Officials don't like Jalen

[Snipe]

I didn't listen to the post game, and I didn't hear the radio call of the play.

Was there any more info on the technical to Jalen? WTF was that? Did he even say anything?

At this point I would not be surprised if they T'ed up Jalen for flexing while running down the court after a dunk.

Did I miss something? We had the press on, so Jalen hit the three throw after the three point play and then realized he had to come to the baseline to front the press. That is what I thought I saw.

What did you see? WTF was that?

Not that it matters, but I am curious.

[bleedXblue]

I thought it was completely deserved. He ran up and got into the face of an opposing player.

This after we cut the lead to 11 with about 5 minutes left. Dumb.

[X-Fan]

I thought it was completely deserved. He ran up and got into the face of an opposing player.

This after we cut the lead to 11 with about 5 minutes left. Dumb.
Potentially deserved, but could have easily been looked past. Agree, it was really dumb though.

[xu82]

He came back to "defend" someone (Trevon?). It was dumb, and just one more case of shooting ourselves in the foot to make sure we couldn't fight back into the game. That happened a lot....

[Cheesehead]

It was a very weak technical but also Jalen being Jalen.

[xu82]

Agree it was very weak. Wonder what he said, or did the ref just freak out?

[Lloyd Braun]

He made Whitehead his bitch and the refs recognized a volatile situation. How would you feel if your teammate got t-bagged and posterized? Not good. It caused some chirping and Jalen was pumped up. It was the only positive moment of the day for X, and the only time I hit rewind... to see the look on Whitehead's face before impact. And to see the look on Ed and Remy's face after.

[paulxu]

Well, I hope someone clears this up by telling me what he said.

Otherwise, coming back to press and speaking to an opponent doesn't deserve a technical.

That's chicken sh$t to say the least.

[bleedXblue]

Well, I hope someone clears this up by telling me what he said.

Otherwise, coming back to press and speaking to an opponent doesn't deserve a technical.

That's chicken sh$t to say the least.

Running up and getting into the face of an opponent is gonna get you T'd up almost every time? I really wonder what people watch and see sometimes.

[Juice]

Running up and getting into the face of an opponent is gonna get you T'd up almost every time? I really wonder what people watch and see sometimes.

He wasn't even really in his face. It was harmless. Separate them and move on. It was that easy.

[paulxu]

Well, I was watching, and it didn't look like he made a beeline to a player to get into his face.

Maybe I was drunk. Possible.

[Backyard Champ]

Nah, I thought it was a horrible tech call. He's actually has quite a few bad ones called on him IMO.

[bleedXblue]

He wasn't even really in his face. It was harmless. Separate them and move on. It was that easy.

What was harmless was the exchange between Blueitt and Whitehead that made Jalen run in to "defend" his teammate.......

[BandAid]

He didn't get into anyone's face. He stopped about a foot short. The official got scared.

[OTRMUSKIE]

What was harmless was the exchange between Blueitt and Whitehead that made Jalen run in to "defend" his teammate.......

I would have to see it again but whitehead elbowed Trey pretty hard. Jalen beelined then stopped. He was about to go H.A.M. then collected his thoughts then got the technical. BS call and it didn't cost us the game. Being down 19 is what cost us the game. Missing easy shots cost us the game. Hall finding a way to score inside cost us the game.

[TUclutch]

Running up and getting into the face of an opponent is gonna get you T'd up almost every time? I really wonder what people watch and see sometimes.

You should be talking about yourself because that technical was garbage. Separate them and move on. Wouldn't have mattered anyway. They weren't coming back

[LA Muskie]

Things don't happen in a vacuum. Jalen has EARNED himself a reputation. That may not sound fair but it's reality. He's on a shorter leash. He knows it. Shit like that just can't happen. Period.


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[Juice]

What was harmless was the exchange between Blueitt and Whitehead that made Jalen run in to "defend" his teammate.......

Your characterization of what happened isn't accurate and completely exaggerates the event. Young men playing basketball in a competitive game are going to have words with each other and emotions are going to run high. We all don't have to pretend like it's the end of the world.

