Biggest Game in Program History?

[bleedXblue]

Is there any doubt Weds will be it?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Is there any doubt Weds will be it?

I'm not sure, that is an interesting question. I'd have to think about it.

Definitely biggest game in Cintas history.

[XMuskieFTW]

Not at all the biggest game. It's still regular season. I'd argue the ole miss game last year was bigger. Now if nova loses today and we are playing for first, I'd give it more weight, but definitely would put sweet 16 and elite 8 games ahead of it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Not at all the biggest game. It's still regular season. I'd argue the ole miss game last year was bigger. Now if nova loses today and we are playing for first, I'd give it more weight, but definitely would put sweet 16 and elite 8 games ahead of it.

Yeah both Elite 8 games have to be higher as winning would have been the programs first final 4.

[LA Muskie]

It depends on what "biggest" means, but if it's not our biggest regular season game (I'm hoping for #1 @ #3 which would make it the 2nd or 3rd biggest game in all of college basketball this season) it's got to be right up there at the top. We've played #1 before, but never when we were ranked even remotely as high as we are.

[Wheelhouse]

I think it's a given that NCAA Tournament games are bigger than any regular season game, but as far as regular season games go, hard to argue this isn't the biggest. The fact that X will also be ranked so high is what puts Wednesday's game over the top. It's just huge.

[Xville]

Is there any doubt Weds will be it?

In my opinion no way not even close. Every tournament game we have ever played is more important in my opinion. It would be great to win but in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't mean much.

With all that said, it is probably the biggest game at cintas ever and I'll take a win, but it's still just a regular season game.

[Wheelhouse]

It depends on what "biggest" means, but if it's not our biggest regular season game (I'm hoping for #1 @ #3 which would make it the 2nd or 3rd biggest game in all of college basketball this season) it's got to be right up there at the top. We've played #1 before, but never when we were ranked even remotely as high as we are.

You beat me to it. Our high ranking it really what jacks this game into the stratosphere. Oh, and I'll be out of the country on vacation so I probably can't watch it. Good times.

[Xavier]

I think the OP meant regular season game. (Assuming?). If so, then yes....no doubt about it, biggest game in regular season history. #1v#4/5? Wow.

[X-band '01]

Regular season, yes. A Xavier win on Wednesday and the sky's the limit.

[XMuskieFTW]

What I'm wondering is which game this coming week will be tougher? Nova at home or at seton hall? I expect us to be favored against nova but could see seton hall being favored at home.

[LA Muskie]

For me it's Nova no doubt. They are #1 for a reason and they've played very well on the road.


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[XMuskieFTW]

For me it's Nova no doubt. They are #1 for a reason and they've played very well on the road.


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I agree. I think our recent history against them and how they match up against us makes it a much more difficult game. Seton hall will also be very difficult though. We are in store for a very exciting week ahead.

[Wheelhouse]

What I'm wondering is which game this coming week will be tougher? Nova at home or at seton hall? I expect us to be favored against nova but could see seton hall being favored at home.

I respect Seton Hall this year but it's gotta be Nova. They're #1!

[Wheelhouse]

I agree. I think our recent history against them and how they match up against us makes it a much more difficult game. Seton hall will also be very difficult though. We are in story for a very exciting week ahead.

This is so true. Nova has owned us since we joined the Big East. We are o-fer against them in 6 tries I think. We HAVE to get over the hump against them. The game provides a tremendous opportunity on multiple levels.

[Xville]

I respect Seton Hall this year but it's gotta be Nova. They're #1!

I think if we beat nova, Seton hall is going to be one really tough game for multiple reasons. Road game, good opponent, coming off an emotional win etc.

Either way I'll take 1-1 this week. These are two very tough games. Would love 2-0 but just sayin.

[Xavier]

What I'm wondering is which game this coming week will be tougher? Nova at home or at seton hall? I expect us to be favored against nova but could see seton hall being favored at home.

Huh? The number one team in the country at home or a SH team that still might not make the tournament?

[nasdadjr]

Is there any doubt Weds will be it?

I would say first elite 8 game vs Duke was the biggest hands down. Any disagree

[vee4xu]

Villanova is currently crapping the bed vs. Butler. if they end up losing today, still a huge game Wed, but then it's about who wins the regular season championship versus a matchup vs #1.

[SC in DC]

We beat Nova and it would be hard not to have a let down against even the Little Sisters of the Poor. So if we go 2-0--Houston here we come!!

[vee4xu]

Wildcats seemed to have righted the ship.

[Xville]

Villanova is currently crapping the bed vs. Butler. if they end up losing today, still a huge game Wed, but then it's about who wins the regular season championship versus a matchup vs #1.

Hypothetically if nova and x tie for the big East regular season championship, who would get the one seed for the big East tournament? Is the tie breaker the ap ranking or what?

[LA Muskie]

Hypothetically if nova and x tie for the big East regular season championship, who would get the one seed for the big East tournament? Is the tie breaker the ap ranking or what?

Here are the tie-breakers as of last year (for tourney seeding purposes; for champion purposes I think there would be go-champions).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/bige/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/MBB_Tiebreakers.pdf

These are from last year but I'd be surprised if they changed.


