XAVIER vs GEORGETOWN

[LadyMuskie]

Georgetown had a great game tonight. It seemed like they couldn't miss. They were hitting contested shots and uncontested shots from the rafters. It was nuts.

We had spurts where we looked really good, but at other times, we looked terrible. Sumner played like a freshman. Farr couldn't have hit the ocean while standing on the beach. Passes between players were sloppy. Set plays were off. It was just a weird night.

The refs were pretty bad. At any given time any number of things could have been a foul or not been a foul. Mack was losing his shit with the refs, and so were the fans. But, ultimately, we lost the game ourselves and have no one to blame but ourselves.

The crowd, though, was awesome! The students brought it and got the rest of the crowd into it. No way anyone can complain about the crowd tonight.

[LA Muskie]

Tre Campbell had 21 points. His next highest this season was 12, which was the only other game he had in double figures. He's been shut out five times this season. This was our Big Delhi of this season. It was a perfect storm of bad play by several guys on X with a miraculous game for one of their guys and some horrible, horrible refs. I predict a vastly different game at Georgetown.

I will give him credit for hitting the wide open shots we gave him.


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[drudy23]

I actually blame the pregame stuff, as only one fire tower was working tonight. X was cursed from the get go.

Ha - we said the same thing...Jalen didn't win the jump ball (he didn't jump), and our fire was out in pregame.

[LadyMuskie]

In the second half, I looked up with about 15 minutes remaining and GT had 6 fouls to our 1...I thought "that's a good way for us to get back in this a we'll be shooting free throws for the rest of the half".

After that, it was a twilight zone of calls where about 10 calls in a row went their way. It was really weird.

Yeah, the refs literally evened it up on one trip down the floor. We went from 1 foul to 6 on what could be called one possession. I've never seen anything like it.

[drudy23]

The crowd, though, was awesome! The students brought it and got the rest of the crowd into it. No way anyone can complain about the crowd tonight.

Tell that to the guy yelling at everyone for sitting down...it was kind of funny actually.

I actually thought the crowd wasn't that great (no complaining, I usually just yell when there's a sweet dunk).

[GoMuskies]

Georgetown destroyed our 1-3-1. I thought we played that too much after it became clear they were going to torch it. Granted, they ran a layup line against the man to man.

[drudy23]

Georgetown destroyed our 1-3-1. I thought we played that too much after it became clear they were going to torch it. Granted, they ran a layup line against the man to man.

It helps when DSR makes 23 footers.

[GoMuskies]

Was someone surprised DSR was hitting open jumpers?

[LadyMuskie]

Tell that to the guy yelling at everyone for sitting down...it was kind of funny actually.

I actually thought the crowd wasn't that great (no complaining, I usually just yell when there's a sweet dunk).

We sit down near the court and it was loud down there. Not the whole game, but for a lot of it. And I lost my voice cheering for the team and making certain people feel bad about their life choices - refs, opposing team coaches, opposing team players. All down positively in accordance with the rules, of course.

Oh, and Pacman Jones was there tonight. I know that will make some of you SO happy!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Georgetown destroyed our 1-3-1. I thought we played that too much after it became clear they were going to torch it. Granted, they ran a layup line against the man to man.

Yeah I questioned in the thread why we were staying in it, we then switched to man to man and could not stay in front of DSR, it was clear we were in for a lose/lose tonight.

[LadyMuskie]

Was someone surprised DSR was hitting open jumpers?

He hit everything. Several times he made his shot with a hand and/or body in his face. I think we could've asked for him to play in a blindfold and he still would've hit them. They were just going in for the Hoyas tonight.

[Cheesehead]

We sit down near the court and it was loud down there. Not the whole game, but for a lot of it. And I lost my voice cheering for the team and making certain people feel bad about their life choices - refs, opposing team coaches, opposing team players. All down positively in accordance with the rules, of course.

Oh, and Pacman Jones was there tonight. I know that will make some of you SO happy!

I saw Pac Man too along with some reds players.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I saw Pac Man too along with some reds players.

The Reds have players left on their team that people recognize?

[LadyMuskie]

I saw Pac Man too along with some reds players.

And Johnny Wolf's uncle. And Mo McAfee, Keith Jackson and can't remember the other player.

[xeus]

And Johnny Wolf's uncle. And Mo McAfee, Keith Jackson and can't remember the other player.

Erik Edwards

[LadyMuskie]

Erik Edwards

Yes! Thank you.

[xeus]

The Reds have players left on their team that people recognize?

Billy Hamilton was there

[drudy23]

I saw Pac Man too along with some reds players.

Billy was with Pac

[kmcrawfo]

1922

Pac was a Really nice guy. He had if I recall 3k on xavier by the way at -13. The guy was going crazy cheering for us. He and Billy let one of my friends kids come down and sit between them for the whole 2nd half. Made the kids day. Tough loss, but we'll bounce back on Saturday.

[kmcrawfo]

One thing that was funny, is that the floor in seat service staff refused to bring Billy and pac drinks during the game because they were in comp seats. I had to put their orders on our seat tab to get them taken care of. It was pretty funny to see the waitress tell him no.

[Strange Brew]

In the second half, I looked up with about 15 minutes remaining and GT had 6 fouls to our 1...I thought "that's a good way for us to get back in this a we'll be shooting free throws for the rest of the half".

After that, it was a twilight zone of calls where about 10 calls in a row went their way. It was really weird.

Momentum killer by a cacophony of well, interesting whistles for sure. Not saying Goontown wouldn't have won but the tweets didn't help.

[markchal]

Well the top 5, 1-seed talk was fun while it lasted. Frustrating loss, and not one you can have if you expect to challenge for the BE title. We're not there yet. I could see another three losses and a 3-seed though, and that's better than I expected this year.

[markchal]

Also, screw Gtown for having that talent but completely crapping the bed in noncon. Basically the exact opposite of Butler and Providence.

[blobfan]

Georgetown had a great game tonight. It seemed like they couldn't miss. They were hitting contested shots and uncontested shots from the rafters. It was nuts.

We had spurts where we looked really good, but at other times, we looked terrible. Sumner played like a freshman. Farr couldn't have hit the ocean while standing on the beach. Passes between players were sloppy. Set plays were off. It was just a weird night.

The refs were pretty bad. At any given time any number of things could have been a foul or not been a foul. Mack was losing his shit with the refs, and so were the fans. But, ultimately, we lost the game ourselves and have no one to blame but ourselves.

The crowd, though, was awesome! The students brought it and got the rest of the crowd into it. No way anyone can complain about the crowd tonight.

I wish I could say the same. Overall the crowd was good but one jerk ruined the whole night for me. I'm truly ashamed by how I saw an X supporter behave towards the Georgetown bench. Really ashamed.

[Strange Brew]

Georgetown had a great game tonight. It seemed like they couldn't miss. They were hitting contested shots and uncontested shots from the rafters. It was nuts.

We had spurts where we looked really good, but at other times, we looked terrible. Sumner played like a freshman. Farr couldn't have hit the ocean while standing on the beach. Passes between players were sloppy. Set plays were off. It was just a weird night.

The refs were pretty bad. At any given time any number of things could have been a foul or not been a foul. Mack was losing his shit with the refs, and so were the fans. But, ultimately, we lost the game ourselves and have no one to blame but ourselves.

The crowd, though, was awesome! The students brought it and got the rest of the crowd into it. No way anyone can complain about the crowd tonight.

Excellent take on the game

[XUOWNSUC]

1922

Pac was a Really nice guy. He had if I recall 3k on xavier by the way at -13. The guy was going crazy cheering for us. He and Billy let one of my friends kids come down and sit between them for the whole 2nd half. Made the kids day. Tough loss, but we'll bounce back on Saturday.

Who was the dude in the white camouflage outfit with gold accents that was with Adam?

[Caveat]

Well the top 5, 1-seed talk was fun while it lasted. Frustrating loss, and not one you can have if you expect to challenge for the BE title. We're not there yet. I could see another three losses and a 3-seed though, and that's better than I expected this year.

Yup. Feels like whenever Xavier is ready to take the next step (not just being ranked as a top-10 team but holding that ranking for a few weeks), they end up stambling backwards a bit.

#1 seed is probably out of the question now unless they run the table. I think they can still be a 1 with 3 losses, but they'd need to either win the BE or have the third loss be late in NYC. More realistic to expect a few more performances like this and settling somewhere around a 3/4 now, IMO.

[bleedXblue]

Yup. Feels like whenever Xavier is ready to take the next step (not just being ranked as a top-10 team but holding that ranking for a few weeks), they end up stambling backwards a bit.

#1 seed is probably out of the question now unless they run the table. I think they can still be a 1 with 3 losses, but they'd need to either win the BE or have the third loss be late in NYC. More realistic to expect a few more performances like this and settling somewhere around a 3/4 now, IMO.

Its January 20th? We've been ranked in the top 10 for the last 2 weeks and top 25 for over a month. Relax. Lots of basketball to play.......for everyone.

[XUGRAD80]

Relax....it was GT's night. They hit some extremely long 3 point shots and X didn't. X guarded well for 22-23 seconds of each possession, but didn't finish out enough of them to get the stops they needed. Refs were equally bad for both teams, so don't blame them. I can easily think of 4-5 possessions where X had a good look, off a possible assist, and fumbled the ball. Forget about it and go get the next one. There are still a ton of games left to play.

