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BandAid
12-31-2015, 01:57 PM
I'm not sure we need him to beat Butler. Just force it down low all game.
That would require our bigs to stay out of foul trouble...
X Factor
12-31-2015, 01:57 PM
Trevon is the only starter with more than 1 FG and he has made 2.
ArizonaXUGrad
12-31-2015, 01:58 PM
His arm was up and the ball was down, he was flying in for the body shot without regard to anyone's safety. It was a football play.
I don't see a play on the ball. Not saying he wanted to hurt anyone.
xufan2434
12-31-2015, 01:59 PM
Lotta missed looks inside. When it rains, it pours. Haven't seen a perfect collective storm in a long time. Wash this game and let's head home for Butler. Fully expect this team to come out with a lot of fight on Saturday. Still believe the guys on this team are different and this won't sit well with them.
Other than a couple lapses on help defense, still nice to see em fighting hard.
X Factor
12-31-2015, 02:00 PM
I also think it's time to start JP over Abel. Remy has done NOTHING lately. His defense isn't great either. He's not Stanley Burrell on the defensive end.
Boro Muskie
12-31-2015, 02:00 PM
I get why he was trying to run it in the first half with the way Nova has been shooting this year... But I simply cannot understand why he's still trying to sneak it in right now
I would [I]guess[I] it is for the sake of saving a little energy and legs for Saturday.
Bearcat_Bounce
12-31-2015, 02:01 PM
Villanova is going to win this game, IMO.
Trevon is the only starter with more than 1 FG and he has made 2.
I'm at the Peach Bowl. What the hell is the score? How could this be?
First game I've missed all year - maybe I'm the irreplaceable one?
ArizonaXUGrad
12-31-2015, 02:02 PM
You then lose JP's energy off of the bench. Farr has been better and more consistent than Reynolds but his energy and scoring off the bench are two things we need.
I also think it's time to start JP over Abel. Remy has done NOTHING lately. His defense isn't great either. He's not Stanley Burrell on the defensive end.
Blue Blooded-05
12-31-2015, 02:02 PM
I just hope we keep them off 100
X Factor
12-31-2015, 02:04 PM
I'm at the Peach Bowl. What the hell is the score? How could this be?
First game I've missed all year - maybe I'm the irreplaceable one?
Oh it's about 90-58 Nova. Sumner got taken off the court on a stretcher about 2 minutes into the game after he got knocked out on a hard (flagrant) foul by Nova. He stiffened up and was motionless for a coupld of minutes. It was over from then on. Nova can't miss.
boozehound
12-31-2015, 02:05 PM
Arcidiacono is a complete dick!
Made perfect sense when they said he was from Philadelphia. You put anyone from Philadelphia anywhere near a sporting event and they turn into the biggest scumbags on the planet.
Jesuit4Life
12-31-2015, 02:05 PM
Don't read too much into this one. Get well soon and happy birthday, Ed.
Happy New Year's.
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X Factor
12-31-2015, 02:05 PM
How does one guy alone get off 14 attempts? Arcidiacano was 7-14 from three by himself!!
ArizonaXUGrad
12-31-2015, 02:05 PM
Damn, this one bothers me. I really wanted to see how Nova shot with a 6'6 pg putting hands in their face. It is way different than 6'1 guards, Davis and Austin just don't have the length.
Oh it's about 90-58 Nova. Sumner got taken off the court on a stretcher about 2 minutes into the game after he got knocked out on a hard (flagrant) foul by Nova. He stiffened up and was motionless for a coupld of minutes. It was over from then on. Nova can't miss.
X Factor
12-31-2015, 02:06 PM
Made perfect sense when they said he was from Philadelphia. You put anyone from Philadelphia anywhere near a sporting event and they turn into the biggest scumbags on the planet.
Yep, JP offered a hand to help him up after a fould and he swatted it away and gave him a "fuck off" look.
xufan2434
12-31-2015, 02:07 PM
Myles' worst game in the last 2 years? I would bet yes
Expect him to have big game on Saturday
X Factor
12-31-2015, 02:07 PM
Damn, this one bothers me. I really wanted to see how Nova shot with a 6'6 pg putting hands in their face. It is way different than 6'1 guards, Davis and Austin just don't have the length.
Yep, and that's why Austin probably won't see much playing time next year with Sumner and Quentin Goodin in the backcourt.
Oh it's about 90-58 Nova. Sumner got taken off the court on a stretcher about 2 minutes into the game after he got knocked out on a hard (flagrant) foul by Nova. He stiffened up and was motionless for a coupld of minutes. It was over from then on. Nova can't miss.
Oh Lord! I'm glad I missed that! Hope he's OK.
BandAid
12-31-2015, 02:07 PM
You'd figure after three years we could figure out some semblance of defense against Villanova.
Also, I no longer have respect for Villanova. Between hurting sumner, Archi refusing Macura's help when up 30, Archi jacking 3s trying to break his own record, Jenkins screaming all day up when 30. Fuck them. Respect lost.
X Factor
12-31-2015, 02:09 PM
You'd figure after three years we could figure out some semblance of defense against Villanova.
Also, I no longer have respect for Villanova. Between hurting sumner, Archi refusing Macura's help when up 30, Archi jacking 3s trying to break his own record, Jenkins screaming all day up when 30. Fuck them. Respect lost.
This.
BandAid
12-31-2015, 02:09 PM
How does one guy alone get off 14 attempts? Arcidiacano was 7-14 from three by himself!!
His last 3 shots or so he was just jacking them up trying to break his personal best
xavierj
12-31-2015, 02:09 PM
How does one guy alone get off 14 attempts? Arcidiacano was 7-14 from three by himself!!
By pulling up from 25 feet out on fast breaks and off balance shots. Its what they do against Xavier.
Newswired
12-31-2015, 02:11 PM
My thoughts exactly. I was just saying to my son how much I respected the Nova fan base. But that respect took a major hit today.
You'd figure after three years we could figure out some semblance of defense against Villanova.
Also, I no longer have respect for Villanova. Between hurting sumner, Archi refusing Macura's help when up 30, Archi jacking 3s trying to break his own record, Jenkins screaming all day up when 30. Fuck them. Respect lost.
Strange Brew
12-31-2015, 02:12 PM
Also, I no longer have respect for Villanova. Between hurting sumner, Archi refusing Macura's help when up 30, Archi jacking 3s trying to break his own record, Jenkins screaming all day up when 30. Fuck them. Respect lost.
Yep, hope the boys remember this one in Feb. Archi is due for a "hard foul".
paulxu
12-31-2015, 02:12 PM
Other than a couple lapses on help defense,
How does one guy alone get off 14 attempts? Arcidiacano was 7-14 from three by himself!!
One of these things is not like the other.
Lamont Sanford
12-31-2015, 02:12 PM
This team got punched repeatedly in the mouth today by Nova and did nothing about it. Beyond embarrassing. We are Nova's bitch.
Don't read too much into this one. Get well soon and happy birthday, Ed.
Happy New Year's.
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Yes, sounds like the circumstances had a factor in the outcome. These things can rattle a team. The rematch at Cintas just got a bit more interesting!
Nigel Tufnel
12-31-2015, 02:12 PM
This.
Agree 100%. I wouldn't mind seeing that asshole piledriven into the Cintas floor. I hate how he dribbles up to his shoulders walking down the court. I hate how Nova players were laughing and taking shit 5 minutes after sending one of our players to the hospital. Nova can eat a bag of dicks. So can Jay Wright.
boozehound
12-31-2015, 02:16 PM
My thoughts exactly. I was just saying to my son how much I respected the Nova fan base. But that respect took a major hit today.
You should have known better. Most are from Philadelphia.
Nigel Tufnel
12-31-2015, 02:19 PM
Yep. I used to admire Nova and Wright. No longer. That game was over the minute Sumner went down. Trevon almost looked like he was In tears with concern. Instead of dispatching of X in a classy manner, Nova took the low road. It used to bum me out how they'd flame out in the tourney...now, I'm going to laugh when it happens. And it will happen. X will be playing in the tourney when Archole is sitting at home dribbling the ball at his shoulders.
RoseyMuskie
12-31-2015, 02:22 PM
Attended game. Early thoughts:
X was relaxed, amped up, and having fun in warmups. I felt good about game.
I was about fifty feet from the Sumner injury. The teams energy was immediately zapped. It was palpable.
Nova hit some wide opens threes, but hit a lot of contested shots. The Nova fans behind me were constantly saying "what is he doing?" and they'd hit the shot.
Speaking of fans. Most were friendly and pleasant to deal with. One "Philly" fan yelled "good hit, Jenkins!" after the injury. Again, we were fifty feet from the action, it was evident Sumner's hand was limp. Called him classless.
Later in the game, after a Reynolds block, he yelled "I'm happy Sumner is in the hospital." Most Nova fans were disgusted.
The Pavilion is a complete dump. Seats made for small people. Plain concourses. It's worse than Hinkle (yes, I said that).
xufan2434
12-31-2015, 02:24 PM
Feb 24th can't get here quick enough
BMoreX
12-31-2015, 02:25 PM
Was there too. Luckily was with the X contingent up in the rafters.
It is worse than Hinkle. And Hinkle is a dump.
ArizonaXUGrad
12-31-2015, 02:26 PM
Well this is the city that destroyed the hitchhiking robot, what do you really expect for this trash. Didn't that stupid robot make it across Canada in 2 weeks?
X-Men
12-31-2015, 02:27 PM
Feb 24th can't get here quick enough
That is an understatement.
vee4xu
12-31-2015, 02:30 PM
Forget February 24. There's too much important basketball to be played in the meantime. X has a game against at Top 10 team on Saturday that's more important at the moment. Just throw this one in the trash can and pray to God that young Sumner is okay.
Nigel Tufnel
12-31-2015, 02:36 PM
This is a clip of Bill Burr trashing a bunch of drunk Philadelphia people at an Opie & Anthony comedy tour. Love the part about Joe Frazier being from Philly but they are stupid and racist that they idolize a fictitious 5' 6" Rocky. Enjoy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jMhoGUiIkk
ArizonaXUGrad
12-31-2015, 02:38 PM
Mack at the Presser said Sumner will be good long term, but short term remains to be seen. A little good news, but hopefully more to come.
This is a clip of Bill Burr trashing a bunch of drunk Philadelphia people at an Opie & Anthony comedy tour. Love the part about Joe Frazier being from Philly but they are stupid and racist that they idolize a fictitious 5' 6" Rocky. Enjoy.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3jMhoGUiIkk
maketewahXalum
12-31-2015, 02:42 PM
Yep, and that's why Austin probably won't see much playing time next year with Sumner and Quentin Goodin in the backcourt.
With Quentin Gooden coming in, and Sumner coming back, I would be somewhat surprised if Austin doesn't go the Brandon Randolph route and transfer. They playing time just won't be there for him.
Dear Lord, I just didn't care for the game when Sumner went down. I imagine that was how the team felt as well, to a much larger degree, which might explain the final score.
Let's hope Ed is back in action in 2-3 weeks.
XMuskieFTW
12-31-2015, 02:48 PM
With Quentin Gooden coming in, and Sumner coming back, I would be somewhat surprised if Austin doesn't go the Brandon Randolph route and transfer. They playing time just won't be there for him.
Dear Lord, I just didn't care for the game when Sumner went down. I imagine that was how the team felt as well, to a much larger degree, which might explain the final score.
Let's hope Ed is back in action in 2-3 weeks.
I don't think Larry will go anywhere. We won't be that deep at guard play next year. Sumner and Myles starting with Larry and Quentin backing up. Larry will still find minutes. Don't see him going anywhere.
If anyone came close in pick the score, they should be under suspicion and banished from Dana's.
novachap
12-31-2015, 02:53 PM
Mack at the Presser said Sumner will be good long term, but short term remains to be seen. A little good news, but hopefully more to come.
That is very good news. Game was not what it should have been. He makes a huge difference and I for one wanted to see how Nova would do against the New X.
As I said previously on this board, I believe this is your year as well. The game at Cintas will be much different and I wouldn't be surprised if Xavier won by 20. Obviously Nova shot lights out and would have beaten most anybody today.
in the long run, nova has more holes this year than X. To me where nova struggles, contrary to what most experts say of down low against bigs, is against long athletic guards. He would have ensured the game would have been much closer. Best of luck, you guys are clearly a top 10 team
XfansinKy
12-31-2015, 02:56 PM
I don't know if I even checked the score after Sumner's fall. Just kind of watched the game. Gotta figure his friends/teammates just weren't gonna get with it today. Understandable.
mohr5150
12-31-2015, 03:00 PM
Watching that play over and over again makes me come to the conclusion that Ochefu was very careless with his actions but not intentional. How Sumner isn't dead is a question, though. That was a whole lot of weight that came right down on his head. I'm not sure what could have been called other than a foul, but there needs to be something instituted for carelessness like that.
xukeith
12-31-2015, 03:02 PM
When Hank Gathers DIED playing BB, did their team fold up?
