will Jalen ?

[Muncie]

Will Jalen be back next year? Before the season started I thought not . Now I'm not so sure , but I think he may be back. I say 60 40 .

[nasdadjr]

Will Jalen be back next year? Before the season started I thought not . Now I'm not so sure , but I think he may be back. I say 60 40 .

95 5 yes he will be back. Too old now for his raw skill set and he has not developed a reliable jumper and his post moves are lacking at best. Have yet to even see him go up and under once. He could easily make money is Europe next year but I think he tries to develop more and take the shot at the nba first and the only way to do that is to stay

[nasdadjr]

95 5 yes he will be back. Too old now for his raw skill set and he has not developed a reliable jumper and his post moves are lacking at best. Have yet to even see him go up and under once. He could easily make money is Europe next year but I think he tries to develop more and take the shot at the nba first and the only way to do that is to stay

Plus in today's nba there just isn't a roster spot for a non jump shot big who doesn't block a ton of shots and lacks post moves. He just isn't there yet

[Xville]

I'd be surprised if he comes back. No insider knowledge by any means, but why would he especially if we make a run this year? Go to Europe...see the world and make some money.

[Backyard Champ]

Yeah. I'd say he's not coming back. Not because he's leaving for the NBA, but probably to go play in Europe. Infact, I don't think it was ever really a question of if he'd leave for the NBA.

[XMuskieFTW]

I'd say 10% chance he stays. He's not going to play more than 25 minutes a season next year with how he fouls and the fact that if he stayed we'd have 8 guys on scholly playing the 4 or 5 if you count bluiett. I expect him to go get a nice payday in Europe. Would love to see him stay. If he stays, we'll probably be even better next year. Think of that.

[nasdadjr]

I'd say 10% chance he stays. He's not going to play more than 25 minutes a season next year with how he fouls and the fact that if he stayed we'd have 8 guys on scholly playing the 4 or 5 if you count bluiett. I expect him to go get a nice payday in Europe. Would love to see him stay. If he stays, we'll probably be even better next year. Think of that.

I just a can't agree cause he isn't nba ready now. His goal is obviously the nba. I just don't think he settles for Europe but of course I can easily be wrong. Ochefu is average prospect at best and he is light years ahead of jalen right now

[muskieindent]

At beginning of year I would have said no.Now I'd say it's possible. It'd be great if he stayed. I'm assuming Myles will be back .

[RoseyMuskie]

Probably not. But can we wait until the end of the season to discuss? Enjoy the current moment!

[Muncie]

Probably not. But can we wait until the end of the season to discuss? Enjoy the current moment!

Why not both ?

[XUFan09]

I just a can't agree cause he isn't nba ready now. His goal is obviously the nba. I just don't think he settles for Europe but of course I can easily be wrong. Ochefu is average prospect at best and he is light years ahead of jalen right now
Guys playing in Europe can earn an NBA roster spot too, if they prove to be good enough at the professional level.

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[Drew's Crew]

This is a fun discussion to have but I think we all have to admit that there are so many determining factors that it is impossible to predict.

Jalen will be really old for college ball next year and have his degree with three years of high level D-1 ball under his belt. From that perspective, one would think he'd play overseas for a nice salary while he can.

That being said, competitively he finds himself in a situation that no one could have really predicted when he committed to X. Think about it for a second. We have a legitimate NC contender on our hands. If he decides to return, we have a legitimate chance of being preseason #1. These are things that are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. He could come back to make a run at maybe back-to-back FFs OR we could get close this year and he would want to come back to make it happen next year.

So much left to be determined, but don't discount his loyalty to his teammates. Everyone was shocked when the entire Florida squad returned but they wanted to repeat together. And they did. And they went down in NCAA history for it. Those types of things are tempting.

Not to mention he would get a Masters in the process.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ochefu is average prospect at best and he is light years ahead of jalen right now

Keep hearing this on the BE board, but just didn't see it the other night. Both average,.

[xukeith]

I'd be surprised if he comes back. No insider knowledge by any means, but why would he especially if we make a run this year? Go to Europe...see the world and make some money.

I agree plus think how old he is getting. Hanging around 18 and 19 year olds as a 25 year old is not too cool. Europe and making solid money for 10 years will be an understandable decision.
Wish he would play for X next year but seriously, who loves academics so much as a basketball stud?

[Strange Brew]

Why start this thread now? Can we please wait until the final whistle before we do this?

Jalen will be back tomorrow hanging on rims, annoying old people

[maketewahXalum]

That being said, competitively he finds himself in a situation that no one could have really predicted when he committed to X. Think about it for a second. We have a legitimate NC contender on our hands. If he decides to return, we have a legitimate chance of being preseason #1. These are things that are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities. He could come back to make a run at maybe back-to-back FFs OR we could get close this year and he would want to come back to make it happen next year.


Ehhh. I guess you should never say never. But I would be stunned if we were preseason #1. Not that we don't deserve consideration for it. But using the past couple years' preseason rankings history, #1 will probably be UK, or maybe Duke. From my perspective, voters tend to gush over the incoming 5 star recruits both those schools bring in., particularly UK.

Last 5 year preseason polls:
2011/12: AP #2, Coaches #2 (National Champions)
2012/13: AP #3, Coaches #3 (missed tourney)
2013/14: AP #1, Coaches #1 (NCAA Runner-Up)
2014/15: AP #1, Coaches #1 (Final Four)
2015/16: AP #2, Coaches #1 (TBD -- currently ranked 16th in AP and losing to Vanderbilt)

With the above history, plus the fact they are bringing in 6 incoming freshmen (four are 5-Stars), they will most likely be preseason #1. And if it isn't UK as preseason #1, it might be Duke, who is also bringing in three 5-star recruits (two of which are #1 at their positions).

[mid major]

At beginning of year I would have said no.Now I'd say it's possible. It'd be great if he stayed. I'm assuming Myles will be back .

Myles? Where is he going to go? Belgium, Turkey, Slovenia, Poland?

[Xavier]

[QUOTE=Drew's Crew;543124]

Think about it for a second. We have a legitimate NC contender on our hands. If he decides to return, we have a legitimate chance of being preseason #1. These are things that are once-in-a-lifetime opportunities.

[QUOTE]

Xavier would have to win it all to have any chance at preseason #1. Even then it would be minimal.

[Snipe]

All I know is that if I was Jalen, I would come back to play for my senior year as a Xavier Musketeer.

Whatever Jalen chooses, I wish him the best after the season.

It is more than a tad bit distasteful to have this conversation right now. Let the young man enjoy his current success without forcing the future on him.

This is a Great Day to be A Muskie! He is only in college once, so let him be and shut your traps.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

All I know is that if I was Jalen, I would come back to play for my senior year as a Xavier Musketeer.

Whatever Jalen chooses, I wish him the best after the season.

It is more than a tad bit distasteful to have this conversation right now. Let the young man enjoy his current success without forcing the future on him.