[XUMIOH12]

just an overall mediocre night for xavier and a great game by georgetown. As long as they dont go on a losing streak, than this game wont mean much in the grand scheme of the season.

[Drew's Crew]

Yup. Feels like whenever Xavier is ready to take the next step (not just being ranked as a top-10 team but holding that ranking for a few weeks), they end up stambling backwards a bit.

#1 seed is probably out of the question now unless they run the table. I think they can still be a 1 with 3 losses, but they'd need to either win the BE or have the third loss be late in NYC. More realistic to expect a few more performances like this and settling somewhere around a 3/4 now, IMO.

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.

Do you think MD, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Much St. fans have resigned to the 3/4 line in January after their first bad home game of the season? I don't see why we would. Unless you just don't want to be optimistic.

The selection committee doesn't give a shit about the AP poll. If all things were equal, just based on resume, we were probably a top 3 team in the selection committee's criteria entering last night. We are still in the conversation, even after this loss - especially if Gtown goes on a run, which I think is definitely possible.

[XUMIOH12]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.

Do you think MD, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Much St. fans have resigned to the 3/4 line in January after their first bad home game of the season? I don't see why we would. Unless you just don't want to be optimistic.

The selection committee doesn't give a shit about the AP poll. If all things were equal, just based on resume, we were probably a top 3 team in the selection committee's criteria entering last night. We are still in the conversation, even after this loss - especially if Gtown goes on a run, which I think is definitely possible.

Thank you Drews Crew. I was going to say something similar but didnt feel like typing that much ha. As of now we are probably still a 2 seed. At season's end, I would be surprised if we get worse than a 3 seed.

[jhelmes37]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.

Do you think MD, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Much St. fans have resigned to the 3/4 line in January after their first bad home game of the season? I don't see why we would. Unless you just don't want to be optimistic.

The selection committee doesn't give a shit about the AP poll. If all things were equal, just based on resume, we were probably a top 3 team in the selection committee's criteria entering last night. We are still in the conversation, even after this loss - especially if Gtown goes on a run, which I think is definitely possible.

Thank God someone looks at things rationally.

3-4 losses will be a 2 seed, probably. 3 losses could be a 1, depending on what happens and if we can squeeze out a 'Nova win.

It was our first actual loss I was upset by. Nova didn't count, given the circumstances.

One blurb and one unfortunate accident a third of the way through the conference.

Relax, all.

[Lamont Sanford]

Was it just me or did it seem the refs last night were real chummy with the Georgetown players and coaches? They seemed to always have an arm around their waists during stoppages in play yucking it up. The two white refs last night were flat out awful. Of course it didn't help that our offense took the night off too last night.

What's going on with Remy? Dude has been a non-factor in several games lately. I'd rather have Kaiser Gates in there if his heads not in it.

[Caveat]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.

Do you think MD, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Much St. fans have resigned to the 3/4 line in January after their first bad home game of the season? I don't see why we would. Unless you just don't want to be optimistic.

The selection committee doesn't give a shit about the AP poll. If all things were equal, just based on resume, we were probably a top 3 team in the selection committee's criteria entering last night. We are still in the conversation, even after this loss - especially if Gtown goes on a run, which I think is definitely possible.

Regardless of how good the OOC schedule is, I'd be shocked (based on tournament seeding history) if any Big East team could get a #1/#2 seed with more than 3-4 losses on the ledger. A lot of that is going to depend, obviously, on how the rest of the Top-10 (or so) teams in the country play from this point forward. Hence my comment, they probably need to run the table or win the BE tournament if they want to capture a top seed.

And I don't like plaudits about "They're a good team" or "They have good players," I like numbers -- the fact is that Georgetown came into this game with a 100+ RPI, with a number of terrible (not just bad, terrible) losses on their resume. All credit to their kids for balling out, but unless they radically shift the direction of their season, that's going to be a bad HOME loss on the tournament resume.

The season isn't over, the sky isn't falling, but they've now used one of their mulligans that I was hoping would go towards a road game. There's no reason this team can't rebound and solidly claim a good seed, but the margin for error is smaller now. Hopefully this is a learning experience for the kids that can help them understand how to play with the pressure of expectations on them.

[XUMIOH12]

Was it just me or did it seem the refs last night were real chummy with the Georgetown players and coaches? They seemed to always have an arm around their waists during stoppages in play yucking it up. The two white refs last night were flat out awful. Of course it didn't help that our offense took the night off too last night.

What's going on with Remy? Dude has been a non-factor in several games lately. I'd rather have Kaiser Gates in there if his heads not in it.

The refs were terrible last night. Aside from the Butler game, Remy hasnt had a good game in quite some time.

[XfansinKy]

DSR was shooting like Steph Curry and our guys missed open jumpers and lay ups. We got out rebounded too. It seems like when our guys are making shots, hustling to the glass and playing lock up D, those calls from refs go our way. It's basketball. Make shots, lock down on D, and put this one in the rear view. If a team somehow wins the Big East regular season and tournament, they will have a legit shot at a 1 seed.

[Caveat]

The refs were terrible last night. Aside from the Butler game, Remy hasnt had a good game in quite some time.

I was annoyed by the officiating last night right up until the point the one kid from Georgetown slammed the ball on the sidelines after committing a turnover. That's an easy tech all day, every day, and they just let him walk away. At that point, my frustration boiled over, because it was l know if that had been Reynolds he'd have been T'd instantaneously.

[paulxu]

Crazy thoughts:
1 - Myles was 3-5 from behind the arc. At 60 % I wish we had run more plays for him to take shots

2 - ESPN finally put BB on their black banner to make it easier to access

3 - ESPN shows attendance at 9,906. I thought it was a sellout with SRO for the students?

[sgarcia]

I don't think last night was the fault of the refs. To be perfectly honest, I get very annoyed with people blaming officiating for their team losing a game in any sport. Just an FYI, we make more free throws then our opponents attempt most years so everyone relax about the refs. We played a poor game on both ends. We shot it poorly, couldn't play good man 2 man or 1-3-1 and just got out hustled. Hopefully this game is just a small bump in the road. I expect us to come out with some fire on Saturday. 16-2 is still an incredible season to date. Hopefully we can maintain strong play throughout the rest of the conference slate to set us up for the conference and NCAA tourney.

[Cheesehead]

I don't think last night was the fault of the refs. To be perfectly honest, I get very annoyed with people blaming officiating for their team losing a game in any sport. Just an FYI, we make more free throws then our opponents attempt most years so everyone relax about the refs. We played a poor game on both ends. We shot it poorly, couldn't play good man 2 man or 1-3-1 and just got out hustled. Hopefully this game is just a small bump in the road. I expect us to come out with some fire on Saturday. 16-2 is still an incredible season to date. Hopefully we can maintain strong play throughout the rest of the conference slate to set us up for the conference and NCAA tourney.

Agreed. We shot 35%, GT shot over 50% and they outrebounded X. That's the story. GT will probably not shoot like that again. Also, Ed Corbett can eat a bag of dicks because he is HORRIBLE. Not sure how he can be a ref for 27 years. Wildy inconsistent.

[XUMIOH12]

I don't think last night was the fault of the refs. To be perfectly honest, I get very annoyed with people blaming officiating for their team losing a game in any sport. Just an FYI, we make more free throws then our opponents attempt most years so everyone relax about the refs. We played a poor game on both ends. We shot it poorly, couldn't play good man 2 man or 1-3-1 and just got out hustled. Hopefully this game is just a small bump in the road. I expect us to come out with some fire on Saturday. 16-2 is still an incredible season to date. Hopefully we can maintain strong play throughout the rest of the conference slate to set us up for the conference and NCAA tourney.

I'm not sure if anyone here is blaming the officiating for the loss, but it was poor officiating most of the game. Xavier lost because Georgetown just played a better game in just about every facet. Hopefully just a blip on the radar and right back to winning on Saturday.

[XUMIOH12]

I was annoyed by the officiating last night right up until the point the one kid from Georgetown slammed the ball on the sidelines after committing a turnover. That's an easy tech all day, every day, and they just let him walk away. At that point, my frustration boiled over, because it was l know if that had been Reynolds he'd have been T'd instantaneously.

Yeah slamming the ball after the out of bounds call is called a T almost every time. Not sure why the refs let it go that time.

[markchal]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.
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I think the committee would only have one BE 1-seed, and our shot to win the conference just got a lot tougher. We lost at home to a team that's not even in the top 50. We still have most of our tough games ahead of us. At providence, butler, gt, and seton hall and nova at home.

We're still a great team, but I think it's time to be a little more realistic. There are no great teams this year, so having a three seed isn't a huge deal. We just need to keep getting better and playing hard.

[bleedXblue]

Agree on the refs with two exceptions. The ticky tack calls made to even up fouls in the second half. I think they called 5-6 straight fouls on us in less than 2 minutes. The foul call on Trevon in the second half where he was run over with a foream. If you look at the replay of that, its outrageous.

Gtown shot BETTER in the second half than the did in the first. Poor D on some important possessions and some ridiculous 3's were the reason.