No. They exceeded expectations, won, and kept winning until playing UNLV in Elite 8.
Our players completely lost focus on how to play. Villanova simply had lots more talent ad their 3 game was ON, destroying our defense everywhere.
xumuskies08
12-31-2015, 03:03 PM
Let's not overreact about this game. Was it ugly? Yep. Was is disappointing? Sure. Was it at all indicative of how good this Xavier team is? I don't think so. Also, there's nothing dirty about going for a block on a run out. It was unfortunate, but injuries happen. Hate on Archi for jacking up 14 threes in a 30 point win if you must, but Nova isn't a dirty team.
Xavier is still a top 10 team. Still #1 in the RPI, still in the top 10 in KenPom. One loss doesn't change that. I'm more worried about Sumner than the game today. I bet most of the guys on the floor felt the same way. I'd burn the tape of this game, the Xavier team from the first 12 games was nowhere to be found out there today.
Come back, beat Butler, stay in the top 10, Get Sumner back, get revenge on Feb 24th.
X-Men
12-31-2015, 03:06 PM
Let's not overreact about this game. Was it ugly? Yep. Was is disappointing? Sure. Was it at all indicative of how good this Xavier team is? I don't think so. Also, there's nothing dirty about going for a block on a run out. It was unfortunate, but injuries happen. Hate on Archi for jacking up 14 threes in a 30 point win if you must, but Nova isn't a dirty team.
Xavier is still a top 10 team. Still #1 in the RPI, still in the top 10 in KenPom. One loss doesn't change that. I'm more worried about Sumner than the game today. I bet most of the guys on the floor felt the same way. I'd burn the tape of this game, the Xavier team from the first 12 games was nowhere to be found out there today.
Come back, beat Butler, stay in the top 10, Get Sumner back, get revenge on Feb 24th.
Amen.
ammtd34
12-31-2015, 03:06 PM
When Hank Gathers DIED playing BB, did their team fold up?
No. They exceeded expectations, won, and kept winning until playing UNLV in Elite 8.
Our players completely lost focus on how to play. Villanova simply had lots more talent ad their 3 game was ON, destroying our defense everywhere.
Good lord.
throwbackmuskie
12-31-2015, 03:06 PM
When Hank Gathers DIED playing BB, did their team fold up?
No. They exceeded expectations, won, and kept winning until playing UNLV in Elite 8.
Our players completely lost focus on how to play. Villanova simply had lots more talent ad their 3 game was ON, destroying our defense everywhere.
This is such a horrible example, the game Geathers died in was suspended.
xukeith
12-31-2015, 03:19 PM
Sumner is Walking and talking and doing more tests. I would be shocked if we see him play against Butler..
BMoreX
12-31-2015, 03:20 PM
He's flying back with the team per Mack on Twitter. Releases from hospital. Earlier he was going to fly back later tonight commercial.
That's really good news.
vee4xu
12-31-2015, 03:22 PM
Evidently, Sumner's parents were watching on TV. That had to be an awful experience for them. Glad is sounding like to news is getting better and better. Happy for Ed and happy for his family.
drudy23
12-31-2015, 03:24 PM
After about the 12:00 minute mark, you could tell it wasn't our day. We weren't winning today.
xufan2020
12-31-2015, 03:40 PM
Tough loss, Sumner returning with the team is great news.
In perspective, I can understand how the guys got rattled. I just hope they're better prepared to play without key players who may get injured later in the season (Knock on wood).
I don't the Arch was trying to hurt Ed. And regarding his swipe at JP's hand, I think we should keep in mind how likable of a player JP is to an opposing team (very unlikable). It's great to have players like JP on your team, but I'm not offended when opposing players blow him off. Though, I do think Arch is due for a good hard foul, when Nova comes to Cintas.
Hope they will be ready for Butler. GO X!
ArizonaXUGrad
12-31-2015, 03:46 PM
I keep re-watching it, there was nothing basketball about that play. He was making a statement to Sumner with his body and should have been issued a flagrant accordingly. Refs absolutely made a huge mistake on that.
Let's not overreact about this game. Was it ugly? Yep. Was is disappointing? Sure. Was it at all indicative of how good this Xavier team is? I don't think so. Also, there's nothing dirty about going for a block on a run out. It was unfortunate, but injuries happen. Hate on Archi for jacking up 14 threes in a 30 point win if you must, but Nova isn't a dirty team.
Xavier is still a top 10 team. Still #1 in the RPI, still in the top 10 in KenPom. One loss doesn't change that. I'm more worried about Sumner than the game today. I bet most of the guys on the floor felt the same way. I'd burn the tape of this game, the Xavier team from the first 12 games was nowhere to be found out there today.
Come back, beat Butler, stay in the top 10, Get Sumner back, get revenge on Feb 24th.
GoMuskies
12-31-2015, 04:11 PM
When Hank Gathers DIED playing BB, did their team fold up?
No. They exceeded expectations, won, and kept winning until playing UNLV in Elite 8.
Our players completely lost focus on how to play. Villanova simply had lots more talent ad their 3 game was ON, destroying our defense everywhere.
Yes, Gathers teammates went on a great run. Two weeks later.
bleedXblue
12-31-2015, 04:18 PM
With Quentin Gooden coming in, and Sumner coming back, I would be somewhat surprised if Austin doesn't go the Brandon Randolph route and transfer. They playing time just won't be there for him.
Dear Lord, I just didn't care for the game when Sumner went down. I imagine that was how the team felt as well, to a much larger degree, which might explain the final score.
Let's hope Ed is back in action in 2-3 weeks.
Lets hope Larry can step up and play some decent basketball while Ed is out. He is clearly not a top level D1 guy. If he decides to transfer, it would likely be good for both X and him.
Xville
12-31-2015, 04:20 PM
Lets hope Larry can step up and play some decent basketball while Ed is out. He is clearly not a top level D1 guy. If he decides to transfer, it would likely be good for both X and him.
It's strange because he showed flashes last year that he could play at this level, not much this season so far unfortunately.
XUFan09
12-31-2015, 04:24 PM
He hasn't had the playing time to get in a groove and develop anything this season.
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Cheesehead
12-31-2015, 04:25 PM
I thought the play was on Sumner was at least reviewable. My emotions may prevent me from being unbiased but was there an actual play on the ball?
MauriceX
12-31-2015, 04:26 PM
My thoughts -
When Nova is clicking, I don't think anyone in the country can beat them. Today we fell into the "anyone in the country" category.
Sumner's injury was scary. Our team without him is scary. I'm glad he is doing OK, both for him and our team. I don't think we could have beaten Nova if he was in the game, but I do think he would have made a difference. His offense was missed, and we turned the ball over a lot. (Credit to Nova on the turnovers though, they were playing very high energy)
I absolutely love Chris Mack. During the injury, he was right there with Ed. After returning to the bench, he didn't coach the team but asked the TV announcers to let Ed's mom know that he was conscious and moving his extremities. Then Mack's comments in the postgame presser really amazed me. The part about telling the team to go see their friend while he was laying in pain really drove the point home. He gets that there is more going on than a game being played on the court. He isn't just a good basketball coach, he is a good role model in life. I hope he sticks around forever.
bleedXblue
12-31-2015, 04:30 PM
I have just a couple of thoughts.......all with a very clear understanding that the Sumner injury had a big impact on todays game.
1. Villanova has our number. The defense was embarrassing most of the game. Flat out embarrassing.
2. I start Farr from here on out. He's EARNED it. Jalen continues to not earn it. Send a clear message Mack.
3. Villanova is like 100 times more athletic than we are at just about every position. Better come up with a better game plan next time Coach Mack. That's 5 losses in a row to Nova. Time to step up the game plan and adjust.
Cheesehead
12-31-2015, 04:30 PM
My thoughts -
When Nova is clicking, I don't think anyone in the country can beat them. Today we fell into the "anyone in the country" category.
Sumner's injury was scary. Our team without him is scary. I'm glad he is doing OK, both for him and our team. I don't think we could have beaten Nova if he was in the game, but I do think he would have made a difference. His offense was missed, and we turned the ball over a lot. (Credit to Nova on the turnovers though, they were playing very high energy)
I absolutely love Chris Mack. During the injury, he was right there with Ed. After returning to the bench, he didn't coach the team but asked the TV announcers to let Ed's mom know that he was conscious and moving his extremities. Then Mack's comments in the postgame presser really amazed me. The part about telling the team to go see their friend while he was laying in pain really drove the point home. He gets that there is more going on than a game being played on the court. He isn't just a good basketball coach, he is a good role model in life. I hope he sticks around forever.
Chris got choked up during radio post game with Byron and Joe. I was also impressed. This might even make team stronger in long run. Godspeed Edmund and the Xavier Musketeers.'
bleedXblue
12-31-2015, 04:37 PM
I thought the play was on Sumner was at least reviewable. My emotions may prevent me from being unbiased but was there an actual play on the ball?
100% agree. It was VERY clear they weren't going to allow him an easy path to the basket. You must make a play on the ball. Attempt to actually block the shot. You cant go carelessly into the play with your body and not have an intentional foul called. The fact that it wasn't even reviewed is another indication that the referee crew was completely incompetent.
JEHARDI
12-31-2015, 04:39 PM
I have just a couple of thoughts.......all with a very clear understanding that the Sumner injury had a big impact on todays game.
1. Villanova has our number. The defense was embarrassing most of the game. Flat out embarrassing.
2. I start Farr from here on out. He's EARNED it. Jalen continues to not earn it. Send a clear message Mack.
3. Villanova is like 100 times more athletic than we are at just about every position. Better come up with a better game plan next time Coach Mack. That's 5 losses in a row to Nova. Time to step up the game plan and adjust.
Would not read too much into this game, forget about it and move on. Step off the ledge.
D-West & PO-Z
12-31-2015, 04:39 PM
Wow FML, really hope Ed is ok long term, didnt get a chance to read through the thread but seems like he wont be playing in the Butler game at the very least.
I did manage to get through the day without hearing anything to come back and watch the recorded version, I feel luck I was able to fast forward the majority of the game.
Ugh
JEHARDI
12-31-2015, 04:40 PM
I have just a couple of thoughts.......all with a very clear understanding that the Sumner injury had a big impact on todays game.
1. Villanova has our number. The defense was embarrassing most of the game. Flat out embarrassing.
2. I start Farr from here on out. He's EARNED it. Jalen continues to not earn it. Send a clear message Mack.
3. Villanova is like 100 times more athletic than we are at just about every position. Better come up with a better game plan next time Coach Mack. That's 5 losses in a row to Nova. Time to step up the game plan and adjust.
Would not read too much into this game, forget about it and move on. Step off the ledge.
Cheesehead
12-31-2015, 04:41 PM
Would not read too much into this game, forget about it and move on. Step off the ledge.
I also think Farr needs to start and bring Jalen off bench. Jalen is not helping his cause and really only had a couple of really good games so far. He is a bit of a head case.
X-band '01
12-31-2015, 04:41 PM
He's flying back with the team per Mack on Twitter. Releases from hospital. Earlier he was going to fly back later tonight commercial.
That's really good news.
Even if he doesn't play Saturday, having Ed at Cintas would be a huge emotional lift for Xavier. Butler is also going to be coming into the game following a home loss to Providence.
OTRMUSKIE
12-31-2015, 04:45 PM
Did Mack say Ed won't be playing Sat? I know it looked bad but he is flying home with team. I bet he plays Sat.
XU 23
12-31-2015, 04:48 PM
Did Mack say Ed won't be playing Sat? I know it looked bad but he is flying home with team. I bet he plays Sat.
Let's hope. We were shown today what we look like without him.
bleedXblue
12-31-2015, 04:51 PM
Would not read too much into this game, forget about it and move on. Step off the ledge.
I'm not on the ledge. Help me understand what isn't concerning about a very clear pattern that's emerged with Villanova? We've yet to give them even a test the last 5 times we've played.
Woodburn
12-31-2015, 04:54 PM
When Hank Gathers DIED playing BB, did their team fold up?
No. They exceeded expectations, won, and kept winning until playing UNLV in Elite 8.
Our players completely lost focus on how to play. Villanova simply had lots more talent ad their 3 game was ON, destroying our defense everywhere.
You are a fucking moron.
TUclutch
12-31-2015, 05:00 PM
xukeith is clearly the biggest tool on here
Xville
12-31-2015, 05:00 PM
I'm not on the ledge. Help me understand what isn't concerning about a very clear pattern that's emerged with Villanova? We've yet to give them even a test the last 5 times we've played.
I think you throw this game away. Lose your arguably most important player at the beginning of the game, especially with an injury that looked extremely bad, and 18-22 year olds are going to lose their focus. I think the outcome would have been quite different today with a healthy ed. Unfortunately this team doesn't seem to have an adequate backup pg right now. Larry doesn't seem to be a player at this level at this point, and Myles is not a good ball handler nor decision maker with the ball in his hands.
