Go To Player

[SemajParlor]

If there's a college basketball team in 2016 with more depth than Xavier, I haven't seen them play yet. One of the reasons why X has been so good this year has been their ability to attack opponents with such a strong and balanced group of talent. My "MVP" of the team changes just about every week. It's been fun to watch.

However as we are all well aware, many games come tournament time are determined by one play, and often times - one player that steps up in a big moment. While I'm not suggesting that being this balanced is in someway a negative... it does make me question how X is constructed for big time tournament play.

How important or unimportant do you believe Xavier not having a traditional or clearly defined "go to player" in crunch time is? I'm curious to hear thoughts.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd argue while we are deep and we dont have one player clearly above all the rest, we do have a go to player. There has been one guy on this team all year who finds a way to get a bucket anyway he can when we really need it.

Myles Davis is our go to player imo.

[bleedXblue]

I'd argue while we are deep and we dont have one player clearly above all the rest, we do have a go to player. There has been one guy on this team all year who finds a way to get a bucket anyway he can when we really need it.

Myles Davis is our go to player imo.

Myles it is.

[Masterofreality]

I'd argue while we are deep and we dont have one player clearly above all the rest, we do have a go to player. There has been one guy on this team all year who finds a way to get a bucket anyway he can when we really need it.

Myles Davis is our go to player imo.


Myles it is.

Agree...the guy the players look to for confidence. You can just see it.

[sirthought]

Should probably be Bluiet, but I think Myles needs to be the guy everyone sets up and counts on to get shit done.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Should probably be Bluiet, but I think Myles needs to be the guy everyone sets up and counts on to get shit done.

I'd be ok with Trevon taking a final shot for sure, I should clarify my original statement to include that I trust Myles with the ball in his hands not only to find a way to get a bucket but also to make the right pass to a guy like Trevon if the bucket isnt there for Myles.

[XUFan09]

I'd argue while we are deep and we dont have one player clearly above all the rest, we do have a go to player. There has been one guy on this team all year who finds a way to get a bucket anyway he can when we really need it.

Myles Davis is our go to player imo.
Yup. This contributes to why I voted for him for most irreplaceable player.

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[GoMuskies]

Macura. See Providence (and how his high school career ended for that matter). Cold blooded.

[MADXSTER]

Ha!! If you asked the players it would go like this....

Myles would say....me
Bluiet would say....me
Macura would say...me
Farr would say....me

[Caveat]

If there's a college basketball team in 2016 with more depth than Xavier, I haven't seen them play yet. One of the reasons why X has been so good this year has been their ability to attack opponents with such a strong and balanced group of talent. My "MVP" of the team changes just about every week. It's been fun to watch.

However as we are all well aware, many games come tournament time are determined by one play, and often times - one player that steps up in a big moment. While I'm not suggesting that being this balanced is in someway a negative... it does make me question how X is constructed for big time tournament play.

How important or unimportant do you believe Xavier not having a traditional or clearly defined "go to player" in crunch time is? I'm curious to hear thoughts.

You're far less likely to play in a one-possession game if you've got 6-7 guys who can all step up and be "the man" in any given game / half. I'll take my chances with that.

[scoscox]

I like Bluiett to get the offense going because he can get a shot at any time, but for big shots that have to go down I'd take Myles or JP.

[BMoreX]

1A. Myles
1B. Blueitt

[SemajParlor]

I see that most lean towards Myles, but the fact that it's not a consensus led me to pose the original question.

If you look back at previous winners and runner ups for the last 15 years, the majority of teams are comprised of either A) multiple balanced NBA players supported with additional talent (I don't see X in this category) and teams obviously containing talent, but are led by an alpha dog -- Also, not X.


My point is, if Xavier were to get to the National Championship, (which may seem like a tall order, but hell we ARE the 6th ranked team in the last week in January) they would be an outlier in recent years. The only team I can really think of that doesn't fall in either category is Butler's second run and 2013 Louisville team, and even they had 2 first round picks in Deng and Harrell.

[LA Muskie]

I'd argue while we are deep and we dont have one player clearly above all the rest, we do have a go to player. There has been one guy on this team all year who finds a way to get a bucket anyway he can when we really need it.

Myles Davis is our go to player imo.
This is unquestionably true.

[LA Muskie]

1A. Myles
1B. Blueitt
Agreed. I have no doubt that JP would put up the shot, but I have much less confidence that he would make it. Providence game notwithstanding.

[LA Muskie]

I see that most lean towards Myles, but the fact that it's not a consensus led me to pose the original question.
On what basis is it not a consensus? Seems to me that just about everyone agrees that it's Myles.

[mid major]

a) Bluiett. Plan B Myles. Last March in the BET we were dead in the water with seemingly no answers for Gtown's comeback until Tre hit that 3 to restore some order.

[xu82]

1A. Myles
1B. Blueitt

I'd agree with this, and I love that neither is a senior. While I'm fully enjoying this season, I love the look of the future too.

[Masterofreality]

Anyone else you want on the line when you need two frees with the game in the balance than Myles Davis?

Didn't think so.

[xu82]

Anyone else you want on the line when you need two frees with the game in the balance than Myles Davis?

Didn't think so.

And if Myles is not available, Trevon would be my guy.

[bjf123]

Ha!! If you asked the players it would go like this....

Myles would say....me
Bluiet would say....me
Macura would say...me
Farr would say....me

They'd all say MADXSTER is the go to guy? I'm impressed.


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[GIMMFD]

Myles is just as cold blooded as JP Macura, and I have more confidence in Myles hitting the shot. I would love for him to have the last shot or free throws to ice a game, the kid is a GAMER. He loves competition, you can just see it when he's on the court.

[Juice]

I see three options. Myles but I'm hesitant to say him because he's somewhat limited in creating his own shot. Trevon because he can create mismatches against other forwards/wings and is a good shooter. And lastly, Sumner because he's so god damn athletic and long that if he wants to get to the rim he usually can. I would trust any of these three.

[bigdiggins]

BJ Raymond...oh wait.

[gladdenguy]

When I go back and think about it.....was there anybody more clutch than Tu Holloway? Hitting 3 free throws down 3 with no time left in a sweet 16 game is absolutely insane. I don't care if your name is Jeff Hornacek.

Back to the thread. Myles or Trevon.....both are fine with me.

[GIMMFD]

When I go back and think about it.....was there anybody more clutch than Tu Holloway? Hitting 3 free throws down 3 with no time left in a sweet 16 game is absolutely insane. I don't care if your name is Jeff Hornacek.

Back to the thread. Myles or Trevon.....both are fine with me.

