VD-Vandy

[X-man]

VD upset Vandy last night in Nashville. Vandy was #21, so it's a nice win for the cryers. It's also a nice win for our noncom profile, so I'm down with the VD win even though Dayton still sucks.

[XUMIOH12]

Not sure why you just made a thread for a dayton win.

[gladdenguy]

I was happy to see it as well. I don't hate Dayton or their fans nearly as much as sUCks buttcake fans. When Xavier beats them by 30 on a neutral court I am happy they strengthen our resume with every win they accumulate.....especially top 25 wins on the road.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was happy to see it as well. I don't hate Dayton or their fans nearly as much as sUCks buttcake fans. When Xavier beats them by 30 on a neutral court I am happy they strengthen our resume with every win they accumulate.....especially top 25 wins on the road.

Yes, this 100%. I hate UC and their fans way more. I will never cheer for UC against anyone even if it helps our resume a little, but I will for UD.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

That VD win on a neutral court is going to look very good especially if Pierre comes back. To be fair, Vandy was missing their 7'1 forward who shoots threes. That certainly affected their ability to close them out. We know from experience that Vandy has a tendency to blow leads at home in non-con.

[Emp]

Gooooooooooooooo...........never mind.

Yes, it is a signature beat down for seeding purposes, and I hope Dayton wins the A10.

[Cheesehead]

I am against discrimination. I dislike each fanbase equally.

[XUMIOH12]

I dont get why some people are giving the dayton win so much value. By the end of the season it wont matter all that much after all of the wins we pile up. I hope they dont win the A10 and i also hope they lose the rest of their games ever. They are in a different conference, we dont play them anymore, and they shouldnt matter.

[Smails]

I dont get why some people are giving the dayton win so much value.

Getting to the F4 is much easier as a top 5 seed. The more top 50/25 wins you have, the higher seed you get. Dayton by virtue of their non-con success and projected success in the shitty A10 will most likely be a top 30 RPI team all year. Dayton could end up being a better resume win than Michigan...even though it was at neutral site.

That's why.

[XUFan09]

Getting to the F4 is much easier as a top 5 seed. The more top 50/25 wins you have, the higher seed you get. Dayton by virtue of their non-con success and projected success in the shitty A10 will most likely be a top 30 RPI team all year. Dayton could end up being a better resume win than Michigan...even though it was at neutral site.

That's why.
Also, wins away from home are huge. When we beat Cincinnati on Saturday, despite their higher ranking, it won't look as good.

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[xubrew]

I dont get why some people are giving the dayton win so much value. By the end of the season it wont matter all that much after all of the wins we pile up. I hope they dont win the A10 and i also hope they lose the rest of their games ever. They are in a different conference, we dont play them anymore, and they shouldnt matter.

I hope this is the case by the end of the year, but at this moment in time it's looking a lot better than our win against Michigan. And, prior to last year's conference tournament we didn't have the best track record against top 100 teams away from home over the past two years. Seriously, other than Georgetown we barely had any road wins against NIT caliber teams over the past two years prior to the conference tournament. So, to thoroughly crush a team that's not just top 100, but that appears to be a solid NCAA Tournament team, was rather refreshing.

[bobbiemcgee]

VD is dead to me unless we see them in the tournament.

[ammtd34]

VD is dead to me unless we see them in the tournament.

Which is why I want them to win every game except the Advocare final and when they play X in the national championship.

Plus, it keeps things more calm between my wife and me.

[Milhouse]

I hope this is the case by the end of the year, but at this moment in time it's looking a lot better than our win against Michigan. And, prior to last year's conference tournament we didn't have the best track record against top 100 teams away from home over the past two years. Seriously, other than Georgetown we barely had any road wins against NIT caliber teams over the past two years prior to the conference tournament. So, to thoroughly crush a team that's not just top 100, but that appears to be a solid NCAA Tournament team, was rather refreshing.