D-West & PO-Z
12-31-2015, 05:03 PM
Did Mack say Ed won't be playing Sat? I know it looked bad but he is flying home with team. I bet he plays Sat.
NFL players sit out 2 weeks sometimes with concussions. Not sure if basketball protocol is different but I'd be shocked if he plays Saturday. He lost consciousness. He now has a brain injury, they need to make damn sure he's ok before he plays again. The worst thing that can happen after a concussion is to get another soon after.
xubrew
12-31-2015, 05:08 PM
Yep, JP offered a hand to help him up after a fould and he swatted it away and gave him a "fuck off" look.
Well let's not offer to help him up next time.
Xville
12-31-2015, 05:12 PM
NFL players sit out 2 weeks sometimes with concussions. Not sure if basketball protocol is different but I'd be shocked if he plays Saturday. He lost consciousness. He now has a brain injury, they need to make damn sure he's ok before he plays again. The worst thing that can happen after a concussion is to get another soon after.
Does it not seem weird that he would be flying home with a concussion. I'm not a doctor but to me that just seems weird and not something you would do? Is it possible he doesn't have one? I'm guessing he does but getting on a flight with a concussion seems counterproductive.
xumuskies08
12-31-2015, 05:18 PM
Does it not seem weird that he would be flying home with a concussion. I'm not a doctor but to me that just seems weird and not something you would do? Is it possible he doesn't have one? I'm guessing he does but getting on a flight with a concussion seems counterproductive.
Googling for about 2 minutes leads me to believe that as long as he can handle the cabin pressurization without his head hurting too badly then flying with a concussion isn't a big deal.
Cheesehead
12-31-2015, 05:20 PM
Does it not seem weird that he would be flying home with a concussion. I'm not a doctor but to me that just seems weird and not something you would do? Is it possible he doesn't have one? I'm guessing he does but getting on a flight with a concussion seems counterproductive.
My son had 3 concussions and was treated by children's hospital sports clinic. I don't recall any ban on flying. But who knows? Mack said sumner was dealin with huge headache but that does not mean it's a concussion.
xuwin
12-31-2015, 05:31 PM
I have just a couple of thoughts.......all with a very clear understanding that the Sumner injury had a big impact on todays game.
1. Villanova has our number. The defense was embarrassing most of the game. Flat out embarrassing.
2. I start Farr from here on out. He's EARNED it. Jalen continues to not earn it. Send a clear message Mack.
3. Villanova is like 100 times more athletic than we are at just about every position. Better come up with a better game plan next time Coach Mack. That's 5 losses in a row to Nova. Time to step up the game plan and adjust.
He had a much better game plan. It included Sumner running the offense.
D-West & PO-Z
12-31-2015, 06:02 PM
Does it not seem weird that he would be flying home with a concussion. I'm not a doctor but to me that just seems weird and not something you would do? Is it possible he doesn't have one? I'm guessing he does but getting on a flight with a concussion seems counterproductive.
It is impossible to get knocked unconscious and not get a concussion.
Masterofreality
12-31-2015, 06:10 PM
Not our day today...
But we're still #1 in RPI with 'Nova 2nd.
Masterofreality
12-31-2015, 06:13 PM
My thoughts -
When Nova is clicking, I don't think anyone in the country can beat them. Today we fell into the "anyone in the country" category.
Sumner's injury was scary. Our team without him is scary. I'm glad he is doing OK, both for him and our team. I don't think we could have beaten Nova if he was in the game, but I do think he would have made a difference. His offense was missed, and we turned the ball over a lot. (Credit to Nova on the turnovers though, they were playing very high energy)
I absolutely love Chris Mack. During the injury, he was right there with Ed. After returning to the bench, he didn't coach the team but asked the TV announcers to let Ed's mom know that he was conscious and moving his extremities. Then Mack's comments in the postgame presser really amazed me. The part about telling the team to go see their friend while he was laying in pain really drove the point home. He gets that there is more going on than a game being played on the court. He isn't just a good basketball coach, he is a good role model in life. I hope he sticks around forever.
Everything in this post is spot on. We'll done.
D-West & PO-Z
12-31-2015, 06:27 PM
My son had 3 concussions and was treated by children's hospital sports clinic. I don't recall any ban on flying. But who knows? Mack said sumner was dealin with huge headache but that does not mean it's a concussion.
The headache doesnt but the loss of consciousness does.
Fireball
12-31-2015, 06:51 PM
The only thing we know about the team based on today's game is that they don't respond well when their teammate and starting point guard is taken away on a stretcher. That's it. Once that happened, the guys understandably lost their focus and we saw the results of that. This, other than how long Edmond will be out, gives me NO concerns about how this team will play the rest of the season.
I was proud that the guys were still giving a high amount of effort down late in the game down 30. I was proud that Chris took the time to go talk to the announcers so Edmond's family would know that he was OK. I could not be prouder to be a Musketeer after this 30-point lost, and that is partly based on what happened today.
Ed seems to be OK, and that it great news. Now we'll see what happens with Butler.
Go X.
I thought the play was on Sumner was at least reviewable. My emotions may prevent me from being unbiased but was there an actual play on the ball?
I agree. Sumner was down a long time, wonder if the refs took a look.
I don't think the foul was flagrant. The primary defender went up, not into, Sumner. The Damage could well have come from the following player landing on
Eds head. I'm not sure anyone anticipated that or intended it. Guys go flying all the time after a guy who is hellbent on a dunk.....could easily have happened if Ellis had gone after Sumner on the big second half dunk vs UC.
I'm concerned long term about Ed's style and his safety. It's spectacular but there is no net.
Drew's Crew
12-31-2015, 07:14 PM
When Hank Gathers DIED playing BB, did their team fold up?
No. They exceeded expectations, won, and kept winning until playing UNLV in Elite 8.
Our players completely lost focus on how to play. Villanova simply had lots more talent ad their 3 game was ON, destroying our defense everywhere.
I've been reading this board for a while and this is the dumbest post I've read, period.
This game was going to be a really tough one even with Ed healthy. Once he went down, and Arch started draining 3s, it was game over.
I'm not disappointed with the overall result or effort. I still have a lot of faith in this team moving forward.
The one thing I am concerned with? Our offense was a disaster without Ed. I was disappointed in Myles and LAJ trying to run the point. That scares me because Ed is a skinny dude who could suffer an injury at any time (especially with the way he hits the rack).
This game reminded me of the MD/WVU NCAA game last year when Melo Trimble went down. It was a disaster. Let's hope Ed comes back and stays healthy from here on out!
EastCoastXman
12-31-2015, 07:17 PM
Was at the game and Michael Stevens did go to the monitor to review the play while Ed was down. When he went over to Jay and Jay didn't throw a fit I knew no F1 was coming.
paulxu
12-31-2015, 07:21 PM
My concern is that without Sumner, we really don't seem to have an adequate point guard.
The other guys seem lost, or tentative with the ball in their hands.
Sumner's height is such an advantage along with a good handle.
I'm hoping for a swift return for him, and no lasting effects. We need him I think if we are serious about a FF this year.
xavierj
12-31-2015, 07:45 PM
My concern is that without Sumner, we really don't seem to have an adequate point guard.
The other guys seem lost, or tentative with the ball in their hands.
Sumner's height is such an advantage along with a good handle.
I'm hoping for a swift return for him, and no lasting effects. We need him I think if we are serious about a FF this year.
He will be ok. I see 6 wins and 18-1 coming up. He may miss a couple though.
GreatWhiteNorth
12-31-2015, 07:58 PM
Sumner is fast, tall and can handle the ball and shoot, but he is slim. I can see him suffering from various injuries resulting from collisions during his time playing in college basketball. Mack realizes that as well. He needs to build up more muscles. I pray for his speedy recovery with no lasting damage.
xukeith
12-31-2015, 08:22 PM
We will see what this team can do w/o Sumner. Coaches made adjustments when Thornton broke his foot late in season. I think it is confidence and everyone on same page with defensive intensity and everyone boxing out and rebounding. I am confident we will not play such an awesome team for wahile. Butler lost at home today so one team Saturday (X) will pull it out! Are you not at least glad we are not in a 1 or 2 bid conference?
danaandvictory
12-31-2015, 09:43 PM
I was basically content with everything until that turd walkon hit the three at the end. Deck him. Please. Jesus Christ.
I was really a big believer in Larry coming into this year. He hasn't had many opportunities but he really seems bad relative to Sumner this year. Here is to hoping he embraces the upcoming challenge and earns some minutes. Otherwise, he may even lose his backup spot next year to Goodin
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/681695152654696448/pu/vid/626x360/HnmX0MqvTExzrBJB.mp4
Also, the beauty of the Big East is we will get to see Nova again in February. So we will see if this game was an anomaly or do they really still have our number.
LA Muskie
12-31-2015, 10:05 PM
Summer will go under the NCAA concussion protocol. My brother is an NCAA (soccer) coach. The protocol is fairly strict. The guidelines are not time-based, they are benchmark based. It's virtually impossible to make it through the protocol in one week. It's extremely difficult to do so in less than 2 weeks when there already are manifestations. My guess is that Marquette is our best case scenario. But far more concerning than when he returns is if/how he recovers. New science on concussions shows that they can have serious long-term effects.
As for the play, it was bang-bang. Yes there was a foul, no it was not flagrant or intentional. Come on...seriously???
The loss today was probably inevitable. On the road agains a very good team against which we don't match up well. Add in Sumner going down, and it was bound to be a nightmare. Like Mack said -- keep it all in perspective. Edmond's health is far more important than the outcome of a game.
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GoMuskies
12-31-2015, 10:24 PM
I think it was flagrant. They essentially threw a flying body block at Sumner. Oh well.
XU '11
12-31-2015, 10:32 PM
But far more concerning than when he returns is if/how he recovers. New science on concussions shows that they can have serious long-term effects.
I haven't seen any science that backs that up. Maybe I'll give you NFL players have long-term effects, but the constant pounding by the largest, strongest and fasted men in the world is different from accumulating a handful of concussions playing soccer, basketball or even high school football. If you can link any studies not relating to the NFL, I'd be very interested in reading them.
Strange Brew
12-31-2015, 10:51 PM
I think it was flagrant. They essentially threw a flying body block at Sumner. Oh well.
Just watched it again. The Nova player makes no attempt at the ball while throwing his body full on into Sumner. Maybe not flagrant but definitely close and pretty dirty.
XfansinKy
12-31-2015, 11:14 PM
Just watched it again. The Nova player makes no attempt at the ball while throwing his body full on into Sumner. Maybe not flagrant but definitely close and pretty dirty.
I've watched it too many times. If you watch the entire play, not just the point of impact, it's not a fast developing play at all. Big ol' #2 from Nova cruised in from around the half court line and timed the play and impact. Can't help but wonder after watching it so many times, if "No easy baskets!" was still in Nova's ears when that happened. Although one can only speculate on intent, it was a hard foul, no play on the ball, and someone did get hurt.
Just got to view the foul. (That's as far as I wanted to go into this game.) Hard foul, arms straight up, but there to be in blocking position. The play was meant to send a message, and the game was over. The important part is how we respond to this. I don't care about what transpired after that play, I care much more about how we bounce back. That was scary stuff, and I get the team losing focus after that. Now it's time to bounce back, and we'll be a better team once Ed is back to 100%.
TUclutch
12-31-2015, 11:28 PM
Ive watched the play a ton. It was not flagrant, and in my opinion. #2 Ochefu did try to make a play on the ball but the ball didn't line up with where he swated with his right hand as Sumner was even with the backboard. Ochefu was also not the initial contact and it didn't look like he even made contact with Sumner until he was off balanc and fell. That play was in no way dirty or intentional. It was simply a hard foul that had an unfortunate ending. Move on. The important thing is Sumner is ok and will be able to play again.
LA Muskie
12-31-2015, 11:31 PM
I haven't seen any science that backs that up. Maybe I'll give you NFL players have long-term effects, but the constant pounding by the largest, strongest and fasted men in the world is different from accumulating a handful of concussions playing soccer, basketball or even high school football. If you can link any studies not relating to the NFL, I'd be very interested in reading them.
Not all concussions have grave long term effects. Frankly the vast majority don't. But they can. And it's generally impossible to know which ones will.
In the last 3 years my brother has lost 2 kids to concussions. Not just out a few weeks. Careers over. Admittedly soccer isn't a career sport, so kids and parents are more cautious, but doctors are becoming very conservative. In both instances their unequivocal medical advice was to stop playing entirely.
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MADXSTER
12-31-2015, 11:34 PM
I was kind of surprised they didn't call a double foul on Villanova. Sumner was fouled twice on the same play IMO.