The Purdue white out game, Notre Dame, Tu was unbelievable. I agree he might be one of the most clutch players I've ever seen.

[Masterofreality]

When I go back and think about it.....was there anybody more clutch than Tu Holloway? Hitting 3 free throws down 3 with no time left in a sweet 16 game is absolutely insane. I don't care if your name is Jeff Hornacek.

Back to the thread. Myles or Trevon.....both are fine with me.

Tu Holloway. Epic. Two memories. We're down to SucKS by 3 at Cintas near games end. Tu drives, gets fouled scores and hits the free. X goes on to win. Then the classic shot high off the board against those imposters from South Bend in the NCAA first round.

3's against Purdue, FT's against Mizzou. Cold Blooded, errrr, gangsta.

[IM4X]

When I go back and think about it.....was there anybody more clutch than Tu Holloway? Hitting 3 free throws down 3 with no time left in a sweet 16 game is absolutely insane. I don't care if your name is Jeff Hornacek.

Back to the thread. Myles or Trevon.....both are fine with me.

Yes! Tu may very well have been the most clutch player to wear an X uniform in the past 25 years (especially during his senior year).

I agree Myles seems to be the go to guy at this point (followed by Trevon and then Farr). Yet as successful as this team has been this year, you'd think one of the players would be as big a go to player as say, Crawford was during his final year or Chalmers (during the run). But I am not quite feeling it- though again Myles is closest. Maybe it's just what happens when you have 10 guys on a team who contribute every game. Speaking of "the run"... It never gets old reading this game recap.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recap?gameId=244000028

[xdude]

We've had outstanding players that put the team on their back for some awesome memories. And far more than the Jerseys in the rafters tell. But I doubt there's ever been a Xavier team with so many 'go to' options. We've got, like, seven. Crazy. Incredible. First team to reach 20 wins in the country. Firsts abound for the program. A possible #1 seed, assured a #2 without an unlikely meltdown. Heady stuff.

This shit is good...

[SemajParlor]

On what basis is it not a consensus? Seems to me that just about everyone agrees that it's Myles.

Nope. Someone said Macura, someone said 4 different people, I would personally say Blueitt. People I've talked outside of the 3 or 4 responses prior to this comment have had different opinions as well.

[LA Muskie]

Myles has not been the UNANIMOUS choice. But he certainly appears to be the consensus choice.


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[SemajParlor]

Myles has not been the UNANIMOUS choice. But he certainly appears to be the consensus choice.


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Fair point.

[DoubleD86]

If I have to pick one, I take Bluiett.

If I can be more specific, I say Myles with the ball in his hand running a play for Bluiett to get a shot. I trust Myles to make the right play or get fouled and go to the line, otherwise they get the ball to Trevon who is the best offensive player on this team.

It is VERY nice to have "bail out" options with JP for a big shot and James/Jalen underneath for rebounds.

[XU 87]

If I have to pick one, I take Bluiett.

If I can be more specific, I say Myles with the ball in his hand running a play for Bluiett to get a shot. I trust Myles to make the right play or get fouled and go to the line, otherwise they get the ball to Trevon who is the best offensive player on this team.



I'd go with this scenario. Trevon can create his own shot a little better than Myles can, but I would like the ball in Myles' hands to set up Trevon's shot.

[markchal]

I think the Myles-Blueitt combo is pretty much the way we should go down the stretch. I've been really impressed with Myles ability to drive and score inside the arc this year. It's clear he's put some work into that, and I like his moxie, but Trevon is going to make some big shots for us in his career.

[Wheelhouse]

For me it would be 1A. Trevon 1B. Myles but I'm ok with either.

[xuwin]

For me it would be 1A. Trevon 1B. Myles but I'm ok with either.

I would rather have Myles taking the shot with Trevon crashing the boards for a follow up.

[Masterofreality]

Myles hit big shots to stem the tide against St. John's. Every game, he does big things.

[zanesxu]

I think we will have just a few opportunities to see who's the last-shot-taker-guy down these last 8 regular season BE games... I love wins, but wouldn't mind a couple close wins for the experience... and to see if we have someone who can graduate towards the Tu level of cold-blooded closer...

[LA Muskie]

Looks like Myles is becoming less of a consensus pick. Seems we have a rather clear two horse race.


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[Wheelhouse]

I'm thinking last possession. That Trevon step back jumper is deadly. I know Myles can get to the hole but Trevon is a beast and would also have the ability to get to the hole and follow up his own miss. If we're talking setting up a play for someone to get a good look at 3 then Myles is probably the guy.

It's such a delight that we can have this argument. Would anyone have a huge problem if Macura took the last shot? Or we pounded it inside to Farr? Or we put the ball is Sumner's hands and let him get to the basket? I'd put us up against almost any team offensively and on the boards.

[xufan2434]

I'm thinking last possession. That Trevon step back jumper is deadly. I know Myles can get to the hole but Trevon is a beast and would also have the ability to get to the hole and follow up his own miss. If we're talking setting up a play for someone to get a good look at 3 then Myles is probably the guy.

It's such a delight that we can have this argument. Would anyone have a huge problem if Macura took the last shot? Or we pounded it inside to Farr? Or we put the ball is Sumner's hands and let him get to the basket? I'd put us up against almost any team offensively and on the boards.

I take pick and roll with Myles and Trevon any day of the week. They're either switching or doubling and I'll take the result from it. No issues with JP getting a look either. His killer instinct is what makes up for whatever of lack of quickness he has. I still think Sumner isn't ready. Don't doubt his ability to make something happen, but lack of experience might be a factor. I'd rather not go into Farr either honestly. He's having a great year and been dominant at times but a double is going to come and not that he's a bad passer, but I wouldn't prefer that

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I look forward to see both these players returning next year. Awesome!

[Wheelhouse]

I take pick and roll with Myles and Trevon any day of the week. They're either switching or doubling and I'll take the result from it. No issues with JP getting a look either. His killer instinct is what makes up for whatever of lack of quickness he has. I still think Sumner isn't ready. Don't doubt his ability to make something happen, but lack of experience might be a factor. I'd rather not go into Farr either honestly. He's having a great year and been dominant at times but a double is going to come and not that he's a bad passer, but I wouldn't prefer that

All good points. I'm not sure I'd trust Sumner's ability to complete the pass on a drive to the bucket (he's had trouble with that this year) but he's still got a great chance of getting to the rim and scoring or getting fouled. I sound like a broken record on this message board but it's crazy how deep we are. When Sumner driving or pounding it into Farr are your 4th and 5th options late in a game that's pretty darn good. Many teams would take either of those as their first or second option.

