XAVIER vs SETON HALL

[Roach]

I'm far more worried about Seton Hall than I am Villanova.


Said no one, ever.

Sometimes, I hate being right.

[xu82]

Xavier is about to leave NEW JERSEY. Who's the winner now?!?!

[Muskeagle]

That was not a block on JP. But I did love him dis the ref trying to help him up.

Yeah...reffing had nothing to do with this loss.....but that's been a charge all year long.

[Xavier]

Chalk this up to 1 of those games only thing that sucks about it is the chance to have moved to #2 in the polls and a chance to have got a #1 seed.

I think now to get a #1 seed X needs to win out including the BE tournament otherwise looking at a #2 seed. Need to at least beat Creighton and win a 1st round game in BE to get that #2 seed.

Yep. Win out and we are a 1 seed, anything short of that a 2. Lose out probably a 3.

[GoMuskies]

Maybe that gets Jalen going.

[Lloyd Braun]

BS technical too

[HenryMuto]

Well if there was any hope it just went down the drain probably on the technical.

[GoMuskies]

Or maybe Jalen will act like a stupid ass hole.

[paulxu]

What did he do? It looked like he was coming back to the end line to press the inbound pass?

[bjf123]

My wife's been out of town so recorded the Nova game so she could watch. I have zero desire to see it after this showing today.


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[paulxu]

Why let Abell take that 3?

[xu82]

Why let Abell take that 3?

After 3 GOOD shooters passed.

[GoMuskies]

Another missed layup. Sweet.

[GIMMFD]

I want them in the Big East tournament.

[BandAid]

Can't run on a basketball court. If you do, you get a technical

[XMuskieFTW]

Why let Abell take that 3?

Cause he's a decent 3 point shooter and was wide open...

[GoMuskies]

Why let Abell take that 3?

Remy says in your face!

[Roach]

That was an absolute bullshit technical on Jalen. I'm at the game. He was still a good 6 or 7 feet away from the dude when the whistle blew. Unless Jalen said something really foul, that was the ref being dumb.

[xu82]

I REALLY want to get it to single digits.

[XUBob]

I'm as disappointed and frustrated today as anyone. I usually get heated and want to fire everybody but don't feel that way today. X was awful, the Hall wanted it more. The frustrating thing is this mirrored the Creighton game. Inside game didn't work early and the Muskies abandoned it, too many ill advised threes early. Out hustled on the boards before you know it, down double digits on the road against a good team, not a formula for success. Hopefully lessons are learned. Another troubling aspect of this team is their loss of physicality when losing. I thought we went into a bit of a shell and the the Hall get where ever they wanted on the court. Someone needed to be challenged. Oh well, hope the Muskies are fired up for Creighton.

[GoMuskies]

Did the announcers forget Virginia lost?

[skyking]

Anyone have a Men in Black neuralyzer that I can borrow? Need to forget this one.

[paulxu]

Remy says in your face!

My bad, I guess.

Hearing all the not great stuff now. We sure as hell can't play like this in the tournament or we'll have an early exit.
Did like the way we put on a push in the second half. Not our day I guess. But boy Mack can't be happy with some of the sloppy play.

As Abell shuts me up again.

[bjf123]

Anyone have a Men in Black neuralyzer that I can borrow? Need to forget this one.

This.


Golf is a relatively simple game, played by reasonably intelligent people, stupidly.
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[mistabeecee41]

Yeah, fuck Delgado. He hit Tre high and stared him down after it.

[xu82]

Anyone have a Men in Black neuralyzer that I can borrow? Need to forget this one.

Mine is in the shop....

[GoMuskies]

Because his shot is so damned ugly, I don't like seeing Remy shoot, either, Paul. But it does somehow go in at a decent rate.

[xu82]

Remy looks like he learned to shoot in middle school when he wasn't strong enough to get the ball to the rim, and he never changed it.

[xu82]

I may have gotten the score right, but the team's wrong.

[skyking]

Well, we did play better in the second half. Small consolation.

[Jesuit4Life]

Welp, good time to have a few days without a game.

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[GoMuskies]

The final score is false advertising.

[Roach]

It was at least nice to see Kinde getting some quality minutes.

[HenryMuto]

I REALLY want to get it to single digits.

You got your wish

[GoMuskies]

Oh, and Ron Thompson is a cocksucker.