Not all concussions have grave long term effects. Frankly the vast majority don't. But they can. And it's generally impossible to know which ones will.
In the last 3 years my brother has lost 2 kids to concussions. Not just out a few weeks. Careers over. Admittedly soccer isn't a career sport, so kids and parents are more cautious, but doctors are becoming very conservative. In both instances their unequivocal medical advice was to stop playing entirely.
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Most people don't realize the high concussion rate in soccer. It's a big deal, and too often overlooked.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 01:22 AM
I was kind of surprised they didn't call a double foul on Villanova. Sumner was fouled twice on the same play IMO.
That's not a double foul. The first foul gets called, after that the play is dead unless the field goal is scored or there is goaltending.
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LadyMuskie
01-01-2016, 08:15 AM
Ive watched the play a ton. It was not flagrant, and in my opinion. #2 Ochefu did try to make a play on the ball but the ball didn't line up with where he swated with his right hand as Sumner was even with the backboard. Ochefu was also not the initial contact and it didn't look like he even made contact with Sumner until he was off balanc and fell. That play was in no way dirty or intentional. It was simply a hard foul that had an unfortunate ending. Move on. The important thing is Sumner is ok and will be able to play again.
The one thing right here is that the most important thing is that Sumner is okay. The rest is kumbaya nonsense. Time for everyone to realize the Big East circle jerk is over. What happened to Sumner was calculated. Wright doesn't dress like a Boardwalk Empire extra because he's a choir boy. It was obvious their plan was to play very physical and by no means allow Sumner to score with a break away dunk. That's fine. Good to know the game plan from here on out. The way I see it, Nova just joined Gates's sucker punch, Duquesne'a ambush of Frey, and UD's general and continual vileness. Some wanted indignation, well here it is. That was a dirty play and I look forward to Nova losing each and every game from here on out. At least I know they'll be sitting home by the second weekend of the tourney unable to cause anyone else harm. Welcome to the new Big East.
Chester Copperpot
01-01-2016, 08:22 AM
Quote Originally Posted by XU82:
"Most people don't realize the high concussion rate in soccer. It's a big deal, and too often overlooked."
Boy's soccer concussion rates are not that high actually. Less than 20 per 100,000 athletic exposures which is roughly the same as basketball. I wouldnt say it is overlooked but that it is not as prevalent as football, hockey, wrestling, lacrosse, etc...
XfansinKy
01-01-2016, 08:30 AM
I get its game time tomorrow, so #2 and the coaching staff can all go to hell. #2 didn't get his body extended or stretched out because he wasn't worried about blocking Edmon's shot. #2, who's name I can't spell, got to the play a hair late because his teammate was already finishing up the first body check on that play. It's too bad Jay's players don't follow his instructions that well in the NCAA tournament.
bleedXblue
01-01-2016, 09:27 AM
The one thing right here is that the most important thing is that Sumner is okay. The rest is kumbaya nonsense. Time for everyone to realize the Big East circle jerk is over. What happened to Sumner was calculated. Wright doesn't dress like a Boardwalk Empire extra because he's a choir boy. It was obvious their plan was to play very physical and by no means allow Sumner to score with a break away dunk. That's fine. Good to know the game plan from here on out. The way I see it, Nova just joined Gates's sucker punch, Duquesne'a ambush of Frey, and UD's general and continual vileness. Some wanted indignation, well here it is. That was a dirty play and I look forward to Nova losing each and every game from here on out. At least I know they'll be sitting home by the second weekend of the tourney unable to cause anyone else harm. Welcome to the new Big East.
This exactly. F Villanova, F Jay Wright. I too believe the plan was to not allow Sumner an easy bucket. Mack and team better take note and play with chip on their shoulder from here on out.
bleedXblue
01-01-2016, 09:33 AM
I've watched it too many times. If you watch the entire play, not just the point of impact, it's not a fast developing play at all. Big ol' #2 from Nova cruised in from around the half court line and timed the play and impact. Can't help but wonder after watching it so many times, if "No easy baskets!" was still in Nova's ears when that happened. Although one can only speculate on intent, it was a hard foul, no play on the ball, and someone did get hurt.
I can't believe Mack and staff wasn't more outraged. Maybe it was the shock and concern for Sumner. Nothing you can do about it now other than use it as motivation for the rest of the year.....and when they return to Cincy in Feb.
xukeith
01-01-2016, 09:36 AM
Ive watched the play a ton. It was not flagrant, and in my opinion. #2 Ochefu did try to make a play on the ball but the ball didn't line up with where he swated with his right hand as Sumner was even with the backboard. Ochefu was also not the initial contact and it didn't look like he even made contact with Sumner until he was off balanc and fell. That play was in no way dirty or intentional. It was simply a hard foul that had an unfortunate ending. Move on. The important thing is Sumner is ok and will be able to play again.
agree. Not dirty or bad will towards a better, more talented team.
The yplay was normal. It was the fall and landing on his head that caused this accident.
Mack says repeatedly that Sumner falls and looks like he injures himself repeatedly and he was not worried about his play.
Scariest thing was the seizure and stop of movement(blackout).
D-West & PO-Z
01-01-2016, 10:14 AM
agree. Not dirty or bad will towards a better, more talented team.
The yplay was normal. It was the fall and landing on his head that caused this accident.
Mack says repeatedly that Sumner falls and looks like he injures himself repeatedly and he was not worried about his play.
Scariest thing was the seizure and stop of movement(blackout).
Yes that's called posturing and it's very scary and demonstrates the seriousness of the situation. Essentially one muscle group stops working while the opposing group is working causing the flexion of his wrist and fingers. That's a scary site.
Yes that's called posturing and it's very scary and demonstrates the seriousness of the situation. Essentially one muscle group stops working while the opposing group is working causing the flexion of his wrist and fingers. That's a scary site.
A few years back, I was participating in and witnessed my good friend suffer a severe concussion while playing touch football. He dove head-first into a post and was knocked unconscious for a solid 45 seconds. His hands and arms seized similar to Sumner's yesterday. My buddy was treated promptly at the hospital and released that day, but he still has long-term issues with concentration, information retention, and memory loss.
It was absolutely terrifying to see, and I cannot imagine what was going through the mind of Ed's mother as she watched her son laying there. Hope and pray Ed will continue to get better and healthy. Basketball is absolutely meaningless in this situation.
-->X<--
01-01-2016, 10:31 AM
Quote Originally Posted by XU82:
"Most people don't realize the high concussion rate in soccer. It's a big deal, and too often overlooked."
Boy's soccer concussion rates are not that high actually. Less than 20 per 100,000 athletic exposures which is roughly the same as basketball. I wouldnt say it is overlooked but that it is not as prevalent as football, hockey, wrestling, lacrosse, etc...
This really surprises me, considering how often players hit that hard soccer ball off their heads. I wounder if many concussions go unreported.
Thrilled to read that Sumner made the trip back with his teammates. Very scary situation.
D-West & PO-Z
01-01-2016, 10:33 AM
A few years back, I was participating in and witnessed my good friend suffer a severe concussion while playing touch football. He dove head-first into a post and was knocked unconscious for a solid 45 seconds. His hands and arms seized similar to Sumner's yesterday. My buddy was treated promptly at the hospital and released that day, but he still has long-term issues with concentration, information retention, and memory loss.
It was absolutely terrifying to see, and I cannot imagine what was going through the mind of Ed's mother as she watched her son laying there. Hope and pray Ed will continue to get better and healthy. Basketball is absolutely meaningless in this situation.
Yeah that's awful scary shit. I feel terrible for his parents too who had to watch that on TV. Concussions are traumatic brain injuries and there is no real definitive answer to how someone is going to be affected by one or respond afterwards. Here's to hoping Ed recovers as fast and completely as possible for no other reason than his own health and well being in life. Basketball is definitely not at the forefront in this you are right.
XUdenver
01-01-2016, 11:21 AM
Ive watched the play a ton. It was not flagrant, and in my opinion. #2 Ochefu did try to make a play on the ball but the ball didn't line up with where he swated with his right hand as Sumner was even with the backboard. Ochefu was also not the initial contact and it didn't look like he even made contact with Sumner until he was off balanc and fell. That play was in no way dirty or intentional. It was simply a hard foul that had an unfortunate ending. Move on. The important thing is Sumner is ok and will be able to play again.
You watched it a ton, but didn't pay much attention, apparently. #2 is Jenkins, not Ochefu.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 12:44 PM
I've watched it a ton too. Here's what I see:
Sumner on a drive from the wing. Moving full speed but not out of control.
Booth (#5) makes a play on the ball. Arms mostly straight up but moving toward the basket and so there is body contact (foul). Not a particularly hard foul. In fact Booth actually lands on his feet despite the contact.
But Edmond kicked out his legs and his momentum carries him horizontally.
Meanwhile Jenkins (#2) is coming in from the weakside trying to block the shot. He makes no contact with the ball (which at that point Edmond had just heaved up). Nor does he make any body contact with Edmond. But Edmond's legs sweep Jenkins' legs out from under him, causing him to go horizontal himself and -- and here's where the injury occurs--land right on Edmond's head.
The injury is horrible. The play was pretty standard, it was just a freak outcome.
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paulxu
01-01-2016, 12:58 PM
The player that landed on Edmond Sumner is #2 for Villanova. His name is Chris Jenkins.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 01:12 PM
The player that landed on Edmond Sumner is #2 for Villanova. His name is Chris Jenkins.
Correct. It wasn't Ochefu. I've fixed my post.
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bleedXblue
01-01-2016, 01:39 PM
I've watched it a ton too. Here's what I see:
Sumner on a drive from the wing. Moving full speed but not out if control.
Booth (#5) makes a play on the ball. Arms mostly straight up but moving toward the basket and so there is body contact (foul). Not a particularly hard foul. In fact Booth actually lands on his feet despite the contact.
But Edmond kicked out his legs and his momentum carries him horizontally.
Meanwhile Jenkins (#2) is coming in from the weakside trying to block the shot. He makes no contact with the ball (which at that point Edmond had just heaved up). Nor does he make any body contact with Edmond. But Edmond's legs sweep Jenkins' legs out from under him, causing him to go horizontal himself and -- and here's where the injury occurs--land right on Edmond's head.
The injury is horrible. The play was pretty standard, it was just a freak outcome.
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If you watch it again, look at where #2 actually makes contact with Sumner. It's behind the basket. His intent was to not allow Sumner to get a shot off no matter what. His intent IMHO was not to make a fair play at the ball and a block. I call that reckless at best and he should have been call for an intentional foul. I don't know how the refs missed this one. I have no issue with the play that #5 made. Its in front of the basket and I think he made an honest attempt to play the ball.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 01:47 PM
Jenkins left his feet at the top of the arc under the basket. By definition that's in front of the basket. He also swatted at the ball (but missed badly because Edmond had just heaved it up and it had a huge arc). The injury doesn't happen without Edmond's legs inadvertently sweeping Jenkins' out from under him.
The contact happened behind the basket because the players' momentum carried all of them there. But the play started well in front of it.
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Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 01:52 PM
@edmondsumner: Want to thank everyone for keeping me in their prayers yesterday. Really appreciate all the support and love. I'll bounce back. #GIG
Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 02:44 PM
And this:
"@VUCoachJWright: The Nova Nation prayers are with @edmondsumner a true warrior !"
gladdenguy
01-01-2016, 02:45 PM
Mack says Sumner "day to day".
Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 02:46 PM
@FOX19Joe: Chris Mack on Edmond Sumner: Hasn't been diagnosed with anything (concussion). Sumner is day-to-day. Didn't rule him out for tomorrow.
Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 02:48 PM
@FOX19Joe: Mack says Sumner is not in concussion protocol.
Xville
01-01-2016, 02:49 PM
@FOX19Joe: Chris Mack on Edmond Sumner: Hasn't been diagnosed with anything (concussion). Sumner is day-to-day. Didn't rule him out for tomorrow.
Wow...how could he not even have a concussion? Great news that it seems he is going to be ok...that was scary for a bit
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 02:50 PM
The concussion protocol doesn't require a "diagnosis" -- it is based on symptoms and neurological test results as compared to a preseason baseline evaluation. Given the injury and the symptoms immediately following the incident, Ed is required to go through the protocol. And it literally can't be completed in 2 days. Ed ain't playing tomorrow. But there's no reason for Mack to admit that.
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LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 02:52 PM
Wow...how could he not even have a concussion? Great news that it seems he is going to be ok...that was scary for a bit
He didn't say he doesn't have a concussion. He said he hasn't been "diagnosed" with a concussion. That's because a diagnosis is unnecessary. (Although it's also obvious under the circumstances.) The symptoms require application of the protocol.
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LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 02:54 PM
@FOX19Joe: Mack says Sumner is not in concussion protocol.
I find this very, very hard to believe given how my brother has had to apply the protocol.