[XMuskieFTW]

He didn't get into anyone's face. He stopped about a foot short. The official got scared.

This. And we were going to press the inbound and it was his job to get up on the guy. Thought it was 100% weak. Another T for Jalen simply because he is Jalen and not because it actually warranted one.

[bleedXblue]

It does amaze me the number of apologists we have for Jalen. We've all been watching this act for 3 years now. It should surprise no one at all. Look, I like Jalen and want him to do well. He's earned the situation he's has. Anything close to being a technical is going to get called on him.

We should be talking about his play....which continues to be well below the level we all anticipated this year.

[X-man]

It was borderline, but I didn't hear what was said. Whitehead gave Blueitt a shove, and he could have gotten a foul for that. Jalen saw it and ran back towards Whitehead. He did not come close to making any contact, so he must have said something. But IMHO Whitehead should have been called for a shove. The game might have ended differently had that happened.

[XUMIOH12]

i dont think reynolds deserved a T there. Regardless it had nothing to do with if we were going to win or not. We gave Seton Hall way too many easy opportunities.

[ammtd34]

Garbage technical. He wasn't "in his face." How is running toward someone and stopping more deserving of a technical than Trevon actually getting pushed? It was a terrible call.

[xu82]

It was borderline, but I didn't hear what was said. Whitehead gave Blueitt a shove, and he could have gotten a foul for that. Jalen saw it and ran back towards Whitehead. He did not come close to making any contact, so he must have said something. But IMHO Whitehead should have been called for a shove. The game might have ended differently had that happened.

I agree with the part about the shove. That was more deserving than Jalen running up to the action. But there were maybe a half dozen opportunities for us to claw our way back into the game late. If they had all gone our way, we might have been right there. Unfortunately, they ALL went against us. A turnover here, a dumb foul there, a T, etc. The Technical alone wasn't going to change things, but it was just one more straw.

[muethibp]

It does amaze me the number of apologists we have for Jalen. We've all been watching this act for 3 years now. It should surprise no one at all. Look, I like Jalen and want him to do well. He's earned the situation he's has. Anything close to being a technical is going to get called on him.

We should be talking about his play....which continues to be well below the level we all anticipated this year.


Things don't happen in a vacuum. Jalen has EARNED himself a reputation. That may not sound fair but it's reality. He's on a shorter leash. He knows it. Shit like that just can't happen. Period.


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These guys get it.

These refs are just human beings - the kind of people, like all of us, that like - and are more inclined to help - people at work who are kind, courteous, and make the job easier. We should fully expect, after years of on court antics, for calls to go against Jalen.

[BandAid]

How many techs does Jalen have this year? I can't recall any others off the top of my head. He's done a much better job of controlling his emotions.

[mistabeecee41]

I don't even think Jalen "ran" up to Delgado. He walked, didn't say anything. I think what got the T was when he grabbed the ball out of Delgado's hands.

It was a bonehead move - but let's be honest, we weren't making a comeback regardless. Blame Myles and Tre for laying duds for 35 minutes before putting this on Jalen.

[sgarcia]

How many techs does Jalen have this year? I can't recall any others off the top of my head. He's done a much better job of controlling his emotions.

I would say that's at least his 3rd this year if you count double T's as one. I was at the other end of the court so I have no idea why he got called for a T. Sad since we finally cut it to 10 and even though the game was still likely over it killed any small chance we had of coming back.

[XU 87]

I thought Jalen was "running up" because Jalen was playing on the inbounds position on the press.

[XUMIOH12]

I thought Jalen was "running up" because Jalen was playing on the inbounds position on the press.

i think it was a combination. Initially, i thought he was just running up to defend the inbounds pass. But, in the replay you can see him talking while he is walking over.

[XU 87]

i think it was a combination. Initially, i thought he was just running up to defend the inbounds pass. But, in the replay you can see him talking while he is walking over.

No doubt that Jalen was talking when he got up there. I'm just saying that he had a reason for being where he was on the court.