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[Wheelhouse]

I think if we beat nova, Seton hall is going to be one really tough game for multiple reasons. Road game, good opponent, coming off an emotional win etc.

Either way I'll take 1-1 this week. These are two very tough games. Would love 2-0 but just sayin.

I agree on all counts except I won't be happy with 1-1. Let's win both, baby!

[XMuskieFTW]

Huh? The number one team in the country at home or a SH team that still might not make the tournament?

Yes. Playing on the road is so much more difficult. I expect us to be favored by probably 3 or so Wednesday and it'll be closer to even at seton hall

[Xville]

Here are the tie-breakers as of last year (for tourney seeding purposes; for champion purposes I think there would be go-champions).

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/bige/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/2014-15/misc_non_event/MBB_Tiebreakers.pdf

These are from last year but I'd be surprised if they changed.


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Thanks! I think that ship sailed when we lost to Georgetown, but we can dream!

[Kahns Krazy]

It's only the biggest game if we win. Otherwise, it sucks.

[Xavier]

Yes. Playing on the road is so much more difficult. I expect us to be favored by probably 3 or so Wednesday and it'll be closer to even at seton hall

I realize its more difficult on the road, I think if you put a poll on it most would say It is harder to beat the best team in the country at home than a bubble team on the road.

[MuskiePimp23]

Is there any doubt Weds will be it?

Biggest regular season game in program history. Biggest game in Cintas Center history. I will give you that. The post season always trumps the regular season. I would say the biggest game in program history was our first Elite Eight game in 2004 against Duke to this point. I really believe and hope we will be playing the biggest game in program history in Houston in early April.

[SkyWalker]

Certainly this year (to date) but I expect there to be more important games to come this year.

[chico]

It depends on what "biggest" means, but if it's not our biggest regular season game (I'm hoping for #1 @ #3 which would make it the 2nd or 3rd biggest game in all of college basketball this season) it's got to be right up there at the top. We've played #1 before, but never when we were ranked even remotely as high as we are.

This is pretty much where I stand on it. Tournament's always bigger, but in terms of what this win could do for our program in terms of seeding and ranking, I can't recall a bigger one. Every other time we played a #1 it was pretty much David vs. Goliath.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Speaking of big tourney games, I watched the Kansas State game on youtube last night. Do an of you guys watch old games and still react to the calls and plays etc? I found myself doing that quite a bit, reacting to calls and dropping my head on bad plays.

What a game that was. I wasnt there, on video it seemed like most of the arena was pulling for us, anyone there think that was the case?

Some great Gus lines in that one too.

[Xavier]

I watch old games but only ones that we won

[xu82]

I skipped to the end. This is just the next game. Period. If we want to look back in a decade, that's fine.

[X-band '01]

Speaking of big tourney games, I watched the Kansas State game on youtube last night. Do an of you guys watch old games and still react to the calls and plays etc? I found myself doing that quite a bit, reacting to calls and dropping my head on bad plays.

What a game that was. I wasnt there, on video it seemed like most of the arena was pulling for us, anyone there think that was the case?

Some great Gus lines in that one too.

People in the arena weren't afraid of Frank Martin back then.

[Snipe]

I expect the Cintas to be electric and rocking. Off the hook!

[xu82]

I expect the Cintas to be electric and rocking. Off the hook!

I'm down with THAT!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I watch old games but only ones that we won

Ha, same usually, but that one is an exception.

[nasdadjr]

Biggest regular season game in program history. Biggest game in Cintas Center history. I will give you that. The post season always trumps the regular season. I would say the biggest game in program history was our first Elite Eight game in 2004 against Duke to this point. I really believe and hope we will be playing the biggest game in program history in Houston in early April.

This game won't even get us a conference championship which will be about impossible for us to get so I don't know how this is the biggest game

[xukeith]

Maybe a BE tourney championship vs. Villanova will be biggest ever.

[Murph85]

A win will do more psychologically than it will for our 2016 season. A win will not do much for our positioning in the tournament. Maybe a 1 instead of a 2 which I would love but I see this as advertising for X as well as the BE. Being seen as Vilinova's equal will resonate with recruits and the game itself shows that their are no bigger venues in all of college basketball.

A top 30 recruit can look at either V or X and compare with any league or program across the land. Times have changed. Miller was probably right to say winning a National Championship at X was not possible but that was in the A10. Players like DSR shunned X not because of the schools basketball program. He shunned the A10 for the BE. This year is not a fluke. It is an advertisement for a program and league that is taking it's place as one of the most attractive destinations for all the top talent there is.

[scoscox]

A win will do more psychologically than it will for our 2016 season. A win will not do much for our positioning in the tournament. Maybe a 1 instead of a 2 which I would love but I see this as advertising for X as well as the BE. Being seen as Vilinova's equal will resonate with recruits and the game itself shows that their are no bigger venues in all of college basketball.

A top 30 recruit can look at either V or X and compare with any league or program across the land. Times have changed. Miller was probably right to say winning a National Championship at X was not possible but that was in the A10. Players like DSR shunned X not because of the schools basketball program. He shunned the A10 for the BE. This year is not a fluke. It is an advertisement for a program and league that is taking it's place as one of the most attractive destinations for all the top talent there is.

Word.