Last year we had a TWO Top 100 road/neutral wins - Georgetown and UC (granted they were both top 50) before Big East Tourney started.

as of today we have 4 Top 100 Road/neutral wins, 3 of those in the top 50.

And we were a 6 seed last year!

Even if we struggle on the road in conference (which i don't think we will) We're setting ourselves up for a lot of success.

[xubrew]

UD is dead to everyone. Just look at all the threads and posts about them and how everyone is quick to point out how they don't matter!

I have a feeling Chattanooga is going to beat them this weekend. They're a deep team that loves to run, has good balance, has two very good outside shooters, and has one pretty good post player, which is something UD is not equipped to deal with right now. I also don't think the UD players will take them seriously because it's Chatanooga. If that happens, everyone will be on here rejoicing about how UD lost and talking about how they're dead to us.

[muskiefan82]

play X in the national championship.



No. This can never happen.

[xudash]

UD is dead to everyone. Just look at all the threads and posts about them and how everyone is quick to point out how they don't matter!

I have a feeling Chattanooga is going to beat them this weekend. They're a deep team that loves to run, has good balance, has two very good outside shooters, and has one pretty good post player, which is something UD is not equipped to deal with right now. I also don't think the UD players will take them seriously because it's Chatanooga. If that happens, everyone will be on here rejoicing about how UD lost and talking about how they're dead to us.

Perhaps your view on this issue is jaded somewhat, given the amount of time you spend on their board. You clearly have some form of interest in UD.

[xubrew]

Perhaps your view on this issue is jaded somewhat, given the amount of time you spend on their board. You clearly have some form of interest in UD.

Yes, as does everyone else who starts threads about them, as does everyone else who posts in those threads, as does everyone who discusses them at length on the Big East boards, as does everyone who spends time reading their board, which anyone who knows that I post over there must do. I would clearly call that some form of interest in UD, and I think it's clear that interest is rather collective.

Dazon Ingram is done for the year. No one is interested in that, though, even though it will probably end up having a bigger impact on our RPI and power rankings than anything UD does.

[LadyMuskie]

Yes, as does everyone else who starts threads about them, as does everyone else who posts in those threads, as does everyone who discusses them at length on the Big East boards, as does everyone who spends time reading their board, which anyone who knows that I post over there must do. I would clearly call that some form of interest in UD, and I think it's clear that interest is rather collective.

Dazon Ingram is done for the year. No one is interested in that, though, even though it will probably end up having a bigger impact on our RPI and power rankings than anything UD does.

I have an interest in VD. I'm interested in watching them implode. I'm interested in watching their fan base have regularly scheduled meltdowns any time they have to face X or just about any other half-way decent team. I'm interested in determining whether or not a giant sinkhole will open up and devour the entire university and fan base with it, because if I'm being honest the team is so pathetic that they bother me not at all. But the trailer-trash-mouth-breathing-calling-them-rednecks-is-an-insult-to-rednecks-everywhere fan base is, undoubtedly, working hard to achieve most ignorant fan base in America. Long story short, I'm interested in their demise.

In any event, your post is akin to saying we must love ISIS because we talk about them so much and have an interest in what they're doing. Or it might be like saying that someone who keeps posting diatribes about Star Wars and how awful it is must secretly really love it because they keep posting about it. Kinda like that.

[D-West & PO-Z]

In any event, your post is akin to saying we must love ISIS because we talk about them so much and have an interest in what they're doing. Or it might be like saying that someone who keeps posting diatribes about Star Wars and how awful it is must secretly really love it because they keep posting about it. Kinda like that.

Eh, to be fair to brew, he didnt say we loved them, he said we are interested in them, so I think your comparisons are off when you are saying love.

I tend to side with brew, the louder we scream we have no interest in UD, the harder it is to take that seriously.

To be clear I have no problem with any of us having an interest in UD, I have an interest, they are our #2 rival (even still, though fading). I especially have an interest in them in seasons in which we are playing them.

