I love the Big East. So glad the A-10 provided X the means to get here.

[muskiefan82]

The Big East has NO schools over 200 in the RPI. The A-10 has two. 5 of 10 (half for you math scholars) of the Big East teams are top 40 RPI teams. HALF!! Only 3 of 14 in the A-10. Plus, and this is the part that is more subjective than anything, the worst RPI teams in the Big East are DePaul and St. Johns. People, voters, casual fans, have heard of both schools. They believe them relevant. The bottom two in the A-10 are Saint Louis and LaSalle. People don't care about them. Even when X struggles on the road and beats St. Johns, it's a better perceived win than clobbering most of the A-10 schools by 50. I love this conference.

Rank School
1 Xavier
2 Villanova
21 Providence
37 Butler
39 Seton Hall
104 Marquette
106 Georgetown
124 Creighton
163 DePaul
190 St. John's

Rank School
11 Dayton
30 George Washington
32 Davidson
45 Saint Joseph's
70 St. Bonaventure
99 Rhode Island
101 VCU
105 Richmond
133 Duquesne
145 Massachusetts
158 Fordham
181 George Mason
203 Saint Louis
271 La Salle

[kyxu]

My God, are there 60 teams in the Atlantic 10?

[xukeith]

My God, are there 60 teams in the Atlantic 10?

Stats. I couls spin this.
A10 has more top 100 teams: 6 vs 5 BE

[X-band '01]

The Big East is collectively 7-2 against the A-10 this season. Only Seton Hall (at GW) and St. John's (at Fordham) tripped up.

What makes this even more amazing is that 5 of the 9 games were played on A-10 home courts; only 2 games (GW at DePaul, La Salle at Villanova) were played on Big East home courts. Creighton beat UMass in Las Vegas and the Overlords took care of business in Orlando.

[xubrew]

The top of the A10 would finish in the middle of the Big East.

The bottom of the A10 would finish in the middle of the Patriot League.

[paulxu]

We keep on helping Dayton's RPI.

[GoMuskies]

We keep on helping Dayton's RPI.

And they keep on helping ours. This is symbiotic.

[muskiefan82]

Stats. I couls spin this.
A10 has more top 100 teams: 6 vs 5 BE

True, but the beauty of the BE is that the lowest rated team, St. Johns, is perceived (I believe) as a more relevant team than almost the entire A-10. Winning at #190 St. Johns carries more "name" weight that beating #32 Davidson to the casual fan.

I think it matters to recruits, if not the basketball stats guys.

[Snipe]

I loved the A-10. Dayton has a huge opportunity to learn from our experience and own that league. It is a fun league to own.

The Big East is awesome. I never want to go to divisions or give up the true round robin. I say no to all expansion. I love home and homes and we will have a rivalry with every team in this league. It is fantastic.

I want to make it to Madison Square Garden this year. Our conference is an upgrade, and the conference tournament is one hell of an upgrade.

[xubrew]

I loved the A-10. Dayton has a huge opportunity to learn from our experience and own that league. It is a fun league to own.

The A10 would have been, and still could be, a much better league if it just wasn't for the A10.

I did like, and still do like, a lot of the individual programs in the league, but the conference as a whole drove me crazy. I don't miss it at all. Duquesne got more NCAA Tournament money than we did, which was outrageous, but still doesn't even crack the top ten of outrageous Atlantic Ten things.

[xu82]

The A10 was a great step in our progress. I'm thankful for those years, and I'm glad to have moved on to where we are. No regrets or hatred. Good for them, as long as they are always the little brother.

[xudash]

The A10 would have been, and still could be, a much better league if it just wasn't for the A10.

I did like, and still do like, a lot of the individual programs in the league, but the conference as a whole drove me crazy. I don't miss it at all. Duquesne got more NCAA Tournament money than we did, which was outrageous, but still doesn't even crack the top ten of outrageous Atlantic Ten things.

I'm sincerely curious: how did Duquesne pull that off?

[xubrew]

I'm sincerely curious: how did Duquesne pull that off?

When you figure that out you tell me.

[XU 87]

A few A-10 thoughts:

Jim Crews did a good job of coaching Majerus' players. Now the program is in a free fall.

It appears VCU will fall back into mediocrity now that Shaka is gone.

Duquesne, Fordham and LaSalle (except for one year) again show that their programs are awful.

Brew, do you have a link to support that Duquesne got more NCAA money than Xavier? I just can't believe that's true.

