Predicting First Technical of Crosstown Shootout

[XUFan09]

The bonus round is correctly guessing when the Jalen Reynolds/Octavius Ellis double-tech happens. I'll set the over/under as halftime. I pick the under.

If the timeout happens as teams are heading to their benches for a media timeout, it counts as before the timeout. Pick away!

[Strange Brew]

Barring someone on this board stealing the opening tip while naked (make it happen), I think the first T will happen by the 8 min TO in the first half.

[ballyhoohoo]

In going right fire halftime for the double tech

[GoMuskies]

I voted for the under 4 timeout...but I wouldn't be surprised if the refs called a technical as soon as the Cintas Center gates open to "set the tone".

[waggy]

I wonder how long before we see the first corkscrew moonsault.

[usfldan]

History says somewhere in the 10 to 7 minute range of the first half:

2/19/15- 12:38 2H (Reynolds & Ellis)
12/13/13- 4:42 1H (UC Bench)
12/19/12- None
12/10/11- 9:41 1H (XU Bench)
1/ 6/11- 13:11 2H (Holloway)
12/13/09- 7:06 1H (Crawford & Rashad Bishop)
12/13/08- 9:15 1H (Frease & Gates) - first of 6 total
12/12/07- 2:29 1H (Burrell & Jamual Warren)

[paulxu]

It's the Christmas season...miracle is leading.

[XUMIOH12]

I'm predicting no technicals, but if there is one i think it is one that wouldnt be deserved to be called and just the refs over reacting

[XUFan09]

I voted for the under 4 timeout...but I wouldn't be surprised if the refs called a technical as soon as the Cintas Center gates open to "set the tone".
This is where I placed the Reynolds/Ellis double technical. I do think we might get a "set the tone" technical early. I mean, it's the first time the innocent UC lambs are returning to Cintas since the Brawl. The horror!

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[xuwin]

It's not fair to JP not to include him in this poll.:smile:

[STL_XUfan]

Ill predict how it happens too. JP gets tied up for a jump ball and both players refuse to give up possession after the refs whistle, which leads to Jalen coming over to break it up and being hit with the T.

[Lamont Sanford]

I mean, it's the first time the innocent UC lambs are returning to Cintas since the Brawl. The horror!



Hahahaha! Love it. Those poor little babies. I sure hope they get a police escort in and out of the Cintas.

[blueblob06]

History says somewhere in the 10 to 7 minute range of the first half:

2/19/15- 12:38 2H (Reynolds & Ellis)
12/13/13- 4:42 1H (UC Bench)
12/19/12- None
12/10/11- 9:41 1H (XU Bench)
1/ 6/11- 13:11 2H (Holloway)
12/13/09- 7:06 1H (Crawford & Rashad Bishop)
12/13/08- 9:15 1H (Frease & Gates) - first of 6 total
12/12/07- 2:29 1H (Burrell & Jamual Warren)

Wow, so 7 of the last 8 Shootouts have had at least 1 Technical Foul. That's impressive. GO X! Edit - so the only game there was not a Tech, was the first "showdown" at US Bank, is that right? Boring!

I'm predicting before the 4 min mark of 1st half... the scenario: X is winning the glass and frustrating UC when Farr grabs yet another offensive board and lays it in. He's hacked out of frustration on his put-back by a UC big who is promptly greeted by Jalen. Double-tech on Jalen and the UC big man. And the crowd goes wild! LET'S GO MUSKIES!

[Smails]

JP buries a 3..blows a kiss to Hep on his way past the UC bench..Mick loses his shit, gets T'd up.

[bleedXblue]

JP buries a 3..blows a kiss to Hep on his way past the UC bench..Mick loses his shit, gets T'd up.

Apple didn't fall too far from the tree.....

[Emp]

JP buries a 3..blows a kiss to Hep on his way past the UC bench..Mick loses his shit, gets T'd up.