[X-man]

There are at least three games I can think of that were more important for the program than Wednesday's game with Nova.

In chronological order, the first was the Sweet Sixteen win in Indianapolis against the Hoyas in 1990, when our twin towers defeated theirs (Mourning and Mtumbo). That win began the time period when the Muskies not only perennially danced, but also became expected to make noise every year in the Dance.

The second was when Coach Cal brought his #1 ranked UMass team (with Marcus Camby) to the Gardens in our first year in the A-10. We lost that one in double OT, but it was a glimpse into the future showing what we could do on the national stage. It also had the sort of electric atmosphere that truly big-time college hoops brings, and it was (at least) my first Cincinnati Gardens game with that sort of atmosphere. Coach Cal's team of course, went to the FF that year only to have that appearance erased because of Camby's indiscretions.

The third was our Elite Eight win against Texas in Atlanta, getting sweet revenge against the Longhorns who had knocked us out of the tourney a few years earlier with a second half comeback. The Muskies have played in, and won, many other high profile games in league play, against UC, and in the NCAA tournament. But these three games seem to me to be landmark games.

The game against Villanova is huge of course, but not IMHO the same sort of profile changer that these other games were.

[LA Muskie]

Miller was probably right to say winning a National Championship at X was not possible but that was in the A10.
In the last decade schools made the Final Four from mid-major conferences 5 times. Butler (x2), Wichita State, VCU and George Mason. In 2011 it happened TWICE (Butler and VCU). And that doesn't even count Memphis from the CUSA.

It's certainly "easier" at a power conference school. But by no means was it impossible out of the A-10.


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[ThrowDownDBrown]

This is by far the biggest regular season game in program history. It's one thing to host the #1 team in the country when you're huge underdogs, we've done that and those games were certainly great. But it's a completely different story when you're hosting #1 as a fellow top five team. There are only a few of these games every season and we're hosting one of them. The eyes of the college basketball world will be on cintas Wednesday as there's not even another game where two ranked teams are playing one another that night. Win this game and we'll be in contention for a 1 seed.

[THRILLHOUSE]

This is by far the biggest regular season game in program history. It's one thing to host the #1 team in the country when you're huge underdogs, we've done that and those games were certainly great. But it's a completely different story when you're hosting #1 as a fellow top five team. There are only a few of these games every season and we're hosting one of them. The eyes of the college basketball world will be on cintas Wednesday as there's not even another game where two ranked teams are playing one another that night. Win this game and we'll be in contention for a 1 seed.

Agreed with all of this.

Obviously tournament games are bigger, but as far as regular season goes this is the biggest.

[X-man]

Well, ESPN likes this game. Here's what they say.

"The place to be: Cintas Center. Cincinnati. No. 8 Xavier has been waiting for its chance at redemption ever since walking off the floor of a 95-64 smackdown at Villanova on Dec. 31. The Musketeers were never in that game. They lost starting guard and leading scorer Edmond Sumner within the first two minutes to a wicked fall. They fell behind by 16 within the first 10 minutes, shell-shocked as Nova shot its way to 13-of-25 from 3-point range. The Wildcats, who have since risen to No. 1 in the nation, sent the message that they remain No. 1 in the Big East. Xavier will try to make its own statement on Wednesday that not so much separates the two teams -- definitely not 31 points."

[cutterX]

Funny X Man, before you typed that I was just wondering if ESPN and Sportscenter would even report the score of the game that won't be on one of their channels! That has to be killing the ESPN bigwigs!

[D-West & PO-Z]

The third was our Elite Eight win against Texas in Atlanta, getting sweet revenge against the Longhorns who had knocked us out of the tourney a few years earlier with a second half comeback. .

Man I wish that was an Elite 8 win!

[nasdadjr]

Agreed with all of this.

Obviously tournament games are bigger, but as far as regular season goes this is the biggest.

When it isn't even for first place in the conference I just can't agree. Huge game sure... Biggest regular season game... Not close

[Xavier]

When it isn't even for first place in the conference I just can't agree. Huge game sure... Biggest regular season game... Not close

If it isn't close, could you name 4-5 bigger regular season games that you are thinking of.

[bleedXblue]

When it isn't even for first place in the conference I just can't agree. Huge game sure... Biggest regular season game... Not close

You have to look just beyond league standings. This game has:

1. Beating #1
2. A huge, huge bump in RPI potential...which can translate into a #1 seed
3. National perception...and ranking in the Top 3 at stake
4. Finally beating Nova and sending a message

I'm sure I probably missed a few others........

[drudy23]

We are hosting #1 likely as number 4 or 5...it's the biggest regular season game in Xavier history.

Jesus Christ...just enjoy it for what it is. Be loud and make it memorable.

[Kahns Krazy]

Funny X Man, before you typed that I was just wondering if ESPN and Sportscenter would even report the score of the game that won't be on one of their channels! That has to be killing the ESPN bigwigs!

I think it's funny that anyone thinks that ESPN "bigwigs" get worked up about an event that isn't on their network. Super Bowl, Daytona 500, March Madness, The Masters and Xavier vs. Nova on a Wednesday night in February. That's what keeps them up at night.