[XUFan09]

The thing with Sumner getting that key shot is his FT rate is much higher than any non-big. He gets to the line a lot, which is huge for a team's chances in a close game.

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[D-West & PO-Z]

Only thing that worries me about Sumner in that situation is he hasnt been finishing well at the rim (save a couple sick dunks) and fouls are even less likely to be called in those situations. Not sure I trust him yet to make a key pass from the lane if it isnt there instead of forcing it.

[LA Muskie]

Only thing that worries me about Sumner in that situation is he hasnt been finishing well at the rim (save a couple sick dunks) and fouls are even less likely to be called in those situations. Not sure I trust him yet to make a key pass from the lane if it isnt there instead of forcing it.
I love Sumner, and on any other team I'd be thrilled to have the ball in his hands to close out a game. But him taking the ball to the rack presents a number of problems. (1) He very well may turn it over. (2) He very well may miss the shot and/or not successfully draw the foul. (3) He very well may get fouled but miss one or more of the freebies. I say that because all three of those have been issues for him in non-crunch-time situations. On the other hand, despite their occasional streaky scoring over the course of games, both Myles and Bluiett have been remarkably consistent in crunch time. If we need a two, it's probably a toss-up for me between Trevon and Myles. And in retrospect I might even lean towards Trevon because of his ability to get to the rim and/or the line. Although if Myles can find his way to the line, it's nearly automatic at this point. On the other hand, if we need a 3, for me it's a no-brainer -- get Myles a clear (or at least semi-clear) look and let fly.

[xu82]

I look forward to see both these players returning next year. Awesome!

You nailed it - that's my favorite part! Funny thing is, it might be an even tougher question next year as Sumner matures and guys like Gates get in the flow. (Mack has, I believe, called him the second best shooter on the team, so my hopes are high.) And we know JP can score in a variety of ways. Usually guys are talking about their one or two seniors as the "go to" guys. How awesome is this?

[xu82]

I love Sumner, and on any other team I'd be thrilled to have the ball in his hands to close out a game. But him taking the ball to the rack presents a number of problems. (1) He very well may turn it over. (2) He very well may miss the shot and/or not successfully draw the foul. (3) He very well may get fouled but miss one or more of the freebies. I say that because all three of those have been issues for him in non-crunch-time situations. On the other hand, despite their occasional streaky scoring over the course of games, both Myles and Bluiett have been remarkably consistent in crunch time. If we need a two, it's probably a toss-up for me between Trevon and Myles. And in retrospect I might even lean towards Trevon because of his ability to get to the rim and/or the line. Although if Myles can find his way to the line, it's nearly automatic at this point. On the other hand, if we need a 3, for me it's a no-brainer -- get Myles a clear (or at least semi-clear) look and let fly.

I love Sumner as much as the next guy, and he's a blast to watch, but he's only making about 2/3 of his FT's. I hope that is a point of emphasis for him. You want your PG to give you a warm comfortable feeling (Myles) when he steps up to the line, not the queezy fingers crossed feeling (Jalen last game).

[markchal]

You nailed it - that's my favorite part! Funny thing is, it might be an even tougher question next year as Sumner matures and guys like Gates get in the flow. (Mack has, I believe, called him the second best shooter on the team, so my hopes are high.) And we know JP can score in a variety of ways. Usually guys are talking about their one or two seniors as the "go to" guys. How awesome is this?

I know Mack has said it but I'm not buying Gates as our second best shooter. There are five other guys on this team
I'd trust shooting a 3 before Gates.

[paulxu]

I know Mack has said it but I'm not buying Gates as our second best shooter. There are five other guys on this team
I'd trust shooting a 3 before Gates.

If Mack says Gates is our second best shooter, he probably is. Mack sees him in practice everyday against our own guys. What he lacks is the experience of translating that skill into D1 game pressure situations...which may be why he is getting more playing time than London up till now. They both bring a lot of similar skill sets to the floor, but maybe Mack is trying to develop Gates' head into game pressure handling, so that we can utilize his outside threat. Just a thought.

[xuwin]

I know Mack has said it but I'm not buying Gates as our second best shooter. There are five other guys on this team
I'd trust shooting a 3 before Gates.

If he is his form sure doesn't suggest it. It may just be that with his limited playing time he is just rushing his shot and never getting set.

[waggy]

Real excited what I see from Gates.

[xu82]

I know Mack has said it but I'm not buying Gates as our second best shooter. There are five other guys on this team
I'd trust shooting a 3 before Gates.

Call me crazy if you wish (you won't be the first), but I think Mack probably says that for a reason. What does he gain by lying about Gates' ability to shoot the ball? We pay him to know more than we do. I get the doubt, but this kid was playing high school basketball 12 months ago. I'll trust our coach, he's been pretty good so far.

[XUFan09]

It's just a small sample size, which works both ways. Does anyone think Semaj was really a 39% shooter? That was his percentage on just 49 attempts his sophomore year.

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[nasdadjr]

If there's a college basketball team in 2016 with more depth than Xavier, I haven't seen them play yet. One of the reasons why X has been so good this year has been their ability to attack opponents with such a strong and balanced group of talent. My "MVP" of the team changes just about every week. It's been fun to watch.

However as we are all well aware, many games come tournament time are determined by one play, and often times - one player that steps up in a big moment. While I'm not suggesting that being this balanced is in someway a negative... it does make me question how X is constructed for big time tournament play.

How important or unimportant do you believe Xavier not having a traditional or clearly defined "go to player" in crunch time is? I'm curious to hear thoughts.

I only read 2 posts here so don't know if this was mentioned or not but I don't want anyone taking the last shot except macura right now. You just know if it's a big shot he has the moxy to hit it

[GoMuskies]

I was the only Macura vote....before today.

[LA Muskie]

Ha! Touche!


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[nasdadjr]

I was the only Macura vote....before today.

Look at the time of this post. It was put down before his second half performance so make that 2 for him

[GoMuskies]

Look at the time of this post. It was put down before his second half performance so make that 2 for him

Great minds...

[SemajParlor]

And this thread sucks now.

[GoMuskies]

My answer is still JP.

[X-ceptional]

My answer is still JP.

Ditto. Would have been nice to put the ball in his hands at the end of the game.

[X Factor]

Yep, would've have given it to JP for sure.

[vee4xu]

Since he made that shot against Providence, JP has been fearless and has delivered.

[Masterofreality]

My answer is still JP.

Yeah. Would have been nice for him to even see the floor.