[Xville]

I'm annoyed by the amount of open shots (threes in particular) we have given opponents the last few games...Marquette and Georgetown specifically. I don't like the game plan of giving guys wide open threes.. Yeah maybe the opponents aren't that good of shooters but major D-1 players are going to make wide open shots more often than not.

I watch a lot of college basketball and we seem to have given up way more open shots recently than any team i have watched. Its frustrating.

[sgarcia]

I'm annoyed by the amount of open shots (threes in particular) we have given opponents the last few games...Marquette and Georgetown specifically. I don't like the game plan of giving guys wide open threes.. Yeah maybe the opponents aren't that good of shooters but major D-1 players are going to make wide open shots more often than not.

I watch a lot of college basketball and we seem to have given up way more open shots recently than any team i have watched. Its frustrating.

I've seen more and more teams start playing a 1-3-1. I assume teams now have a lot of tape on it now and are figuring out ways to beat it. We're also playing it a lot more than last year which gives opponents more chances to scout it. I cringe every time our opponent gets it to the corner because I think the guy in the corner is always the most wide open against that zone. Teams are figuring out that you can just pass it from the wing to the elbow to the corner or a guard can just drive the ball against one of the wing defenders. Hopefully we will make the necessary adjustments to once again make it a very effective defense for us.

[scoscox]

Not overly concerned that we lost. I think Georgetown is pretty talented and hopefully will start winning some games, but the way we lost was pretty tough to handle with DSR and Trey Campbell hitting all kinds of treys they never hit at any other time. Georgetown will never have a game like that the rest of the year. They took the formula from Villanova on how to beat us though; play zone to cut down the driving lanes and pass and kick options and of course shoot out of their minds. Not that reliable of a formula.

[Milhouse]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPVLyB0Yc6I

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.

Do you think MD, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Much St. fans have resigned to the 3/4 line in January after their first bad home game of the season? I don't see why we would. Unless you just don't want to be optimistic.

The selection committee doesn't give a shit about the AP poll. If all things were equal, just based on resume, we were probably a top 3 team in the selection committee's criteria entering last night. We are still in the conversation, even after this loss - especially if Gtown goes on a run, which I think is definitely possible.

Reps!

[xuwin]

Crazy thoughts:
1 - Myles was 3-5 from behind the arc. At 60 % I wish we had run more plays for him to take shots

2 - ESPN finally put BB on their black banner to make it easier to access

3 - ESPN shows attendance at 9,906. I thought it was a sellout with SRO for the students?

There were a couple of areas in the upper deck that obviously weren't sold.

[Xville]

I don't really understand this line of thinking. What specifically about last night makes you think we will probably be a 3 or 4 seed? We have the best OOC resume in the country and are 16-2. Do you really think there are clearly 8-12 teams with a better resume than us? Every single top ten team has stumbled the last two weeks except UNC and Nova.

We lost our first game with our full lineup last night. We didn't play great, but we didn't lose to Little Sisters of the Poor. Gtown has a ton of talent, and they have shown that they get up for big games. They played great last night and shot lights out. They had last minute losses to MD, Duke, and Nova this year.

We are still a really good team and we can still hang on the 1-2 seed line if we take care of business. Almost every team in the country will have 4-5 losses by year's end. I don't see why we can't be in the conversation.

Do you think MD, Oklahoma, Kansas, or Much St. fans have resigned to the 3/4 line in January after their first bad home game of the season? I don't see why we would. Unless you just don't want to be optimistic.

The selection committee doesn't give a shit about the AP poll. If all things were equal, just based on resume, we were probably a top 3 team in the selection committee's criteria entering last night. We are still in the conversation, even after this loss - especially if Gtown goes on a run, which I think is definitely possible.

Well if we only lose 1-2 more games yes we will be in the 1/2 discussion and will probably certainly be a 2. However, looking at our schedule, I could easily see another 4 losses. That puts us at 6 losses and most likely a 3 or a 4 seed. The last seven games of the regular season are absolutely brutal. Anyways, if we get a top 4 seed and not sent out to the west region, it doesn't really matter. Eventually you are going to have to beat an elite type team to advance in the tourney.

[X-band '01]

Crazy thoughts:
1 - Myles was 3-5 from behind the arc. At 60 % I wish we had run more plays for him to take shots

2 - ESPN finally put BB on their black banner to make it easier to access

3 - ESPN shows attendance at 9,906. I thought it was a sellout with SRO for the students?

FWIW, if you have an Insider account on there, you can always have Men's BB on the black banner.

[paulxu]

FWIW, if you have an Insider account on there, you can always have Men's BB on the black banner.

I'm not sending them any money. My cable bill is high enough.

[Muskeagle]

Georgetown took it to us last night. In the post game, Campbell mentioned how X took 3 games from them last year....and they wanted it. It was clear that we played a very motivated team last night. They shot well and Campbell's career high was probably the difference.

My overall gripe with the officiating was that it seemed out of sync with the rest of the year. Georgetown leads the Big East in fouls committed. I think that is probably because they have been about the most physical team I've seen play the last few years. They were just about as physical last night as I've seen them the last couple of years....but the calls that have likely been coming all year, didn't come. I mean, the multitude of moving screens that went uncalled was surprising...given the rest of the year's emphasis on it. The credit goes to Georgetown as they manhandled us in our own building. They were motivated and pushed us around. When the referees let it happen...they kept it up. In the end, a more physical G-town team got called for two fewer fouls.

The biggest thing about the play with the Blueitt "foul" that has everyone pissed (and yes it was a TERRIBLE call), is the two obvious moving screens that set the play up. I get the actual call getting a little mixed up from time to time (where the contact happens in a non-focal area), but with a ref right there watching the play on the ball...how those two moving screens get ignored, is beyond me.

[paulxu]

The biggest thing about the play with the Blueitt "foul" that has everyone pissed (and yes it was a TERRIBLE call), is the two obvious moving screens that set the play up. I get the actual call getting a little mixed up from time to time (where the contact happens in a non-focal area), but with a ref right there watching the play on the ball...how those two moving screens get ignored, is beyond me.

I might even let the missed screen calls pass on the Blueitt foul, and maybe the contact was in a non-focal area...but if you call the foul in that sort of situation, how does the guy laying on the floor get the call? That was just one horseshit call. Simple as that.

[X-man]

Crazy thoughts:
1 - Myles was 3-5 from behind the arc. At 60 % I wish we had run more plays for him to take shots

2 - ESPN finally put BB on their black banner to make it easier to access

3 - ESPN shows attendance at 9,906. I thought it was a sellout with SRO for the students?
It was. ESPN apparently doesn't understand that Xavier can't sell the seats of no-shows.

[XU 87]

It was. ESPN apparently doesn't understand that Xavier can't sell the seats of no-shows.

The seats in the upper corners were mostly empty. It didn't look like it was a sellout.

[Muskeagle]

I might even let the missed screen calls pass on the Blueitt foul, and maybe the contact was in a non-focal area...but if you call the foul in that sort of situation, how does the guy laying on the floor get the call? That was just one horseshit call. Simple as that.

No doubt it was a horseshit call. My point was that in real speed, calls out of the "corner of your eye" sometimes get missed....it just happens. The illegal screens, which are a point of emphasis and were right in front of the ref, should have been obvious. And that was to illustrate my point that the refs didn't call the game like they've been reffing games all year.

[LA Muskie]

It was. ESPN apparently doesn't understand that Xavier can't sell the seats of no-shows.
You've got to be kidding me. Do you really think ESPN counted up the empty seats? They don't investigate those numbers, they take what's been reported to them.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You've got to be kidding me. Do you really think ESPN counted up the empty seats? They don't investigate those numbers, they take what's been reported to them.

Yeah I was thinking the same thing, lol. ESPN can only report what has been reported to them. Unless whoever they get the report from (I'm guessing XU?) told them turnstile numbers instead of tickets sold if it was really a sellout.

[Hoya]

Just so you know our RPI moved up to around 70 from 110 with the win against you guys last night. So by the end of the season this probably won't be looked at as a bad loss for you.

Good game. I don't know why you didn't have Jalen Reynolds starting. Seemed baffling although he is getting into the same kind of foul trouble our players are having with the new freedom of movement rules.

Do you guys no longer play Sean Miller/Chris Mack Packline? Seems like this year you are playing mostly 1-3-1. When was that switch made? The Packline used to give us fits, although the new freedom of movement rules really hurt pack line and aggressive man to man defenses.

As far as our team, our 4 star sophomore, Copeland is going through a slump worse than Jalen Reyonlds and is giving us nothing right now. Ironically they both went to Brewster Academy.

Tre Campbell has also been in a major slump for us and started the season with an illness. He was expected to be really good this year and a major contributor so his regression has been baffling. Without him it really taxes DSR and the team since Campbell is the only other point guard.

Bradley Hayes only starts for us basically out of seniority at this point because the freshman center Govan is rapidly becoming our best player. Govan hits 45% from the field/50% from 3/90% from the free throw line. So that wasn't an aberration that the backup outplayed the starter. Over the last few weeks Bradley Hayes has started for a couple minutes then sits and hasn't really been playing much of the rest of the game unless Govan gets in foul trouble. Towards the end of the game we usually strictly go with Govan since he's a much better player and a really good free throw shooter but in last nights game we kept Hayes, who isn't a good free throw shooter in their maybe a little bit too long at the end.

