XAVIER vs PROVIDENCE

[MADXSTER]

1931 vs 1932

#7 Xavier University Musketeers (17-2) RPI 5, SOS 21, KENPOM 17
W Miami(OH) 81-72
W Missouri 78-66
W Michigan 86-70
W NKU 78-66
W Alabama 64-45
W USC 87-77
W _ayton 90-61
W Western Kentucky 95-64
W Wright State 90-55
W Cincinnati 65-55
W Auburn 85-61
W Wake Forest 78-70
L Villanova 95-64
W Butler 88-69
W St Johns 74-66
W DePaul 84-64
W Marquette 74-66
L Georgetown 81-72
W Seton Hall 84-76

vs #10 Providence Friars (17-3) RPI 21, SOS 51, KENPOM 37

W Harvard 76-64
W Illinois 60-59
W Brown 94-73
W NJIT 83-76
W Evansville 74-64
W Arizona 69-65
L Michigan St 77-64
W Hartford 89-66
W Rhode Island 74-72
W Boston College 66-51
W Bryant 74-67
W Rider 73-65
W UMass 90-66
W Butler 81-73
W St John's 83-65
L Marquette 65-64
W Creighton 50-48
L Seton Hall 81-72
W Butler 71-68
W Villanova 82-76



Location: Providence
Tuesday Jan 26th 2016 at 8:30pm EST
Television: FS1
Radio: 700WLW-AM with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).

[D-West & PO-Z]

XU -1.5

Seems fishy, think that is a good thing.

[MADXSTER]

Xavier beat a top 10 team at Cintas earlier this season in Butler. Would be nice to beat a top 10 team on the road.

[muskiefan82]

How in the he!! did Marquette beat these guys?

[xufan2434]

How in the he!! did Marquette beat these guys?

Providence had a bumpy 3 game stretch (L to Marquette, W @ Creighton by 2, Loss to Seton Hall). Obviously bounced back well against Butler and Nova. Gonna be a hell of a game. I think X is the deeper team, but will be interesting to see how much of zone and man Mack decides to use

[X-band '01]

It also tells me that Providence wins a lot of big games but has a tendency to fall asleep at the wheel for not-so-big games (see Xavier-Georgetown).

[bobbiemcgee]

Jalen had 19 against the friars last yr. We need him to be productive.

[bobbiemcgee]

Xavier beat a top 10 team at Cintas earlier this season in Butler. Would be nice to beat a top 10 team on the road.

1st ever matchup of top ten teams @ the Dunk.

[Xavier]

From here on out its likely the most important game in the regular season. I imagine a win on the road against a top 10 team would be better ratings wise than a win at home against a top 5 team. Just in terms of seeding and what not....I think I would still rather beat Nova because we haven't yet.

[boozehound]

With some depth issues on Providence's squad, we may be very lucky that the game against Nova got postponed to Sunday. That is a relatively short turnaround for the Friars. Hopefully we can capitalize.

[xukeith]

[I] am concerned with an AMAZING guard they have in Dunn.
I saw him and he might be close to unstoppable. We need Remy and all guards to shut down on D and everyone BOX out. Offensive will come, but need the best defense.

Odds are not in X's favor but we shall see if Friars lay an egg.
Hope Reynolds goes nuts with 18 and 11 boards.

[D-West & PO-Z]

[I] am concerned with an AMAZING guard they have in Dunn.
I saw him and he might be close to unstoppable. We need Remy and all guards to shut down on D and everyone BOX out. Offensive will come, but need the best defense.

Odds are not in X's favor but we shall see if Friars lay an egg.
Hope Reynolds goes nuts with 18 and 11 boards.

Actually we are favored.

[xukeith]

Actually we are favored.

would you bet $100 and give Friars points?
Ed Sumner vs. Kris Dunn?

[GIMMFD]

I think we have the guard play to neutralize Dunn, he didn't go off against Butler, and I think with Abell and the length of Sumner, it's a possibility. I'm worried about Bentil. He's having a monster year and if he gets Jalen and James into foul trouble it could be a long night for us.

[xu82]

would you bet $100 and give Friars points?
Ed Sumner vs. Kris Dunn?

I don't bet, but if I did I'm pretty sure I'd consider that there will be more than 2 players on the floor.

[drudy23]

Only chance to win the Big East is to take this game...Villanova isn't going to lose 3-4 games in conference. Have to pick up a game on Nova to have a shot at league championship.

[XUFan09]

Only chance to win the Big East is to take this game...Villanova isn't going to lose 3-4 games in conference. Have to pick up a game on Nova to have a shot at league championship.

Yup. Xavier needs to be at most one game back from Nova heading into the rematch on February 24.

[D-West & PO-Z]

would you bet $100 and give Friars points?
Ed Sumner vs. Kris Dunn?

My answer would have no bearing on the fact that we are favored and you saying the odds are not in our favor is not in accordance with what Vegas thinks.

[XUFan09]

As XUBrew mentioned, Providence seems almost to be better on the road than at home...and I just jinxed Xavier.

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[Nigel Tufnel]

would you bet $100 and give Friars points?
Ed Sumner vs. Kris Dunn?

As of right now, I would. X being favored is strange. The public betting them at 58% is even stranger. If the line goes up for X tomorrow, I'd lay $110/100. If it goes back down to Even or Friars favored, won't touch it. Not saying I'd win, but if X is favored at tip off tomorrow, I'd lay $100 on them.

[waggy]

As of right now, I would. X being favored is strange. The public betting them at 58% is even stranger. If the line goes up for X tomorrow, I'd lay $110/100. If it goes back down to Even or Friars favored, won't touch it. Not saying I'd win, but if X is favored at tip off tomorrow, I'd lay $100 on them.


So you're betting on X if the line moves against them?

[chico]

As of right now, I would. X being favored is strange. The public betting them at 58% is even stranger. If the line goes up for X tomorrow, I'd lay $110/100. If it goes back down to Even or Friars favored, won't touch it. Not saying I'd win, but if X is favored at tip off tomorrow, I'd lay $100 on them.