[Cheesehead]

Yeah. Would have been nice for him to even see the floor.

I am not going to bash Mack but JP should have been on floor and Farr should have played more. Inside game was working. There were some other interesting coaching moves tonight.

[Muskie]

I don't believe Farr was feeling well. He was on the bench during warm ups and looked out of it when the game first started.


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[X Factor]

I don't believe Farr was feeling well. He was on the bench during warm ups and looked out of it when the game first started.


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WTF? He put up 18 & 15 in the first round against an arguably better frontcourt than Wisconsin. Actually Weber St. does have a better frontcourt than Wiscy.

[Muskie]

WTF? He put up 18 & 15 in the first round against an arguably better frontcourt than Wisconsin. Actually Weber St. does have a better frontcourt than Wiscy.

Just telling you what I saw. He was on the bench for most of warm-ups.


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[X Factor]

You look at offensive ratings and JP has a better offensive rating than both Myles and Trevon. His per 100 possesion numbers are better than both of them too. He draws fouls on opposing players, he sticks his face into every scrum, he makes plays and he's not afraid of the moment.

Wish he would've been in there at the end.

[waggy]

But with the lead you don't need offense. You need freethrow shooting, good decision making, and defense. In that situation I think it actually favors Myles percentage-wise.

[X Factor]

But with the lead you don't need offense. You need freethrow shooting, good decision making, and defense. In that situation I think it actually favors Myles percentage-wise.

Please don't tell me you're saying Myles plays better defense than JP? Good decision making? At the end of the day you have to score more points than the opposing team and Myles was 7-24 from the field, 2-11 from three in the last three games. Probably the three most important games of the year.

[waggy]

Players have bad games Factor. JP's had his share too. He was a TO machine against Seton Hall. The coach is just playing the end of game percentages, which can be debated.

[X Factor]

Players have bad games Factor. JP's had his share too. He was a TO machine against Seton Hall. The coach is just playing the end of game percentages, which can be debated.

All I'm saying is Myles has had ONE good NCAA tournament game out of five in the past 2 years. In five NCAA tourney games, he had one good game vs 14 seed Georgia St.

And you look at per 40 minutes and 100 possessions, JP has better numbers than Myles or Tre. I just think he deserved more minutes.

[XU 87]

Myles is always in at the end of close games- he is the best free throw shooter on the team.

[waggy]

And all I'm saying is I think coach thinks Myles gives the team a better chance if leading at end of games. Eventhough that advantage might be marginal.

Does the team have to play zone when JP's on the court?

[GetUp5]

Hindsight is absolutely 20/20 and this is a total message board fan post, but...

With 11 ticks left and a tie game, I'm putting in a lineup of Sumner, Abell, Tre, Farr and Reyolds. They're clearing out for Remy and Remy is driving on his man and drawing a foul or putting up a shot. He was the hot hand and he was the senior. Everyone else is crashing the boards. In the huddle, I'm telling the senior to go win us a ball game.

I hate that we had Tre, Macura and Remy watching the final play. Ed was far too careless with the ball last nigh to be trusted in that spot.

[Xavier]

Yeah the rotations were odd. Mack loved Omara. 13 minutes for Farr? We really played into Wisconsin hand...but missed on a ton of fast break drives to the hoop.

[SemajParlor]

People have been alluding to it but I think something was off with Jimmy. I noticed he wasn't nearly as aggressive as he usually is, crashing boards, chasing down rebounds etc. If he was battling some illness, it wouldn't surprise me.

[IM4X]

Agree.

[GoMuskies]

Hindsight is absolutely 20/20 and this is a total message board fan post, but...

With 11 ticks left and a tie game, I'm putting in a lineup of Sumner, Abell, Tre, Farr and Reyolds. They're clearing out for Remy and Remy is driving on his man and drawing a foul or putting up a shot. He was the hot hand and he was the senior. Everyone else is crashing the boards. In the huddle, I'm telling the senior to go win us a ball game.


Interesting idea. Personally, no way in hell do I purposely have Remy take a shot. If he ends up as the open man, great, but he's your worst offensive player in the rotation, so I cannot imagine asking him to carry the load on that end.

[GoMuskies]

Does the team have to play zone when JP's on the court?


JP's no more a defensive liability than Myles.

[BandAid]

Remy, JP, Jalen, Jimmy. These are the four that have proven to have no fear of a situation. Remy had his opportunity a couple of times last year and crapped the bed. Jalen is always a wildcard. Jimmy was glued to the bench. So my call would've been JP. We need an alpha dog in these situations.

[SemajParlor]

Interesting idea. Personally, no way in hell do I purposely have Remy take a shot. If he ends up as the open man, great, but he's your worst offensive player in the rotation, so I cannot imagine asking him to carry the load on that end.

He was*

Runs off hysterically crying.

[muethibp]

Last night's loss was our first close game of the year. First one that went down to the end like that. In this day and age, where so many games are close late, that really is incredible. Have to wonder if so little experience with end of the game situations hurt our team. And our coaching staff.

[SemajParlor]

Last night's loss was our first close game of the year. First one that went down to the end like that. In this day and age, where so many games are close late, that really is incredible. Have to wonder if so little experience with end of the game situations hurt our team. And our coaching staff.

Very, very good point.

[xufan2434]

I think this was Mack's best year as a coach, and he really has made a believer out of me. But I thought last night was not his best. Easy to criticize now, but the offensive game plan down the stretch cost us the game. I really really feel for Ed. Guy had an incredible season for a freshman. Thought it was a lot to ask of him. I know he had the reverse to go up 3, but honestly I didn't like that either. He just didn't have it last night. Wisconsin was challenging him at the rim better than anyone has all year, he wasn't making free throws. Just hard to put all that on his shoulders at the end of the game, when his confidence wasn't all that high and there are more experienced players.

I've seen JP's name thrown out there a lot, and I agree with his big game moments. I don't know to be honest though if he would have been able to get his own shot, rather put him on the wing for a possible kick. I stand by giving the ball to Myles and running pick and pop with Tre. If Hayes switches it and takes Myles, then swing to Tre and let him take whatever guard 1 on 1. I'll take that all day. If they don't switch, I like Myles penetrating either for a mid range jumper or pass when the defense collapses.

[IM4X]

Agree.


Agree with the posts here about having the seniors in the game and even putting the ball in their hands at the end or at least someone like JP who is not a freshman and who has proven to be clutch in moments when we really needed points. Who is going to have the will to win more than one of our senior who know their college career is over if the team does not advance?

Even Gillen was questioning having the ball in the hands of a freshmen in the final seconds of an NCAA game.