[Masterofreality]

A few A-10 thoughts:

Jim Crews did a good job of coaching Majerus' players. Now the program is in a free fall.

It appears VCU will fall back into mediocrity now that Shaka is gone.

Duquesne, Fordham and LaSalle (except for one year) again show that their programs are awful.

Brew, do you have a link to support that Duquesne got more NCAA money than Xavier? I just can't believe that's true.

Add:

When Archie leaves, and he will, VDump will return to it's no Tourney mode.

St. Joes will continue to have 2 decent years, 4 lousy years

George Mason was another Fordham-esque addition....but in a county, not a city.

Olean Welding Academy is still in the middle of nowhere

No matter what Rhode Island does it will still be in the middle of nowhere, but in a nicer building.

UMess is still coached by Derek Kellogg....and in the middle of nowhere.

[paulxu]

rew, do you have a link to support that Duquesne got more NCAA money than Xavier? I just can't believe that's true.

He may be referring to the NCAA credits that Xavier left with the A10 when we went to the BE.
That should have been a substantial sum, building through the years of our appearances, including S16's. (don't think any E8 money was left)
Assumedly the conference might have split that with it's members, and have a 100% of the winnings to split, rather than I think the 25% they normally split (I think the school who earned it got to keep 75%. May be wrong about that)

At any rate, 1/14th or whatever of 25% may have been far less than 1/12th (Butler and Xavier leave) of what we left behind.
Additionally, maybe it was even more if they prevented newer conference members to share in it.

That's my WAG for tonight.

[X-band '01]

Add:

When Archie leaves, and he will, VDump will return to it's no Tourney mode.

St. Joes will continue to have 2 decent years, 4 lousy years

George Mason was another Fordham-esque addition....but in a county, not a city.

Olean Welding Academy is still in the middle of nowhere

No matter what Rhode Island does it will still be in the middle of nowhere, but in a nicer building.

UMess is still coached by Derek Kellogg....and in the middle of nowhere.

As long as Mark Schmidt coaches the Bonnies, they'll be competitive in the A-10. Unless they get another playmaker like Andrew Nicholson, they'll be hard-pressed getting NCAA bids, however.

[Thor in 204]

Being a member of the BE, I think, puts even more of a premium on coaching. Our conference rivals are much more on equal footing with us in terms of ability to recruit high level players, so there's not as much talent variation in the BE as in the A10. Coaches abilities to recruit and develop players, and to lead their teams in games and in practice and in everything coaches do probably account for relatively more of the success of BE teams than of A10 teams. We are lucky to have Chris Mack and should continue to make strong efforts to keep him here.

[xubrew]

A few A-10 thoughts:

Jim Crews did a good job of coaching Majerus' players. Now the program is in a free fall.

It appears VCU will fall back into mediocrity now that Shaka is gone.

Duquesne, Fordham and LaSalle (except for one year) again show that their programs are awful.

Brew, do you have a link to support that Duquesne got more NCAA money than Xavier? I just can't believe that's true.

You're worse than my boss!! It's Saturday and you're making me work!!!

This wasn't as easy to find as I thought, but this the best I can do. There are several graphs and charts here, so make sure you're looking at the right one. Scroll down to the MAKERS AND TAKERS graph, and make sure you're looking at EARNED VS RECEIVED.

Now, you have to go over to the Atlantic Ten, which is on the bottom part of the graph. Then, you'll see those little bars right above the A10. Each one of those is a team. Hold your mouse arrow over it and it will tell you how much each team earned and received. Duquesne earned $0, but got $8.74 million. Xavier earned $31.96 million, but only received $6.5 million.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-basketball-fund/

Truthfully this was just one of the things that I hated about the A10, although there were certainly other things. Fordham, Duquesne, and those programs can shit in their hats. People hate Dayton, but at least they did SOMETHING. They didn't just sit there, not give a shit, take our money, and do nothing with it. It's Fordham and Duquesne that I never want to see again.

I don't miss the A10, and all I've got to say to more than half the league is "you're welcome, but not really, and you're not ever getting any more."

[X-band '01]

That's not true. They'll just mooch off of Dayton now.

[xubrew]

Dayton, GW, SLU, VCU, Richmond, Rhody, and Joe's really should just leave. Wichita, Valpo, and Belmont are all strong basketball programs. They could hook up with with a few of them and have an 8, 9, or 10 team league that's hands down better than the A10 with a solid TV deal and fair revenue sharing.

