XAVIER vs DEPAUL

[MADXSTER]

1893 vs 1894

#6 Xavier University Musketeers (14-1) RPI 1, SOS 7, KENPOM 11
W Miami(OH) 81-72
W Missouri 78-66
W Michigan 86-70
W NKU 78-66
W Alabama 64-45
W USC 87-77
W _ayton 90-61
W Western Kentucky 95-64
W Wright State 90-55
W Cincinnati 65-55
W Auburn 85-61
W Wake Forest 78-70
L Villanova 95-64
W Butler 88-69
W St Johns 74-66


vs DePaul Blue Demons (6-9) RPI 171, SOS 80, KENPOM 160
W Western Michigan 69-63
L Penn St 68-62
L South Carolina 76-61
L Florida St 86-67
W Norfolk St 82-78
W Illinois Chicago 85-55
W Chicago St 96-72
W Drake 74-71
L Arkansas Little Rock 66-44
L Stanford 79-60
L Northwestern 78-70
W George Washington 82-61
L Georgetown 70-58
L Seton Hall 78-74
L Butler 77-72
L Georgetown 74-63



Location: Cintas Center
Tuesday Jan 12th 2015 at 6:30pm EST
Television: FS1
Radio: 700WLW-AM with play-by-play from Xavier Hall of Famer and former Musketeer standout Joe Sunderman ('79). Analysis will be provided by Xavier Hall of Famer and XU all-time leading scorer Byron Larkin ('88).

[MADXSTER]

So it appears that DePauls best wins based on RPI is

34 George Washington
221 Norfolk State
250 Western Michigan
293 Drake
319 Chicago State
345 Illinois Chicago

Ouch!!!

[XU 23]

0-4 in Big East play. Yikes.

[X-band '01]

They've actually been competitive in all 4 Big East games so far. Just don't know how to finish yet.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I watched them against Georgetown. Garrett is a dribble drive guard and creates either for himself or others. Once he was taken out of that mode DePaul wilted, they have no shooters or at least they were all cold at Georgetown.

[Muskie]

I watched them against Georgetown. Garrett is a dribble drive guard and creates either for himself or others. Once he was taken out of that mode DePaul wilted, they have no shooters or at least they were all cold at Georgetown.

I too watched this game. I couldn't decide if DePaul was improved or whether Gtown was just struggling. Can't take anyone for granted. Fordham isn't coming to town tomorrow night. Could be a trap game.

[profson]

Any ideas how to access the game from France without infecting my computer? iHeart does not work outside the U.S. and I suspect the Fox streaming app won't either.

[drudy23]

SJU was really bad...these guys are worst.

Jut hope they don't treat it like NKU.

[XUFan09]

SJU was really bad...these guys are worst.

Jut hope they don't treat it like NKU.
That's not true. DePaul is a much better team. St. John's is easily the worst team in the Big East. For reference, DePaul is 160th in Kenpom and SJU is 226th.

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[drudy23]

Same boat...out in CA...any ways to stream the game? Of course, it will be at 3:30pm, so I may not be able to view it anyway.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Xu -19
o/u 145.5

[XUFan09]

Xu -19
o/u 145.5
After a dismal performance that left Mack pissed and with plenty of time to prepare for a home game, I would give the points, no question.

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[GoMuskies]

I too watched this game. I couldn't decide if DePaul was improved or whether Gtown was just struggling. Can't take anyone for granted. Fordham isn't coming to town tomorrow night. Could be a trap game.

Fordham is better than DePaul this year.

[Masterofreality]

Fordham is better than DePaul this year.

Let's see if F-m beats GW. They didn't on January 3.

[Masterofreality]

Ok, enough with the cracklin' breaded fooooooobawl crap and other diversions. This goes back to the top, as it should.

I'm interested to see who CMack puts on Billy Bob Garrett The Third, Jr. He's a big PG and I doubt Myles will guard him, but he'll probably guard Simpson. I would guess that JP gets another start because we don't need the twin towers out there to start and maybe Remy gets Billy Bob with JP on Henry? I don't want Trevon having to work that hard to guard.

