XAVIER vs SETON HALL

[MADXSTER]

XAVIERHOOPS MEET UP AT DANA'S AT NOON

1916 vs 1917

#5 Xavier University Musketeers (16-2) RPI 3, SOS 15, KENPOM 8
W Miami(OH) 81-72
W Missouri 78-66
W Michigan 86-70
W NKU 78-66
W Alabama 64-45
W USC 87-77
W _ayton 90-61
W Western Kentucky 95-64
W Wright State 90-55
W Cincinnati 65-55
W Auburn 85-61
W Wake Forest 78-70
L Villanova 95-64
W Butler 88-69
W St Johns 74-66
W DePaul 84-64
W Marquette 74-66
L Georgetown 81-72

vs Seton Hall Pirates (13-4) RPI 41, SOS 92, KENPOM 43

W Dartmouth
W Wagner
L Long Beach St
W Bradley
W Mississippi
W Georgia
L George Washington
W Rutgers
W Troy
W Saint Peter's
W Witchita State
W South Florida
W Marquette
W DePaul
L Villanova
L Creighton
W Providence
1/20 Villanova ??


Location: Cintas
Saturday Jan 23th 2016 at 2:00pm EST
Television: FSN
Radio: 700WLW-AM with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).

[XU3232]

Kinda funny how we keep playing teams that are just coming off playing against Villanova... pretty sure this will be the 4th or 5th time so far.

[X Factor]

Seton Hall's schedule is incorrect. They lost to Villanova and won at Providence.

[Jesuit4Life]

https://twitter.com/XavierGameday/status/689660008355741697

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[RoseyMuskie]

Let's hope Seton Hall doesn't encounter travel issues.

[Xville]

This game scares the hell out of me. Can't afford to lose this one.

[xu82]

This game scares the hell out of me. Can't afford to lose this one.

They all scare me....

[X-band '01]

Let's hope Seton Hall doesn't encounter travel issues.

They shouldn't have too much trouble getting in; getting home will be a problem for them.

[xufan2434]

This game scares the hell out of me. Can't afford to lose this one.

Going to find out real quick if this team has what it takes. Final 4 teams bounce back and make a statement with this win on Saturday. Coming off a loss and a trip to Providence on the horizon. I think Mack will have his guys ready. Going to be a dogfight. Seton Hall has talent as shown last night

[XUMIOH12]

i think the zone will give Seton Hall some trouble on Saturday. They dont have any truly good shooters; and really only Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington actually take 3 pointers.

[XfansinKy]

Coach Mack will have our boys razor sharp focused. SH will come in discouraged, tired, frustrated, and susceptible to a big let down. Coach and X come in pissed but focused, and blow out SH. Jalen gets a double double and his resurgence begins. They don't have anybody to guard Sumner imo and also, Myles is ready for a 6-10 day from three.

[Masterofreality]

i think the zone will give Seton Hall some trouble on Saturday. They dont have any truly good shooters; and really only Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington actually take 3 pointers.

Actually, Desi Rodriguez can be a HUGE problem against the zone. He averages 41% from 3 and he absolutely LOVES the corner jumper, which kills a 1-3-1. If Whitehead never gives him the ball, then there's no problem, but you can't overlook Desi.

[XUMIOH12]

Actually, Desi Rodriguez can be a HUGE problem against the zone. He averages 41% from 3 and he absolutely LOVES the corner jumper, which kills a 1-3-1. If Whitehead never gives him the ball, then there's no problem, but you can't overlook Desi.

Maybe, he attempts less than three 3s per game. Prior to last night's game he was 4/16 from 3 over the past month. At 20/49 this year he is obviously improved from his 1/12 all of last year. But i still wouldnt consider him a great shooter and would be completely fine if their offense consisted of him launching 3s all game.

[Xville]

Maybe, he attempts less than three 3s per game. Prior to last night's game he was 4/16 from 3 over the past month. At 20/49 this year he is obviously improved from his 1/12 all of last year. But i still wouldnt consider him a great shooter and would be completely fine if their offense consisted of him launching 3s all game.

I wouldn't...i'm tired of our team giving wide open looks to everyone. I don't care if they "aren't good shooters" or not, stop giving teams wide open 3 looks. These are high Major Division 1 players, get a freaking hand in their face and play better d

[UCGRAD4X]

i think the zone will give Seton Hall some trouble on Saturday. They dont have any truly good shooters; and really only Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington actually take 3 pointers.

I didn't think G'town had any shooters either.