[JohnW22]

The one thing I got out of that game was we came off a big win earlier this week. I got to hear that every minute.

[mohr5150]

X sucked today. They made horrible passes, couldn't hit layups, and played bad defense. That said, it makes it very, very difficult for a ream to play well when the game is called so differently on the two ends of the court. Whitehead was very, very physical all day long with whoever he was guarding. I'm fine with that, unless you call 8,000,000 touch fouls at the other end. That happened today. I don't know how many times I saw Bluiett get mugged today with no call made, but at the other end touch fouls galore. Macura ' s last foul and the tech on Reynolds were total bull. There was a lot of stinky basketball played by X, but the refs made it that much more difficult.

[Lloyd Braun]

I blame Steph Curry. I hate that guy. You know all the X players were up late watching that game...

[LA Muskie]

Oh well. That sucked. Hard to get too worked up though. Talented opponent. On the road. Following a huge emotional game earlier in the week. And it's only our 4th loss all season.

Gonna put this one in the "can't win them all" category and enjoy the rest of my day -- including celebrating out next door neighbor and good friend's first Oscar nomination (and hopefully win) for writing Straight Outta Compton.


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[GoMuskies]

Can't watch the Oscars. Too white. And also I don't care. It's for one of those two reasons I won't watch.

[LA Muskie]

I usually wouldn't either. And I still won't watch most of them. But we'll be rooting hard for her.


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[THRILLHOUSE]

I usually wouldn't either. And I still won't watch most of them. But we'll be rooting hard for her.


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I think Spotlight wins that category, but good luck to your friend!

[THRILLHOUSE]

and yeah, today sucked. Missed another opportunity to get in the Top 3. But oh well, beat Creighton then win the Big East Tourney and can still get a 1 seed.

[Caveat]

Disappointing to lose to such a mediocre team, but this is what happens when you read your press clippings instead of prepping for a winnable road game.

Hopefully Mack runs the team to death in practice to underline just how unacceptable the effort level was today.

[bjf123]

Oh well. That sucked. Hard to get too worked up though. Talented opponent. On the road. Following a huge emotional game earlier in the week. And it's only our 4th loss all season.

Gonna put this one in the "can't win them all" category and enjoy the rest of my day -- including celebrating out next door neighbor and good friend's first Oscar nomination (and hopefully win) for writing Straight Outta Compton.


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Best of luck to your neighbor. That's pretty cool.


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[waggy]

Hopefully Mack runs the team to death in practice to underline just how unacceptable the effort level was today.


This would be idiotic. How about just the brink of death?

[THRILLHOUSE]

Disappointing to lose to such a mediocre team, but this is what happens when you read your press clippings instead of prepping for a winnable road game.

Hopefully Mack runs the team to death in practice to underline just how unacceptable the effort level was today.

Seton Hall is Top 40 RPI, 3rd in the Big East and now 21 - 7 overall. Mediocre? C'mon.

[X-man]

Oh, and Ron Thompson is a cocksucker.

I think that Thompson and Kutcher must be play-by-play guys for SH. I have never heard such a lame and one-sided call of the game. Of course, that didn't lose the game for us; it just made watching (and listening) that much worse. The guy who said "Curry range" has a woodie for Whitehead, and conveniently ignored Myles' "Curry range" answer 3 seconds later.

[Caveat]

Seton Hall is Top 40 RPI, 3rd in the Big East and now 21 - 7 overall. Mediocre? C'mon.

Right. They aren't a good team. They aren't a bad team. They're part of that 30-70 crowd. Hence - mediocre. They're a team as talented as Xavier is should beat 9 times out of 10

[scoscox]

Well, if we would have taken care of the ball, rebounded, and hit our layups we would've won the game. It was sickening how many times we shot ourselves in the foot. Myles especially was terrible in this one.

[waggy]

Right. They aren't a good team. They aren't a bad team. They're part of that 30-70 crowd. Hence - mediocre. They're a team as talented as Xavier is should beat 9 times out of 10


Even if you were right, which you aren't, then this is just the 1 out of 10. Deal with it.

[XU 87]

Right. They aren't a good team. They aren't a bad team. They're part of that 30-70 crowd. Hence - mediocre. They're a team as talented as Xavier is should beat 9 times out of 10

They're a good team. Mediocre teams don't have top 40 RPI's in March (at least a top 35 after this game), aren't third in the Big East, and mediocre teams don't usually get at large bids to the tourney.