[XUMIOH12]

No doubt that Jalen was talking when he got up there. I'm just saying that he had a reason for being where he was on the court.

oh yeah, theres no doubt he had a reason to walk up there, he was going to defend the pass and decided to get a few words in on the way. He probably didnt deserve the T, but like we all know, it didnt matter if he got it or didnt, we were losing the game anyways.

[Nigel Tufnel]

What I found pretty interesting was when Macura fouled out. He was clearly set and it didn't look like a block. After the ref called him for a block, he tried to help Macura up. Macura declined taking his hand...at that point, the ref put his whistle in his mouth and looked like he was getting ready to T up JP because he didn't take his hand. Glad he didn't...but the fact that he was getting ready to was pretty troubling.

[XUMIOH12]

What I found pretty interesting was when Macura fouled out. He was clearly set and it didn't look like a block. After the ref called him for a block, he tried to help Macura up. Macura declined taking his hand...at that point, the ref put his whistle in his mouth and looked like he was getting ready to T up JP because he didn't take his hand. Glad he didn't...but the fact that he was getting ready to was pretty troubling.

for some reason, some refs look for reasons to give out a T, instead of giving one when something noticeable happens.

[XUMIOH12]

What I found pretty interesting was when Macura fouled out. He was clearly set and it didn't look like a block. After the ref called him for a block, he tried to help Macura up. Macura declined taking his hand...at that point, the ref put his whistle in his mouth and looked like he was getting ready to T up JP because he didn't take his hand. Glad he didn't...but the fact that he was getting ready to was pretty troubling.

no reason to even think about giving Macura a T there. Ref should have realized he blew the call and let it be.

[nuts4xu]

The officials definitely look for Jalen to say or do something to give him a T, I agree with Snipe...they don't like the smooth Cold Play loving, massive dunking, flexing antics of Jalen Reynolds.

And if that is the way they want it, that's fine. I don't know about Jalen, but I really don't like the refs either. I am not a fan of any of them, and I take every chance I get to let them know their shortcomings. College refs are mostly terrible, and they can go f**k themselves if they don't like my man Jalen. They can eat a giant bag of dicks!

Throw it down big man!!

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[UCGRAD4X]

What I loved was the way the announcers clicked their tongues in saying Jalen needs to temper his emotions - and spent most of the rest of the telecast praising the SH for playing with such emotion.

[ammtd34]

When the announcers said a technical was called, I assumed it was be on Seton Hall for pushing Trevon, which would have been bogus, but at least it happened. A technical for saying something after your teammate got pushed is a horrible call.

[scoscox]

When the announcers said a technical was called, I assumed it was be on Seton Hall for pushing Trevon, which would have been bogus, but at least it happened. A technical for saying something after your teammate got pushed is a horrible call.

Exactly what I was going to say. I thought it was going to be on Seton Hall when it was called as well. I couldn't believe they called it on us. Jalen moved to go face to face with one of their guys, but was just talking, which was stupid, but if anyone did anything to warrant a technical it should've been Seton Hall. Either way just don't call anything there.

[XUMIOH12]

When the announcers said a technical was called, I assumed it was be on Seton Hall for pushing Trevon, which would have been bogus, but at least it happened. A technical for saying something after your teammate got pushed is a horrible call.

i too, thought that it was going to be on seton hall, then when they said reynolds, i tohught it would at least be a double T, but it was the worst possible call out of those options.

[TUclutch]

I don't even think Jalen "ran" up to Delgado. He walked, didn't say anything. I think what got the T was when he grabbed the ball out of Delgado's hands.

It was a bonehead move - but let's be honest, we weren't making a comeback regardless. Blame Myles and Tre for laying duds for 35 minutes before putting this on Jalen.

Thats what I thought at first, but the T is called a few seconds before that by the official behind the 3 point line(you can see him come in from bottom left corner of the screen). No way he could hear what Jalen said and it was before he took the ball. Garbage

[X-band '01]

Jalen not only got in the Seton Hall player's face, he took the ball out of his hands in frustration. That's more than enough cause for a T right there. What made it more infuriating was Xavier getting the deficit down to 10 at that point; it killed any chance the Musketeers had to get some momentum for the final 4 minutes.