Interesting that CMack said yesterday that "Nothing against Oliver Purnell (although it is against him), but "DePaul is playing much more organized basketball this year than before". in other words Leitao actually has some structure? Wow. Impressive.

Sorry, but DePaul can't get out of its own way. Amazing that in a city with all that talent they continue to suck and they go back a hire a guy who was with them before. For the sake of the league, I want DePuke and St. John's to get better, be competitive on a National Scale and make some noise, just not at OUR level. For their sake, Jillian Anderson, Ray Manzarek of the Doors and two members of the Band Chicago graduated from there as did actor John C Reilly. Probably appropriate that despite having 3 times the endowment of Xavier- $447 mil to $155 mil- all they have are performers and actors there. Perfect for their basketball team.

[paulxu]

Wonder why they are starting at 6:30?


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYhd3mVWwAA2Br1.jpg

[Muskie1000]

Wonder why they are starting at 6:30?

Well I think its something that the Big East has been doing to try something new this year. 6:30 and 8:30 start times... gives them a jump on ESPN

[Drew's Crew]

Can't take anyone for granted. Fordham isn't coming to town tomorrow night. Could be a trap game.

If we don't dominate this game after 6 days off to think about our effort at SJU, this team is not what I was hoping it would be.

That would be a major disappointment, win or lose.

[xufan2434]

After a dismal performance that left Mack pissed and with plenty of time to prepare for a home game, I would give the points, no question.

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Completely disagree. Depaul took it to X both times last year and won @ Depaul. I know what you're saying, but I still think Depaul will come to play. They've been in every Big East game this year and we're beating Butler with 5 minutes left. -19.5 is a lot of points and if X does get out ahead, could easily see Depaul sneaking in the back door on this one

[X-band '01]

At least DePaul will feel more at home with snow and wind chills more reminiscent of Chicago tonight.

[Masterofreality]

Bump. Game sold out.

#RespectTheOpponent

[GoMuskies]

#RespectTheOpponent

I don't have to respect shitty opponents. I've already given plenty of grief today to my co-worker who is a DePaul fan. As you would imagine, given that he is a fan of that gawdawful program, his life is a dumpster fire, and he's a miserable sonofabitch. Or maybe that's just because he's a lawyer.

[Masterofreality]

I don't have to respect shitty opponents. I've already given plenty of grief today to my co-worker who is a DePaul fan. As you would imagine, given that he is a fan of that gawdawful program, his life is a dumpster fire, and he's a miserable sonofabitch. Or maybe that's just because he's a lawyer.

I'm being shackled by the endless suppression of Internet despots, but Public Reps for this, Go!

[Olsingledigit]

19 points is a lot to give in any game regardless. And this despite having Ed out once again. I would hope we get up on them early and steadily win but I wouldn't give the 19 points. Also, I know Garrett is a large guard, but I can see LAJ playing at least some help defense on him. I know some of my X friends will ridicule that since some do not have a very high opinion of LAJ (with reason sometimes) but he can play some tight defense at times. Guess we will wait and see. I think that JP will end up with some quick fouls guarding him.

[XfansinKy]

Get this bigs early shots, open it up for Davis, Tre, Remy, JP, and maybe London n Gates. If that happens and our shooters knock down 8 or ten threes, blowout. Also continue to show toughness by dominating the glass. DePaul has no chance if the above happens. X=Too many weopons for all but maybe two teams in the entire nation. We are legit Final Four contenders. If we go, I'll mortgage my house for good tix and the opportunity to meet you guys.

[Jesuit4Life]

Any ideas how to access the game from France without infecting my computer? iHeart does not work outside the U.S. and I suspect the Fox streaming app won't either.
Since I neglected to edit the post, follow the instructions here:
http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?30495-XAVIER-vs-BUTLER&p=528381#post528381

Same boat...out in CA...any ways to stream the game? Of course, it will be at 3:30pm, so I may not be able to view it anyway.
Same for you if you don't have a login for FoxSportsGo.