The site I use (for entertainment only, never to gamble actual currency) had the game as a pick 'em originally but now it's X -1.

[XUMIOH12]

With some depth issues on Providence's squad, we may be very lucky that the game against Nova got postponed to Sunday. That is a relatively short turnaround for the Friars. Hopefully we can capitalize.

I dont think the "short turnaround" will have any affect on the game or the Providence players. These are division 1 athletes. and there are plenty of teams that schedule games with only 1 day off in between.

[Nigel Tufnel]

So you're betting on X if the line moves against them?

Correct. The more they are favored, the more I would like it....but that doesn't seem to be the case this morning as it is currently a pick em. Probably just going to pass and enjoy the game.

[X-band '01]

Xavier will be wearing the navy jerseys for the 2nd time this season; they also wore them in a winning effort at St. John's earlier this month.

[XUMIOH12]

Xavier will be wearing the navy jerseys for the 2nd time this season; they also wore them in a winning effort at St. John's earlier this month.

seems like the players must like wearing the blue ones the least.

[XUFan09]

I dont think the "short turnaround" will have any affect on the game or the Providence players. These are division 1 athletes. and there are plenty of teams that schedule games with only 1 day off in between.
People always say this, as if being a D1 athlete gives some kind of superpowers. The human body just can't 100% recover in that short of turnaround. It's a wash if the other team of D1 athletes has had the same rest, like in the tournament, but Xavier got an extra 24 hours. It's not the be-all-end-all, but it's also not negligible.

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[XUMIOH12]

People always say this, as if being a D1 athlete gives some kind of superpowers. The human body just can't 100% recover in that short of turnaround. It's a wash if the other team of D1 athletes has had the same rest, like in the tournament, but Xavier got an extra 24 hours. It's not the be-all-end-all, but it's also not negligible.

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it is negligible. D1 athletes are in prime athletic condition and 1 day of rest is plenty to recover from playing 1 game. Especially when their previous game was last Tuesday. If it wasnt possible for the human body to recover in that time period than there wouldnt be games scheduled like that as there are now. If there is any sort of fatigue layover from that game, it would be mental fatigue.

[sgarcia]

Only chance to win the Big East is to take this game...Villanova isn't going to lose 3-4 games in conference. Have to pick up a game on Nova to have a shot at league championship.

Nova is winning the league regular season title for the following 3 reasons.
1) They haven't played DePaul or St John's yet and we've already played each once.
2) They've played most of their hard road games. Only at us and at Providence are their tough remaining league road games.
2) We've shown 0 ability to beat Nova in any of our 5 meetings since joining the BE.

[SemajParlor]

I will be in attendance and I am jacked up.

[drudy23]

Nova is winning the league regular season title for the following 3 reasons.
1) They haven't played DePaul or St John's yet and we've already played each once.
2) They've played most of their hard road games. Only at us and at Providence are their tough remaining league road games.
2) We've shown 0 ability to beat Nova in any of our 5 meetings since joining the BE.

Certainly Nova has the advantage being up 2 games and owning this league already. But this game is huge for Providence and Xavier to have any shot at winning the league. And at us and at Providence are two games they could definitely lose.

Probably more huge for Providence as they could get two wins over Nova and win a tie breaker in the case of the same record.

[xufan2434]

it is negligible. D1 athletes are in prime athletic condition and 1 day of rest is plenty to recover from playing 1 game. Especially when their previous game was last Tuesday. If it wasnt possible for the human body to recover in that time period than there wouldnt be games scheduled like that as there are now. If there is any sort of fatigue layover from that game, it would be mental fatigue.

I know what you're saying and yes they're in prime condition right now, but it's still going to have some kind of affect I would imagine. Dunn played 43 minutes and Bentil played 45 AT NOVA. Those are 40+ grueling minutes. I'm not saying they're going to come out flat because of it, but if X keeps coming at them in waves, then yes I think they'll be tired in the 2nd half. Just because they're in great condition doesn't mean they aren't banged up from a hard fought game against a top 5 team in the country. And there have been countless times where players, coaches, commentators have mentioned short turnarounds and possible fatigue. If there wasn't really any of that actually going on, then why would they mention it?

[XUMIOH12]

I know what you're saying and yes they're in prime condition right now, but it's still going to have some kind of affect I would imagine. Dunn played 43 minutes and Bentil played 45 AT NOVA. Those are 40+ grueling minutes. I'm not saying they're going to come out flat because of it, but if X keeps coming at them in waves, then yes I think they'll be tired in the 2nd half. Just because they're in great condition doesn't mean they aren't banged up from a hard fought game against a top 5 team in the country. And there have been countless times where players, coaches, commentators have mentioned short turnarounds and possible fatigue. If there wasn't really any of that actually going on, then why would they mention it?

because its just a talking point, really all speculation. My opinion is that, unless there is an injury (and Dunn did bang his knee but came back and appeared fine), than there isnt ant physical fatigue that will take place. a 40-45 minutes game that takes the course of 2-2.5 hours isnt going to take a toll on these guys. They practice and play basketball 6 days per week for hours at a time.

[X-band '01]

it is negligible. D1 athletes are in prime athletic condition and 1 day of rest is plenty to recover from playing 1 game. Especially when their previous game was last Tuesday. If it wasnt possible for the human body to recover in that time period than there wouldnt be games scheduled like that as there are now. If there is any sort of fatigue layover from that game, it would be mental fatigue.


I know what you're saying and yes they're in prime condition right now, but it's still going to have some kind of affect I would imagine. Dunn played 43 minutes and Bentil played 45 AT NOVA. Those are 40+ grueling minutes. I'm not saying they're going to come out flat because of it, but if X keeps coming at them in waves, then yes I think they'll be tired in the 2nd half. Just because they're in great condition doesn't mean they aren't banged up from a hard fought game against a top 5 team in the country. And there have been countless times where players, coaches, commentators have mentioned short turnarounds and possible fatigue. If there wasn't really any of that actually going on, then why would they mention it?