Seton Hall was solidly in the NCAA (projected 8th seed by ESPN), even before this game.

[waggy]

Sagarin would've given X a 56% chance of winning. That's pretty far from 9 out of 10.

[xubrew]

Right. They aren't a good team. They aren't a bad team. They're part of that 30-70 crowd. Hence - mediocre. They're a team as talented as Xavier is should beat 9 times out of 10

Seton Hall is 13-3 at home, and they've won nine out of their last ten on the season. I'd consider that "good." I don't think a #1 seed would beat any team that's in the tournament as an at-large on the road nine out of ten times. I don't think there is a single team in the nation that's 9-1 against tournament teams in true road games.

[muethibp]

Sagarin would've given X a 56% chance of winning. That's pretty far from 9 out of 10.

And that's just the computer. Which doesn't well compute emotion and that human beings play the game. If you are surprised that a bunch of teenagers ad 20-somethings won that emotional game in Cincinnati on Wednesday and then had to fly to New Jersey and didn't carry forward the same emotion - and at the same time met a team that couldn't WAIT to play us - then you haven't watched college basketball pretty much ever.

[GetUp5]

Right. They aren't a good team. They aren't a bad team. They're part of that 30-70 crowd. Hence - mediocre. They're a team as talented as Xavier is should beat 9 times out of 10

This is so, so, so, so stupid on so many levels.

Watch a CBB game other than Xavier every once in awhile.

A win at Seton Hall (33 in KenPom) is equal to a top 10 KenPom win at home. I won't hold my breath on you understanding that, though.

[GoMuskies]

They're a good team. Mediocre teams don't have top 40 RPI's in March (at least a top 35 after this game), aren't third in the Big East, and mediocre teams don't usually get at large bids to the tourney.

Seton Hall was solidly in the NCAA (projected 8th seed by ESPN), even before this game.

I think the NCAA Tournament is full of pretty mediocre at large teams.

It's a game we should have won, but we played like shit and got rolled. It sucked, but it's not the end of the world. I don't think it's a systemic issue with the team, so I'm not that worried (other than with the defense a little)

[Caveat]

You can rationalize this loss however you choose, but the fact of the matter is that virtually everyone agrees Xavier is a superior team and will be forced to win better games than this if they want to fulfil the expectations most people have for them.

We're getting to the point in the season where "get them next week" and "the computers only gave us an X% chance to win anyway" stop mattering. You have to beat the team's you are better than -- especially the teams that are unranked and not used to the stage.

[waggy]

You can rationalize this loss however you choose, but the fact of the matter is that virtually everyone agrees Xavier is a superior team and will be forced to win better games than this if they want to fulfil the expectations most people have for them.

We're getting to the point in the season where "get them next week" and "the computers only gave us an X% chance to win anyway" stop mattering. You have to beat the team's you are better than -- especially the teams that are unranked and not used to the stage.


Obviously the X program just isn't worthy of an awesome fan as yourself, so you should just move on to a program that can meet your lofty expectations.

[waggy]

Which reminds me, you said you were done hours ago...

[markchal]

I'm surprised at how often we come out flat.

[drudy23]

It's hard to win on the road. I wouldn't say today was predictable, but today was predictable.

Luckily, NCAA games are on neutral courts.

[skyking]

If history repeats itself, X's next few opponents should watch out. Mack will have them ready.

[bobbiemcgee]

We went 12-0 OOC and have a chance to go 14-4 in conf. I'm pretty damn happy. Will have beat every BE Team. Progress, my friends!

[XUGRAD80]

How X does in the conf tourney, and how OTHER TEAMS do in theirs, will have much more to do with how X is seeded, than this game did. Once X gets into the NCAA tourney it's a new season. Y'all can talk %'es all you want, but X just needs to beat the opponents they are given, wherever/whenever they play them. Nothing else matters. I'm certainly not going to stress out over this lose. Time to move on, get revenge against the Bluejays and then win games at MSG. After that the REAL season begins. GO X!

[scoscox]

The free throw discrepancy today was outrageous. they were 26-37 and we were 11-17. That is literally the entire game and then some by quite a bit. Must be nice playing at home. If it's more even and we hit our layups we win easily.

