2016 Coaching Carousel

[joe titan]

I thought I posted this earlier... can someone tell me why Mick Cronin is worth double what UNLV paid Lon Kruger?

Well not so much "worth" but today's market forces and Cronin's current earnings coax UNLV or anyone else to pay those numbers to entice Cronin to leave UC. Still seems an obvious ploy for contract extension rather than serious job hunting.

[xavierj]

Well not so much "worth" but today's market forces and Cronin's current earnings coax UNLV or anyone else to pay those numbers to entice Cronin to leave UC. Still seems an obvious ploy for contract extension rather than serious job hunting.

I still dont see this happening, due to his daughter, but the fact that he and the UC AD do not like each other, may factor in.

[paulxu]

Here's some unintentional humor from the UNLV board. I went there to see what they were saying about Mick. Not much, since the board I found wasn't very active. But I did find this gem. The bolded parts don't seem to jive.

Not that it matters, but Vegas may be the one place in the country that has more money than the Koch brothers. Not the school; the town.

[Masterofreality]

@GoodmanESPN 8m8 minutes ago
Been told by multiple sources Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin and UNLV are headed in the direction of a marriage. Talks still ongoing, though.

Hmmmm. "Marriage" in Las Vegas. Like Wedding Chapel crap NEVER happens there....and always lasts a lifetime.
I would say that at least one partner is getting F-ed in that relationship. :laugh:

[X-band '01]

Johnny Dawkins is no longer a candidate since he's going to Central Florida. Remember about 10 years ago when he was the can't-miss candidate from the Coach K coaching tree?

[Masterofreality]

Gotta post this here too because it is amazing.

http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2016/3/23/11292758/an-open-letter-to-unlv-in-regards-to-mick-cronin-head-coach-hire-dont-be-stupid?utm_campaign=bannersparkway&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[GIMMFD]

https://unlv.forums.rivals.com/threads/cronin.18162/

"I like Lavin, I really like his hair. Reminds me of Pat Riley or Rick Pitino, anyone who can grease their hair back stands out to me."
Sounds like they have some high standards at UNLV.

[XU-PA]

Gotta post this here too because it is amazing.

http://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2016/3/23/11292758/an-open-letter-to-unlv-in-regards-to-mick-cronin-head-coach-hire-dont-be-stupid?utm_campaign=bannersparkway&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

Comedy gold!

[waggy]

I see Mick as Tarks mini-me.

[XMuskieFTW]

Good news for us in terms of hopefully keeping Steele.

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 1m1 minute ago

Western Kentucky job is Rick Stansbury’s — "if he wants it," source told ESPN. Another source also said Stansbury will likely take it.

[paulxu]

I see Mick as Tarks mini-me.

http://i53.tinypic.com/25rh4kl.gif

[waggy]

Can't think of anyone that'd be a better Tark mini-me than Cronin, but Paul you're welcome to upload your photo if you have your heart set on it.

[paulxu]

Tark could coach.

[waggy]

Oh, so you didn't know what a mini-me was.

[outsideobserver11]

Some UC crock is claiming to "have it on good authority" that Mack interviewed for the Stanford job. Yet they are about to offer the job to the UAB coach, seems plausible right? :lol:

[Cheesehead]

Some UC crock is claiming to "have it on good authority" that Mack interviewed for the Stanford job. Yet they are about to offer the job to the UAB coach, seems plausible right? :lol:

The only thing attractive about the Stanford job is possibly the Pac 10 conference....well an perhaps the cash. It's will not be an easy place to win due to academic standards and you are second fiddle to football.

[LA Muskie]

Basketball certainly plays second fiddle to football (and always will) but you can ABSOLUTELY win at Stanford. Plus it's a gorgeous place to live and raise a family. It's a much, much better job than you're giving it credit for.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Muskie]

Basketball certainly plays second fiddle to football (and always will) but you can ABSOLUTELY win at Stanford. Plus it's a gorgeous place to live and raise a family. It's a much, much better job than you're giving it credit for.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

LA Muskie to Stanford confirmed.

[X-band '01]

LA Muskie = Jerod Haase

[Cheesehead]

Basketball certainly plays second fiddle to football (and always will) but you can ABSOLUTELY win at Stanford. Plus it's a gorgeous place to live and raise a family. It's a much, much better job than you're giving it credit for.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

This is fairly recent (2014) :
1. Alford: $2.6 million/yr
2. Arizona's Sean Miller: $2.2 million/yr (with $100,000 annual increase)
3. Oregon's Dana Altman: $1.8 million/yr
4. Washington's Lorenzo Romar: $1.7 million/yr
5. USC's Andy Enfield: $1.5 million/yr (reported)
5. Cal's Mike Montgomery: $1.5 million/yr
7. Arizona State's Herb Sendek: $1.2 million/yr
8. Oregon State's Craig Robinson: $950,000/yr
8. Utah's Larry Krystkowiak: $950,000
10. Stanford's Johnny Dawkins: $900,000/yr (estimate)
11. Washington State's Ken Bone: $850,000 (seven-year deal; unreal)
12. Colorado's Tad Boyle: $600,000/yr (give that man a raise!)

Since 1982:
Davis (Pac-10) (1982–1986)
1982-83 Tom Davis 14–14 6–12 8
1983–84 Tom Davis 19–12 8–10 5
1984–85 Tom Davis 11–17 3–15 10
1985–86 Tom Davis 14–16 8–10 5T
Davis: 58–59

Mike Montgomery (Pac-10) (1986–2004)
1986–87 Mike Montgomery 15–13 9–9 6
1987–88 Mike Montgomery 21–12 11–7 4 NIT Second Round
1988–89 Mike Montgomery 26–7 15–3 2 NCAA First Round
1989–90 Mike Montgomery 18–12 9–9 6 NIT First Round
1990–91 Mike Montgomery 20–13 8–10 5 NIT Champions
1991–92 Mike Montgomery 18–11 10–8 4 NCAA First Round
1992–93 Mike Montgomery 7–23 2–16 10
1993–94 Mike Montgomery 17–11 10–8 5 NIT First Round
1994–95 Mike Montgomery 20–9 10–8 5 NCAA Second Round
1995–96 Mike Montgomery 21–8 12–6 3 NCAA Second Round
1996–97 Mike Montgomery 22–8 12–6 2T NCAA Sweet Sixteen
1997–98 Mike Montgomery 30–5 15–3 2 NCAA Final Four
1998–99 Mike Montgomery 26–7 15–3 1 NCAA Second Round
1999–00 Mike Montgomery 27–4 15–3 1T NCAA Second Round
2000–01 Mike Montgomery 31–3 16–2 1 NCAA Elite Eight
2001–02 Mike Montgomery 20–10 12–6 2T NCAA Second Round
2002–03 Mike Montgomery 24–9 14–4 2 NCAA Second Round
2003–04 Mike Montgomery 30–2 17–1 1 NCAA Second Round
Montgomery: 393–167

Trent Johnson (Pac-10) (2004–2008)
2004–05 Trent Johnson 18–13 11–7 3 NCAA First Round
2005–06 Trent Johnson 16–14 11–7 4T NIT Second Round
2006–07 Trent Johnson 18–13 10–8 6 NCAA First Round
2007–08 Trent Johnson 28–8 13–5 2 NCAA Sweet Sixteen
Johnson: 80–48

Johnny Dawkins (Pac-10/Pac-12) (2008–present)
2008–09 Johnny Dawkins 20–14 6–12 9 CBI Semifinals
2009–10 Johnny Dawkins 14–18 7–11 8T
2010–11 Johnny Dawkins 15–16 7–11 7T
2011–12 Johnny Dawkins 26–11 10–8 7 NIT Champions
2012–13 Johnny Dawkins 19–15 9–9 6T NIT Second Round
2013–14 Johnny Dawkins 23–13 10–8 3T NCAA Sweet Sixteen
2014–15 Johnny Dawkins 24–13 9–9 5T NIT Champions
2015–16 Johnny Dawkins 15–15 8–10 9
Dawkins: 156–115

Total W/L Record: 1,535–1,152 (for program)

So, you can have some measure of success but I stand by the fact it is not one of the better jobs in the Pac 10. Slightly better than ASU

[GoMuskies]

What I get from this is you can win at Stanford....so long as your name is Mike Montgomery.

[BMoreX]

Cronin is staying put.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Cronin is staying put.

Woo-Hoo!!!

[Milhouse]

Winning 4 in a row against UC wouldn't have quite the affect if he wasn't there.

[xubrew]

"Second fiddle to football" is really something that you'll only hear basketball fans of schools without football programs say. Football, especially high caliber and high brand name football, is not detrimental to basketball. Oklahoma, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, and Oregon all have big time football programs and all are still playing. It's not like people have to pick between football and basketball. People care a lot about both when both are good. Football does more to boost basketball than it does to hold it back (and vice versa). A basketball program that has a large fan base of football fans to feed off of is hardly at a disadvantage.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Got this from bearcat lair

I am very very happy CMC has decided to stay. Now lets find a way to beat xu.pray

[THRILLHOUSE]

"‏@GeoffGrammer So, UNLV AD now saying on @ESPNLasVegas that Cronin verbally agreed to a deal and then never called back when he went home to Cincy."