What I would add here is that Xavier has the advantage of an extra day's rest for tonight. Providence should get an adrenaline bump early on because of the historical significance of their home game tonight, but will Xavier be able to play 2 halves against the Friars?

[xufan2434]

because its just a talking point, really all speculation. My opinion is that, unless there is an injury (and Dunn did bang his knee but came back and appeared fine), than there isnt ant physical fatigue that will take place. a 40-45 minutes game that takes the course of 2-2.5 hours isnt going to take a toll on these guys. They practice and play basketball 6 days per week for hours at a time.

So are you saying that you've never watched a college basketball game where the players look tired from anything other than injury?

[drudy23]

So are you saying that you've never watched a college basketball game where the players look tired from anything other than injury?

He's not saying they don't get tired during the course of a game...he's saying their ability to get refreshed and bounce back from a night's sleep does the trick for them. Kris Dunn wasn't tired anymore when he woke up on Monday morning. He was good to go.

[XUMIOH12]

So are you saying that you've never watched a college basketball game where the players look tired from anything other than injury?

That is not what i am saying, and thats a stupid question here. I am saying that when a team has over 48 hours to recover, any physical fatigue from that game should not have an effect on the next game.

[XUFan09]

it is negligible. D1 athletes are in prime athletic condition and 1 day of rest is plenty to recover from playing 1 game. Especially when their previous game was last Tuesday. If it wasnt possible for the human body to recover in that time period than there wouldnt be games scheduled like that as there are now. If there is any sort of fatigue layover from that game, it would be mental fatigue.

This is biologically false. Physical fatigue actually peaks at around 48 hours after a serious workout. A number of studies done different ways all tend to lead to this result.

Concerning the bolded point, Providence's last game was originally scheduled for Saturday, three days prior, but had to be moved because of the weather. Games aren't generally scheduled like this outside of tournaments, and like I said, the rest time is equal between teams in the case of tournaments, so it's a wash. If you look at Xavier's schedule, there isn't a single gap between games less than 3 days outside of their exempt tournament and the New Year's Eve to January 2nd turnaround, both cases where the rest time was generally equal for teams. With Providence's schedule, the only time they only had just two days rest was between two buy games back in November.

Losing that extra day rest isn't a serious blow to Providence, but it does have an effect, because of how even top-shape bodies recover from physical exertion.

[Wheelhouse]

I dont think the "short turnaround" will have any affect on the game or the Providence players. These are division 1 athletes. and there are plenty of teams that schedule games with only 1 day off in between.

Is it possible that Providence won't be affected by the quick turnaround? Of course, but to be adamant that they won't be affected is quite naive.

[Wheelhouse]

That is not what i am saying, and thats a stupid question here. I am saying that when a team has over 48 hours to recover, any physical fatigue from that game should not have an effect on the next game.

What are you basing this on? Personal experience? Were you a Division 1 athlete in a physically demanding sport? Are you a doctor?

[xufan2434]

That is not what i am saying, and thats a stupid question here. I am saying that when a team has over 48 hours to recover, any physical fatigue from that game should not have an effect on the next game.

And I agree with that to an extent. But in this specific example I still think there is some effects just because of the 2 teams they're playing. Not saying they're going to be tired before the game. Just that their bodies could still have some lingering soreness from banging with Nova and if X attacks with their depth and speed it could catch up to Providence by the 2nd half.

[Wheelhouse]

Not saying they're going to be tired before the game. Just that their bodies could still have some lingering soreness from banging with Nova and if X attacks with their depth and speed it could catch up to Providence by the 2nd half.

Exactly. The bold above is the key. They could be affected.

[XUMIOH12]

This is biologically false. Physical fatigue actually peaks at around 48 hours after a serious workout. A number of studies done different ways all tend to lead to this result.

Concerning the bolded point, Providence's last game was originally scheduled for Saturday, three days prior, but had to be moved because of the weather. Games aren't generally scheduled like this outside of tournaments, and like I said, the rest time is equal between teams in the case of tournaments, so it's a wash. If you look at Xavier's schedule, there isn't a single gap between games less than 3 days outside of their exempt tournament and the New Year's Eve to January 2nd turnaround, both cases where the rest time was generally equal for teams. With Providence's schedule, the only time they only had just two days rest was between two buy games back in November.

Losing that extra day rest isn't a serious blow to Providence, but it does have an effect, because of how even top-shape bodies recover from physical exertion.

I know that the game was originally scheduled for Saturday. Check the Horizon League, they schedule Friday-Sunday and Thursday-Saturday games throughout most of league play. And im sure they arent the only league that does that. Conferences would never do that if it had an adverse effect on players.

[XUMIOH12]

And I agree with that to an extent. But in this specific example I still think there is some effects just because of the 2 teams they're playing. Not saying they're going to be tired before the game. Just that their bodies could still have some lingering soreness from banging with Nova and if X attacks with their depth and speed it could catch up to Providence by the 2nd half.

I dont think the 2 teams they happen to be playing have much to do with anything. I think if Providence looks a little fatigued in the 2nd half than it would have to do with the way Xavier is playing and not because of the way Nova played Sunday afternoon.

[XUMIOH12]

This is biologically false. Physical fatigue actually peaks at around 48 hours after a serious workout. A number of studies done different ways all tend to lead to this result.

Concerning the bolded point, Providence's last game was originally scheduled for Saturday, three days prior, but had to be moved because of the weather. Games aren't generally scheduled like this outside of tournaments, and like I said, the rest time is equal between teams in the case of tournaments, so it's a wash. If you look at Xavier's schedule, there isn't a single gap between games less than 3 days outside of their exempt tournament and the New Year's Eve to January 2nd turnaround, both cases where the rest time was generally equal for teams. With Providence's schedule, the only time they only had just two days rest was between two buy games back in November.

Losing that extra day rest isn't a serious blow to Providence, but it does have an effect, because of how even top-shape bodies recover from physical exertion.