This is a Great Day to be A Muskie! He is only in college once, so let him be and shut your traps.

Agree

[Muncie]

All I know is that if I was Jalen, I would come back to play for my senior year as a Xavier Musketeer.

Whatever Jalen chooses, I wish him the best after the season.

It is more than a tad bit distasteful to have this conversation right now. Let the young man enjoy his current success without forcing the future on him.

This is a Great Day to be A Muskie! He is only in college once, so let him be and shut your traps.

I think it's funny people are posting their opinions on this thread and then saying it's an inappropriate string . Lol rather incongruous

[Snipe]

I think he should stay. And I don't think it is appropriate right now for people to be talking about him leaving. Why now? Why does this have to be a topic now? Should I have just cut it short and said "Why Now?" I would be fine with that I guess.

I don't want to get into all the old arguments. We had all the old arguments with Semaj, and all the NBA "Experts" on board that were sure his leaving was a good thing. Derrick Brown was an NBA washout as well, and all the NBA "Experts" were creaming in their pants right here when he decided to leave us, and shouted down anyone that claimed it might not be the right idea. I don't want to get into all of those old tired arguments about how they know the NBA and when is the best time to go. The only thing to say is that right now it is inappropriate and they should STFU. Apparently their past record of ignorance and stupidity won't hold them back, maybe some basic manners should do the trick.

Why now?

[Muncie]

I think he should stay. And I don't think it is appropriate right now for people to be talking about him leaving. Why now? Why does this have to be a topic now? Should I have just cut it short and said "Why Now?" I would be fine with that I guess.

I don't want to get into all the old arguments. We had all the old arguments with Semaj, and all the NBA "Experts" on board that were sure his leaving was a good thing. Derrick Brown was an NBA washout as well, and all the NBA "Experts" were creaming in their pants right here when he decided to leave us, and shouted down anyone that claimed it might not be the right idea. I don't want to get into all of those old tired arguments about how they know the NBA and when is the best time to go. The only thing to say is that right now it is inappropriate and they should STFU. Apparently their past record of ignorance and stupidity won't hold them back, maybe some basic manners should do the trick.

Why now?
Why not?

[nasdadjr]

Guys playing in Europe can earn an NBA roster spot too, if they prove to be good enough at the professional level.

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Not to many do it at his age. Not impossible but not probable either

[nasdadjr]

Guys playing in Europe can earn an NBA roster spot too, if they prove to be good enough at the professional level.

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Keep hearing this on the BE board, but just didn't see it the other night. Both average,.
You don't see it. He post control is amazing he always knows where he is and he is one of the top finishers within 6 ft in college. Like unsaid he is light years ahead

[Snipe]

Why not?

Because I said so Muncie.

[waggy]

Jalen has a face up game and I believe can consistently knock down jumpers. Why that's not currently part of the offense I don't know. It doesn't look like he's any good from 3 though.

[RoseyMuskie]

Why not?

Because Xavier is in the midst of a special season, plenty of message board topics outside of Jalen's future, you're moving past the rest of this season, it saves a topic for the lull that is the offseason, and the season's final result may affect the decision.

So now that we've answered, why now?

[xu82]

Because I said so Muncie.

Dad????

[Snipe]

Dad????

I don't think you flossed either. Get back in that bathroom and don't come out until all those teeth are gleaming. And pull up your pants for Christ's sake.

[XUFan09]

Not to many do it at his age. Not impossible but not probable either
He has a better shot than he does coming back for his senior year.

If Jalen wants to come back for one more run, because he (a) has unfinished business or (b) wants to do something special a la the Florida guys, more power to them. That's definitely more a personal decision than a professional decision, though.

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[Muncie]

So let me get this right , it's ok to respond to the thread/post but not ok to post the original post? Lol I see we didn't all get an A in logic.

[Strange Brew]

I don't think you flossed either. Get back in that bathroom and don't come out until all those teeth are gleaming. And pull up your pants for Christ's sake.

And STAY OFF MY LAWN!

[xeus]

I think this is a dumb topic.

I hope Jalen comes back next year.

I hope Muncie doesn't get upset that I have replied to his thread.

And I hope Snipe never has a reason to tell me to pull my pants up.

[XMuskieFTW]

Jalen has a face up game and I believe can consistently knock down jumpers. Why that's not currently part of the offense I don't know. It doesn't look like he's any good from 3 though.

I agree with this, but his face up game was much better last year. He's taken way too many off balance 12-15 footers this year whereas last year those shots were in rhythm. I never have a problem with him taken a 12-15 footer but his shot selection has needed to be better this year from that range.

[xu82]

If Jalen isn't dunking, I'll bet we have better options.

[Chester Copperpot]

All I know is that if I was Jalen, I would come back to play for my senior year as a Xavier Musketeer.

Whatever Jalen chooses, I wish him the best after the season.

It is more than a tad bit distasteful to have this conversation right now. Let the young man enjoy his current success without forcing the future on him.

This is a Great Day to be A Muskie! He is only in college once, so let him be and shut your traps.


Get off your high horse..."distasteful"...?
Its a message board intended to discuss these speculative topics.

[mid major]

Infidels

[nasdadjr]

Isn't this about the obligatory time when some random guy comes in and tells us about his "contact" in the NBA and gives us the scouts perspective on a player from that "reliable source?"

[xuwin]

If Jalen isn't dunking, I'll bet we have better options.

Exactly. We can almost always get a better shot than a 12-15 ft jumper from Jalen.

[jhelmes37]

I remember when Crawford was buried on the bench during his rookie season.

He attended an X game and X was highly ranked at the time. I believe it was the season of the brawl, but before the brawl happened.

The announcer asked Crawford if he would rather be on the court for X than being buried on the bench for a shitty NBA team.

Crawford didn't even answer. He just glared at the guy.

What did Crawford make in the NBA? 2 million in total? Now more overseas?

Brown was a washout? I'll bet he made more than 2 million. (I'm too lazy to look it up.)

If Jalen can make 500k per year right now overseas, and he can't improve his draft stock by playing another year, he's an idiot if he stays.

All it takes is one freak play in an open gym and an athlete will never play again.

[markchal]

Anyone who thinks Jalen comes back is living in a fantasy world and doesn't understand how the NBA draft works. He had a great career for us and he's getting ready to cap it with a magical finish, let's just enjoy that.

[MADXSTER]

Anyone who thinks Jalen comes back is living in a fantasy world and doesn't understand how the NBA draft works. He had a great career for us and he's getting ready to cap it with a magical finish, let's just enjoy that.

I'm thinking that you were not on here for the 'Were you there, Did you hear' thread from many years back.

[markchal]

Those are not similar situations at all. Jalen will have his degree already, and I believe he has more outside obligations than David did. Also, even if he returned, his role wouldn't be much different from what it is now, he's not going to be a POY candidate.