[xudash]

Yes, as does everyone else who starts threads about them, as does everyone else who posts in those threads, as does everyone who discusses them at length on the Big East boards, as does everyone who spends time reading their board, which anyone who knows that I post over there must do. I would clearly call that some form of interest in UD, and I think it's clear that interest is rather collective.

Dazon Ingram is done for the year. No one is interested in that, though, even though it will probably end up having a bigger impact on our RPI and power rankings than anything UD does.

As far as discussing VD on the Big East board is concerned, my primary focus with that is on maintaining our present conference configuration of 10 teams and the round-robin, especially with the success we're enjoying so far as a conference. The interest is the product of my concern about what I believe is the best course of action for the conference.

I otherwise certainly do not want VD in the conference. And I certainly believe that some idiot VD fans spend way too much time on that board.

I hadn't been on their board in a long time until we ended up playing them in Orlando. I haven't been on their board since a few days after the game. And I have no need for visiting that cesspool of delusion now and moving forward.

[LadyMuskie]

Eh, to be fair to brew, he didnt say we loved them, he said we are interested in them, so I think your comparisons are off when you are saying love.

I tend to side with brew, the louder we scream we have no interest in UD, the harder it is to take that seriously.

To be clear I have no problem with any of us having an interest in UD, I have an interest, they are our #2 rival (even still, though fading). I especially have an interest in them in seasons in which we are playing them.

It's an argument that makes zero sense. You can't talk about things you don't like because talking about them indicates you like or care about them. That's just stupid.

If you want to argue that you're annoyed by the vitriol or don't understand it, fine. But to argue we care about them because we talk about them is not only silly but weak.

[GoMuskies]

I think brew has a pretty good point. It's fair to say you hate Dayton. It's less fair to say you don't care about Dayton when you (collective you and not anyone in particular) keep bringing them up.

[xubrew]

I have an interest in VD. I'm interested in watching them implode. I'm interested in watching their fan base have regularly scheduled meltdowns any time they have to face X or just about any other half-way decent team. I'm interested in determining whether or not a giant sinkhole will open up and devour the entire university and fan base with it, because if I'm being honest the team is so pathetic that they bother me not at all. But the trailer-trash-mouth-breathing-calling-them-rednecks-is-an-insult-to-rednecks-everywhere fan base is, undoubtedly, working hard to achieve most ignorant fan base in America. Long story short, I'm interested in their demise.

In any event, your post is akin to saying we must love ISIS because we talk about them so much and have an interest in what they're doing. Or it might be like saying that someone who keeps posting diatribes about Star Wars and how awful it is must secretly really love it because they keep posting about it. Kinda like that.

I don't think anyone here "LOVES" UD. I think they're overly fixated on them, and it makes me chuckle when people try to claim that they're not. Over and over and over again. Yes, I am pointing out how antithetical that is.

I am obsessed with college basketball. Dayton has a college basketball team. So, I guess I'm somewhat obsessed with their team. But, I'm no more obsessed with them than anyone else. In fact, I talk less about them than a lot of other teams. I just quickly browsed through the 2015-2016 season thread that I started (because I'm obsessed with college basketball) I have posted about all of the following teams:

SELA
LSU Alexandria (who isn't even div1)
Kentucky State (who also isn't div1, but is coached by a former Xavier player)
Kentucky
Utah State and how David Collette quit the team
William & Mary, who I think could make the NCAAs even if they don't win the conference tourney (or at least I DID think that. Losign to Howard didn't help)
Radford
Georgetown
Butler
Western Michigan
Valpo, who I think will be inside the bubble
VCU
Virginia
LSU
Villanova
Saint Joe's
Old Dominion
Fordham
San Diego State
West Virginia
Vanderbilt
George Washington
Maryland
UT Arlington
Miami FL
Northeastern
Monmouth