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[smileyy]

I think someone said something about Trevon needing to get his jump shot back.

[GIMMFD]

Why the hell is Jalen shooting 3s... good bless.

[drudy23]

Since I neglected to edit the post, follow the instructions here:
http://www.xavierhoops.com/showthread.php?30495-XAVIER-vs-BUTLER&p=528381#post528381

Same for you if you don't have a login for FoxSportsGo.

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FoxSports Go....I'm in.

[ballyhoohoo]

I see Dave Leito is a graduate of the Mick Cronin school of offense game planning.

[drudy23]

Jalen has gotten worse in the post.

[Jesuit4Life]

https://twitter.com/FS1/status/687062104885465088

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[GoMuskies]

We seem to kinda be sucking.

[sirthought]

I see Reynold's is going to not have his head in the game once again.

[mistabeecee41]

Last 2 games we've had "taking the gas off the pedal" problems with leads. Luckily it's been SJU and DePaul

[ArizonaXUGrad]

This is a major problem.


I see Reynold's is going to not have his head in the game once again.

[drudy23]

I see Reynold's is going to not have his head in the game once again.

Put in Farr...leave in Farr.

[xu82]

Jalen has gotten worse in the post.

Is that why he jacked up a 3? He knows it?

[GoMuskies]

Luckily it's been SJU and DePaul


That almost didn't work out against SJU. Too early to say it will work out tonight...although I assume it will.

[GoMuskies]

Great shot by Davis. And great maturity by Macura to pass up the bad 3 leading to an easy three for Davis.

[oddblob]

omara is my dude

[GoMuskies]

Right on schedule for a 20 point win.

[drudy23]

I have a feeling that Mack is going to prove a point that we play much better with Jalen on the bench.

[xu82]

Great shot by Davis. And great maturity by Macura to pass up the bad 3 leading to an easy three for Davis.

Yep. Raise your hand if you thought JP would jack it up!

[sirthought]

You have to be impressed with our two most heady players both being in double figures at this point in the game.

[sirthought]

I have a feeling that Mack is going to prove a point that we play much better with Jalen on the bench.

Seeing the type of shots O'Mara goes for, it's probably true. He's under the basket where he needs to be and isn't trying to do too much.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Trevon with a great first half, ballin!

[Masterofreality]

F-ing DePuke makes threes like layups against us. 29% 3 point shooters become Rick Mount against us!

[Masterofreality]

Sean O'Mara is our best big boy tonight. By far. Great to have depth!

[ArizonaXUGrad]

Hopefully the lower to their average in the 2nd half.


F-ing DePuke makes threes like layups against us. 29% 3 point shooters become Rick Mount against us!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Right on pace to cover, I think we will.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Good D by Jalen to draw the foul there.

[D-West & PO-Z]

followed by a jam

[Masterofreality]

I think CMack read them the riot act at halftime

[GoMuskies]

Nice start. Doesn't Larkin say something about stepping on an opponent's throat when you've got them down? How about now for that throat-stepping on?

[oddblob]

jalen pumped up for jps and one made me smile

[Masterofreality]

jalen pumped up for jps and one made me smile

Great play by JP!

[D-West & PO-Z]

jalen pumped up for jps and one made me smile

Yeah that was awesome.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Yeah that was awesome.

The shot but moreso Jalen's reactions.

[oddblob]

jp is killing it

[D-West & PO-Z]

Love seeing JP pump fake the 3 to drive. And 1!

[xu82]

JP with 13 in how many minutes? Wow

[Masterofreality]

JP just made a true "scorer's" play

[xu82]

JP just made a true "scorer's" play

Yeah, there are shooters and there are scorers.


(And he's both)

[GoMuskies]

JP just made a true "scorer's" play

The "and 1" or the heat check. :)

[XU-PA]

Just when I thought JP was losing his confidence. Hitting it!!!

