Who do we root for? Butler or UC?

[XUOHTX]

Butler plays UC tonight at 7 EST on CBS Sports Network.

I have no idea who to root for. I really dislike both teams and love watching each of them lose.

On one hand, I would love to see two top 15 teams playing in the Shootout (provided no losses by either team prior) on Dec 12. On the other hand, we play Butler twice and I want the BE to win every game in the non-con.

So, I ask you, who the F do I root for tonight?

[GoMuskies]

I can't believe this question even needs to be asked.

[XUOHTX]

I can't believe this question even needs to be asked.

Please expand on this.

[ReturnOfTheMack]

If you're not rooting for Butler tonight, you're doing it wrong.

[GoMuskies]

Please expand on this.

You're asking whether you should root for UC. Think on that a little.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Hands down Butler.

Oh, and btw, if UC women's field hockey happens to be playing tonight too, go the other team in that game as well!

[Xville]

I don't like Butler, but for the sake of the conference, I'll root for them tonight.

[XUOHTX]

If you're not rooting for Butler tonight, you're doing it wrong.

I don't know if I can bring myself to ever root for them.

[gladdenguy]

I don't know if I can bring myself to ever root for them.

You can tonight. Do it XUOHTX. Do it. Do it.

[XUOHTX]

You're asking whether you should root for UC. Think on that a little.

I understand. Trust me I know how crazy this sounds. But think about it. How great would it be to see a Crosstown Shootout between two undefeated, Top 15 teams and to give UC their first loss.

[GoMuskies]

I understand. Trust me I know how crazy this sounds. But think about it. How great would it be to see a Crosstown Shootout between two undefeated, Top 15 teams and to give UC their first loss.

I'd rather see 9-0 Xavier humiliate 0-9 UC by 50.

[XMuskieFTW]

Would rather play a top 25 UC and top 25 butler twice than a top 15 UC and unranked butler twice. Go Big East!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd rather see 9-0 Xavier humiliate 0-9 UC by 50.

Yes, Reps.

[XUOHTX]

It seems I have over estimated the hatred for Butler.

[chico]

You're not rooting for Butler, you're rooting against UC. And we always root against UC.

[xu82]

It seems I have over estimated the hatred for Butler.

No, I think you have underestimated the hatred for UC. Butler plays in our Big East, and UC.... well, is UC.

[xu82]

You're not rooting for Butler, you're rooting against UC. And we always root against UC.

That way of thinking does make it easier!

[XUOHTX]

You're not rooting for Butler, you're rooting against UC. And we always root against UC.

Point well made.

I apologize to everyone for my temporary lack in judgement.

[LadyMuskie]

Choice C is really the best. Some sort of rogue asteroid hitting the arena solves all kinds of problems. Since that seems unlikely - I mean if it didn't happen during the Duke/UK game, it's unlikely to happen during the UC/Butler game - then we cheer as hard as possible against the criminals in clifton.

[xeus]

We need a Junior Musketeer board for posts like this.

Go Bulldogs!

[muskiefan82]

If it makes it easier, you can say "Go Big East!" rather than "Go Butler!" It does make it easier to stomach.

[xeus]

I just don't hate Butler like I hate UC and Dayton. I actually think they have a nice little program.

[muskiefan82]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

[xu82]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

I'd go with the previously mentioned rogue asteroid scenario.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

My hate for UC is unparalleled, that would be easy for me.

[xeus]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

I would prefer to see UC win that matchup.

[RealDeal]

I'd rather see 9-0 Xavier humiliate 0-9 UC by 50.

This encapsulates my thoughts exactly.

[xudash]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

Go Bearcats!

[muskiefan82]

I would agree with the Go Bearcats mentality against UD for two reasons. One, we typically don't play UD so a win for UC is better for X. Also, I want the only win that UD has had in Cincinnati since the Carter Administration to be against UK. (which I find somewhat funny)

[BandAid]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

We play UC annually. We don't play ud.

Therefore in an average year, for the sake of rpi and junk I'd "cheer" for UC ("cheer" isn't an appropriate term).

This year since we "played" ud (once again, "played" isn't an appropriate term, "decimated" is probably a better description) I probably wouldn't pay any attention to the matchup.

[XUOHTX]

See, I think the issue is, I hate Butler just about as much as Dayton and I hate Dayton above all.

[XUOHTX]

We need a Junior Musketeer board for posts like this.

Go Bulldogs!

Bite me. I'm simply trying to rank my hatred and weight out the implications of the outcomes.

In fact, I could make the argument that I hate UC more than Butler so I actually want Butler to win tonight so that when XU beats them in the Crosstown it is even that much sweeter and hurts UC and their fans even more.

