Yesterday

[bleedXblue]

Not trying to stir things up and/or overreact to just a horrible situation yesterday, but just a couple of thoughts that have been bothering me. First and foremost, this team hopefully learned a big lesson in toughness yesterday. If they think this was going to be an easy ride through the BE conference slate, our perceptions should have dramatically changed after yesterday. I honestly was hoping for a much better, tougher response from our guys after the hard foul on Sumner. Was it dirty? I think it was a borderline cheap shot. I'll give the guys the benefit of doubt with concern for their friend. That happens again to one of our players and there better be a response. I didn't expect a W yesterday after that happened, but I did expect more fight and intensity. Another obvious thing that can't be ignored is the continued good play of James Farr....and the continued lackluster play of Jalen Reynolds. I think a message needs to be sent to Jalen and it should begin with him losing his starting spot. We need Reynolds to pick it up. We have a significant advantage over many teams when both are playing well. Lastly, what's scary and encouraging at the same time is that I don't think this team has really played it best basketball yet. I don't know if this is an issue with the rotation?.......I can't put my finger on it. JP seems a bit off and was really struggling up until yesterday. Is it going to be London or Gates when need a spark? It seems to change just about every other game with the two of them. I personally like London b/c of what he brings on both ends of the floor. I think Gates needs some work with his shot and if all he's going to give us is shooting 3's at a lousy clip. I'm just not seeing it. Would prefer to have a guy who can rebound, block some shots and change the momentum of a game when we need it. It's on to Butler tomorrow. It will be a dog fight. We better be ready!

[94GRAD]

First, use your enter key.
Second, this is a turrible post(Charles Barkley voice)!
Third, early running for worse post of the year.

[xu82]

I learned nothing yesterday other than Villanova is not above cheap shots. Nothing after that really mattered. Move on.

[vee4xu]

Remember, Xavier is 12-1 with a win against at least one team in the major conferences. They are off to a record best ever start with a bunch of early season national recognition. I think Xavier's team will remember that they are 12-1 and have a lot to play for in what could be a memorable season. They won't let this one game define them. You shouldn't either. Let it go.

[GoMuskies]

Remember, Xavier is 12-1 with a win against at least one team in the major conferences.

And Dayton. By almost every indication, that's our best win to date.

[xubrew]

Some of my thoughts....

-I think the play was reckless and clumsy, but I don't think it was dirty.

-Providence, Seton Hall, and Georgetown all won their road openers. They also all played at least one game in an extremely hostile environment out of conference. I think learning to play in a hostile environment is kind of like learning to drive. You can't learn to drive without getting behind the wheel and driving. You can't learn to play in hostile environments without actually doing it. Michigan and Wake were good road games, but they weren't nearly as nasty as Providence going to Rhode Island, Georgetown going to Maryland or Seton Hall going to Rutgers. Those games all feel like conference road games even though they're not, and I don't think it's any coincidence that they all won their road openers.

Arcidiancono basically telling someone who's offering to help him up to piss off ultimately means nothing. Being bothered by things that mean nothing is the exact opposite of toughness, IMHO. Being frustrated to the point that you let it bother you is also a lack of toughness. I know some of our fans were whining about it. I really hope the players weren't. If a team is mentally weak, then you should do things to them that frustrate them. Two reasons. It makes them play worse, and it can be a lot of fun.

Well, now we've played in a hostile environment, and we did so a man down. Now that we've done it we're hopefully more prepared for the next one. I still think we're good enough to finish at the top of the league. I know I sound like a homer in saying that, but I don't really think of myself as one. I really do think Xavier can win the league, and maybe even earn a #1 seed despite what happened yesterday. The opportunities are certainly there.

[GoMuskies]

We were really hoping for 1-1 this week, so with a win tomorrow yesterday becomes relatively meaningless. A loss tomorrow, though, and it's getting bad.

[xubrew]

We were really hoping for 1-1 this week, so with a win tomorrow yesterday becomes relatively meaningless. A loss tomorrow, though, and it's getting bad.

Agree to a point. A loss tomorrow isn't good. I won't go so far to say it's bad. We've got 16 more and 14 of them won't be as tough as the first two, especially if we get Sumner back after tomorrow.

[XUFan09]

Bullshit about the toughness narrative. When you see your friend go down right in front of you, when you don't know if he's going to be okay (and really, you STILL don't know), and when he goes to the friggin' hospital while you're left to play a game, you aren't focused and you aren't as invested in the effort as you were at tip-off.

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[xubrew]

Bullshit about the toughness narrative. When you see your friend go down right in front of you, when you don't know if he's going to be okay (and really, you STILL don't know), and when he goes to the friggin' hospital while you're left to play a game, you aren't focused and you aren't as invested in the effort as you were at tip-off.

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I was talking about Arcidiancono, which happened late in the game.

[X Factor]

I agree. From all accounts, this team is VERY close on and off the court. They really do care about eachother and it was obvious when Edmond went down. You could tell Trevon was very emotional during that time and was trying to hold back tears. All the other guys were just stunned and the energy had been sucked out.