[MADXSTER]

Markchal, you can do better. DFW had more reason not to come back than Reynolds. West was looking at being drafted in the NBA, Reynolds oversees. West not having a degree is a non factor. Reynolds having outside obligations - you're making that shit up.

What I take issue with in your original post is 'Fantasy world. That's obnoxious.

[X-Fan]

To me it comes down to what Jalen has to gain by staying. His capabilities are more suited for the pro game. Half his fouls wouldn't be called at the pro level. He's more suited for the 1 on 1 matchups and pick and roll style at the pro level. Also, with his age, there's very little chance his draft stock increases by staying a year. In the end it'll be a business decision. I'd love for him to stay, but I just don't see it.

[markchal]

@madxster

I'm going to assume you don't follow the NBA, because the game (and the draft) are much different than it was when West was coming out. Also, he was able to improve his stock somewhat by staying, Jalen has pretty much hit a ceiling for what he can do/showcase at this level. Also, from what I remember, West specifically mentioned getting his degree as one of the reasons he was coming back (something about owing it to his parents).

And I'm not "making shit up" about Reynolds, it's something that's been mentioned dozens of times from many other posters. He's got a big family, and making hundreds of thousands of dollars playing professionally would surely help them out. I'd love it if he came back to Xavier, I've enjoyed watching him play and having him in the program, but I won't begrudge him one bit if he left. Some people tend to look at his decision solely through their lens as a Xavier fan and what it would mean for next season.

[scoscox]

If Jalen has hit a ceiling for what he can do/showcase at this level, he's not gonna be making a lot of money for very long. Jalen has a TON of room to improve.

[Dmartin]

I think some X fans are a little spoiled and overlook Jalen's potential. If he were on 99% of any other teams he would play until he fouled out, have double doubles every single game and be leading the NCAA for centers in rebounds assists and points.

Who can't he guard? (big men) Who can't he score on?

His lack of time on the court says a lot about the talent of this team. The more he plays the more he relaxes and the better he gets.

I could say the same about James Far. We are just so lucky to have two of the best Bigs in college b-ball.

3/4 of Jalens dunks are shots that nobody else in College Basketball could even do, he can jump over two defenders and one hand slam whenever he gets the opportunity. With more time and feeds those short jumpers and hooks will fall, look at last year.

His emotions and fight get the entire team fired up, he's the teams best cheerleader and I feel like everyone on the team likes him, respects him and realize when the going get's rough he will be there for them.

Mack does a great job containing him and that says as much about Jalen as it does about Coach.

I Hope he has many opportunities in life and basketball and wish him only the best whatever he decides.

[markchal]

These threads suck because it always ends up with us knocking our own guys (hated the same "he has no position in the NBA!" Threads about dez and Trevon too). Obviously Jalen can improve, but I think X-fan was right about him faring better in a pick-and-roll style and that his fouling isn't as big of an issue at the next level.

I didn't mean it as a knock on Jalen, but he would be coming back to a loaded team. I don't think his role or number of shots/etc would increase if he returns. Havinh that balanced of a team isn't always the best environment to put up the numbers necessary to get scouts interested in a 25 yo big. I also think he'd be forced to play the 5 a lot, and wouldn't get a chance to shoot many 3s, which is something I think he'd have to do to interest teams.

[XUFan09]

I remember when Crawford was buried on the bench during his rookie season.

He attended an X game and X was highly ranked at the time. I believe it was the season of the brawl, but before the brawl happened.

The announcer asked Crawford if he would rather be on the court for X than being buried on the bench for a shitty NBA team.

Crawford didn't even answer. He just glared at the guy.

What did Crawford make in the NBA? 2 million in total? Now more overseas?

Brown was a washout? I'll bet he made more than 2 million. (I'm too lazy to look it up.)

If Jalen can make 500k per year right now overseas, and he can't improve his draft stock by playing another year, he's an idiot if he stays.

All it takes is one freak play in an open gym and an athlete will never play again.
Xavier played Crawford's IU in 2008. Tu and Mark weren't even on the team yet.

And to elaborate on your point:

Crawford would still be making millions in the NBA if it weren't for his attitude. And like you said, he's still hauling it in overseas.

Brown made a lot of money in the NBA, and another year in college would have only taken away a year of income (about half a million). Now, he's making a whole lot of money in Europe.

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[xavierj]

I think Jalen has a big game today and xavier gets the win. If he gets the better of Delgado and they keep Whitehead in check, Xavier wins easy.

[XUFan09]

I think Jalen has a big game today and xavier gets the win. If he gets the better of Delgado and they keep Whitehead in check, Xavier wins easy.

Easier said that done lately! I liked that was have Remy, though, for those purposes. On one of the D&V podcasts, Rick Broering said something I agree with: "I've realized that if I didn't notice Remy, he probably had a pretty good game." Hopefully, we don't notice Remy today (unless he's nailing a 3 or making an and-1 layup in transition.

[XMuskieFTW]

I remember when Crawford was buried on the bench during his rookie season.

He attended an X game and X was highly ranked at the time. I believe it was the season of the brawl, but before the brawl happened.

The announcer asked Crawford if he would rather be on the court for X than being buried on the bench for a shitty NBA team.

Crawford didn't even answer. He just glared at the guy.

What did Crawford make in the NBA? 2 million in total? Now more overseas?

Brown was a washout? I'll bet he made more than 2 million. (I'm too lazy to look it up.)

If Jalen can make 500k per year right now overseas, and he can't improve his draft stock by playing another year, he's an idiot if he stays.

All it takes is one freak play in an open gym and an athlete will never play again.

Jcraw made about 5.5 mil in his 4 years in the NBA. D brown made about 2 mil in his 3 years, but I'm pretty sure he's making about 2 mil a year in Europe now.

[xavierj]

Easier said that done lately! I liked that was have Remy, though, for those purposes. On one of the D&V podcasts, Rick Broering said something I agree with: "I've realized that if I didn't notice Remy, he probably had a pretty good game." Hopefully, we don't notice Remy today (unless he's nailing a 3 or making an and-1 layup in transition.

Well St. Johns shut him down last week, so do whatever they did. They should have lost that game.

[XUFan09]

Jcraw made about 5.5 mil in his 4 years in the NBA. D brown made about 2 mil in his 3 years, but I'm pretty sure he's making about 2 mil a year in Europe now.
Yeah, Brown is one of the higher paid players in Europe. Going back to the NBA would mean taking a serious paycut.

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[slysyl]

Jalen had one monster dunk today; he could have had a lot more and should have. How many layups did he miss for that matter all the bigs miss.

[wkrq59]

Jalen is not ready for here or Europe or China or Israel or South America. He needs a "star" season I have not yet seen

[LA Muskie]

I like Jalen. I want him to succeed. He is his own worst enemy. And if Mack can't get through to him I worry no one can.


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[Xavier]

I remember when Crawford was buried on the bench during his rookie season.

He attended an X game and X was highly ranked at the time. I believe it was the season of the brawl, but before the brawl happened.