Hep himself will stumble out of the stands, knock over Santa Ono and the security guard, and all will fall onto the Court in a mess of Irish-Sino-African-American diversity.

[Drew]

It's not fair to JP not to include him in this poll.:smile:

+1

[D-West & PO-Z]

If it happens I think it will be early, I voted before 1st half under 12 TO.

[TUclutch]

I voted before the U12 in the first half. I think before the U16 would be too early and is less likely. My brain says to pick a Jalen?ellis double tech for being tangled up, but my heart hopes its on a Jalen dunk or JP 3 and they flex/talk trash/taunt a UC player. Something to get the crowd more into it.

[D-West & PO-Z]

If there is a technical the 2 people who have so far voted before the end of the game are the smartest as they would be right no matter when it happened.

[XUMIOH12]

If there is a technical the 2 people who have so far voted before the end of the game are the smartest as they would be right no matter when it happened.

haha good catch. That is the smartest answer

[XUFan09]

I would have put the whole "Before X but after Y," but it would have been a pain in the ass lol.

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[MauriceX]

I was going to say "I'm an optimist, I don't think there will be any technicals" ... then i saw that 11 others voted the same way... am I not alone in this dreary, pessimistic world???

But seriously, we have been pretty mature here lately. I think X is a team capable of keeping composure. We've seen it with Jalen especially, refusing to take the bait after getting bumped. If the refs don't overreact (I realize that is a big "if"), I could see us walking away with 0 techs.

I have no knowledge of UC's propensity to get technical fouls, so they could blow my whole theory out of the water.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I was going to put 0 until I saw 7 of the last 8 had at least one and the only one that didnt was the game right after the brawl. That is tough to argue with.

[xudash]

It's the Christmas season...miracle is leading.

I hope Chris literally has a one-on-one meeting with Jalen, explaining to him the opportunity he has to establish one of the reasons why Xavier will win the game on Saturday: allow cool heads to prevail. Get him to focus strictly on the game; on the prize. No need for theatrics. No need to react to Bearcat baiting, should that occur.

I don't believe Mick is smart enough to have this kind of conversation with Octavius. I otherwise believe any message Cronin would give his team about staying in the moment would be delivered stupidly, including using the term "toughness" at least a half dozen times.

To the good guys, let it be a business meeting where we run the agenda in its entirety.

[xubrew]

Mick Cronin seems to do the strategic technical foul, which is stupid because you're essentially just giving the other team two freethrows and the ball. But, if Xavier jumps out early, which I think they will, I think Cronin will get t'd up early.

[MuskieXU]

Mick Cronin seems to do the strategic technical foul, which is stupid because you're essentially just giving the other team two freethrows and the ball. But, if Xavier jumps out early, which I think they will, I think Cronin will get t'd up early.

Totally agreed. And to be honest, if that happens especially in our building, I think we will promptly take the opportunity to stomp on their throats.

[GoMuskies]

Mick Cronin seems to do the strategic technical foul, which is stupid because you're essentially just giving the other team two freethrows and the ball.

Yes, but when done right that strategic technical almost always results in a call or two that at LEAST make up for the FTs granted for the technical foul. Of course, I doubt Mick often gets it right.

[xubrew]

Yes, but when done right that strategic technical almost always results in a call or two that at LEAST make up for the FTs granted for the technical foul. Of course, I doubt Mick often gets it right.

Perhaps you're right. I've never thought of it that way, though.

I understand people snap. We all do it. Having said that, I think a coach is slapping his players in the face when he gets a technical foul. Acting like Yosemite Sam and giving the other team two points and the ball as a result just seems foolish to me, not to mention it works against your own team. But, many coaches do this. Cronin does it. McCaffery at Iowa is another one. I get wanting to fire up your team. I would suggest finding another method of motivation, though.

But, what you say is interesting. I would think that coaches don't endear themselves to the refs when they do that, but perhaps it does result in some calls going their way.