L-O-L

[paulxu]

"‏@GeoffGrammer So, UNLV AD now saying on @ESPNLasVegas that Cronin verbally agreed to a deal and then never called back when he went home to Cincy."

L-O-L

How do you put a good face on that pile of dung.

[paulxu]

Hah.


Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN · 7m7 minutes ago

UNLV AD Tina Kunzer-Murphy on local radio says she offered Cincinnati’s Mick Cronin a contract. “He said he would take it.”

[BMoreX]

This is fascinating.

[BMoreX]

Cya Brian Gregory.

[American X]

"Second fiddle to football" is really something that you'll only hear basketball fans of schools without football programs say.

Texas A&M had a very successful basketball season and............................................... ................it has a football team.

[paulxu]

The ultimate pimp would be if Bobinski hired Miller.

[Masterofreality]

"‏@GeoffGrammer So, UNLV AD now saying on @ESPNLasVegas that Cronin verbally agreed to a deal and then never called back when he went home to Cincy."

L-O-L

I'm sure his radio show next year with a guy who he left sitting there for an hour by himself-Angry Dan Hoard- should be Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry entertaining next year!

[xu82]

Cya Brian Gregory.

Atlanta nightly news spent a good bit of time on this. Bobo asked if there was a clear view of where they wanted to go. NO, there was not. No mention of "we can finally afford to fire this loser", though the local sports guy pointed out how irrelevant the program is. I've been to a couple games, and I think I account for a significant percentage of their attendance.

[paulxu]

They still owe Hewitt more on his by out, and for longer, than they will Gregory.

[xubrew]

Texas A&M had a very successful basketball season and............................................... ................it has a football team.

Very true!

I believe the last team to win a national title that didn't play football at what would be considered a major conference level was UNLV in 1990. The last team to do it that didn't play at the 1A/FBS level was I think Villanova in 1985, and the last time a team won that didn't play football of any kind was Marquette in 1977.

I think top level basketball programs that don't have football are far more the exception than the rule. Football really does give athletic departments a huge advantage. It gets their school's brand out there on page one as early as August, and it also gets them out to their own fanbase and boosters. If you don't have football, you're brand name isn't out there at all until November, and it isn't on page one until January. When schools use football to sell basketball the way a lot of those schools do they definitely have an advantage.

[Juice]

The fact that Mick 1) Told them he would take the job and then didn't (which is probably up for debate) and 2) never even called the UNLV AD back to decline the job just shows what a chicken shit pansy he is.

[drudy23]

I'm sure his radio show next year with a guy who he left sitting there for an hour by himself-Angry Dan Hoard- should be Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrry entertaining next year!

???

Did he not show up for his own show?

[BandAid]

Very true!

I believe the last team to win a national title that didn't play football at what would be considered a major conference level was UNLV in 1990. The last team to do it that didn't play at the 1A/FBS level was I think Villanova in 1985, and the last time a team won that didn't play football of any kind was Marquette in 1977.

I think top level basketball programs that don't have football are far more the exception than the rule. Football really does give athletic departments a huge advantage. It gets their school's brand out there on page one as early as August, and it also gets them out to their own fanbase and boosters. If you don't have football, you're brand name isn't out there at all until November, and it isn't on page one until January. When schools use football to sell basketball the way a lot of those schools do they definitely have an advantage.

UConn doesn't count?

[Juice]

???

Did he not show up for his own show?

Yup, this week he was a no show.

[xu82]

Yup, this week he was a no show.

But.....if he's not there, how do we rip off his jersey?

[Juice]

But.....if he's not there, how do we rip off his jersey?

It doesn't matter. We can just say we did and the media will eat it up and pretend we did something.

[xu82]

It doesn't matter. We can just say we did and the media will eat it up and pretend we did something.

Ahhh, so obvious. I apologize.

[waggy]

Cronin is one dumb moe foe.

[xubrew]

UConn doesn't count?

They do. Good catch!

I think for that one year the American still had a tie in to a major bowl, but I did not factor that in. I actually kind of forgot about it. To your point, it was not a major football conference from any practical standpoint.

[Muskie]

Stallings to Pitt.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[GoMuskies]

Stallings to Pitt.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

So.....Pitt has just given up?

[Muskie]

So.....Pitt has just given up?

Well Stallings was a hot coach 7 years ago right??? Maybe they're turning back the clock?


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[X Factor]

Terrible decision by Pitt. Kinda like Wake hiring Bedzello a few years ago. Nothing to get excited over at all for Pitt.

[Juice]

Terrible decision by Pitt. Kinda like Wake hiring Bedzello a few years ago. Nothing to get excited over at all for Pitt.

It's a bad hire but it's not Bzdelik bad. Stallings has at least been to two Sweet 16s. Bzdelik has never seen the 2nd round of the tournament. Bzdelik also has an under .500 record in his college coaching career.

[GoMuskies]

I think it's more like K-State hiring Bruce Weber.

[Xavgrad08]

Saw this on twitter and thought it was funny.
Kevin Stallings would be a splash hire in that a bunch of people would jump out of buildings into the rivers.

[bleedXblue]

Very surprised that Pitt had a tough time getting more interest in their job. Pitts a good program and in the best conference in college basketball.

Strange.

Maybe Archie and others know more that we do. My guess is that he and others are waiting for Louisville, UNC, Duke and other "top" jobs that will come open in the next 2-3 years.

[sirthought]

UNLV has reached a deal with Arkansas-Little Rock's Chris Beard to become its new head coach. Might be a decent hire for them.

[JTG]

Very surprised that Pitt had a tough time getting more interest in their job. Pitts a good program and in the best conference in college basketball.

Strange.

Maybe Archie and others know more that we do. My guess is that he and others are waiting for Louisville, UNC, Duke and other "top" jobs that will come open in the next 2-3 years.

Pittsburgh is a miserable place to work unless you can walk to your job.

[Muskie]

UNLV has reached a deal with Arkansas-Little Rock's Chris Beard to become its new head coach. Might be a decent hire for them.
A much better hire than others they would considering in my opinion.

[GIMMFD]

Pittsburgh is a miserable place to work unless you can walk to your job.

The way their campus is set up is kind of weird, my sister lived downtown (next to Consol) so had to drive to class, the area by her apartment was absolutely beautiful, Shady Side is pretty cool in Pittsburgh, I think it would be a fun place to live, plus Primanti Brothers is delish!! I just don't understand why they would hire Stallings, but a lot of Pitt fans are rumbling that the AD was tight with Stallings (hired him to Vandy in 1999 I believe), and they used a search firm who's in with Stallings. You know what they say about search firms, you find your one network, and keep moving them around to other jobs.

[xubrew]

The way their campus is set up is kind of weird, my sister lived downtown (next to Consol) so had to drive to class, the area by her apartment was absolutely beautiful, Shady Side is pretty cool in Pittsburgh, I think it would be a fun place to live, plus Primanti Brothers is delish!! I just don't understand why they would hire Stallings, but a lot of Pitt fans are rumbling that the AD was tight with Stallings (hired him to Vandy in 1999 I believe), and they used a search firm who's in with Stallings. You know what they say about search firms, you find your one network, and keep moving them around to other jobs.

Read the rest of your post. You answered your own question. The AD likes Stallings, but didn't want to pull the trigger on his own so he hired a search firm that he knew would recommend Stallings.

What a world we live in!!

[bigdiggins]

The way their campus is set up is kind of weird, my sister lived downtown (next to Consol) so had to drive to class, the area by her apartment was absolutely beautiful, Shady Side is pretty cool in Pittsburgh, I think it would be a fun place to live, plus Primanti Brothers is delish!! I just don't understand why they would hire Stallings, but a lot of Pitt fans are rumbling that the AD was tight with Stallings (hired him to Vandy in 1999 I believe), and they used a search firm who's in with Stallings. You know what they say about search firms, you find your one network, and keep moving them around to other jobs.

Kept hearing the hype about primanti bros, and had the opportunity to try it for the first time last year on a business trip. Terrible. Apparently I did not get a good example as the fries they put on the sandwich are not supposed to be cold. But they were. I just don't know that I can psych myself for another attempt.

[LA Muskie]

I'm not aware of a relationship between Stallings and the AD. But the search firm they hired is owned and run by the former AD at Vandy who hired Stallings into that job.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[XUFan09]

Kept hearing the hype about primanti bros, and had the opportunity to try it for the first time last year on a business trip. Terrible. Apparently I did not get a good example as the fries they put on the sandwich are not supposed to be cold. But they were. I just don't know that I can psych myself for another attempt.

Yeah, Primanti Brothers isn't good. I lived in Pittsburgh for over two years, so I tried it. Then I thought maybe that was a singular bad experience, so a little later, I tried it again. Those first two times were in the restaurant, but then someone brought takeout, so I had a third opportunity to try it. I kinda wish I had bought something myself rather than receiving free food. I'm cool with the concept and I've had sandwiches with fries on them elsewhere (or just did it myself), but Primanti Brothers just isn't good at all. There's some good food in Pittsburgh, though, like pierogies at certain dive bars.