[XUMIOH12]

I wouldn't...i'm tired of our team giving wide open looks to everyone. I don't care if they "aren't good shooters" or not, stop giving teams wide open 3 looks. These are high Major Division 1 players, get a freaking hand in their face and play better d

I was saying that assuming that they were paying more attention to him in the zone and he wasnt getting a wide open shot 50 times. He is more of a slasher anyways, just like the rest of their perimeter players. they dont shoot many 3s as a team and the zone will take them out of their style of play and (hopefully) minimize what they do best.

[XUMIOH12]

I didn't think G'town had any shooters either.

Georgetown is a much better shooting team than Seton Hall. They have more players that can take and make 3s. Gtown shoots almost 37% for the season while Seton Hall is in the 33% range.

[XUMIOH12]

Georgetown is a much better shooting team than Seton Hall. They have more players that can take and make 3s. Gtown shoots almost 37% for the season while Seton Hall is in the 33% range.

for reference, Xavier shoots 36.4% on 3s for the season.

[XfansinKy]

I may not be eligible to start a thread because I cannot find "start new thread" on my profile or home page. I kinda chose this thread at random in case I missed it and someone can tell me where it's at. I got some pretty cool info from a kid who's played with and against Quentin Gooding here in Ky. His mom and uncle are actually friends of mine. Small world in a state without a huge population. Anyways, if I can start a thread, I would appreciate it if someone told me how. Pretty neat info I would like to share with the X nation here on XH.

[X-man]

Hit "Post new thread".

[XfansinKy]

Hit "Post new thread".

Sad to say but...Can't find it.

[Michigan Muskie]

Sad to say but...Can't find it.

Try this: Right above the "Reply to Thread" button you see near the top of this page you are viewing right now, you should see a chain of links that says Forum > Xavier Men's Hoops > Men's Basketball > Xavier vs. Seton Hall. Click on the "Men's Basketball" link to take you to the front page of this subforum. Then you should see the "Post New Thread" button near the top of the screen. If not, then you might have some kind of restricted account.

[fellahmuskie]

Sad to say but...Can't find it.

Start at the home page, click on the forum "Men's Basketball". "Post new thread" should be at the top of the page.

[UCGRAD4X]

Have to be in the specific forum in which you want to post a new thread before you can post a new thread.

[xukeith]

I used to be able to post new threads but that has disappeared.

[paulxu]

Here's a Quentin Goodin thread. Post the info there:

http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?29966-Quentin-Goodin-PG

[THRILLHOUSE]

Sad to say but...Can't find it.

http://i.imgur.com/NnkYRu1.jpg

Maybe try a different web browser if that post new thread button isn't appearing?

[BMoreX]

Parents and brother were supposed to go to this game and meet my middle brother (senior at X) but their flight was cancelled.

[XfansinKy]

I put it up under PAULXU's link. I don't have the same page that Thrillhouse is showing. No idea why

[Jesuit4Life]

Here are the RSN affiliates for the game:
Cox RI-Ocean State Networks
FOX Sports Arizona
FOX Sports Detroit
FOX Sports Florida
FOX Sports Midwest
FOX Sports North PLUS
FOX Sports Ohio
FOX Sports Southeast
FOX Sports Southwest
FOX Sports West
FOX Sports Wisconsin
MASN2
WMEU / WCIU-DT2 - Chicago
YES

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[XfansinKy]

Anybody know what channel? I don't get the channel. Any live stream links would be appreciated.

[bjf123]

At least the flame thrower worked on the X side this game.


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[Jesuit4Life]

Anybody know what channel? I don't get the channel. Any live stream links would be appreciated.
Sorry, not on a computer right now. Make sure you have AdBlock installed.

http://wiz1.net/channel6
http://zunox.hk/zxtv6.html
FirstRow should have it too.

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[XfansinKy]

Sorry, not on a computer right now. Make sure you have AdBlock installed.

http://wiz1.net/channel6
http://zunox.hk/zxtv6.html
FirstRow should have it too.


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Thank you friend. I appreciate it

[Wheelhouse]

Seton Hall is killing us on the boards.

[letskeepitreal]

This is going to be a game. Gotta pick up the rebounding as we're getting killed on the boards

[letskeepitreal]

Weird. The Austin O'mara combo seems to be working

[Wheelhouse]

The 1-3-1 does not seem to be conducive to rebounding.

[kellernr]

Sumner playing like a freshman again. Also O'Mara and Farr out playing Reynolds again too

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[Muncie]

Is he a saying eggs a vier ? Geesh

[XMuskieFTW]

Nice to see JP knock down that 3. He is playing well.