I believe it is 24-48 hours depending on how intense the workout is and how often you work out like that. For these players it should be closer to the 24 hour mark.

[GoMuskies]

Plus, this is more like 55 hours than 48.

[XUMIOH12]

Exactly. The bold above is the key. They could be affected.

that is just speaking theoretically, which means nothing.

[xufan2434]

that is just speaking theoretically, which means nothing.

What do you mean it means nothing? No one ever guaranteed that it was going to play a serious role in the game. People said "we might get lucky" and "it could have an affect"

When you're previewing a game, you talk about all possible factors heading into it. I don't get why this possible advantage is such an idiotic thing to talk about

[XUMIOH12]

What are you basing this on? Personal experience? Were you a Division 1 athlete in a physically demanding sport? Are you a doctor?

when i worked with athletes as a trainer and gathered feedback from athletes in the past, it leads me to believe that the 48+ hour turnaround from a basketball game wont affect their performance tonight.

[Wheelhouse]

that is just speaking theoretically, which means nothing.

So what does you speaking adamantly about them not being physically affected mean, doctor?

[XUFan09]

I know that the game was originally scheduled for Saturday. Check the Horizon League, they schedule Friday-Sunday and Thursday-Saturday games throughout most of league play. And im sure they arent the only league that does that. Conferences would never do that if it had an adverse effect on players.
How do you define adverse effect? It's not physically bad for the players; they're not going to hurt themselves playing games like that, because it's been at least 24-48 hours like you mention below. That's what the conferences would care about.

That 24-48 hour range, though, doesn't mean that a player is at 100%. It just means that they are recovered sufficiently to go out there and play again or to do another hard workout if it's the off-season. What I'm talking about is that players are at 90% or something like that. They're not fatigued enough that they even feel the effects, but they're still on the tail-end of a full recovery. Those margins can matter in highly competitive sports. Not all the time, but not none of the time either.

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[XUMIOH12]

What do you mean it means nothing? No one ever guaranteed that it was going to play a serious role in the game. People said "we might get lucky" and "it could have an affect"

When you're previewing a game, you talk about all possible factors heading into it. I don't get why this possible advantage is such an idiotic thing to talk about

I dont think it was an idiotic thing to mention. I said that it shouldnt have an effect on the players tonight and people piled on and said that it will have an effect, so i defended the reasoning for my opinion. I don't see why that is such an idiotic thing to talk about. You dont have to agree with my opinion on the matter, just as i dont agree with the opinion that it will have an affect.

In fact, i would much rather discuss how the 1-3-1 will do against providence and the advantages and disadvantages that creates.

[Wheelhouse]

when i worked with athletes as a trainer and gathered feedback from athletes in the past, it leads me to believe that the 48+ hour turnaround from a basketball game wont affect their performance tonight.

My point (along with I think everyone else who is disagreeing with you) is not that they will be affected. It's that they could be affected. Is that speculation? Yes. That's pretty much what the word "could" infers. And I'm making my point from experience. I played a Division 1 sport for four years. Granted, it wasn't basketball and everyone's body and recovery time are different, but I'm speaking from experience.

[XUMIOH12]

So what does you speaking adamantly about them not being physically affected mean, doctor?

First off, im definitely not a doctor. but it obviously means that i think Providence will come out and be able to play just like any other game. Pretty simple to understand what i think it means.

[xubrew]

I seriously doubt fatigue will be an issue. They're acclimated to it, and they're at home. If anything, they're probably more mentally refreshed than usual because they got a day off practice. At the very least I wouldn't count on that being any sort of a significant advantage.

Like the Nova game, this is sort of a 'next level' game. Historically, we haven't won too many true road games against protected seeds, although I guess Georgetown did end up on the #4 line last year. Games like this are super hard to win. That's why the teams that are able to do it end up with #1 seeds, and even #1 seeds lose more than their share of true road games against the top fifteen. But, generally, the #1 seeds are able to pull off at least one of them. Generally speaking, more teams win in the Sweet Sixteen (eight) than win on the road against a top fifteen team.

So....let's see what we're made of!

[Wheelhouse]

I dont think it was an idiotic thing to mention. I said that it shouldnt have an effect on the players tonight and people piled on and said that it will have an effect, so i defended the reasoning for my opinion. I don't see why that is such an idiotic thing to talk about. You dont have to agree with my opinion on the matter, just as i dont agree with the opinion that it will have an affect.

In fact, i would much rather discuss how the 1-3-1 will do against providence and the advantages and disadvantages that creates.

Pretty sure not one person said it would definitely have an affect. Everyone said it could. You were the only one being adamant. Hence, here we are.

Apologies to all for derailing this thread a bit. I'm tagging out. Let's crush Providence tonight, be they tired or full of energy!

[XUMIOH12]

My point (along with I think everyone else who is disagreeing with you) is not that they will be affected. It's that they could be affected. Is that speculation? Yes. That's pretty much what the word "could" infers. And I'm making my point from experience. I played a Division 1 sport for four years. Granted, it wasn't basketball and everyone's body and recovery time are different, but I'm speaking from experience.

If you are saying they could or could not be effected, than why is it so egregious to say that I think they wont be effected by it?

[X-band '01]

Georgetown was also a better matchup for Xavier last season, although I'd point out that Georgetown wasn't exactly 4-seed caliber at the time they hosted Xavier last season.

Xavier-PC has been more or less a 50/50 matchup the past 2 seasons with each team holding serve at home. Even though Xavier came up short last year in Providence, it was the comeback up there (that forced OT) that did spur Xavier to play better away from home than they had done in the first half of last season.

[xufan2434]

I dont think it was an idiotic thing to mention. I said that it shouldnt have an effect on the players tonight and people piled on and said that it will have an effect, so i defended the reasoning for my opinion. I don't see why that is such an idiotic thing to talk about. You dont have to agree with my opinion on the matter, just as i dont agree with the opinion that it will have an affect.