At the end of the day, the Pirates played like their lives depended on winning the game. Xavier didn't.

[muethibp]

All this talk about whether the technical was deserved or not is not relevant to the OP's point: that the officials don't like him. That some of you can argue the technical was bogus, and yet he got one, only helps prove that point.

[XU 87]

Thats what I thought at first, but the T is called a few seconds before that by the official behind the 3 point line(you can see him come in from bottom left corner of the screen). No way he could hear what Jalen said and it was before he took the ball. Garbage

I figured Jalen said something to that ref (using some colorful language), after Jalen walked away from the baseline.

[BandAid]

I think the officials are racist, and they can't comprehend a successful, competent black man in their narrow worldview.

[letskeepitreal]

from what I saw, Trevon got bumped on the near the base line after a made free throw by X and then Jalen came back to "protect" him. Never even got close but got T'd up. Didn't think Jalen warranted it but he's been in enough extracurricular stuff this year so the ref's T'd him up. Untimely but he's gotten a reputation. Thought it was a bullshit call

[MuskieCinci]

That play in particular was so frustrating because it was a huge swing. There should have been a foul called on Seton Hall for pushing Trevon giving Xavier the opportunity for two points. Instead the refs swallow the whistle, but if they are going to choose to swallow the whistle for that they need to step in and calm the situation down. Instead they rewarded Seton Hall for the play by giving Jalen a technical for his 'retaliation' so Seton Hall got free throws and the ball. That was really big and terrible officiating.

And to everyone scolding Jalen I would rather have the team of guys we have right now who are competitive as hell and always have each other's backs than a classy team that let's Seton Hall push them around (literally) while down 10 and just takes it.

[slysyl]

Whitehead got away with a lot of no calls yesterday. It would be interesting where the BIG EAST refs come from.

[Lloyd Braun]

I thought Tre flopped. And I thought it was Delgado that made contact with Tre not Whitehead. Could be wrong though. Both are no calls or at worst a double T. I thought X still had a chance. Especially after that nasty posterizing dunk. Whitehead was thoroughly embarrassed and the crowd was silenced.

[Snipe]

I initially thought that the technical must have been on them. What a huge swing that would have been. I agree Muskiecinci, that call peed on the camp fire. Not only can you put out the fire, but then you have the rancid smell of steaming pee all over the place. I blame those officials for that.

I thought that Jalen was going to front the press. To front the press or cover someone in a pressing situation, you kind of have to "get in a guys face".

And what in the hell were they standing there with the ball anyway? The basket had been made, they had elbowed our star player, and they just stand there looking at Jalen? Is there some sort of stoppage of play that they can use to hit and taunt Muskies? Why isn't that delay of game? Jalen has ever right to be there. I am not sure they do, because they should be inbounding the ball.

I am with Nuts, I support Jalen and those refs can eat a bag of dicks!

I can't wait to play the Hall on a neutral court. A dish best served cold baby!

[Backyard Champ]

I thought Tre flopped. And I thought it was Delgado that made contact with Tre not Whitehead. Could be wrong though. Both are no calls or at worst a double T. I thought X still had a chance. Especially after that nasty posterizing dunk. Whitehead was thoroughly embarrassed and the crowd was silenced.

Yeah, Tre flopped big time.

[mid major]

What sucks is we were on a nice 8 nothing run. I think the T was mostly due to Jalen taking the ball out of the players hands. Regardless, SH got 4 points on that possession and so much for our comeback. Whitehead looks like he's ready to sucker punch Willard every single time he's within an arms length of him.

[Roach]

I was at the game, toward the top of the lower bowl, on the southwest corner (I think ... I have a terrible sense of direction) of Seton Hall's basket in 2nd half. Obviously I wasn't close enough to hear if Jalen said anything, but I had the vantage point to see Jalen move from the top of the key toward the basket. I heard the whistle blow before Jalen even got within 3 or 4 feet of Whitehead. Are we even sure Jalen said anything? He looked utterly surprised that he got a T. To me, it looked like an anticipatory technical, which is what leads me to believe it was a bullshit call.