[XUMIOH12]

If it isn't close, could you name 4-5 bigger regular season games that you are thinking of.

yes, i would like to hear the many games that are ahead of this one as biggest regular season game, since he says this one isnt even close

[muskiefan82]

No way I could come up with 5. I can really only come up with one regular season game that I would put on this level and that is when #1 UMASS came to the Gardens in Xavier's first year in the A-10. It was an overtime loss, but it clearly showed that X could and would compete at the next level for years to come.

[GoMuskies]

Plus, we sucked and knew it that year, so it was only a big game in that the #1 team was coming. Xavier was going to have a bad season whether they beat UMass or not that year.

[Masterofreality]

Biggest games in program history still have to be the Dook game in Atlanta 2004 and the UCLA game in Phoenix in 2008.

[muskieindent]

I'd say biggest regular season game in history.We're number 5 and they're number 1.Haven't had that situation happen before and late in the season.

[Masterofreality]

I'd say biggest regular season game in history.We're number 5 and they're number 1.Haven't had that situation happen before and late in the season.

I'm ok with this- especially from a National standing perspective.

[Roach]

What I'm wondering is which game this coming week will be tougher? Nova at home or at seton hall? I expect us to be favored against nova but could see seton hall being favored at home.

I'm far more worried about Seton Hall than I am Villanova. On Wednesday, Cintas is going to be raucous and louder than it's ever been. The players also have a huge chip on their shoulders and will certainly play like they have something to prove. I expect a victory.

The difficulty with Seton Hall is that they'll be approaching the Xavier game like Xavier is approaching the Villanova game. They're in need of a signature win, have a bevvy of solid players, and will pack the Prudential Center to the rafters. The game is already a near sell-out, and likely will be standing room only come Saturday, which is fairly rare for the Pirates. It will be a loud, hostile environment. If X has any emotional hangover after a would-be Villanova win, getting a W in New Jersey will be very, very difficult.

[Roach]

In chronological order, the first was the Sweet Sixteen win in Indianapolis against the Hoyas in 1990, when our twin towers defeated theirs (Mourning and Mtumbo).

That was a win in the round of 32.


The third was our Elite Eight win against Texas in Atlanta ...

That was a win in the Sweet Sixteen.

[fellahmuskie]

I'm far more worried about Seton Hall than I am Villanova. On Wednesday, Cintas is going to be raucous and louder than it's ever been. The players also have a huge chip on their shoulders and will certainly play like they have something to prove. I expect a victory.

The difficulty with Seton Hall is that they'll be approaching the Xavier game like Xavier is approaching the Villanova game. They're in need of a signature win, have a bevvy of solid players, and will pack the Prudential Center to the rafters. The game is already a near sell-out, and likely will be standing room only come Saturday, which is fairly rare for the Pirates. It will be a loud, hostile environment. If X has any emotional hangover after a would-be Villanova win, getting a W in New Jersey will be very, very difficult.

Given that they keep the upper deck closed, I doubt it will be packed to the rafters... That said, I agree. More nervous about Seton Hall than Villanova.

[Roach]

I'd say biggest regular season game in history.We're number 5 and they're number 1.Haven't had that situation happen before and late in the season.

Confining the inquiry to the regular season (because, yeah, right now nothing can top X's two shots at the final four in 2004 and 2008), it's important to first ask what we mean by "biggest"? Do we mean "biggest" in relation to build-up and media attention? Or do we mean "biggest" in relation to the game's after-the-fact impact on the program if X wins? If the former, then yes, I believe this to be the biggest regular season game in program history. If the latter, then no, I'd argue that X's win at #1 UC in 1996 had a greater impact on the program long term than a home win over #1 Villanova could have. After that 1996 win, Xavier's reputation as an endearing Goliath slayer in the NCAA tournament transformed into a reputation as a perennial top 25 program and tournament qualifier. When X pulled off another upset at home against UC in '99, it was a surprise, but not a shock. This shows clearly that something about the program had changed.

At this point, Xavier is already a household name in the world of college basketball. We're a consensus top 5 team already considered a potential #1-seed. The fact that this is widely seen as possible (if not probable) suggests that a win on Wednesday would not change much about the program beyond putting X on a solid path to a #1 seed in the tournament this year. I doubt it would have far reaching consequences in terms of national perception or recruiting potential.

[X-band '01]

I'm far more worried about Seton Hall than I am Villanova.

Said no one, ever.

[Roach]

Said no one, ever.

Actually, at least one other poster already mentioned feeling the same way. That said, let's revisit this issue Saturday evening.

[drudy23]

Has to be the same poster with two log-ins...no one truly believes this, they're just typing it for the sake of argument.

[Roach]

Given that they keep the upper deck closed, I doubt it will be packed to the rafters...

Touche. They've opened the upper deck for big games in the past. It may come to that before tip-off on Saturday.

[Roach]

Has to be the same poster with two log-ins...no one truly believes this, they're just typing it for the sake of argument.

I swear to God I am not FellahMuskie. Compare our post count. He has 700 posts; I have 430. If it's a secondary account, it'd be odd that it has almost 300 more posts.

[GoMuskies]

According to RPI Forcast, we have a 50% chance of beating Nova and a 57% chance of beating Seton Hall. So it's not that crazy to suggest that the Seton Hall game is more dangerous than the Villanova one. Objectively, they're pretty close.

