experts had us in the elite eight...none of us in the final four though. I think that's fair....this region we are really going to have to earn it. Kentucky, indiana, North Carolina and WVU all in the same region...I mean they might as well have put Kansas or Michigan state in there too.

[waggy]

On ESPN almost all the experts had us in the elite eight...none of us in the final four though. I think that's fair....this region we are really going to have to earn it. Kentucky, indiana, North Carolina and WVU all in the same region...I mean they might as well have put Kansas or Michigan state in there too.

You realize that X can only face one of UNC, KY or IU. It's not like X has to play the gauntlet. X got a dream draw.

[usfldan]

Looking at stats alone, they can score and most games are relatively close. Pretty good shooting the 3 and rebound decent. Have two guys that score a bunch. Pg goes for 18 a game and shoots like 44% from 3 and they have a big, 6'9" 230, who averages 18 pts, 12 brds and 2 blocks a game. Next closest guy averages 8 points a game. They don't appear to be a great free throw shooting team. I would imagine if X controls the two top guys, they will roll.

They look very untested, too. Here is their "team sheet" on CBSSports.com:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/teams/rpi/WEBER/weber-state-wildcats

1-2 vs. RPI top 100 - They split with #28 South Dakota St. and lost to super-fun BYU.
5-5 vs. RPI top 200.
then 21 games against teams 200 and up (18-3 in those games).

Xavier has more Top 100 wins than Weber State has Top 200 games.

[Masterofreality]

Someone give me a quick rundown on wvu. Haven't seen them play this year.


Tough, physical, pressing style team.


Considering I'm from WVU and a partial WVU fan I'll take this one.

They press. It's what they do, they're very good at the press, if we play as sloppy as we did against Seton Hall, it will be a long day for us (barring both teams get there), they don't have the greatest shooters in the world, however, Jaysean Paige and Jevon Carter (two guards) can get hot at random times, and when that happens, it's almost impossible to beat them. Even though they miss a shit ton of shots. And I mean a shit ton, they have two MONSTERS on the offensive boards in Devin Williams and Jonathan Holton, those two are probably close to leading the country in offensive rebounds if not (I'm not looking it up I'm too lazy), so where the 1-3-1 will help us because they aren't the greatest shooters, and like to drive, it will also hurt us because those two get rebounds offensively with ease. In the end, if they have a normal shooting night, and we take care of the ball, I like X's chances.

This describes the prototypical BeelzeBob team that we have beaten like rented mules-even when they were number 1 ranked. Why?

Because like YTG his protege', Thuggins teams cannot run a half court offense. If you don't throw the ball to them, they'll have trouble scoring, unless you let them get offensive rebounds. Our bigs can prevent that.

And because they can't shoot worth a crap and they really can't run a half court, our man to man defensive issues won't be much at play here.

West Virginia absolutely does not bother me, except that I will be in a horrible mood for us having to play that Cretin of Coifs again. Bobby Thuggins is the most despicable human being involved with college athletics, bar none. I'd welcome the chance to knock his ass out of the tournament again, but I hope he loses immediately, because I wish nothing but bad things on Satan.

[D-West & PO-Z]

At the end of the selection show, both Gotlieb and Kellogg said that X could make a deep run.

Yeah Gottlieb and Kellogg picked XU out of bottom of bracket, Davis went with WVU.

[Masterofreality]

They were actually pitiful the first half of the season. Bo Ryan resigned and the new coach got things moving the second half of the season. They've actually been pretty to very good the past 10-15 games. Could be a tough out.

That's because they were playing Big 10 competition, which the Committee proved tonight, that they had no respect for.
Nothing about anything in the Big 10 this year scares me.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You realize that X can only face one of UNC, KY or IU. It's not like X has to play the gauntlet. X got a dream draw.

Yeah I love our draw. Having UK, UNC and IU in our bracket but only having to play 1 of them if we get to the Elite 8 is awesome.

[Masterofreality]

So ESPN shows 9:20 game time on Friday. Works for me. Going to get to enjoy a lot of basketball Thurs and Fri before the dance begins for Xavier.


Edit- XMUSKIEFTW beat me to it!

Game is on TNT Friday night

[D-West & PO-Z]

This describes the prototypical BeelzeBob team that we have beaten like rented mules-even when they were number 1 ranked. Why?

Because like YTG his protege', Thuggins teams cannot run a half court offense. If you don't throw the ball to them, they'll have trouble scoring, unless you let them get offensive rebounds. Our bigs can prevent that.