The announcer asked Crawford if he would rather be on the court for X than being buried on the bench for a shitty NBA team.

Crawford didn't even answer. He just glared at the guy.

What did Crawford make in the NBA? 2 million in total? Now more overseas?

Brown was a washout? I'll bet he made more than 2 million. (I'm too lazy to look it up.)

If Jalen can make 500k per year right now overseas, and he can't improve his draft stock by playing another year, he's an idiot if he stays.

All it takes is one freak play in an open gym and an athlete will never play again.


Brown easily made more than 2. In one year (2012) he made $850,000. His current contract is a little more than 1 million per year. (2 year deal) overseas.

[Milhouse]

these threads always illustrate those that only watch CBB

[muethibp]

There is this idea - seen throughout this thread - that when a player's game has flaws, he should not turn professional. That only makes sense if college basketball is the best or only place to improve one's game. I see very little evidence of that. Indeed, I could argue that with the "distraction" of class, practice caps, and the relatively few (compared to D league or international leagues) games, that there are better places to grow as a player than college basketball.

I mean, almost a year after having a great NCAA tournament, he has basically the same game that he did then and is no better a prospect than he was a year ago. Why is there reason to think that he'll be a substantially better product in 14 months than he is now? And staying comes at the cost of giving up one of the relatively few years he has to get paid to play basketball overseas (where he will certainly end up - he doesn't have a game sufficient for the NBA). I think it highly unlikely that he's back next year.

[XUMIOH12]

i hope he comes back, but i would be surprised if he did

[smileyy]

There is this idea - seen throughout this thread - that when a player's game has flaws, he should not turn professional. That only makes sense if college basketball is the best or only place to improve one's game. I see very little evidence of that. Indeed, I could argue that with the "distraction" of class, practice caps, and the relatively few (compared to D league or international leagues) games, that there are better places to grow as a player than college basketball.

If you are capable of playing at the NBA level, the NBA is probably the best place to get better.

[ammtd34]

According to this link (http://euroleagueadventures.com/top-50-salaries-in-the-euroleague/), Brown is the second highest paid American in Europe. Doellman is the first. If that's what it means to be an NBA washout, sign me up.

[LA Muskie]

Brown easily made more than 2. In one year (2012) he made $850,000. His current contract is a little more than 1 million per year. (2 year deal) overseas.

He made $450k yr 1, 730k yr 2, and $850k yr 3. So almost exactly $2mm.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/derrick-brown/cash-earnings/


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[XU 87]

To answer the thread question, "No, he won't be back next year."

[paulxu]

AMMTD34...what's up with your link? It opens a porn site with some obnoxious voice over to call a number for a security risk.

[xu82]

To answer the thread question, "No, he won't be back next year."

...what he said.

[Xavier]

He made $450k yr 1, 730k yr 2, and $850k yr 3. So almost exactly $2mm.

http://www.spotrac.com/nba/san-antonio-spurs/derrick-brown/cash-earnings/


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Yeah, I was talking over all- should have stated that. Good find, though.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Guy is too old to be here next year. He won't want to play with 18-22 years when he is 24. Myles is another story as I am not sure what is peak is.


Yeah, I was talking over all- should have stated that. Good find, though.

[The Coz]

Jalen is no King Kenny. King Kenny!

[XUMIOH12]

Guy is too old to be here next year. He won't want to play with 18-22 years when he is 24. Myles is another story as I am not sure what is peak is.

There are plenty of 23-24 year olds playing college basketball. Saying that he is too old to want to play in college is a load of crap. Saying that he is 23-24 and wanting to play professionally and make money is not.

[Emp]

The timing of this thread is the worst kind of juju. Just because one can talk about a topic doesn't mean one should. Jalen, Coach Mack, and any disinterested reader must think we're smokin crack on this board. We're freakin 25-4, looking at a great BET and the dance coming up, and this is what joyful minds ponder?

Now that everyone who absolutely MUST be heard on this right now, can we put it to rest, mods?

[Xavier]

Who cares? Obviously it is something people want to discuss. You don't have to read the thread.

[muskiefan82]

Who cares? Obviously it is something people want to discuss. You don't have to read the thread.

If I didn't read every single post in every thread, I would have to work. That doesn't seem like a great plan.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is kind of the Jalen leaving front. Does anyone in the know have an opinion on how Gaston/Ekiyor look in practice? This team will still have 4 big men down low that can bang with the two freshmen, O'Mara, and Gaston, add one more if Jalen decides to stay.

Only two are currently practicing though. I also wonder if Mack will use the scholarship or stash it.

A total side note, Myles Davis is in the same position. He will have been with the program for 4 years, he also could leave after this year. Interesting, we have two guys who have tons of experience who could leave.


If I didn't read every single post in every thread, I would have to work. That doesn't seem like a great plan.

[markchal]

This is kind of the Jalen leaving front. Does anyone in the know have an opinion on how Gaston/Ekiyor look in practice? This team will still have 4 big men down low that can bang with the two freshmen, O'Mara, and Gaston, add one more if Jalen decides to stay.

Only two are currently practicing though. I also wonder if Mack will use the scholarship or stash it.

A total side note, Myles Davis is in the same position. He will have been with the program for 4 years, he also could leave after this year. Interesting, we have two guys who have tons of experience who could leave.

Myles is going nowhere. It's hard to expect much of anything from frosh bigs, so expect O'Mara and Gaston to give us the bulk of the toughness inside, and going with a smaller lineup with more Kaiser (and London, who is tall but def not a banger). I expect Gaston to be good, but we only have him for one year right? I think that was Mack planning ahead on the Jalen front, since I don't know what kind of a role he'd have if Jalen actually returned.

[UCGRAD4X]

Myles is going nowhere. It's hard to expect much of anything from frosh bigs, so expect O'Mara and Gaston to give us the bulk of the toughness inside, and going with a smaller lineup with more Kaiser (and London, who is tall but def not a banger). I expect Gaston to be good, but we only have him for one year right? I think that was Mack planning ahead on the Jalen front, since I don't know what kind of a role he'd have if Jalen actually returned.

But EE has been practicing with them since semester start, isn't that right? Don't expect him to be exactly frosh.

Interestingly, don't usually expect much from Soph bigs either, traditionally. There times they are a changing.

[markchal]

But EE has been practicing with them since semester start, isn't that right? Don't expect him to be exactly frosh.

Interestingly, don't usually expect much from Soph bigs either, traditionally. There times they are a changing.

London got a whole year of practice, he's still very much a freshman in his play this year. Given the number of bodies in front of him, anything we see from EE is a bonus.

[XUMIOH12]

London got a whole year of practice, he's still very much a freshman in his play this year. Given the number of bodies in front of him, anything we see from EE is a bonus.

yeah i would be pleasantly surprised with any positive contributions he makes next year.

[Cheesehead]

EE is already more of a true post interior player and fairly strong already while right now Makinde is more of a wing player and still needs to put some weight on and develop a post game.