In fact, i would much rather discuss how the 1-3-1 will do against providence and the advantages and disadvantages that creates.

I'm good with that. I forget where, but someone mentioned that last year the 1-3-1 was partially installed to slow down Dunn. I have no idea if that's correct or not but found it interesting. I would say I'd rather slow him down and make some other guys make shots out of the zone than get attacked on the pick and roll. But I think when it comes to a player of his caliber, he'll find ways to score no matter what. I would think we'll see a lot of 2 big men lineups from X tonight to help with the rebounding. The zone still works well with Jalen and James in and Bentil will have a field day off missed shots if it's Myles having to box him out

Haven't really seen anyone talking about it, but defense is Providence's strength right? Edmond is going to have to take care of the ball extremely well tonight so Dunn doesn't get fast break points. Also, anything from Remy at the start of the game would be huge

[XUMIOH12]

I'm good with that. I forget where, but someone mentioned that last year the 1-3-1 was partially installed to slow down Dunn. I have no idea if that's correct or not but found it interesting. I would say I'd rather slow him down and make some other guys make shots out of the zone than get attacked on the pick and roll. But I think when it comes to a player of his caliber, he'll find ways to score no matter what. I would think we'll see a lot of 2 big men lineups from X tonight to help with the rebounding. The zone still works well with Jalen and James in and Bentil will have a field day off missed shots if it's Myles having to box him out

Haven't really seen anyone talking about it, but defense is Providence's strength right? Edmond is going to have to take care of the ball extremely well tonight so Dunn doesn't get fast break points. Also, anything from Remy at the start of the game would be huge

overall i would prefer the 1-3-1 against providence and not let Dunn drive to the rack over and over, but i would be concerned with them gettinga bunch of offensive rebounds when we are in that defense. I would like to see us run man as much as possible until they beat it consistently that way. Really just have to try to eliminate Dunn or Bentil.

I would love for Remy to come out and score a few baskets again today.

[Masterofreality]

This is biologically false. Physical fatigue actually peaks at around 48 hours after a serious workout. A number of studies done different ways all tend to lead to this result.

Concerning the bolded point, Providence's last game was originally scheduled for Saturday, three days prior, but had to be moved because of the weather. Games aren't generally scheduled like this outside of tournaments, and like I said, the rest time is equal between teams in the case of tournaments, so it's a wash. If you look at Xavier's schedule, there isn't a single gap between games less than 3 days outside of their exempt tournament and the New Year's Eve to January 2nd turnaround, both cases where the rest time was generally equal for teams. With Providence's schedule, the only time they only had just two days rest was between two buy games back in November.

Losing that extra day rest isn't a serious blow to Providence, but it does have an effect, because of how even top-shape bodies recover from physical exertion.


Is it possible that Providence won't be affected by the quick turnaround? Of course, but to be adamant that they won't be affected is quite naive.

Add to this that Providence didn't fly back but took a long bus ride back. Much more taxing.
Look, I have no idea how Providence will come out tonight, but to state that there is no effect at all is total BS. Did you ever play back to back High School games? I know I wasn't as sharp day two as day one, my friend. College is longer and harder.

[LA Muskie]

Can we all agree that a 48 hr turnaround is not optimal and that it's not going to BENEFIT Providence? In other words it's at worst neutral and potentially benefits us? And then can we move on?


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[xubrew]

Can we all agree that a 48 hr turnaround is not optimal and that it's not going to BENEFIT Providence? In other words it's at worst neutral and potentially benefits us? And then can we move on?


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NO!!!!

I want to hear everyone's opinion on it!! I'd bet no one is an athletic trainer or coach. If they are, then I don't care what they say. I just want to hear from everyone else!!

[muskiefan82]

Can I simply say that I HOPE it benefits us? Is that okay? I hope Providence is dog tired, that all their shots are short because they have no legs, and we run up and down the court and they stand there watching because they are so tired. I would be fine with that so I HOPE that it does have an effect regardless of any medical research or data that might say something else.

[paulxu]

tl;dr

[American X]

I hope...that all their shots are short because they have no legs

That would make this contest considerably easier.



https://memecrunch.com/meme/4CCO8/lt-dan-no-legs/image.jpg?w=720&c=1

[D-West & PO-Z]

Sorry if this has been asked, didnt get a chance to read this whole thread but does anyone think Providence will be tired/affected by the quick turnaround from the Sunday game against Nova? I sure hope so!

[QuickNick6Xu]

Sorry if this has been asked, didnt get a chance to read this whole thread but does anyone think Providence will be tired/affected by the quick turnaround from the Sunday game against Nova? I sure hope so!

I think I've read where athletes get over being sore/fatigued after 48 hours but I could be wrong. I'm not a coach or athletic trainer.

[GoMuskies]

Sorry if this has been asked, didnt get a chance to read this whole thread but does anyone think Providence will be tired/affected by the quick turnaround from the Sunday game against Nova? I sure hope so!

Hasn't been addressed. I think we'd all like to hear your detailed analysis of the issue. Hopefully drawing on high school basketball experience. I think that would likely lead to an interesting and meaningful discussion.

[BMoreX]

This is a riveting discussion.

[xubrew]

Whether guys jump off of one leg or two is also a factor. If they only jump off of one leg, then it means the other leg is rested. I'll have to go back and watch the Providence v Nova game to see whether or not those guys were jumping off of one leg.

[muskiefan82]

Good point Brew. If they use the leg tonight that they rested against Villanova, there will be no advantage.

[xuwin]

Can we find out how much rest the refs are going to have so we can factor that into the equation?

[Muskie]

What I've learned so far from this thread? Some people like mountains. Some people like molehills.

[XMuskieFTW]

Cincinnati has an elevation of 482 feet, whereas Providence only boasts an elevation of 75 feet. I think practicing in this higher altitude is really going to give us the edge in this game. Our players' stamina will be much higher than that of a team only practicing at a measly 75 feet.

[xufan2434]

Getting back to the game...