And because they can't shoot worth a crap and they really can't run a half court, our man to man defensive issues won't be much at play here.

West Virginia absolutely does not bother me, except that I will be in a horrible mood for us having to play that Cretin of Coifs again. Bobby Thuggins is the most despicable human being involved with college athletics, bar none. I'd welcome the chance to knock his ass out of the tournament again, but I hope he loses immediately, because I wish nothing but bad things on Satan.

Only thing that really scares me is Ed staying on the court. Myles is going to have to have a big game taking on some PG duties as well. I will be pissing myself if LAJ has to play more than 6mins or so.

(Obviously assuming we get there)

[Masterofreality]

Our region is the toughest by far in my opinion. Hopefully there are some upsets like hopefully Indiana beats UK and unc

No way. We avoid Kansas

[D-West & PO-Z]

No way. We avoid Kansas

Yeah I think South is toughest. Maybe the East but our half of the East is a dream relatively speaking.

[D-West & PO-Z]

East is probably toughest when looking at top 5 seeds.

The West is by far the weakest.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Dickie V has us in Elite 8 against UK. Didnt hear who he picked to win though.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It has been 14 years since MAryland was in the second round?!?!? Wow.

[XUFan09]

It has been 14 years since MAryland was in the second round?!?!? Wow.
I would laugh if that extended to 15 years.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

I would laugh if that extended to 15 years.

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I would have never guessed that in a million years. That has to be the year they beat us then right? West's senior year was the last time they were in 2nd round?

[XUFan09]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25516015/ncaa-bracket-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-east-region
via http://cbssportsapp.com

Matt Norlander picked Xavier winning over UNC to make the Final Four. The logic was that Xavier, besides being really good, has a good path to the regional finals. At that point, he opines that UNC is overrated and has flaws, despite the trendiness of picking them as national champion.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25516015/ncaa-bracket-what-you-need-to-know-about-the-east-region
via http://cbssportsapp.com

Matt Norlander picked Xavier winning over UNC to make the Final Four. The logic was that Xavier, besides being really good, has a good path to the regional finals. At that point, he opines that UNC is overrated and has flaws, despite the trendiness of picking them as national champion.

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SFA only -5 against WVU. I like that upset. Walkup is still there?

[HenryMuto]

I saw somewhere that 3 of the top 5 teams favored to win it all are in this region.

NCAA Tournament Championship Odds
Team Odds
Kansas +500
Michigan State +500
North Carolina +900
Kentucky +1,000
Xavier +1,200
Oklahoma +1,200
Villanova +1,400
Virginia +1,400
Duke +2,000
Maryland +2,000
Wisconsin +2,500
Iowa +2,500
Miami +2,800
Arizona +3,300
California +3,300
Indiana +3,300
Iowa State +3,300

[HenryMuto]

SFA only -5 against WVU. I like that upset. Walkup is still there?

Yes he is still there.

[KabeX]

I would have never guessed that in a million years. That has to be the year they beat us then right? West's senior year was the last time they were in 2nd round?

I think the last time was actually 2003 (so 13 years) when they beat us with David West. We were a 3 and they were a 6.

[KabeX]

I think the last time was actually 2003 (so 13 years) when they beat us with David West. We were a 3 and they were a 6.

Also the year after they won it all.

[XUFan09]

I saw somewhere that 3 of the top 5 teams favored to win it all are in this region.

NCAA Tournament Championship Odds
Team Odds
Kansas +500
Michigan State +500
North Carolina +900
Kentucky +1,000
Xavier +1,200
Oklahoma +1,200
Villanova +1,400
Virginia +1,400
Duke +2,000
Maryland +2,000
Wisconsin +2,500
Iowa +2,500
Miami +2,800
Arizona +3,300
California +3,300
Indiana +3,300
Iowa State +3,300
I can see that lower values mean better odds, but what exactly do these mean? I'm used to odds given as ratios.

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[xukeith]

Also the year after they won it all.

Hope Wisconsin's experience last year in the dance does NOT help them against us Sunday.

[usfldan]

It has been 14 years since Maryland was in the second round?!?!? Wow.

That's the second WEEK, not round. Maryland beat Valpo in the first round last year and has several round-of-32 losses since 2003:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins_men%27s_basketball
or
http://www.umterps.com/fls/29700/pdf/mbb/1516RecordBook.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=29700 (page 63)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Also the year after they won it all.

Year before.

I swear the ESPN bracket think said it had been 14 years but I'm lokng them up and that is not true.