I wish they had played better after that, but I understand why they didn't. Ed going down and Nova shooting out of their asses was a recipe for a bad (large margin) loss.

Let's kick Butler's butt tomorrow and get back on the track we were on. Nova will get theirs when they come to Cintas.

[XfansinKy]

I realize it's off topic, but does anybody know what's up with Remy? Is he playing great in practice on both sides, just not in games? Is he just not an offensive option? Seems as if he's disappeared lately.

[kyxu]

I agree. From all accounts, this team is VERY close on and off the court. They really do care about eachother and it was obvious when Edmond went down. You could tell Trevon was very emotional during that time and was trying to hold back tears. All the other guys were just stunned and the energy had been sucked out.

I wish they had played better after that, but I understand why they didn't. Ed going down and Nova shooting out of their asses was a recipe for a bad (large margin) loss.

Let's kick Butler's butt tomorrow and get back on the track we were on. Nova will get theirs when they come to Cintas.

Amen.

[RoseyMuskie]

In an odd way, I was impressed with the team's reaction during the game, and after the game on Twitter.

Obviously, when you lose a teammate in that fashion, we all expect difficulties in coping with the incident. But it just seems to me that it meant more to the team than it did for other teams after a tough injury.

Maybe this assessment is way off, but I think it shows the chemistry this team has.

[XfansinKy]

In an odd way, I was impressed with the team's reaction during the game, and after the game on Twitter.

Obviously, when you lose a teammate in that fashion, we all expect difficulties in coping with the incident. But it just seems to me that it meant more to the team than it did for other teams after a tough injury.

Maybe this assessment is way off, but I think it shows the chemistry this team has.
He's a redshirt freshman they all know. He's younger than some, so they probably look at him like a little brother. It looked like maybe Myles mom stayed with Sumner too. Whoever it was had a nice Myles Davis shirt on and also seemed to have some medical knowledge tbh by the way EMTs reacted to her. Again....I honestly have no idea what I'm talking about though.

[XUFan09]

I was talking about Arcidiancono, which happened late in the game.
I'm responding to the OP.

Concerning Archidiacano, I honestly don't blame him for telling Macura to screw off. We all know how Macura talks on the court, so for him to turn around and act nice probably came off very disingenuous.

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[Masterofreality]

Only thing worth anything in the original post is the "continued good play of James Farr." Senior leader.

[Always Learning]

Not trying to stir things up and/or overreact to just a horrible situation yesterday, but just a couple of thoughts that have been bothering me. First and foremost, this team hopefully learned a big lesson in toughness yesterday. If they think this was going to be an easy ride through the BE conference slate, our perceptions should have dramatically changed after yesterday. I honestly was hoping for a much better, tougher response from our guys after the hard foul on Sumner. Was it dirty? I think it was a borderline cheap shot. I'll give the guys the benefit of doubt with concern for their friend. That happens again to one of our players and there better be a response. I didn't expect a W yesterday after that happened, but I did expect more fight and intensity. Another obvious thing that can't be ignored is the continued good play of James Farr....and the continued lackluster play of Jalen
Reynolds. I think a message needs to be sent to Jalen and it should begin with him losing his starting spot. We need Reynolds to pick it up. We have a significant advantage over many teams when both are playing well. Lastly, what's scary and encouraging at the same time is that I don't think this team has really played it best basketball yet. I don't know if this is an issue with the rotation?.......I can't put my finger on it. JP seems a bit off and was really struggling up until yesterday. Is it going to be London or Gates when need a spark? It seems to change just about every other game with the two of them. I personally like London b/c of what he brings on both ends of the floor. I think Gates needs some work with his shot and if all he's going to give us is shooting 3's at a lousy clip. I'm just not seeing it. Would prefer to have a guy who can rebound, block some shots and change the momentum of a game when we need it. It's on to Butler tomorrow. It will be a dog fight. We better be ready!

An incredible post, as ignorant as it is. I agree with '94 Grad's, "early running for worst post of the year."
Obvious "Bleeder" has never faced an emotional shock that this team faced with Ed on the floor, not knowing how bad things were.
Now, its true if they were so emotionally strong as "Bleeeder" surely is, they would have cared less, just went back to business, forget about their teammate and learn a lesson in "toughness."
But Pal, you know absolutely nothing about being on a team and what a teammate is. Nothing.
Now as far as "lackadaisical" play of Jalen Reynolds, he has a problem with fouls, but that does not come from being "lackadaisical." It comes from a) being overly agressive, and b) a reputation passed along by the officials to "watch out for Jalen.' Everyone is in love with James, and rightly so. Me too. But Jalen and James are just about even in every statistical category including fouls. And I'd love to see those statistical lines when both are in the game.
"Bleeder" is just bitchen when he "can't put his finger on" JP's play. His 10 ppg a game is just "lackluster." Golly!
Maybe he just has a hangover.