Not very many people have noticed or cared what I've posted about those teams because none of those teams are Dayton. I think the teams I've talked the most about are William & Mary, Northeastern, UT Arlington, and Valpo. The only time I've even mentioned Dayton is in response to what someone else said about their game against Vanderbilt. I'm actually consciously NOT talking about Dayton because I know that if I do everyone will flock there and derail the thread. That's because everyone is overly fixated on Dayton. You mention how good you think W&M or Valpo is and no one cares, and I wouldn't expect them to. Mention Dayton, and you'll have dozens of responses within the hour talking about how we're over them and don't care about them. Which, again, is extremely antithetical.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's an argument that makes zero sense. You can't talk about things you don't like because talking about them indicates you like or care about them. That's just stupid.

If you want to argue that you're annoyed by the vitriol or don't understand it, fine. But to argue we care about them because we talk about them is not only silly but weak.

I dont think it is weak at all. Weak would be to say you love them because you talk about them, I completely agree with that. But I dont think it is weak to argue that the people talking about UD while simultaneously saying they have no interest in UD seem silly.

It seems pretty common sense to point out that if people are continuously bringing something up (whether positively or negatively) then they have an interest in that something.

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's an argument that makes zero sense. You can't talk about things you don't like because talking about them indicates you like or care about them. That's just stupid.

If you want to argue that you're annoyed by the vitriol or don't understand it, fine. But to argue we care about them because we talk about them is not only silly but weak.

You keep using words that brew didnt use: "like" "love" "care".

Interest was the only word used, and it is perfectly reasonable that one would argue something that is continually talked about as something of interest. Care would even apply too.

[xubrew]

It's an argument that makes zero sense. You can't talk about things you don't like because talking about them indicates you like or care about them. That's just stupid.

If you want to argue that you're annoyed by the vitriol or don't understand it, fine. But to argue we care about them because we talk about them is not only silly but weak.

I'm not the slightest bit annoyed by the vitrol. Hell, I LOVE the vitrol! That's the thing that I loved the most about the series.

I'm just pointing out that people are overly fixated on them even though they claim not to be. The vitrol is a clear example of that. People don't have vitrol for things they have no interest in and don't care about.

[paulxu]

But, I'm no more obsessed with them than anyone else. In fact, I talk less about them than a lot of other teams. I just quickly browsed through the 2015-2016 season thread that I started (because I'm obsessed with college basketball) I have posted about all of the following teams:

SELA
LSU Alexandria (who isn't even div1)
Kentucky State (who also isn't div1, but is coached by a former Xavier player)
Kentucky
Utah State and how David Collette quit the team
William & Mary, who I think could make the NCAAs even if they don't win the conference tourney (or at least I DID think that. Losign to Howard didn't help)
Radford
Georgetown
Butler
Western Michigan
Valpo, who I think will be inside the bubble
VCU
Virginia
LSU
Villanova
Saint Joe's
Old Dominion
Fordham
San Diego State
West Virginia
Vanderbilt
George Washington
Maryland
UT Arlington
Miami FL
Northeastern
Monmouth

Brew, just out of curiosity, do you post on the boards of all those other teams?

Since we didn't beat any of those teams over decades at home, you're not going to get comments about them like you will Dayton, when you bring them up. For that somehow to translate into "obsession" by others, is reaching just a little.

[xubrew]

Brew, just out of curiosity, do you post on the boards of all those other teams?

Since we didn't beat any of those teams over decades at home, you're not going to get comments about them like you will Dayton, when you bring them up. For that somehow to translate into "obsession" by others, is reaching just a little.

I know that mentioning those teams aren't going to get that many comments from that many people. I know that Dayton will get comments. That's precisely my point. You even offered an explanation as to why continue to comment about Dayton. The only thing I was disputing was the notion that we're not interested in them. We are, as you yourself observed. Any thread or post about Dayton will respond more posts than any other topic would.

[paulxu]

There's a big difference between interest and obsession.

[xubrew]

There's a big difference between interest and obsession.