[Xville]

Played like poo, need to be better defensively. Lots of us saw this coming coming off such an emotional win. Also, seton hall is a damn good team, and one I can see playing the second weekend of the real tourney. Those who say they are mediocre, sorry but you have no clue what you are talking about. They are long, athletic and maturing in the mental aspect of the game.

It will be interesting to see what happens when we play them on a neutral court in a couple weeks. Semis and finals of the big east tourney are going to be very tough.

[Caveat]

Obviously the X program just isn't worthy of an awesome fan as yourself, so you should just move on to a program that can meet your lofty expectations.

I suspect I'm not alone in expecting Xavier to be able to beat teams like Seton Hall. They're the exact type of team you run into in the 2nd round and Sweet-16 of the tournament -- and I know most people on here expect this Xavier team to advance past those rounds this year.

[Muskeagle]

You can rationalize this loss however you choose, but the fact of the matter is that virtually everyone agrees Xavier is a superior team and will be forced to win better games than this if they want to fulfil the expectations most people have for them.

We're getting to the point in the season where "get them next week" and "the computers only gave us an X% chance to win anyway" stop mattering. You have to beat the team's you are better than -- especially the teams that are unranked and not used to the stage.

Find me the team that hasn't lost a game this season that they "should have won"----oh yeah, that's right. There's no one in college hoops who can say that. No one.

[LA Muskie]

Sagarin would've given X a 56% chance of winning. That's pretty far from 9 out of 10.

And Kenpom had us as a 1pt dog.


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[waggy]

I suspect I'm not alone in expecting Xavier to be able to beat teams like Seton Hall. They're the exact type of team you run into in the 2nd round and Sweet-16 of the tournament -- and I know most people on here expect this Xavier team to advance past those rounds this year.

I expected them to win today. But I'm not crying and throwing a fit like a child, and expecting the coach to run them to death, because they didn't.

Get over yourself. Seriously.

[LA Muskie]

You can rationalize this loss however you choose, but the fact of the matter is that virtually everyone agrees Xavier is a superior team and will be forced to win better games than this if they want to fulfil the expectations most people have for them.

We're getting to the point in the season where "get them next week" and "the computers only gave us an X% chance to win anyway" stop mattering. You have to beat the team's you are better than -- especially the teams that are unranked and not used to the stage.

I get what you're saying. But do you understand the impact of playing in the road? It changes the dynamic. Superior teams lose to inferior teams on the road all the time. There's a reason it's called a "home court advantage."

Would I have loved to win today? Obviously. But I'm not shocked we didn't. We all knew (or should have known) it was not going to be easy.

We have one home game left -- which I fully expect to win -- and then it's onto the postseason where all our games are played on neutral courts. And mind you we haven't lost a neutral court game all year.


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[LA Muskie]

The free throw discrepancy today was outrageous. they were 26-37 and we were 11-17. That is literally the entire game and then some by quite a bit. Must be nice playing at home. If it's more even and we hit our layups we win easily.

On the other hand they were the far more aggressive, active team. One could complain about a lot today. Officiating should not be one of them.


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[XUFan09]

I only glanced at a couple posts, but are people really acting like Xavier "should" have won. I'm disappointed in how they lost, but this game was a coin flip going in. Venue matters a lot; if you don't know that yet as a college basketball fan, it's time to educate yourself.

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[xu82]

I'm just hoping Mack gets them to peak at the right time. I don't like to see them lose, but hey, it happens. Better today than in the Tournament. I'm not even that concerned with the BE Tourney, I want to make a deep run in the Big Dance. We'll have a pretty high seed regardless, and a team that can do some damage.

[Caveat]

I expected them to win today. But I'm not crying and throwing a fit like a child, and expecting the coach to run them to death, because they didn't.

Get over yourself. Seriously.

They should be run to death for playing lifeless basketball, blowing defensive assignments, rebounding poorly, and missing layups. There was a stunning lack of focus at the start of this game (much like the loss to Creighton).

And I'm not whining. I'm noting that the chatter about this team -- among the media and fans -- after Nova was "could be a Final Four team." That's fine, but a Final Four type team doesn't get to say "road games are tough" after an L. Those types of teams go on the road and handle their business against unranked opponents. The road is a tough place to win for an average NCAA team. I think expectations for this Xavier team have moved beyond "average."