I think they are different players at this point.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I agree, I will also eat my words from earlier and say that if O'Mara got more time this year he would be a much better player than he is now. I think he is further along that it seems. I would like to see Makinde gain weight and become a true post player.


EE is already more of a true post interior player and fairly strong already while right now Makinde is more of a wing player and still needs to put some weight on and develop a post game.

I think they are different players at his point.

[Milhouse]

Taking was Gaston was the staff planning on Reynolds leaving 100%.

I think we'll be fine down low next year. it's going to be quite a while before we've got two big men as productive as Jalen & James, but we'll have a ridiculous amount of scoring returning no matter what, just gotta put the ball in the hoop more than the other team...I expect them to do that a lot next year.

I also think O'Mara will be the starter by years end over Gaston.

[XUFan09]

I agree, I will also eat my words from earlier and say that if O'Mara got more time this year he would be a much better player than he is now. I think he is further along that it seems. I would like to see Makinde gain weight and become a true post player.
I want Makinde to put on weight in order to defend better in the post, but trying to make him a true post player would be like trying to put a square peg in a round hole. The dude is a highly athletic combo forward with a great handle for his size and a three-point shot.

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[smileyy]

Position is who you can defend. Can Makinde stay in front of wings? Can he defend in the post?

On the offensive side of the ball, I see him more on the wing. Trevon, Kaiser and Makinde all kind of play the same position/game. One of them will have to cover wings more often for all of them to get the minutes they seem to need.

[XUFan09]

Position is who you can defend. Can Makinde stay in front of wings? Can he defend in the post?

On the offensive side of the ball, I see him more on the wing. Trevon, Kaiser and Makinde all kind of play the same position/game. One of them will have to cover wings more often for all of them to get the minutes they seem to need.
I haven't seen Makinde a lot, not enough to really see how he defends wings, but just knowing the respective players, I'd guess wing defense goes something like this:

Kaiser>>Makinde>>>>Trevon

That's based on physical ability, not performance so far, as Trevon has developed into a solid defender in the team defense a la B.J. Raymond.

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[markchal]

EE is already more of a true post interior player and fairly strong already while right now Makinde is more of a wing player and still needs to put some weight on and develop a post game.

I think they are different players at this point.

I don't disagree, but I don't think that makes his path to the floor any clearer. EE has two proven strong, experienced players ahead of him in Gaston and O'Mara and at the other position, he's got to contend with Trevon/Kaiser/Makinde. I like EE's future, but I don't think we should be expecting anything from him next year.

[markchal]

Also, I'm sort of surprised Jalen isn't getting the senior night treatment. Was he included in the radio show or the press conference? From what I've seen, it's been only James and Remy. I would hope they would honor Jalen tomorrow as well, if his leaving is a pretty foregone conclusion. Even if it's not, he is a senior and will be graduating, so there's no harm in doing it. I know in college football there are plenty of guys who have been "honored" at a senior day more than once (after spurning the NFL draft).

[XfansinKy]

Going overseas isn't as cool as it sounds unless it's a top league. That's why so many players from the states come back and play in the DLeague for 25-30 grand a year. I would bet whatever "pro" team he plays for overseas wouldn't have the kind of training facilities and trainers that he has at Xavier right now.

[KC4X]

Jalen is one of my favorite players of all time. I really hope he comes back, but if not, I hope X gets to the final 4!

By the way, the refs are horrible. I love how coach Mack stuck up for Jalen on the coach's show http://www.55krc.com/media/play/26784040/. Jalen should be proud of how far he has come in tempering himself. The refs look for a reason to blow the whistle, though.

[muethibp]

This becomes the biggest unanswered question going into next year. You have to doubt he's back but I guess you never know.

[XfansinKy]

I understand if he needs to go make a living. That's what kids do in Euro leagues. Some barely get by too. It's gotta be a tough decision because more than likely, wherever he lands, will not be as nice as the Xavier facilities. Come back and get ready for the NBA big fella.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

After yesterday, I have to think that giving it one last shot with Myles has to weigh heavily on his mind. Next year's team won't miss a beat with Abell/Farr gone when you add a year on the guys we have and add those Freshmen into the mix.


I understand if he needs to go make a living. That's what kids do in Euro leagues. Some barely get by too. It's gotta be a tough decision because more than likely, wherever he lands, will not be as nice as the Xavier facilities. Come back and get ready for the NBA big fella.

[BandAid]

I know what I would do, but I'm not a 23(?) year old athletic freak of nature.

[Xavier_Musketeers]

If Jalen leaves what will be our starting 5? What if he stays?

[Cheesehead]

If Jalen leaves what will be our starting 5? What if he stays?

Myles, Sumner, Trevon, Macura/Gates, Gaston , Eddie or London might get in there too

[scoscox]

That's gonna be a filthy team

[NY44]

I don't see anyway he comes back. He's 23, there's only so much that another year of experience can change for his stock. Physically speaking, he cannot get anymore developed.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Myles, Sumner, Trevon, Macura/Gates, Gaston , Eddie or London might get in there too

If O'Mara can get better on defense he could be the starting center.

[MHettel]

I don't see anyway he comes back. He's 23, there's only so much that another year of experience can change for his stock. Physically speaking, he cannot get anymore developed.

He could try playing without the oven mits.

Look, jalen has bad hands and I'm sure that's already been scouted. Just like DBrown (slow first step) he's got some eye popping upside, but it only takes one weakness to be left out of the NBA

[NY44]

He could try playing without the oven mits.

Look, jalen has bad hands and I'm sure that's already been scouted. Just like DBrown (slow first step) he's got some eye popping upside, but it only takes one weakness to be left out of the NBA

The guy has been playing basketball all his life and had 4 years to develop at Xavier.The probability of him getting better hands in a year is a lot lower than the probability of him being drafted with bad ones.

I hope he stays, but it seems so doubtful.

[markchal]

I hope he stays, but it seems so doubtful.

I think this is the way most people feel. The writing has been on the wall for awhile and the staff seemingly has been planning for this. If he stays, that pretty much relegates O'Mara to another year of spotty minutes here or there or it would mean they wasted a scholly on Gaston for two years for mop-up minutes, and I doubt that. We'll be OK, but it will be a tough adjustment replacing Jalen and James.

[scoscox]

Nothing says going out on top like leaving early to go play in Europe because you feel too old to be in college anymore. Feel bad for Jalen he hasn't played himself into a better situation, but hey I'll take him coming back.

[paulxu]

If O'Mara can get better on defense he could be the starting center.

Use the 7 months in the gym to lose 30 lbs., improve lateral quickness, so they guys like the Wisconsin kid don't get to go around him.

[xufan2434]

Shannon asked him about it and he said "It's in God's hands now" .. he also said he told the team to keep heads up cause "we'll be back". If I had to guess, sounds more like he's gone and they we'll be back means more like X will be back and he's including himself like most alumni do.