You guys have a good team. Blueet's shot is pure. Need to start Jalen Reynolds more. Good luck to you guys and hope to see you in the tourney.

[birdman71]

The seats in the upper corners were mostly empty. It didn't look like it was a sellout.

Can you even see the upper corners from those near courtside seats you have?

[Hoya]

I might even let the missed screen calls pass on the Blueitt foul, and maybe the contact was in a non-focal area...but if you call the foul in that sort of situation, how does the guy laying on the floor get the call? That was just one horseshit call. Simple as that.

It was something like impeding the cutter on the backdoor. Honestly, it looked like a foul on us (Georgetown) but the TV replay seemed abrupt and incomplete so it was hard to tell what was going on. On that short replay it just looked like a foul on us but supposedly our guy was cutting to the basket for an easy backdoor and your guy tried to stop it with physical contact (which is a foul under the new bogus freedom of movement rules) but fell down. Who knows, you probably got hosed on that one but that kind of thing has been happening to us all season with the new freedom of movement rules. Those rules really hurt man to man defense.

[xufan2434]

Haven't read through the entire thread but quick takeaway from last night:

Offense wasn't bad, just missed shots. Remy couldn't hit anything and our bigs simply weren't beating theirs on the 1 on 1's. Will say, if they're going to feed the post and run last year's offense, then guys have to make cuts. Sean and Jimmy don't have the same moves as Matt and need cutters to pass to.

The defense troubles me at times honestly. The 1-3-1 got exposed if the other team can actually make 3's. Not so much Georgetown, because I'll let them shoot all day and they got hot, but teams like Villanova feast on it. I just don't think that can be their primary defense. It should be a change of pace. And it worries me that Mack isn't confident enough to get out of it and go man when the other team gets hot like that. He waited multiple times last night till the lead got back to double digits. I don't doubt this teams defensive ability at all, just need to get back to practice and compete hard in the man to man. Lotta breaks, especially at the end of the shot clock and offensive rebounds went Gtowns way last night, it happens.

Lastly, Jalen is officially in the dog house seems like and O'Mara played well at times. But when X is losing by 10 or more halfway through the 2nd half, then I don't want to see the bench players out there. I love Kaiser and what he brings, but he had no business being in the game at that point. A lot of guys didn't have their A game, so gotta get this next one at home before heading to Providence.

PS, Ed was completely gassed. Almost impossible task asking him to guard Smith Rivera late in the game. Not saying I would have played it differently, but it certainly won't be like that the next time around

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown shot 51% overall vs their season average going in at 43%. They also shot 40% from 3 vs a year average of 34%. Campbell was 5-7 from 3- 71.4% vs his season average of 33% and scored 21 vs a season average of 4. They just made shots. It happens. We sure didn't mind when Remy went off for 21 against Butler that wasn't typical.

That being said, our bigs sucked rocks last night. Neither Jimmy or Jalen ever got into this game mentally and we got beasted on the boards big time. Sean O' was our most effective big. And, look. No way this game was lost because of officiating. If they are going to let the game go, well then you have to adjust. There might have been a couple of missed calls, but they were on both sides. The game was lost because basically only three Xavier Musketeers actually seemed to play last night- O'Mara, Myles and Trevon. Everybody else on the roster was a virtual no-show.

Georgetown won the game. Props to them. We're still 3 in the RPI. We move on.

[Hoya]

The defense troubles me at times honestly. The 1-3-1 got exposed if the other team can actually make 3's. Not so much Georgetown, because I'll let them shoot all day and they got hot, but teams like Villanova feast on it. I just don't think that can be their primary defense. It should be a change of pace. And it worries me that Mack isn't confident enough to get out of it and go man when the other team gets hot like that. He waited multiple times last night till the lead got back to double digits. I don't doubt this teams defensive ability at all, just need to get back to practice and compete hard in the man to man. Lotta breaks, especially at the end of the shot clock and offensive rebounds went Gtowns way last night, it happens.


Mack is ahead of the curve in abandoning packline and man to man for 1-3-1. With the new freedom of movement rules it's impossible to play man to man without getting in foul trouble and putting the opponent on the line.

Our best defender, LJ Peak, who was the best defensive player on the U19 World Champion team run by Sean and Archie Miller and Ed Cooley has already fouled out of 6 games this year and been in foul trouble in every game. We can't keep him on the floor and we need his athleticism and dribble penetration ability. We didn't have this problem with him last year but because of the freedom of movement rules it's a foul when he plays lock down D. We were really counting on him along with Copeland and DSR to be our big three but he can't stay on the floor.

That's why moving away from man to man for 2-3 or 1-3-1 is the way to go.

Now the school down the street (George Washington) has been running the 1-3-1 for the last couple years. They probably have the best 1-3-1 in the nation. What they do is put either athletic 6-6 Patricio Garino or atheltic 6-8 Watanabe at the top of the 1-3-1 and that causes all sorts of problem in trying to move or pass to 3pt shooters. They also save the 1-3-1 for the 2nd half and kind of ambush opponents.

But like Packline, Syracuse 2-3 zone, Georgetown tight man to man (which is probably obsolete now thanks to freedom of movement), 1-3-1 you really have to dedicate and spend time playing it to master it.

As you saw in our game, as soon as you switched to man to man, the foul parade started. That's really common this year. Happens all the time to us and then some of our best perimeter defenders get eliminated from the game. So in that sense sticking to 1-3-1 or 2-3 will avoid alot of the foul problems. We're moving more to 2-3 as the year goes on because man to man unfortunately just doesn't work with the current rule set. Everyone is having problems with freedom of movement. Izzo's packline at MSU, Coach K's man to man at Duke. Why you are seeing so many upsets.

[scoscox]

Haven't read through the entire thread but quick takeaway from last night:

Offense wasn't bad, just missed shots. Remy couldn't hit anything and our bigs simply weren't beating theirs on the 1 on 1's. Will say, if they're going to feed the post and run last year's offense, then guys have to make cuts. Sean and Jimmy don't have the same moves as Matt and need cutters to pass to.

The defense troubles me at times honestly. The 1-3-1 got exposed if the other team can actually make 3's. Not so much Georgetown, because I'll let them shoot all day and they got hot, but teams like Villanova feast on it. I just don't think that can be their primary defense. It should be a change of pace. And it worries me that Mack isn't confident enough to get out of it and go man when the other team gets hot like that. He waited multiple times last night till the lead got back to double digits. I don't doubt this teams defensive ability at all, just need to get back to practice and compete hard in the man to man. Lotta breaks, especially at the end of the shot clock and offensive rebounds went Gtowns way last night, it happens.

Lastly, Jalen is officially in the dog house seems like and O'Mara played well at times. But when X is losing by 10 or more halfway through the 2nd half, then I don't want to see the bench players out there. I love Kaiser and what he brings, but he had no business being in the game at that point. A lot of guys didn't have their A game, so gotta get this next one at home before heading to Providence.

PS, Ed was completely gassed. Almost impossible task asking him to guard Smith Rivera late in the game. Not saying I would have played it differently, but it certainly won't be like that the next time around

This was my take on the game as well. Almost verbatim. The 1-3-1 isn't really that hard to figure out and I'm honestly surprised it's been as effective as it has this year and not at all surprised that Nova and Georgetown exposed it. What bothers me is that we don't switch from it quickly enough when it's being exposed. It's really just a gimmick defense for the most part. I don't think I've ever seen a team stick with it for such extended periods of time as XU has this year. Almost as if Mack thinks it's a primary defense. Marquette looked lost against it because their guards are awful and they can't shoot. It's a feeding frenzy for anyone decent.

The wacky lineups aren't anything new. We've been playing them most games and they really don't make sense to me. We have good players two deep at every position, but often times it's feast or famine with who's on the floor. I think that has something to do with all the runs we see in games by both teams. Lastly, Ed's defense was going to be a problem. Being a freshman, I don't think he quite devotes himself to his defense yet and he was clearly going to be winded after his long break, unfortunately. Not surprised about the refs. Big game at home and want to go out of their way to prove their not homering. Ed Corbett's a joke that dude's always got an agenda.

[X-band '01]

Just so you know our RPI moved up to around 70 from 110 with the win against you guys last night. So by the end of the season this probably won't be looked at as a bad loss for you.

Good game. I don't know why you didn't have Jalen Reynolds starting. Seemed baffling although he is getting into the same kind of foul trouble our players are having with the new freedom of movement rules.

Do you guys no longer play Sean Miller/Chris Mack Packline? Seems like this year you are playing mostly 1-3-1. When was that switch made? The Packline used to give us fits, although the new freedom of movement rules really hurt pack line and aggressive man to man defenses.

As far as our team, our 4 star sophomore, Copeland is going through a slump worse than Jalen Reyonlds and is giving us nothing right now. Ironically they both went to Brewster Academy.

Tre Campbell has also been in a major slump for us and started the season with an illness. He was expected to be really good this year and a major contributor so his regression has been baffling. Without him it really taxes DSR and the team since Campbell is the only other point guard.