I'm done arguing about it. Next game is a must-win to get momentum back.

[waggy]

They should be run to death for playing lifeless basketball, blowing defensive assignments, rebounding poorly, and missing layups. There was a stunning lack of focus at the start of this game (much like the loss to Creighton).

And I'm not whining. I'm noting that the chatter about this team -- among the media and fans -- after Nova was "could be a Final Four team." That's fine, but a Final Four type team doesn't get to say "road games are tough" after an L. Those types of teams go on the road and handle their business against unranked opponents. The road is a tough place to win for an average NCAA team. I think expectations for this Xavier team have moved beyond "average."

I'm done arguing about it. Next game is a must-win to get momentum back.


You're just flat wrong. And there are tons of examples. An easy one is UConn won the NC 2 seasons ago after losing a number of road games against "average" teams, and in fact at least one that didn't even make the tourney.

[LA Muskie]

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[LA Muskie]

They should be run to death for playing lifeless basketball, blowing defensive assignments, rebounding poorly, and missing layups. There was a stunning lack of focus at the start of this game (much like the loss to Creighton).

And I'm not whining. I'm noting that the chatter about this team -- among the media and fans -- after Nova was "could be a Final Four team." That's fine, but a Final Four type team doesn't get to say "road games are tough" after an L. Those types of teams go on the road and handle their business against unranked opponents. The road is a tough place to win for an average NCAA team. I think expectations for this Xavier team have moved beyond "average."

I'm done arguing about it. Next game is a must-win to get momentum back.

Yeah that ever happens. KU didn't lose at OSU. OK didn't lose at KSU or TX Tech. Nova didn't lose (at home) to Providence. UVA didn't lose at GW, VaTech, GTech, and FSU. UNC didn't lose at UNI. MSU didn't lose at Wisconsin (or at home to Nebraska).

The superior team wins every game. All the time.

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[XUFan09]

The story of top 10 teams this season (and just about any season) is losing some tough road games.

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[letskeepitreal]

We just got out muscled and out hustled today by a good team on a roll. We just have to rebound and take care of business down the road. We're kind of in uncharted territory here.

[GoMuskies]

I only glanced at a couple posts, but are people really acting like Xavier "should" have won. I'm disappointed in how they lost, but this game was a coin flip going in. Venue matters a lot; if you don't know that yet as a college basketball fan, it's time to educate yourself.

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Venue or not, that IS a game a top 10 team should win. It's ABSOLUTELY a game that a top 5 team should at least be competitive in.

At the end of the day, it's no disaster, but it sucked out loud.

[Xavier]

I suspect I'm not alone in expecting Xavier to be able to beat teams like Seton Hall. They're the exact type of team you run into in the 2nd round and Sweet-16 of the tournament -- and I know most people on here expect this Xavier team to advance past those rounds this year.

Any chance you can give an example of a top 15 team that hasn't had a loss like this?

I don't expect you to, I also know your posts are likely more emotional than logical after the game. Really the only explanation and is likely the case anyways.

[XUFan09]

Venue or not, that IS a game a top 10 team should win. It's ABSOLUTELY a game that a top 5 team should at least be competitive in.

At the end of the day, it's no disaster, but it sucked out loud.

By any metric, teams just outside the top 25 (like Seton Hall) playing on their home court are the equivalent of top 10 teams playing on a neutral court. I agree that how they lost sucked and shouldn't have happened, but when you make the adjustment for venue, it's not nearly the outlier some make it out to be.

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[waggy]

Venue or not, that IS a game a top 10 team should win. It's ABSOLUTELY a game that a top 5 team should at least be competitive in.

At the end of the day, it's no disaster, but it sucked out loud.


Well maybe X isn't a top 10 team.

I'm afraid some fans are going to be severly let down if they are expecting a final four.

[GoMuskies]

By any metric, teams just outside the top 25 (like Seton Hall) playing on their home court are the equivalent of top 10 teams playing on a neutral court. I agree that how they lost sucked and shouldn't have happened, but when you make the adjustment for venue, it's not nearly the outlier some make it out to be.

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It's not a crazy result, as we were only two point favorites. But it IS a game we should win.

[Xavier]

Venue or not, that IS a game a top 10 team should win. It's ABSOLUTELY a game that a top 5 team should at least be competitive in.