[bleedXblue]

An incredible post, as ignorant as it is. I agree with '94 Grad's, "early running for worst post of the year."
Obvious "Bleeder" has never faced an emotional shock that this team faced with Ed on the floor, not knowing how bad things were.
Now, its true if they were so emotionally strong as "Bleeeder" surely is, they would have cared less, just went back to business, forget about their teammate and learn a lesson in "toughness."
But Pal, you know absolutely nothing about being on a team and what a teammate is. Nothing.
Now as far as "lackadaisical" play of Jalen Reynolds, he has a problem with fouls, but that does not come from being "lackadaisical." It comes from a) being overly agressive, and b) a reputation passed along by the officials to "watch out for Jalen.' Everyone is in love with James, and rightly so. Me too. But Jalen and James are just about even in every statistical category including fouls. And I'd love to see those statistical lines when both are in the game.
"Bleeder" is just bitchen when he "can't put his finger on" JP's play. His 10 ppg a game is just "lackluster." Golly!
Maybe he just has a hangover.

Way to completely misrepresent just about every point I made. I made several references to the fact that Sumner's injury no doubt impacted the team....and should have. Did you not read that or are you only extracting what you want to? The point I was try to make about "toughness" was that we're going to need more of it in this league if we're going to compete for a title an win. We're going to get everyone's best shot. This is a physical league. The next time one of our guys gets taken out of a game, I hope we respond appropriately. If you can't see lazy, lackluster fouls made by Jalen in almost every game he plays, we're not watching the same thing. Who said JP was playing lackadaisical ? He has been struggling for the last 2-3 games going into yesterdays game? My point was hoping Mack would find a way to get JP more into the flow of the game and offense.

[LA Muskie]

Let's not pretend this was a garden variety situation. The kid got knocked out cold. If that doesn't shake you up something big, I don't want you in the foxhole with me.


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[Masterofreality]

The point I was try to make about "toughness" was that we're going to need more of it in this league if we're going to compete for a title an win. We're going to get everyone's best shot.

Soooooooooo, exactly how much more "toughness" does Xavier need?
A) Enough "toughness" to come back from 16 down on the road vs against a 9-2 ACC team that had beaten UCLA & Indiana?
B) Enough "toughness" to go into Ann Arbor and absolutely beast a Top 25 team that will finish in the top 3 of the Big 10?
C) Enough "toughness" to beat the absolute crap out of a totally motivated VD team?
D) Enough "toughness" to blow the doors off a Top 25 rated rival like the Borecats?
E) Enough "toughness" to get through the #1 rated SOS undefeated and #1 in RPI?

Pray tell, Dr. Psychologist?

[xumuskies08]

This thread makes me want to throw a plastic chair across a basketball court. Jesus.

[XUFan09]

Let's not pretend this was a garden variety situation. The kid got knocked out cold. If that doesn't shake you up something big, I don't want you in the foxhole with me.


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Exactly. I had a teammate break a collarbone right in front of me on a bad collision. After that was resolved, we played through it. Why? Because though it really sucked at the time, in the end it was just a broken bone and we had no cause to be worried.

Concerning Sumner, though, he is still not out of the woods. He could have long-term problems with his ability to focus, his memory, etc. We just don't know yet. Brain injuries are incredibly scary and there's no getting around that.

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[bleedXblue]

I'm waving a white flag.

Make no mistake that was a message sent very clearly by Villanova. It only took them 2 minutes into the game and almost cost us our starting PG.

I was hoping we would have responded with some tough, physical play of our own. I wasn't expecting a miracle or the guys not to play with a heavy heart or concern for Edmond.

[X-Fan]

I'm waving a white flag.

Make no mistake that was a message sent very clearly by Villanova. It only took them 2 minutes into the game and almost cost us our starting PG.

I was hoping we would have responded with some tough, physical play of our own. I wasn't expecting a miracle or the guys not to play with a heavy heart or concern for Edmond.

I'm not going to lie. I wanted X to deliver a hard foul at least once in the game. They had the chance a few times with both Brunson and Arch driving to the hoop. Nothing "dirty" just something to make them less comfortable. I was actually pretty impressed with how the guys kept their composure. Nova was celebrating the whole game and IMO trying to bait X. You know, like when they did a pull up on the rim after a dunk and didn't get a "T". I gotta stop thinking about this game. Starting to get pissed again.

[MuskiePimp23]

I'm waving a white flag.

Make no mistake that was a message sent very clearly by Villanova. It only took them 2 minutes into the game and almost cost us our starting PG.

I was hoping we would have responded with some tough, physical play of our own. I wasn't expecting a miracle or the guys not to play with a heavy heart or concern for Edmond.