Bradley Hayes only starts for us basically out of seniority at this point because the freshman center Govan is rapidly becoming our best player. Govan hits 45% from the field/50% from 3/90% from the free throw line. So that wasn't an aberration that the backup outplayed the starter. Over the last few weeks Bradley Hayes has started for a couple minutes then sits and hasn't really been playing much of the rest of the game unless Govan gets in foul trouble. Towards the end of the game we usually strictly go with Govan since he's a much better player and a really good free throw shooter but in last nights game we kept Hayes, who isn't a good free throw shooter in their maybe a little bit too long at the end.

You guys have a good team. Blueet's shot is pure. Need to start Jalen Reynolds more. Good luck to you guys and hope to see you in the tourney.

It's anyone's guess on here as to why Jalen had reduced minutes - he simply hasn't been as consistent as he was last season at this time. Getting a T for jawing with a player against Marquette also helped to put him in Chris Mack's doghouse. We'll see if Jalen received the message for the Seton Hall game on Saturday.

As for the 1-3-1, one poster alluded to why it wasn't effective last night - Georgetown had better passing than they did last year and were actually able to hit from the corners.

But in some ways, Hoya, your team does remind me of Xavier last year in one respect - both teams had disappointing losses at various points of the season, but would be a dangerous matchup on a neutral floor. I could easily see Georgetown winning a game or two in the Big East tournament IF they get production similar to what they had last night. Georgetown certainly looked like the team that the Big East coaches and media originally picked to finish 2nd in the Big East.

[chico]

Georgetown shot 51% overall vs their season average going in at 43%. They also shot 40% from 3 vs a year average of 34%. Campbell was 5-7 from 3- 71.4% vs his season average of 33% and scored 21 vs a season average of 4. They just made shots. It happens. We sure didn't mind when Remy went off for 21 against Butler that wasn't typical.

That being said, our bigs sucked rocks last night. Neither Jimmy or Jalen ever got into this game mentally and we got beasted on the boards big time. Sean O' was our most effective big. And, look. No way this game was lost because of officiating. If they are going to let the game go, well then you have to adjust. There might have been a couple of missed calls, but they were on both sides. The game was lost because basically only three Xavier Musketeers actually seemed to play last night- O'Mara, Myles and Trevon. Everybody else on the roster was a virtual no-show.

Georgetown won the game. Props to them. We're still 3 in the RPI. We move on.

I pretty much agree. Georgetown was on fire last night and Mack even mentioned how you don't expect a kid who averages 4 a game to go for 20. They purposely left him open and he made us pay. Plus they were up for the game and had much more energy than we did. This is what we can expect from being in the Big East - never a chance to take a night off.

Georgetown is a very talented team but needs to get past their tendency to be so inconsistent. If that happens they'll do some real damage come March, because they're long, athletic and can shoot the ball.

[LA Muskie]

I pretty much agree. Georgetown was on fire last night and Mack even mentioned how you don't expect a kid who averages 4 a game to go for 20. They purposely left him open and he made us pay. Plus they were up for the game and had much more energy than we did. This is what we can expect from being in the Big East - never a chance to take a night off.

Georgetown is a very talented team but needs to get past their tendency to be so inconsistent. If that happens they'll do some real damage come March, because they're long, athletic and can shoot the ball.
I can accept GTown shooting lights out. It happens. The ball just didn't bounce our way yesterday. It happens. It's always disappointing to drop a home game -- road games are tough enough that it's important to hold serve as much as possible. But it happens.

Onward and upward.

[maketewahXalum]

What's going on with Remy? Dude has been a non-factor in several games lately. I'd rather have Kaiser Gates in there if his heads not in it.

Yeah, I am beginning to worry about him. After the Butler game, where he exploded for a season high of 21 points, here are some of his numbers for the past 4 games since:

Avg. Min/GM: 24
Avg. Pts/GM: 2.25
Avg. Reb/GM: 2.25
Avg. Ast/GM: 1.25
Avg. TO/GM: 1
Avg. FG%: 22.22% (4/18)
Avg. 3P FG%: 16.67% (1/6)
Avg. FT%: 0.00% (0/2)

1 total steal in those four games.
Failed to score a single point in both the DePaul & Marquette games.

Those are some bad numbers for our starting SG, let alone someone playing 60% of the game. While he is only shooting about 5 times per game, 22.22% is just bad. If he were contributing in other ways (i.e. rebounding, assists, steals, etc.), it would be a different story. There is no stat on guarding the opposition's best player for the majority of the minutes he plays, which shouldn't be discounted; but overall, he is just bringing very little to the table during that stretch. Let's hope he snaps out of it and gets back to the level we have grown accustomed to the past 2 years. We need his contribution, especially when the rest of the team is struggling, like last night.

[XU3232]

Yeah, I am beginning to worry about him. After the Butler game, where he exploded for a season high of 21 points, here are some of his numbers for the past 4 games since:

Avg. Min/GM: 24
Avg. Pts/GM: 2.25
Avg. Reb/GM: 2.25
Avg. Ast/GM: 1.25
Avg. TO/GM: 1
Avg. FG%: 22.22% (4/18)
Avg. 3P FG%: 16.67% (1/6)
Avg. FT%: 0.00% (0/2)

1 total steal in those four games.
Failed to score a single point in both the DePaul & Marquette games.

Those are some bad numbers for our starting SG, let alone someone playing 60% of the game. While he is only shooting about 5 times per game, 22.22% is just bad. If he were contributing in other ways (i.e. rebounding, assists, steals, etc.), it would be a different story. There is no stat on guarding the opposition's best player for the majority of the minutes he plays, which shouldn't be discounted; but overall, he is just bringing very little to the table during that stretch. Let's hope he snaps out of it and gets back to the level we have grown accustomed to the past 2 years. We need his contribution, especially when the rest of the team is struggling, like last night.

He had a quite a few decent looks last night too.. it's crazy to see his offensive game go backwards like this from last year.

[xufan2434]

He had a quite a few decent looks last night too.. it's crazy to see his offensive game go backwards like this from last year.

Feels more just like a slump to me. He barely missed the drive to the basket in the 1st half and couldn't connect after that. Need to get him some fast break buckets. That's when he's at his best and gets his confidence going. Speaking of that, it was one thing X couldn't really get going other than the O'Mara dunk. GTown was very good at getting back on defense to stop X from stringing together consecutive baskets. Also would have helped to have to a couple more turnovers

[LA Muskie]

Feels more just like a slump to me. He barely missed the drive to the basket in the 1st half and couldn't connect after that. Need to get him some fast break buckets. That's when he's at his best and gets his confidence going. Speaking of that, it was one thing X couldn't really get going other than the O'Mara dunk. GTown was very good at getting back on defense to stop X from stringing together consecutive baskets. Also would have helped to have to a couple more turnovers
True. But it's a lot easier to get back on defense after a made basket...

[XU3232]

Feels more just like a slump to me. He barely missed the drive to the basket in the 1st half and couldn't connect after that. Need to get him some fast break buckets. That's when he's at his best and gets his confidence going. Speaking of that, it was one thing X couldn't really get going other than the O'Mara dunk. GTown was very good at getting back on defense to stop X from stringing together consecutive baskets. Also would have helped to have to a couple more turnovers

I sure hope so... with the amount of minutes he plays it would be nice to see him start to put up some points for sure. I do agree that he needs to be attacking the basket more.. that's definitely his game.

[bleedXblue]

Yeah, I am beginning to worry about him. After the Butler game, where he exploded for a season high of 21 points, here are some of his numbers for the past 4 games since:

Avg. Min/GM: 24
Avg. Pts/GM: 2.25
Avg. Reb/GM: 2.25
Avg. Ast/GM: 1.25
Avg. TO/GM: 1
Avg. FG%: 22.22% (4/18)
Avg. 3P FG%: 16.67% (1/6)
Avg. FT%: 0.00% (0/2)

1 total steal in those four games.
Failed to score a single point in both the DePaul & Marquette games.

Those are some bad numbers for our starting SG, let alone someone playing 60% of the game. While he is only shooting about 5 times per game, 22.22% is just bad. If he were contributing in other ways (i.e. rebounding, assists, steals, etc.), it would be a different story. There is no stat on guarding the opposition's best player for the majority of the minutes he plays, which shouldn't be discounted; but overall, he is just bringing very little to the table during that stretch. Let's hope he snaps out of it and gets back to the level we have grown accustomed to the past 2 years. We need his contribution, especially when the rest of the team is struggling, like last night.

What did Remy do almost at will against Butler to score 21?

[xufan2434]

True. But it's a lot easier to get back on defense after a made basket...

Valid point

[XfansinKy]

I don't think Remy or Farr will ever be consistent jump shooters with the shooting form they use. I love Remy being from Ky, but that release, while hanging in the air instead of on the way up, kills me. Him and Farr both have their elbows all jacked up too, instead of nice and compact like Myles for example. They both have other skill sets that we have seen, especially Farr. It's time for Remy to get it going though.