[xufan2434]

Definitely the biggest regular season game IMO just in terms of the "big game" feel to it. Obviously the Cintas has had that buzz in the building for games in the past, especially rivalry ones like the Shootout and Dayton games. But never, have they had the national media attention like they're going to have. We have Bengals players (Shawn Williams) tweeting asking how he can get tickets. To me that explains just how big this is going to be. Hoping and fully expect student section to be the best they've been all year. X will come out with energy, but will they be under control is the big question mark

And will the crowd be deflated after Nova hits some 3's.. because it's going to happen

[XMuskieFTW]

According to RPI Forcast, we have a 50% chance of beating Nova and a 57% chance of beating Seton Hall. So it's not that crazy to suggest that the Seton Hall game is more dangerous than the Villanova one. Objectively, they're pretty close.

Especially due to the fact that we will be coming off an emotional high or low following the nova game. I'm not saying Seton Hall will be a tougher game, but I think they're very close. Everyone's just too hyped up about playing "#1" to see that right now. All that matters now though is that we'll have to make sure it's an emotional high we're coming off of.

[drudy23]

I swear to God I am not FellahMuskie. Compare our post count. He has 700 posts; I have 430. If it's a secondary account, it'd be odd that it has almost 300 more posts.

Calm down big fella.

[XU 87]

To answer the thread title, this isn't the biggest game in program history, not even close when compared to some of the NCAA games. And if you compare this game to games where the team was battling for its NCAA life, those games are arguably bigger.

But as far as being a regular season game on a national stage, with national implications, including a win getting X ranked in the top 5, this game is s big as I can remember.

[MuskieXU]

In my opinion, this is our first real opportunity to prove Xavier is an elite program. There will be more tests to come, but this is the first step along that path and that makes it the biggest game in program (regular season) history.

[XUFan09]

Especially due to the fact that we will be coming off an emotional high or low following the nova game. I'm not saying Seton Hall will be a tougher game, but I think they're very close. Everyone's just too hyped up about playing "#1" to see that right now. All that matters now though is that we'll have to make sure it's an emotional high we're coming off of.
I'm not too worried about emotional hangovers with this team.

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[xu82]

I'm not too worried about emotional hangovers with this team.

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I am more worried about hangovers among this team's fans.

[94GRAD]

The biggest game in our history was in 1990 when we beat Georgetown to make our first Sweet Sixteen.

[xukeith]

True but Creighton got boat loads of publicity in year 1 of new BE and they have struggled since.Yes, X is different but I imagine there will be some years where X is 5t or 7th. Most likely unless BE changes, X will be in top 4.

[xukeith]

Where does Villanova practice? I think at UC's arena. That was where Marquette practiced.

Maybe we get get some inside New England gate info and expose Villanova all for a win.

[XU 87]

The biggest game in our history was in 1990 when we beat Georgetown to make our first Sweet Sixteen.

Possibly my favorite Xavier game ever.

[nasdadjr]

If it isn't close, could you name 4-5 bigger regular season games that you are thinking of.

Sure now my history only goes back to about 95 so I apologize if I don't mention big earlier games.

1. Win at GW to spark the run. .500 team that used this game to find the spark to get this team national respect. They don't win that game they are out of tournament and who knows what history is after that.

2. Both wins over number 1 UC. Getting the huge wins started the climb where we were no longer little brother.

3. The first win at UD. Neither team won on others court in like 20 years and I think that win locked up a conference championship for X

[nasdadjr]

Possibly my favorite Xavier game ever.

My favorite X game ever was the Kansas state loss. It just doesn't get better than that game

[nasdadjr]

Sure now my history only goes back to about 95 so I apologize if I don't mention big earlier games.

1. Win at GW to spark the run. .500 team that used this game to find the spark to get this team national respect. They don't win that game they are out of tournament and who knows what history is after that.

2. Both wins over number 1 UC. Getting the huge wins started the climb where we were no longer little brother.

3. The first win at UD. Neither team won on others court in like 20 years and I think that win locked up a conference championship for X

If you notice my selections they are program defining or program elevation games. This isn't that. If we win we finally beat nova once and are like 1-6 against them. If we win we still get 2nd in conference so outside of showing nova we can beat them once what else is proven? That's why I say this isn't the biggest game ever but don't get me wrong it is still huge. I wouldn't over pay for tickets if I didn't think it was big

[xubrew]

Sure now my history only goes back to about 95 so I apologize if I don't mention big earlier games.

1. Win at GW to spark the run. .500 team that used this game to find the spark to get this team national respect. They don't win that game they are out of tournament and who knows what history is after that.

2. Both wins over number 1 UC. Getting the huge wins started the climb where we were no longer little brother.

3. The first win at UD. Neither team won on others court in like 20 years and I think that win locked up a conference championship for X

Didn't GW run us off the floor in that game??

[smileyy]

If you notice my selections they are program defining or program elevation games. This isn't that. If we win we finally beat nova once and are like 1-6 against them. If we win we still get 2nd in conference so outside of showing nova we can beat them once what else is proven? That's why I say this isn't the biggest game ever but don't get me wrong it is still huge. I wouldn't over pay for tickets if I didn't think it was big

If X wins, Villanova loses another game, and X ends up with a share of the Big East regular season title, I'd call that program-elevating. So the importance may only be able to be fully judged after more games have been played.