[GIMMFD]

Yeah, Primanti Brothers isn't good. I lived in Pittsburgh for over two years, so I tried it. Then I thought maybe that was a singular bad experience, so a little later, I tried it again. Those first two times were in the restaurant, but then someone brought takeout, so I had a third opportunity to try it. I kinda wish I had bought something myself rather than receiving free food. I'm cool with the concept and I've had sandwiches with fries on them elsewhere (or just did it myself), but Primanti Brothers just isn't good at all. There's some good food in Pittsburgh, though, like pierogies at certain dive bars.

Haha I guess I'm one of the few that actually really enjoyed Primanti the few times I had it, I think there is good food in Pittsburgh, and like I said, I enjoyed it as a city, I would possibly live there.


I'm not aware of a relationship between Stallings and the AD. But the search firm they hired is owned and run by the former AD at Vandy who hired Stallings into that job.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

That must be it, not the AD hiring him, they had a good hire in Chryst for football, but it's incredible what connections do you, Stallings is one of the few people that can underperform and in my opinion get a step up. The optimistic Pitt fans believe he'll be better, because he won't have to recruit under the academic regulations that Vanderbilt has, but in my opinion, I just don't see them holding their basketball athletes to the same level as a normal student, though I could be mistaken.

[X-band '01]

I don't think academics were a problem for Vandy baseball; they were national champs 2 years ago and runner-up last season.

[Xavgrad08]

Rick Stansbury has been hired as the new coach at Western Kentucky. Travis Steele was in the running for this job.

[paulxu]

Academics are no problem at UNC.

[joe titan]

Herb Sendek hired by Santa Clara.

[xu82]

Rick Stansbury has been hired as the new coach at Western Kentucky. Travis Steele was in the running for this job.

That's a tough situation. While I want what's best for Travis, I also want what makes ME happy, and he is a significant part of our success. He'll move on at some point. That's the way it works.....

[JTG]

I had to go to Pittsburgh for work once a month for 3 years. I actually like Primati Bros. maybe I just went to a good one. They are opening two in Indy this year. But driving in Pittsburgh is awful. Foe my job I had to drive around the Pittsburgh Metro area. Traffic is horrendous. I almost missed a plane and I left the far east side of Pittsburgh 3 hours ahead of time. It is easier to drive in Chicago. Stallings was ready to be shown the door at Vandy, and he lands an ACC job....go figure.

[XUFan09]

Pittsburgh has the most moronic traffic and road design I've ever seen in a major city. Just miserable.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[Masterofreality]

Pittsburgh has the most moronic traffic and road design I've ever seen in a major city. Just miserable.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

I've been doing a lot of work in Piss-burgh lately. There have been some big improvements in the road patterns there in recent years with much better expressways. Most of the problem with the old road patterns however, are geographic and topographic in nature. You can't really move rivers and big hills and tunnels and bridges are expensive. Is what it is. By the way, outsiders not familiar with Cincinnati city, might have the same gripe about where roads go there.

Meanwhile, who's gonna coach Vandy, and has YTG said or done anything stupid today yet?

[XUFan09]

I've been doing a lot of work in Piss-burgh lately. There have been some big improvements in the road patterns there in recent years with much better expressways. Most of the problem with the old road patterns however, are geographic and topographic in nature. You can't really move rivers and big hills and tunnels and bridges are expensive. Is what it is. By the way, outsiders not familiar with Cincinnati city, might have the same gripe about where roads go there.

Meanwhile, who's gonna coach Vandy, and has YTG said or done anything stupid today yet?
I agree that a lot of it is a consequence of geography, but the city seems like they resisted expressways or even faster roads for the longest time before starting to relent. Now they are playing catch-up, and it's painful. I just left in 2012, so I imagine there haven't really been groundbreaking changes since then.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[xudash]

I agree that a lot of it is a consequence of geography, but the city seems like they resisted expressways or even faster roads for the longest time before starting to relent. Now they are playing catch-up, and it's painful. I just left in 2012, so I imagine there haven't really been groundbreaking changes since then.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

I lived there for 15 years. Moved south in 1998.

Let's be honest: a lot of it isn't the consequence of geography, ALL OF IT is the consequence of geography - - if we're talking about everything comprising the Golden Triangle area. Hell, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is clueless when it comes to freeway systems. Pittsburgh isn't alone on this one. Schuylkill Expressway anyone?

[Masterofreality]

@STLToday- Travis Ford hired as new SLU coach

Another second rate hire for a second rate league...although maybe Ford is at his level in the A10

[GoMuskies]

Will Wade is sticking at VCU. I think Archie will be back at UD as well.

[XUFan09]

@STLToday- Travis Ford hired as new SLU coach

Another second rate hire for a second rate league...although maybe Ford is at his level in the A10

He's gotta be better than Crews.

[GoMuskies]

@STLToday- Travis Ford hired as new SLU coach

Another second rate hire for a second rate league...although maybe Ford is at his level in the A10

I think Ford will do well at SLU. He's not a bad coach.

[mohr5150]

I guess WLW was reporting today that Mack was interviewing for the GTECH job. I didn't hear it, but one of my wife's coworkers heard it and told her because he knew we were big fans. I haven't seen anything from any other source about this, and the fact that it is WLW means it could have been total speculation.

[drudy23]

Prolly just wanted to shoot the shit with Bobo on GT's dime.

[GoMuskies]

All the Atlanta media are reporting Mack as a "possible candidate" for the job, but there's nothing more substantial than that out there linking Mack to Tech.

[GIMMFD]

All the Atlanta media are reporting Mack as a "possible candidate" for the job, but there's nothing more substantial than that out there linking Mack to Tech.

I would be surprised, I think Tech is a step down honestly, over the last 10 years, which program would your rather be head coach of going by records and tournament play?

[GoMuskies]

I like money, so....

[GIMMFD]

I like money, so....

Is it that much of a severe increase in pay? I just feel like with ties to Cincinnati and what not, it would have to be a significant number...

[XUFan09]

Is it that much of a severe increase in pay? I just feel like with ties to Cincinnati and what not, it would have to be a significant number...
Yeah, I just can't see Georgia Tech offering the kind of money required, especially because they are currently paying for the two previous coaches.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[waggy]

SLU didn't do bad considering how bad they effed up the previous hire.

[Juice]

Yeah, I just can't see Georgia Tech offering the kind of money required, especially because they are currently paying for the two previous coaches.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

I read somewhere that they could offer around $2 million. That's obviously a pay increase for Mack, but I don't think large enough for him to want to leave.

[Juice]

SLU didn't do bad considering how bad they effed up the previous hire.

SLU is now saying that they have not hired anyone.

Rene Knott ‏@reneknottsports 41m41 minutes ago
SLU sent this statement tonight "Saint Louis University has not hired a men's basketball coach. The process is ongoing."

[GoMuskies]

Watch, now they'll hire Steve Lappas.

[xeus]

I guess WLW was reporting today that Mack was interviewing for the GTECH job. I didn't hear it, but one of my wife's coworkers heard it and told her because he knew we were big fans. I haven't seen anything from any other source about this, and the fact that it is WLW means it could have been total speculation.

Wait, you heard this from your wife, who heard it from some guy she works with, who heard it on the radio? That's awesome. I'm certain nothing was lost in translation in THAT game of telephone.

BTW, 700WLW is actually a very good news station, although I am sure you think they are all racist conservatives.

[xubrew]

SLU is now saying that they have not hired anyone.

Rene Knott ‏@reneknottsports 41m41 minutes ago
SLU sent this statement tonight "Saint Louis University has not hired a men's basketball coach. The process is ongoing."

Everything seems to be proceeding as normal in regards to SLU.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I guess WLW was reporting today that Mack was interviewing for the GTECH job. I didn't hear it, but one of my wife's coworkers heard it and told her because he knew we were big fans. I haven't seen anything from any other source about this, and the fact that it is WLW means it could have been total speculation.

Only national mention of Mack/GA Tech I could find was this tweet from Goodman last week:

@GoodmanESPN Mar 25
Look for Georgia Tech AD Mike Bobinski to swing at Xavier's Chris Mack and Dayton's Archie Miller. swing and a miss. But worth a shot.

[XUBob]

Over on the Georgia Tech board the thought is that Mack has privately said no. Not saying he isn't a candidate but it is common knowledge that the coaches started their post season meetings with the players yesterday. Again anything can happen but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of buzz re: Mack and Ga. Tech.

[bleedXblue]

Mack is too smart to take GA Tech. I do think he likely has a good relationship with Bobinski.

BTW, how can Dayton quickly extend Archie and Xavier has not stepped up and either extended Mack or increased his pay?

[Muskie]

Mack is too smart to take GA Tech. I do think he likely has a good relationship with Bobinski.

BTW, how can Dayton quickly extend Archie and Xavier has not stepped up and either extended Mack or increased his pay?

Mack got an extension last year didn't he? I mean I guess we could give him a VCU Wde 8 year extension that means nothing on paper...

[X-band '01]

Only national mention of Mack/GA Tech I could find was this tweet from Goodman last week:

@GoodmanESPN Mar 25
Look for Georgia Tech AD Mike Bobinski to swing at Xavier's Chris Mack and Dayton's Archie Miller. swing and a miss. But worth a shot.