[D-West & PO-Z]

That's the second WEEK, not round. Maryland beat Valpo in the first round last year and has several round-of-32 losses since 2003:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland_Terrapins_men%27s_basketball
or
http://www.umterps.com/fls/29700/pdf/mbb/1516RecordBook.pdf?DB_OEM_ID=29700 (page 63)

Ah, thank you, that makes much more sense. I must have mis read.

[muethibp]

I can see that lower values mean better odds, but what exactly do these mean? I'm used to odds given as ratios.

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The payout of a $100 bet to win.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Greenberg, Bilas, Vitale have X in Elite 8. Two of them have X losing to UK.

[chico]

Greenberg, Bilas, Vitale have X in Elite 8. Two of them have X losing to UK.

Well now we're screwed. We can't very well sneak up on people now.

But what about Jay Bilas? Where does he have us? I want more reasons to hate Jay Bilas because he obviously hates us.

Seriously, it's kind of fun to see some of the so-called experts seeing us go at least to the final 8, but I think if we get UK we beat UK.

[usfldan]

Another reason to like James Farr:

http://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/story/twitter-topples-cbs-selection-show-with-leaked-ncaa-bracket-031316



Xavier forward James Farr said he saw the leaked bracket on his phone while the Musketeers were still waiting to learn their seeding and opponent, but he didn't say anything to his teammates. ''I didn't want to ruin anything,'' Farr said. ''I thought it was somebody's prediction of the bracket.''

[waggy]

Some comments from Lunardi I think are interesting:



First of all, why is Kansas leading the South Region in Louisville (slightly farther than the Midwest Region in Chicago)? Especially when Virginia is a good bit closer and should be in the South. It looks like a consolation prize for Michigan State, which would make sense and would also not be necessary if the Spartans were a No. 1 seed above either Virginia or Oregon.

The committee is clearly protecting North Carolina from a potential regional final against Villanova (in Philadelphia) by moving the Wildcats to the South and Xavier to the East. Haven’t we been told for years that the committee doesn’t project matchups? So Michigan State gets desired placement as a No. 2 seed, but the top Big East seeds don't. I don’t get it, unless Rich Kotite got the committee’s mileage chart wet. (Aside: If Michigan State was a No. 1 seed, the committee wouldn’t be stuck flying the Southern/Holy Cross First Four winner to Spokane, Washington, as St. Louis would have been an available and a far more sensible alternative.

[waggy]

And as an aside I don't think Seton Hall was treated very well considering they won the BE championship.

[XMuskieFTW]

And as an aside I don't think Seton Hall was treated very well considering they won the BE championship.

Completely agree. Hell, X got a 6 last year with 13 losses and not winning the BE tourney and Seton only got a 6? I was surprised.

[LA Muskie]

And as an aside I don't think Seton Hall was treated very well considering they won the BE championship.

I absolutely agree. They deserved a 4. I figured they would get disrespected into a 5. But a 6? After finishing 3rd in one of the toughest conferences in the country this year, and winning the tourney? That's just plain absurd. Then again they would get a vastly over-rated Utah (assuming 1st round chalk) so it could be poetic justice.


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[nasdadjr]

And as an aside I don't think Seton Hall was treated very well considering they won the BE championship.

I tried to tell you guys on the other thread teams don't move much in conference tournaments seed wise but no one wanted to listen. Seton hall entered the BE on the 6 or 7 line and that is where they ended up. Michigan state doesn't get a one but Virginia does? Obviously these teams were slotted with a couple exceptions back on Thursday like I said. Man I wish people would realize I'm not just blowing hot air and have a little knowledge on this subject.

[nasdadjr]

With that said I gotta say this is about the best final four draw we could get. Every match up is perfect. The men from X need to find a way to not go 4-24 from 3 ot range and we should be booking Houston hotels

[XMuskieFTW]

I tried to tell you guys on the other thread teams don't move much in conference tournaments seed wise but no one wanted to listen. Seton hall entered the BE on the 6 or 7 line and that is where they ended up. Michigan state doesn't get a one but Virginia does? Obviously these teams were slotted with a couple exceptions back on Thursday like I said. Man I wish people would realize I'm not just blowing hot air and have a little knowledge on this subject.

Are you trying to tell me we were a 6 seed at 19-12 before our conference tourney last year?

[nasdadjr]

Are you trying to tell me we were a 6 seed at 19-12 before our conference tourney last year?