Well, they should invite SLU under the condition that they get rid of Crews.

[xudash]

That's not true. They'll just mooch off of Dayton now.

Good luck generating $32 million through them, especially after Archie leaves.

Brew, I'm on your page now; forgot about that analysis.

[X-band '01]

Good luck generating $32 million through them, especially after Archie leaves.

Brew, I'm on your page now; forgot about that analysis.

Dash, it's going to take a major job to get Archie to leave Dayton. He's not leaving for a low or mid-level team in a power conference.

It would be awesome if Mike Bobinski finally puts Brian Gregory out of his misery and manages to hire Archie Miller.

[xudash]

Dash, it's going to take a major job to get Archie to leave Dayton. He's not leaving for a low or mid-level team in a power conference.

It would be awesome if Mike Bobinski finally puts Brian Gregory out of his misery and manages to hire Archie Miller.

I agree with you band, but he is a Miller with ambition; anyone with a clue knows he won't stay in Dayton for the duration.

[UCGRAD4X]

You're worse than my boss!! It's Saturday and you're making me work!!!

This wasn't as easy to find as I thought, but this the best I can do. There are several graphs and charts here, so make sure you're looking at the right one. Scroll down to the MAKERS AND TAKERS graph, and make sure you're looking at EARNED VS RECEIVED.

Now, you have to go over to the Atlantic Ten, which is on the bottom part of the graph. Then, you'll see those little bars right above the A10. Each one of those is a team. Hold your mouse arrow over it and it will tell you how much each team earned and received. Duquesne earned $0, but got $8.74 million. Xavier earned $31.96 million, but only received $6.5 million.

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-basketball-fund/

Truthfully this was just one of the things that I hated about the A10, although there were certainly other things. Fordham, Duquesne, and those programs can shit in their hats. People hate Dayton, but at least they did SOMETHING. They didn't just sit there, not give a shit, take our money, and do nothing with it. It's Fordham and Duquesne that I never want to see again.

I don't miss the A10, and all I've got to say to more than half the league is "you're welcome, but not really, and you're not ever getting any more."

Why do they have Xavier in the Horizon in 95?

[vee4xu]

When Matta bolted after three years, X asked Sean to make a 5 year commitment as head coach. He did so and then booked for Arizona as soon as it ended. This year, Archie completes year 5 at dayton and surely he's being schooled by Sean as to how to make his exit. Whether he does so or not is probably rooted in that sort of thing versus anything else. I don't follow ud at all, but someone told me that many of his players are juniors this year and that next year was really the year ud's shooting for to make a big slash. Others of you who follow ud will know more about that and if true, whether it would factor into Archie hanging around after this year ends.

[xubrew]

Why do they have Xavier in the Horizon in 95?

Payouts are over six years. I can only assume Xavier got to keep their credits even though they weren't in the league anymore.

EDIT: Nevermind, Xavier was still in the HL in 1995. The name of the league changed, but it's still the same league. I think it used to be called the MCC.

[GoMuskies]

Xavier was in the Horizon/MCC in 94-95. Went 14-0.

[xubrew]

He may be referring to the NCAA credits that Xavier left with the A10 when we went to the BE.
That should have been a substantial sum, building through the years of our appearances, including S16's. (don't think any E8 money was left)
Assumedly the conference might have split that with it's members, and have a 100% of the winnings to split, rather than I think the 25% they normally split (I think the school who earned it got to keep 75%. May be wrong about that)

At any rate, 1/14th or whatever of 25% may have been far less than 1/12th (Butler and Xavier leave) of what we left behind.
Additionally, maybe it was even more if they prevented newer conference members to share in it.

That's my WAG for tonight.

I don't know how the A10 shares their money. I just know that when I saw the numbers at the end of each year, we were getting way less than what seemed fair, while other teams who had never even made the tournament were getting more money than we were. I don't know. Dash asked how that's possible, and I'm not sure. When someone figures that out they need to explain it to me. Or not. I don't care anymore.

[UCGRAD4X]

I don't know how the A10 shares their money. I just know that when I saw the numbers at the end of each year, we were getting way less than what seemed fair, while other teams who had never even made the tournament were getting more money than we were. I don't know. Dash asked how that's possible, and I'm not sure. When someone figures that out they need to explain it to me. Or not. I don't care anymore.

I just hope the deal with the Big East is not so...well...stupid!

[Masterofreality]

I don't miss the A10, and all I've got to say to more than half the league is "you're welcome, but not really, and you're not ever getting any more."

