Actual AP and Coaches Poll Ranking

[D-West & PO-Z]

Saw XU is #18 in coaches, havent seen AP yet.

[GoMuskies]

SIDs are stupid.

[xubrew]

SIDs are stupid.

You mean DOBO's.

Well, SID's are stupid as well, I guess.

[Lloyd Braun]

12 in AP

[X Factor]

Coaches's Poll is worthless. Even ESPN doesn't use it. And #18 is too low; should 2-3 spots higher.

[X Factor]

12 in AP

Nice! Go 10-0 with a win over UC and we'll be in the Top 10.

[casualfan]

Is 12 verified? I can't find any legit links where the AP poll has been released yet.

[SemajParlor]

Don't see anything about AP. Looks like 12 was the CBS poll.

[GoMuskies]

12 it is.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/polls?poll=1

[Lloyd Braun]

here (http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll)

[SemajParlor]

here (http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll)

Nice!

[casualfan]

Nice!

Very nice!

[GoMuskies]

Very nice!

Very very nice

[BMoreX]

12 bitches!!!

[Xavier]

I never root for UC, in fact Id rather they lose every game. I hope Butler beats them. But, I wouldn't mind seeing both teams in the top 15 on game day. (Is that possible? Do they play Butler before the new rankings would come out?).


And X still needs to take care of business before then also.

[THRILLHOUSE]

I never root for UC, in fact Id rather they lose every game. I hope Butler beats them. But, I wouldn't mind seeing both teams in the top 15 on game day. (Is that possible? Do they play Butler before the new rankings would come out?).


And X still needs to take care of business before then also.

They play Butler on Wednesday.

[OH.X.MI]

Shannon saying the 12 ranking is a tie for program best. Am I crazy to remember the 2011-2012 team was 8th when we played UC?

[D-West & PO-Z]

12!!! Awesome

[gladdenguy]

sUCks plays Butler Wednesday night. I hope Butler wins by double digits.
Xavier is off til Saturday night. Rankings come out next Monday.

[GoMuskies]

Shannon saying the 12 ranking is a tie for program best.

Is that right? I thought we got a bit higher in 1996-97. I believe we even got a first place vote.

[Xville]

I know their best player is injured but wsu being ranked right now is a freaking joke.

[BMoreX]

Shannon saying the 12 ranking is a tie for program best. Am I crazy to remember the 2011-2012 team was 8th when we played UC?

Thought so too. Maybe that was the coaches poll.

How in gods name is Wichita 20th?

[blueblob06]

Pretty sure we were either #7 or #8 when we beat UC and the fight broke out.

[xubrew]

Is that right? I thought we got a bit higher in 1996-97. I believe we even got a first place vote.

We've been as high as #7. I think #7th was what we were ranked when Duke played us in the......

Okay, we're never supposed to mention that game.

[GoMuskies]

Shannon saying the 12 ranking is a tie for program best. Am I crazy to remember the 2011-2012 team was 8th when we played UC?

Shannon's way, way off.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/xavier/polls.html

[fellahmuskie]

Shannon's way, way off.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/xavier/polls.html

Public reps for that. Can't imagine there's another team in the country that has been ranked less/achieved more in March than Xavier. That said, I would be okay with being ranked in the Top 25 every week going forward :)

[XUFan09]

We've been as high as #7. I think #7th was what we were ranked when Duke played us in the......

Okay, we're never supposed to mention that game.
Yep, it was a #6 vs. #7 or #7 vs. #8 match up in...um...What were we talking about?

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[muskiefan82]

I believe GOMUSKIESis correct.

[X-Fan]

Such oddity in the fluctuations of rankings. Miami loses to Northeastern at home and only drops two spots to 21. Huh?!? That's Northeastern not Northwestern...who had just lost to Miami (Oh). X loses that game they don't see the rankings until rattling off 10 wins.

[Always Learning]

SIDs are stupid.

I beg your pardon.
You're stupid for saying that.
And no, I am not defending myself, but our SID, Tom is OUTSTANDING !!!!

[Always Learning]

Shannon's way, way off.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/xavier/polls.html

Perhaps "Modern Era," but Xavier was ranked #7 in December, 1958

[xubrew]

Have Xavier and UC both been ranked at the time of the Shootout??

I realize both have been ranked in the same seasons, but have both ever been ranked at the time the game was actually played??

[Masterofreality]

Have Xavier and UC both been ranked at the time of the Shootout??

I realize both have been ranked in the same seasons, but have both ever been ranked at the time the game was actually played??

January 19, 1994- Xavier ranked 22, SucKS ranked 19 in AP. X won 82-76 in OT.

[drudy23]

Geez Louise...would have never guessed that...maybe we will make the Top 10 at some point.

[X-man]

Perhaps "Modern Era," but Xavier was ranked #7 in December, 1958

If the "Modern Era" goes back to 1998, here are Xavier's top 10 rankings: 7-10 in 1998, 10 in 2003, 8-9 in 2008, 7 in 2009, and 8 in 2012. Just trying to help out since you are "always learning".