I'm telling you we were on the 6 7 line more toward the 7 moved up a hair but not much. You can't argue it the proof is in the pudding with this years brackets. I know new year and somewhat new committee but this years bracket proves me right

[nasdadjr]

I never said conference tournaments are irrelevant small moves can be made but I am saying teams don't move from 10 seeds to 6 seeds in 2 or 3 games. DOESNT HAPPEN

[waggy]

Bad seedings are proof that the field is set?


:wave:

[nasdadjr]

Yes otherwise you can not justify Virginia over MSU.

[waggy]

This is mildly entertaining.

[nasdadjr]

This is mildly entertaining.

Say what you want I'm right and this bracket proves it. Sorry a majority of people on here just regurgitate what lunardi and palm write down but that's not what I do

[MauriceX]

I do remember hearing in an interview with Bobo when he was the guy in charge that the committee pays very little attention to conference tournaments. I recall him saying that the only time changes were made during the tournaments was when a team won a tournament and they weren't already in the field. Granted, different committees have different priorities, so that may not be true now, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was.

[usfldan]

Yes otherwise you can not justify Virginia over MSU.

It's not that hard to make the case for Virginia over Michigan State:

UVA Mich St.
vs. Top 10 5-2 1-0
vs. Top 25 8-3 6-1
vs. Top 50 9-3 8-4
vs. Top 100 16-7 13-4
vs. 100+ 10-0 16-1
RPI 3 12
KenPom 2 3


Virginia has more wins vs. the Top 10, Top 25, Top 50, or Top 100 (where ever you want to draw that line, Virginia is ahead). Virginia does not have a "bad" (sub-100 RPI) loss, Michigan State does. Virginia has a better RPI and a better KenPom rating. The only thing Michigan State has is a tournament title which came by beating two teams that ended up as 5 seeds. Virginia lost its conference title game to another #1 seed after beating a 3 seed.

Ultimately, Michigan State got a pretty sweet consolation prize. If both make it through, Michigan State will get to "host" Virginia in Chicago.

[Xuperman]

Who cares about that crap. Can we focus on XU and our seed/matchups? If X can get to the S16 it looks like WVU will be waiting for us. Past history against Huggins teams are irrelevant. This is now. I don't think we have anyone to bring the ball up off of made WV baskets. Kansas had mass problems on Saturday and they saw it twice in the Regular season AND practiced for it. Just getting it across the timeline was a nightmare for them, let alone getting into their half court offense when they did. Especially in the last 5/6 minutes of the game. And they are the consensus #1 team in the land. Setting the TO over/under at 22 for X.....if we get there of course.

[nasdadjr]

Who cares about that crap. Can we focus on XU and our seed/matchups? If X can get to the S16 it looks like WVU will be waiting for us. Past history with Huggins teams are irrelevant. This is now. I don't think we have anyone to bring the ball up off of made WV baskets. Kansas had a mass problems on Saturday and they saw it twice in the Regular season AND practiced for it. Just getting it across the timeline was a nightmare for them, let alone getting into their half court offense when they did. Especially in the last 5/6 minutes of the game. Setting the TO over/under at 22 for X.
I can say to DAN that MSU was almost unbeatable with Valentine and that has to be considered. They are better than Virginia. On to this guys post. The problem West Virginia has is they go through huge dry spells where they literally can't score. Outside of their press they don't have a super NBA guy like a Dunn, Valentine, whitehead. Outside of the fact they press they are an exact worse copy of Xavier. A bunch of good players but no great ones and Xavier hits the boards harder and can play bigger. I'm not very worried about West Virginia it's the best draw we could have gotten.

[Xuperman]

You obviously didn't see the B12 championship game. Devin Williams, nuff said. 31/10 in 29 minutes. An absolute beast. Again, against the #1 team and their lottery picks! Worried? Yes. Let's hope our Jesuit brothers can take them out for us.

[Xuperman]

And, no. The best draw for a 2 is the west bracket. Even give me the Mid west and Utah as the 3 seed. X has probably Wisconsin, WVU and UNC to get to the E8.

[nasdadjr]

You obviously didn't see the B12 championship game. Devin Williams, nuff said. 31/10 in 29 minutes. An absolute beast. Again, against the #1 team and their lottery picks! Worried? Yes. Let's hope our Jesuit brothers can take them out for us.

Well I think I can collectively speak for all of us here when I say you have zero idea what your talking about. All Kansas lottery picks? They don't have one this year what game have you been watching.