[paulxu]

It was something like impeding the cutter on the backdoor. Honestly, it looked like a foul on us (Georgetown) but the TV replay seemed abrupt and incomplete so it was hard to tell what was going on. On that short replay it just looked like a foul on us but supposedly our guy was cutting to the basket for an easy backdoor and your guy tried to stop it with physical contact (which is a foul under the new bogus freedom of movement rules) but fell down. Who knows, you probably got hosed on that one but that kind of thing has been happening to us all season with the new freedom of movement rules. Those rules really hurt man to man defense.

We lost the game not because of the refs, but because Georgetown played a lot better basketball than we did last night.
But I thought I'd let you look at the clip somebody posted. I'm pretty sure the defender is entitled to his spot, despite the new rules.
But maybe not.
Also, that doesn't look like a backdoor cut, and the ball had already passed him by heading back to the top of the key.

https://twitter.com/MuskieMusings/status/689653247678742528

[XUFan09]

We lost the game not because of the refs, but because Georgetown played a lot better basketball than we did last night.
But I thought I'd let you look at the clip somebody posted. I'm pretty sure the defender is entitled to his spot, despite the new rules.
But maybe not.
Also, that doesn't look like a backdoor cut, and the ball had already passed him by heading back to the top of the key.

https://twitter.com/MuskieMusings/status/689653247678742528
Yeah, there is absolutely no question that it was a miserable call. The defender is entitled to his space and is entitled to not getting shoved to the ground. Even the biggest Georgetown homer should be able to admit that. It affected the game too, making it an 8-point game instead of a 6-point game when Xavier got the ball. Not the be-all-end-all, but even the game had been a 30-point margin one way or another, that would still be one of the worst "foul" calls I've ever seen.

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[Hoya]

We lost the game not because of the refs, but because Georgetown played a lot better basketball than we did last night.
But I thought I'd let you look at the clip somebody posted. I'm pretty sure the defender is entitled to his spot, despite the new rules.
But maybe not.
Also, that doesn't look like a backdoor cut, and the ball had already passed him by heading back to the top of the key.

https://twitter.com/MuskieMusings/status/689653247678742528

Unfortunately under the new bogus freedom of movement rules thats a foul on you. At the 6 second mark number 5 wraps his arm around 15 Govan's lower back/hip (not as bad as the one Macura did when he wrapped his arm around his back to the far hip that put on Peak on the double foul) as Govan tries to cut for the backdoor off the switch. Anytime you touch the offensive player with your arms or body it's an automatic foul under the new freedom of movement rule.

Why do you think our best defenders are fouling out so much this year when they haven't had foul trouble last year. You guys have simply not been exposed to this type of baloney this year because Chris Mack had the foresight to see that playing man to man under the new freedom of movement rules would lead to these kinds of foul problems and switched to playing primarily 1-3-1 zone.

[LA Muskie]

Hoya, I appreciate your approach (incidentally, I'm both a Muskie and a Hoya, but my primary allegiance is on this side). Theoretically, that could have been a call on Trevon if initially called. And if the officials decided to ignore (as they did) the moving screen itself. But they didn't call anything until Trevon landed on his ass. Which means they weren't calling him for his arms. They were essentially calling him for a blocking foul. But he's entitled to his position, especially since Govan doesn't have the ball. Furthermore, Govan's fore-arm to the throat likely should have been a F-1.

Again, we didn't lose the game because of the officials. No sour grapes here. Frankly I'm sure they missed a few for you guys as well. But they really bungled that one.

[xavierj]

Unfortunately under the new bogus freedom of movement rules thats a foul on you. At the 6 second mark number 5 wraps his arm around 15 Govan's lower back/hip (not as bad as the one Macura did when he wrapped his arm around his back to the far hip that put on Peak on the double foul) as Govan tries to cut for the backdoor off the switch. Anytime you touch the offensive player with your arms or body it's an automatic foul under the new freedom of movement rule.

Why do you think our best defenders are fouling out so much this year when they haven't had foul trouble last year. You guys have simply not been exposed to this type of baloney this year because Chris Mack had the foresight to see that playing man to man under the new freedom of movement rules would lead to these kinds of foul problems and switched to playing primarily 1-3-1 zone.

You may be right but the Georgetown player could have drew a flagrant foul with the forearm to the face. I am surprised it wasnt reviewed. Trevon may have fouled him but the guy still clearly put a forearm into his face which is not allowed regardless if you are not giving freedom of movement.

[XUFan09]

Hoya, I appreciate your approach (incidentally, I'm both a Muskie and a Hoya, but my primary allegiance is on this side). Theoretically, that could have been a call on Trevon if initially called. And if the officials decided to ignore (as they did) the moving screen itself. But they didn't call anything until Trevon landed on his ass. Which means they weren't calling him for his arms. They were essentially calling him for a blocking foul. But he's entitled to his position, especially since Govan doesn't have the ball. Furthermore, Govan's fore-arm to the throat likely should have been a F-1.

Again, we didn't lose the game because of the officials. No sour grapes here. Frankly I'm sure they missed a few for you guys as well. But they really bungled that one.
Yup. The refs didn't see that little hook, nor did they see the moving screens before, so they didn't whistle for them.

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[Hoya]

You may be right but the Georgetown player could have drew a flagrant foul with the forearm to the face. I am surprised it wasnt reviewed. Trevon may have fouled him but the guy still clearly put a forearm into his face which is not allowed regardless if you are not giving freedom of movement.

Yeah, they could have called a double foul or a flagrant if they wanted to. That's what happened on the play where Macura grabbed LJ Peak around the waist and then LJ elbowed him on the chin as they both fell to the ground. For whatever reason they chose not to cause I guess it was just an "accident" that he got ran over as he tried to cut to the basket.

Impeding a guy who is cutting to the basket is also a foul under the freedom of movement rules. In theory that should benefit our backdoor cuts but it really hasn't until this play.

I'll just say the new freedom of movement rules are horrendous. You can complain and whine about them as we did but it took us 3 bad losses to bad teams to realize that these calls are not going to go away or change and that you get penalized for playing aggressive man to man D which is our trademark. Basically you can't touch the offensive player or cutter with any part of your body or there will likely be foul.

In the past we would have limited those bad teams to about 30-40 points with physical, in your face, man to man D. But we kept fouling them under the new rules, putting them on the line, getting our best defenders in foul trouble and then they just started to rain threes (sound familiar) when we backed off guarding them tight man to man. So we had to learn the hard way that under these rules you can really only protect yourself with zone and when you play man you just have to back off, play the passing lanes, try to alter or block shots with plane of verticality.

The conclusion seems to be that you just have to outscore your opponent and play D (and alot of zone) that's just not as bad as the opponent. Basically any team that is hot can win the game if they shoot lights out from 3pt or the foul line because one or the other will be there, especially if you plan man 2 man. That's why you are seeing so many upsets.
I mean our D was okay but you still scored 70 on us and shot 35% from 3. We just basically outscored you. Stick to 1-3-1. If you guys play primarily man you will learn the hard way like we did that you can't really do it.

[maketewahXalum]

What did Remy do almost at will against Butler to score 21?

Basically didn't miss...here is his stat line against Butler, which was an extremely efficient day:

21 Points
7-8 FG
3-3 3P FG
4-5 FT

1 Rebound
4 Assists
1 Foul
36 Minutes
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Previous career high was 18 points, which was achieved in an Double OT loss last year versus Auburn (Remy played 45 of the 50 total minutes).

[paulxu]

Basically you can't touch the offensive player or cutter with any part of your body or there will likely be foul.

I'm honestly very confused by all this talk about "freedom of movement" restrictions.
I've look at all the rule change for this year. Other than expanding the arc under the basket, and help defenders not being able to move to draw a charge, I can't find any rules that expand a "freedom of movement" for the offensive player which is causing more fouls to be called. The NCAA rule changes are here:
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015-17DIMBB_Rules_Changes_20151102.pdf

It may be that what is actually happening is that they are calling rules that were actually on the books last year, just closer this year.

In fact they actually added a rule that allows contact on the offensive player by the defender; they legalized the arm bar in some cases:

When you read an article like this one, there's very little about "freedom of movement" in it; even though it's in the title:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article43710609.html

Maybe the verticality deal is some big freedom of movement; I don't know. But they took the points away from a player who is called for charging, whose shot was in the air when he charged, and it went in.

[beatuc]

Yeah, they could have called a double foul or a flagrant if they wanted to. That's what happened on the play where Macura grabbed LJ Peak around the waist and then LJ elbowed him on the chin as they both fell to the ground. For whatever reason they chose not to cause I guess it was just an "accident" that he got ran over as he tried to cut to the basket.

Impeding a guy who is cutting to the basket is also a foul under the freedom of movement rules. In theory that should benefit our backdoor cuts but it really hasn't until this play.

I'll just say the new freedom of movement rules are horrendous. You can complain and whine about them as we did but it took us 3 bad losses to bad teams to realize that these calls are not going to go away or change and that you get penalized for playing aggressive man to man D which is our trademark. Basically you can't touch the offensive player or cutter with any part of your body or there will likely be foul.

In the past we would have limited those bad teams to about 30-40 points with physical, in your face, man to man D. But we kept fouling them under the new rules, putting them on the line, getting our best defenders in foul trouble and then they just started to rain threes (sound familiar) when we backed off guarding them tight man to man. So we had to learn the hard way that under these rules you can really only protect yourself with zone and when you play man you just have to back off, play the passing lanes, try to alter or block shots with plane of verticality.