[GIMMFD]

Let's just burn down the arena, it solves dilemmas like this. GET THE PITCHFORKS READY!!

[Xtemporaneous]

Go BIGEAST!

[X-band '01]

I would agree with the Go Bearcats mentality against UD for two reasons. One, we typically don't play UD so a win for UC is better for X. Also, I want the only win that UD has had in Cincinnati since the Carter Administration to be against UK. (which I find somewhat funny)

They did beat UC at 5/3 Arena a few years ago.

[mid major]

Who do we go with? The BE or do we want UC to be undefeated when we face them on 12/12. Thoughts?

[Lamont Sanford]

Butler, I guess. Lesser of two evils. Fuck UC.

[xufan2434]

I understand. Trust me I know how crazy this sounds. But think about it. How great would it be to see a Crosstown Shootout between two undefeated, Top 15 teams and to give UC their first loss.

I get your point on this, and I'm more torn than others. 2 undefeated teams, that are Top 15, in a packed white out at Cintas, while on National Fox is about as good as it could get. And for whatever reason might attract more viewers to Fox National and help X with all the attention.

But I think there's still a good chance UC would be ranked next Saturday with a loss tonight. And as previously mentioned, this is a critical year for the Big East to take the next step and establish themselves. Need every win the conference can get to help with that. Go with Butler

[Muskeagle]

We play Butler twice. Plus their wins make the conference better ranked. SO....reluctantly, I'll pull for Butler.

[blobfan]

Butler. They may that jerk cousin you wish you weren't related to, but they are family. So the only ones I want beating them up are us and our Big East family.

[XUFan09]

Butler. They may that jerk cousin you wish you weren't related to, but they are family. So the only ones I want beating them up are us and our Big East family.
This is perfect. I was really bummed when Kameron Woods' last second tip shot didn't go in against Notre Dame. Not because I love Butler, but because I love our Big East family.

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[xubrew]

My thought is you are truly a mid major for starting a new thread on a topic we've been discussing all day. Good work. I'll merge them when I'm home. Sigh.

I kind of agree with this. Well, not the starting the second thread part.

We're in the Big East, and on top of that we play several good OOC games. We've won four OOC games away from home, and two of them were against likely tournament teams. We don't need nearly as much help from other teams as we used to. Root for whoever you hate the least. The amount of help we get from the outcome is insignificant. We play them both. If Butler beats UC, and we beat UC but split with Butler, it really isn't any better than UC beating Butler, us beating UC, and then splitting with Butler. In fact, I think the latter scenario actually lands us ahead of Butler on its face value.

We'll be fine either way. it's virtually inconsequential. The real question is who do you hate more?

[muskiefan82]

They did beat UC at 5/3 Arena a few years ago.

I find this funny as well.

[XUGRAD80]

I understand. Trust me I know how crazy this sounds. But think about it. How great would it be to see a Crosstown Shootout between two undefeated, Top 15 teams and to give UC their first loss.

This


UC fans still can't talk about their loses to X when UC was undefeated and ranked #1....it causes to much pain. LOL

[waggy]

I've decided I hate this game. This should be illegal.

[muskiefan82]

Big East wins!

[xeus]

I was standing and yelling for Butler to win. Great win Bldogs! For these and all my sins I am sorry.

[Juice]

Hahahahahahahaha

[xu82]

That just might have been better than crushing them by 40.

[XUFan09]

I was loudly cheering in a bar. People probably thought I was a Butler fan lol. Nah, just a Big-East/anti-UC fan.

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[Lamont Sanford]

Watched the last four mins of the game and just laughed and laughed when Butler hit the game winner.

I despise UC more than ISIS.

[muskiefan82]

Watched the last four mins of the game and just laughed and laughed when Butler hit the game winner.

I despise UC more than ISIS.

Too soon.

[xeus]

I despise UC more than ISIS.

Whoa. Somebody's had a few to many fruity ciders. Not cool.

[waggy]

Well I laughed.

[bleedXblue]

It seems I have over estimated the hatred for Butler.

No I am right there with my dislike.

They are not "family" as another poster inferred

[Cheesehead]

Don't like either school but I laughed out loud when Jones made the layup. Mick's technical cost his team 2 points and they lost by 2. Poetic justice for that little douchebag.

[X-Fan]

I shouted/laughed when Jones hit the winning shot...waking up my pregnant wife. She was not as excited; lol!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I shouted/laughed when Jones hit the winning shot...waking up my pregnant wife. She as not as excited; lol!

Oh man, that is big trouble, especially since it wasnt even for XU! (Not sure if that would have made it better.) Congrats though. My wife id pregnant too, our first.