I'm with you and don't agree with many other posters knocking you for dumbest post of the year. I completely disagree with them and agree with you because I know what you are saying. The bottom line is injuries happen. I have watched that play at least 20 times and Kris Jenkins is a big guy (listed about 240 lbs) and he is only 6'5" or 6'6". He wasn't trying to hurt Sumner. Booth gave the foul and wanted to make sure Sumner didn't score and I have no problem with that. The problem I have is that our guys played like a bunch of players with no mental toughness or fight. I saw MOR's post above and agree with that, except that we were down 18 versus Wake, not 16. We were mentally tough in games this season and so far it has been a very good start. Yesterday, however, we were not tough at all. Archidiacano and Villanova stepped on our throat while we were down and didn't let up. They have been hearing for quite a while about how good Xavier is and how they were down with the beating they took to Oklahoma and loss to Virginia. We need to have that killer instinct. BJ Raymond had a quote about stepping on someone's throat when they were down and not letting up (he was using a metaphor, not literal). Jason Love and Tu Holloway used to call it "winning time". The whole zip em up' thing is all about putting them in bodybags. These are all metaphors for playing hard, playing tough, playing together as a team in all circumstances and how you handle adversity because all teams will run into that. If this team can fully realize it's potential, having a player go down like that needs to unify us and have us play harder because I am sure Edmond would wanted us to go down with a better fight yesterday even if we lost. I wanted to see some fight or "toughness" if you will yesterday and it wasn't there. We let Villanova who is NOT a good rebounding team at all, and we only outrebounded them by 5. We consistently missed layups and wide open 3"s when they missed neither.

James Farr was the only guy yesterday that looked like he gave a damn about the result and played with toughness and pride. We have to be more mentally tough than folding like a cheap tent like we did yesterday for a long run in March/April. If not, other teams will smell blood and we will get run over when it matters.

[LA Muskie]

It has nothing to do with toughness. They lost their composure in the wake of Edmond's injury. He was knocked out cold and having convulsions on the floor. Give the damn kids a break. This is one of the toughest teams we've had.


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[Masterofreality]

I'm waving a white flag.

Make no mistake that was a message sent very clearly by Villanova. It only took them 2 minutes into the game and almost cost us our starting PG.

I was hoping we would have responded with some tough, physical play of our own. I wasn't expecting a miracle or the guys not to play with a heavy heart or concern for Edmond.

So, the level of "toughness" you want is that someone from Xavier retaliate with a revenge foul based upon nothing more than an opinion that someone from Villanova intentionally knocked out our PG- with no evidence that this was the case. Yep, let's get Jalen Reynolds to deliver a shot across Jenkins face, breaking his nose, get suspended and lose him for at least one game or more- with Butler in two days. Verrrrrrrry intelligent, and very classy.

See bleed. This is why this was the most ridiculous post of the year, but you just can't see it. Let it go. Big East basketball isn't some Texas Tornado Cage Death Match. Stuff will happen in competitive games, but nothing dirty to see here.

[PM Thor]

Let's not pretend this was a garden variety situation. The kid got knocked out cold. If that doesn't shake you up something big, I don't want you in the foxhole with me.


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That injury was beyond that. I know most people wouldn't pick up on it, but after he was down, look at Sumners hands. He's posturing, which can be indicative of a major head trauma. That's called decorticate posturing, which is what the body does (sometimes) when there is major brain trauma. Now, none of us were there to hear the trainers on the court, but if that was me, I definitely would have been treating it as a major trauma (like they did). Obviously the players and coaches heard all the talk from the responders there, so they probably got the gyst that the injury, the way it presented, was really bad.

We are talking about young kids here, who might be hearing their friend is hurt really badly. No way would your head be in the game after that. So, for me, I throw yesterday in the trash and move forward.

[bleedXblue]

So, the level of "toughness" you want is that someone from Xavier retaliate with a revenge foul based upon nothing more than an opinion that someone from Villanova intentionally knocked out our PG- with no evidence that this was the case. Yep, let's get Jalen Reynolds to deliver a shot across Jenkins face, breaking his nose, get suspended and lose him for at least one game or more- with Butler in two days. Verrrrrrrry intelligent, and very classy.

See bleed. This is why this was the most ridiculous post of the year, but you just can't see it. Let it go. Big East basketball isn't some Texas Tornado Cage Death Match. Stuff will happen in competitive games, but nothing dirty to see here.

I wave the white flag and it typical MOR fashion you gotta get the last word in. You're nauseating. I never said any of what you describe above. A hard foul in response to a hard foul. Happens all of the time. You responding multiple times to a post you self describe as ridiculous is well........

[LA Muskie]

You're right. It was worse than just getting knocked out. I obviously wasn't trying to minimize it. Just a colloquialism.


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[MuskiePimp23]

So, the level of "toughness" you want is that someone from Xavier retaliate with a revenge foul based upon nothing more than an opinion that someone from Villanova intentionally knocked out our PG- with no evidence that this was the case. Yep, let's get Jalen Reynolds to deliver a shot across Jenkins face, breaking his nose, get suspended and lose him for at least one game or more- with Butler in two days. Verrrrrrrry intelligent, and very classy.

See bleed. This is why this was the most ridiculous post of the year, but you just can't see it. Let it go. Big East basketball isn't some Texas Tornado Cage Death Match. Stuff will happen in competitive games, but nothing dirty to see here.

I'm sorry, but did you actually read Bleed's post? I see nothing about any Cage Death Match's or having Reynolds deliver a WWE move to Kris Jenkins. The way I read it is we actually play hard and physical. Don't play the "ole" defense and get out of the way and give up layup after layup to Nova. Maybe put a body on someone, box out and rebound the damn basketball like we can and should have dominated the boards, not winning narrowly by only 5 rebounds against a poor rebounding team. And finally yes, if a Nova player has a layup and you are going to foul him, make sure you foul him hard enough that he has to earn it at the line. That should be said for any game and any opponent. You are really reading in way too much into what Bleed was saying as I got none of what you were saying in this last post. His post makes sense if you know how to read and not jump to your own ridiculous conclusions.