[XUMIOH12]

Yeah, Tre flopped big time.

so it was Bluiett's fault for the T!

[Cheesehead]

I was at the game, toward the top of the lower bowl, on the southwest corner (I think ... I have a terrible sense of direction) of Seton Hall's basket in 2nd half. Obviously I wasn't close enough to hear if Jalen said anything, but I had the vantage point to see Jalen move from the top of the key toward the basket. I heard the whistle blow before Jalen even got within 3 or 4 feet of Whitehead. Are we even sure Jalen said anything? He looked utterly surprised that he got a T. To me, it looked like an anticipatory technical, which is what leads me to believe it was a bullshit call.

This. Even if Tre flopped and I do think he was pushed a bit. The whole thing is a joke. All the ref had to do was look at the players and tell them to cut it out and move on. You can ref w/out placing yourself into the game.

[TUclutch]

What sucks is we were on a nice 8 nothing run. I think the T was mostly due to Jalen taking the ball out of the players hands. Regardless, SH got 4 points on that possession and so much for our comeback. Whitehead looks like he's ready to sucker punch Willard every single time he's within an arms length of him.

As I noted a page or two back, the technical was already called before Jalen even reached to take the ball.

[paulxu]

Would somebody please find a good video of this, so we can settle the issue? Thanks.

[vee4xu]

I've been saying this all year, as Jalen goes, so goes X. We know what we're getting with everyone else on the team. All have been consistent and contribute pretty much as expected from game to game. That is, except for Jalen. His emotions lead to silly fouls, technical or otherwise, inconsistent play and up and down stats. In the end, if X makes it to the F4 it will be because Jalen played at a high level. The opposite is also true if X loses early.

[THRILLHOUSE]

What a terrible flagrant call. Refs hate Jalen.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What a terrible flagrant call. Refs hate Jalen.

So bad!

[NY44]

Fox commentators were baffled by that one. The NCAA is softer than it has ever been. It's hard out there for a physical big man.

[muethibp]

These guys get it.

These refs are just human beings - the kind of people, like all of us, that like - and are more inclined to help - people at work who are kind, courteous, and make the job easier. We should fully expect, after years of on court antics, for calls to go against Jalen.

Again we see.

[xavierj]

Again we see.

Thats great. I would rather them just do their f$&king job.

[xu82]

Again we see.

After countless years of AAU and HS ball, this is generally true. Don't be a jerk and in the long run it helps you. They are human and not inclined to go out of their ways for jackasses.

[UCGRAD4X]

After countless years of AAU and HS ball, this is generally true. Don't be a jerk and in the long run it helps you. They are human and not inclined to go out of their ways for jackasses.

But they do seem to be going out of their way, by looking for shit to call against Jalen. By all means, don't go out of your way at all. LET EM PLAY!

[Juice]

Again we see.

How about the ref who got in Farr's face? It was ridiculous behavior from a referee. Farr was shocked and had to back up.

[xu82]

But they do seem to be going out of their way, by looking for shit to call against Jalen. By all means, don't go out of your way at all. LET EM PLAY!

To some degree because he has the rep. I'd say he is much better than last year, and he gets more slack, but clearly gets cheapies called on him. Some are just "dumb" and avoidable though. Biggest improvement in his game this year, I must say (sadly). I do love the guy though!

Today the whistle was just blowin' all day. Trying to keep control I guess.

[muethibp]

Again, again we see.

[scoscox]

James Breeding. worst ref in college basketball

[Masterofreality]

James Breeding. worst ref in college basketball

Yeah, he's up there.

[joe titan]

Joe Sunderman called Jalen out during the broadcast; Byron defended Jalen & took issue with officiating, but Sunderman pressed his point to Byron in no uncertain terms.

[Strange Brew]

Joe Sunderman called Jalen out during the broadcast; Byron defended Jalen & took issue with officiating, but Sunderman pressed his point to Byron in no uncertain terms.