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X-band '01
01-01-2016, 03:15 PM
Translation: We'll leave Butler hanging as to whether or not he plays.
LadyMuskie
01-01-2016, 03:20 PM
And this:
"@VUCoachJWright: The Nova Nation prayers are with @edmondsumner a true warrior !"
While he's so busy "praying", maybe he should pray for a way to actually excel in the tournament. Or maybe he can pray for defense against the Karma that's bound to bite him in the rear eventually .
XfansinKy
01-01-2016, 03:26 PM
I don't see him playing less than two days after being unconscious for so long. Maybe because I'm an X fan it seemed longer, but it felt like it took an awful long time for him to start moving.
D-West & PO-Z
01-01-2016, 03:49 PM
Summer has a concussion. There's no debate about that he was knocked out by definition he had a concussion. I guess whether he's day to day or in a protocol is debatable or not set in stone, but he had a concussion, anyone saying otherwise is wrong.
Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 04:09 PM
Summer has a concussion. There's no debate about that he was knocked out by definition he had a concussion. I guess whether he's day to day or in a protocol is debatable or not set in stone, but he had a concussion, anyone saying otherwise is wrong.
With all due respect, the guy closest to the situation respectfully disagrees:
"Jeff Goodman
ESPN Insider
Xavier freshman Edmond Sumner, who was removed from the court on a stretcher early in Thursday's loss to Villanova, did not practice Friday, but coach Chris Mack did not rule him out of Saturday's home contest against Butler.
Mack told reporters after practice that Sumner did not sustain a concussion."
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 04:52 PM
Or Mack is wrong. Which he is, if he actually said that. Because D-West is 100% right.
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XUFan09
01-01-2016, 05:00 PM
Translation: We'll leave Butler hanging as to whether or not he plays.
This sums it up nicely. Mack has made it a point in his career as HC that he doesn't have to notify the opposing team whether a guy is able to play and thus won't give them anything.
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Strange Brew
01-01-2016, 05:01 PM
Summer has a concussion. There's no debate about that he was knocked out by definition he had a concussion. I guess whether he's day to day or in a protocol is debatable or not set in stone, but he had a concussion, anyone saying otherwise is wrong.
Um, I've been knocked out and passed concussion protocol more than once. I've not been knocked out and suffered a severe concussion as well. Being knocked out does not necessarily mean a concussion occurred.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 05:10 PM
Um, I've been knocked out and passed concussion protocol more than once. I've not been knocked out and suffered a severe concussion as well. Being knocked out does not necessarily mean a concussion occurred.
Yes it does, because a concussion is any brain injury (to any degree) caused by trauma to the head. Being knocked out is symptomatic of a brain injury. As is losing memory. The concussion may not have lasting effect (i.e., the symptoms may dissipate quickly) but he suffered a medically-defined concussion.
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Muncie
01-01-2016, 05:19 PM
Mack said today per Shannon that Ed is NOT ruled out to play and that he I s NOT on concussion protocol .
OTRMUSKIE
01-01-2016, 05:58 PM
If Ed was knocked out it would have meant a grade 3 concussion which is the highest it goes. If that's the case he wouldn't be playing for a while. So,he must have never lost consciousness and he must have never had a concussion. See ya tomorrow Ed!!!!!!
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 06:31 PM
He was knocked out. He has memory loss. They don't grade concussions anymore but by definition that's a concussion. He will have to go through the protocol or whatever it is that they're calling it to allow Mack to say he's not. He certainly ain't playing tomorrow.
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xukeith
01-01-2016, 06:39 PM
He was knocked out. He has memory loss. They don't grade concussions anymore but by definition that's a concussion. He will have to go through the protocol or whatever it is that they're calling it to allow Mack to say he's not. He certainly ain't playing tomorrow.
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I'd be shocked if he plays significantly) I bet his pain will last 2 more days
GoMuskies
01-01-2016, 06:56 PM
Someone should tell Mack about this concussion protocol.
Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 07:20 PM
Someone should tell Mack about this concussion protocol.
Or the Doctors who are talking to Mack, who are, supposedly, you know, Doctors.
LadyMuskie
01-01-2016, 07:22 PM
Someone should tell Mack about this concussion protocol.
In order to coach sports at the grade school level at my daughter's school, all coaches and coordinators must undergo concussion training. So, you know, there's a bunch of us who are basically neurologists because we took a 1-hour class online. Same thing as med school, really. Pays a little less than I expected.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 07:27 PM
XU has a great team of medical professionals. I'm sure Edmond is getting excellent care. I'm also sure that because of that, he won't play tomorrow.
I don't know why Mack said what he said. I suspect it was because Butler and St. John's were his intended audiences. But that's just conjecture on my part.
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Masterofreality
01-01-2016, 07:28 PM
In order to coach sports at the grade school level at my daughter's school, all coaches and coordinators must undergo concussion training. So, you know, there's a bunch of us who are basically neurologists because we took a 1-hour class online. Same thing as med school, really. Pays a little less than I expected.
Oh, yeah, and that Virtus training about sexual abuse too. That was just exceptional. :dead:
LadyMuskie
01-01-2016, 07:37 PM
Oh, yeah, and that Virtus training about sexual abuse too. That was just exceptional. :dead:
Yes! So we're not only neurologists but also first class detectives and psychologists because of the Virtus training. Again, pay is a little less than I expected it to be what with having so many careers under my belt (and two of them being medical careers). . .
Come to think of it, Mack's girls attend a Catholic school, no? So, he probably took that concussion training online for the team he coaches. So, he's all good.
Yours truly,
Detective LadyMuskie, M.D.
LA Muskie
01-01-2016, 07:44 PM
My bad. Mack said he's day-to-day. No concussion. Edmond's obviously playing tomorrow. After a little scuba and a 3 round spar session.
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D-West & PO-Z
01-01-2016, 08:14 PM
Um, I've been knocked out and passed concussion protocol more than once. I've not been knocked out and suffered a severe concussion as well. Being knocked out does not necessarily mean a concussion occurred.
Yes, yes it certainly does.
D-West & PO-Z
01-01-2016, 08:15 PM
Yes it does, because a concussion is any brain injury (to any degree) caused by trauma to the head. Being knocked out is symptomatic of a brain injury. As is losing memory. The concussion may not have lasting effect (i.e., the symptoms may dissipate quickly) but he suffered a medically-defined concussion.
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Yes someone who knows what they are talking about. Thank you good sir.
XfansinKy
01-01-2016, 08:19 PM
XU has a great team of medical professionals. I'm sure Edmond is getting excellent care. I'm also sure that because of that, he won't play tomorrow.
I don't know why Mack said what he said. I suspect it was because Butler and St. John's were his intended audiences. But that's just conjecture on my part.
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Agree. Not being diagnosed with a concussion and not having a concussion are two different things. He was out cold for minutes.
D-West & PO-Z
01-01-2016, 08:20 PM
My wife is a neuropsychologist, literally an expert of the brain and an expert on concussions. She has confirmed to me that when you are knocked out you have a concussion. There is no debate about it. Again this isn't to say anything of the severity and I don't know when Ed will be back or how he is doing etc etc but he had a concussion whether mack or Shannon or Jeff goodman say so or not. Thems just the facts.
Nigel Tufnel
01-01-2016, 10:41 PM
I'm not remotely educated on this concussion subject. One question I do have...for anyone who might know. Can you have that fencing condition without having a concussion or severe brain injury? Because that was what scared the hell out me. I tried googling it but couldn't get an answer. Fencing is definitely a symptom of concussions. Ed definitely was fencing with his left hand/arm.
Cheesehead
01-01-2016, 11:40 PM
Edmond won't be playing on Saturday and from what I have heard it will likely be 2-3 games. Mack is doing some showmanship. Edmund watched practice today for a bit and then left.
xumuskies08
01-02-2016, 12:04 AM
My wife is a neuropsychologist, literally an expert of the brain and an expert on concussions. She has confirmed to me that when you are knocked out you have a concussion. There is no debate about it. Again this isn't to say anything of the severity and I don't know when Ed will be back or how he is doing etc etc but he had a concussion whether mack or Shannon or Jeff goodman say so or not. Thems just the facts.
I understand and believe you that being knocked out equals brain trauma and brain trauma equals a concussion. So is Mack just lying then? I mean, it can't be both ways.
I just hate all the fucking misinformation.
LA Muskie
01-02-2016, 12:10 AM
I understand and believe you that being knocked out equals brain trauma and brain trauma equals a concussion. So is Mack just lying then? I mean, it can't be both ways.
I just hate all the fucking misinformation.
He's either lying or splitting hairs. Maybe he thinks Butler is too dumb to realize it?
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Xavier
01-02-2016, 12:38 AM
While he's so busy "praying", maybe he should pray for a way to actually excel in the tournament. Or maybe he can pray for defense against the Karma that's bound to bite him in the rear eventually .
Harsh, just sending support for Sumner. Sheesh.
D-West & PO-Z
01-02-2016, 12:44 AM
I understand and believe you that being knocked out equals brain trauma and brain trauma equals a concussion. So is Mack just lying then? I mean, it can't be both ways.
I just hate all the fucking misinformation.
Can't speak to mack's intentions, can only say no debate is needed on if Ed sustained a concussion or not, he did.
XfansinKy
01-02-2016, 08:38 AM
My wife is a neuropsychologist, literally an expert of the brain and an expert on concussions. She has confirmed to me that when you are knocked out you have a concussion. There is no debate about it. Again this isn't to say anything of the severity and I don't know when Ed will be back or how he is doing etc etc but he had a concussion whether mack or Shannon or Jeff goodman say so or not. Thems just the facts.
I've been paying closer attention to your posts because of the facts you were presenting. Appreciate that. I'm no expert at all. I have had a high school n small college(NAIA) career playing ball ruined by 3 pretty serious concussions. Two playing and the last one in a car accident. I don't know about the car accident as I was alone, but the 2 sustained playing ball(1 in practice 1 in game), nobody told me that I postured or was out very long. Honestly, it took a few months for me to be able to consider myself symptom free. At age 28 I got into Knoxville Golden Gloves n while I wasn't at all a contender, I sparred and had some short 3, 1 or 1 1/2 min rounds. Passed all concussion tests although that was near 16 years ago when the tests were closer to an eye exam with a physical. I went back and finished my construction tech/engineering degree at age 40. The reason I mention that is because I know from my own experience, after those concussions, the mind is so very complex. I must have gotten off easy cause I've heard of guys having only one concussion that presents symptoms for life. To me, the non expert, to hear Ed is tweeting, walking around in a lighted bright practice facility is a good sign. Anyways, I got a 100 dollar bill saying he doesn't play if anyone wants to wager. I would like to see him not at the game today with the lights, pyrotechnics, and crazy loud crowd. That would've given me a headache for sure, but again, everybody is different.
LadyMuskie
01-02-2016, 09:30 AM
Harsh, just sending support for Sumner. Sheesh.
A play like that doesn't occur that early in a game unless the head coach drilled it into the players that the guy who just got nationally recognized for his play - specifically breakaways- should, under no circumstances, be allowed to complete a breakaway. I'm not saying he said hurt the guy, but I'd be willing to bet anything that the message about Sumner was clear. Wright is a d-bag. Just because we're all in the same conference doesn't mean we're friends for real.
And Villanova sucks in March. It's pitiful and everyone knows it. So he should pray for some guidance on how to live up to his seeding in the tourney.
bleedXblue
01-02-2016, 09:41 AM
A play like that doesn't occur that early in a game unless the head coach drilled it into the players that the guy who just got nationally recognized for his play - specifically breakaways- should, under no circumstances, be allowed to complete a breakaway. I'm not saying he said hurt the guy, but I'd be willing to bet anything that the message about Sumner was clear. Wright is a d-bag. Just because we're all in the same conference doesn't mean we're friends for real.
And Villanova sucks in March. It's pitiful and everyone knows it. So he should pray for some guidance on how to live up to his seeding in the tourney.
Exactly
American X
01-02-2016, 10:18 AM
So an intentional flying suplex is not okay but a reckless flying suplex is okay? Got it.
If Villanova wants to play that way, they should get some brightly colored tights, replace Jay Wright with Bobby "The Brain" Heenan, and head down to the Philadelphia Spectrum.
XfansinKy
01-02-2016, 10:51 AM
A play like that doesn't occur that early in a game unless the head coach drilled it into the players that the guy who just got nationally recognized for his play - specifically breakaways- should, under no circumstances, be allowed to complete a breakaway. I'm not saying he said hurt the guy, but I'd be willing to bet anything that the message about Sumner was clear. Wright is a d-bag. Just because we're all in the same conference doesn't mean we're friends for real.
And Villanova sucks in March. It's pitiful and everyone knows it. So he should pray for some guidance on how to live up to his seeding in the tourney.