The conclusion seems to be that you just have to outscore your opponent and play D (and alot of zone) that's just not as bad as the opponent. Basically any team that is hot can win the game if they shoot lights out from 3pt or the foul line because one or the other will be there, especially if you plan man 2 man. That's why you are seeing so many upsets.
I mean our D was okay but you still scored 70 on us and shot 35% from 3. We just basically outscored you. Stick to 1-3-1. If you guys play primarily man you will learn the hard way like we did that you can't really do it.

Hoya, your team didn't lose to bad teams because of the rules. They lost because they are inconsistent in their effort so quit using bad officiating in previous games as a measuring stick for the game last night. There were some really bad calls against X at the end of the game. That doesn't mean Georgetown won because of it, it just really helped. Losing teams always will point out the horrendous calls and that's what they were. We don't need to hear that Gtown lost to Rider because of officiating because that's a load of b.s. Gtown has a huge talent gap over the bad teams that they lost to and coaching and effort were the reason. X has had more than one bad call on them this year and still won. Even with the new rules there were some bad no calls on Gtown at the end of the game, and some bad calls that went against X. X didn't deserve to win but they were still bad calls and that's not changing anybody's mind that watched the game.

[LA Muskie]

I'm honestly very confused by all this talk about "freedom of movement" restrictions.
I've look at all the rule change for this year. Other than expanding the arc under the basket, and help defenders not being able to move to draw a charge, I can't find any rules that expand a "freedom of movement" for the offensive player which is causing more fouls to be called. The NCAA rule changes are here:
https://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015-17DIMBB_Rules_Changes_20151102.pdf

It may be that what is actually happening is that they are calling rules that were actually on the books last year, just closer this year.

In fact they actually added a rule that allows contact on the offensive player by the defender; they legalized the arm bar in some cases:

When you read an article like this one, there's very little about "freedom of movement" in it; even though it's in the title:

http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/unc-now/article43710609.html

Maybe the verticality deal is some big freedom of movement; I don't know. But they took the points away from a player who is called for charging, whose shot was in the air when he charged, and it went in.
Paul, it's not really about new rules, it's much more about refined emphasis on existing rules. From the NCAA's updated 2015-17 Rules Manual (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR17.pdf) itself:

Major Officiating Concerns
The rules committee has embarked on an officiating initiative with the intent of reducing the amount of physical play and allowing more freedom of movement by requiring enforcement which is closer to the intent of the rules book. To this end, the rules committee has identified several areas of concern noted below:

Handchecking/Body Bumping
Two years ago, the committee felt that there was considerable improvement in the enforcement of the handchecking rules found in Rule 10-1.4. Unfortunately, the enforcement of these rules was not as effective during this past season and the result was less fouls being called and the return of a more physical game. This year’s initiative requires officials to return to the diligent enforcement of Rule 10-1.4 similar to that of the 2013-14 season.

Freedom of Movement
The rules committee continues to express concern that the rules relating to a player’s ability to move with or without the ball are being neglected by officials resulting in more physical play and less opportunity for scoring. Officials need to refocus their energies on penalizing illegal contact by the defense which prevents players from cutting freely, running their offense and otherwise creating a more free-flowing game.

Physical Post Play
Post play often turns into a wrestling match with both the offense and the defense attempting to establish, maintain, or defend a position on the floor. In order to clean up post play, the committee has defined a post player and permitted certain limited contact on an offensive post player by the defense. Otherwise, officials will be directed to call existing illegal acts when they occur, such as dislodging, warding off, swim strokes, and other acts which are
not permissible under the rules.

Rebounding
Illegal physical play during rebounding activities must be curtailed. Officials will be instructed to enforce pushing with arms, legs, or the body, especially when the opponent is airborne. It is also important that illegal rebounding acts be enforced during free throws.

Screening
With the increased importance of screening in most offenses, the committee believes that players, coaches and officials are not adhering to or are not enforcing the screening rules as they were intended. During the coming season, it is the intent of the committee that illegal screening as a result of the screener not being stationary when contact occurs, setting a screen too close to a moving defender, failing to give the defender enough space when setting a screen not in view of the defender and other requirements of the screening rule will be enforced strictly.

Offensive Initiated Contact with Legal Defenders
In recent years, there has been an increase in offense initiated contact on drives to the basket. Offense initiated contact on a legal defender should not be rewarded with a defensive foul. Instead, these contacts should result in a no-call or an offensive foul if sufficiently severe.

[hoyahooligan]

Georgetown shot 51% overall vs their season average going in at 43%. They also shot 40% from 3 vs a year average of 34%. Campbell was 5-7 from 3- 71.4% vs his season average of 33% and scored 21 vs a season average of 4. They just made shots. It happens. We sure didn't mind when Remy went off for 21 against Butler that wasn't typical.

That being said, our bigs sucked rocks last night. Neither Jimmy or Jalen ever got into this game mentally and we got beasted on the boards big time. Sean O' was our most effective big. And, look. No way this game was lost because of officiating. If they are going to let the game go, well then you have to adjust. There might have been a couple of missed calls, but they were on both sides. The game was lost because basically only three Xavier Musketeers actually seemed to play last night- O'Mara, Myles and Trevon. Everybody else on the roster was a virtual no-show.

Georgetown won the game. Props to them. We're still 3 in the RPI. We move on.

Hoyas shoot 36.8% from 3 on average and are the #1 3pt% in conference play at 40.4% from 3. Last night's shooting was not a fluke. Including last night Georgetown has shot over 40% from 3 in 9 different games essentially 50% of the season.

[Masterofreality]

Hoyas shoot 36.8% from 3 on average and are the #1 3pt% in conference play at 40.4% from 3. Last night's shooting was not a fluke. Including last night Georgetown has shot over 40% from 3 in 9 different games essentially 50% of the season.

Tre Campbell scored 21 last night. He averages 4. He averaged 33% from 3 for the year. He was 5-7 last night. Don't come on here acting like your guys shoot like that all the time.- except for maybe DSR. By the way. Next year don't lose to Radford or UNC Asheville.

[Hoya]

Tre Campbell scored 21 last night. He averages 4. He averaged 33% from 3 for the year. He was 5-7 last night. Don't come on here acting like your guys shoot like that all the time.- except for maybe DSR. By the way. Next year don't lose to Radford or UNC Asheville.

Actually this probably is our best 3 point shooting team in a long time. Certainly in the last 3-4 years where we had guys who just couldn't hit the wide open 3. Usually one guy other than DSR goes off from 3 on any given game whether it's Cameron or Derrickson or Campbell or Govan.

For example Cameron was 0-4 from 3 and MIA Copleand 0-2 last night and they are one of our best 3pt shooters so that kind of evens out with Tre's big night.

As far as Tre, alot was expected from him this year as our third guard and backup point guard but he started the season with an illness and hadn't really looked even competent until the last 3-4 games. His expected trajectory was around 8-10 points this year so but the illness and the problems adjusting to the new freedom of movement rules had us wondering why he had regressed.

[Hoya]

Paul, it's not really about new rules, it's much more about refined emphasis on existing rules. From the NCAA's updated 2015-17 Rules Manual (http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/BR17.pdf) itself:

Handchecking/Body Bumping
Two years ago, the committee felt that there was considerable improvement in the enforcement of the handchecking rules found in Rule 10-1.4. Unfortunately, the enforcement of these rules was not as effective during this past season and the result was less fouls being called and the return of a more physical game. This year’s initiative requires officials to return to the diligent enforcement of Rule 10-1.4 similar to that of the 2013-14 season.

Freedom of Movement
The rules committee continues to express concern that the rules relating to a player’s ability to move with or without the ball are being neglected by officials resulting in more physical play and less opportunity for scoring. Officials need to refocus their energies on penalizing illegal contact by the defense which prevents players from cutting freely, running their offense and otherwise creating a more free-flowing game.

.

Yup, these two things are the big changes.

It's basically impossible to stop dribble penetration by a skilled, quick, guard this year under these conditions. It will either be a foul or the guard will blow by you for a finish or drive and kick to a wide open 3pt shooter when you are in man to man defense.

Villanova basically lucked out with these rules because their whole game is dribble penetration drive and kick to 3pt shooters. They basically have 3 pg and Josh Hart who can dribble penetrate and everyone hits wide open 3s. That's what makes them tough because if you play man they will go to the foul line and guys will get in foul trouble but if you play zone they can still hit the 3pters from the holes in the zone.

[hoyahooligan]

Tre Campbell scored 21 last night. He averages 4. He averaged 33% from 3 for the year. He was 5-7 last night. Don't come on here acting like your guys shoot like that all the time.- except for maybe DSR. By the way. Next year don't lose to Radford or UNC Asheville.


He was averaging 4 coming into this game but He shot 36% from 3 last year, and is shooting 50% from 3 in BE play so even taking out that 5/7 he was shooting 36% from 3 in league play. He had a relatively small sample size this season since he missed a couple games early in the year due to illness and has slowly working himself back into the rotation. Tre proved he was a good shooter last year and this year when he's been healthy. If you leave a good shooter wide open they're going to knock it down. The fact that he hit open shots was not a surprise. The only surprise is that he was left so open repeatedly.