At the end of the day, it's no disaster, but it sucked out loud.

I agree with this- in no way did Xavier resemble a top 10 team today. Pretty disappointing, no doubt. SH also has more BE home losses than road losses.

[Juice]

Any chance you can give an example of a top 15 team that hasn't had a loss like this?

I don't expect you to, I also know your posts are likely more emotional than logical after the game. Really the only explanation and is likely the case anyways.

What's crazy is that this is probably our "second best loss" if that makes. Order of our losses: Villanova (away), Seton Hall (away), Creighton (away) and Georgetown (Home).

If X played a halfway decent game they would have won but they didn't against a decent team who was fired up to play. It sucks but it happens. And I'm typing this after just watching Iowa lose on the road to OSU who is not even close to as good as Seton Hall.

[Xavier]

Well maybe X isn't a top 10 team.

I'm afraid some fans are going to be severly let down if they are expecting a final four.

Sweet 16 is my expectation. After that, really all depends on matchups and who X would face to expect anything more. Anything less is a big let down, though.

[GoMuskies]

Well maybe X isn't a top 10 team.



That is certainly a concern. KenPom and Sagarin say we're not, and I put a lot of stock in what those systems have to say.

[waggy]

That is certainly a concern. KenPom and Sagarin say we're not, and I put a lot of stock in what those systems have to say.

The alternatives are the RPI and the AP.

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Fool yourself all you want..

[Xavier]

That is certainly a concern. KenPom and Sagarin say we're not, and I put a lot of stock in what those systems have to say.

Well, Sagarin did have X as 10 today. (Hasn't been updated for the loss) and KenPom has X at 13 (which has been updated...not sure what it was before the game).

[XUFan09]

That is certainly a concern. KenPom and Sagarin say we're not, and I put a lot of stock in what those systems have to say.
With a grain of salt. There are different ways of letting up and giving up leads late in games. There are the teams that do it because they are hard-pressed to maintain such leads and there are the teams who just play really loose and know they are going to win. Xavier is the latter, and though it hurts their advanced metric ratings, it doesn't reflect the actual quality of the team. I don't think it's going to be an issue in a single-elimination tournament, anyway.

Also, their victory margin against sub-200 teams just isn't good on average, but it's the same high level of confidence that leads to them playing like that. They're not seeing any sub-200 teams after the first round, so who cares how they perform against such teams?

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[sirthought]

The team are obviously many steps away from greatness, but there are a couple positives to look at.

Not that this matters now, as a loss is a loss, but they shot 50% from the field in the second half and 53% from 3 pt land. That was short in cover overcoming the poor first half shooting, but it's impressive to see that they were able to muster so much better shooting to fight for the game.

If they could just have defended better in the first half, we likely could have withstood our offensive woes and made it less of an uphill battle.

[Xville]

The team are obviously many steps away from greatness, but there are a couple positives to look at.

Not that this matters now, as a loss is a loss, but they shot 50% from the field in the second half and 53% from 3 pt land. That was short in cover overcoming the poor first half shooting, but it's impressive to see that they were able to muster so much better shooting to fight for the game.

If they could just have defended better in the first half, we likely could have withstood our offensive woes and made it less of an uphill battle.

Offense is not a concern with this team, it's defense that is the concern especially against athletic guards in my opinion and it's been that way all year long. We just aren't a very good defensive team...even against nova they werent good defensively. They didn't have Jenkins or ochefu for basically half the game and they still scored in the 80s. We gave up 90 points to Seton hall. Hall is a good team but that's absurd.

[xudash]

Sorry they lost, obviously.

But as 60 Minutes finishes up, Gumbell breaks in with the CBS Sports Update (paraphrasing):In college basketball today, Number 5 Xavier was upset by Seton Hall, Iowa was downed by the Buckeyes, and Duke loses to Pitt...

The point? We must be doing something well in our total body of work to make this kind of coverage.

Can't win them all, until we need to win 6 in a row.

[spursy]

This loss sucked. Our shots weren't falling and we got wiped.
But I still believe this squad is as good as we've had in quite awhile and when we show up ready to play, on a neutral court, I'll put my money on x everyday.
On to the next one.