You just hit the bulls eye n I agree 110%
I am a Nova fan that has many connections to XU. I can certainly appreciate and actually enjoy friendly banter. Want to debate who is better, who will win the Big East? Super. I personally think Nova would have won that game even with Sumner but anyone that has played sports knows that XU was clearly impacted and the result is essentially zero reflection of who X is. X is a top tier team and BE and final 4 contender. I have told my Nova peeps that I think Sumner has had a Kyle Lowry type impact on X ( for those that don't know, Lowry took a talented group at Nova and elevated them to a sweet 16 and elite 8/1 seed).
With all that said, I had to join this thread and absolutely defend Jay Wright and our players from the nonsense some are spewing on here. To think that was malicious, intentional, that the Nova players are dics and thugs and Jay is some kind of head hunter coach is so dumb and so idiotic, I had to address it. The play was clean. If you deny that, you clearly have never ever played the sport. It was a hard landing, yes, and I am grateful Sumner is ok, but no way was it dirty and no way did Jay intentionally call that. He is one of the most liked coaches around and a genuine good guy. I can tell you is not that type of guy; trust me. I was at the game and the fans were so concerned and genuinely sad. It was all class, players coaches, Mack and your players. Don't turn it to something evil and stupid. I have said my piece.
Anyway good luck today and the rest of the season.
Juice
01-02-2016, 11:46 AM
I am a Nova fan that has many connections to XU. I can certainly appreciate and actually enjoy friendly banter. Want to debate who is better, who will win the Big East? Super. I personally think Nova would have won that game even with Sumner but anyone that has played sports knows that XU was clearly impacted and the result is essentially zero reflection of who X is. X is a top tier team and BE and final 4 contender. I have told my Nova peeps that I think Sumner has had a Kyle Lowry type impact on X ( for those that don't know, Lowry took a talented group at Nova and elevated them to a sweet 16 and elite 8/1 seed).
With all that said, I had to join this thread and absolutely defend Jay Wright and our players from the nonsense some are spewing on here. To think that was malicious, intentional, that the Nova players are dics and thugs and Jay is some kind of head hunter coach is so dumb and so idiotic, I had to address it. The play was clean. If you deny that, you clearly have never ever played the sport. It was a hard landing, yes, and I am grateful Sumner is ok, but no way was it dirty and no way did Jay intentionally call that. He is one of the most liked coaches around and a genuine good guy. I can tell you is not that type of guy; trust me. I was at the game and the fans were so concerned and genuinely sad. It was all class, players coaches, Mack and your players. Don't turn it to something evil and stupid. I have said my piece.
Anyway good luck today and the rest of the season.
Haha, this group is all too familiar with Kyle Lowry and what could have been.
MauriceX
01-02-2016, 02:20 PM
I am a Nova fan that has many connections to XU. I can certainly appreciate and actually enjoy friendly banter. Want to debate who is better, who will win the Big East? Super. I personally think Nova would have won that game even with Sumner but anyone that has played sports knows that XU was clearly impacted and the result is essentially zero reflection of who X is. X is a top tier team and BE and final 4 contender. I have told my Nova peeps that I think Sumner has had a Kyle Lowry type impact on X ( for those that don't know, Lowry took a talented group at Nova and elevated them to a sweet 16 and elite 8/1 seed).
With all that said, I had to join this thread and absolutely defend Jay Wright and our players from the nonsense some are spewing on here. To think that was malicious, intentional, that the Nova players are dics and thugs and Jay is some kind of head hunter coach is so dumb and so idiotic, I had to address it. The play was clean. If you deny that, you clearly have never ever played the sport. It was a hard landing, yes, and I am grateful Sumner is ok, but no way was it dirty and no way did Jay intentionally call that. He is one of the most liked coaches around and a genuine good guy. I can tell you is not that type of guy; trust me. I was at the game and the fans were so concerned and genuinely sad. It was all class, players coaches, Mack and your players. Don't turn it to something evil and stupid. I have said my piece.
Anyway good luck today and the rest of the season.
Thanks NOVA. I think most of us know it wasn't intentional or malicious. It was a basketball play. Those saying otherwise are either the vocal minority or just upset about losing a key piece of the team. I also agree that Nova would have won even if X had Sumner, but it would have been a much better show with him in there! Here's hoping for a good game in February!
D-West & PO-Z
01-02-2016, 03:43 PM
Just reported on post game show that Ed is in concussion protocol. No surprise there. Here's to a healthy speedy recovery.
xubrew
01-02-2016, 04:43 PM
Summer will go under the NCAA concussion protocol. My brother is an NCAA (soccer) coach. The protocol is fairly strict. The guidelines are not time-based, they are benchmark based. It's virtually impossible to make it through the protocol in one week. It's extremely difficult to do so in less than 2 weeks when there already are manifestations. My guess is that Marquette is our best case scenario. But far more concerning than when he returns is if/how he recovers. New science on concussions shows that they can have serious long-term effects.
As for the play, it was bang-bang. Yes there was a foul, no it was not flagrant or intentional. Come on...seriously???
The loss today was probably inevitable. On the road agains a very good team against which we don't match up well. Add in Sumner going down, and it was bound to be a nightmare. Like Mack said -- keep it all in perspective. Edmond's health is far more important than the outcome of a game.
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I disagree. No one's health is more important than the outcome of the game. Except for mine.
Section 200
01-02-2016, 06:14 PM
A play like that doesn't occur that early in a game unless the head coach drilled it into the players that the guy who just got nationally recognized for his play - specifically breakaways- should, under no circumstances, be allowed to complete a breakaway. I'm not saying he said hurt the guy, but I'd be willing to bet anything that the message about Sumner was clear. Wright is a d-bag. Just because we're all in the same conference doesn't mean we're friends for real.
And Villanova sucks in March. It's pitiful and everyone knows it. So he should pray for some guidance on how to live up to his seeding in the tourney.
Completely agree. Wright continues to underachieve and he needed that win badly after the duds vs Oklahoma & Virginia. No doubt that he coached the team to foul hard and often.
D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 11:24 AM
@FOX19Joe: Mack says Sumner is not in concussion protocol.
I find this very, very hard to believe given how my brother has had to apply the protocol.
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With all due respect, the guy closest to the situation respectfully disagrees:
"Jeff Goodman
ESPN Insider
Xavier freshman Edmond Sumner, who was removed from the court on a stretcher early in Thursday's loss to Villanova, did not practice Friday, but coach Chris Mack did not rule him out of Saturday's home contest against Butler.
Mack told reporters after practice that Sumner did not sustain a concussion."
Or Mack is wrong. Which he is, if he actually said that. Because D-West is 100% right.
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This sums it up nicely. Mack has made it a point in his career as HC that he doesn't have to notify the opposing team whether a guy is able to play and thus won't give them anything.
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Mack said today per Shannon that Ed is NOT ruled out to play and that he I s NOT on concussion protocol .
Someone should tell Mack about this concussion protocol.
Or the Doctors who are talking to Mack, who are, supposedly, you know, Doctors.
XU has a great team of medical professionals. I'm sure Edmond is getting excellent care. I'm also sure that because of that, he won't play tomorrow.
I don't know why Mack said what he said. I suspect it was because Butler and St. John's were his intended audiences. But that's just conjecture on my part.
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Yes! So we're not only neurologists but also first class detectives and psychologists because of the Virtus training. Again, pay is a little less than I expected it to be what with having so many careers under my belt (and two of them being medical careers). . .
Come to think of it, Mack's girls attend a Catholic school, no? So, he probably took that concussion training online for the team he coaches. So, he's all good.
Yours truly,
Detective LadyMuskie, M.D.
My bad. Mack said he's day-to-day. No concussion. Edmond's obviously playing tomorrow. After a little scuba and a 3 round spar session.
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Edmond won't be playing on Saturday and from what I have heard it will likely be 2-3 games. Mack is doing some showmanship. Edmund watched practice today for a bit and then left.
I understand and believe you that being knocked out equals brain trauma and brain trauma equals a concussion. So is Mack just lying then? I mean, it can't be both ways.
I just hate all the fucking misinformation.
He's either lying or splitting hairs. Maybe he thinks Butler is too dumb to realize it?
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Can't speak to mack's intentions, can only say no debate is needed on if Ed sustained a concussion or not, he did.
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson to take what we hear from the media with a grain of salt. To those of us with some knowledge about concussions it was obvious that Ed sustained one and that he would be going through the protocol regardless of what the media was reporting Mack said at the time. As we now have confirmed he is in the protocol.
Either misunderstanding by Mack or showmanship, probably the latter.
Cheesehead
01-03-2016, 01:01 PM
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson to take what we hear from the media with a grain of salt. To those of us with some knowledge about concussions it was obvious that Ed sustained one and that he would be going through the protocol regardless of what the media was reporting Mack said at the time. As we now have confirmed he is in the protocol.
Either misunderstanding by Mack or showmanship, probably the latter.
Definitely the latter.
Masterofreality
01-03-2016, 01:49 PM
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson to take what we hear from the media with a grain of salt. To those of us with some knowledge about concussions it was obvious that Ed sustained one and that he would be going through the protocol regardless of what the media was reporting Mack said at the time. As we now have confirmed he is in the protocol.
Either misunderstanding by Mack or showmanship, probably the latter.
Yes. Let's always trust guys in Columbus and Los Angeles and Gawd knows where-ever else on a message board miles and miles away, rather than direct quotes from the Head Coach- who is in the same building- mere feet away from the subject.
Let's just all agree to do that. :rolleyes:
LA Muskie
01-03-2016, 02:46 PM
You didn't have to trust us. You just had to use some common sense. If you don't have that, then yes maybe you should trust us.
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Masterofreality
01-03-2016, 02:50 PM
You didn't have to trust us. You just had to use some common sense. If you don't have that, then yes maybe you should trust us.
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I'll believe- and quote - what the Head Coach says in a public press conference, thank you. Others can speculate.
LadyMuskie
01-03-2016, 02:58 PM
Yes. Let's always trust guys in Columbus and Los Angeles and Gawd knows where-ever else on a message board miles and miles away, rather than direct quotes from the Head Coach- who is in the same building- mere feet away from the subject.
Let's just all agree to do that. :rolleyes:
Hey! Show the know-it-alls some respect!
LadyMuskie
01-03-2016, 03:02 PM
I think we've all learned a valuable lesson to take what we hear from the media with a grain of salt. To those of us with some knowledge about concussions it was obvious that Ed sustained one and that he would be going through the protocol regardless of what the media was reporting Mack said at the time. As we now have confirmed he is in the protocol.
Either misunderstanding by Mack or showmanship, probably the latter.
You're right. Anonymous posters on a message board should always be taken more seriously than direct quotes from people actually within the program. Good idea! Great, in fact! Please share more pearls of wisdom with us.
And to be clear, I never said Ed didn't have a concussion. I was just making fun of all of you who were acting as though you're doctors and treating Chris Mack as though he's the village idiot (which you and some others definitely did). Some of you need to calm down. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Congrats, though. You were right. He has a concussion. Wow! Thank God you were validated.
D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 03:33 PM
You didn't have to trust us. You just had to use some common sense. If you don't have that, then yes maybe you should trust us.
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Dont you know common sense goes out the window when the head coach (who is clearly confused or flat out lying (again probably the latter)) says something! He only speaks 100% truth to the media!!!
xudash
01-03-2016, 03:35 PM
Folks,
This whole thing could potentially be explained by one simple, apparent fact: nothing was made official MEDICALLY about Edmund on the day of the injury. Nothing was made official about it the day after that. I believe something then happened that next day that placed him in the protocol. I cannot explain such a sequence; you would think that the gravity of the injury and the nature of it would have led to a rather efficient and timely announcement, but no such announcement came from Philly.
Here's the point, and it is a simple one: Chris is governed/constrained by whatever facts have been substantiated and made public. IF nothing had been made official yet, he would have been under no obligation to announce a concussion state for his student/athlete. It appears as though all that is what happened.
I don't know, given what some of you know about all this, why it wasn't announced in the Philly hospital that Ed suffered a concussion. Seems odd to say the least, considering the young man went off the floor on a stretcher.
But Chris wasn't shackled by an official pronouncement about the injury, so he said what he said.
More importantly, at the end of the day, Chris Mack and the Xavier establishment was first and foremost concerned about the welfare of Sumner. And they've acted accordingly ever since he hit the deck.
On the matter of Jay Wright and Nova and flaming out early in March: I don't see that happening this time. They aren't overly reliant on chucking 3's anymore. They have the ability to attack and penetrate, and they're showing that this season.
Xville
01-03-2016, 03:35 PM
Taking a bunch of quotes from people in the heat of the moment to help drive home that in this case you were right is pretty douchey. Almost as douchey as taking quotes from game threads when the team wasn't doing well but happens to win after the fact. That is also super douchey. I hope to one day be able to climb some of your alls ivory towers.