Mack is too smart to take GA Tech. I do think he likely has a good relationship with Bobinski.

BTW, how can Dayton quickly extend Archie and Xavier has not stepped up and either extended Mack or increased his pay?

Archie Miller already got a contract extension from Dayton; maybe Mack flew in just for the sake of giving a glowing Archie Miller recommendation.

[Muskie]

SLU fans do not appear happy with Travis Ford...

[waggy]

What names are their fans throwing around?

[Muskie]

Bryce Drew and Stallings from what I could see... they seem to be upset that if they waited 18 days they could wait a few days for the NIT to be over.

[mohr5150]

Wait, you heard this from your wife, who heard it from some guy she works with, who heard it on the radio? That's awesome. I'm certain nothing was lost in translation in THAT game of telephone.

BTW, 700WLW is actually a very good news station, although I am sure you think they are all racist conservatives.

Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed? I said this was probably speculation. The fact that my wife's coworker heard it on WLW, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And what do my beliefs about WLW have to do with this? When she told me about it, she also gave me the news about Bluiett. I guess that doesn't count as accurate.

[bleedXblue]

Mack got an extension last year didn't he? I mean I guess we could give him a VCU Wde 8 year extension that means nothing on paper...

I guess I'm looking for anything that signals Mack's commitment to stay here and X's intent to pay him what he's worth.

[xavierj]

Did someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed? I said this was probably speculation. The fact that my wife's coworker heard it on WLW, doesn't mean it didn't happen. And what do my beliefs about WLW have to do with this? When she told me about it, she also gave me the news about Bluiett. I guess that doesn't count as accurate.

It was Bill Cunningham on the stooge report. That is all you need to know. He said of course Georgia Tech wants Mack. And that was the extent.

[mohr5150]

It was Bill Cunningham on the stooge report. That is all you need to know. He said of course Georgia Tech wants Mack. And that was the extent.

Thanks, XavierJ. Thank God you heard it, because it seems as if nothing can be heard from a third party and be legit. Again, I never said it was accurate. I even said it was very possible to be speculation. But, be very careful about saying anything negative about Bill Cunningham. He is a "Great American" who would never mislead the public for ratings' sake. He is hired by WLW, the most well-respected news agency in America. Tongue removed from cheek.

[Muskie]

Thanks, XavierJ. Thank God you heard it, because it seems as if nothing can be heard from a third party and be legit. Again, I never said it was accurate. I even said it was very possible to be speculation. But, be very careful about saying anything negative about Bill Cunningham. He is a "Great American" who would never mislead the public for ratings' sake. He is hired by WLW, the most well-respected news agency in America. Tongue removed from cheek.

Does he still have that "highly rated" Jerry Springer knock-off show on tv? If you think about it... a Jerry Springer Knock-off is an achievement in itself.

[Muskie]

If you believe rumors, Bobinski's first basketball hire at GT with be Bryce Drew as soon as next week.

[xubrew]

If you believe rumors, Bobinski's first basketball hire at GT with be Bryce Drew as soon as next week.

If true then that's a solid hire. He would be the best coach Georgia Tech has had in quite some time. I realize that's faint praise, but it's true.

[bleedXblue]

Anyone see USA Today ? It lists all the top coaches salaries. Miller's contract has been extended 5 times since 2009. Mack is definitely in the Top 30-40 salaries, but I think many of us believe he should be in the 2 MM range. Who knows, maybe the Sedler money is getting him close to that?

[paulxu]

If your school only had 2 NCAA wins in 25 years, you'd extend that guy's contract 5 times too.

[XUFan09]

Anyone see USA Today ? It lists all the top coaches salaries. Miller's contract has been extended 5 times since 2009. Mack is definitely in the Top 30-40 salaries, but I think many of us believe he should be in the 2 MM range. Who knows, maybe the Sedler money is getting him close to that?
I'm always suspicious of the numbers given, particularly due to the big divide in information disclosure for private vs. public institutions.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[GIMMFD]

I'm always suspicious of the numbers given, particularly due to the big divide in information disclosure for private vs. public institutions.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

Bingo, we know Mack is making more than what is reported, just not sure how MUCH more he's making. I would like to assume that we are paying him competitively, and if not, break out your checkbooks you old asses and donate ;)

[bleedXblue]

If your school only had 2 NCAA wins in 25 years, you'd extend that guy's contract 5 times too.

Sean Miller

[GoMuskies]

Sean Miller

???

[bleedXblue]

???

Sean Miller (not Archie) was the coach who's received 5 contract extensions since 2009.

[GoMuskies]

Gotcha. Nice work Sean! I assume getting annihilated by Wichita won't earn him a new one.

[xubrew]

Gotcha. Nice work Sean! I assume getting annihilated by Wichita won't earn him a new one.

Remember how much more dangerous Arizona is than Wichita though.

[GoMuskies]

Bryce Drew to Vandy after Gregg Marshall laughed at them.

[flatspat]

Scott Nagy from South Dakota St. to Wright St.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Bryce Drew to Vandy after Gregg Marshall laughed at them.

I thought Bobinski would have gone after Drew hard too. Is Vandy a better job than GT or did he not reach out? Bobo had to have reached out to Drew. Right?

[GoMuskies]

I thought Bobinski would have gone after Drew hard too. Is Vandy a better job than GT or did he not reach out? Bobo had to have reached out to Drew. Right?

According to Goodman, Drew picked Vandy over Tech.

Edit: Sorry, it was Parrish:

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS · 2h2 hours ago

FWIW … Bryce Drew is essentially picking Vanderbilt over Georgia Tech. He could’ve had either, I’m told.

[XUFan09]

Better chance of conference success at Vandy, if nothing else.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[sirthought]

I'd rather live and recruit around Nashville too!

[xu82]

I'd rather live and recruit around Nashville too!

HA! Beat me to it! I live in Atlanta and my son lives across the street from Vanderbilt. He wins that contest.

[xavierj]

Checking out Georgia Tech boards and they basically feel Bobinski has totally screwed this thing up going back to last year. They are not happy and will be really pissed if they end up with a medicore guy from Winthrop, their words. I think Mike could be on really thin ice if this does not work out. I think he is really good, so I think he makes it work and gets a good coach no one is thinking about or that no one feels he has a chance with.

[JTG]

Bryce Drew to Vandy after Gregg Marshall laughed at them.

I'm sorry Wichita State might be a good job but its still a hick conference.

[xavierj]

I'm sorry Wichita State might be a good job but its still a hick conference.

It will be interesting to see what Marshall is able to do next year.

[GoMuskies]

It will be interesting to see what Marshall is able to do next year.

I'm sure he'll do fine. His Shockers were a 5 seed in the NCAA Tournament the year before Baker and Van Vleet arrived.

[chico]

I'm sorry Wichita State might be a good job but its still a hick conference.

But Marshall can do better than Vandy if he wanted. Much better.

[bleedXblue]

But Marshall can do better than Vandy if he wanted. Much better.

He's got to be number 1 or 2 on every top job that's comes open. WSU pays him well over 2 MM a year.......

[xu82]

But Marshall can do better than Vandy if he wanted. Much better.

Very true. I like having Marshall out there to take some focus off of Mack when a true top notch job comes open. I tend to be a worrier. I also like Marshall a lot as he was very nice to my kids when they went to Winthrop hoops camps (which was a lot like day care for local kids - unlike the UNC camps which were all star type events, of course). Seemed like a genuinely nice guy.

[GoMuskies]

He's got to be number 1 or 2 on every top job that's comes open. WSU pays him well over 2 MM a year.......

It's over 3 million.

[Masterofreality]

I really hope Pat Kelsey gets the Georgia Tech job. He's done a damn good job building a program at a frontier outpost in South Carolina at Winthrop. (Sorry Paulie)

[GoMuskies]

Kelsey may get punished a bit for what Marshall did at Winthrop. Because of Marshall, it's clear what is possible there. Granted, Kelsey shouldn't get dinged too bad for not matching Gregg Marshall's success, but I can understand an AD not wanting to hire a guy who hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament yet. He's been tantalizingly close.

[Muskie]

I really thought Bobo was going to snag Bryce Drew.

[Juice]

I really thought Bobo was going to snag Bryce Drew.

I think Drew made the right choice with Vandy. Good school, good city in a so-so basketball conference that has tons of money because of football. But I would imagine it would be so much easier to get Vandy to the top of SEC right behind UK than it would be to compete with Duke, UNC, Louisville, Syracuse etc. every year for recruits and in league play.

[Muskie]

Agreed. As an Indiana native, it's a little sad to me that Bryce is leaving Valpo (I have many family members who live up there and the Drew family is revered).

[MADXSTER]

Vandy has under achieved IMO for years now. Lots of potential there.

[Masterofreality]

Vandy has under achieved IMO for years now. Lots of potential there.

Stallings was actually mentioned at a point as a candidate for the Xavier job in the past. Glad Bobo went a different direction.

[MADXSTER]

Yeah, Vandy would be the Georgetown of the SEC. Lots of top recruits and not to much to show for it. Plus both are great academic schools.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Apparently the Phoenix Suns have made Jay Wright their top target in their coaching search.