Thank you!

[Masterofreality]

Dash, it's going to take a major job to get Archie to leave Dayton. He's not leaving for a low or mid-level team in a power conference.

It would be awesome if Mike Bobinski finally puts Brian Gregory out of his misery and manages to hire Archie Miller.

Oh, Gawd, Band. That would be the Final Troll Job of all time!!!!!

It could happen!!!!

[Masterofreality]

I don't know how the A10 shares their money. I just know that when I saw the numbers at the end of each year, we were getting way less than what seemed fair, while other teams who had never even made the tournament were getting more money than we were. I don't know. Dash asked how that's possible, and I'm not sure. When someone figures that out they need to explain it to me. Or not. I don't care anymore.


I just hope the deal with the Big East is not so...well...stupid!

It's not. Blame Linda Blutarsky, the worst Commissioner of all time for the A10 ludicrousness.

[waggy]

A lot of the disparity is because teams moved conferences. This can be seen in the $$ distribution to BE teams too. And then there are schools like Rutgers that never earned a dime for the BE, took $15 mil, and then got to leave to the B1G.

[Masterofreality]

A lot of the disparity is because teams moved conferences. This can be seen in the $$ distribution to BE teams too. And then there are schools like Rutgers that never earned a dime for the BE, took $15 mil, and then got to leave to the B1G.

So, in other words...to make money, just keep standing in a pile of dung, never move, and don't make an effort to improve yourself.

Hmmmmmmm, sounds a lot like the Liberal Welfare System.

[muethibp]

Dash, it's going to take a major job to get Archie to leave Dayton. He's not leaving for a low or mid-level team in a power conference.

It would be awesome if Mike Bobinski finally puts Brian Gregory out of his misery and manages to hire Archie Miller.

Signature win today for Gregory/G-Tech (over UVA). They're not having a bad year.

[xudash]

Signature win today for Gregory/G-Tech (over UVA). They're not having a bad year.

So, it wasn't about Gregory being a bad coach, it was about Gregory being constrained by coaching at UDump.

[kyxu]

So, it wasn't about Gregory being a bad coach, it was about Gregory being constrained by coaching at UDump.

No, he was a bad coach

[UCGRAD4X]

So, with all the RPI-draining crap we endured in the A10 - and the financial stupidity that has been mentioned - why does the league deserve any credit for Xavier getting to this point? We made that league! We succeeded DESPITE the shit-storm that was the Atlantic 10. That league may have kept us from getting here sooner, and if the cluster-f*ck that was run-away realignment had not taken place, we might still be suffering that quagmire of piss and manure.

Good f'in riddance!

[X-band '01]

Temple and UMass-Calipari may have something to say about that.

[GoMuskies]

So, with all the RPI-draining crap we endured in the A10 - and the financial stupidity that has been mentioned - why does the league deserve any credit for Xavier getting to this point? We made that league! We succeeded DESPITE the shit-storm that was the Atlantic 10. That league may have kept us from getting here sooner, and if the cluster-f*ck that was run-away realignment had not taken place, we might still be suffering that quagmire of piss and manure.

Good f'in riddance!

Because going from the MCC to the A-10 was just a big a step up for us as going from the A-10 to Big East was. The A-10 was a fantastic home for us for a long time. Our new home just happens to be much better.

[UCGRAD4X]

Because going from the MCC to the A-10 was just a big a step up for us as going from the A-10 to Big East was. The A-10 was a fantastic home for us for a long time. Our new home just happens to be much better.

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying the A10 was a good home because of its flagship. We made it a good league.

[xudash]

So, with all the RPI-draining crap we endured in the A10 - and the financial stupidity that has been mentioned - why does the league deserve any credit for Xavier getting to this point? We made that league! We succeeded DESPITE the shit-storm that was the Atlantic 10. That league may have kept us from getting here sooner, and if the cluster-f*ck that was run-away realignment had not taken place, we might still be suffering that quagmire of piss and manure.

Good f'in riddance!

I was excited and proud when X joined the A10. It was clearly a step up from the MCC at the time.

It became the platform from which Xavier shed the mid-major label, becoming over time a program that was regarded as a high-major along with Gonzaga and Memphis - high majors outside of those that comprised BCS conferences.

I feel exactly the same way you do about the lack of program consistency (having to be stuck with LossSalle, Duquesne and Fordham) and how the finances were handled, as well as the ineffective management that was in place and the terrible media package that we suffered through. Hell, we came up with our own FOXOHIO package for years. Then there was the conference tournament mess.