Does anyone feel like this is a statement game for X? A lot of people are high on Providence, and they should be, after the win at Nova. Everything I've been reading seems like X is getting pushed back out of the spotlight for this conference. Win would mean so much in solidifying themselves as the 2nd best team in this conference until Feb 24

Really want to win this one and get that full swagger back heading into a very winnable stretch.

[drudy23]

We're talking about the outcome of a future event and how circumstances play in....of course it's speculative. Everything is speculative until the game ends and there's a winner.

What if Farr has hemorroids? What if Mack had 3 beers last night instead of 2? What if CJ Anderson called Mack at 3am last night to let him know he had the munchies and it impacted his sleep and made him forget to install something in the gameplan?

Of course it's speculation...saying fatigue could be a factor holds the EXACT same weight as saying Jalen having sex last night could cloud his judgment at the 11:45 mark because he was thinking about how good (or bad) it was.

[GoMuskies]

Jalen having sex last night


If he told her he had a condom, I hope he actually put it on!

[XU 87]

This is biologically false. Physical fatigue actually peaks at around 48 hours after a serious workout. A number of studies done different ways all tend to lead to this result.



It usually takes me about a week to recover from a serious workout. Therefore, I conclude that both teams will be very tired tonight.

[drudy23]

Getting back to the game...

Does anyone feel like this is a statement game for X? A lot of people are high on Providence, and they should be, after the win at Nova. Everything I've been reading seems like X is getting pushed back out of the spotlight for this conference. Win would mean so much in solidifying themselves as the 2nd best team in this conference until Feb 24

Really want to win this one and get that full swagger back heading into a very winnable stretch.

Must win for a chance at the conference title.

[chico]

We're talking about the outcome of a future event and how circumstances play in....of course it's speculative. Everything is speculative until the game ends and there's a winner.

What if Farr has hemorroids? What if Mack had 3 beers last night instead of 2? What if CJ Anderson called Mack at 3am last night to let him know he had the munchies and it impacted his sleep and made him forget to install something in the gameplan?

Of course it's speculation...saying fatigue could be a factor holds the EXACT same weight as saying Jalen having sex last night could cloud his judgment at the 11:45 mark because he was thinking about how good (or bad) it was.

Women weaken legs!

[kyxu]

Getting back to the game...

Does anyone feel like this is a statement game for X? A lot of people are high on Providence, and they should be, after the win at Nova. Everything I've been reading seems like X is getting pushed back out of the spotlight for this conference. Win would mean so much in solidifying themselves as the 2nd best team in this conference until Feb 24

Really want to win this one and get that full swagger back heading into a very winnable stretch.

I hope this is a statement game for X. Quite frankly, Xavier hasn't made many statements since conference play began. We're 0-2 against the "upper class" of the conference and don't have a single win in the Big East against a team with a winning conference record.

[Wheelhouse]

If the players all abide by Coach Bobby Finstock's three rules to live by, specifically rule #1, then they should all be well rested for tonight's game.

[MADXSTER]

FWIW when I take a healthy Humpty Dump, my butt hole takes about 48 hours to recover

[UCGRAD4X]

The real factor to consider in all of this is:

When X beats the snot out of Providence at home, will the naysayers be able to make excuses like (in a very winey voice)

"The Friars had a short turnaround..."

or

"Providence is only 75 ft. elev...."

or

"They all jumped off both feet in their last game..."

or

"They left their legs in Vietnam..."

Instead of

"The Musketeers kicked Friar butt!!!"

[xu82]

FWIW when I take a healthy Humpty Dump, my butt hole takes about 48 hours to recover
Two words:

More Fiber.

[MauriceX]

Two words:

More Fiber.

Or the Squatty Potty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q).

[xu82]

Or the Squatty Potty (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbYWhdLO43Q).

Well, yeah.... There's that too!

[Jesuit4Life]

Dee tuned in from Slovenia: https://twitter.com/DeeDavisX/status/692152694119763972

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[Xville]

Do mack don't you think maybe it's time for a timeout?

[Xville]

Kris dunn is a freaking stud.

[XfansinKy]

Wonder why Mack never calls TO before it gets outta hand like it just did. Not dogging Mack. Wondering the reason.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Wonder why Mack never calls TO before it gets outta hand like it just did. Not dogging Mack. Wondering the reason.

We are down 1, how is it out of hand? If it was 8-0 I'd agree.

[Xville]

Wonder why Mack never calls TO before it gets outta hand like it just did. Not dogging Mack. Wondering the reason.

That's the one thing that drives me crazy about him...sometimes you have to call a timeout just to quiet the crowd down

[XfansinKy]

We are down 1, how is it out of hand? If it was 8-0 I'd agree.

This is a huge run no matter what the score

[Xville]

Sumner looks like a freshman so far.

[kellernr]

Abell has turned into a completely useless player

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[Xville]

We are down 1, how is it out of hand? If it was 8-0 I'd agree.

It was an 8-0 run...that's not ok.

[Xville]

There's the what the hell are you doing pass from Myles that he does once a game.

[oddblob]

good lord.

[XfansinKy]

Calm the fuck down!

[Xville]

Mack needs to calm these guys down...rushing everything.

[kellernr]

Davis again.

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[XfansinKy]

Again! Calm the fuck down!

[oddblob]

so many turnovers. really need to get our heads in the game.

[Xville]

Geezus christ myles...aargh

[D-West & PO-Z]

It was an 8-0 run...that's not ok.

with TV TO coming

they didnt call a TO on our 7-0 run

[kellernr]

Playing like a bunch of scared little girls.

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[XfansinKy]

lucky to be down 2

[XMuskieFTW]

We are down 13-11. You all make it sound like we are down 22-4. Good lord.

[KabeX]

Some ugly assed ball out there

[Xville]

with TV TO coming

they didnt call a TO on our 7-0 run

It's different when you are the home team. Good coaches do that all the time on the road to quiet down the crowd when the home team makes a run.

[BMoreX]

This game is wild.