[Masterofreality]

When we sub, we don't lose anything.

[xu82]

I think we just got screwed twice there.

[Masterofreality]

Couple of these foul calls are somewhat questionable. (Go's line?)

[D-West & PO-Z]

Stupid foul Jalen.

[Masterofreality]

Gawd, now it's the #RefShow

[oddblob]

quality mins from gates

[smileyy]

When we sub, we don't lose anything.

It is unfair that a team that was already deep is getting additional quality minutes from Kaiser Gates

[XU-PA]

quality mins from gates

And damn near a chest bump with the official

[Masterofreality]

It is unfair that a team that was already deep is getting additional quality minutes from Kaiser Gates

And Makinde London hasn't even played!

[smileyy]

Like, X is missing a starter and can still run 9 guys out there that I have no qualms about having on the floor. (I'm bring pretty generous, Larry Austin, Jr.)

[smileyy]

And Makinde London hasn't even played!

I get the impression that Gates has been getting London's minutes (earning them, and delivering with them). Makinde will get there, I have no doubt.

[Masterofreality]

That was a BS call on Gates. Nothing but a good solid box out.

[Masterofreality]

I think Mike Roberts just made a make up call.

[smileyy]

Is DePaul just alternating stretches of who they're leaving open? Bluiett for the first 10 minutes, Macura to open the second half, and now Gates?

I'm still shaking my head at the ridiculousness of having Gates able to step in and be "Trevon Bluiett, Jr.", when Gates is just a freshman and Bluiett only a sophomore. (I know Gates is listed as having 2" on Bluiett, but Bluiett is a "tall" 6'6". He always looks taller than the also-listed-as-6'6" Sumner)

[oddblob]

bullshit officiating right now

[sirthought]

Not likely all of these fouls, but if they are legit, I guess this is the game to let our younger guys experience that.

Sort of weird that so many of our inside guys are getting called with them doing very little.

[D-West & PO-Z]

What happened to Trevon's faux hawk? He looks way different!

[GoMuskies]

Keep it up fellas. I need a 21+ point win to earn a beer from my miserable SOB DePaul friend.

[paulxu]

Guess earning that gold jersey or whatever earn Kaiser some minutes.
Glad he's playing well. He could be a force in the next few years.

[sirthought]

How huge is M. Davis with 7 assists and 6 minutes still to go?!

[Masterofreality]

Not likely all of these fouls, but if they are legit, which they aren't


Keep it up fellas. I need a 21+ point win to earn a beer from my miserable SOB DePaul friend.

Questionable calls? Hmmmmm.".......#VegasLine

[Masterofreality]

Uh, oh. Here's where it gets dicey for Go. Walk ons on the court.
21 pointer at risk.

[paulxu]

FS1 should not pay an announcer who calls us eggs-avier.

[Jesuit4Life]

So close, Go.

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[Masterofreality]

Go should never bet a guy on a 21 point line.

[GIMMFD]

Trevon is fun. I like this team. Sportsball is good toniight.

[MADXSTER]

Trevon is BYU Fun!!

[GoMuskies]

Go should never bet a guy on a 21 point line.

He's a DePaul fan. He needs the beer more than I do.

[sirthought]

Wow. 20 points at the free throw stripe will help almost every time.

Loving the 11 offensive rebounds and 21 assists.

DePaul's bench outscored our bench by two points, which is surprising.

[xu82]

FS1 should not pay an announcer who calls us eggs-avier.

No kidding! How could that happen? Geez......

[xu82]

Trevon is BYU Fun!!

I hear BYU is such fun they should....oh, never mind. That was last year, and no, they didn't.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

X won by 20, but DePaul played a fairly decent game. Their shooting % and rebounding were not bad and they did put in 11 3pts. We are just a lot better.

[MauriceX]

I was stuck at work late and followed the game via the Gamecast. I had a few questions I was hoping you guys could help me with!