With regards to that one foul that's being discussed on here. That was a horrible call and clearly should have gone against us. No question. But that play was hardly crucial. There were plenty of calls both ways that were questionable. As there are in any game. I mean it's college basketball the refs are terrible there are nonsensical calls all the time. Completely the wrong call, but I could just as easily gripe about a number of other calls that went against the Hoyas.

[xu82]

We lost. We played poorly. GTown played well and won. It happens. Move on because we have more games to play. Hopefully they learn and grow from this. Hot and cold shooting nights happen. The rebounding was disturbing.

Maybe the "other team" Mack coaches has matured and can impart some wisdom on them.

[LA Muskie]

The rebounding thing goes pretty hand-in-hand with the shooting percentages. They had a ton of defensive rebounding opportunities, and we had (relatively) few.


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[xu82]

The rebounding thing goes pretty hand-in-hand with the shooting percentages. They had a ton of defensive rebounding opportunities, and we had (relatively) few.


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Fair point, but we usually get an impressive number of offensive rebounds. We just didn't seem to have the same intensity and aggressiveness.
Strange game.

[LA Muskie]

That's certainly true. But even at our best on the offensive glass, such a huge shooting discrepancy (we took 17 more FG attempts yet made 2 fewer) would be almost impossible to overcome. Even then we were only out-rebounded by 4 (39-35).


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[Masterofreality]

He was averaging 4 coming into this game but He shot 36% from 3 last year, and is shooting 50% from 3 in BE play so even taking out that 5/7 he was shooting 36% from 3 in league play. He had a relatively small sample size this season since he missed a couple games early in the year due to illness and has slowly working himself back into the rotation. Tre proved he was a good shooter last year and this year when he's been healthy. If you leave a good shooter wide open they're going to knock it down. The fact that he hit open shots was not a surprise. The only surprise is that he was left so open repeatedly.

Campbell shot double his career percentage...if it's 36% from three.....on the road. If he only makes 2/7 which would be his typical percentage rather than 5 it changes the whole game. Props to the kid for having a good game, but quit trying to portray it as if it was his typical walk in the park.

Look, congrats on the win, but stop trying to revise history.

[xu82]

That's certainly true. But even at our best on the offensive glass, such a huge shooting discrepancy (we took 17 more FG attempts yet made 2 fewer) would be almost impossible to overcome. Even then we were only out-rebounded by 4 (39-35).


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I'm not looking at the single game comparison as much as our average rebounding performance (+11?). That's a huge swing. At home. But yes, the shooting results were not what I expected.

[scoscox]

I agree that refereeing is just nonsensical half the time. Some of the stuff they call compared to things that are let go are just pathetic sometimes. Interior defense has become impossible and transition defense has always been impossible. Refs are just waiting for that automatic foul call in both situations regardless of what is actually happening in front of their eyes.

[hoyahooligan]

Campbell shot double his career percentage...if it's 36% from three.....on the road. If he only makes 2/7 which would be his typical percentage rather than 5 it changes the whole game. Props to the kid for having a good game, but quit trying to portray it as if it was his typical walk in the park.

Look, congrats on the win, but stop trying to revise history.

36% from 3 is clearly closer to 3/7(42%) than 2/7(28%) for starters (obviously 36% would be approximately 2.5/7 but you'd clearly round up not down in terms of made shots) and second you assume that he would've kept shooting or still be on the court if he was not making his shots early on and would've put up 7 shots and only make 2. Not sure why you're bent all out of shape about this.

Tre had a career game no one is arguing otherwise. I think you're missing the point that it was Xavier's defense or lack there of or arguably Georgetown's crisp passing that lead to wide open three point shots. A halfway decent shooter will tend to knock down uncontested 3 pointers at a higher rate that contested threes. So obviously it's not crazy to expect a good shooter to hit a high % from 3 when left unguarded. If it wasn't Tre on the receiving end and it was another one of our shooters they likely would've knocked down the open shots as well. Whether you want to blame Xavier's defense or praise Georgetown's offense it was a lay up drill for Tre in the first half. Notice Xavier guarded him much closer in the second half and he went 0-1 in the second half.

[UCGRAD4X]

36% from 3 is clearly closer to 3/7(42%) than 2/7(28%) for starters (obviously 36% would be approximately 2.5/7 but you'd clearly round up not down in terms of made shots) and second you assume that he would've kept shooting or still be on the court if he was not making his shots early on and would've put up 7 shots and only make 2. Not sure why you're bent all out of shape about this.

Tre had a career game no one is arguing otherwise. I think you're missing the point that it was Xavier's defense or lack there of or arguably Georgetown's crisp passing that lead to wide open three point shots. A halfway decent shooter will tend to knock down uncontested 3 pointers at a higher rate that contested threes. So obviously it's not crazy to expect a good shooter to hit a high % from 3 when left unguarded. If it wasn't Tre on the receiving end and it was another one of our shooters they likely would've knocked down the open shots as well. Whether you want to blame Xavier's defense or praise Georgetown's offense it was a lay up drill for Tre in the first half. Notice Xavier guarded him much closer in the second half and he went 0-1 in the second half.

I think MOR was referring to road shooting which is usually much lower. Not going to look it not going to look it up cause it really doesn't matter. Putting more pressure on the outside shooter opens up more lanes and lets slashers like DSR easy access to the hoop which was damaging as well. It can be a catch 22 sometimes and sometimes a team has to out-shoot its opponent which Xavier clearly did not.

[Masterofreality]

Hey Hoya and HoyaHooligan...where was that "best shooting Georgetown team in many years" yesterday against UCon? Seems like GTown just decided to have their "year best" shooting night against us. And as for Tre Campbell being a sniper from 3 land....1-5 yesterday.

Way to represent the league.

[LA Muskie]

Get over it MOR.


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[Masterofreality]

Get over it MOR.


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Why? Just responding to a contention that continues to prove inaccurate. Doesn't concern you, brother. Why do you even care to insert yourself into the discussion? No, don't answer that.........

[nasdadjr]

Sometimes you people are flat out annoying. What is so hard to accept that sometimes a team just shows up and plays better? Xavier played fine vs Georgetown just the Hoyas played better. I know this may come as a shock but sometimes that just happens

[Masterofreality]

Georgetown shot 51% overall vs their season average going in at 43%. They also shot 40% from 3 vs a year average of 34%. Campbell was 5-7 from 3- 71.4% vs his season average of 33% and scored 21 vs a season average of 4. They just made shots. It happens. We sure didn't mind when Remy went off for 21 against Butler that wasn't typical.

That being said, our bigs sucked rocks last night. Neither Jimmy or Jalen ever got into this game mentally and we got beasted on the boards big time. Sean O' was our most effective big. And, look. No way this game was lost because of officiating. If they are going to let the game go, well then you have to adjust. There might have been a couple of missed calls, but they were on both sides. The game was lost because basically only three Xavier Musketeers actually seemed to play last night- O'Mara, Myles and Trevon. Everybody else on the roster was a virtual no-show.

Georgetown won the game. Props to them. We're still 3 in the RPI. We move on.


Sometimes you people are flat out annoying. What is so hard to accept that sometimes a team just shows up and plays better? Xavier played fine vs Georgetown just the Hoyas played better. I know this may come as a shock but sometimes that just happens


And I said that earlier in this thread......props to them, but don't go espousing that you have a fine shooting team when the stats and game results say otherwise

[nasdadjr]

And I said that earlier in this thread......props to them, but don't go espousing that you have a fine shooting team when the stats and game results say otherwise

So u make ur determination on a team by one game. Makes sense to me. I think they call that being a troll

[Masterofreality]

So u make ur determination on a team by one game. Makes sense to me. I think they call that being a troll

What do you mean? My posts were based upon Georgetown people saying that their team was a good shooting team all year. i contested that because prior to the Xavier game that didn't show that. Then they went back to what they have normally done against UCon yesterday.

Jeezuz! Enough.

[LA Muskie]

And I said that earlier in this thread......props to them, but don't go espousing that you have a fine shooting team when the stats and game results say otherwise

The problem is that both you and the Hoya guy have been arguing the extremes. And frankly Hoya's take is more reasonable than yours.

Georgetown may not be an elite shooting team. But they're also not remotely bad. On the season they are slightly above average (as are we). They have connected on 36.2% of their 3 pt attempts, which ranks as 104. Notably, that number is dragged down by their early season struggles and is not necessarily indicative of how they are shooting now. In conference they are hitting 3's at a better than 40% clip. That's #1 in the Big East.

For comparison's sake, Villanova--which most consider a perimeter-oriented team--is only at 32% (#266) for the season and 34.8% (#4) in conference. And we are at 36.1% (#113) overall and 35.3% (#3) in conference.




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[nasdadjr]

And I said that earlier in this thread......props to them, but don't go espousing that you have a fine shooting team when the stats and game results say otherwise

I thought this was in reference to Xavier not Georgetown so my bad I retract the troll status

[nasdadjr]

I thought this was in reference to Xavier not Georgetown so my bad I retract the troll status

I saw other people piling on and decided to not read 37 pages of nonsense

[Masterofreality]

I saw other people piling on and decided to not read 37 pages of nonsense

No worries.