[X-Fan]

Oh man, that is big trouble, especially since it wasnt even for XU! (Not sure if that would have made it better.) Congrats though. My wife id pregnant too, our first.

Ha! All things considered she wasn't too upset. She knows what a college hoops freak I am.

Congrats to you as well on the baby! We have a 4.5 yr old son and are expecting a girl in early April.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Ha! All things considered she wasn't too upset. She knows what a college hoops freak I am.

Congrats to you as well on the baby! We have a 4.5 yr old son and are expecting a girl in early April.

Thanks and good to hear!

[Masterofreality]

Oh man, that is big trouble, especially since it wasnt even for XU! (Not sure if that would have made it better.) Congrats though. My wife id pregnant too, our first.

Congrats on the kid to come!!

And I also laughed when Jones hit the shot, loved that Butler won, and despise YTG and SucKS. The Leprechaun is such a little twit, who cannot control himself on the sideline. Nice job getting a tech that changed the game tone.

[Masterofreality]

I shouted/laughed when Jones hit the winning shot...waking up my pregnant wife. She was not as excited; lol!

And congrats to you and your wife too!!

[Masterofreality]

This brings up an interesting question. What if UC was playing UD? How would we feel then?

No contest. No cheering ever for the Borecats. Never, evvvvvvveeeerrrrrrrrrrrrr!

[XUOHTX]

As I watched the game, I naturally rooted against UC. It just felt right. But let me be clear. I never once rooted for Butler.

[Juice]

As I watched the game, I naturally rooted against UC. It just felt right. But let me be clear. I never once rooted for Butler.

https://unbrandedbreadnbutter.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/tumblr_mezy08dbze1qbm00wo1_500.gif

[D-West & PO-Z]

Congrats on the kid to come!!

And I also laughed when Jones hit the shot, loved that Butler won, and despise YTG and SucKS. The Leprechaun is such a little twit, who cannot control himself on the sideline. Nice job getting a tech that changed the game tone.

Thanks!

[Smails]

Can anyone remember what the score was when Cronin lost his shit? I remember thinking that it could bite him in the arse at the time, and it most definitely did. I'm floored that he didn't accept any responsibility for going ape shit at the worst possible time in the game. Timing is everything when it comes to a coach getting a T. The WORST possible time would be when your team has seized control of the game and is pulling away from a team with equal talent. What buffoon.

[ammtd34]

Can anyone remember what the score was when Cronin lost his shit? I remember thinking that it could bite him in the arse at the time, and it most definitely did. I'm floored that he didn't accept any responsibility for going ape shit at the worst possible time in the game. Timing is everything when it comes to a coach getting a T. The WORST possible time would be when your team has seized control of the game and is pulling away from a team with equal talent. What buffoon.

53-46 Cincinnati.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I'm floored that he didn't accept any responsibility for going ape shit at the worst possible time in the game.

Floored? Is this your first experience with Mick? Any time UC loses he never bears any responsibility and just blames the loss on a "lack of toughness" from his team.

[Juice]

Floored? Is this your first experience with Mick? Any time UC loses he never bears any responsibility and just blames the loss on a "lack of toughness" from his team.

"Lack of toughness" = Let me throw out some general bullshit at the wall that will please the ears of white sports writers and our white fan base because I know it will appease them.

[nuts4xu]

The officials were horrible in the UC game, but Mick's outburst seemed to bring even more fouls called than before. Butler was worn out and not as deep as UC, the parade to the free throw line slowed the game down and played right into Butler's hands. It was another Mick temper tantrum that did nothing but hurt his own team. It's one thing to be down by 7 and jump up and down on the sidelines like a crazy monkey, but UC had the lead.

I don't know how the game would have turned out absent the outburst by Cronin, but it sure seemed to move momentum into Butler's favor.

Little bugger just can't control himself.

[THRILLHOUSE]

The officials were horrible in the UC game, but Mick's outburst seemed to bring even more fouls called than before. Butler was worn out and not as deep as UC, the parade to the free throw line slowed the game down and played right into Butler's hands. It was another Mick temper tantrum that did nothing but hurt his own team. It's one thing to be down by 7 and jump up and down on the sidelines like a crazy monkey, but UC had the lead.

I don't know how the game would have turned out absent the outburst by Cronin, but it sure seemed to move momentum into Butler's favor.

Little bugger just can't control himself.

Agreed on all points. I can see a coach purposefully get a T when they are down, because sometimes a team does respond and play with more energy. Bad call or not (and it was a bad call), you cannot get a T there. Especially since you know Dunham is gonna shoot the free throws, so you are giving them 2 free points because he's not gonna miss.