[Cheesehead]

Apparently the Phoenix Suns have made Jay Wright their top target in their coaching search.

I would be very surprised if he is interested. He is king there now and will likely get even more $$ from Nova.

[bleedXblue]

I would be very surprised if he is interested. He is king there now and will likely get even more $$ from Nova.

Well, the NBA can double your salary.

But, I think he's really happy at Nova and makes almost 3 MM a year. Hard to take the bait when you've seen so many successful college coaches go to the pros only to find out that its not so easy.

[GIMMFD]

Well, the NBA can double your salary.

But, I think he's really happy at Nova and makes almost 3 MM a year. Hard to take the bait when you've seen so many successful college coaches go to the pros only to find out that its not so easy.

Also helps that his wife is a Nova grad, and they stuck by him through his hardships earlier in his career. I think he rewards Villanova for the faith they put into him. Plus we can't lose the most GQ coach of our conference damnit.

[Juice]

Looks like LA Tech's women's program is going to need a new coach after Tyler Summitt (Pat Summitt's kid) impregnated one of his players.

http://www.swishappeal.com/2016/4/7/11389990/tyler-summitt-impregnates-former-player

[xu82]

Looks like LA Tech's women's program is going to need a new coach after Tyler Summitt (Pat Summitt's kid) impregnated one of his players.

http://www.swishappeal.com/2016/4/7/11389990/tyler-summitt-impregnates-former-player

I don't follow the women's game much, but I suspect that's frowned upon. What a friggin' mess!

[Juice]

I don't follow the women's game much, but I suspect that's frowned upon. What a friggin' mess!

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but having a 25 year old with a working penis and interest in the female gender coach women ages 18-22 seems like a bad idea.

[xu82]

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but having a 25 year old with a working penis and interest in the female gender coach women ages 18-22 seems like a bad idea.

I blame the working penis!

[Juice]

I blame the working penis!

Rumors are floating that it's this girl: http://www.latechsports.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/brooke_pumroy_973463.html

Played for him at Marquette then transferred when he took the La Tech job.

[xu82]

Rumors are floating that it's this girl: http://www.latechsports.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/brooke_pumroy_973463.html

Played for him at Marquette then transferred when he took the La Tech job.

Oh, this just gets worse and worse....

[X Factor]

Looks like LA Tech's women's program is going to need a new coach after Tyler Summitt (Pat Summitt's kid) impregnated one of his players.

http://www.swishappeal.com/2016/4/7/11389990/tyler-summitt-impregnates-former-player


Shocking...that he found a straight female basketball player to sleep with.

[waggy]

You don't know if she's straight.

[Juice]

You don't know if she's straight.

Well unless it was rape, at the very least she goes both ways.

[Juice]

Well unless it was rape, at the very least she goes both ways.

More craziness is emerging in the coaching world...

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 4m4 minutes ago
Georgia Tech and Memphis coach Josh Pastner are in discussions, a source told @CBSSports.


Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 1m1 minute ago
FYI: One of Josh Pastner’s former players thinks it’s happening. And this is the first time in 7 years I’ve been unable to reach Pastner.

[xu82]

More craziness is emerging in the coaching world...

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 4m4 minutes ago
Georgia Tech and Memphis coach Josh Pastner are in discussions, a source told @CBSSports.


Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 1m1 minute ago
FYI: One of Josh Pastner’s former players thinks it’s happening. And this is the first time in 7 years I’ve been unable to reach Pastner.

Living where I do, I was hoping for a hire that would inspire me to care a bit. This won't do it, at least initially. Not saying a bad hire, just personal preference. Maybe that's just the Calipari Curse.....

[Nigel Tufnel]

More craziness is emerging in the coaching world...

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 4m4 minutes ago
Georgia Tech and Memphis coach Josh Pastner are in discussions, a source told @CBSSports.


Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 1m1 minute ago
FYI: One of Josh Pastner’s former players thinks it’s happening. And this is the first time in 7 years I’ve been unable to reach Pastner.

WTF? Bobinski wouldn't do this, would he? Are there boosters in his ear? This makes no sense. Hopefully he's also hiring the associate HC.

[GIMMFD]

Remember when Josh Pastner was the next big thing? Yeah me either.

[xu82]

Remember when Josh Pastner was the next big thing? Yeah me either.

He's no Calipari!

(So he's got that going for him....)

[waggy]

IMO Bobinski made a mistake taking that job. GT owed too much money to a former coach, and had an existing coach with years on his contract that wasn't the answer either. And your trying to make headway in the ACC. If Pastner can't win in the AAAAACK, he sure as hell aint winning in the ACC.

[LA Muskie]

Despite the fact they are paying 2 coaches not to coach, aside from speculation I haven't seen evidence that his hands are financially tied. I think the much bigger elephant in the room is the ACC strength in basketball -- it's practically a Herculean task just to finish in the top half. And the odds of GTech ever finishing at the top of that conference are very, very low.

[waggy]

I think the evidence of the financial situation is that Gregory wasn't gone 2 years ago.

[LA Muskie]

I think you're letting the fact that he was a Dayton coach cloud your judgment. The industry has loved Gregory for years. For whatever reasons. I tend to doubt Bobo thought much of him, but he probably had to see for himself. Then again, if Bobo is seriously considering Pastner (as is being reported), I have to wonder whether his success at Xavier wasn't more a combination of him and the school, and not just merely his chops at picking coaches. Because the number of coaches whom I hold in less esteem is very, very small.

[LA Muskie]

The carousel has been largely quiet. For the most part, it's been retreads moving before they got fired (Dixon to TCU, Stallings to Vandy, possibly Pastner to GTech) or opportunistic mid-level jumps (Beard to UNLV, Drew to Vandy). It just seems too quiet, and the big "young" names -- Marshall, Mack, Archie -- have had virtually no play at all. I can't help but feel there are some shoes left to fall. The biggest being Pitino at Louisville. I've got no inside info -- none at all -- but something tells me things have been way too quiet...

[Masterofreality]

Rumors are floating that it's this girl: http://www.latechsports.com/sports/w-baskbl/mtt/brooke_pumroy_973463.html

Played for him at Marquette then transferred when he took the La Tech job.

Does it make any difference that she is from the trash dayton area?

I'll show myself out now.

[Masterofreality]

Oh, I'm back.

Chris Mack isn't going anywhere.

Archie is going to hang in until Beaknose finally gives it up at Oh-ho-ho State, I've heard.

Bobo going to Tech was a factor of him wanting to test himself in a full sport school situation with high level football. He had done everything at X that he could do including being Chairman of the Men's Basketball Committee. I'm happy for him and will always wish him well. He's in a tough financial spot at Tech, IMO. Pastner would be a ridiculous hire, but I'd rather see Bobo go with a younger guy like Kels who has Head Coach experience at a smaller school.

Gregory sucks, but he's always got that NIT championship to hang on to.

[GoMuskies]

Gregg Marshall is in his 50s and has been a head coach for 16 years. He's not young in any sense of the word.

[Milhouse]

I think Pastner is pretty proven what you get at this point...I agree I'd rather see him go with someone else. I dont think Kelsey is the answer though (and obviously I want him to succeed).

[GoMuskies]

Memphis is going to be so happy if Tech takes Pastner off their hands.

[Masterofreality]

Memphis Fans are rejoicing and ecstatic:

"Barring last minute hitch, Georgia Tech will name Josh Pastner head coach this morn. Memphis press conf to follow, per source. Story coming."

From the Memphis Commercial Appeal.

The Chris Mack to Memphis stories start in 3.....2.....1....

[xubrew]

Pastner is not a good coach. He rates somewhere between sub par and fair.

I do think Pastner is a really good guy. Unfortunately that's not really all that important, though.

This is very surprising. I really hope he does well at Tech, but I don't think he will. He's better than Gregory, but I don't think he's anywhere close to being as good as some of the guys they could have hired. Wright State just hired a much better coach in Scott Nagy.

[Masterofreality]

This blog posting by Mark Bradley is typical of the overblown hubris of people in Atlanta. I hate that town.

http://markbradley.blog.myajc.com/2016/04/08/if-tech-hires-josh-pastner-does-the-acc-tremble-or-snicker/

"And I don’t understand it. Tech plays in the ACC, is based in the A-T-L and shares a city with a slew of gifted recruits...."

[GoMuskies]

The Chris Mack to Memphis stories start in 3.....2.....1....


If Chris Mack really values money (and if so, fair enough), that might make some sense. Otherwise, obviously not.

[xubrew]

This blog posting by Mark Bradley is typical of the overblown hubris of people in Atlanta. I hate that town.

http://markbradley.blog.myajc.com/2016/04/08/if-tech-hires-josh-pastner-does-the-acc-tremble-or-snicker/

"And I don’t understand it. Tech plays in the ACC, is based in the A-T-L and shares a city with a slew of gifted recruits...."

As far as his comments go, I agree that Georgia Tech should be better than what they are. I mean, they should at least be as good as Georgia State, and in recent years, more often than not, they weren't.

Which raises the question of whether or not they considered Ron Hunter?? And, if not, then why not?? Is Hunter the best coach they could have gotten?? Probably not. Is he better than Josh Pastner?? Well, does anyone actually think that he's not??