Okay, and your point is?? I said I was obsessed with college basketball. That's the only time I used that term.

I guess discussions about UD make people see things that aren't actually there. I never said anyone liked UD. I never said anyone loved UD. I never said anyone was obsessed with UD. I merely disagreed with the notion that they are dead to us and don't matter to us.

[waggy]

No one on this board is more interested in UD than you Brew. No one wants to keep UD in the conversation more than you. So please.

[paulxu]

Okay, and your point is?? I said I was obsessed with college basketball. That's the only time I used that term.

I guess discussions about UD make people see things that aren't actually there. I never said anyone liked UD. I never said anyone loved UD. I never said anyone was obsessed with UD. I merely disagreed with the notion that they are dead to us and don't matter to us.



I don't think anyone here "LOVES" UD. I think they're overly fixated on them, and it makes me chuckle when people try to claim that they're not. Over and over and over again. Yes, I am pointing out how antithetical that is.

I am obsessed with college basketball. Dayton has a college basketball team. So, I guess I'm somewhat obsessed with their team. But, I'm no more obsessed with them than anyone else.

If you check the dictionary, generally the first synonym of obsession is fixation. So, this certainly appears to be a distinction without a difference.

But I'm still curious if you post on all those other schools' forums? I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just really curious. I understand you love of basketball and your interest in following all levels. But I think you're a little off base on this Dayton thing. Interest? Yes. Obsession(fixation)? Not so much.

[xubrew]

No one on this board is more interested in UD than you Brew. No one wants to keep UD in the conversation more than you. So please.

Wow, really?? Well, I checked. Outside of this thread, which I did not start, I've had about ten posts total about Dayton since September. Two were talking about the guy who posted about UD being jetlagged due to their flight back from Orlando several days earlier, one was talking about how I thought Vandy would beat them, another was about how I didn't realize Vandy's best post player was out, one was explaining how we could classify playing all the local teams as an exempt event and get an extra game on the schedule, one was outlining all the things that have happened since 1981, one talked about how Dayton pissed off everyone in Canada because they had to watch them get their ass kicked by us and missed the start of the Grey Cup, and I had a couple talking about how I didn't think the game in Disney World would be intense because it was...yunno....Disney World. I have more posts about the strippers at Louisville than I do about Dayton.

I'm not denying my interest in Dayton. In fact I'm saying straight out that I am interested in them. I'm merely pointing out that virtually everyone else is as well, even if they say they're not over and over and over again. Doing that kind of proves the point in the converse.


If you check the dictionary, generally the first synonym of obsession is fixation. So, this certainly appears to be a distinction without a difference.

But I'm still curious if you post on all those other schools' forums? I'm not trying to pick a fight. Just really curious. I understand you love of basketball and your interest in following all levels. But I think you're a little off base on this Dayton thing. Interest? Yes. Obsession(fixation)? Not so much.

Other than this site, I typically only post on a board if I know the publisher or the owner of the network it's on, so no. I spend a lot of time in cars, buses, airports, and waiting, so I do look at the message boards of teams that I have an interest in at the moment, but I typically don't post.

[xudash]

Wow, really?? Well, I checked. Outside of this thread, which I did not start, I've had about ten posts total about Dayton since September. Two were talking about the guy who posted about UD being jetlagged due to their flight back from Orlando several days earlier, one was talking about how I thought Vandy would beat them, another was about how I didn't realize Vandy's best post player was out, one was explaining how we could classify playing all the local teams as an exempt event and get an extra game on the schedule, one was outlining all the things that have happened since 1981, one talked about how Dayton pissed off everyone in Canada because they had to watch them get their ass kicked by us and missed the start of the Grey Cup, and I had a couple talking about how I didn't think the game in Disney World would be intense because it was...yunno....Disney World. I have more posts about the strippers at Louisville than I do about Dayton.