1) Farr was incredibly quiet in the first half but didn't have any foul trouble. In the second half, he was a bit more active, but still a pretty quiet game. Was there anything wrong with Farr? Illness? Injury? Do you think Mack was keeping him out to give others experience? Or was it just an off game?

2) Who guarded Garrett Jr.? He was held in check pretty well.

3) Based on reactions, was the first half not pretty? I didn't start keeping track until halftime, and we were up 10, so I assumed it was an OK half. Is that not the case?

[xu82]

I was stuck at work late and followed the game via the Gamecast. I had a few questions I was hoping you guys could help me with!

1) Farr was incredibly quiet in the first half but didn't have any foul trouble. In the second half, he was a bit more active, but still a pretty quiet game. Was there anything wrong with Farr? Illness? Injury? Do you think Mack was keeping him out to give others experience? Or was it just an off game?

2) Who guarded Garrett Jr.? He was held in check pretty well.

3) Based on reactions, was the first half not pretty? I didn't start keeping track until halftime, and we were up 10, so I assumed it was an OK half. Is that not the case?

I can't help too much, as I listened as much as watched early. The first half we were largely settling for jump shots. Lots of jump shots. In the second half we got the ball inside more. We were only up 3 until a run before the half.

[sirthought]

I was stuck at work late and followed the game via the Gamecast. I had a few questions I was hoping you guys could help me with!

1) Farr was incredibly quiet in the first half but didn't have any foul trouble. In the second half, he was a bit more active, but still a pretty quiet game. Was there anything wrong with Farr? Illness? Injury? Do you think Mack was keeping him out to give others experience? Or was it just an off game?

2) Who guarded Garrett Jr.? He was held in check pretty well.

3) Based on reactions, was the first half not pretty? I didn't start keeping track until halftime, and we were up 10, so I assumed it was an OK half. Is that not the case?

Here's my humble take.
1) Nothing really wrong with Farr. I think Mack was trying to give Reynolds a bit more opportunity tonight, but when he kept screwing up coach was putting in some younger guys like O'Mara and Gates and they were filling out space that Farr might be performing in. Farr played okay overall.

2) We played that 1-3-1 zone much of the night and Garrett is a bit more of a dribble/drive player, so his game didn't work as well against us.

3) First half was really great overall. We outscored them by 10 points and had two players in double figures. I think guys on the board (myself included) are inclined to speak up about certain negative play. But we were pushing on offense really well up until the latter part of the half.

[GoMuskies]

I'm not sure how great most of the first half was. Xavier was up 3 with about 90 seconds to play. The 7-0 run at the end prettied it up quite a bit.

[sirthought]

I'm not sure how great most of the first half was. Xavier was up 3 with about 90 seconds to play. The 7-0 run at the end prettied it up quite a bit.

True, but throughout most of the half Xavier held the lead and momentum was generally in their favor. It never seemed to be losing control at that stretch.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, Xavier looked like the much better team, despite the small margin before the end-of-half run.

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[XUGRAD80]

First half was a series of runs by each team, with x having the final run of the half. X had a 10 point lead midway through the half, let DePaul get within 3, then did 7-0 in the last 2 minutes. The started out 2nd half on a run and basically sealed the game at that point. Both teams hit 7 3-pointers in the first half. But teams had just about the same number of 2-pointers ( I seem to remember that X had 1 more than DePaul). But X had a big edge in # of free throws taken, and points from the line. This was the difference in the first half. Play did seem a little bit ragged at times because of the fouls committed by DePaul, but X was running its offense pretty well IMO. Of course...great shooting covers a multiple of sins (didn't someone once say that? :biggrin: )

As has been said Farr didn't play really bad and did not look to be suffering from any aliments. But O'Meara and Gates got a lot of playing time throughout the game. Even London got some time in the 2nd half. Gates had his best game so far, and not just in terms of points. He got several defensive rebounds, and I seem to remember him getting an offensive rebound or two as well.

[XU3232]

Overall very happy with the win. I wish Remy could knock down some shots though... 0-5 tonight. Since the Butler game he has been MIA on the offensive end. We have so many weapons it's not a huge deal but he plays 25+ minutes a game it would be nice if he could start to get it going.