GA Tech is in Atlanta, and is in the ACC, and they should be able to make themselves attractive to recruits, and they should be able to attract a decent coach. I'm not saying they should be considered elite, but I think it's fair to say that Georgia Tech should be better than what they are, and they could have hired a better coach than what they did. I don't really disagree with the premise of the blog post.

[LA Muskie]

If Chris Mack really values money (and if so, fair enough), that might make some sense. Otherwise, obviously not.

Agreed. "Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along."

[LA Muskie]

Gregg Marshall is in his 50s and has been a head coach for 16 years. He's not young in any sense of the word.

I know. That's why I put it in quotes. Couldn't think of the right word last night. But I should have said something more like "still rising".

[LA Muskie]

Oh, I'm back.

Chris Mack isn't going anywhere.

Archie is going to hang in until Beaknose finally gives it up at Oh-ho-ho State, I've heard.

Bobo going to Tech was a factor of him wanting to test himself in a full sport school situation with high level football. He had done everything at X that he could do including being Chairman of the Men's Basketball Committee. I'm happy for him and will always wish him well. He's in a tough financial spot at Tech, IMO. Pastner would be a ridiculous hire, but I'd rather see Bobo go with a younger guy like Kels who has Head Coach experience at a smaller school.

Gregory sucks, but he's always got that NIT championship to hang on to.

I agree Archie's waiting for something -- most likely OSU. I wonder if he knows something. He didn't even do the dance this year.

I also agree that it would take virtually a "dream job" for Mack to leave. I think he knows what he has here. And he seems to have the utmost respect for Wright, who can serve as a great role model/example that he can do it all here.

I love Bobo. Just and all-around, awesome guy. Still, this isn't his finest moment. And I still doubt it's a money thing. He went after Jeff Capel first -- obviously that was going to cost some cold hard cash.

[GoMuskies]

Why would Capel be expensive? That guy was a huge failure at Oklahoma. Seems he should be on the discount rack.

Pastner was a huge failure at Memphis, so he should be even cheaper, though.

[Juice]

Does it make any difference that she is from the trash dayton area?

I'll show myself out now.

I just saw a pic of his wife. His wife is 10 times better looking than his side chick. He's an idiot. Lost his job and most likely his wife, and now has to raise some little shit head.

[GoMuskies]

Tennessee women's program has lost its savior, too. He got all kinds of good publicity for how he handled his mom's dementia. That goodwill is obviously long gone.

[SM#24]

I'm all for giving people the benefit of the doubt but having a 25 year old with a working penis and interest in the female gender coach women ages 18-22 seems like a bad idea.
That was my first reaction. He's 25, if it's the girl noted in this thread, she's 22, nothing wrong or even creepy about it (until of course, you throw in the coach/player and marriage).

[XU 87]

IMO Bobinski made a mistake taking that job. GT owed too much money to a former coach, and had an existing coach with years on his contract that wasn't the answer either. And your trying to make headway in the ACC. If Pastner can't win in the AAAAACK, he sure as hell aint winning in the ACC.

Bobinski interviewed for numerous Big 5 jobs. This was the first one he got after several years of looking. And I think he tripled or maybe quadrupled his salary.

I agree though- Pastner is a bad hire. I'm surprised Bobinski hired him.

[SM#24]

As far as his comments go, I agree that Georgia Tech should be better than what they are. I mean, they should at least be as good as Georgia State, and in recent years, more often than not, they weren't.

Which raises the question of whether or not they considered Ron Hunter?? And, if not, then why not?? Is Hunter the best coach they could have gotten?? Probably not. Is he better than Josh Pastner?? Well, does anyone actually think that he's not??

GA Tech is in Atlanta, and is in the ACC, and they should be able to make themselves attractive to recruits, and they should be able to attract a decent coach. I'm not saying they should be considered elite, but I think it's fair to say that Georgia Tech should be better than what they are, and they could have hired a better coach than what they did. I don't really disagree with the premise of the blog post.

I agree, Ga Tech can be good and consistently good. They're never going to crack the upper echelon of Duke, UNC, Louisville on a regular basis, but they should be at least as good as UVa, ND, Pitt, NC St, Wake and should be better than Fla St, Miami, Clemson, BC, Va Tech. Basically consistently middle of the pack or better IMO which should regularly get them in the tournament.

[xubrew]

That was my first reaction. He's 25, if it's the girl noted in this thread, she's 22, nothing wrong or even creepy about it (until of course, you throw in the coach/player and marriage).

If he were Bobby Petrino's age, would that have made it better or worse??

My perception (take that for what it's worth) is that the younger guys are more likely to behave themselves than the older guys who feel like they're more untouchable. Obviously that wasn't the case here, but in general I think that's how it goes. I don't think it makes a whole lot of sense for an athletic department to decide they're not going to hire 24 and 25 year olds. Lot's of coaches start coaching at a young age. Lot's of support staff begin working at a young age as well. The vast majority of them keep it in their pants. It's not until they've been in the field a while that they start taking it out (footnote, Seinfeld).

[paulxu]

I wonder what the window is for a successful coach on the rise.
Matta stepped up after an E8 to OSU, and has been pretty successful.
Sean stepped up after an E8/S16 to Zona, and maybe it's too early to judge.
Marshall and Few seem content to remain below the top stage and just keep winning.

Is there a window to take the next step?
Shaka had a FF, but never made it out of the first weekend after that at VCU.
The FF reaps benefits in improved recruiting, but stuck in the first weekend gives pause.
He was maybe wise to take Texas.

Archie made the E8 and was hot. Yet not out of the first weekend after that...yet.
Is there a window...and when does it close for being hot and getting the next step?

[xubrew]

I wonder what the window is for a successful coach on the rise.
Matta stepped up after an E8 to OSU, and has been pretty successful.
Sean stepped up after an E8/S16 to Zona, and maybe it's too early to judge.
Marshall and Few seem content to remain below the top stage and just keep winning.

Is there a window to take the next step?
Shaka had a FF, but never made it out of the first weekend after that at VCU.
The FF reaps benefits in improved recruiting, but stuck in the first weekend gives pause.
He was maybe wise to take Texas.

Archie made the E8 and was hot. Yet not out of the first weekend after that...yet.
Is there a window...and when does it close for being hot and getting the next step?

I think the window is open so long as the coach keeps winning. Few's window certainly hasn't closed. I personally feel Shaka would have been fine for as long as he was at VCU. Yeah, they went out of the tournament early, but they were hardly ever inside the bubble before he got there, and they were still a regular in the top 25. I think that would have continued had he stayed, and the opportunities for him would have continued to be there.

I'm not so sure Pastner's window was ever open. Yeah, Memphis wins fewer games than he did when they started, but they're also in a tougher league. CUSA is two or three NIT teams (maybe), and the 10 Southland caliber teams. If Memphis were still in that league, they'd probably still be winning twenty games a year.

[Masterofreality]

CUSA may have been the most overrated League in History. I'd love to see where it would fall out now on all the computer rankings- probably about where the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is.

[paulxu]

I think with all the $ they saved on Pastner's contract, Memphis should hire Miller.

[xubrew]

CUSA may have been the most overrated League in History. I'd love to see where it would fall out now on all the computer rankings- probably about where the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAC is.

CUSA overrated?? Who the hell every rated it highly??

It's a crap league. The top of the league generally has a couple of NIT caliber teams (and by that I mean NIT caliber without the automatic bid), so it's better than the Southland, PL, NEC, ASun, etc, but we're still talking about the first place team being in the 13-14 seed range, and if the first place team doesn't win the auto bid, which they haven't the last two years, you're looking at a 14 or 15 seed.

I think it's actually below the Horizon League, Big West, and Summit League when it comes to basketball. Well, the top may be as good or better than the Summit, but the middle and bottom are worse than the Summit.

[XUFan09]

CUSA overrated?? Who the hell every rated it highly??

It's a crap league. The top of the league generally has a couple of NIT caliber teams (and by that I mean NIT caliber without the automatic bid), so it's better than the Southland, PL, NEC, ASun, etc, but we're still talking about the first place team being in the 13-14 seed range, and if the first place team doesn't win the auto bid, which they haven't the last two years, you're looking at a 14 or 15 seed.

I think it's actually below the Horizon League, Big West, and Summit League when it comes to basketball. Well, the top may be as good or better than the Summit, but the middle and bottom are worse than the Summit.
He might be referring to the old CUSA.

Sent from my SM-N920V using Tapatalk

[GoMuskies]

Old C-USA was pretty good, but I don't think it was ever particularly highly rated. That coincided with probably the lowest point of Louisville's program (other than the Cards' last year in C-USA when they went to the Final Four). Charlotte was actually a real program back then. SLU was pretty good most years. UC had no integrity, but they had some great teams. Memphis was pretty good on occasion. Even UAB managed to beat top-seeded Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament one year back then (a glorious cherry on top of a glorious weekend in Orlando!).