Yet, when it is all said and done, that conference enabled us to be better; to get to the BE. I think we certainly contributed a disproportionate amount of value to it. Perhaps it simply ended up being a necessary step along the way.

[Masterofreality]

So, with all the RPI-draining crap we endured in the A10 - and the financial stupidity that has been mentioned - why does the league deserve any credit for Xavier getting to this point? We made that league! We succeeded DESPITE the shit-storm that was the Atlantic 10. That league may have kept us from getting here sooner, and if the cluster-f*ck that was run-away realignment had not taken place, we might still be suffering that quagmire of piss and manure.

Good f'in riddance!

I agree with this. And as to Calapari, the guy has had his tournament results at UMess vacated. That's some legacy.

As to Temple, last time I checked, despite all the publicity as to Chaney, they only went as far as Xavier in the Dance while they were in the A10- Elite 8. We saved that league from falling totally off the radar.

[X-band '01]

Only his 1996 NCAA Tournament run was vacated. Everything from 1992 to 1995 stands in the NCAA books.

Temple also managed multiple Elite 8 runs - 1988, 1993 and 2001. They were #1 for a good part of 1988 as well; Xavier has yet to reach that mark.

[LA Muskie]

I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying the A10 was a good home because of its flagship. We made it a good league.

Were you alive in 1994-95? The A-10 became our league. But it didn't start that way. It was a huge step up for us at the time.


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[Masterofreality]

Only his 1996 NCAA Tournament run was vacated. Everything from 1992 to 1995 stands in the NCAA books.

Temple also managed multiple Elite 8 runs - 1988, 1993 and 2001. They were #1 for a good part of 1988 as well; Xavier has yet to reach that mark.

What? We're #1 now...in RPI. Screw the biased polls! :laugh:

And we made multiple Elite 8 runs too. The A10 was good for our progression, but quite frankly, we progressed mostly on our own, with little help from the overall league. That's why we had to start beefing up our non-conference schedule because we knew we'd take a hit when the piss-ants like Fordham, LaSuck and Dookcane appeared. Plus VDump did the league few benefits.

[muskienick]

What? We're #1 now...in RPI. Screw the biased polls! :laugh:

And we made multiple Elite 8 runs too. The A10 was good for our progression, but quite frankly, we progressed mostly on our own, with little help from the overall league. That's why we had to start beefing up our non-conference schedule because we knew we'd take a hit when the piss-ants like Fordham, LaSuck and Dookcane appeared. Plus VDump did the league few benefits.

Amen, MOR!!! You may be whistling Dixie when the subject is Global warming. But you are spot-on (as the Brits would say) when the subject turns to Muskie Basketball!!!

[XUGRAD80]

Because going from the MCC to the A-10 was just a big a step up for us as going from the A-10 to Big East was.


IMO it was even a bigger jump, moving into the A-10. Not only was it a huge jump up in quality of teams, but it meant moving into new markets and trying to attract a caliper of recruit that Xavier had not been attracting before. It also meant recruiting against schools X had not competed against much in the past. The current BE is a great product and I am very happy X is in it. But I think that X was a slam dunk for the league. Bringing X into the fold was a major get for the other teams of the BE and gave them an established presence outside the east coast. Xavier had already been competing on a level at or above the rest of the BE schools when this league was formed. There was some doubt about Xavier's ability to compete at the A-10 level when they went into that conference, even though they had been dominate in the MCC. East coast BB was considered to be a big step up in quality at that time. Some of that may have been east coast media bias, but some of it was certainly earned as well. X simply outgrew the A-10 over time, but I doubt there were any who foresaw that happening when X first went in. The current BE is a perfect fit for X and I see the league growing right along with X into a highly successful college sports league.

[XU 87]

I don't know how the A10 shares their money. I just know that when I saw the numbers at the end of each year, we were getting way less than what seemed fair, while other teams who had never even made the tournament were getting more money than we were. I don't know. Dash asked how that's possible, and I'm not sure. When someone figures that out they need to explain it to me. Or not. I don't care anymore.

It looks like the A-10 shared all NCAA tourney money equally. X left the conference, and didn't receive money it would have received had it stayed. Duquesne stayed in the conference and got its share of that money.

If you want to argue that it was ridiculous that X and Duquesne should be sharing money equally, I have no dispute with that. It was ridiculous to reward Duquesne, who did nothing other than bringing down X's RPI every year, equally to X.