[gladdenguy]

I can understand getting a technical when you're down to fire up your team. As a coach up 7 in a big game at home.....you don't get a technical.
Every sUCks fan is bitching about the refs today. That is why I hate sUCks. Their fans are brutal. Lucky for them they don't have to play another good team back to back and can take their frustrations out on Morgan St. this weekend.

[ArizonaXUGrad]

I missed that game, but I caught the highlights. Chrabacz fouled out with like 6mins left. Holtman could have earned a T if he wanted one. That guts Butler's ability to rebound. That said, Jones' pushoff on Ellis at the end could have easily been called a foul. The way they call things today, I am surprised they didn't call the shove.

[Smails]

Floored? Is this your first experience with Mick? Any time UC loses he never bears any responsibility and just blames the loss on a "lack of toughness" from his team.

Tongue-in-cheek friend... we desperately need a sarcasm font here. Mick has never accepted responsibility for anything negative.. BTW he looks like a bald Arnold Pointdexter with his new glasses

[THRILLHOUSE]

Tongue-in-cheek friend... we desperately need a sarcasm font here. Mick has never accepted responsibility for anything negative.. BTW he looks like a bald Arnold Pointdexter with his new glasses

Gotcha. Thought it might've been sarcasm, wasn't sure though.

[xeus]

BTW he looks like a bald Arnold Pointdexter with his new glasses

Oh, nice one.

http://www.xavierhoops.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=1822&stc=1

[xudash]

This speaks directly to UC's fan base, or lack thereof, with one of the reasons being that they load up with terrible early season games:

UC junior point guard Troy Caupain: "It just hurts to lose like that. You want to win your first game with a crowd like that."

[Masterofreality]

This speaks directly to UC's fan base, or lack thereof, with one of the reasons being that they load up with terrible early season games:

UC junior point guard Troy Caupain: "It just hurts to lose like that. You want to win your first game with a crowd like that."

Never mind that there were plenty of Butler fans that came over from Indy because there were seats available- unlike Cintas.

Hilarious.

[Kahns Krazy]

"Lack of toughness" = Let me throw out some general bullshit at the wall that will please the ears of white sports writers and our white fan base because I know it will appease them.

Uh, what?

[xeus]

"Lack of toughness" = Let me throw out some general bullshit at the wall that will please the ears of white sports writers and our white fan base because I know it will appease them.

You sound like that clown Nate Livingston. I suppose black athletes are slaves, right?

[Juice]

You sound like that clown Nate Livingston. I suppose black athletes are slaves, right?

No, but only sportswriters and dumb fans hear shit like that and are impressed.

[D-West & PO-Z]

PDoc actually had a line I enjoyed, it was something like "Toughness has never scored a basket". He kind called out Mick always blaming toughness after losses.

[Juice]

PDoc actually had a line I enjoyed, it was something like "Toughness has never scored a basket". He kind called out Mick always blaming toughness after losses.

It's such a stupid statement. "We weren't tough enough." Cool reason Bear Bryant, why don't you take them out to the field and do Oklahoma drills or runs suicides?

[D-West & PO-Z]

It's such a stupid statement. "We weren't tough enough." Cool reason Bear Bryant, why don't you take them out to the field and do Oklahoma drills or runs suicides?

I feel like he says that because it isnt really a skill he can teach, so if he makes it something he cant teach then he can be blamed for it not being done. Just more avoiding any responsibility whatsoever. Did any reporter ask him about the T at all? How does he not include that in any responsibility at all for the loss?

[Cheesehead]

and after the game, Mick personally ripped the jerseys off each of his players for not being tough.

I watched the game and refs were bad on each side. Make no mistake UC lost that game and Mick didn't help matters. They only had 11,000 too. Not even a sellout for as school w/ an enrollment of at least 4-5 times the size of Xavier's.

[Juice]

I feel like he says that because it isnt really a skill he can teach, so if he makes it something he cant teach then he can be blamed for it not being done. Just more avoiding any responsibility whatsoever. Did any reporter ask him about the T at all? How does he not include that in any responsibility at all for the loss?

Yes. I couldn't agree more.

[Milhouse]

and after the game, Mick personally ripped the jerseys off each of his players for not being tough.

I watched the game and refs were bad on each side. Make no mistake UC lost that game and Mick didn't help matters. They only had 11,000 too. Not even a sellout for as school w/ an enrollment of at least 4-5 times the size of Xavier's.

5 home games and not a single sell out despite being a top 25 team?

It'll be nice for the UC players to know what a sold out crowd looks like next weekend.