Could be completely wrong so who knows. Would be really sad cause he played so well last night and was having so much fun doing so. Low key, Jalen could go out averaging some really nice numbers in March for his career. Guy loved the bright lights.

[nuts4xu]

Use the 7 months in the gym to lose 30 lbs., improve lateral quickness, so they guys like the Wisconsin kid don't get to go around him.

He checked in at the beginning of the season with like 6% body fat. Sean O'Mara is not losing 30 lbs, nor do I think he could if he tried.

I agree he needs to improve his quickness some how, but I don't think he can slim down much if at all.

[nuts4xu]

it would mean they wasted a scholly on Gaston for two years for mop-up minutes,

Isn't Gaston only here for one season? I believe he will be playing his senior year of eligibility next season, and out the door in May.

[BandAid]

He checked in at the beginning of the season with like 6% body fat. Sean O'Mara is not losing 30 lbs, nor do I think he could if he tried.

I agree he needs to improve his quickness some how, but I don't think he can slim down much if at all.

O'Mara is the new Kenny Frease in terms of defensive ability. I think Sean can be better at scoring in the low post. Kenny is the better jump (that's a generous use of the word jump) shooter. Rebounding is hard to assess. When Kenny was hungry he was a great rebounder, when he wasn't he wasn't.

But anyways, back to Jalen's decision. I don't think he'll get drafted or stick on an NBA roster, which means it's Europe for Jalen. While staying an extra year would hurt his NBA stock, I don't think it will have too negative of an impact on his Euro stock. I'd stay another year for free school, room, and board while getting to make one last run with my teammates. Barring a major injury, Europe isn't going anywhere.

[XMuskieFTW]

Isn't Gaston only here for one season? I believe he will be playing his senior year of eligibility next season, and out the door in May.

Yea, just one season for Gaston.

[markchal]

Isn't Gaston only here for one season? I believe he will be playing his senior year of eligibility next season, and out the door in May.

Right, but doesn't his sit-out year count against our scholarship limit?

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Yes it did and yes Gaston has just one year of eligibility. Reynolds is 99% gone in my opinion, he gains nothing personally and really loses out in the long run. However, his gain would be the glory of another pretty loaded team and a free year of graduate school. End of the day, we just don't know his priorities or what turning pro does for his family.

If he stays, I believe it is for March glory and free education and Gaston would be pretty disappointed.

This a game of matchups, O'Mara didn't have the quickness to defend Wisconsin's non-traditional bigs. You know what?...next year's team has London/Gates who do have the quickness to defend that spot. The future is bright for this team.

Sumner/Davis/Bluiett/Gates/O'Mara is a pretty good line-up. Macura/LAJ/London are all a year better, none of this includes what Gaston brings to the table and whether we get minutes from Freshmen.


Right, but doesn't his sit-out year count against our scholarship limit?

[GoMuskies]

I had forgotten all about Gaston. I feel a lot better about next year's front line with him in reserve....granted, I have no idea how good he is. Nice numbers at Norfolk State, no doubt, but who knows how that will translate.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Sumner/Davis/Bluiett/Gates/O'Mara is a pretty good line-up. Macura/LAJ/London are all a year better, none of this includes what Gaston brings to the table and whether we get minutes from Freshmen.

Just curious...is that what you are predicting will be next year's starters? It makes total sense...but at what point does Macura start? With the way he's progressed each year at X, I think he is going to be nasty next year. I know it doesn't matter who starts...it's who finishes...but if Macura doesn't start for X next season, he'll have to be the national 6th man of the year.

Am I crazy for thinking it's possible JP could be X's best player next year?

[XUFan09]

I had forgotten all about Gaston. I feel a lot better about next year's front line with him in reserve....granted, I have no idea how good he is. Nice numbers at Norfolk State, no doubt, but who knows how that will translate.
I've noticed that rebounding tends to translate decently between levels, so it's nice to see that RaShid Gaston had really good numbers at Norfolk State. Even if they are a little inflated, his top 50 rate is still promising. It sounds like he's a tough defender too, but who knows how strong of an offensive option he'll be.

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[Xavier]

Am I crazy for thinking it's possible JP could be X's best player next year?

Yes. At least IMO.

[GoMuskies]

Am I crazy for thinking it's possible JP could be X's best player next year?


I'm not sure he'll be our best player all year, but I expect him to be one of the best players all year and the best player on some days. He was our best player sometimes this year. He may have been our best all-around player yesterday before he disappeared for some reason.

[Nigel Tufnel]

Yes. At least IMO.

If his body matures another year and he puts on another 10 lbs of muscle, and his game progresses like it has the past two years, I just can't see how X won't want him on the court as much as possible.

I'm expecting JP to be downright filthy next year.

[Xavier]

I agree, I want him on the court a lot. I think he benefits greatly that other teams will have to focus on Blueitt and Sumner- but JP can be a monster in his role- like Go said, somedays he will be the best player on the court....others he will fit nicely into the offense and have 11-13 big points.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

My issue with starting Macura is who you sit in his place. If you sit Gates you lose 2-3 inches and play pure small ball. XU has a shot next year of starting a more legit front line with two bigs and three guards.

O'Mara is a true center, if London/Ekiyor/Jones emerge as starter quality size will again be a positive.

I have read a few next year reviews of XU and all are ignoring Reynolds being 23 this year. They expect him back. They are actually mentioning Bluiett testing draft waters. Now, I think for him it's a good idea, but only from the notion of getting feedback of things to work on.

[AviatorX]

I would imagine the starting lineup will definitely have Blueitt at the 4. I thought, for the most part, that worked pretty well for Xavier, especially with Bluiett's defensive improvement. I think the staff likes the smaller lineup and played two bigs at points this year because XU had two really good bigs. One would think Sumner, Davis. Maura, Bluiett, O'Mara/Gaston would be a safe bet.

[markchal]

I would imagine the starting lineup will definitely have Blueitt at the 4. I thought, for the most part, that worked pretty well for Xavier, especially with Bluiett's defensive improvement. I think the staff likes the smaller lineup and played two bigs at points this year because XU had two really good bigs. One would think Sumner, Davis. Maura, Bluiett, O'Mara/Gaston would be a safe bet.

I think that's the way to get our best players on the floor. JP has to start, IMO. It leaves us a little thin at the 2/3 off the bench, though.

[Xville]

I'd rather have gates start at the four. I hate the four guard lineup to be quite frank. I'm guessing Gaston starts at the 5, Gates at the 4, tre at the 3, sumner and Myles at the guard spots.

One thing about Xavier is we have to get more athletic and by that I mean being able to defend man to man better, and having a guard that can drive to the hoop and finish thru contact. Sumner may be that next year but he absolutely has to put on weight to do it.

[Dmartin]

This is a great thread, since I can't stop thinking about last night and the what if's it's nice to turn the page.
If Jalen does come back look out Big East. He gets better the more he time he plays, with his propensity for fouls then that still leaves playing time for Gaston and Omara. Jalen would get a double double every game, lead the Big East in rebounds and be the best Big East center.