Great to see Kaiser playing with confidence and can't wait to get Sumner back!

[paulxu]

Good words about Gates:

http://www.scout.com/college/xavier/story/1631935-gates-makes-most-of-opportunity-in-84-64-win

[XU 87]

Abel doesn't score and Farr only has 4 and the team still wins by 20. This team simply has a lot of offensive weapons.

[drudy23]

Abel doesn't score and Farr only has 4 and the team still wins by 20. This team simply has a lot of offensive weapons.

And our starting point guard and most athletic player didn't even play.

And Jalen kinda played like crap.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I really want Sumner to get back and to develop into our go to player in close games. Right now, it's clearly Myles, however he is a tad short to be nearly auto. Look at Dunn last night, they needed a winning bucket and he got it. Sumner, I feel like will be that guy for us.


And our starting point guard and most athletic player didn't even play.

And Jalen kinda played like crap.

[ballyhoohoo]

I really want Sumner to get back and to develop into our go to player in close games. Right now, it's clearly Myles, however he is a tad short to be nearly auto. Look at Dunn last night, they needed a winning bucket and he got it. Sumner, I feel like will be that guy for us.

Yes but his absence during a non crucial stretch allows other plans to cultivate their clutch game. Edmund in due time.

[Masterofreality]

I'm not sure how great most of the first half was. Xavier was up 3 with about 90 seconds to play. The 7-0 run at the end prettied it up quite a bit.


Yeah, Xavier looked like the much better team, despite the small margin before the end-of-half run.

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DePaul, as they usually seem to do against us, shot way better from 3 land than they usually do in the first half. That kept the game closer than expected. Second half. They reverted to form, unlike last year when they somehow beat us in Chicago.

[RealDeal]

Thank the lord there was no creeping leaper this time.

[xuwin]

DePaul, as they usually seem to do against us, shot way better from 3 land than they usually do in the first half. That kept the game closer than expected. Second half. They reverted to form, unlike last year when they somehow beat us in Chicago.

It seems that the weakness in the 1-3-1 zone is the open three from the corners. DePaul hit a few of those to keep them in the game for a while.

[LA Muskie]

It seems that the weakness in the 1-3-1 zone is the open three from the corners. DePaul hit a few of those to keep them in the game for a while.
Yes -- the corner three and the extended elbow three are the two achilles heals of the 1-3-1.

[Masterofreality]

I'm not sure how great most of the first half was. Xavier was up 3 with about 90 seconds to play. The 7-0 run at the end prettied it up quite a bit.


Yes -- the corner three and the extended elbow three are the two achilles heals of the 1-3-1.

Which, of course, YTG couldn't figure out at all against us despite having miles of tape. I hope that elf stays there forever.

[LA Muskie]

It's not just figuring it out. It's having the personnel to exploit it.


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[MADXSTER]

That's two teams in a row that have banked a three against Xavier. Geesh

[Masterofreality]

It's not just figuring it out. It's having the personnel to exploit it.

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Farad Cobb- 47.5% from 3 this season.
Gary Clark- 57.1% from 3 this season
Justin Jennifer- 38.1% from 3 this season

Now, you might say that those percentages are based upon limited attempts, except for Cobb, but Sippin Mick lets Caupain jack them up there relentlessly to a tune of 31.3%, although he did shoot 40% last year. Point is that Mickey doesn't use his guys' talents the best and doesn't put them in position to excel.

Was anybody figuring that Tre Bluiett would shoot 40% on 3's this year after only shooting 31% last year? Well, Chris Mack figured it and got schemes to get Tre good looks. Mick is so concerned with dribble drive and scoring off offensive rebounds that he has no concept of putting his guys in the right places to take advantage of their capabilities.

[XU 87]

And our starting point guard and most athletic player didn't even play.

And Jalen kinda played like crap.

True, all things considered, last night's 20 point win was a pretty good feat.