[xubrew]

It's all relative. It's more of a litmus test than a stakes game. That's not to say there are no stakes, but we're in the tournament either way, we're likely at worst a #2 seed either way. We're likely in second place either way.

Kansas v Oklahoma was big, but it really didn't change the trajectory of either team's season win or lose. This won't either. We probably can't get a #1 seed without winning it, but our chances of a deep tournament run are pretty close to the same whether we win or not.

[XU 87]

Didn't GW run us off the floor in that game??

Yes. The Run started two games later with a win over UC. Chalmers hit a shot at the end to win it.

[XU 87]

My favorite X game ever was the Kansas state loss. It just doesn't get better than that game

X lost that game. So I would say it gets much better than that.

[bleedXblue]

Yes. The Run started two games later with a win over UC. Chalmers hit a shot at the end to win it.

So two of his top 4 X games are losses? LOL

[XU 87]

Biggest game in program history? 1958 NIT finals. The Nit was an important national tournament back then. I think winning the NIT was equal to winning the NCAA back then.

Q, am I correct?

[Xavier]

If you notice my selections they are program defining or program elevation games. This isn't that. If we win we finally beat nova once and are like 1-6 against them. If we win we still get 2nd in conference so outside of showing nova we can beat them once what else is proven? That's why I say this isn't the biggest game ever but don't get me wrong it is still huge. I wouldn't over pay for tickets if I didn't think it was big

All of your games are things you looked at after the season and determined how big it was- so frankly its impossible for you to say this isn't the biggest regular season game in history. If X wins and they go on to get a 1 seed (or, say they win out and end the year #1 in the country) it is no doubt the biggest regular season game- and fits your criteria of program changing games.

Though, getting smoked by GW doesn't scream program changing to me. I remember that game only because me and my buddies have an NCAA tradition of watching "The Run" every year before each tournament game. The highlights from that game are all time bad.

[ThrowDownDBrown]

Sure now my history only goes back to about 95 so I apologize if I don't mention big earlier games.

1. Win at GW to spark the run. .500 team that used this game to find the spark to get this team national respect. They don't win that game they are out of tournament and who knows what history is after that.

2. Both wins over number 1 UC. Getting the huge wins started the climb where we were no longer little brother.

3. The first win at UD. Neither team won on others court in like 20 years and I think that win locked up a conference championship for X


My favorite X game ever was the Kansas state loss. It just doesn't get better than that game
Stop

[Roach]

My favorite X game ever was the Kansas state loss. It just doesn't get better than that game

Objectively, the K-State - Xavier game is the best basketball game I've ever watched, but it was way too painful to call it my favorite, or even anywhere near my top-10. It is, however, my favorite game of all time that had a disappointing ending. I don't think there has ever been a game with as many thrilling moments, lead changes, or clutch shots. I watched the game at Capitol Lounge in D.C. with a few other Xavier fans, surrounded by a large group of K-State fans, all of whom were very gracious in victory.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If there was one saving grace about that loss (there isnt really but allow me some leeway) it was that the winner was going to be so spent that a loss seemed more likely than not 2 days later and I'd rather it be K-State Butler beat to go to a Final 4 than Xavier. That would have been unbearable.

[Roach]

If there was one saving grace about that loss (there isnt really but allow me some leeway) it was that the winner was going to be so spent that a loss seemed more likely than not 2 days later and I'd rather it be K-State Butler beat to go to a Final 4 than Xavier. That would have been unbearable.

Yeah, that's a fair point. But, Butler only beat K-State by 7 points in the regional final, and we'd played Butler tough in a 1-point loss at Hinkle in December. X very well could have pulled it off. But yeah, the odds would not have been in our favor.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah, that's a fair point. But, Butler only beat K-State by 7 points in the regional final, and we'd played Butler tough in a 1-point loss at Hinkle in December. X very well could have pulled it off. But yeah, the odds would not have been in our favor.

Yeah I mean obviously I wish we had won and got the chance. I do think K state was better than Butler that year but they had to be physically and emotionally spent after the 2 OT battle with X.

[xubrew]

Biggest game in program history? 1958 NIT finals. The Nit was an important national tournament back then. I think winning the NIT was equal to winning the NCAA back then.

Q, am I correct?

The NIT was bigger until 1952. It was the older tournament (albeit barely, and I guess it still is the older tournament), and it was the second tournament. So, the NCAA winner would often play in the NIT, and if they didn't win it, then whoever did win the NIT must be the bigger team. I think that changed in 1952 when the NCAA was the second tournament. The NCAA final was a rematch of the NIT final that year. Ever since then, the NCAA was second and probably considered the bigger one.

In 1958, eight of the teams who were in the final top ten were in the NCAA Tournament. That's not to say that winning the NIT wasn't a big deal, but in football terms it was probably like winning the Orange Bowl as opposed to winning the BCS title game. To your point, it arguably is the single biggest win in program history.

[nasdadjr]

Yeah I mean obviously I wish we had won and got the chance. I do think K state was better than Butler that year but they had to be physically and emotionally spent after the 2 OT battle with X.