[Wheelhouse]

Good God, these refs are calling an insane number of fouls on both teams.

[Wheelhouse]

It's crazy that Reynolds has been a complete non-factor for the last game and a half. Let's hope he comes out and asserts himself in the second half.

[kellernr]

It's crazy that Reynolds has been a complete non-factor for the last game and a half. Let's hope he comes out and asserts himself in the second half.
Jalen hasn't been a factor for most of the season

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[bjf123]

What the heck were the refs looking at at the end of the half?


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[Wheelhouse]

How was that foul not before the buzzer? I assume the rule is when the foul occurs not when the ref calls it. If so, that' a bad call. These refs have been equally terrible for both teams.

[Wheelhouse]

Jalen hasn't been a factor for most of the season

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I think that's a stretch. He's had some very good moments this season but I agree he's been "off" for the last several games.

[Muskeagle]

The rule HAS to be when the call is made (which is TOTAL bullshit). Otherwise, there is NO explanation for not granting free throws.

[Wheelhouse]

The rule HAS to be when the call is made (which is TOTAL bullshit). Otherwise, there is NO explanation for not granting free throws.

If so that is one of the dumbest rules in sports.

[XMuskieFTW]

The rule HAS to be when the call is made (which is TOTAL bullshit). Otherwise, there is NO explanation for not granting free throws.

That is the rule. A very dumb rule.

[bigdiggins]

If I won the powerball I would donate millions to X with the stipulation that they never again invite Viking magic to perform. Too bad they didn't get snowed in.

[xumadman]

These two commentators are the worst.

[Wheelhouse]

I also expect Bluiett to rain points on SH in the 2nd half. He's basically done that in almost every game in which he's had a bad 1st half.

[letskeepitreal]

After a good 2nd half start, letting them back in the game. Big game James is bringing it

[mistabeecee41]

Ed just handed them 6 points.

[XMuskieFTW]

Sumner playing very very sloppy. Needs to be better.

[XfansinKy]

Just keep feeding the bigs and we will sneak out a W. Myles needs to make 2 or 3 in a row.

[Wheelhouse]

Nice looking dunks aside, Sumner is really struggling.

[Wheelhouse]

That should have been a no call or a foul on Farr. We'll take it.

[Wheelhouse]

1-3-1 has looked a lot better this half.

[kellernr]

This team goes to compete shit when Reynolds and Able are in the game.

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[kellernr]

Able to the bench and we start scoring again

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[GIMMFD]

I also expect Bluiett to rain points on SH in the 2nd half. He's basically done that in almost every game in which he's had a bad 1st half.

You sir, were quite correct.

[paulxu]

That was the shortest one second defensive set on the Macura foul in history.

edit: actually the guy never got set

[Blue Blooded-05]

Whitehead is shooting 4-17... ouch

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Farr is bringing it.......20 pts, 11 rebounds so far.

[LA Muskie]

Farr may be the best big in the Big East. Think about that for a moment.


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[GIMMFD]

Farr may be the best big in the Big East. Think about that for a moment.


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$40 nobody would have ever imagined that when he stepped foot on campus.

[Wheelhouse]

Farr may be the best big in the Big East. Think about that for a moment.


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Can you imagine if someone told you that during his sophomore year? Hoo boy.

[X Factor]

Farr has turned into a beast this year. It's great to see. O'Mara is improving quickly this year as a sophomore.

[Xville]

Seton hall is really talented...just still young and does stupid things. Next year they may be top 3 in the Big east.

Anyways, great to see our boys bounce back today. Farr what a freaking game!

[Xville]

Farr this year is what I thought Reynolds would be.

[Wheelhouse]

Seton hall is really talented...just still young and does stupid things. Next year they may be top 3 in the Big east.

Anyways, great to see our boys bounce back today. Farr what a freaking game!

I totally agree.

[Blue Blooded-05]

Farr may be the best big in the Big East. Think about that for a moment.


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I was hoping for a Jason Love-esque year out of James. I think he's surpassed that and he's rapidly closing on an an Anthony Myles-esque year

[X Factor]

Macura gets tied up with other players a lot. Seems like he's always tangled up with someone else's arms.

[Wheelhouse]

Macura gets tied up with other players a lot. Seems like he's always tangled up with someone else's arms.

I know. It's a delight when he's on your team though, isn't it? Imagine if he wasn't!

[GIMMFD]

Macura gets tied up with other players a lot. Seems like he's always tangled up with someone else's arms.

