Stats that should be tracked

[FIGHTING MUSKETEER]

Hope you all had a great Holiday. Thought about this the other day when reviewing some sites some of you pinpointed to me. I have to say that keeping stat is much more complicated than I thought. Moreover, even though it is mostly objective, there is quite a bit of subjective element/input. You can look here at the NCAA manual - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Basketball/2015EZ.pdf . Anyway, re-watching the Wake game I thought of several stats that are not tracked but should. I also thought this discussion could be a good way of having something to talk about during this long break. Also, I'm assuming these stats are not being tracked. Perhaps they are and some of us just don't know about it, so it may also be a way to learn. So here I go with some suggestions. Try to have fun.

1. Missing first end of a one and one free throw is recorded as 0-1 instead of 0-2. Several years ago I pointed this out in a thread. No one really care then. I still think how this stat is recorded should change since that miss shot is depriving the team of the second opportunity.

2. Rebounding Assist. Many times you see a player grabbing a rebound because a teammate tapped the ball. I think that should be a "rebounding assist". Moreover, we can have offensive and defensive rebounding assists.

Many times coaches and analyst talk about teams that showed more effort, "wanting it more", etc. but the efforts that can be recorded are not being tracked. The rebounding assist and the next stat are ways of identifying the "blue-collar" players (a la Dennis Rodman).

3. I can't come with a better name but I'll call it "Save Balls". With this proposed stat I suggest NCAA track the player that throw his body to the floor and grabs a loose ball or jumps out of the court and saves a ball that was going to go outside.

[MADXSTER]

There are team rebounds when two players come down with the ball.

[Emp]

There are plenty of metrics that do not make the official box. Anyone can record unofficial stats and publish ratings or indices. Kenpom, Whip, ESPN........

TAP ASSISTS and assisted rebounds, have value...... But are infrequent, random, and will crowd a stat box already filled with,IMHO, more valuable info, points in the paint, points off turnovers...second chance pts.......

Still, hustle stats, if they motivate, if the coach values them, the team 's video guys can capture and the SID can publish. Or you could.

Who are our rebound assist leaders?

[Emp]

There are team rebounds when two players come down with the ball.

If a rebound results in continuing play without a whistle, one player gets the rebound, not the team of the two players.

Team rebound are live play missed shot rebounds, where the missed shot goes out of bounds without being rebounded by any individual player.

Next: Deadball rebounds.

[usfldan]

Hope you all had a great Holiday. Thought about this the other day when reviewing some sites some of you pinpointed to me. I have to say that keeping stat is much more complicated than I thought. Moreover, even though it is mostly objective, there is quite a bit of subjective element/input. You can look here at the NCAA manual - http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/Stats_Manuals/Basketball/2015EZ.pdf . Anyway, re-watching the Wake game I thought of several stats that are not tracked but should. I also thought this discussion could be a good way of having something to talk about during this long break. Also, I'm assuming these stats are not being tracked. Perhaps they are and some of us just don't know about it, so it may also be a way to learn. So here I go with some suggestions. Try to have fun.

1. Missing first end of a one and one free throw is recorded as 0-1 instead of 0-2. Several years ago I pointed this out in a thread. No one really care then. I still think how this stat is recorded should change since that miss shot is depriving the team of the second opportunity.

2. Rebounding Assist. Many times you see a player grabbing a rebound because a teammate tapped the ball. I think that should be a "rebounding assist". Moreover, we can have offensive and defensive rebounding assists.

Many times coaches and analyst talk about teams that showed more effort, "wanting it more", etc. but the efforts that can be recorded are not being tracked. The rebounding assist and the next stat are ways of identifying the "blue-collar" players (a la Dennis Rodman).

3. I can't come with a better name but I'll call it "Save Balls". With this proposed stat I suggest NCAA track the player that throw his body to the floor and grabs a loose ball or jumps out of the court and saves a ball that was going to go outside.

As someone who keeps stats, I can say the first one (tracking one-and-one misses) can be hard given the software most schools use. If you miss the front end, you have to track the rebound and pay attention to live-ball action that's happening, so it'd be hard to go back and add the second miss. Also, there are only three fouls per half per team that can be a one-and-one, so it may not happen enough to be worth tracking all that much.


Some I'd be interested in- giving players credit for a steal when they take a charge or cause/take an offensive foul. The offensive player gets a foul and a turnover, but the defender gets no credit. In fact it might be interesting to track fouls drawn in general (and I'm sure it is somewhere). Charges drawn, as well.

Also, I'm always curious about tracking passes that lead to shots. Not just shots made, but shots attempted, too. You could track shooting percentage on passes from a player (assists/shot assists) and see whether he gets the ball to his teammates in good shooting position. Then there's also the blown assist- as in the point guard makes a great pass and then his teammates misses a wide open bunny under the basket.

[XUGRAD80]

One thing I know a lot of coach's track is deflected balls. They want to see just how active their players are with their hands while playing defense. These deflections don't always lead to steals, but they certainly disrupt the other teams offensive flow.

[XU '11]

Some I'd be interested in- giving players credit for a steal when they take a charge or cause/take an offensive foul. The offensive player gets a foul and a turnover, but the defender gets no credit. In fact it might be interesting to track fouls drawn in general (and I'm sure it is somewhere). Charges drawn, as well.

KenPom members can see Fouls Drawn per 40 minutes.

Sumner leads the team at 7.2 (35th nationally, 1st in the BE) followed by Reynolds (5.9) and Macura (5.4).

7-2 Isaac Haas from Purdue leads the country with 9.2 (is there a hack-a-Haas strategy happening to him?).

[STL_XUfan]

The NFL apparently has all of their players wearing RFID chips in their pads this year in order to gather better metrics. While I have no idea how to quantify this information (I'll leave that to '09), I would love to see stats concerning close out speeds on screens. Overall, the amount of previously unquantifiable information this could open up would be amazing.

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