I would start JP and have Gates come in as needed for larger longer match ups, JP is more than a good player he's an energy inducer.

LAJ improved a ton over last year but still has the turnovers and the deer in the headlights look at times, but I see him getting much better and relieving Myles as needed and used for Defensive match ups with smaller quicker guards.

[XUMIOH12]

I'd rather have gates start at the four. I hate the four guard lineup to be quite frank. I'm guessing Gaston starts at the 5, Gates at the 4, tre at the 3, sumner and Myles at the guard spots.

One thing about Xavier is we have to get more athletic and by that I mean being able to defend man to man better, and having a guard that can drive to the hoop and finish thru contact. Sumner may be that next year but he absolutely has to put on weight to do it.

yeah, xavier's lack of athleticism hurt them at times this year. But theres not much to do to improve that. Sumner needs to continue to get stronger and learn to draw the contact when driving or finish through it or both. There were way too many times this year where he would drive to the basket, get bumped, but not enough to get a call and then miss the shot.

[muethibp]

This was in Daugherty's Morning Line this morning:


Jalen Reynolds has another year of eligibility. He told me in Looie that he wanted to play next year, and might pursue a graduate degree.
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/columnists/paul-daugherty/2016/03/22/morning-line-322/82112646/

Of course he also told Shannon Russell that he has placed his future "in God's hands." Always a good place for things but I am surprised that God is taking an interest in where Jalen plays basketball next year.

[XU 87]

My top secret inside sources tell me Jalen may be back next year.

Of course, I was previously told earlier this year there was 0% chance he would be back.

[smileyy]

I am interested to see what Jalen's athleticism can do at the next level, less "constrained" by college basketball systems. There are players who find more success in the NBA than they were able to in NCAA basketball.

It would be interesting to see him back; it would change the character of the team (positively). He brings an athleticism that is thus far unproven among rising bigs.

[XU 87]

Of course he also told Shannon Russell that he has placed his future "in God's hands." Always a good place for things but I am surprised that God is taking an interest in where Jalen plays basketball next year.

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

[muethibp]

The Lord works in mysterious ways.

As my 9-year-old said when he heard us talking about Jalen placing his future in God's hands, "Then that means he will come back since God would want Jalen to be in school, right?"

[XU 87]

As my 9-year-old said when he heard us talking about Jalen placing his future in God's hands, "Then that means he will come back since God would want Jalen to be in school, right?"

I tend to think that God is more of a capitalist and would like Jalen to go pro and earn a living.

[xuwin]

I don't see anyway he comes back. He's 23, there's only so much that another year of experience can change for his stock. Physically speaking, he cannot get anymore developed.

Another year of experience could get him his masters degree.

[Snipe]

Jalen is an athlete and a scholar! He is gonna start on that Xavier MBA.

[xuwin]

I am interested to see what Jalen's athleticism can do at the next level, less "constrained" by college basketball systems. There are players who find more success in the NBA than they were able to in NCAA basketball.

It would be interesting to see him back; it would change the character of the team (positively). He brings an athleticism that is thus far unproven among rising bigs.

What players have been more successful in the NBA than in NCAA basketball?

[XUGRAD80]

What players have been more successful in the NBA than in NCAA basketball?

Curry, for one. Although he become well known after the NCAA toruney his senior year, he certainly wasn't nearly as successful and highly thought of in college, as he is today. The other one that leaps to my mind is Dennis Rodman. I don't follow the pro game hardly at all, so I can't really come up with any others off the top of my head. But I'm sure there are lots of players that have become very solid pro players, or even stars, after spending much of their college careers in relative obscurity. Of course, it goes the other way more often where a college star never becomes a successful pro, but there are certainly players whose talents are more aligned with the pro style than they are the college game.

[scoscox]

Michael Jordan comes to mind. Honestly it happens quite a bit

[scoscox]

Not that Jordan wasn't good in college. He was just better in the NBA.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Andrew Wiggins says you are absolutely correct.


What players have been more successful in the NBA than in NCAA basketball?

[drudy23]

Jalen will be back. He made a pledge to get us to the Final Four.

I thought the light went on for Jalen in the 2015 tournament where he finally realized he couldn't be stopped. We saw that Jalen in maybe 2-3 games this year. A perfect mentor for him would be Matt Stainbrook. Can you imagine Jalen's athleticism with Stainbrook's footwork, IQ, and passing ability?

Jalen could have been our Adreian Payne.

[blueblood]

What players have been more successful in the NBA than in NCAA basketball?

First one that jumps to mind for me is Aaron Williams. In a sense, he was kind of like Jeff Robinson with flashes of brilliance at X but always leaving you frustrated. Difference is that Aaron figured it all out and had a decade long NBA career.

[Xavier]

What players have been more successful in the NBA than in NCAA basketball?

Kawhi Leonard, Damian Lillard. Frankly, almost all of them are more successful IMO.

[Juice]

Kawhi Leonard, Damian Lillard. Frankly, almost all of them are more successful IMO.

Ehhhh, I don't agree with that. Lillard had awesome stats in college and was the 6th overall pick. Kawhi was the 15th pick and averaged a double-double his sophomore. Have they refined their games and improved? Absolutely. What NBA player hasn't? But their "lack of success" probably has more to do with them playing for Weber State and San Diego State.

[XMuskieFTW]

Tarik Black. His career numbers in the NBA are better than his senior year numbers lol

[scoscox]

Ehhhh, I don't agree with that. Lillard had awesome stats in college and was the 6th overall pick. Kawhi was the 15th pick and averaged a double-double his sophomore. Have they refined their games and improved? Absolutely. What NBA player hasn't? But their "lack of success" probably has more to do with them playing for Weber State and San Diego State.

I would say they've been better than expected though meaning they were a little under the radar going into the nba and have since exploded. Happens all the time in almost every sport really. Extreme examples would be guys like Dennis rodman and Kurt Warner literally getting picked up off the street. Tom Brady being a 7th round pick. Happens all. The. Time.

[GoMuskies]

Kawhi Leonard was fantastic in college for a great San Diego State team.

[drudy23]

And he's NBA MVP worthy now.

[smileyy]

College basketball coaching systems are....well, the term "bondage and discipline" comes to mind. Some players do better out of that mold. Some players find the NBA/professional development opportunities better suited to their game.

Who ever would have predicted that Ira Newble would get 7500 NBA minutes?

[XUMIOH12]

Ehhhh, I don't agree with that. Lillard had awesome stats in college and was the 6th overall pick. Kawhi was the 15th pick and averaged a double-double his sophomore. Have they refined their games and improved? Absolutely. What NBA player hasn't? But their "lack of success" probably has more to do with them playing for Weber State and San Diego State.

yeah what a surprise! players with NBA talent/athleticism out of college who improve in the NBA, since when does that happen...

[Milhouse]

There are tons of guys that weren't knockout stars in college that are doing better in the NBA.