Also, I am very interested to learn more about the story with Farr. Unless he couldn't go due to injury or illness, why is he sitting so
much when he was our best rebounder, scorer, and player who was also able to get to the line the most? Does anyone have more info?

[mistabeecee41]

They had an experienced guard who wanted the ball in his hands. We had an inexperienced guard who has been playing timid for the last 5-7 games and looked frightened.

End of story. Ed will be completely fine, we're just not used to being the team with the scared guards. He's got more raw talent than Drew, Tu, JC, Mark or Semaj ever did. He just isn't there mentally, and it's understandable.

[xukeith]

Agree with the posts here about having the seniors in the game and even putting the ball in their hands at the end or at least someone like JP who is not a freshman and who has proven to be clutch in moments when we really needed points. Who is going to have the will to win more than one of our senior who know their college career is over if the team does not advance?

Even Gillen was questioning having the ball in the hands of a freshmen in the final seconds of an NCAA game.

Also, I am very interested to learn more about the story with Farr. Unless he couldn't go due to injury or illness, why is he sitting so
much when he was our best rebounder, scorer, and player who was also able to get to the line the most? Does anyone have more info?

Before the game started, trainers were massaging Farr's leg. Not sure if it was a thing he had problems with.
I bet he told coaches, "Hey leave Jalen in there".
My biggest concern was OMara out there and no Farr. I would never of played OMara (Yes he scored 4 points) His defense is 100x worse than Stainbrook's.
Something must have happened.

[Xavier]

More raw talent than Crawford? I don't know about that one.

[XUMIOH12]

More raw talent than Crawford? I don't know about that one.

yeah Crawford probably has the most raw talent of any Xavier player since david west

[scoscox]

yeah Crawford probably has the most raw talent of any Xavier player since david west

crawford was the most talented guy we've ever had imo. we needed a killer though. needed a tu or a chalmers or a crawford badly last night. somebody that was gonna get tired of koenig's shit and just go off. tough when all of our guards are so young. Remy played about as well as he can play other than not selling out entirely on the final shot, but our best players were too young. This time next year, Trevon should be just an absolute killer and I would expect some similar changes from Edmond.

[xufan2434]

crawford was the most talented guy we've ever had imo. we needed a killer though. needed a tu or a chalmers or a crawford badly last night. somebody that was gonna get tired of koenig's shit and just go off. tough when all of our guards are so young. Remy played about as well as he can play other than not selling out entirely on the final shot, but our best players were too young. This time next year, Trevon should be just an absolute killer and I would expect some similar changes from Edmond.

I agree and think they will be. Both of them, and JP/Myles for that matter all have the right attitude and mindset when it comes to putting in the work IMO. Can't imagine how dangerous those guys are going to be next year with another year under their belt playing together. Last night was about as tough of a match up that you can find for Tre. Nigel can play stretch 4 with the best of em, and Tre held his own on the defensive end. Defensively Nigel can move his feet to stay with him and has 2-3 inches and experience. He'll be back

[scoscox]

I agree and think they will be. Both of them, and JP/Myles for that matter all have the right attitude and mindset when it comes to putting in the work IMO. Can't imagine how dangerous those guys are going to be next year with another year under their belt playing together. Last night was about as tough of a match up that you can find for Tre. Nigel can play stretch 4 with the best of em, and Tre held his own on the defensive end. Defensively Nigel can move his feet to stay with him and has 2-3 inches and experience. He'll be back

Agreed. All of them are coming back and I can't wait for that. As angry as I get at Myles, I always think he's making stupid decisions for a senior and forget he still has another year. They're all so young. But yea Trevon was already stupidly automatic at the end of this year and I can't wait to see him just rip teams hearts out next year. The opening 3 against Weber State was just comical and every shot from the wing was an automatic 2. Quietly, the matchup between him and Hayes was probably one of the best in the tournament. They were going at each other. Hayes was a little quicker, but I thought Trevon legitimately got the better of him and was in his head a little bit. Either way Tre is a baller and can't wait to see what happens. I have a nagging feeling he's thinking about the NBA, but I'm sending up prayers for that not to happen.

[markchal]

Either way Tre is a baller and can't wait to see what happens. I have a nagging feeling he's thinking about the NBA, but I'm sending up prayers for that not to happen.

If he's thinking about the NBA, it's about getting tickets to watch a game. He's not leaving anytime soon.

[scoscox]

If he's thinking about the NBA, it's about getting tickets to watch a game. He's not leaving anytime soon.

Guys with less talent and less proven have done it before.

[Cheesehead]

"I have a nagging feeling he's thinking about the NBA, but I'm sending up prayers for that not to happen."

Trevon would not even get drafted. I love the kid and I am sure he can play overseas when that day comes but he is no way an NBA player.

[scoscox]

He was a third team all-american this year as a sophomore 6'6" small forward. That's pretty freaking good. I'm just saying I think he thinks he's good enough to do it and with the weak class this year and the strong class projected next year it may enter his mind. It's just in the back of my mind. Far worse players have left early. I should really just stop thinking about it haha.

[Cheesehead]

Welll, Trevon doesn't have very good handlers if he thinks he is ready for NBA:

Derrik Brown- short NBA career
Semaj
Chalmers
Crawford in China
Romain Sato
Dolleman
Duncan
Cage

[NY44]

I really really disagree with those saying it's Myles Davis. He is a heck of a player and no-doubt the guy I want taking a spot up three, but he's not the "it guy". There's been a lot of comparisons to Tu as the prototypical go- to player, and I agree with that. You give the ball to him at half-court in a must score situation and he's giving you a good shot one way or another. I've seen Myles Davis be trapped or succumb to pressure defense too many times to label him the go-to guy.

I think it's gotta be JP Macura, or maybe it was Remy last night. You can tell JP has never shied away from a moment in his life, and Remy's seniority and experience really shined through last night. While he's not the only, or even the best, senior (Farr) he probably has the most in-game experience of anyone on the team. It showed in the spotlight.

I'll end my rant by saying we need it to be Bluiett and I've seen no indication that it is. 17 points in 2 tournament games for a guy whose season PPG is 15.1 is immensely disappointing.

[scoscox]

Trevon was the 24th recruit in his class and a third team all-american as a sophomore. Only crawford can stack up that from that list, so I don't think he'd be crazy for thinking that. Crawdaddy should be in the NBA and the only reason he's not is because team's don't like his personality. Agreed in that I think he needs to develop more and I'm not saying he'd make in the NBA at all, just saying that other far worse players have made that decision before and Tre definitely sees himself in the NBA.