I don't know for sure but as I recall pullen couldn't miss vs us late but couldn't hit anything against Butler. I think that whole team was spent after that game

[nasdadjr]

All of your games are things you looked at after the season and determined how big it was- so frankly its impossible for you to say this isn't the biggest regular season game in history. If X wins and they go on to get a 1 seed (or, say they win out and end the year #1 in the country) it is no doubt the biggest regular season game- and fits your criteria of program changing games.

Though, getting smoked by GW doesn't scream program changing to me. I remember that game only because me and my buddies have an NCAA tradition of watching "The Run" every year before each tournament game. The highlights from that game are all time bad.

1. We all knew if X lost that game they were done so we knew how important it was. It just so happens that game sparked the biggest run in program history that took us to the next level.

2. I can be objective.. Back then those UC games were our Super Bowl. Outside of NCAA/ NIT tournament games the program never played bigger games to itself. Some people may have forgotten the hype on X side leading up to those games but I have not forgotten.

3. UD game was definitely me looking backwards on the result but hey this season is almost over so it's kinda the same thing.

Now if we win Wednesday and use that to spark us to our first final four I may definitely change my tune but right now with no standing changes and only seeding on the line I don't see how it's the biggest ever.

Last note... I just appreciate how good of a game that was and how many clutch plays were made. The result sucked vs k state but I think we can all agree that has to be the most entertaining game in X history

[usfldan]

Just to tweak the question a bit, but fill in the blank:

Wednesday night is the biggest basketball game in Cincinnati since ________.

Most of the answers in here have either involved tournaments at neutral sites or games that only gained their importance in hindsight- a month after beating UC to start The Run in 2004, Xavier was still a borderline bubble team.

The last matchup of top 5 teams I can find in the regular season to be played in Cincinnati was in 1962 and involved Duquesne (#3 UC and #5 Duquesne). The only other UC game I can recall being close was against Marquette with Dwayne Wade (that was #4 UC vs. #9 Marquette on Feb. 22, 2002). Looking through their media guide, I guess #11 UC did play #7 Louisville two years ago, but that UC team was out of the polls two weeks later.

There are some other possibilities- Indiana in 1987 and Larry Bird’s Indiana State team in 1979 both played their regional semis and finals at the Coliseum. There was the Women’s Final Four in 1997, too.

For Xavier, I’d say maybe beating St.Joe’s to win the A-10 tournament is close, but that team didn’t have the potential to do what this year’s team does. Obviously, shootouts rank up there, too, but that comes every other year. This is, to date, a unique opportunity. Hopefully it becomes more commonplace, but at the moment I’d rank Wednesday’s game as at least a once-in-a-decade opportunity for not just the program, but the city.

[xufan2434]

While this isn't the biggest game in program history simply because it is a regular season game, I still think it's the biggest regular season one depending how you look at it. Yes, 96' and 99' shootouts were huge for the program, and the 04 run was great. But just in terms of "BIG TIME" games, this is definitely number 1. X has never been in the Top 5 until this year and it's been a long time since they played number 1. While winning this game might not help make the same strides as a program as past games have, it will still be monumental. If X wins, they have a chance to jump to number 1 if they beat SHU and Kansas loses sometime soon.

Just in terms of this year, it helps solidify how real this team is at least in my mind. The biggest question every year is how will X actually fare against the elite competition. AKA, Arizona last year, Duke in 04, OSU in 07, UCLA in 08, Pitt in 10, the list goes on. Beating Nova tomorrow I think proves to everyone they're ready to take down whichever top 3 seeds they'll face in March

[zanesxu]

Yeah, that's a fair point. But, Butler only beat K-State by 7 points in the regional final, and we'd played Butler tough in a 1-point loss at Hinkle in December. X very well could have pulled it off. But yeah, the odds would not have been in our favor.

We did not lose that game. The ref's gave it to Butler.

[muskiefan82]

We did not lose that game. The ref's gave it to Butler.

It is Tinkle Fieldhouse now because they pissed me off.

[nuts4xu]

3. The first win at UD. Neither team won on others court in like 20 years and I think that win locked up a conference championship for X

You will have to be more specific...the very first win at UD? Back in 1920? I don't think we have gone 20 years without winning at UD. It is UD that hasn't won in Cincinnati since 1/10/1981 when Jimmy Carter was still president.

[xubrew]

Just to tweak the question a bit, but fill in the blank:

Wednesday night is the biggest basketball game in Cincinnati since ________.

Most of the answers in here have either involved tournaments at neutral sites or games that only gained their importance in hindsight- a month after beating UC to start The Run in 2004, Xavier was still a borderline bubble team.

The last matchup of top 5 teams I can find in the regular season to be played in Cincinnati was in 1962 and involved Duquesne (#3 UC and #5 Duquesne). The only other UC game I can recall being close was against Marquette with Dwayne Wade (that was #4 UC vs. #9 Marquette on Feb. 22, 2002). Looking through their media guide, I guess #11 UC did play #7 Louisville two years ago, but that UC team was out of the polls two weeks later.