[bobbiemcgee]

We'll get plenty of ncaa units in the new League, with 60% 0f the league going last yr., and only having to split 10 ways. 'Nother good reason to stay @ 10.

[paulxu]

NM

[xubrew]

It looks like the A-10 shared all NCAA tourney money equally. X left the conference, and didn't receive money it would have received had it stayed. Duquesne stayed in the conference and got its share of that money.

If you want to argue that it was ridiculous that X and Duquesne should be sharing money equally, I have no dispute with that. It was ridiculous to reward Duquesne, who did nothing other than bringing down X's RPI every year, equally to X.

I understand how us leaving could/would result in us giving up credits. But, why were we getting less than Duquesne BEFORE we left??

I would check this every year, and still do. Don't ask me why because the best answer I can give is that I'm interested in things that other people probably find to be very boring, such as this. We were getting less than other teams in the A10 before we made it known that we were leaving. Or, at least, we appeared to be. Why was that??

Screw the A10. Seriously. There are several individual programs in the A10 that I do respect, but I don't miss the league at all. I don't miss their shitty TV deal that could have and should have been better, but wasn't. I hate buy games, and I don't miss being in a league with teams who played a bunch of buy games, but on the RECEIVING end. I don't miss their unfair revenue sharing which seems to give more money to the programs who do nothing and less to the programs that actually do something. I wanted to leave a long time before we actually did. I think I said several times how we and about five or six other teams should just leave the conference and form our own and invite other schools such as Wichita, Creighton, Belmont, etc to join us. But, I guess it worked out well for us. I still think there are five or six programs in the A10 that would be better served going out on their own and forming their own league with two or three other quality basketball centric schools. But, it's really not our problem or concern anymore. Thank God.

[paulxu]

I understand how us leaving could/would result in us giving up credits. But, why were we getting less than Duquesne BEFORE we left??

I would check this every year, and still do. Don't ask me why because the best answer I can give is that I'm interested in things that other people probably find to be very boring, such as this. We were getting less than other teams in the A10 before we made it known that we were leaving. Or, at least, we appeared to be. Why was that??

I can't imagine X being in a league for 18 years where it didn't get an equal share of NCAA credits earned. Where did you see this?

[xubrew]

I can't imagine X being in a league for 18 years where it didn't get an equal share of NCAA credits earned. Where did you see this?

On sites like Boomberg that would report the earnings and sharing. I can't go back and find the old reports. I don't even know if they're still out there. If you look through the archives from six or seven years ago there may be posts where I'm bitching about it.

I do have to ask, though. Is it really hard for you to imagine that the A10 would do something unimaginable??

[paulxu]

I'm pretty sure the NCAA $ that is doled out to the schools (some is kept by the conference) is shared equally in the A10. I use to think the "earner" got more, but am probably wrong about that. If you look at this report, you can calculate what a school gets:

http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-march-madness-basketball-fund/

Fordham and X joined at the same time (1995)
Fordham hasn't contributed one NCAA $, but has received 8.16 million, the same as La Salle who also joined in '95.
La Salle has contributed some from their S16 run.

Xavier contributed 31.96 million, but only received 6.52 before leaving.

George Mason came the year we left, has contributed 0, but earned 1.65 million. If we were still in, that 1.65 plus our 6.52 would take us right to Fordham's number.

So I think the splits have been even among members over the years.

[Masterofreality]

I understand how us leaving could/would result in us giving up credits. But, why were we getting less than Duquesne BEFORE we left??

I would check this every year, and still do. Don't ask me why because the best answer I can give is that I'm interested in things that other people probably find to be very boring, such as this. We were getting less than other teams in the A10 before we made it known that we were leaving. Or, at least, we appeared to be. Why was that??

Screw the A10. Seriously. There are several individual programs in the A10 that I do respect, but I don't miss the league at all. I don't miss their shitty TV deal that could have and should have been better, but wasn't. I hate buy games, and I don't miss being in a league with teams who played a bunch of buy games, but on the RECEIVING end. I don't miss their unfair revenue sharing which seems to give more money to the programs who do nothing and less to the programs that actually do something. I wanted to leave a long time before we actually did. I think I said several times how we and about five or six other teams should just leave the conference and form our own and invite other schools such as Wichita, Creighton, Belmont, etc to join us. But, I guess it worked out well for us. I still think there are five or six programs in the A10 that would be better served going out on their own and forming their own league with two or three other quality basketball centric schools. But, it's really not our problem or concern anymore. Thank God.