[NY44]

Trevon was the 24th recruit in his class and a third team all-american as a sophomore. Only crawford can stack up that from that list, so I don't think he'd be crazy for thinking that. Crawdaddy should be in the NBA and the only reason he's not is because team's don't like his personality. Agreed in that I think he needs to develop more and I'm not saying he'd make in the NBA at all, just saying that other far worse players have made that decision before and Tre definitely sees himself in the NBA.

I think the Crawford comparison is a solid one. But if you remember, Crawford didn't really get any national attention until his big moments in the tourney. I think Bluiett is still a relatively unknown and that exposure is very important to draft stock.

[scoscox]

Very good points. That's why my dominant thought process it that he's learly coming back, but it's in the back of my mind. Nothing would throw salt in the wounds more right now. Clearly the thoughts are creeping in as I'm in a fragile place with my fan morale

[GoMuskies]

Remember when Crawford missed like 4 potential game winners in the same game at Wake?

[markchal]

Trevon was the 24th recruit in his class and a third team all-american as a sophomore. Only crawford can stack up that from that list, so I don't think he'd be crazy for thinking that. Crawdaddy should be in the NBA and the only reason he's not is because team's don't like his personality. Agreed in that I think he needs to develop more and I'm not saying he'd make in the NBA at all, just saying that other far worse players have made that decision before and Tre definitely sees himself in the NBA.

I cannot disagree more with this. I hate these discussions, because it just ends up in us attacking the flaws in our players. Just because you're a great college player doesn't mean you'd leave for the NBA. All of our players who have left early had next-level athleticism or size. Trevon is a wonderful college player, but is not big enough and not nearly fast enough to play in the NBA. He's not an idiot, and no one near him would even suggest going pro right now.

He's not comparable to Crawford at all in this regard. Crawford was a wonderfully athletic, prototypical NBA 2 with few noticeable flaws in his game. He went to China because he made more there, but could've kept playing for the vets min in the NBA. We have a lot of concerns for next year, but don't worry for a second about Trevon Blueitt leaving early for the NBA.

[scoscox]

I certainly hope you're right

[SemajParlor]

Yeah, and I say this respectfully - if Blueitt leaves after 2 years I'm not sure we want that delusion in our locker room anyways.

[atljar]

Tre isnt going anywhere this year.


Next years team.... I want JP taking the last second Tu/Steel Balls shot.

[LA Muskie]

Of course Tre is thinking about the NBA. It's his dream.

And he probably will announce that he's making himself eligible for the draft. No reason not to. Because of the new rules he will get a chance to get first-hand advice on what he needs to work on.

Then he'll come back and lead the team next year.

Those who don't think he was our leader this year need only listen to opposing coaches. He was the primary focus of every team against which we played. There's a reason he was first team All Big East and third team All American.


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[X-ceptional]

Back to the topic at issue... I guess it depends on how you define "go to." Tre has to be the one to carry the load next year game in and game out, and I believe he will do it.

However, the first post specifically called out "in crunch time." In that case, I am behind J.P.M.F. Macura 100%. If it comes down to it, I want him taking the shot. I can't say dude is Tu Holloway level yet, simply because he's only been here two years (of course, as a soph., Tu hit those three FT's to send the KSU Sweet 16 game into its first overtime... the epitome of steel balls.). But, there is a reason J.P. has earned the two extra initials... he wants the ball when the game is on the line, and I want him to have it.

[drudy23]

Tre has zero chance of getting drafted this year. He would get eaten alive in the NBA. He needs to get 100x more explosive.

[XUMIOH12]

Tre has zero chance of getting drafted this year. He would get eaten alive in the NBA. He needs to get 100x more explosive.

100% agree. But, with the new rules, he may declare for the draft, workout in the combine or for teams or whatever, get some feedback, then return to Xavier before the deadline.

[XUFan09]

100% agree. But, with the new rules, he may declare for the draft, workout in the combine or for teams or whatever, get some feedback, then return to Xavier before the deadline.
Yep. He gets useful feedback and the coaches can let NBA guys tell him he shouldn't stay in the draft, rather than having to tell him themselves.

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[smileyy]

Tre has zero chance of getting drafted this year. He would get eaten alive in the NBA. He needs to get 100x more explosive.

Disagree, and he'll never get more explosive. Defensive footwork would be a thing he can greatly improve. One of his skillsets (the 16-18' jumper) is a terrible shot in terms of points per shot, and successful NBA teams are avoiding it.

"Poor-man's Carmelo Anthony" is a description I've heard (maybe here) and I think it fits.

[XUMIOH12]

Disagree, and he'll never get more explosive. Defensive footwork would be a thing he can greatly improve. One of his skillsets (the 16-18' jumper) is a terrible shot in terms of points per shot, and successful NBA teams are avoiding it.

"Poor-man's Carmelo Anthony" is a description I've heard (maybe here) and I think it fits.

it sort of sounds like you guys are agreeing?

[scoscox]

Disagree, and he'll never get more explosive. Defensive footwork would be a thing he can greatly improve. One of his skillsets (the 16-18' jumper) is a terrible shot in terms of points per shot, and successful NBA teams are avoiding it.

"Poor-man's Carmelo Anthony" is a description I've heard (maybe here) and I think it fits.

Boom that was me. Tre can definitely get more explosive. In no way is he even close to his athletic potential.

[MADXSTER]

Explosiveness is something that can be worked on and improved. It will happen.

[LA Muskie]

There's absolutely room for Tre to improve. But I wouldn't expect him to suddenly become an "althletic" player, at least in terms of how people generally think of that term. Nor does he need to be. He's highly skilled, and that can get him very, very far.


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[xu82]

There's absolutely room for Tre to improve. But I wouldn't expect him to suddenly become an "althletic" player, at least in terms of how people generally think of that term. Nor does he need to be. He's highly skilled, and that can get him very, very far.


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He has great instincts and body control which allows him to score in a lot of different ways. Everyone can get better. Why would he not? Not a different person, but better.

[XUFan09]

Trevon just looks like one of those guys who can make it in the League while not fitting the prototype for his position. Because he doesn't fit the prototype, it's tougher to get there, but he feels like one of those guys that might make it work and for a decent career too.

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[xu82]

I don't know why, but Adrian Dantley comes to mind. About 6'5", not overly physically gifted, but can just beat you at basketball, inside or out.

[drudy23]

Poor man's Carmelo? Not quite.

Carmelo has every shot in the book...AND...and this is a big AND...he can make his own shot and score in many, many ways. Tre has a decent mid-range game, but is very suspect when he takes it to the hole while finishing through traffic or bigger post defenders. He's a jump shooter right now.