Literally when Basketball is your only focus and you've got professional level trainers/facilities a ton of guys can develop so much faster.

Who knows what Jalen would do? I selfishly hope he comes back, but I'd be hard pressed to turn down money if I were him.

[XUFan09]

I agree that some players seem better suited to the NBA game, but I'd wager that some of the examples of this are really the NBA drafting on potential that has not yet been actualized.

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[NY44]

Tarik Black. His career numbers in the NBA are better than his senior year numbers lol

I raise you Hassan Whiteside.

[XUMIOH12]

I raise you Hassan Whiteside.

Hassan Whiteside had great numbers in his 1 year of college

[XUMIOH12]

I agree that some players seem better suited to the NBA game, but I'd wager that some of the examples of this are really the NBA drafting on potential that has not yet been actualized.

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yeah, like someone said earlier, when you have potential and you work with pro level trainers and all you do is basketball, you begin to reach your full abilities.

[scoscox]

These are all obvious things, but the implied statement was that no one improves from their college career to their NBA career, which is just not true in a great many cases. What you guys are saying hasn't contradicted that at all.

[XfansinKy]

Anybody know when a decision will be made? If it's already been mentioned, my bad, I skipped a bunch of posts.

[XUMIOH12]

Anybody know when a decision will be made? If it's already been mentioned, my bad, I skipped a bunch of posts.

No

[xukeith]

No

He says its in God's hands.

[XUMIOH12]

He says its in God's hands.

and we don't know when God will decide

[Masterofreality]

and we don't know when God will decide

God is Eternal.

[XfansinKy]

God is Eternal.

It could be a long time then right?

[xu82]

God is Eternal.

...and Jalen seems right behind Him.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

[muethibp]

It could be a long time then right?

Being omniscient, I'm sure he's aware of the filing deadline.

[XUFan09]

He says its in God's hands.


and we don't know when God will decide



God is Eternal.


It could be a long time then right?


...and Jalen seems right behind Him.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.


Being omniscient, I'm sure he's aware of the filing deadline.
I love this board.

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[MADXSTER]

If Jalen does come back.........

[smileyy]

I agree that some players seem better suited to the NBA game, but I'd wager that some of the examples of this are really the NBA drafting on potential that has not yet been actualized.

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Hmm...could there be a player this thread is talking about who may have unrealized potential?

[X-ceptional]

If Jalen does come back.........

Were you there? Did you hear? God spoke: "Thou shalt remain at Xavier until The Final 4 is delivered, as was foretold."

Then, God looked at The Final Four He had made, and found it very good

[SemajParlor]

What players have been more successful in the NBA than in NCAA basketball?

Just about every starter in the NBA for one.

[XMuskieFTW]

Jalen just posted a video to his instagram. Someone introduces Jalen to Carmelo Anthony saying, "Jalen playing for Xavier. He's going to the draft next year." I'm going to read way too much into this so everyone join along!

[GIMMFD]

Jalen just posted a video to his instagram. Someone introduces Jalen to Carmelo Anthony saying, "Jalen playing for Xavier. He's going to the draft next year." I'm going to read way too much into this so everyone join along!

I can't get excited, I'm used to too much disappointment in my life. However, there is a glimmer of hope for me.

[XMuskieFTW]

I can't get excited, I'm used to too much disappointment in my life. However, there is a glimmer of hope for me.

The past week or so my hope has grown from about 15-20% to 30%. As long as I don't let myself get over 50 I'll be okay haha

[bleedXblue]

I know I will get bashed for this so everyone just bring it on.

I for one think it's in Xavier's best interest to move on without Jalen.

Sure he's a nice player, but he brings way too much distraction with his on court antics. He really didn't improve last year and IMHO was a disappointment from that perspective. I think developing younger players and guys like O'Mara is the better way to go.

[XUGRAD80]

I know I will get bashed for this so everyone just bring it on.

I for one think it's in Xavier's best interest to move on without Jalen.

Sure he's a nice player, but he brings way too much distraction with his on court antics. He really didn't improve last year and IMHO was a disappointment from that perspective. I think developing younger players and guys like O'Mara is the better way to go.

Not going to bash...it's certainly an interesting take, even if others may not agree. My feeling is that NO player is perfect and EVERY player has areas they can improve upon. Both players have areas of strength and areas of weakness. I'm not sure I fully buy the distraction complaint because I think that sometimes he actually gets other players excited by his "antics", but I can understand your opinion. I'd like to see him come back, but I don't think it's the end of the world if he doesn't. I think that either way Sean will get a lot of playing time and will continue to develop.

[Milhouse]

Yeah I think Jalen's gone. He also had an instagram telling prozingas he'll see him soon.

[Xavier]

Most everyone thinks it's a safe bet he is gone. Only reason I thought he'd stay for a little bit is because we had such a good season but really disappointing tournament but few weeks removed and I'm back to thinking there is little to no chance he's back.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I am in the camp that he is gone, but there is that glimmer of hope. The Prozingas comment is most likely just a workout. I wouldn't look too much into any of that. I would wait for him to announce he is gone.

Thompson would be nice, but I think he is gone to Syracuse at this point.

[XUFan09]

I am in the camp that he is gone, but there is that glimmer of hope. The Prozingas comment is most likely just a workout. I wouldn't look too much into any of that. I would wait for him to announce he is gone.

Thompson would be nice, but I think he is gone to Syracuse at this point.
The weird thing with Thompson is that it looks like he's been gone to Syracuse since October or something like that. The fact that the process has been drawn out really makes him less predictable in where he'll go.

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[ArizonaXUGrad]

You are right, it could be a clearing house issue as well. Actually, is Syracuse at the limit? They only get 10 scholarships I think this year. They might be Creaning a guy or waiting to see if Lydon stays in the draft.


The weird thing with Thompson is that it looks like he's been gone to Syracuse since October or something like that. The fact that the process has been drawn out really makes him less predictable in where he'll go.

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[XMuskieFTW]

The weird thing with Thompson is that it looks like he's been gone to Syracuse since October or something like that. The fact that the process has been drawn out really makes him less predictable in where he'll go.

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This and the fact that as of a few weeks ago we were still actively recruiting him. In this day and age where you can almost always expect someone to leave early or transfer, recruiting doesn't stop once the scholarships are full. Would love to get him, but would be a very strange class with 3 freshman PFs

[GIMMFD]

This and the fact that as of a few weeks ago we were still actively recruiting him. In this day and age where you can almost always expect someone to leave early or transfer, recruiting doesn't stop once the scholarships are full. Would love to get him, but would be a very strange class with 3 freshman PFs

Yeah I feel like Thompson would push someone out to transfer, 3 PF's is very strange, and kind of unnecessary, but we would have some damn good depth in the front court. I think we're done recruiting true freshmen, could possibly get a grad transfer, but even then seems a little unlikely at this point. We wait and see what Jalen does, I think he's gone, so I hope Gates and O'Mara are ready to step-up for us next season.