[nasdadjr]

And I'm not going to say it but a Wisconsin or Pitt match up is about as much as a guarantee win as we could hope for in round of 32. I'd be more afraid playing Stephen F Austin, Iona or Chattanooga

[nasdadjr]

I will offer this though you may be right on one thing. Texas a&m would have been a better 3 match up but hey why not take another shot at Huggy bear and let him end yet another season listening to fans chant X-A-V-IER

[Xuperman]

Granted, I do not follow the NBA or their draft, but I have much more than "zero" idea. I was referring to Seldon and Ellis. Mis spoke on lottery picks, but NBA yes. Especially Seldon. He might not be a lottery pick but he sure looks it, especially if he stays for his Senior year.

[Xville]

You realize that X can only face one of UNC, KY or IU. It's not like X has to play the gauntlet. X got a dream draw.

Yeah..WVU is a bad matchup for us this year. Sumner is young and Myles isn't the best ball handler. We would have serious issues against their press. Hope I'm dead wrong. Unc or ky? Yikes.

[Xuperman]

But SFA, Iona or Chattanooga??? You gotta put down the jug man. What have they ever done. The Badgers have NC game experience on their team. Let's try and be serious. Seeing Hugs expression would be classic if X won for sure!!!!

[nasdadjr]

But SFA, Iona or Chattanooga??? Put down the jug. What have they ever done. The Badgers have NC game experience on their team. Let's try and be serious. Seeing Hugs expression would be classic if X won for sure!!!!

Dude I'm really trying hard not to embarrass you but your making it real hard. Wisconsin has national championship experience? Last time I checked kaminsky, dekkar and Bronson are not playing anymore. By the way that was like all their scoring last year. They have no experience outside of a few minutes here or there.

Let me give you a close to home example. Say Xavier won the championship this year and Sumner, Reynolds and Blueitt left along with the seniors. Next year are we national championship experienced because Makinde London was on the bench for the run and didn't play? Of course not so why would Wisconsin be different. You wanna talk real that's about as real as it gets

[Xuperman]

You won't embarrass me. The players that were there know what it takes to get there and are all obviously 1 year older. Embarrassing is fearing Iona.

[nasdadjr]

What I want to know is why does Xavier play at 9:15 when the 7-10 game is at 6:30? Xavier is the higher seed in the pod shouldn't they play first and get what is considered more rest than the lower seeded teams. Makes zero sense to me

[nasdadjr]

No those guys don't have any experience if they did they wouldn't have gotten torched by a horrible Nebraska team. Iona is probably one of the top 3 pure shooting teams in this tournament. Very scary to play them for a one done senario

[Xuperman]

So you are saying when X wins the NC, next year, Gates, O'Mara, JP would not have NC experience??? Both Hayes and Koenig logged over 30 minutes and scored double digits for Wisconsin in the NC game. Again the jug man.

[nasdadjr]

I may continue this later or not depends if I feel you are receptive to the education. Someone like D West on here would prolly confirm what I'm trying to tell you. While me and him butt heads at times on topics I know he knows the game pretty darn well. He would probably tell you very similar things to what I've been saying the last couple hours so if you don't want to listen to me then listen to him

[nasdadjr]

So you are saying when X wins the NC, the following year, Gates, O'Mara, JP would not have NC experience??? Again the jug man.

jp yes everyone else no. If this team next year started Austin jr. Omara, jp, gates, Davis then I'd say you will be going to NYC for NIT or to suck ass UD arena on Tuesday

[Masterofreality]

Quick bracket picks analysis.

-Big 10 got no respect from the Committee.
-KenPom is now the King of metric measures
-The AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC got way too much respect
-Olean Welding Academy got screwed- but only if you count that Tulsa, Tulsa got in.
-Vanderbilt had no reason to be selected. Monmouth did more.
-SucKS has the biggest Strawman resume ever. Who excactlyndid they pay off and what did they actually do other than beating an SMU team that had NOTHING to play for?
-St. Marys can stop their bitching. Play a schedule.

That's all I got time for.

[XMuskieFTW]

Dude I'm really trying hard not to embarrass you but your making it real hard. Wisconsin has national championship experience? Last time I checked kaminsky, dekkar and Bronson are not playing anymore. By the way that was like all their scoring last year. They have no experience outside of a few minutes here or there.