And the freaks of nature in the NBA would not allow him to get that shot off...at least right now. He's very slow off the bounce, and has below average jumping ability (comparatively). I don't think he will even declare to test the waters.

Him and Buddy Hield play the same position. Buddy Hield is an NBA prospect. And for every reason that Tre isn't.

Not knocking him, he just needs more development to play at that level.

[Xville]

Ugh why does this keep coming up? Tre is 6'5, slow, and not athletic even for a major division 1 level. On what planet is he going to make the nba? Tre is a very good college basketball player, and he can shoot. But again he is 6'5...the only position he could play at that height in the nba is the 2....he's not athletic enough to play the 2 and that is not suddenly going to change. If Sato who was an athletic freak who could shoot couldn't make it in the nba, tre isn't either.

[drudy23]

Ugh why does this keep coming up? Tre is 6'5, slow, and not athletic even for a major division 1 level. On what planet is he going to make the nba? Tre is a very good college basketball player, and he can shoot. But again he is 6'5...the only position he could play at that height in the nba is the 2....he's not athletic enough to play the 2 and that is not suddenly going to change. If Sato who was an athletic freak who could shoot couldn't make it in the nba, tre isn't either.

More or less...you're right.

[LA Muskie]

I always know people who don't watch the NBA when they assume that every position has cookie cutter attributes. I don't think Tre is ready either, but the fact that he isn't Buddy Hield isn't remotely on the list of reasons why.

[X Factor]

Ugh why does this keep coming up? Tre is 6'5, slow, and not athletic even for a major division 1 level. On what planet is he going to make the nba? Tre is a very good college basketball player, and he can shoot. But again he is 6'5...the only position he could play at that height in the nba is the 2....he's not athletic enough to play the 2 and that is not suddenly going to change. If Sato who was an athletic freak who could shoot couldn't make it in the nba, tre isn't either.

I pretty much agree. Sato averaged over 16 and 7 as a sophmore. As a junior he averaged 18 and 8!

I hope Tre does make it to the NBA. He's going to have to become a 50% shooter from three though.
I can't wait to see his game improve next year. Glad he is on our team that's for sure.

[Xavier]

Sato is a tough example- after a few years in Europe he was rated the number one international player. Many NBA teams wanted him but he wouldn't come unless he was assured rotation minutes, not just 11/12 status. Also he wasn't going to get paid the same, either. That's not to say I disagree with you on Tre, just saying Sato isn't a good example.

Also, you are going to start seeing teams go away from the "prototypical player" at least in the sense you won't see as many drafted on potential because of Hieght and athletic ability. Draymond Green is a good example, a 6'7 PF.

Again, I don't disagree with the take on Tre- just saying it's not exactly cut and dry as some are making it out to be.

[drudy23]

I always know people who don't watch the NBA when they assume that every position has cookie cutter attributes. I don't think Tre is ready either, but the fact that he isn't Buddy Hield isn't remotely on the list of reasons why.

Buddy Hield - NBA prospect
Tre Blueitt - not NBA prospect

There's a reason for that...and it's skill and athleticism.

[scoscox]

There's absolutely room for Tre to improve. But I wouldn't expect him to suddenly become an "althletic" player, at least in terms of how people generally think of that term. Nor does he need to be. He's highly skilled, and that can get him very, very far.


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Well if he doesn't, it's going to seriously hamper him. That is 100% just working harder every day and eating better. No reason for a serious basketball player as good as trevon to have weight problems. Being skilled is obviously essential but so is athleticism otherwise the nba would look a lot different. Even Stephen curry wouldn't be effective if he wasn't quick enough to get his shot off.

[LA Muskie]

I think we're talking different things. Tre certainly can improve on his athleticism. And yes he needs to. But he's not ever going to be a freak NBA athlete. Nor does he need to be.


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[scoscox]

I see what you mean. No he doesn't, but he needs to be in better shape. It's honestly pretty inexcusable for tre to be in the shape he currently is even after losing a little weight from last year. Quickness has got to improve, which is easierand than suddenly developing a huge vert or anything like that

[smileyy]

Ugh why does this keep coming up? Tre is 6'5, slow, and not athletic even for a major division 1 level. On what planet is he going to make the nba? Tre is a very good college basketball player, and he can shoot. But again he is 6'5...the only position he could play at that height in the nba is the 2....he's not athletic enough to play the 2 and that is not suddenly going to change. If Sato who was an athletic freak who could shoot couldn't make it in the nba, tre isn't either.

DX projects him as a second rounder next year.

OTOH, DX has no idea what to do with Edmond Sumner, so take it with a grain of salt.

[XUMIOH12]

DX projects him as a second rounder next year.

OTOH, DX has no idea what to do with Edmond Sumner, so take it with a grain of salt.

NBA mock drafts are pretty much worthless, they are so unpredictable, especially when it is more than a year in the future.

[smileyy]

NBA mock drafts are pretty much worthless, they are so unpredictable, especially when it is more than a year in the future.

Something it does tell me is that it's not ludicrous to think of him as an NBA player.

[SemajParlor]

DX projects him as a second rounder next year.

OTOH, DX has no idea what to do with Edmond Sumner, so take it with a grain of salt.


NBAdraft.net has Ed going 9

[TUclutch]

I see what you mean. No he doesn't, but he needs to be in better shape. It's honestly pretty inexcusable for tre to be in the shape he currently is even after losing a little weight from last year. Quickness has got to improve, which is easierand than suddenly developing a huge vert or anything like that

I've seen Tre up close numerous times. The dude is pretty muscular. Im not sure where this thought of hes not in very good shape is coming from. Last season? yes i get it. This season? no i don't see that argument

[SemajParlor]

Didn't realize Tre was 21.

[drudy23]

I've seen Tre up close numerous times. The dude is pretty muscular. Im not sure where this thought of hes not in very good shape is coming from. Last season? yes i get it. This season? no i don't see that argument

To you and I...without a doubt.

To the freaks of nature that make NBA rosters...not so much. It goes to show you how miniscule your odds are in making the league. Tre is a stud basketball player, and may never get a sniff.

I don't think the average person truly understands the skill and athleticism gap between NBA contributor and almost drafted.

[XUMIOH12]

Didn't realize Tre was 21.

guess hes too old to be in college anymore, hes definitely going to go pro now.