Lmao that shot at the end had me rolling laughing.

[letskeepitreal]

Good game. Seton Hall will be very good next year. Great game by big game James, O'mara, Macura and Bluiet had his normal quiet studly game

[XUFan09]

Lmao that shot at the end had me rolling laughing.
I told my wife what he was going to do a couple seconds before he did it. It looked like he even looked to Mack to get the okay lol.

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[Lloyd Braun]

That shot led to the backdoor cover by SH

[letskeepitreal]

Yeah that must have pissed of people who thought X would cover

[XfansinKy]

Farr is an NBA prospect at least.

[xukeith]

Farr is an NBA prospect at least.

No way. He is a great post college player. Cannot play in NBA.
He is Jason Love with more weapons.

[scoscox]

I don't know about "prospect", but he could definitely find his way on to a team. Really could have blown Seton Hall out today. Played pretty sloppy at times, but good win. Seton Hall is a good team.

[GoMuskies]

Yeah that must have pissed of people who thought X would cover
I had X on the money line. I'd have wanted to strangle Macura if I'd have given the 8.5.

[xavierj]

I had X on the money line. I'd have wanted to strangle Macura if I'd have given the 8.5.

Well he could have let shot clock expire... They were not trying to score. Game was over.

[GoMuskies]

Well he could have let shot clock expire... They were not trying to score. Game was over.

Yeah, or he could have shot with one second on the shot clock instead of 10 so that Seton Hall didn't have time to score.

[paulxu]

I thought he was at the end of the shot clock, so got the OK to shoot before the shot clock expired.
Maybe not.

[XUFan09]

I thought he was at the end of the shot clock, so got the OK to shoot before the shot clock expired.
Maybe not.
There was something like 3 seconds left on the shot clock.

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[paulxu]

My bad. Guess what I really thought was that the shot clock was going to expire before the game clock.
I actually wondered if we would take a shot.
Then I thought...wait a sec...that would look stupid to just hand them the ball...so I was expecting a shot.

[KabeX]

My bad. Guess what I really thought was that the shot clock was going to expire before the game clock.
I actually wondered if we would take a shot.
Then I thought...wait a sec...that would look stupid to just hand them the ball...so I was expecting a shot.
I think that's right. The shot clock was expiring before the game clock. Otherwise I'm sure he would have dribbled it out.

[UCGRAD4X]

At least the flame thrower worked on the X side this game.


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Sure, Farr had a great night, but this was the key to the game, for sure.

[Caveat]

Farr is an NBA prospect at least.

D-League guy who might catch the back of a roster if things work right, IMO.

Farr will make good money playing in Europe, though.

[XUFan09]

I think that's right. The shot clock was expiring before the game clock. Otherwise I'm sure he would have dribbled it out.
Yeah, there was about 4 seconds of difference.

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[XfansinKy]

No way. He is a great post college player. Cannot play in NBA.
He is Jason Love with more weapons.

Prospect.

[STL_XUfan]

I had X on the money line. I'd have wanted to strangle Macura if I'd have given the 8.5.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjbPi00k_ME

[XUMIOH12]

i think the zone will give Seton Hall some trouble on Saturday. They dont have any truly good shooters; and really only Whitehead, Rodriguez and Carrington actually take 3 pointers.

6-27 from 3 and only 2 players made a 3 pointer for Seton Hall....

[XUGRAD80]

Don't want to be a downer, but........anyone else a little concerned about how the defense has been the last couple of games?

[XUMIOH12]

Don't want to be a downer, but........anyone else a little concerned about how the defense has been the last couple of games?

no I would be more concerned with the amount of offensive rebounds given up the last two games.

[XUMIOH12]

no I would be more concerned with the amount of offensive rebounds given up the last two games.

gave up 17 today

[XUGRAD80]

no I would be more concerned with the amount of offensive rebounds given up the last two games.

Isn't "defensive" rebounding part of playing "defense"? But I do share your concern in that area. Even though X did end up winning the board battle for the game, they certainly are not dominating like they were earlier in the year. Seems to me that they are playing the 1-3-1 zone more and more as the year goes on, and zones do tend to be harder to rebound out of. Perhaps those two things are related?

[Cheesehead]

Don't want to be a downer, but........anyone else a little concerned about how the defense has been the last couple of games?

Mack alluded to this in post game comments. He said he was not worried about the offense. I think it will be a point of emphasis moving forward.