Let me give you a close to home example. Say Xavier won the championship this year and Sumner, Reynolds and Blueitt left along with the seniors. Next year are we national championship experienced because Makinde London was on the bench for the run and didn't play? Of course not so why would Wisconsin be different. You wanna talk real that's about as real as it gets

It's kind of hard to embarrass someone else when what you are saying is false. Bronson Koenig is only a junior. He is still playing. Also the whole "know it all" hijacking of the thread act is extremely tiring.

[bleedXblue]

Well I think I can collectively speak for all of us here when I say you have zero idea what your talking about. All Kansas lottery picks? They don't have one this year what game have you been watching.

Please don't speak for all of us. A lot of your stuff is nonsense. A lot of the time.

[muethibp]

What I want to know is why does Xavier play at 9:15 when the 7-10 game is at 6:30? Xavier is the higher seed in the pod shouldn't they play first and get what is considered more rest than the lower seeded teams. Makes zero sense to me


Because CBS/Turner want a potentially competitive game to finish while people are awake. Whenever you ask in the coming weeks, "Why is ----? It makes no sense." The answer will be CBS/Turner.

[markchal]

It's kind of hard to embarrass someone else when what you are saying is false. Bronson Koenig is only a junior. He is still playing. Also the whole "know it all" hijacking of the thread act is extremely tiring.

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[hoopsgalore]

Dude I'm really trying hard not to embarrass you but your making it real hard. Wisconsin has national championship experience? Last time I checked kaminsky, dekkar and Bronson are not playing anymore. By the way that was like all their scoring last year. They have no experience outside of a few minutes here or there.

Let me give you a close to home example. Say Xavier won the championship this year and Sumner, Reynolds and Blueitt left along with the seniors. Next year are we national championship experienced because Makinde London was on the bench for the run and didn't play? Of course not so why would Wisconsin be different. You wanna talk real that's about as real as it gets

Bronson Koenig is still playing at Wisconsin. Him and Nigel Hayes were both starters a year ago.

[X-Men]

I may continue this later or not depends if I feel you are receptive to the education.

Please don't. You're obviously too enlightened for the rest of us. We aren't worthy of your insight nor can we comprehend it.

[Xavier]

Dude I'm really trying hard not to embarrass you but your making it real hard. Wisconsin has national championship experience? Last time I checked kaminsky, dekkar and Bronson are not playing anymore. By the way that was like all their scoring last year. They have no experience outside of a few minutes here or there.

Let me give you a close to home example. Say Xavier won the championship this year and Sumner, Reynolds and Blueitt left along with the seniors. Next year are we national championship experienced because Makinde London was on the bench for the run and didn't play? Of course not so why would Wisconsin be different. You wanna talk real that's about as real as it gets

If X won it this year A starter on the team wouldn't have NC experience? Huh? (Davis) Interesting, would love to see why you wouldn't give him credit.

[XUMIOH12]

Please don't. You're obviously too enlightened for the rest of us. We aren't worthy of your insight nor can we comprehend it.

He is thinking on a different level than most others on this thread.

[XUMIOH12]

He is thinking on a different level than most others on this thread.

I wasnt planning on reading much of this thread, but it has a little entertainment value

[XUFan09]

The payout of a $100 bet to win.
Thanks!

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[Xuperman]

nasdadjr must reside in bizzaro world, you know, where everything is backwards. Anyway, I am surprised so many here like the draw we got. Friday looks like a Wbut the 7/10 draw in our bracket looks to be the toughest of the 4. The west 7/10 is laughable. I am hoping for Pitt because the Badgers would be similar to the 2001 game against that Steve Blake/Maryland team. Big time program from a power conference w/ final four experience. If we get our defense on track and make the E8 we will have left some big names in our wake. Maybe rival 2004 in degree of difficulty.

[XUFan09]

I tried to tell you guys on the other thread teams don't move much in conference tournaments seed wise but no one wanted to listen. Seton hall entered the BE on the 6 or 7 line and that is where they ended up. Michigan state doesn't get a one but Virginia does? Obviously these teams were slotted with a couple exceptions back on Thursday like I said. Man I wish people would realize I'm not just blowing hot air and have a little knowledge on this subject.
Seton Hall was actually projected more on the 8 seed line. That's what happens when you only have a single good win out of conference. For the most part those composite projections are pretty good, so they probably moved up 6 to 8 slots. Considering they beat two top 10 teams en route to a conference championship, that's not a huge jump, but it's not nothing either.

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[paulxu]

Just curious. Why does UNC get a #1 and Villanova a #2?
It's true UNC won the ACC tournament; but Virginia lost there and got a #1 also.
Nova's RPI is 4 and UNC's is #5.