[boozehound]

Jalen is giving us very little right now.

[XfansinKy]

with TV TO coming

they didnt call a TO on our 7-0 run

What happens to unused first half timeouts?

[bleedXblue]

You gotta take care of the ball and get good shots on the road. Lucky to be down only 2

[Xville]

Time to calm down and run our offense...Let's go boys.

[bleedXblue]

Jalen is giving us very little right now.

Jalen who?

[oddblob]

thanks god for jp

[oddblob]

yeah jalen looking shook

[D-West & PO-Z]

We are down 13-11. You all make it sound like we are down 22-4. Good lord.

Game threads are the dumbest place during games.

[oddblob]

Jimmmy

[D-West & PO-Z]

Jimmmy

JIMMY! yes

[Xville]

Farr!!!!

[KabeX]

1-3-1 + Jimmy seems to be working

[Xville]

Farr again! Man dunn is good. Game seems to have settled down a bit. Need to be stronger with the ball though...way too many turnovers.

[D-West & PO-Z]

99% of their offense is off our careless turnovers.

[Jesuit4Life]

https://twitter.com/FS1/status/692167235939504129

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[XfansinKy]

Does anybody else just feel like were gonna win this game. I don't know why.

[Olsingledigit]

Rafters said it best - too many easy buckets for PC.

[boozehound]

James Farr is playing at an absurdly high level right now. It is amazing the way the rebounding changes when he is in the game.

[Xville]

Remy! Welcome back buddy!

[oddblob]

jimmy da god

[Xville]

Farr making it look easy!!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Farr on fire!

MVP!

[oddblob]

ok im happy for the time being :superman:

[Xville]

Man we look really good when we make our shots!

[mohr5150]

It's pretty scary what this team is capable of when they value the ball.

[muskieindent]

Remy has found his shot. That's a big plus.

[XMuskieFTW]

Remy has shown up in big games offensively this year. He may disappear for games at a time on offense but he comes up big a lot.

[XfansinKy]

Thank you 'Remy. He'll never be consistent but he can/will get hot.

[sirthought]

Man we look really good when we make our shots!

You said it! It's almost like Georgetown played the other night…hitting everything.

Pray they can stay this hot!

[XfansinKy]

We g0t a better Remy coming in. Big Q!

[muskieindent]

Stay in the zone til the can hit a shot. Reynolds needs to wake up. Good pass to.him

[KabeX]

Jalen = hands of stone. I still like the guy

[Xville]

Looking really strong now...great job boys!

[KabeX]

Jalen = hands of stone. I still like the guy
And right on queue. How's that for some reverse psych?

[muskieindent]

Dunn and Bentil doing damage but no one else .

[XfansinKy]

Bullet

[Xville]

Dunn I believe is going to be one heck of an NBA point guard

[Xville]

Alright all in all a really great last ten minutes. Keep it up boys!

[KabeX]

I'll take that. And I think I'll take another half like that as well.

[XfansinKy]

Did Austin just dribble around head down and make sure he took the last shot or am I mistaken?

[boozehound]

Nice to have an 8 point lead after a pretty sloppy first half. Need to get Sumner and Blueitt going in the second half.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'll take that half.

[boozehound]

Did Austin just dribble around head down and make sure he took the last shot or am I mistaken?

He is so terrible.

[GIMMFD]

Both teams definitely playing sloppy and loose, we just gotta tighten it up, as said before, nice to have an 8 point lead going into the half.

[KabeX]

PC ice cold. Obviously the 1-3-1 is a big part of it but I hope they don't heat up too much in 2nd half. Also, we shot exactly zero FTs in the 1st half. 2-3 zone has something to do with that but when was the last time we didn't even attempt a FT in a half?

[Xville]

He is so terrible.

Do we have a true point coming in next year? We could use a capable backup. Austin of course has time to improve but he doesn't look like the answer so far.

[muskieindent]

8 point lead -I'll take it. Need to take care of ball and eliminate their fast break points and we'll win this.

[BMoreX]

Do we have a true point coming in next year? We could use a capable backup. Austin of course has time to improve but he doesn't look like the answer so far.

Quentin Goodin

[XMuskieFTW]

Austin is above average defensively and bad on offense. We got 2 points from him on 1-2 shooting. I will take that all day.

[Xville]

Quentin Goodin

Good deal...wasent sure if he was a pg or a combo guard. Austin is OK but would like someone with a bit more skill, especially if sumner does leave early in the next couple of years.

[Olsingledigit]

Do we have a true point coming in next year? We could use a capable backup. Austin of course has time to improve but he doesn't look like the answer so far.
Good in from Louisville. 6'4" PG

[Xville]

Good in from Louisville. 6'4" PG

He's not from louisville....he's from Campbellsville which is about an hour and a half south of here.

[XfansinKy]

Do we have a true point coming in next year? We could use a capable backup. Austin of course has time to improve but he doesn't look like the answer so far.
We have a 6'3 220lb stud frome Kentucky coming in that has similar athletecism as ED just not quite as athletec. He's very strong and moves super quick for a guy his size. Like Dee, Austin would be a division 2 all conference type player.

[Xville]

Great job myles! Stop with the turnovers and we will win this game

[muskieindent]

2 offensive on Treyvon this half

[Xville]

Yikes...Sumner not having the best game so far.

[KabeX]

Won the 1st 4 min war

[GIMMFD]

Providence is shooting bad because they're fatigued. #FactsOfLife

[letskeepitreal]

Boy, we are playing a sloppy game with too many turnovers but we're up. Go X go

[XUFan09]

We have a 6'3 220lb stud frome Kentucky coming in that has similar athletecism as ED just not quite as athletec. He's very strong and moves super quick for a guy his size. Like Dee, Austin would be a division 2 all conference type player.
Lol the obligatory ignorant comment about Dee.

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[KabeX]

Would be nice to a quick 3rd PF on Benil.

[KabeX]

My goodness - a Jalen sighting!

[XMuskieFTW]

Jallllleeeennnnnnn. How long i have been waiting to praise your name.