[X-band '01]

Old C-USA was pretty good, but I don't think it was ever particularly highly rated. That coincided with probably the lowest point of Louisville's program (other than the Cards' last year in C-USA when they went to the Final Four). Charlotte was actually a real program back then. SLU was pretty good most years. UC had no integrity, but they had some great teams. Memphis was pretty good on occasion. Even UAB managed to beat top-seeded Kentucky in the NCAA Tournament one year back then (a glorious cherry on top of a glorious weekend in Orlando!).

Who was UAB's star back then - Squeaky Johnson? It was one of the better nicknames I could remember.

[xubrew]

Speaking of CUSA not being good......

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball-news/4701297-donnie-tyndall-ncaa-sanctions-southern-miss-tennessee?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Masterofreality]

Jeff Boals, the last holdout of assistants for Beaknose is now the Head Coach at Stoney Brook.

That means that Toucan has lost all of his main assistants- John Groce, Boals, Alan Major, James Whitford....who were with him when he built is rep. The only one left last year was Boals, and Oh-ho-ho State has struggled. Obviously, The Beak has some challenges- player transfers, guys leaving early that screw up their academic scores, and now coaching departures.

Nose may decide to cash out earlier than he wanted to- espcially with a bad back.

"Hello area code 937? This is Columbus, Ohio calling. Can I have the number for the main Dump in town? I believe it has a V in front of it."

[Masterofreality]

Old C-USA was pretty good, but I don't think it was ever particularly highly rated. That coincided with probably the lowest point of Louisville's program (other than the Cards' last year in C-USA when they went to the Final Four). Charlotte was actually a real program back then. SLU was pretty good most years. UC had no integrity, but they had some great teams. Memphis was pretty good on occasion. Even UAB managed to beat top-seeded Kentucky).

In 1999 Conference USA was considered to be stronger than the Big 12. It was considered to be a Top 5 conference with Mike "Slime" Slive as Commissioner. 5 teams got invited to the NCAA that year. Not one made it out of the first weekend.

[GoMuskies]

Sounds like the Big East until this year.

[paulxu]

You forgot our S16 last year.

[Juice]

Jeff Boals, the last holdout of assistants for Beaknose is now the Head Coach at Stoney Brook.

That means that Toucan has lost all of his main assistants- John Groce, Boals, Alan Major, James Whitford....who were with him when he built is rep. The only one left last year was Boals, and Oh-ho-ho State has struggled. Obviously, The Beak has some challenges- player transfers, guys leaving early that screw up their academic scores, and now coaching departures.

Nose may decide to cash out earlier than he wanted to- espcially with a bad back.

"Hello area code 937? This is Columbus, Ohio calling. Can I have the number for the main Dump in town? I believe it has a V in front of it."

You expect assistants to turn down head coaching jobs?

[xu82]

You expect assistants to turn down head coaching jobs?

I certainly wouldn't. But if you're not 100% on your game, maybe you're not replacing them with guys of similar capabilities. It's like replacing the HC, but on a smaller scale. There's always risk, even at the assistant level. I don't know the whole story behind Thad's back (few do), but I know chronic back pain sucks the big one! Don't wish that on anyone.

[Masterofreality]

This is a funny list from a College BB writer: The names are his,the comments are mine.

"Some Early Names for Memphis:
Gregg Marshall No, just no.
Archie Miller Ha!
Bruce Pearl uh No
Andy Kennedy HaHa
Kevin Keatts Who?
Derek Kellogg HaHAHa, but please take him!
Kenny Payne Chuckle
Penny Hardaway" HAHaHaHa!

[LA Muskie]

CBS Sports is reporting that Pastner had a $10.6 NON-MITIGATED buyout. Which means they basically couldn't fire him. And that he knew it. So Memphis is paying him $1.25mm over 2 years to make up for his lower salary at GaTech. He was guaranteed more than $2.5mm/yr from Memphis for the next 4 years. So I'm guessing he's clocking in at about $2.1mm/yr at GaTech.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[paulxu]

He must have had a really good agent.

But...why leave Memphis? Why not just keep making the money...on the job or not?

I assume Bobo knows what he's doing though.

[Masterofreality]

He must have had a really good agent.

But...why leave Memphis? Why not just keep making the money...on the job or not?

I assume Bobo knows what he's doing though.

Security over more years.

Pastner beat the posse out of Dodge, Paulie. Memphis fans were actually setting up "GoFundMe" sites to collect money to pay his buyout.

[bleedXblue]

Bobo got his name, but he didn't get a coach. Pastner is awful.

[xu82]

Bobo got his name, but he didn't get a coach. Pastner is awful.

Maybe their target was the dreaded "Less Worse"?

[drudy23]

It's Georgia Tech...what great coach is going to Georgia Tech? Basketball purgatory. Very average program / very average coach. What did people expect more for Georgia Tech?

[paulxu]

Memphis fans were actually setting up "GoFundMe" sites to collect money to pay his buyout.

I've got time on my hands. I'm going to practice being a bigger a$$ on this board, get everyone mad at me, ya'll set up a gofundme and collect money and I'm history.

https://youtu.be/74BzSTQCl_c

ps. how the heck do you insert the video directly into your post like you guys do with the music videos. I've tried all the insert things above the message body.

[waggy]

Paul, don't use the address youtube provides... Instead copy the address bar at the top of internet explorer (or whatever browser you use). Paste that into the video pop-up here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74BzSTQCl_c&feature=youtu.be

[xubrew]

This is a funny list from a College BB writer: The names are his,the comments are mine.

"Some Early Names for Memphis:
Gregg Marshall No, just no.
Archie Miller Ha!
Bruce Pearl uh No
Andy Kennedy HaHa
Kevin Keatts Who?
Derek Kellogg HaHAHa, but please take him!
Kenny Payne Chuckle
Penny Hardaway" HAHaHaHa!

Out of all the guys on this list, Keats is a very realistic choice and a really good choice. He's UNC Wilmington's coach, and he's done VERY well there.

Let me put it this way, had Georgia Tech hired Keats, I would have thought that Bobo made a really good hire. I think that's the kind of guy they COULD have gotten. Which, makes me wonder why in the world they went with the guy they did. If Memphis gets him, then good for Memphis.

[paulxu]

Thanks Wags. It worked when I tried it this time.

[sirthought]

I wonder if U of Memphis might have actually called a favor in to Bobo? I mean, could they have dangled something towards the Ga Tech program to say "get this guy off our books"?

It's such a weird time for athletic programs and the money being thrown around is stupid, but it's not like they seem to stop with the even more stupid decisions. I can't really see Pastner being any worse or better than Gregory, but how negative could Gregory have been to think Pastner is a solution?

For Ga Tech to rise above in that league they are going to need to be really lucky with some assistent coach who's there to take over at the right place/right time sort of deal and work magic with recruits. I don't see top prospects wanting to go there to fight it out with being third behind UNC/Duke every year, when there are plenty of other programs that have won so much better in the past decade.

[GIMMFD]

Tubby Smith linked with Memphis, not that would be a great hire, he hasn't done terrible with his time in Texas Tech, and honestly, he could get some good recruits in there and lead Memphis back to a contender. Thoughts?

[Masterofreality]

Tubby Smith linked with Memphis, not that would be a great hire, he hasn't done terrible with his time in Texas Tech, and honestly, he could get some good recruits in there and lead Memphis back to a contender. Thoughts?

Meh. I expect him to go. Lubbock is the outback of America.

[paulxu]

I still hope Archie goes to Memphis so I can enjoy the off season meltdown.

[X-ceptional]

Tubby to Memphis, it's "official" (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632662-tubby-smith-reportedly-will-be-named-memphis-basketball-head-coach)

[XU 87]

Tubby to Memphis, it's "official" (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632662-tubby-smith-reportedly-will-be-named-memphis-basketball-head-coach)

After reading that article, I again shake my head that Bobinski hired Pastner. What was he thinking?

[GoMuskies]

Tubby is a huge upgrade for Memphis. Memphis is the biggest winner in this year's coaching carousel so far.

Well, maybe Pastner is the biggest winner. He keeps getting paid for at least five more years for some reason.

[xubrew]

Tubby Smith linked with Memphis, not that would be a great hire, he hasn't done terrible with his time in Texas Tech, and honestly, he could get some good recruits in there and lead Memphis back to a contender. Thoughts?

Tulsa was a top 25 program when Tubby was there, which they're normally not.

Georgia was a top 20 program when Tubby was there, which they're normally not.

Minnesota was an NCAA tournament caliber program that made the second round when Tubby was there, which almost never happens. They got rid of him because they thought they could get Shaka Smart. Yeah, that worked out. Nice going Minney!!

Texas Tech was COMPLETE dogshit when he took it over, and in a very short time he had them in the NCAA Tournament.

I personally think Tubby Smith is an OUTSTANDING basketball coach and can't figure out why people don't think he's great. With the exception of Kentucky (where he did win a national title and earn multiple #1 seeds) everywhere he's been has been better than what they normally are when he was there, and it's actually not even close.

GREAT hire for Memphis if it works out.

[muskiefan82]

Tulsa was a top 25 program when Tubby was there, which they're normally not.

Georgia was a top 20 program when Tubby was there, which they're normally not.