[Xavier]

Well, Nova really wasn't much different than X. Both teams best win is against each other and really no other top win. Not looking, I imagine UNC has wins over Viriginia and Miami, probably another good win or two.

[XUFan09]

Well, Nova really wasn't much different than X. Both teams best win is against each other and really no other top win. Not looking, I imagine UNC has wins over Viriginia and Miami, probably another good win or two.
Yeah, Nova did poorly against top-tier teams, going 1-3.

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[Xuperman]

And VU lost it's last game to an unranked team.

[Masterofreality]

Just curious. Why does UNC get a #1 and Villanova a #2?
Nova's RPI is 4 and UNC's is #5.

Because the NCAA LOVES schools that commit verified and obvious Academic Fraud, then delays a decision.
Either THAT or the fact that NC is one of their favorite cash cows.
One or the other

[nasdadjr]

If X won it this year A starter on the team wouldn't have NC experience? Huh? (Davis) Interesting, would love to see why you wouldn't give him credit.

1. Late at night small mistake didn't mean Bronson meant Jackson so my mistake on that.

2. Yes Myles counts but I couldn't exactly say starters and only mention 4 people. I only mention jp cause the other guy did.

3. Love it or hate it I was right. When others loudly say I'm wrong and the committee proves me right you better believe I'm gonna let those people hear about it

[xeus]

3. Love it or hate it I was right. When others loudly say I'm wrong and the committee proves me right you better believe I'm gonna let those people hear about it

Dude, you've made yourself heard. Move on.

[nasdadjr]

Seton Hall was actually projected more on the 8 seed line. That's what happens when you only have a single good win out of conference. For the most part those composite projections are pretty good, so they probably moved up 6 to 8 slots. Considering they beat two top 10 teams en route to a conference championship, that's not a huge jump, but it's not nothing either.

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100 percent agreed I never said moving was impossible but it's very small. Seton hall beat 2 two seeds and moved up maybe 6 spots. My whole thing is a committee who is gonna put a team on the proverbial bubble and move them up 4 or 5 seed lines cause of 2 big wins at the end of the year.

[X-band '01]

Seton Hall was actually projected more on the 8 seed line. That's what happens when you only have a single good win out of conference. For the most part those composite projections are pretty good, so they probably moved up 6 to 8 slots. Considering they beat two top 10 teams en route to a conference championship, that's not a huge jump, but it's not nothing either.

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No way Seton Hall would have been "only" an 8 with wins over Wichita State, Xavier and 2x Providence even before the Big East tournament. John Calipari did have a fair point as it relates to the selection criteria being a moving target. Back-to-back wins over Xavier and Villanova on a neutral floor deserved to be rewarded a lot more than they did.

Even their worst loss was against Long Beach in Charleston - they even got an NIT bid which was more difficult given that there were only 17 at-large selections in that field this year.

Another example of a moving target is the inclusion of Tulsa and Wichita State in the field but the exclusion of Monmouth and St. Bonaventure. If Tulsa was rewarded for wins against NCAA Tournament teams (5 in total), it shouldn't have come at the expense of Monmouth (who beat Notre Dame and USC on a neutral floor and Iona on the road - to say nothing of wins at UCLA and Georgetown). Wichita only beat Utah and Northern Iowa; St. Bonaventure had a sweep of Saint Joe's and a win at Dayton.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Quick bracket picks analysis.

-KenPom is now the King of metric measures


In some cases that appears to be the case, but not so much in others. Example - Oregon State is #60 in Ken Pom and somehow got a 7 seed. Really, this committee was all over the place.

[XUFan09]

100 percent agreed I never said moving was impossible but it's very small. Seton hall beat 2 two seeds and moved up maybe 6 spots. My whole thing is a committee who is gonna put a team on the proverbial bubble and move them up 4 or 5 seed lines cause of 2 big wins at the end of the year.

This is all I've been saying all along. In a lot of your posts, you've been acting like there is no movement, and I've just said that a seed line or two is easily doable in the conference tournament, given the right opponents.

So, either

1) you were wrong, because you were trying to claim that conference tournaments don't matter and are now acting like you said something less extreme.

or

2) you really suck at explaining yourself, to the point that everyone interpreted you as claiming #1, which in the end is on you.

WIth either option, you have no basis to come on here and gloat.