[Masterofreality]

Mick Cronin seems to do the strategic technical foul, which is stupid because you're essentially just giving the other team two freethrows and the ball. But, if Xavier jumps out early, which I think they will, I think Cronin will get t'd up early.

Like, you know, that "strategic" technical foul in the Butler game with his team leading by 7 and all the momentum going his way? That worked out well.

I think The Jaundiced Leprechaun's strategy is to alienate as much of the human population on this planet as he can...but it never seems to work on Mike DeCourcy.

[XUFan09]

Perhaps you're right. I've never thought of it that way, though.

I understand people snap. We all do it. Having said that, I think a coach is slapping his players in the face when he gets a technical foul. Acting like Yosemite Sam and giving the other team two points and the ball as a result just seems foolish to me, not to mention it works against your own team. But, many coaches do this. Cronin does it. McCaffery at Iowa is another one. I get wanting to fire up your team. I would suggest finding another method of motivation, though.

But, what you say is interesting. I would think that coaches don't endear themselves to the refs when they do that, but perhaps it does result in some calls going their way.
I get the purpose, but I actually like Mack's counter-reasoning, as he gave in the December 3 show. If he overreacts to a call, he's basically telling his players than they are in the right and that they don't have to adjust to how the refs are calling the game. In the end, the refs are always "right," even when they're wrong, and the players need to appreciate that fact.

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[xu82]

I get the purpose, but I actually like Mack's counter-reasoning, as he gave in the December 3 show. If he overreacts to a call, he's basically telling his players than they are in the right and that they don't have to adjust to how the refs are calling the game. In the end, the refs are always "right," even when they're wrong, and the players need to appreciate that fact.

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Yep, I think it's better to set an example as a coach and keep your cool. If Mack goes all wacko, Jalen and the gang may be just a little more likely to do the same. We do NOT want that.

[MADXSTER]

I get the purpose, but I actually like Mack's counter-reasoning, as he gave in the December 3 show. If he overreacts to a call, he's basically telling his players than they are in the right and that they don't have to adjust to how the refs are calling the game. In the end, the refs are always "right," even when they're wrong, and the players need to appreciate that fact.

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Might want to tell that to Travis Ford

Oklahoma State coach Travis Ford booted from son's high school game
Travis Ford was ejected from a game he wasn't even coaching in on Thursday night.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25409950/oklahoma-state-coach-travis-ford-booted-from-sons-high-school-game

[D-West & PO-Z]

Might want to tell that to Travis Ford

Oklahoma State coach Travis Ford booted from son's high school game
Travis Ford was ejected from a game he wasn't even coaching in on Thursday night.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25409950/oklahoma-state-coach-travis-ford-booted-from-sons-high-school-game

Hilarious. But also weird since everyone interviewed said he didnt do anything and have no idea why he was kicked out.

[vee4xu]

The last game at Cintas was the Crosstown Brawl along with the "zip 'em up" comment. So, I have to feel pretty certain that the administration, coaches and players are all acutely aware of this. The media will be keeping a keen eye on anything resembling something that will allow them to roll the tape on that brawl. There will be no technicals this year since both UC and X want to avoid any perpetuation of that mess.

[GIMMFD]

The last game at Cintas was the Crosstown Brawl along with the "zip 'em up" comment. So, I have to feel pretty certain that the administration, coaches and players are all acutely aware of this. The media will be keeping a keen eye on anything resembling something that will allow them to roll the tape on that brawl. There will be no technicals this year since both UC and X want to avoid any perpetuation of that mess.

Screw that, let's get tech's, fire up the crowd, and zip those damn Bearkittens up.

[D-West & PO-Z]

The media will be keeping a keen eye on anything resembling something that will allow them to roll the tape on that brawl.

They dont care if they see anything, they'll play it either way.

[vee4xu]

They dont care if they see anything, they'll play it either way.

Sadly, you're probably right.

[xu82]

Sadly, you're probably right.