Minnesota was an NCAA tournament caliber program that made the second round when Tubby was there, which almost never happens. They got rid of him because they thought they could get Shaka Smart. Yeah, that worked out. Nice going Minney!!

Texas Tech was COMPLETE dogshit when he took it over, and in a very short time he had them in the NCAA Tournament.

I personally think Tubby Smith is an OUTSTANDING basketball coach and can't figure out why people don't think he's great. With the exception of Kentucky (where he did win a national title and earn multiple #1 seeds) everywhere he's been has been better than what they normally are when he was there, and it's actually not even close.

GREAT hire for Memphis if it works out.

Look at what Kentucky got after Tubby was ousted. That was also a mistake that hurt that program for a couple years.

[xubrew]

Look at what Kentucky got after Tubby was ousted. That was also a mistake that hurt that program for a couple years.

Tubby was hated by the fans, but the athletic department loved him. He wasn't ousted. He left. And...I don't blame him.

[muskiefan82]

Tubby was hated by the fans, but the athletic department loved him. He wasn't ousted. He left. And...I don't blame him.

The fans control UK. He was ousted by them. Hope the fans enjoyed the Gillespie years. Good Lord.

[Masterofreality]

With this, no doubt that Bobo f-ed up. I'm sure "Search Firms" were involved with the Pastner hire, but c'mon, Mike. You're the AD. Think a bit and see that Tubby would probably be interested.

Oh well, not our problem......errrrr, ahhhhhh.......Chris Mack to Texas Tech in 3.....2.....1.....(per Jeff Goodman:laugh:)

[paulxu]

Well, maybe Pastner is the biggest winner.

Don't forget Hewitt. Somebody is still paying him.

[X-man]

Tubby was hated by the fans, but the athletic department loved him. He wasn't ousted. He left. And...I don't blame him.

A big reason why Tubby was disliked by UK fans was the fact that he had his son running the team at PG. His son sucked by all accounts.

[GoMuskies]

Dee Davis was a poor man's Saul Smith.

[nuts4xu]

A big reason why Tubby was disliked by UK fans was the fact that he had his son running the team at PG...

There is that, and also because UK fans hate brown skinned people.

[xubrew]

There is that, and also because UK fans hate brown skinned people.

We all thought it, but you said it!!

[paulxu]

I'm going to buy a motorcycle. Then get a mistress (don't tell mspaulxu).

Then I'm going out, put her on the back of my motorcycle, and run into a ditch.

Then I'm going back to Louisville to get a $30 million extension.

[GoMuskies]

I'm going to buy a motorcycle. Then get a mistress (don't tell mspaulxu).

Then I'm going out, put her on the back of my motorcycle, and run into a ditch.

Then I'm going back to Louisville to get a $30 million extension.

Somewhere in there you're going to want to become one of the best football coaches in the country.

[Cheesehead]

[QUOTE=paulxu;552906]I'm going to buy a motorcycle. Then get a mistress (don't tell mspaulxu).

Then I'm going out, put her on the back of my motorcycle, and run into a ditch.

Then I'm going back to Louisville to get a $30 million extension.[/QUOE]

Exactly. Louisville has two scumbag head coaches. If I were an alum I would be embarrassed by their lack of integrity.

[xubrew]

I'm going to buy a motorcycle. Then get a mistress (don't tell mspaulxu).

Then I'm going out, put her on the back of my motorcycle, and run into a ditch.

Then I'm going back to Louisville to get a $30 million extension.


If you can do that and get $30 million, then I'm sure Ms PaulXU will forgive you.

I must say that this sounds like a very solid foolproof plan! Good thinking!!

[XU 87]

Nothing like leaving your new coaching job before ever coaching a practice or game.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/2016/04/15/jilted-altar-cronin-unlv-may-divorce-early-beard/83068042/

[xubrew]

Nothing like leaving your new coaching job before ever coaching a practice or game.

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/2016/04/15/jilted-altar-cronin-unlv-may-divorce-early-beard/83068042/

I think this looks worse than what it really is. Beard will get creamed in the press, and understandably so, but he has strong ties to Texas Tech and UNLV knew that when they hired him. I don't begrudge him that. But, then again, I'm not the one that hired him just over a week ago, so that's easy for me to say.

[GoMuskies]

Here's my thought: anyone who would prefer living in Lubbock, TX over Las Vegas is a HORRIBLE fit at UNLV anyway. So the Rebs probably dodged a huge bullet.

[XU 87]

I think this looks worse than what it really is. Beard will get creamed in the press, and understandably so, but he has strong ties to Texas Tech and UNLV knew that when they hired him. I don't begrudge him that. But, then again, I'm not the one that hired him just over a week ago, so that's easy for me to say.

I see he was an assistant at Tech for about 10 years. But leaving your new job after two weeks.............

[X-band '01]

Not quite the same as Dana Altman (at Arkansas) and Billy Donovan (at Orlando) both doing 180s after a day on the job, but it would be hilarious to see UNLV trying to get on bended knee to approach Mick Cronin again.

[Juice]

Not quite the same as Dana Altman (at Arkansas) and Billy Donovan (at Orlando) both doing 180s after a day on the job, but it would be hilarious to see UNLV trying to get on bended knee to approach Mick Cronin again.

I think they'd look at Marvin Menzies again.

[THRILLHOUSE]

‏@DanWolken
Breaking exclusive @usatoday: George Karl interested in UNLV job, already in contact with school

[Juice]

‏@DanWolken
Breaking exclusive @usatoday: George Karl interested in UNLV job, already in contact with school

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 18m18 minutes ago
UNLV’s Chris Beard has agreed to a 5-year deal to become the head coach at Texas Tech, multiple sources told ESPN.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 18m18 minutes ago
UNLV’s Chris Beard has agreed to a 5-year deal to become the head coach at Texas Tech, multiple sources told ESPN.

yes, we already knew that. My post was about the new opening at UNLV and George Karl allegedly in the running for it.

[Juice]

yes, we already knew that. My post was about the new opening at UNLV and George Karl allegedly in the running for it.

Got it, dude. Just pointing out that it was being officially announced.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Got it, dude. Just pointing out that it was being officially announced.

Gotcha. Thought you were trying to correct me since you did a quote reply. My bad...

[GIMMFD]

It seems like George Karl has been trying to get fired from the Kings for the entire season, especially after the entire Demarcus Cousins debacle, I wonder how he would transition to the college game, he'd be an interesting coach, obviously knows what it takes to get prospects to the NBA, but could he relate with recruits?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

With Findlay Prep right in town he won't really have to. Findlay has been a UNLV feeder for a while. Hiring Karl should keep their top 100 in 2016 to stick around.

Are they losing anyone else besides Zimmerman and their seniors?

[Juice]

With Findlay Prep right in town he won't really have to. Findlay has been a UNLV feeder for a while. Hiring Karl should keep their top 100 in 2016 to stick around.

Are they losing anyone else besides Zimmerman and their seniors?

They basically have no team as of right now.

[xu82]

They basically have no team as of right now.

That sounds like an opportunity!

(Said the Bills fan...)

[LA Muskie]

I see he was an assistant at Tech for about 10 years. But leaving your new job after two weeks.............

In Beard's defense, he wasn't formally hired by UNLV yet, as the Board of Regents had not yet approved his contract. I like to think of this as yet another self-inflicted wound by UNLV. I mean seriously--from firing Rice to botching the Cronin hire to hiring-but-not-hiring-then-losing Beard, could they have managed this any worse???

[xu82]

In Beard's defense, he wasn't formally hired by UNLV yet, as the Board of Regents had not yet approved his contract. I like to think of this as yet another self-inflicted wound by UNLV. I mean seriously--from firing Rice to botching the Cronin hire to hiring-but-not-hiring-then-losing Beard, could they have managed this any worse???

Not without bringing in an actual dumpster to set on fire at the press conference(s). Someone need to take a close look at the people doing the hiring. Yikes!

[sirthought]

I think it was fortunate that this whole mess was early enough that Beard never really got a system into effect. It's *almost* no harm no foul. Just a PITA for the UNLV AD, but that's how it goes in the big leagues sometimes.

I think Cronin really seriously considered the position, as he's known to have lots of friends in Vegas and has been spending time there for years. I think he ultimately didn't want to deal with his daughter being pulled far from her current situation. I actually respect that.

UNLV will find their guy and I'm guessing now there might be some opportunities that cause more people to consider what is there to offer down the road. Right now, it's a major rebuild project, so it might be more attractive to someone like Karl who is likely near the end of his career and isn't looking to move up quickly.

[xubrew]

In Beard's defense, he wasn't formally hired by UNLV yet, as the Board of Regents had not yet approved his contract. I like to think of this as yet another self-inflicted wound by UNLV. I mean seriously--from firing Rice to botching the Cronin hire to hiring-but-not-hiring-then-losing Beard, could they have managed this any worse???

Yes. They could have hired Frank Haith.

[GoMuskies]

Yes. They could have hired Frank Haith.

Or Josh Pastner. That's right. UNLV's AD is STILL going to come out of this offseason ahead of Bobinski in the competency department.

[Masterofreality]

New Mexico State's Marvin Menzies will be UNLV's new coach.

[paulxu]

For today.

[xu82]

As far as we know.