There are some other possibilities- Indiana in 1987 and Larry Bird’s Indiana State team in 1979 both played their regional semis and finals at the Coliseum. There was the Women’s Final Four in 1997, too.

For Xavier, I’d say maybe beating St.Joe’s to win the A-10 tournament is close, but that team didn’t have the potential to do what this year’s team does. Obviously, shootouts rank up there, too, but that comes every other year. This is, to date, a unique opportunity. Hopefully it becomes more commonplace, but at the moment I’d rank Wednesday’s game as at least a once-in-a-decade opportunity for not just the program, but the city.

That's an interesting question, and I have no idea what the answer is.

Were the Cincinnati Royals ever in the NBA Finals??

This may be the biggest basketball game in the city's history when you stop and think about it. I remember a couple of UC v Louisville games where both were in the top ten, but I don't recall a game where both teams were in the top five.

[XU 87]

2. I can be objective.. Back then those UC games were our Super Bowl.

No, it wasn't. It was a big game, and arguably the biggest regular season game on the schedule, but getting into and winning in the NCAA's was always bigger than this one game. When X went to the NIT for the second straight time in 1999, even after beating #1 UC, I doubt few if any of us looked back and said, "That's ok. We still beat UC. That made our season."

You sound like a UC fan when you say things like this.

[THRILLHOUSE]

Were the Cincinnati Royals ever in the NBA Finals??


No, got to the East Finals a couple of times but couldn't get past the Celtics.

[Roach]

The last matchup of top 5 teams I can find in the regular season to be played in Cincinnati was in 1962 and involved Duquesne (#3 UC and #5 Duquesne).

Wait, wait, wait. Duquense was once ranked #5? There must have been a snowball fight in hell that day ...

[xubrew]

Wait, wait, wait. Duquense was once ranked #5? There must have been a snowball fight in hell that day ...

The question I have is whether or not anyone actually attended the game. Yunno, given UC's attendance and all.

[Masterofreality]

Wait, wait, wait. Duquense was once ranked #5? There must have been a snowball fight in hell that day ...

Dookcane used to be good, but then so did Lossalle and St. Bonnie's, and St. Louis and, and...

The A10 is the home of former greatness.

[Roach]

Dookcane used to be good, but then so did Lossalle and St. Bonnie's, and St. Louis and, and...

The A10 is the home of former greatness.

St. Louis has been good in recent years, though admittedly less so since the departure and demise of Rick Majerus. I continue to think they'd be a good fit for the Big East and would be a perfect geographic rival for Creighton.

[mid major]

St. Louis has been good in recent years, though admittedly less so since the departure and demise of Rick Majerus. I continue to think they'd be a good fit for the Big East and would be a perfect geographic rival for Creighton.

They'll be great tonight in my book if they can beat VD. Come on Billikens, take out the Cryers.

[xu82]

St. Louis has been good in recent years, though admittedly less so since the departure and demise of Rick Majerus. I continue to think they'd be a good fit for the Big East and would be a perfect geographic rival for Creighton.

Why mess with a good thing?

[smileyy]

St. Louis has been good in recent years, though admittedly less so since the departure and demise of Rick Majerus. I continue to think they'd be a good fit for the Big East and would be a perfect geographic rival for Creighton.

Rick Majerus was the only thing keeping them continuously relevant. I'm not surprised that Jim Crews was successful with Majerus's system and recruits for a couple years, and then everything fell apart.

[GoMuskies]

Expansion is stupid.

[xubrew]

Dookcane used to be good, but then so did Lossalle and St. Bonnie's, and St. Louis and, and...

The A10 is the home of former greatness.

This made me laugh.

[xu82]

The A10 is the home of former greatness.

...as well as the former home of greatness (that's us!).

[xudash]

Expansion is stupid AND unnecessary.

[X-band '01]

Dookcane used to be good, but then so did Lossalle and St. Bonnie's, and St. Louis and, and...

The A10 is the home of former greatness.


This made me laugh.

They're also home to one-year wonders like the GooMoos.

[mid major]

They'll be great tonight in my book if they can beat VD. Come on Billikens, take out the Cryers.

It's a titanic struggle from St. Louis. SLU with the missed 2 point conversion leads VD 19-14 at halftime. No joke.

[xu82]

It's a titanic struggle from St. Louis. SLU with the missed 2 point conversion leads VD 19-14 at halftime. No joke.

Please tell me they went to quarters? At least?

[D-West & PO-Z]

Expansion is stupid.


Expansion is stupid AND unnecessary.

It is surprising to me how many fans of other programs on HLOH seem to favor expansion.

If we do expand I'd love for SLU to get in, on the condition they get rid of Crews, he handled a rough situation well with regard to the players dealing with the loss of Majerus, but time to move on.

[smileyy]

Maybe Mack can throw a basketball in his face.

[X-ceptional]

This may not be the biggest or most important game in Xavier history, but it is exactly the type of game that we hoped all those previous big moments would eventually lead up to. This type of game is what it's all been about... it's a hell of a lot of fun to be the #5 team in the country and bring in the #1 ranked team. I suppose those of you are right to say that tourney wins are the real goal and are ultimately more important to the program. But tonight the Cintas Center is the center of the college basketball universe. I'm not sure we've ever been able to say that before, and that seems pretty BIG to me.