Edit: Actually, now I remember you treating portions of the schedule and movements on the seed line as directly proportional. So, before, you explicitly said that a move of 6 to 8 spots for 2 games doesn't make sense, because it's not proportional. Now, you're saying that it does make sense, and you are trying to claim you said it all along. No, you don't get to do that. You were wrong, plain and simple.

[hoopsgalore]

1. Late at night small mistake didn't mean Bronson meant Jackson so my mistake on that.

2. Yes Myles counts but I couldn't exactly say starters and only mention 4 people. I only mention jp cause the other guy did.

3. Love it or hate it I was right. When others loudly say I'm wrong and the committee proves me right you better believe I'm gonna let those people hear about it

Just to be clear, Traevon Jackson missed nearly the entire B1G schedule for Wisconsin and made his return in the NCAAT, but did not provide much of an impact. Bronson Koenig, in the 20+ games he started in 2014-15, averaged nearly 12 points/game. Couple that production with Nigel Hayes, and Wisconsin has two players with valuable Tournament experience.

[XUFan09]

Think about it each seed is a minimum 4 spots on the S curve. How can anyone say 1 or 2 games is worth 4 to 8 spots on the curve? In other words 1 game or about 3 percent of the schedule is worth about 6 to 7 percent on the curve? Mathematically it just doesn't make sense


100 percent agreed I never said moving was impossible but it's very small. Seton hall beat 2 two seeds and moved up maybe 6 spots. My whole thing is a committee who is gonna put a team on the proverbial bubble and move them up 4 or 5 seed lines cause of 2 big wins at the end of the year.

Your post from yesterday and your post just now, contradicting each other. Do everyone a favor and stop acting like you knew all along, when there's plenty of evidence in the other thread claiming things that you are now contradicting. You are trying to shift your position while acting like you held the new position all along. Just stop. No one believes you, and it does you no good. You wouldn't be the first person who was wrong on this board, so just take the minor hit and move on.

As for your last line, I always agreed with that part, and I made it clear that I did. No team makes mammoth jumps this late in the season.

[XUMIOH12]

Your post from yesterday and your post just now, contradicting each other. Do everyone a favor and stop acting like you knew all along, when there's plenty of evidence in the other thread claiming things that you are now contradicting. You are trying to shift your position while acting like you held the new position all along. Just stop. No one believes you, and it does you no good. You wouldn't be the first person who was wrong on this board, so just take the minor hit and move on.

As for your last line, I always agreed with that part, and I made it clear that I did. No team makes mammoth jumps this late in the season.

i was just about to point these out. I think he is confusing himself.

[Xavier]

Your post from yesterday and your post just now, contradicting each other. Do everyone a favor and stop acting like you knew all along, when there's plenty of evidence in the other thread claiming things that you are now contradicting. You are trying to shift your position while acting like you held the new position all along. Just stop. No one believes you, and it does you no good. You wouldn't be the first person who was wrong on this board, so just take the minor hit and move on.

As for your last line, I always agreed with that part, and I made it clear that I did. No team makes mammoth jumps this late in the season.

Ha! well done, embarrassing for NASDADJR.

[XUFan09]

I just want him to move on. It's good for him, and it's good for everyone else on this board.

[American X]

Seems everyone is expecting a matchup with West Virginia, but I am looking for a Holy War with Notre Dame in the Regional Semi-final.

[UCGRAD4X]

Seems everyone is expecting a matchup with West Virginia, but I am looking for a Holy War with Notre Dame in the Regional Semi-final.

And you aren't just saying that because it is March 17th?

[HenryMuto]

Be glad Middle Tennessee wasn't X's #2.

This has to be one of the biggest upsets in tourney history as MSU was one of the favorites to win it all....and they say there isn't much difference from a 1 or 2 seed huh ? #1 seeds have never lost there is always a huge difference in talent from the 16 and 15 seeds.

[Masterofreality]

Seems everyone is expecting a matchup with West Virginia, but I am looking for a Holy War with Notre Dame in the Regional Semi-final.

Good we can relive the Tu Holloway high banker over Pat Connaughton again.

[vee4xu]

Seems everyone is expecting a matchup with West Virginia, but I am looking for a Holy War with Notre Dame in the Regional Semi-final.

One of my most favorite X game memories was when bourbonman and I were in Greensboro and watched X beat ND in overtime. The best part was the game ended shortly after midnight on St. Patrick's Day. Be the ball buster that I can, I looked at b-man and said loud enough for the ND fans around me to hear me say, "Happy St. Patrick's Day."

[Xavier]

Remember those who said it didn't matter between a 2 and a 1 seed?