D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 03:36 PM
You're right. Anonymous posters on a message board should always be taken more seriously than direct quotes from people actually within the program. Good idea! Great, in fact! Please share more pearls of wisdom with us.
And to be clear, I never said Ed didn't have a concussion. I was just making fun of all of you who were acting as though you're doctors and treating Chris Mack as though he's the village idiot (which you and some others definitely did). Some of you need to calm down. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Congrats, though. You were right. He has a concussion. Wow! Thank God you were validated.
My wife literally is a doctor of the brain, I have a doctorate degree (not an MD though) in the medical field. I had a much more than a little bit of knowledge but thanks.
Hell, forget the degrees, if you didnt have the common sense to know Ed had a concussion, google could have told you the same! Which poster of ours is it again that says google is your friend?
Xville
01-03-2016, 03:39 PM
Folks,
This whole thing could potentially be explained by one simple, apparent fact: nothing was made official MEDICALLY about Edmund on the day of the injury. Nothing was made official about it the day after that. I believe something then happened that next day that placed him in the protocol. I cannot explain such a sequence; you would think that the gravity of the injury and the nature of it would have led to a rather efficient and timely announcement, but no such announcement came from Philly.
Here's the point, and it is a simple one: Chris is governed/constrained by whatever facts have been substantiated and made public. IF nothing had been made official yet, he would have been under no obligation to announce a concussion state for his student/athlete. It appears as though all that is what happened.
I don't know, given what some of you know about all this, why it wasn't announced in the Philly hospital that Ed suffered a concussion. Seems odd to say the least, considering the young man went off the floor on a stretcher.
But Chris wasn't shackled by an official pronouncement about the injury, so he said what he said.
More importantly, at the end of the day, Chris Mack and the Xavier establishment was first and foremost concerned about the welfare of Sumner. And they've acted accordingly ever since he hit the deck.
On the matter of Jay Wright and Nova and flaming out early in March: I don't see that happening this time. They aren't overly reliant on chucking 3's anymore. They have the ability to attack and penetrate, and they're showing that this season.
Don't agree with the nova assessment at all. Did you watch the Virginia or Oklahoma games? They are extremely reliant on the three and don't penetrate when shots aren't falling when they play good teams. Yes they can penetrate against the likes of Penn and creighton, but against strong teams, they turtle up when shots aren't falling and that will happen when they come to cintas in my opinion.
xudash
01-03-2016, 03:46 PM
Don't agree with the nova assessment at all. Did you watch the Virginia or Oklahoma games? They are extremely reliant on the three and don't penetrate when shots aren't falling when they play good teams. Yes they can penetrate against the likes of Penn and creighton, but against strong teams, they turtle up when shots aren't falling and that will happen when they come to cintas in my opinion.
No problem. We'll see what happens as the season progresses.
One final post about the concussion business: I just read this on HLOH:
Just to be clear, there is no "Concussion Protocol" in college basketball. There are no milestones or tests that need to be passed before a player returns. It's really a decision thats left up to the medical and coaching staffs. That being said, in the past, Xavier has shown a tendency to be very conservative in returning players from a head injury. Dee Davis and Justin Martin injuries are a good example of this.
D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 03:50 PM
No problem. We'll see what happens as the season progresses.
One final post about the concussion business: I just read this on HLOH:
Just to be clear, there is no "Concussion Protocol" in college basketball. There are no milestones or tests that need to be passed before a player returns. It's really a decision thats left up to the medical and coaching staffs. That being said, in the past, Xavier has shown a tendency to be very conservative in returning players from a head injury. Dee Davis and Justin Martin injuries are a good example of this.
That is interesting. I wonder why there is no official protocol? Maybe because concussions are less frequent in basketball compared to soccer and football? They will obviously still make sure Ed is healthy and good to go either way, protocol and not and that is the most important thing.
I'm fine with having doctors we trust and listening to them rather than some official protocol. Take care of our guys the best we can.
Now, having said that, this got strangely contentious, even for here.
LA Muskie
01-03-2016, 04:35 PM
That's not true. There is a concussion protocol at every NCAA school. The NCAA requires it. The schools and their medical staffs have some autonomy in terms of the specifics of their particular protocols, but they are required to have one -- in writing -- that falls within the NCAA's standards. And they are required to comply with their protocol.
For more information: http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/concussion-guidelines
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That's not true. There is a concussion protocol at every NCAA school. The NCAA requires it. The schools and their medical staffs have some autonomy in terms of the specifics of their particular protocols, but they are required to have one -- in writing -- that falls within the NCAA's standards. And they are required to comply with their protocol.
For more information: http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/concussion-guidelines
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That makes sense, and I like having some autonomy, even if it's to be MORE conservative than the "minimum".
paulxu
01-03-2016, 05:16 PM
Which poster of ours is it again that says google is your friend?
Hey! Don't drag me into this mess.
D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 05:27 PM
Hey! Don't drag me into this mess.
:biggrin:
xudash
01-03-2016, 06:02 PM
That's not true. There is a concussion protocol at every NCAA school. The NCAA requires it. The schools and their medical staffs have some autonomy in terms of the specifics of their particular protocols, but they are required to have one -- in writing -- that falls within the NCAA's standards. And they are required to comply with their protocol.
For more information: http://www.ncaa.org/health-and-safety/concussion-guidelines
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YEP. You appear to be correct. The response to the post I quoted initially from HLOH is as follows:
And that is based on what? With amount of attention concussions have these days, that would surprise me and in fact, I don't believe it is accurate based on this page on the NCAA's web site.
Once diagnosed with a concussion, an athlete may not compete until they have returned to their baseline measurement. Two of my daughters have suffered concussions, one playing basketball, one playing soccer. Fortunately both had a concussion baseline (it is required by North Carolina High School and the soccer club my daughter played for also required it for their higher level teams) so there was no guess work. Take the test, fail and you are not cleared. Once you pass, there are steps and time between steps that must be met before re-entering play. The NCAA web site states something similar:
Once a student-athlete has returned to his/her baseline, the return-to-play decision is based on a protocol of a stepwise increase in physical activity that includes both an incremental increase in physical demands and contact risk supervised by a physician or physician-designee.12 Most return-to-play protocols are similar to those in the Consensus Statement on Concussion in Sport guidelines,2 which outline a progressive increase in physical activity if the individual is at baseline before starting the protocol and remains at baseline throughout each step of the protocol. It is noteworthy that all return-to-play guidelines are consensus-based and have not been validated by evidence-based studies.14-15 McCrea and colleagues16 have reported that a symptom-free waiting period is not predictive of either clinical recovery or risk of a repeat concussion. Further, student-athletes have variable understanding of the importance of reporting possible concussion symptoms.8-9 In summary, it should be recognized that current return-to-play guidelines are based on expert consensus.
Having been through this with two of my kids, it can take a while to come back. Neither of my kids passed the concussion test the first time they were allowed to take it after their concussion. My daughter who got a concussion playing basketball missed almost three weeks but much of it was over the Christmas break so I think she only ended up missing three games (it was a year ago this time). My daughter who got a concussion playing soccer missed more than a month of the season and when she did come back, she was never at full speed and actually suffered a second concussion after which she decided to stop playing. My soccer daughter had two teammates who had pretty severe concussions. One missed a full calendar year of sports because she had multiple concussions in a short period, a couple months as I recall. The other ended missing an entire semester of school because she could not leave a dark room without incurring incredibly severe headaches.
As a parent it is pretty scary. I was at the game when my basketball daughter hit the floor and it sounded like a gun shot in the gym. My soccer daughter suffered her concussion at practice so we were not there. One of the things the concussion doctors we used enforced was no cell phone usage. No texting, Twitter, SnapChat, Facebook, etc. That was probably the hardest part of the recovery. Nothing like taking away a teenage girl's cell phone to create a little tension in the house.
LadyMuskie
01-03-2016, 10:19 PM
My wife literally is a doctor of the brain, I have a doctorate degree (not an MD though) in the medical field. I had a much more than a little bit of knowledge but thanks.
Hell, forget the degrees, if you didnt have the common sense to know Ed had a concussion, google could have told you the same! Which poster of ours is it again that says google is your friend?
Good God. If you go back to read what I wrote, I never said he didn't have a concussion. I don't think I commented one way or the other about his medical condition. I was merely and wholly making fun of (or mocking) you for acting as though you had more insight into the medical condition of a basketball player than said player's coach who likely visited him in the hospital and was getting updates from the many, many doctors on the scene. I too figured he had a concussion, but either way was willing to let Chris Mack be Chris Mack and not make him out in this thread to be the village idiot because I took a concussion training seminar or because I have a doctorate in being a know-it-all. Reading is fundamental! You probably did some reading to get all those degrees you have.
D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 10:39 PM
Good God. If you go back to read what I wrote, I never said he didn't have a concussion. I don't think I commented one way or the other about his medical condition. I was merely and wholly making fun of (or mocking) you for acting as though you had more insight into the medical condition of a basketball player than said player's coach who likely visited him in the hospital and was getting updates from the many, many doctors on the scene. I too figured he had a concussion, but either way was willing to let Chris Mack be Chris Mack and not make him out in this thread to be the village idiot because I took a concussion training seminar or because I have a doctorate in being a know-it-all. Reading is fundamental! You probably did some reading to get all those degrees you have.
I dont believe I ever made Mack out to be a village idiot. I said in a couple posts he was most likely just demonstrating some gamesmanship.
And you making fun of me, LA muskie, or any other poster who knew, FOR A FACT, that getting knocked unconscious means you sustained a concussion just makes you look silly (especially considering you knew nothing of our backgrounds) and since you chose to be so condescending I called you on it. Get over it.
Edit: And I believe I said at least once that I obviously had no insight or no anything about Sumner's condition or how long it would take him to recover or anything. I said I was strictly speaking on it being a fact that when someone is knocked out, they sustained a concussion. But please keep making stuff up.
LA Muskie
01-03-2016, 10:49 PM
Seriously! Calling people out for being "know-it-alls" because they actually knew what they were talking about in a thread in which a surprising number of posters genuinely seemed to think there was a possibility that Ed did not have a concussion or would not be in the protocol. That's special...
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D-West & PO-Z
01-03-2016, 11:18 PM
Seriously! Calling people out for being "know-it-alls" because they actually knew what they were talking about in a thread in which a surprising number of posters genuinely seemed to think there was a possibility that Ed did not have a concussion or would not be in the protocol. That's special...
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Know it all!!! :rolleyes:
XUFan09
01-03-2016, 11:52 PM
Seriously! Calling people out for being "know-it-alls" because they actually knew what they were talking about in a thread in which a surprising number of posters genuinely seemed to think there was a possibility that Ed did not have a concussion or would not be in the protocol. That's special...
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Yeah, the fact that this was a debate was just silly. Most people on this board are likely familiar with Mack's showmanship and how he deals with discussions of injuries. Given that and given the circumstances of the injury, the conclusion was pretty clear. In the face of the obvious, I don't know why people were being so obstinate, other than the fact that message board culture seems to require it. ;)
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Cheesehead
01-03-2016, 11:59 PM
This thread ran its course 3 pages ago
LoveHoops
01-04-2016, 07:44 AM
I was basically content with everything until that turd walkon hit the three at the end. Deck him. Please. Jesus Christ.
Pot meet kettle. I have seen us dunk with 10 pont leads when we could have just ran the clock out at the end of games.
Masterofreality
01-04-2016, 07:47 AM
In the face of the obvious, I don't know why people were being so obstinate, other than the fact that message board culture seems to require it. ;)
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Well, the fact that the Head Coach is quoted by numerous credible sources as directly saying the opposite of what some had posted may have something to do with it. Just maybe.
No other poster said that "no concussion"- especially Lady Muskie- and I was just quoting the quotes from our coach, but the know-it-all then took great offense to some counterbalance that their Hypothesis could be incorrect. Then, of course, some have to take significant time to put together a post quote fest to prove their manhood.
We could all still hope that Ed may have not been that injured based upon what was stated directly from the Head Coach who was right there. That is all.
Jeezuz, take a Valium.
UCGRAD4X
01-04-2016, 08:19 AM
Pot meet kettle. I have seen us dunk with 10 pont leads when we could have just ran the clock out at the end of games.
I'm not saying this has never happened (I have missed a game or two), but I think the standard for this program for as long as I can recall has been to run clock - even with the walk-ons. It is something I have always appreciated and respected about X. I am curious to know when the last time this happened. If a rogue walk-on did this with the game so clearly out of reach I would not be surprised to hear that he received a slight correction.
BTW - I don't necessarily blame the guy for launching the three, he may never have the chance against X again. I just wonder if it is a 'policy' with Nova as it seems to be with X.
GoMuskies
01-04-2016, 09:06 AM
I think the blanket policy should be that walkons are allowed to play the game out even if the shot clock is off. Scholarship players? They should have to sit on the ball and let time expire.
ammtd34
01-04-2016, 09:10 AM
I loved this when it happened and I don't care when it happens to us.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op4yxxB0nws
bigdiggins
01-04-2016, 09:20 AM
If you don't want garbage threes made on you, play better defense. At least until the Big East starts handing out participation trophies at the end of the conference season.