[LA Muskie]

Look we obviously didn't play with the toughness to which we have become accustomed with this team. No one's disputing that. But there were extenuating circumstances. Our team is the one we saw he first 12 games of the season. Which, incidentally, is a damn good sample size. Yesterday was an anomaly. And an understandable one at that.


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[sirthought]

I completely agree with the OP. You guys calling him out are frustrating at best.

You play based on what you can control, so if a guy is injured out that's not an excuse to shrink away.
Once a teammate goes down, you move on and worry about him later, but you better send a message to the other side that play like that will be retaliated. And you don't have to be a thug or dirty to do that. Mental and physical toughness.

These guys were out played in every regard. To me, with the makeup of players we have, that is unexpected.
I actually thought there was a good chance Villanova would win coming in, but I did think XU would compete more.

The best part is I think they have great game tape on how to play more like Villanova on offense. Move the ball. Screen. Get clear shots at the hoop.

[PM Thor]

I find it disgusting that some of you actually believe retaliation was warranted for an obviously unintentional injury. Hell, even for an intentional injury for that matter. You don't go out to get revenge, or send a message. You play through it.

[boozehound]

One freaking loss and the douchebags come out of the woodwork. Not surprising, but still a little disappointing. Let's give it a little more time before we start questioning the team's toughness.

[Masterofreality]

one freaking loss and the douchebags come out of the woodwork. Not surprising, but still a little disappointing. Let's give it a little more time before we start questioning the team's toughness.

b-i-n-g-o.

[sirthought]

I find it disgusting that some of you actually believe retaliation was warranted for an obviously unintentional injury. Hell, even for an intentional injury for that matter. You don't go out to get revenge, or send a message. You play through it.

Like I said, you don't have to be a thug or dirty to do that. Retaliation could be just in how hard they body up and play defense. If they want to play us with hard fouls, then they should expect the same.

I saw fouling out there, but not a lot of bodying up and making someone think twice about how they shoot the next time.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Fuck Butler

[LA Muskie]

We were not ourselves yesterday. For obvious reasons. This has been covered. There's nothing to see here. Move on. Move on.


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[xukeith]

One freaking loss and the douchebags come out of the woodwork. Not surprising, but still a little disappointing. Let's give it a little more time before we start questioning the team's toughness.

bingo

[Xavier]

I'll say this- as soon as sumner went down I was hopeful the team would rally behind it but mainly wanted to hear good news about him over a win. Throughout the beat down I just kept thinking "I don't care as long as he can come back and play soon, or at all". In that regard I wasn't concerned about toughness at all, I saw one of the toughest comebacks in awhile the game before (when was the last time X came back from 18 points to win?...Purdue?). Still, in defense of the OP, had this been a tournament game I would've been disappointed in the effort showed after the injury.

[Xville]

We were not going to go 39-0 this year. One loss is not a big deal, just don't want it to snowball. As long as sumner comes back in a few games, it wont.

[xukeith]

Tough but not top 10 tough. Maybe in March.

[LA Muskie]

If we were Top 10 tough on Wednesday (and we were) then we're Top 10 tough now. Yesterday doesn't count except for the loss itself. Period.


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[MuskiePimp23]

I'll say this- as soon as sumner went down I was hopeful the team would rally behind it but mainly wanted to hear good news about him over a win. Throughout the beat down I just kept thinking "I don't care as long as he can come back and play soon, or at all". In that regard I wasn't concerned about toughness at all, I saw one of the toughest comebacks in awhile the game before (when was the last time X came back from 18 points to win?...Purdue?). Still, in defense of the OP, had this been a tournament game I would've been disappointed in the effort showed after the injury.

A week and a half ago. We were down by 18 to Wake Forest.

[LA Muskie]

I'm pretty sure that's why he was referring to...


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[Masterofreality]

Tough but not top 10 tough. Maybe in March.

Hmmmmm. This happened to eventual National Champion UCon in 2014....in March:

03/08/2014
#19 Connecticut 48 at #11 Louisville 81.
KFC Yum! Center (22,782)
Louisville, KY

I suppose that isn't "Top 10 Tough" either. :rolleyes:

This thread is ludicrous.

[Xavier]

A week and a half ago. We were down by 18 to Wake Forest.

That's what I said. When was the last time X came back before the Wake game? They showed extreme toughness in doing so, to question Xavier's toughness is a bit silly right after they came back from down 18 points, IMO.

[MuskiePimp23]

That's what I said. When was the last time X came back before the Wake game? They showed extreme toughness in doing so, to question Xavier's toughness is a bit silly right after they came back from down 18 points, IMO.

They were tough in the Wake Forest game. They folded like a cheap tent against Villanova and were not tough at all. Villanova punched us in the mouth and we never responded. I'm not saying this team doesn't have the makings of being tough, but that is the first time all year when they didn't respond at all. At least if we lose, I wanted to see better effort and we did not have anything going for us.