But is there a chance this is the last year they have to show it? Maybe next time just a mention? I mean, enough already!

[D-West & PO-Z]

But is there a chance this is the last year they have to show it? Maybe next time just a mention? I mean, enough already!

Yeah hopefully since this will be the last milestone, ie first game back to Cintas since incident.

[Masterofreality]

Folks seem to forget that this will not be the first matchup between Ellis and Jalen - they met up last year.

[GIMMFD]

Folks seem to forget that this will not be the first matchup between Ellis and Jalen - they met up last year.

But Jalen got teched up last year lmao. I'm just saying it could carry on and happen again.

[Masterofreality]

But Jalen got teched up last year lmao. I'm just saying it could carry on and happen again.

Exactly, which means that he now knows what not to do......allegedly.......

[Harryfe]

Has Jalen just been limited to one "double tech" this year? With his history if there is a tech would have to pick him

[xufan2020]

I don't know, but I'm feeling Caupain will get one in the first half; highly emotional player.
The Reynolds/Ellis double tech will come in the second half.

[bjf123]

I'll go with before the under 8:00 TV timeout in the first half, though I'm hoping for none. (Fat chance)


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[MauriceX]

7:22 wins it.

[xubrew]

mick cronin seems to do the strategic technical foul, which is stupid because you're essentially just giving the other team two freethrows and the ball. But, if xavier jumps out early, which i think they will, i think cronin will get t'd up early.

what do i win!!!??

[Roach]

Wow, Mick, that didn't take very long. And did anyone else see the "F**k you" he threw at the ref *after* the tech? The idiot is lucky he wasn't ejected.

[GoMuskies]

Well, guess Mack decided to get in on the act.

[xudash]

Wow, Mick, that didn't take very long. And did anyone else see the "F**k you" he threw at the ref *after* the tech? The idiot is lucky he wasn't ejected.

His father couldn't make it because he was under the weather. Sure. That's why he didn't make it.

[xu82]

Wow, Mick, that didn't take very long. And did anyone else see the "F**k you" he threw at the ref *after* the tech? The idiot is lucky he wasn't ejected.

No, we're probably the ones who were lucky he wasn't ejected. UC might have been better without him.

[Roach]

Why was Mack tech'd up in the 2nd half? The TV was muted in the bar where I watched the game, so I couldn't hear the commentators' explanation ..

[xu82]

Why was Mack tech'd up in the 2nd half? The TV was muted in the bar where I watched the game, so I couldn't hear the commentators' explanation ..

There was no real explanation other than he wasn't happy with the call at the far end. Nothing visible or audible, or even lip reading to work with. It did seem like we were due a foul there, but no indication of how far he had to go to draw the tech. He did say "my bad" in the next televised huddle.

[LadyMuskie]

Why was Mack tech'd up in the 2nd half? The TV was muted in the bar where I watched the game, so I couldn't hear the commentators' explanation ..

Because as he said the refs were "f-ing bull$&^#". The refs were so blind they couldn't have located the Grand Canyon with a seeing eye dog and a map to guide them.

[xu82]

Because as he said the refs were "f-ing bull$&^#". The refs were so blind they couldn't have located the Grand Canyon with a seeing eye dog and a map to guide them.

They frown upon that? Geez, sensitive types, aren't they?

On a side note, isn't it cute how Mick almost comes up to Mack's chin?

[Masterofreality]

Because as he said the refs were "f-ing bull$&^#". The refs were so blind they couldn't have located the Grand Canyon with a seeing eye dog and a map to guide them.

Anybody else think that we did not get the "benefit of the calls"- especially in the second half?

They sure seemed to go more the Borecats way.

[paulxu]

I don't understand how Mick didn't get kicked out after he gets T'd, and then shouts "What? F**K you" at the ref. Amazing.

[xu82]

I don't understand how Mick didn't get kicked out after he gets T'd, and then shouts "What? F**K you" at the ref. Amazing.