D-West & PO-Z
01-04-2016, 09:21 AM
Well, the fact that the Head Coach is quoted by numerous credible sources as directly saying the opposite of what some had posted may have something to do with it. Just maybe.
No other poster said that "no concussion"- especially Lady Muskie- and I was just quoting the quotes from our coach, but the know-it-all then took great offense to some counterbalance that their Hypothesis could be incorrect. Then, of course, some have to take significant time to put together a post quote fest to prove their manhood.
We could all still hope that Ed may have not been that injured based upon what was stated directly from the Head Coach who was right there. That is all.
Jeezuz, take a Valium.
Maybe if he finds some you can borrow one?
And MOR I like ya but this coming from you is hilarious. You've tried to present more things as fact with literally zero evidence on this board than anyone and taken offense when anyone dare question it. I took no offense because it wasnt a hypothesis it was fact. But honestly, you calling anyone a know it all? HILARIOUS!
D-West & PO-Z
01-04-2016, 09:27 AM
I think the blanket policy should be that walkons are allowed to play the game out even if the shot clock is off. Scholarship players? They should have to sit on the ball and let time expire.
Yeah these are my thoughts on it. Let the walk ons have a moment who cares.
I hope we wear our walk-ons out!
xubrew
01-04-2016, 09:42 AM
If you're a mid level Patriot League or NEC school, and you're playing a power program that's in the rankings, and they run the score up, then I can see being critical of it.
I think that any team that's in the rankings who complains about having the score run up on them should be banned from the rankings for an entire year. Basically, this says "We suck, so we've given up because we have no interest in playing hard, and we're pissed off that the other team still wants to play."
We were the sixth ranked team. Can we please not bitch about how a WALK ON hit a three against us?? They probably average less than a minute per game, so when they do get in they should get to do more than just take a knee (figuratively speaking).
XUFan09
01-04-2016, 09:45 AM
Well, the fact that the Head Coach is quoted by numerous credible sources as directly saying the opposite of what some had posted may have something to do with it. Just maybe.
No other poster said that "no concussion"- especially Lady Muskie- and I was just quoting the quotes from our coach, but the know-it-all then took great offense to some counterbalance that their Hypothesis could be incorrect. Then, of course, some have to take significant time to put together a post quote fest to prove their manhood.
We could all still hope that Ed may have not been that injured based upon what was stated directly from the Head Coach who was right there. That is all.
Jeezuz, take a Valium.
Lol you think I'm worked up about it? It was a plain fact, not a hypothesis, that he had a concussion, and Mack was either wrong (highly unlikely) or playing with technicalities for the sake of not revealing anything to future opponents.
It was entertaining though to watch the spectacle of multiple people denying a fact because they weren't taking a coach's word with a grain of salt.
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XU 87
01-04-2016, 01:27 PM
This may have been discussed earlier, but did anyone else who went to the 'Nova game think that Nova's on-campus arena is a dump? I couldn't believe a program this prestigious would have that crappy of an arena.
GoMuskies
01-04-2016, 01:32 PM
This may have been discussed earlier, but did anyone else who went to the 'Nova game think that Nova's on-campus arena is a dump? I couldn't believe a program this prestigious would have that crappy of an arena.
The John DuPont Murdery Pavillion?
XU 87
01-04-2016, 01:36 PM
I think they removed his name after he was convicted of murder.
I also see some others did note what a dump the place is.
I would call it a an old AJ Palumbo Arena with worse seating.
Small with cramped seating, old stained carpeting on steps, smelled, long concession lines, old scoreboard with no replays, and no beer.
My son thought the area where we sat smelled like a bad breakfast casserole.
I will say the Nova fans, while not very loud, are very friendly.
BMoreX
01-04-2016, 01:45 PM
This may have been discussed earlier, but did anyone else who went to the 'Nova game think that Nova's on-campus arena is a dump? I couldn't believe a program this prestigious would have that crappy of an arena.
It was awful. As someone else said earlier, worse than Hinkle, which is saying a lot.
Masterofreality
01-04-2016, 01:51 PM
It was awful. As someone else said earlier, worse than Hinkle, which is saying a lot.
Temple's gym is the nicest in Philly with The Palaestra being the most historic and maybe best because of tradition.
Nova could have done better. It opened in 1986- the year after they won the NC, but it was already under construction. I'm sure if they could go back and could have waited a year, they could have gotten more done. That said, they squeezed it into a space next to the football stadium and they're landlocked.
That being said, they are trying to raise the money for a big upgrade, renovation.
http://articles.philly.com/2015-01-26/sports/58437675_1_vince-nicastro-villanova-corestates
https://www1.villanova.edu/villanova/advancement/development/athletic/support/capital_facilities.html
novachap
01-04-2016, 02:08 PM
Temple's gym is the nicest in Philly with The Palaestra being the most historic and maybe best because of tradition.
Nova could have done better. It opened in 1986- the year after they won the NC, but it was already under construction. I'm sure if they could go back and could have waited a year, they could have gotten more done. That said, they squeezed it into a space next to the football stadium and they're landlocked.
That being said, they are trying to raise the money for a big upgrade, renovation.
http://articles.philly.com/2015-01-26/sports/58437675_1_vince-nicastro-villanova-corestates
We hate the place. Too small. We hate the place. Waiting list of multiple years for tickets. We hate the place.
I was surprised the game with X wasn't at Wells Fargo, but we have limited the number there this year as we could potentially play there in the tourney. We have Providence there in 2 weeks. Also have st John's which is a total waste.
The palestra is great historically, but it's penn'so home court so they would get a piece and the students would have to get to Philly anyway. So we play games at the pavilion. Did I mention, we hate the place?
XU 87
01-04-2016, 02:23 PM
I am a little shocked the Pavilion was completed in 1985. Based on what I saw when I was there, I thought it was built in the 40's or early 50's.
xudash
01-04-2016, 02:59 PM
This may have been discussed earlier, but did anyone else who went to the 'Nova game think that Nova's on-campus arena is a dump? I couldn't believe a program this prestigious would have that crappy of an arena.
It is what it is for at least one fundamental reason: Villanova is planted in Radnor, PA, which is on the Mainline in Philly. Good news? Absolutely beautiful area. Bad news? Imagine getting anything done there construction wise with the residents of that township.
They otherwise spent a few years during the recent past, fussing over the idea of moving up in football in the old BE, which would have directed a lot of their financial capacity towards that endeavor had they lunged after it.
I believe they're considering a remodel of the Pav now, again knowing that construction in Radnor isn't going to lead to a new building, with another contributing factor possibly being construction costs in Philly. Nova is well-healed and could probably put the necessary number together, but that "necessary number" would probably exceed $100 million.
Masterofreality
01-04-2016, 03:20 PM
We hate the place. Too small. We hate the place. Waiting list of multiple years for tickets. We hate the place.
I was surprised the game with X wasn't at Wells Fargo, but we have limited the number there this year as we could potentially play there in the tourney. We have Providence there in 2 weeks. Also have st John's which is a total waste.
The palestra is great historically, but it's penn'so home court so they would get a piece and the students would have to get to Philly anyway. So we play games at the pavilion. Did I mention, we hate the place?
I get it. Like Dash said, getting any significant building done in Radnor would not be easy. At least you've got pretty good parking capability across the street, so no problem there, but squeezing something better and nicer in the present available building footprint will be a challenge. Hopefully a big donor like Wawa will step up with some sponsorship. Good luck.
XU '11
01-04-2016, 03:37 PM
I get it. Like Dash said, getting any significant building done in Radnor would not be easy. At least you've got pretty good parking capability across the street, so no problem there, but squeezing something better and nicer in the present available building footprint will be a challenge. Hopefully a big donor like Wawa will step up with some sponsorship. Good luck.
To echo a previous poster. The money is not the problem. If they had they land and the locals let them, they would certainly build something the size and quality of Cintas (perhaps a couple thousand bigger). However, they simply can't and a Wawa sponsorship wouldn't help there.
XU 87
01-04-2016, 03:44 PM
To echo a previous poster. The money is not the problem. If they had they land and the locals let them, they would certainly build something the size and quality of Cintas (perhaps a couple thousand bigger). However, they simply can't and a Wawa sponsorship wouldn't help there.
A Villanova grad did tell me that the neighbors all raise hell whenever Villanova wants to build something new, and that makes new construction difficult. I find it a little incredible when people who live near a school complain about something new being built at the school (See also, McNicholas football stadium and Moeller proposed football stadium). As we all know, schools, particularly colleges, build new buildings.
If I were nova, I would figure out a way to at least expand the arena to add a few more seats, get rid of the wooden bleachers, and get beer.
I suspect that they've thought of these already though.
ammtd34
01-04-2016, 03:47 PM
A Villanova grad did tell me that the neighbors all raise hell whenever Villanova wants to build something new, and that makes new construction difficult. I find it a little incredible when people who live near a school complain about something new being built at the school (See also, McNicholas football stadium and Moeller proposed football stadium). As we all know, schools, particularly colleges, build new buildings.
McNick has a gorgeous facility but our girls had to leave school early to go play there because the neighbors wouldn't let them get lights. That's a shame.
Juice
01-04-2016, 03:50 PM
A Villanova grad did tell me that the neighbors all raise hell whenever Villanova wants to build something new, and that makes new construction difficult. I find it a little incredible when people who live near a school complain about something new being built at the school (See also, McNicholas football stadium and Moeller proposed football stadium). As we all know, schools, particularly colleges, build new buildings.
If I were nova, I would figure out a way to at least expand the arena to add a few more seats, get rid of the wooden bleachers, and get beer.
I suspect that they've thought of these already though.
Or when townies get mad when college kids like to throw a party or two. Shocking behavior I tell ya...
LA Muskie
01-04-2016, 05:05 PM
A Villanova grad did tell me that the neighbors all raise hell whenever Villanova wants to build something new, and that makes new construction difficult. I find it a little incredible when people who live near a school complain about something new being built at the school (See also, McNicholas football stadium and Moeller proposed football stadium). As we all know, schools, particularly colleges, build new buildings.
If I were nova, I would figure out a way to at least expand the arena to add a few more seats, get rid of the wooden bleachers, and get beer.
I suspect that they've thought of these already though.
Georgetown is in a similar situation.
Or when townies get mad when college kids like to throw a party or two. Shocking behavior I tell ya...
For reference, think of the arena and campus in the equivalent of Indian Hill and Mariemont. Ridiculously hard to get anything done and residents are a royal P in the A. The school currently has other building priorities, whoch is some ways is unfortunate, however when the pavilion is addressed, it will actually be smaller by a few hundered seats i.e. in the 6,200 range, which I guess will increase the waiting list from 10 years to 20. That being said, they will make it very high end to include 100% chair backs, spacious entrance and corridors, luxury suites. Most people are saying $50 MM. Its actually a cool design archetcturally but there is so much wasted space and it has not been updated in 30 years so it is showing major age. if they keep it consistet wiuth the baskteball practive facility next door, should be nice.
XU 87
01-04-2016, 06:17 PM
McNick has a gorgeous facility but our girls had to leave school early to go play there because the neighbors wouldn't let them get lights. That's a shame.
Yes, it is.
MADXSTER
01-04-2016, 07:26 PM
McNick has a gorgeous facility but our girls had to leave school early to go play there because the neighbors wouldn't let them get lights. That's a shame.
I concur. Hopefully that will change in the near future.
RoseyMuskie
01-04-2016, 07:46 PM
This may have been discussed earlier, but did anyone else who went to the 'Nova game think that Nova's on-campus arena is a dump? I couldn't believe a program this prestigious would have that crappy of an arena.
Yes. I made the Hinkle comparison. It's a glorified high school gym. Plain concourses, tables set up in a "U shape" for concession stands, bleachers that were entirely too small for me (I'm 6'2 185)...the list goes on.
The campus itself is gorgeous. The arena, not so much.
xubrew
01-04-2016, 08:06 PM
I like crappy gyms. They have a lot of character. They need to sell beer, though.
The old Boston Garden was a complete dumb. But, what a wonderful dump it was!! I think a lot of arenas now have actually gotten too nice. I'm half kidding, of course....but only HALF kidding.
I like crappy gyms. They have a lot of character. They need to sell beer, though.
The old Boston Garden was a complete dumb. But, what a wonderful dump it was!! I think a lot of arenas now have actually gotten too nice. I'm half kidding, of course....but only HALF kidding.
I never got inside the old Garden (though walked around and over the people sleeping outside it), but the new place (Fleet Center?) had roast beef carving stations and all kinds of fancy stuff that distracted us from the visit by Lebron that night.
(I do love good food though.)
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