[UCGRAD4X]

Wow. There seems to be enough 'toughness' going on in this thread to go around.

I am firmly in the camp that says, "Put this game in the rear view mirror and move on!"

Take nothing about toughness or responsiveness, burn the tape - don't even think about it until after the Georgetown game on 2.20 and we get ready for Nova's visit.

Maybe the line is too fine between "If you are going to foul the shooter, make sure he doesn't make the shot" and a "hard" foul. Maybe that is a separate issue and a discussion for another thread....

It really doesn't matter - the health and well-being of our fellow Musketeer (Sumner) is paramount and we should not, in all fairness, criticize the team's / teammates' reaction. We really can't.

That being said, I can understand the sentiment, wanting the team to respond, loud and clear, "We protect our own!" I trust that Mack will instill the appropriate instruction.

This is Chris Mack we're talking about, after all.

[nasdadjr]

All I know is I read 2 sentences and was immediately struck with acute ADD. I put zero stock in that game. A bad situation turned worse cause of a hot player. It happens. If anything I'm glad it happened cause I wasn't happy about Trevons comment after the wake forest game when he said who are they. No offense but who are we until we go to a final four so I hope it gave them a little reality shot. Looking at today's butler game is say it did

[UCGRAD4X]

All I know is I read 2 sentences and was immediately struck with acute ADD. I put zero stock in that game. A bad situation turned worse cause of a hot player. It happens. If anything I'm glad it happened cause I wasn't happy about Trevons comment after the wake forest game when he said who are they. No offense but who are we until we go to a final four so I hope it gave them a little reality shot. Looking at today's butler game is say it did

Missed these comments - what did he say? Seems unusual for Tre.

[nasdadjr]

after the game he said, "not that it was gonna be a cakewalk but just...we've been doing well, had a lot of success up to this point. Like who are you?"

I wasn't a big fan of the quote coming from a guy who has not done much either. When we get to a final four then that quote is fine but not till then. Plenty of teams can say that to X

[Section 200]

Villanova scheduled the game at a tiny gym, knocked out our point guard and then took 25 foot 3s up 25. That says about all you need to know about that program. They are threatened by us - otherwise you call of the dogs when the game is won and move on the the w. When Nova gets in the tournament, they go to unfamiliar arenas and lose. I much prefer our team structure and am not a fan of the live/die by the 3 offense. It is unlikely you will hit enough 3s to advance in the tourney.

We are fine and I was impressed by the effort today.

[xumuskies08]

Villanova scheduled the game at a tiny gym, knocked out our point guard and then took 25 foot 3s up 25. That says about all you need to know about that program. They are threatened by us - otherwise you call of the dogs when the game is won and move on the the w. When Nova gets in the tournament, they go to unfamiliar arenas and lose. I much prefer our team structure and am not a fan of the live/die by the 3 offense. It is unlikely you will hit enough 3s to advance in the tourney.

We are fine and I was impressed by the effort today.

They are 6-0 against us since we joined the BE. They are not threatened by Xavier. Draw whatever conclusions you want about everything else but at least show a little sanity.

[xu82]

They are 6-0 against us since we joined the BE. They are not threatened by Xavier. Draw whatever conclusions you want about everything else but at least show a little sanity.

We were 12-0, ranked #6 and #1 in RPI. If you don't think they felt their position was threatened, you're both missing something AND callin 'Nova stupid. Granted, we still haven't beaten them, but we are for real.....and they know it. That game ended when the score was 4-3. What will happen in future games? No idea, but there's a reason they flame out in the tournament. Unless they play us I root for them, but 3 point dependence has it's risks.

[LA Muskie]

Every system has its risks. The tourney is a crap shoot. Their regular season success under Wright is commendable.


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[xu82]

Every system has its risks. The tourney is a crap shoot. Their regular season success under Wright is commendable.


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Extremely commendable. No question about that. One of my favorite things about our team is the versatility and depth. We have shooters who can slash to the rim as well. Then get to the line, refs willing. This is not like anything I've seen at X before. It's easy to be giddy on days like this.

(Tomorrow my Bills will suck, win or lose.)

[Section 200]

They are 6-0 against us since we joined the BE. They are not threatened by Xavier. Draw whatever conclusions you want about everything else but at least show a little sanity.

That's nice for them, but what has Villanova accomplished? Our team is designed for March, their team is designed January. Wright has underachieved. I only remember Mack pouring it on once, and that ended in a fight. Otherwise, we are good sports and clear the bench and certainly do not take a bunch of 3s.

[bleedXblue]

That's nice for them, but what has Villanova accomplished? Our team is designed for March, their team is designed January. Wright has underachieved. I only remember Mack pouring it on once, and that ended in a fight. Otherwise, we are good sports and clear the bench and certainly do not take a bunch of 3s.

I'm sure Mack and company wont forget when they return to the Tas' next month.

[SpectorJersey]

That's nice for them, but what has Villanova accomplished? Our team is designed for March, their team is designed January. Wright has underachieved. I only remember Mack pouring it on once, and that ended in a fight. Otherwise, we are good sports and clear the bench and certainly do not take a bunch of 3s.