I think they feel sorry for the little dweeb. I'll say again, it's probably good for us he stayed. No telling how they might improve without him!

[LadyMuskie]

I don't understand how Mick didn't get kicked out after he gets T'd, and then shouts "What? F**K you" at the ref. Amazing.

I have to imagine, at this point in time, that kind of reaction from the world's angriest elf is expected. It's not like he's typically a high class gentleman or anything. Now, someone more reserved and classy may have been tossed, but Mick's bar is set much lower (in a variety of different ways).

[D-West & PO-Z]

8 of last 9 with T's now right?

Pretty much a guarantee in a game with this high of intensity.

[Masterofreality]

Think YTG would ever go into a huddle after getting a T and apologize to his team saying that "The last one's on me".?

Nah, he would have started yelling to his team to "Tough through it"!!!

[D-West & PO-Z]

Think YTG would ever go into a huddle after getting a T and apologize to his team saying that "The last one's on me".?

Nah, he would have started yelling to his team to "Tough through it"!!!

Didnt hear his post game comments, did he blame it on toughness??? I'm sure he didnt even mention his T.

Think Mick has ever taken any blame for any loss ever? Nah!!

[XU '11]

Didnt hear his post game comments, did he blame it on toughness??? I'm sure he didnt even mention his T.

Think Mick has ever taken any blame for any loss ever? Nah!!

As soon as Mack's interview ended with Joe and Byron I flipped over to catch the very end of Mick's interview on WLW. He actually complimented his team's toughness, especially how they continued to fight despite being down big.

[waggy]

His post game is on X's youtube page.

[Roach]

Anybody else think that we did not get the "benefit of the calls"- especially in the second half?

They sure seemed to go more the Borecats way.

Absolutely. I was saying the same thing to my friends during the game. UC was only whistled for 5 fouls in the second half. There were a few non-calls that were really bad.

[XUFan09]

So I find it interesting that this Shootout's only technicals were one to each coach.

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[Masterofreality]

So I find it interesting that this Shootout's only technicals were one to each coach.

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....And the one against CMack was almost like Roger Ayers said "We'll, now. We can't call a T on one Coach without calling one on the other."

[blobfan]

Absolutely. I was saying the same thing to my friends during the game. UC was only whistled for 5 fouls in the second half. There were a few non-calls that were really bad.

I was surprised. I've seen comments about how over-reffing has been slowing games down this season but I thought they let the players be more physical this year than I've ever seen during the shootout. It was as if they wanted the game over as quickly as possible.

[bleedXblue]

They called the game completely opposite of how I thought it would go. There was a lot of contact allowed around the basket in particular. I prefer it that way, but it was a total 180 from how almost all of our games have been called this year.

[MauriceX]

They called the game completely opposite of how I thought it would go. There was a lot of contact allowed around the basket in particular. I prefer it that way, but it was a total 180 from how almost all of our games have been called this year.

I'm definitely a fan of there being fewer whistles in games, so I'm not complaining. I did however have to look up to see if "hooking" was one of the rules that got changed this year. Ellis clearly hooked on multiple plays and it never got called, so I thought maybe that rule had gone by the wayside.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'm definitely a fan of there being fewer whistles in games, so I'm not complaining. I did however have to look up to see if "hooking" was one of the rules that got changed this year. Ellis clearly hooked on multiple plays and it never got called, so I thought maybe that rule had gone by the wayside.

Yeah there was one later in the 2nd half when game was still close that was soo blatant. Ugh.

[XU 87]

Anybody else think that we did not get the "benefit of the calls"- especially in the second half?

They sure seemed to go more the Borecats way.

Yes. I think it was 4 fouls against UC in the second half and 8 against X. And X was playing zone and taking the ball to the hoop on offense.

I also thought the T against Mack was a total makeup call, as some noted earlier. But you don't give makeup Technical fouls with 6 minutes to go in the game and the game still in doubt.