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[paulxu]

Sorry to see Gates get off to a bad start in the first half. Seemed to be rattled a little, and that earned him the pine.
His defense might have been a big help to stop their first push out to 19.

[Muncie]

It was interesting to see London in for so many minutes at prime time.

[nasdadjr]

It's official I'm concluding the Big East told Xavier to throw the game to ensuer Seton Hall gets a bid. In exchange they will make sure we won th be tournament so when Virginia Oklahoma UNC nova all lose again we will get our 1 seed. Trust me guys I have this from a reliable insider haha

[sirthought]

Offense is not a concern with this team, it's defense that is the concern especially against athletic guards in my opinion and it's been that way all year long. We just aren't a very good defensive team...even against nova they werent good defensively. They didn't have Jenkins or ochefu for basically half the game and they still scored in the 80s. We gave up 90 points to Seton hall. Hall is a good team but that's absurd.

Jeez Captain Obvious, I was just trying to point out a silver lining.

[XUMIOH12]

Offense is not a concern with this team, it's defense that is the concern especially against athletic guards in my opinion and it's been that way all year long. We just aren't a very good defensive team...even against nova they werent good defensively. They didn't have Jenkins or ochefu for basically half the game and they still scored in the 80s. We gave up 90 points to Seton hall. Hall is a good team but that's absurd.

we gave up 83 to Nova but 18 of those points were in the final 2:59 of the game when Xavier took it easy on defense and Nova was hoisting up 3s. The defense that game wasnt bad.

[XUMIOH12]

right from the start this game was ugly for Xavier. nothing was going right. Missing easy shots, sloppy play on both ends giving Seton Hall tons of easy opportunities in transition and in the half court from offensive rebounds.

[XUMIOH12]

im just going to forget about this game. On to the creighton game.

[XUFan09]

we gave up 83 to Nova but 18 of those points were in the final 2:59 of the game when Xavier took it easy on defense and Nova was hoisting up 3s. The defense that game wasnt bad.
Yeah, they actually held Nova to about a point per possession up until garbage time. I imagine it was some combination of the players' pride and Wright's concern for advanced metrics that led to that meaningless scoring run.

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[XUOHTX]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but sitting in the arena, I was extremely underwhelmed with the SH student section. They were way too quiet. Maybe it was where I was sitting (essentially behind them) but I forgot they were there at times.

[xudash]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but sitting in the arena, I was extremely underwhelmed with the SH student section. They were way too quiet. Maybe it was where I was sitting (essentially behind them) but I forgot they were there at times.

Probably a "cultural" thing. They have to learn how to win consistently and experience runs in the Tournament, etc. before they become more of a factor.

Look at our student section even 10 years ago, as an example.

[X-band '01]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but sitting in the arena, I was extremely underwhelmed with the SH student section. They were way too quiet. Maybe it was where I was sitting (essentially behind them) but I forgot they were there at times.

I sat 3 rows behind Xavier's bench - the WHOLE PLACE was jacked up yesterday. It's the crowd noise that Xavier usually gets 1-2 times a year (see Villanova last Wednesday as an example).

I actually made a side trip to Monmouth after the game to watch their regular season finale against Niagara. The fact that their student section was quiet (especially during opposing FTs) was really surprising. That was for a team that did struggle to win but still wound up winning the MAAC regular season outright.

[XUMIOH12]

Probably a "cultural" thing. They have to learn how to win consistently and experience runs in the Tournament, etc. before they become more of a factor.

Look at our student section even 10 years ago, as an example.

yeah, there hasnt been a whole lot for their students to get excited about with basketball over the last 10-15 years.

[BMoreX]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but sitting in the arena, I was extremely underwhelmed with the SH student section. They were way too quiet. Maybe it was where I was sitting (essentially behind them) but I forgot they were there at times.

I actually agree with that, as I was directly across from them behind the other basket.

I have now been to Villanova, Georgetown and Seton Hall road games this year, as well as Butler road games in the past. I am obviously biased but I think Xavier's student section is the loudest and also most attended out of all the schools I have been to thus far.

[XU 87]

On the other hand they were the far more aggressive, active team. One could complain about a lot today. Officiating should not be one of them.


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I would agree with that. Seton Hall played very, very hard, as shown by the rebounding totals. X didn't match their intensity. Other than the first Villanova game, yesterday was the only time all year where I thought the other team played harder.