Is this a joke? Nova owns us. Who cares what they do in March. Pretty sure Jay is doing just fine assembling talent. If you want someone to stop blowing you out, then stop them with your play

Nova thumped us. They own us. We need to beat them soon

[Section 200]

Is this a joke? Nova owns us. Who cares what they do in March. Pretty sure Jay is doing just fine assembling talent. If you want someone to stop blowing you out, then stop them with your play

Nova thumped us. They own us. We need to beat them soon

Nova can 'own' us all they want, we care about winning in March. I will happily lose 2x this year to Nova if we get an Elite 8 or Final 4. I'd rather have last year's Sweet 16 instead of a second round exit and a win over Nova.

[xu82]

Is this a joke? Nova owns us. Who cares what they do in March. Pretty sure Jay is doing just fine assembling talent. If you want someone to stop blowing you out, then stop them with your play

Nova thumped us. They own us. We need to beat them soon

Maybe, but the next time we play them will be the first time we play them this year. What did you miss? Did you catch the unconscious and on a stretcher part when the team went to see Ed on the way to the hospital?

[Chester Copperpot]

Maybe, but the next time we play them will be the first time we play them this year. What did you miss? Did you catch the unconscious and on a stretcher part when the team went to see Ed on the way to the hospital?

We still need to beat them with or without one of our best players. Yes, I can dismiss this game as an outlier but they have kicked our ass for the past few years now. I do think we can beat them but the fact is we have not done so in a while.

[boozehound]

This thread is so full of douche. We just responded by dismantling a top 10 team without our starting PG. This team will be fine.

[xu82]

We still need to beat them with or without one of our best players. Yes, I can dismiss this game as an outlier but they have kicked our ass for the past few years now. I do think we can beat them but the fact is we have not done so in a while.

Fair enough. I don't disagree. But that game is not an outlier as much as a non-event. I give zero credence to the outcome, in fact, it may help us later. But time will tell and we have to make it happen.

[SpectorJersey]

Nova can 'own' us all they want, we care about winning in March. I will happily lose 2x this year to Nova if we get an Elite 8 or Final 4. I'd rather have last year's Sweet 16 instead of a second round exit and a win over Nova.

I'm having a hard time understanding what their march record has to do with anything. It's not Xavier birth right to make it deep in March. So if we get swept by them this year we make the elite 8? Their March failures have nothing to do with us. If we want to win this league, we have to start beating them.

I missed nothing 82, they blew us out badly. It was a tough deal for Ed and the team to come back from but the numbers don't lie.

Anyways moving in. We own butler. That's for sure

[Section 200]

I'm having a hard time understanding what their march record has to do with anything. It's not Xavier birth right to make it deep in March. So if we get swept by them this year we make the elite 8? Their March failures have nothing to do with us. If we want to win this league, we have to start beating them.

I missed nothing 82, they blew us out badly. It was a tough deal for Ed and the team to come back from but the numbers don't lie.

Anyways moving in. We own butler. That's for sure

The point is that the Nova games don't determine the season. We can lose to Nova and have a great year. We lost to Nova last year and had a better year than they had. It really doesn't matter except to folks like you.

[xu82]

The point is that the Nova games don't determine the season. We can lose to Nova and have a great year. We lost to Nova last year and had a better year than they had. It really doesn't matter except to folks like you.

Not to mention, THAT game is a throw away game. 'Nova's great and I don't deny that. In fact, I hope it to prove true. (Even in the post season for a change.) We just haven't played them yet this year in a fair and balanced game.

[waggy]

Mocking Nova's tourney record is something 2 year olds and UC fans do. And they do have a national championship in the color television era. And a recent final four.

[LA Muskie]

Mocking Nova's tourney record is something 2 year olds and UC fans do. And they do have a national championship in the color television era. And a recent final four.

What he said.


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[SpectorJersey]

What he said.


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Yep. One year we go one round past them and act like their program is terrible in march. The same regional we were in a few years back in Boston they came out as the final 4 team under Jay Wright. 2 years ago they lost to eventual champion Uconn which was a disappointment........ Xavier lost in the first four.

[MuskiePimp23]

What he said.


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Here's the thing. I don't care about Nova making a recent Final Four and winning a title in I think 1985? Now that we are in the same conference, the perception of this New Big East (NBE) amongst the National media is that 10 teams have made the tournament since this conference formed and only 1, Xavier has even made it to the second weekend of the tournament. Villanova had a 1 seed last year and a 2 seed the year before. Those are massive disappointments that neither one of those teams even made a Sweet 16. Perception is reality in the eyes of many in the media and the trickle down affect impacts recruiting, which is the lifeblood of any program.

The bottom line is for this league to get respect, nobody in the National media gives a $hit about Nova winning 30+ games only to flame out every March. The league as a whole needs to get it done. We have a great league and have proven it during the non conference this year. Now we need to win games in March and April to show this league is one of, if not the best basketball conference in the country. That is really what this is all about.