I'll go with Larkin on this one. Joe and many, many others need to check the Jalen hate. That late T/flagrant was an absolute joke. That ref's extended family should be embarrassed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll go with Larkin on this one. Joe and many, many others need to check the Jalen hate. That late T/flagrant was an absolute joke. That ref's extended family should be embarrassed.

Reps my friend.

[sgarcia]

I'll go with Larkin on this one. Joe and many, many others need to check the Jalen hate. That late T/flagrant was an absolute joke. That ref's extended family should be embarrassed.

It was a stupid play by Jalen. He's 5 inches taller than the guy he was going for the ball with. He was clearly going to get it. Just a stupid play pushing off with his other arm. No other way to say it. It was stupid.

[Strange Brew]

It was a stupid play by Jalen. He's 5 inches taller than the guy he was going for the ball with. He was clearly going to get it. Just a stupid play pushing off with his other arm. No other way to say it. It was stupid.

Was it a foul? Maybe, but it could've gone either way. Was it a T/flagrant? No. Not ever, unless you're Jalen and it's bs.

[sgarcia]

Was it a foul? Maybe, but it could've gone either way. Was it a T/flagrant? No. Not ever, unless you're Jalen and it's bs.

It was a foul but not a T. My point is if he goes up and just grabs the ball like a normal person none of that happens. It was a stupid mental lapse that happens too often.

[bleedXblue]

Man the stupidity on this issue with many here is amazing. I guess EVERY single ref that's called T on Jalen is ignorant and has a vendetta against him. Wake the hell up. Jalen's being doing this since he stepped foot on campus. Sure a few here on there over the last 3 years have been questionable. The vast majority Jalen has earned b/c he's simply not very intelligent player. And that's about as nice as I can put it from my perspective.

[bleedXblue]

It was a foul but not a T. My point is if he goes up and just grabs the ball like a normal person none of that happens. It was a stupid mental lapse that happens too often.

exactly.....just not a very smart player...

[Strange Brew]

It was a foul but not a T. My point is if he goes up and just grabs the ball like a normal person none of that happens. It was a stupid mental lapse that happens too often.

So, it should've been a normal foul then which I could agree with even thought the SHU player initiated contact. So, why did the ref immediately call a T? You can't explain it other than bias. It's become very old and these refs need to be held accountable for incompetence.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I dont have it recorded so I cant go back and look but I swear (and I said this in live chat) that it looked like the Seton Hall player had jalens arm wrapped and even pulled it into himself. Either way the guy sold the play and flopped.

What is hilarious is how mad people get at Jalen just for even regular fouls, lol. Like we have people criticizing Jalen and then admitting it shouldnt have been a T but then continuing to criticize him.

I think some of us overly defend Jalen bc of all the crazy's that love to hate him. I cant remember the last player we had on our team that people openly and consistently talked bad about and called names. He has been called some pretty shitty things on this board and flat out attacked. Its fine to question some of his bone headed plays and some of his basketball IQ but people just take it to the next level. Hell on that fbook xavier fans group last night there was a woman calling him a thug bc of that foul. Than goodness someone quickly posted the story of him handing out food to the homeless in NYC.

[Section 200]

So, it should've been a normal foul then which I could agree with even thought the SHU player initiated contact. So, why did the ref immediately call a T? You can't explain it other than bias. It's become very old and these refs need to be held accountable for incompetence.

Amen. I would love automated refs to remove the human factor. If it is Farr instead of Jalen no way it is a T, and that's a real crime - you should start every game on a level playing field.

[vee4xu]

Jalen made his own bed as a player based on his behavior and body of work over the past almost three years. Because of that, fair or not, he is being held to a different standard. That said, he's earned it IMHO. It has nothing to do with Jalen being a good kid, or not. It is based solely on his on-court behavior and that speaks for itself.

[Section 200]

I think some of us overly defend Jalen bc of all the crazy's that love to hate him. I cant remember the last player we had on our team that people openly and consistently talked bad about and called names. He has been called some pretty shitty things on this board and flat out attacked. Its fine to question some of his bone headed plays and some of his basketball IQ but people just take it to the next level. Hell on that fbook xavier fans group last night there was a woman calling him a thug bc of that foul. Than goodness someone quickly posted the story of him handing out food to the homeless in NYC.
I hate that part of our fan base - we have a small group of old fans that want 5 white guys like this is 1955. It would be great if they decided to cheer for Butler.