[XUMIOH12]

I've seen Tre up close numerous times. The dude is pretty muscular. Im not sure where this thought of hes not in very good shape is coming from. Last season? yes i get it. This season? no i don't see that argument


I see what you mean. No he doesn't, but he needs to be in better shape. It's honestly pretty inexcusable for tre to be in the shape he currently is even after losing a little weight from last year. Quickness has got to improve, which is easierand than suddenly developing a huge vert or anything like that

you guys need to meet in the middle somewehere

[XUMIOH12]

To you and I...without a doubt.

To the freaks of nature that make NBA rosters...not so much. It goes to show you how miniscule your odds are in making the league. Tre is a stud basketball player, and may never get a sniff.

I don't think the average person truly understands the skill and athleticism gap between NBA contributor and almost drafted.

yes

[XMuskieFTW]

Didn't realize Tre was 21.

Is a 22 year old junior really going to want to be playing with 18-19 year olds?! No way he returns!

[XUGRAD80]

Is a 22 year old junior really going to want to be playing with 18-19 year olds?! No way he returns!


Sure, why not? Not to mention that most of the returning or incoming players are NOT 18-19, but are at least 20-21. So many of the players that X recruits anymore are coming from prep schools, and not straight from HS. I don't know if he returns or not (I selfishly hope he does), but I don't think the age of the OTHER players has any influence on the decision. Far to early to be speculating on what a player may do after NEXT season.

[XUMIOH12]

Sure, why not? Not to mention that most of the returning or incoming players are NOT 18-19, but are at least 20-21. So many of the players that X recruits anymore are coming from prep schools, and not straight from HS. I don't know if he returns or not (I selfishly hope he does), but I don't think the age of the OTHER players has any influence on the decision. Far to early to be speculating on what a player may do after NEXT season.

i think you missed the sarcasm

[XMuskieFTW]

i think you missed the sarcasm

:D

[SemajParlor]

I like how people dismiss age being a contributing factor to someone's decision. Never really understood why people make fun of that notion like it hasn't been proven that it's a very real thing.

[scoscox]

I've seen Tre up close numerous times. The dude is pretty muscular. Im not sure where this thought of hes not in very good shape is coming from. Last season? yes i get it. This season? no i don't see that argument

Probably something to do with him being the least athletic guy on the floor nearly every team we play. I'm not ripping him at all and he is a great player, but this needs to happen. Can you imagine how much better he could be?

[scoscox]

He's also still carrying more weight than he should. I guess your standards are just low. Compare Tre to some other players that are great athletes and it's not even close.

[xuwin]

Buddy Hield - NBA prospect
Tre Blueitt - not NBA prospect

There's a reason for that...and it's skill and athleticism.

The sophomore stats for the two are almost identical. You're comparing a sophomore to a senior.

[xuwin]

you guys need to meet in the middle somewehere

Tre led the team in minutes per game. I think that says something about his condition.

[NY44]

The sophomore stats for the two are almost identical. You're comparing a sophomore to a senior.

To echo points made earlier, why would a scout care about what class they're in? Sure, comparing a sophomore and a senior is less than fair, but I'd bet in a scouts view you're comparing a 21 and a 22 year old.

[XMuskieFTW]

Do scouts really care that much if a guy is 21 or 23 coming out of college? You're going to sign him to a maximum of a 5 year deal maybe? That puts him at either 26 or 28 when that deal expires. It's not like scouts are drafting guys for their entire careers, so I think it's definitely 99% about skill and upside and maybe 1% about age.

[XUMIOH12]

The sophomore stats for the two are almost identical. You're comparing a sophomore to a senior.

In regards to the NBA draft pick vs. not

Hield - 6-4-212lbs, legitimately plays the 2
Bluiett - 6-6 215lbs, plays the 3-4

Hield is much quicker than Bluiett and shoots about 7% higher from both the field and from 3.

[XUMIOH12]

Tre led the team in minutes per game. I think that says something about his condition.

Nobody said he was out of shape stamina wise. More that he doesnt have great quickness or jumping ability compared to other players

[XUMIOH12]

Do scouts really care that much if a guy is 21 or 23 coming out of college? You're going to sign him to a maximum of a 5 year deal maybe? That puts him at either 26 or 28 when that deal expires. It's not like scouts are drafting guys for their entire careers, so I think it's definitely 99% about skill and upside and maybe 1% about age.

age is definitely a factor, but more so if you are deciding between similar players when one is 19-20 and the other is 22-23.
This is especially true later in the draft, when teams would rather draft younger players and hope they end up developing well.
Probably doesnt matter as much in the lottery of the draft.

[NY44]

Do scouts really care that much if a guy is 21 or 23 coming out of college? You're going to sign him to a maximum of a 5 year deal maybe? That puts him at either 26 or 28 when that deal expires. It's not like scouts are drafting guys for their entire careers, so I think it's definitely 99% about skill and upside and maybe 1% about age.

Considering the average NBA career is 5 years long, I'd say so. Also, I'd say upside is significantly about age, especially for a skills player.

[drudy23]

If someone can't see the obvious differences between Hield and Tre in terms of explosiveness, physique, quickness, and NBA potential...there's nothing I can say to change your mind. It's that obvious.

Tre is a great player...but it will be a huge uphill climb for him to get there.

[smileyy]

The comparison is being made between a lottery pick and a late 2nd rounder -- there should be a gulf of talent/performance between the two.

[Drew]

The NBA draft will always be about the potential upside. For some players that means going as young as possible because of natural athleticism. For others, it means going after a hot year.

[XUFan09]

The comparison is being made between a lottery pick and a late 2nd rounder -- there should be a gulf of talent/performance between the two.
Yeah, I don't get the choice of comparison. Hey, LeBron James is a 6'8" athletic forward and so is Kaiser Gates. Let's compare the two in order to assess Kaiser's NBA chances.

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[LA Muskie]

The comparison is being made between a lottery pick and a late 2nd rounder -- there should be a gulf of talent/performance between the two.

They also aren't remotely the same player/skill-set. It's like saying the orange can't be in the fruit basket because it doesn't taste like an apple.


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[drudy23]

First of all, no one said he was a late second rounder...maybe one person that is senile. He wouldn't be close to being drafted this year.

Second, the comparison was what an NBA first rounder looks like as compared to Tre...night and day.

[scoscox]

If someone can't see the obvious differences between Hield and Tre in terms of explosiveness, physique, quickness, and NBA potential...there's nothing I can say to change your mind. It's that obvious.

Tre is a great player...but it will be a huge uphill climb for him to get there.

Yup

[SemajParlor]

He's got a long ways to go, but if we're trying to do NBA comparisons that actually make sense...I see a lot of Jared Dudley in Blueitt.