[waggy]

Here's the thing. I don't care about Nova making a recent Final Four and winning a title in I think 1985? Now that we are in the same conference, the perception of this New Big East (NBE) amongst the National media is that 10 teams have made the tournament since this conference formed and only 1, Xavier has even made it to the second weekend of the tournament. Villanova had a 1 seed last year and a 2 seed the year before. Those are massive disappointments that neither one of those teams even made a Sweet 16. Perception is reality in the eyes of many in the media and the trickle down affect impacts recruiting, which is the lifeblood of any program.

The bottom line is for this league to get respect, nobody in the National media gives a $hit about Nova winning 30+ games only to flame out every March. The league as a whole needs to get it done. We have a great league and have proven it during the non conference this year. Now we need to win games in March and April to show this league is one of, if not the best basketball conference in the country. That is really what this is all about.


Respect seems like a kinda nebulus and fleeting thing to "acquire". Personally I'm not going to worry about it. Unfortunately I'm afraid I'm going to have to read garbage like this from a fanbase that's never gotten past 3rd base. AMIRITE?

[Masterofreality]

Is this thread still around? Really?

I feel dumber just posting on here again. I just got back from witnessing a tough team absolutely drawing and quartering a squad who is presently ranked 9th in the Country, and this thread is still around?

Really?

[waggy]

You're not dumber, you're at the same level of dumbness as before, MOR.

[Masterofreality]

You're not dumber, you're at the same level of dumbness as before, MOR.

I'll take that as a compliment, Wags. :laugh:

[waggy]

Just funnin', of course.

[vee4xu]

X just kicked the stuffing out of on of America's topped ranked teams and is 13-1 and we're still stuck on Villanova. Move on already, folks. You're missing a good season stuck in the Villanova mud hole.

[MuskiePimp23]

Respect seems like a kinda nebulus and fleeting thing to "acquire". Personally I'm not going to worry about it. Unfortunately I'm afraid I'm going to have to read garbage like this from a fanbase that's never gotten past 3rd base. AMIRITE?

So you are mocking our whole fan base because we haven't gotten to home plate?

[waggy]

So you are mocking our whole fan base because we haven't gotten to home plate?


Just those that attempt to rip more accomplished program.

[Fireball]

I know I'm really late into this thread and it needs to end but I had to say something in response to the original poster and those who agreed to him.

Watching the play where Sumner was knocked out, his body laying there as it was, I was convinced that the kid was seriously injured. Not basketball-injured. LIFE-injured. Seeing him put onto a stretcher, with a neckbrace, and immobilized, did nothing to change my mind on that. I don't even know the kid and I had tears in my eyes. Can you imagine how the guys on that team felt, who have spent more days with him than not over the past couple years? That's their friend and teammate, carried out on a stretcher, on his way to a hospital, with no idea if he was going to be OK or not.

ANY criticism of how those guys played after that is moronic. Clearly they weren't able to focus at that point. What we saw today versus Butler is what this team is, and they played that way AFTER knowing that Edmond is going to be OK. That's not a coincidence.

This team is basketball-tough, no doubt. It takes a lot more than that to play a game when you see something like that happen to a friend.

[XUGRAD80]

I know I'm really late into this thread and it needs to end but I had to say something in response to the original poster and those who agreed to him.

Watching the play where Sumner was knocked out, his body laying there as it was, I was convinced that the kid was seriously injured. Not basketball-injured. LIFE-injured.

ANY criticism of how those guys played after that is moronic. Clearly they weren't able to focus at that point. What we saw today versus Butler is what this team is, and they played that way AFTER knowing that Edmond is going to be OK. That's not a coincidence.

This team is basketball-tough, no doubt. It takes a lot more than that to play a game when you see something like that happen to a friend.

very well said!

[UCGRAD4X]

X just kicked the stuffing out of on of America's topped ranked teams and is 13-1 and we're still stuck on Villanova. Move on already, folks. You're missing a good season stuck in the Villanova mud hole.

Agreed. Put this thread to bed. Or change the title to "The Day Before, The Day Before Yesterday" or "One Bad Day in Philly" or "Edmond's Revenge" or...just end it!

[JEHARDI]

J
I know I'm really late into this thread and it needs to end but I had to say something in response to the original poster and those who agreed to him.

Watching the play where Sumner was knocked out, his body laying there as it was, I was convinced that the kid was seriously injured. Not basketball-injured. LIFE-injured. Seeing him put onto a stretcher, with a neckbrace, and immobilized, did nothing to change my mind on that. I don't even know the kid and I had tears in my eyes. Can you imagine how the guys on that team felt, who have spent more days with him than not over the past couple years? That's their friend and teammate, carried out on a stretcher, on his way to a hospital, with no idea if he was going to be OK or not.

ANY criticism of how those guys played after that is moronic. Clearly they weren't able to focus at that point. What we saw today versus Butler is what this team is, and they played that way AFTER knowing that Edmond is going to be OK. That's not a coincidence.

This team is basketball-tough, no doubt. It takes a lot more than that to play a game when you see something like that happen to a friend.

Post of the year!

[American X]

Tell you what, let's settle this by getting a whole bunch of beer and beating Villanova in the National Championship game.