[Section 200]

Jalen made his own bed as a player based on his behavior and body of work over the past almost three years. Because of that, fair or not, he is being held to a different standard. That said, he's earned it IMHO. It has nothing to do with Jalen being a good kid, or not. It is based solely on his on-court behavior and that speaks for itself.

Will you direct me to the part of the rule book that allows an action from a prior game years ago to carry over? I missed that part.

[joe titan]

I think a huge part of Joe Sunderman's point was the repeated instances without change of behavior by Jalen. It's not like Jalen cannot alter his actions. His consistent violations seriously question his hoops IQ.

[vee4xu]

Will you direct me to the part of the rule book that allows an action from a prior game years ago to carry over? I missed that part.

I stipulate that rules are rules. No argument there. How those rules are interpreted based on a person's actions are subject to human interpretation. Officiating is a human activity and, like it or not, subject to all of the proclivities and biases that come with being human. In this regard Mr. Reynolds hasn't placed himself in the best of positions to get the benefit of the doubt in the human part of interpreting the rules.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I think a huge part of Joe Sunderman's point was the repeated instances without change of behavior by Jalen. It's not like Jalen cannot alter his actions. His consistent violations seriously question his hoops IQ.

I think Mack would strongly disagree Jalen has not changed any of his actions. I believe on one radio show (or post game) he even complimented Jalen is that regard.

[bleedXblue]

I think Mack would strongly disagree Jalen has not changed any of his actions. I believe on one radio show (or post game) he even complimented Jalen is that regard.

Really, even after last night and the stupid T against Seton Hall two weeks ago? Yes, Jalen went through and 8-10 game streak of no T's, but now he's back to his same old crap.

[Strange Brew]

Really, even after last night and the stupid T against Seton Hall two weeks ago? Yes, Jalen went through and 8-10 game streak of no T's, but now he's back to his same old crap.

Let's be clear. Absolutely nothing Jalen did last night deserved a T. Nothing. Period. It was a chicken s*** call and that ref should never, ever do an X game again.

[bleedXblue]

Let's be clear. Absolutely nothing Jalen did last night deserved a T. Nothing. Period. It was a chicken s*** call and that ref should never, ever do an X game again.

And that's what makes this thread ridiculous and your point mute. The refs make the calls. It was a technical and that's the way it is.

[Strange Brew]

The refs make the calls. It was a technical and that's the way it is.

I don't think anyone is arguing a T was called. The point of this thread is Jalen is being unfairly whistled and last night proves that point. Just watched the call again and it is worse today than last night.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Really, even after last night and the stupid T against Seton Hall two weeks ago? Yes, Jalen went through and 8-10 game streak of no T's, but now he's back to his same old crap.

Yes even after last night.

[bleedXblue]

Yes even after last night.

He made a statement a few weeks back. That does not mean he feels that same way today. 2 T's in the last 3 games can not make a coach happy at all.

[XUFan09]

And that's what makes this thread ridiculous and your point mute. The refs make the calls. It was a technical and that's the way it is.
Wait, so is your argument really, "It happened, therefore it was right"?

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[bleedXblue]

Wait, so is your argument really, "It happened, therefore it was right"?

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It happened therefore stop arguing otherwise......

[GIMMFD]

I just don't understand how he hasn't progressed enough on the court to know better than to get tangled up into stupid situations, he has moments where he does well, puts his hands up and walks away, but then others he's jawing off like crazy. It's quite frustrating. I know it's hard to deal with the BS of the Hall players, but come on man. Keep your head, a Tech in the tourny could be a huge momentum shift and could cause us a game.