This, 1000%.

Know what's even worse? We f-ing subsidized VDump during this same time period....and they still hate us----those damn ingrates.

I hate the A10 and have for years. We got royally screwed on money and for the prestige and pub we brought to that fleabag league. Bernie McGlade was better than Linda Blutarsky, but only by a few degrees. They certainly are not a Val Ackerman. She's a real adminstrator with some Gravitas.

[paulxu]

True. Even with their E8 run, they are still a net negative in money earned vs. money taken out of the pot.

Only St Joes and GW of the teams in the A10 now have earned more than they've taken.

[Masterofreality]

Nothing drove me more nuts than to know that going into EACH year that there was NO chance-year, after year, after year after year that Fordham, Charlotte, UMess (mostly), Rhode Island, Olean Welding Academy, Dookcane, LaSuck, and even VD had to earn NCAA credits for the league. Forget the crappy NIT- no benefit. Those schools represent more than half of the total league that had no chance. There was never any dictate to either "get better or get kicked out". Then after Xavier and Butler left, they go back and compromise with a George Mason whose only benefit is that they caught lightning in a bottle one year with a coach who is no longer there- the epitome of "a coach...not a program".

We were the Flagship of a Fleabag and we did very well, but we did the heavy lifting on our own, got no help, and got screwed in the process. F-em!!!!

[muskiefan82]

Being the flagship of a fleabag is what allowed Xavier to get the invite to the Big East so hating the A-10 is fine, but it WAS beneficial to Xavier in the end.

[Masterofreality]

Being the flagship of a fleabag is what allowed Xavier to get the invite to the Big East so hating the A-10 is fine, but it WAS beneficial to Xavier in the end.

Right....but we did it on our own with no help from freaking Linda Blutarsky and her plan to "establish the league in NYC"...with a school barely better than Manhattan.

[markchal]

It's still surreal at times to be in the Big East. It makes the season so much more enjoyable when the worst teams you watch are DePaul and St. John's, rather than a Fordham or Charlotte.

[xubrew]

Right....but we did it on our own with no help from freaking Linda Blutarsky and her plan to "establish the league in NYC"...with a school barely better than Manhattan.

Basketball wise, Fordham was nowhere close to Manhattan. Or Iona, or Saint Francis Brooklyn, or LIU Brooklyn, or Hofstra, or even Columbia. Now, Jeff Neubauer is doing a very good job in his first year there, but there was maybe one season out of twenty where Fordham fielded a team that looked like it could finish in the top half of the Northeast Conference or the MAAC. Manhattan would have been a significant upgrade.

[muskiefan82]

Basketball wise, Fordham was nowhere close to Manhattan. Or Iona, or Saint Francis Brooklyn, or LIU Brooklyn, or Hofstra, or even Columbia. Now, Jeff Neubauer is doing a very good job in his first year there, but there was maybe one season out of twenty where Fordham fielded a team that looked like it could finish in the top half of the Northeast Conference or the MAAC. Manhattan would have been a significant upgrade.

They are; however, nicknamed the Rams so they have to stay in the A-10 which is the home of the Rams. Fordham, URI-Nation, and VCU.

[XUFan09]

Basketball wise, Fordham was nowhere close to Manhattan. Or Iona, or Saint Francis Brooklyn, or LIU Brooklyn, or Hofstra, or even Columbia. Now, Jeff Neubauer is doing a very good job in his first year there, but there was maybe one season out of twenty where Fordham fielded a team that looked like it could finish in the top half of the Northeast Conference or the MAAC. Manhattan would have been a significant upgrade.
Yeah, I was gonna say that Manhattan is much better than Fordham.

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[X-band '01]

Basketball wise, Fordham was nowhere close to Manhattan. Or Iona, or Saint Francis Brooklyn, or LIU Brooklyn, or Hofstra, or even Columbia. Now, Jeff Neubauer is doing a very good job in his first year there, but there was maybe one season out of twenty where Fordham fielded a team that looked like it could finish in the top half of the Northeast Conference or the MAAC. Manhattan would have been a significant upgrade.

The worst Fordham teams would fit it nicely in the Northeast Conference, but there's no way in hell they'd be competitive in the MAAC.

[bjf123]

Yeah, I was gonna say that Manhattan is much better than Fordham.

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To quote Mick Cronin from a few years ago, "You don't think St. John's would win the A-10?"