[XUMIOH12]

Isn't "defensive" rebounding part of playing "defense"? But I do share your concern in that area. Even though X did end up winning the board battle for the game, they certainly are not dominating like they were earlier in the year.

while they may go hand in hand, I think most people consider them different categories. defensive rebounding completes your defensive possession and isn't reflective of the defense played during that possession. You could play lock down defense and force a half court shot with 1 second on the shot clock (that would be considered great defense) and then give up an offensive rebound on that shot (is separate from the defensive effort).

[XUMIOH12]

Mack alluded to this in post game comments. He said he was not worried about the offense. I think it will be a point of emphasis moving forward.

offense has never been much of an issue under mack, especially this year, defense is where we can separate ourselves from other good teams.

[Xville]

It seems this team has reverted back to the defenses of the last few years and that's a very concerning thing. I don't know what is going on but we are giving up a crap ton of wide open shots. Nova is going to kill us again if we don't start defending again.

[XfansinKy]

That 1-3-1 works but has a tradeoff against teams with big frontline guys. Most teams try to spread it out against it and X rebounds like crazy. SH packed it in instead. No big deal. That's part of a 1-3-1.

[UCGRAD4X]

offense has never been much of an issue under mack, especially this year, defense is where we can separate ourselves from other good teams.

This has traditionally been Xavier's MO for as long as I can remember (which seems to be less and less as time goes by)


It seems this team has reverted back to the defenses of the last few years and that's a very concerning thing. I don't know what is going on but we are giving up a crap ton of wide open shots. Nova is going to kill us again if we don't start defending again.

As will any team that has great shooters or good shooters that have a great night - as our two (only two) losses attest.


That 1-3-1 works but has a tradeoff against teams with big frontline guys. Most teams try to spread it out against it and X rebounds like crazy. SH packed it in instead. No big deal. That's part of a 1-3-1.

zone makes it hard to pickout a guy to box out

The 'freedom of movement' rules really put Xavier in a bind sometimes. Have to play zone more (which as mentioned has not traditionally been in our DNA) but has been working for the most part. Cudos to Mack and co. for getting players in there. Its still pretty new to them and I think they will get better at playing the 1-3-1 in particular.

Now they can switch back and forth between defenses as needed which will further confuse teams (hopefully, not ours).

[Masterofreality]

Actually, Desi Rodriguez can be a HUGE problem against the zone. He averages 41% from 3 and he absolutely LOVES the corner jumper, which kills a 1-3-1. If Whitehead never gives him the ball, then there's no problem, but you can't overlook Desi.


Don't want to be a downer, but........anyone else a little concerned about how the defense has been the last couple of games?

No. I'm not concerned about the defense.

Georgetown just had a game where they hit shots. Unfortunately for us, it was against us....and not against, say UCon, where they reverted to 29% three point shooting and Tre Campbell reverted to 1-5 from 3.
As I said above, and was tipped off to by EastCoastXMan- who is a Seton Hall season tix holder- Rodriguez was going to be a problem for us in the 1-3-1, because he lives on the baseline and corners...and he feasted yesterday with a plus 20 point game. Other than him, and our questionable rebounding (besides Big Game James) I thought our defense was OK yesterday. When we did play man- which wasn't much because Seton Hall is not a very good outside shooting team- Remy did a pretty good job on Whitehead and he really didn't go off for a lot, despite getting 17.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, Whitehead was pretty inefficient getting those 17.

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[GoMuskies]

Whitehead is a waste of talent.

[XfansinKy]

This has traditionally been Xavier's MO for as long as I can remember (which seems to be less and less as time goes by)



As will any team that has great shooters or good shooters that have a great night - as our two (only two) losses attest.



zone makes it hard to pickout a guy to box out

The 'freedom of movement' rules really put Xavier in a bind sometimes. Have to play zone more (which as mentioned has not traditionally been in our DNA) but has been working for the most part. Cudos to Mack and co. for getting players in there. Its still pretty new to them and I think they will get better at playing the 1-3-1 in particular.

Now they can switch back and forth between defenses as needed which will further confuse teams (hopefully, not ours).

Yea I think it was early last year that Mack was frustrated that the guys kept getting mixed up on defensive sets. He didn't throw them under the bus so he kinda blamed himself for maybe throwing too much at them. Now though, with all the subs, it looks like the whole team is taking pride in studying their plays, film, and communicating after baskets.

[paulxu]

Gates must be a quick learner...or is that gold jersey just for effort.

[XUFan09]

Gates must be a quick learner...or is that gold jersey just for effort.

Both.