X has upped their enrollment since my time there, but UC used to graduate 10 alum for everyone 1 X put out. And UC alum are more likely to be local/stay local...X now has over 50% of it's class from outside Ohio.

I know its a state school but I'm pretty sure UC doesn't even have 50% of its class from outside of Cincinnati.

[Masterofreality]

I feel like he says that because it isnt really a skill he can teach, so if he makes it something he cant teach then he can be blamed for it not being done. Just more avoiding any responsibility whatsoever. Did any reporter ask him about the T at all? How does he not include that in any responsibility at all for the loss?

I had to to out to the store last night and I had WLW on. The YTG Coach's Show was on...yes it really is called that..:laugh:

And a Caller called in and asked the jaundiced Leprechaun about the tech. Sippin' Mick's answer, I swear this is true, was that he got it for taking his glasses off! That was all. Taking his glasses off because it was an "unusual response" as he was told by Mike Roberts. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I seem to remember that he was a bit more animated than just a removal of the glasses. Maybe he was kidding and thought he was being cleverly funny, but no one laughed in the audience and Hoard didn't laugh either.

What an absolute twit.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I had to to out to the store last night and I had WLW on. The YTG Coach's Show was on...yes it really is called that..:laugh:

And a Caller called in and asked the jaundiced Leprechaun about the tech. Sippin' Mick's answer, I swear this is true, was that he got it for taking his glasses off! That was all. Taking his glasses off because it was an "unusual response" as he was told by Mike Roberts. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I seem to remember that he was a bit more animated than just a removal of the glasses. Maybe he was kidding and thought he was being cleverly funny, but no one laughed in the audience and Hoard didn't laugh either.

What an absolute twit.

HA, maybe true if he took them off, rubbed his eyes and swore at the ref that he was F'ing blind!

[X-band '01]

HA, maybe true if he took them off, rubbed his eyes and swore at the ref that he was F'ing blind!

More like offering his glasses to the official. That would be a move meriting a technical if true.

[D-West & PO-Z]

More like offering his glasses to the official. That would be a move meriting a technical if true.

Ah, yes, your scenario makes more sense.

[Kahns Krazy]

"Lack of toughness" = Let me throw out some general bullshit at the wall that will please the ears of white sports writers and our white fan base because I know it will appease them.

No, but only sportswriters and dumb fans hear shit like that and are impressed.

so..... white fans are dumb fans in your mind? Just trying to understand what you are saying here.

[Kahns Krazy]

More like offering his glasses to the official. That would be a move meriting a technical if true.

That's not close to what happened. That actually would have been hilarious. Mick was way out on the court, arguing a foul called 60 feet from where he was after he had already been told to calm down.

[Kahns Krazy]

I had to to out to the store last night and I had WLW on. The YTG Coach's Show was on...yes it really is called that..:laugh:

And a Caller called in and asked the jaundiced Leprechaun about the tech. Sippin' Mick's answer, I swear this is true, was that he got it for taking his glasses off! That was all. Taking his glasses off because it was an "unusual response" as he was told by Mike Roberts. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

I seem to remember that he was a bit more animated than just a removal of the glasses. Maybe he was kidding and thought he was being cleverly funny, but no one laughed in the audience and Hoard didn't laugh either.

What an absolute twit.

Well this is fascinating because after the game he had no idea why it had been called. Now he has a magical "removing glasses" explanation? Coaches remove jackets all the time in far more demonstrative actions and don't get T'd. Does he not know that the post game press conferences are actually archived? http://www.gobearcats.com/collegesportslive/?media=516121 around the 7:30 mark. He's a real dick to the guy who asks the question.

He was also asked in the post-game about how you teach "toughness" and he basically said you just have to have it. Or recruit it. Or something. He's a master at avoiding any blame. http://www.gobearcats.com/collegesportslive/?media=516121 around the five minute mark.

[Juice]

so..... white fans are dumb fans in your mind? Just trying to understand what you are saying here.

1) Yes
2) It's a joke.

White people love talking about "grittiness" and "effort" and "class" and "toughness" and all that bullshit.

[xubrew]

I think pretty much all fans are dumb.

I think pretty much all coaches are dumb too.

And the players....don't even get me started on them!

[Kahns Krazy]

1) Yes
2) It's a joke.

White people love talking about "grittiness" and "effort" and "class" and "toughness" and all that bullshit.

Since I'm one of those dumb white fans, can you explain to me what non-bullshit black fans like to talk about? I'd love to step my game up.

[Juice]

Since I'm one of those dumb white fans, can you explain to me what non-bullshit black fans like to talk about? I'd love to step my game up.

Dude, again it was a joke. I'm white. It's ok to make fun of white people. #AllLivesMatter