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[KabeX]

To quote Mick Cronin from a few years ago, "You don't think St. John's would win the A-10?"


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+1.

Had the same thought.

[Masterofreality]

Basketball wise, Fordham was nowhere close to Manhattan. Or Iona, or Saint Francis Brooklyn, or LIU Brooklyn, or Hofstra, or even Columbia. Now, Jeff Neubauer is doing a very good job in his first year there, but there was maybe one season out of twenty where Fordham fielded a team that looked like it could finish in the top half of the Northeast Conference or the MAAC. Manhattan would have been a significant upgrade.

Fair argument, and I accept. But the bottom line is that in even that comparison, Blutarsky screwed it up. Just like Putting George Mason in the league by McGlade. The pattern of incompetence just continues. Too bad that our excellence is still paying that flotsam and jetsam.

[XUMIOH12]

Fair argument, and I accept. But the bottom line is that in even that comparison, Blutarsky screwed it up. Just like Putting George Mason in the league by McGlade. The pattern of incompetence just continues. Too bad that our excellence is still paying that flotsam and jetsam.

you love using the words flotsam and jetsam. I think its great haha.

[X-band '01]

I'm sure MOR's granddaughters have The Little Mermaid on an endless loop - there's no other explanation.

[Masterofreality]

Nah. I just love those words. So much better than crude obscenities. :biggrin:

[GoMuskies]

I think McGlade has been pretty much on point with respect to realignment. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her additions were Davidson, Butler, VCU and George Mason. That's a very solid 75% hit rate.

[Masterofreality]

I think McGlade has been pretty much on point with respect to realignment. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think her additions were Davidson, Butler, VCU and George Mason. That's a very solid 75% hit rate.

Well, Butler's gone already. Geo Mason sucks. VCU will suck once the last vestige of Havoc is gone and Davidson is a nice little program in a nice little town with nice little people that somehow got a bump with Steph Curry but is little again. No props.

The A10 does rule the city of Richmond- that huge media market- though...there's that.

[smileyy]

The A10 does rule the city of Richmond- that huge media market- though...there's that.

I was about to make a suggestion that some teams in the A-10 cut ties with the northeastern roots, and establish a midwest-oriented basketball league....then I saw how bad St. Louis gotten. Rick Majerus was the only one keeping them on the map, huh?

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was about to make a suggestion that some teams in the A-10 cut ties with the northeastern roots, and establish a midwest-oriented basketball league....then I saw how bad St. Louis gotten. Rick Majerus was the only one keeping them on the map, huh?

There is absolutely no reason SLU shouldn't have a successful basketball program. Need to get Crews out ASAP and hire an up and coming hungry coach. Good market, beautiful campus, good local talent, great on campus arena. Similar overall school to Xavier just a little bigger, with a nicer campus, and smarter students!:biggrin:

[Masterofreality]

There is absolutely no reason SLU shouldn't have a successful basketball program. Need to get Crews out ASAP and hire an up and coming hungry coach. Good market, beautiful campus, good local talent, great on campus arena. Similar overall school to Xavier just a little bigger, with a nicer campus, and smarter students!:biggrin:

Shhhhhhh. That would be the perfect job for Travis "Steal".

[Xavier]

Didn't Travis go for the NKU job? Could be wrong, may have read someone thinking he should or they should offer him and for whatever reason remember it for him trying to get it.

[X-band '01]

I'm still puzzled why Northern Kentucky fired Dave Bezold after last season. Unless he wasn't able to recruit, what else more could he have done on the court? And this was BEFORE Grand Canyon and Dan Majerle got off to an exceptional start this year by transitional program standards.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Shhhhhhh. That would be the perfect job for Travis "Steal".

Shit MOR, you are right, if we have to lose him though I'd love for him to go to SLU.

[mid major]

It's still surreal at times to be in the Big East. It makes the season so much more enjoyable when the worst teams you watch are DePaul and St. John's, rather than a Fordham or Charlotte.

I saw last week how the Priders were making fun of the Georgetown-Creighton game. Really? I guess LaSalle-UMass would be more entertaining.

[Xpectations]

Some interesting A-10 related stats I saw when looking at the Sagarin Rankings today...

Xavier has as many wins against the Sagarin Top 50 (seven) as the entire Atlantic Ten
No team in the Atlantic Ten has more than 2 victories against the Sagarin Top 50
Xavier is 7-1 against the Sagarin Top 50
The Atlantic Ten is 7-48 against the Sagarin Top 50