I'm not denying my interest in Dayton. In fact I'm saying straight out that I am interested in them. I'm merely pointing out that virtually everyone else is as well, even if they say they're not over and over and over again. Doing that kind of proves the point in the converse.



Other than this site, I typically only post on a board if I know the publisher or the owner of the network it's on, so no. I spend a lot of time in cars, buses, airports, and waiting, so I do look at the message boards of teams that I have an interest in at the moment, but I typically don't post.

Brew, this is nothing more than your opinion. We played them this year in an early season conference tournament: UD was going to enter into the conversation this year from that occurrence, primarily. We know they've been an historical rival. We enjoy beating them when we play them. We find them to be a punching bag mostly as a result of their collective delusion and sense of worth that exceeds their real presence in college hoops. So there is going to be a little more juice against and about them than an NKU, Western Kentucky, Mizzou, etc.

But we're now pointing towards Saturday as we focus on Xavier's primary rival and a rivalry that has garnered national attention and a certain amount of national stature, as rivalries go.

So, you've admitted to your interest in them. Clearly, you prove that interest by posting on their board as much as you do.

The thing is, you don't see practically anyone else here "interested enough" in UD to post on their board - at all.

You obviously have every right to post where and as much as you want. You have a right to your opinion here as you expressed it. But you're coming at as a person who spends much more time with "Dayton" rattling around in his head than anyone here, and probably by a wide margin.

I believe the thread was started with the primary intent of lightly pointing out the value to our positioning of VD winning at Vandy. Some comments were made otherwise.

And we're now on to THE GAME in OOC as far as X is concerned.

[xubrew]

Brew, this is nothing more than your opinion. We played them this year in an early season conference tournament: UD was going to enter into the conversation this year from that occurrence, primarily. We know they've been an historical rival. We enjoy beating them when we play them. We find them to be a punching bag mostly as a result of their collective delusion and sense of worth that exceeds their real presence in college hoops. So there is going to be a little more juice against and about them than an NKU, Western Kentucky, Mizzou, etc.

But we're now pointing towards Saturday as we focus on Xavier's primary rival and a rivalry that has garnered national attention and a certain amount of national stature, as rivalries go.

So, you've admitted to your interest in them. Clearly, you prove that interest by posting on their board as much as you do.

The thing is, you don't see practically anyone else here "interested enough" in UD to post on their board - at all.

You obviously have every right to post where and as much as you want. You have a right to your opinion here as you expressed it. But you're coming at as a person who spends much more time with "Dayton" rattling around in his head than anyone here, and probably by a wide margin.

I believe the thread was started with the primary intent of lightly pointing out the value to our positioning of VD winning at Vandy. Some comments were made otherwise.

And we're now on to THE GAME in OOC as far as X is concerned.

Yes, you don't see people on here who post on the UD board. Most people probably don't know anyone who has ties to the board either. Some here are obviously reading it, though, and perhaps more would post if it wasn't locked. A quick glance at the A10 board shows that a few of the X posters still post over there, and it is not at all surprising that they're "interested enough" to do so. I do find the amount of time some posters spend writing about how they don't care about Dayton to be amusing. And, as I recently discovered, this isn't the only site where they do it. I'm not condemning anyone for being interested in them or for enjoying rubbing their noses in it. I just find it antithetical when certain people do this, and then claim to not give a shit about them. And, it's not like this was ever dormant. It didn't just start back up because we played them in Orlando. It never stopped. And...that's fine.

General NCAA discussion is what I'm most interested in. Or, maybe saying it's what I'm most obsessed with is the more accurate way to put it. That's what I post the most about here, there, and a couple other places where I either know the publishers or others who are regulars.

[XUMIOH12]

The point is that this thread is stupid and never should have been started. Are we going to start a thread anytime an opponent wins a game? Dayton went on the road and beat a (soon to be) unranked Vanderbilt team. Good for them. Why wasnt there a thread when Michigan beat unranked NC St on the road? Why didn't Alabama get a thread for beating Notre Dame or Wichita St?