[KabeX]

there's the 3rd on Bentil

[muskieindent]

4 of our 7 fouls are offensive

[XfansinKy]

Is it time to give up on Remy tonight?

[sirthought]

I don't like that foul on Abel. I don't really see what he did wrong. No shoulder dip.

[xudash]

4 of our 7 fouls are offensive

They are all offensive.

[Lloyd Braun]

Am I a homer or are these refs trying to keep it close?

[bleedXblue]

16-9 foul differential

[bleedXblue]

If this was the Gtown game they would call 7 straight fouls ..........

[Xville]

Like what mack said there....Providence with 13 offensive boards that's unacceptable

[Xville]

Can we have Kris dunn? I know he's on the other team but I freaking love his game.

[KabeX]

BS call.

[XfansinKy]

How long has it been since we've scored a field goal?

[Xville]

Sumner not having a good game at all. Thank goodness for Jalen tonight!

[Blue Blobs Bro]

Jp what a troll

[muskieindent]

Best Jalen has played in a while.

[KabeX]

Buckets. I like buckets. Big shot by Tre

[XfansinKy]

Macura is not a roll player but Remy is. I hate to admit it about a Ky boy but Macura is better now.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Largest lead of game, withstood the run.

[KabeX]

I like that Trevon Bueitt fellow

[XMuskieFTW]

Man is this team fun to watch.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

We need JR to play smart, with Farr sitting with 4 fouls.

[xudash]

Didn't somebody once say something about it being time to step on - in this case Providence's - throat?

[muskieindent]

Is it time to give up on Remy tonight?

He hit some big shots early when we needed it.

[sirthought]

I'm not giving up on any of this year's team. They are all trying really hard.

I like it when we have two bigs in there vs Bluiett playing the 4.

[XfansinKy]

He hit some big shots early when we needed it.

He sure did. I just noticed after a couple bad plays, Mack took him out and he hasn't been back in.

[Olsingledigit]

PC heating up

[Xville]

Time out mack!

[KabeX]

I like the good Jalen better than that Jalen

[paulxu]

That was one ugly pass. Yikes.

[XfansinKy]

Good TO coach. Settle them back it and get it down on the blocks.

[xudash]

I like the good Jalen better than that Jalen

What a head case! What on gods earth was he thinking to make that pass.

[GIMMFD]

Good TO coach. Settle them back it and get it down on the blocks.

Yup Jalen or James definitely need a touch right now.

[Xville]

Ugh...alright dogfight last 6 minutes I think.

[Roach]

I think Mack has pink eye.

[Xville]

You gotta be kidding me....geezus

[Xville]

Ugh blueitt did not need that right now.

[muskieindent]

Come on guys. 15 point lead down to 7

[oddblob]

ugh...

[Blue Blobs Bro]

Homer job

[Xville]

There u go. ...get the ball inside!

[X-Men]

Go right at Bentil now.

[Xville]

Does Jalen really need to be flexing? Come on man.

[KabeX]

Does Jalen really need to be flexing? Come on man.
Y. Get your inconsistent FT missing ass back on D

[XUFan09]

Does Jalen really need to be flexing? Come on man.
I think it was a bit of trolling, since I'm pretty sure his defender just flopped.

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[xudash]

Does Jalen really need to be flexing? Come on man.

No.

[GIMMFD]

I think it was a bit of trolling, since I'm pretty sure his defender just flopped.

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Eh regardless, it's a little too close for my liking to be taunting.

[XfansinKy]

Dunn's not hurt. I want our guys to beat him too. Stay out Dunn.

[X-Men]

Does Jalen really need to be flexing? Come on man.

Exactly. Showing up the opposing student section isn't the best way to quiet the crowd.

[mohr5150]

Reynolds is the most frustrating player ever at X. Unlimited talent combined with complete headcase.

[xavierj]

Do the refs need to call a foul every time xavier breathes on someone? I see Jalen is the new whipping boy. He has played well.

[Xville]

Do the refs need to call a foul every time xavier breathes on someone? I see Jalen is the new whipping boy. He has played well.

He has played well, there just isn't any need for flexing...it's dumb

[XfansinKy]

jalen needs to touch the ball at least once every time down the floor.

[KabeX]

Wow we need a bucket now

[Xville]

Tre!!!! Huge freaking board!

[oddblob]

jp!!!

[Xville]

Jp!!!!!!!!

[oddblob]

man oh man

[Xville]

Huge balls there jp! Not the best idea but it worked out haha

[XfansinKy]

Macura don't need no stinking time out

[KabeX]

Tu Holloway honorary Steel Balls award goes to JP Freakin Macura

[Roach]

Jp!!!!!!!!

That ... was clutch.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Bad FT shooting in a tight game!

[sirthought]

Woot woot!

This is a huge win!

I'm really impressed with this game. Despite all the turnovers they've kept their poise to execute on both ends of the floor.

[Xville]

Whew! Huge win! Great to see Jalen back...hopefully he can be more consistent from here on out. Thank goodness for jp making that three..that was a no no no no.....yes! Kind of a shot.

Lastly, that was one weird freaking game.

[paulxu]

Thank you Muskies!

[KabeX]

Time for a VICTORY BEER!

[oddblob]

sloppy at times but a great win. jp, again, is my dude.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Lets freaking go!!!!!

[letskeepitreal]

Boy what an ugly end but a Top Ten road win. No one is going to remember Providence on short rest and X with 20 TO's. A win is a win. Just win baby!

[GIMMFD]

The win was huge, road win against a top 10 team, big time performance, and we saw it out when we needed to.

[coasterville95]

First road win against a top 10 in 20 years?

The team continues to impress.

[muskieindent]

Little too close for comfort but that's a huge win.Macura with biggest shot of his career

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Myles FT iced the game. Good win vs a top 10 team. Should do wonders for our rpi.

[D-West & PO-Z]

20 secs left on shot clock when JP hit that 3!!! HAHAHAHA