[XUFan09]

It happened therefore stop arguing otherwise......
So we shouldn't debate whether or not a specific player is getting some unjust scrutiny? It's a message board, so I wonder what foolishness you're expecting. On a related note, should we not debate the quality of the weekly AP and Coaches polls? The decisions were already made and have an effect on perception of various teams (and even a potential effect on seeding), but I guess we shouldn't argue about these polls.

Please let us know what else we shouldn't talk about.

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[bleedXblue]

So we shouldn't debate whether or not a specific player is getting some unjust scrutiny? It's a message board, so I wonder what foolishness you're expecting. On a related note, should we not debate the quality of the weekly AP and Coaches polls? The decisions were already made and have an effect on perception of various teams (and even a potential effect on seeding), but I guess we shouldn't argue about these polls.

Please let us know what else we shouldn't talk about.

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We've been watching this for 3 years. Why are any of us surprised when he gets T'd up? You have guys saying....just watch the replay.....it wasn't a technical. And all I'm saying is it doesn't matter.......he got T'd up. Let it go.

[XUFan09]

We've been watching this for 3 years. Why are any of us surprised when he gets T'd up? You have guys saying....just watch the replay.....it wasn't a technical. And all I'm saying is it doesn't matter.......he got T'd up. Let it go.
I'm not overly upset about it like some, but his tendencies shouldn't earn him bonus technicals. Of course this is the same shitty crew that gave out double technicals not just once but twice. Double technicals, save a few exceptions, are the mark of a shitty referee crew that doesn't know how to manage a game. It's the equivalent of a manager who needlessly yells at his employees to cover up the fact that he's weak.

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[TUclutch]

And that's what makes this thread ridiculous and your point mute. The refs make the calls. It was a technical and that's the way it is.
This is stupid. It was not and shouldn't have been a technical. A ref calling it one does not make it so. The ref was wrong

[bleedXblue]

This is stupid. It was not and shouldn't have been a technical. A ref calling it one does not make it so. The ref was wrong

Hmmm. Ok.

[xuwin]

Jalen made his own bed as a player based on his behavior and body of work over the past almost three years. Because of that, fair or not, he is being held to a different standard. That said, he's earned it IMHO. It has nothing to do with Jalen being a good kid, or not. It is based solely on his on-court behavior and that speaks for itself.

I agree 100%.

[MADXSTER]

I for one think that Jalen has been much better this year than the previous two in controlling his emotions.

Sometimes a ref will prematurely call a foul on a blocked shot by expecting contact to occur. Human nature. I think the same type of thing has occurred with Jalen this year in terms of both fouls and Ts.

[X-band '01]

The good news of the NCAA Tournament is a clean slate - there's a good chance that Xavier will see fresh faces AND refs that don't know of Jalen's reputation.

[xuwin]

The good news of the NCAA Tournament is a clean slate - there's a good chance that Xavier will see fresh faces AND refs that don't know of Jalen's reputation.

Those refs don't exist.

[scoscox]

It was a stupid play by Jalen. He's 5 inches taller than the guy he was going for the ball with. He was clearly going to get it. Just a stupid play pushing off with his other arm. No other way to say it. It was stupid.

This was just the foul/flagrant. It looked awful live because it's jalen and he's so much bigger, but it wasn't really a rough foul at all when looked at on replay. They gave the T to him afterwards when he was walking away on top of a flagrant. It was definitely uncalled for. Giving a 6'9" guy a flagrant and a technical for inadvertently knocking a guy 5 inches shorter to the ground while going for the ball is absurd. The refs were spending the whole night overreacting to normal plays. Exhibit A was the double tech called on whitehead and jp. They both got tangled up and fell to the ground and neither of them were doing anything, but the ref jumped in a separated them forcefully and handed out the T's. Nothing was remotely going on there or with Jalen. 5 players fouled out and they handed out 4 T's and 67 fouls last night. It's pretty clear the refs were awful. Breeding is always horrible.

[scoscox]

The good news of the NCAA Tournament is a clean slate - there's a good chance that Xavier will see fresh faces AND refs that don't know of Jalen's reputation.

Also, now that they're actually reffing the tournament maybe they won't feel the need to call a ton of fouls and put on a ref show since they've already made it to the big dance