[GoMuskies]

I beg your pardon.
You're stupid for saying that.
And no, I am not defending myself, but our SID, Tom is OUTSTANDING !!!!

I didn't say ALL SIDs were stupid. Just the stupid ones.

[Always Learning]

I didn't say ALL SIDs were stupid. Just the stupid ones.

Don't know any of them, but I do know a lot of stupid coaches.
In some cases I am sure (I am factually correct on this as I did the voting for Ted Owens when I was at KU) whether it be the coach or the SID voting, isn't one iota difference in the intelligence level. Besides, polls, pre-season or otherwise exist only to humor us fans.
That trio doesn't see very many games in a week. They all just go by who won, who lost, was it a formidable win or was it a "bad loss."
Glowing W-L wins the day. And, I'll betcha there are more voters from the Big Ten, ACC, and PAC 12 combined than the rest.
Bottom line? After the first "usual" Top Ones this year (Michigan State, Kentucky, Arizona, UNC, Syracuse, Kansas) all the rest get shuffled around until March.

[XUFan09]

I'm almost positive that there is only one representative from each conference for the coaches poll. Regardless, it sucks as a poll, not that any of them are really good.

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[GoMuskies]

Back to the thread, X at #18 is definitive proof that SIDs are stupid (Tom Eiser excepted).

And DOBOs (Mario excepted).

[TUclutch]

Back to the thread, X at #18 is definitive proof that SIDs are stupid (Tom Eiser excepted).

And DOBOs (Mario excepted).

Technically Jeremy Growe is the DOBO. Mario is Director of Administration

[bjf123]

Split the difference and we're 15th, which seems about right. 12th seems a bit high. Just hope the players don't let it go to their heads or they'll drop one of the next two games.


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[D-West & PO-Z]

Split the difference and we're 15th, which seems about right. 12th seems a bit high. Just hope the players don't let it go to their heads or they'll drop one of the next two games.


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Why does 12 seem a bit high? Are their teams below us you think should be above us?

[Emp]

Why does 12 seem a bit high? Are their teams below us you think should be above us?

We haven't beaten any really good teams yet, so why be greedy? We beat UC then Wake away, that's a top ten team. Reality really starts New Year's Eve. Let's not get too puffed up about hammering Dayton. I'd rather be underrated than over and just win games "we're not supposed to win."

[drudy23]

We haven't beaten any really good teams yet, so why be greedy? We beat UC then Wake away, that's a top ten team. Reality really starts New Year's Eve. Let's not get too puffed up about hammering Dayton. I'd rather be underrated than over and just win games "we're not supposed to win."

LOL...the proverbial "sneak up on people" crowd.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We haven't beaten any really good teams yet, so why be greedy? We beat UC then Wake away, that's a top ten team. Reality really starts New Year's Eve. Let's not get too puffed up about hammering Dayton. I'd rather be underrated than over and just win games "we're not supposed to win."

This doesnt answer the question. You think we are ranked too high? Who should be above us?

We have beaten several solid teams and beaten them badly. I didnt say we should be top 10, we are #12 and I think that is a fair accurate ranking.

Why is it so hard for some X fans to accept when our team is really good and we finally get recognition for it. Why are so many wanting to "sneak up on people" or be "underrated"?

Its like some of you are so afraid to accept our team is really good and a top 15 team because you dont want to be disappointed if we lose or something. I dont get it.

[Juice]

We haven't beaten any really good teams yet, so why be greedy? We beat UC then Wake away, that's a top ten team. Reality really starts New Year's Eve. Let's not get too puffed up about hammering Dayton. I'd rather be underrated than over and just win games "we're not supposed to win."

Michigan and UD are both top 50 KenPom teams and USC is 51. That's out of 7 games. These three wins were done at another team's gym and at a neutral site.

[GoMuskies]

I'd probably have us behind Syracuse. So I think we might be overrated...by one spot. I can live with that.

[letskeepitreal]

Don't get me wrong, I love the number 12 but we'd better play like we belong there and the target will be on our backs. A lot of parity this year after the top few. I like what I've seen also from Syracuse, Gonzaga and Vandy but we're right there in the mix.

[Emp]

Michigan and UD are both top 50 KenPom teams and USC is 51. That's out of 7 games. These three wins were done at another team's gym and at a neutral site.

I could be wrong, but I doubt any of those teams will be top 25 at season's end, and that's my def of "really good."

We look really good now, but it's early December. Parsing out rankings with barely 20% of the season played is ludicrous. We deserve to be ranked, clearly. Are we better than Vandy or gonzags, who knows.

[OTRMUSKIE]

We just did something most X teams don't do and that's win an early tournament. I dont understand this sneaking up crap either. I guess we could ask the AP and coaches not to ever rank us so that we can sneak up on people. Teams like NKU or Clev St sneak up on people. Teams like X can't do that because of the great success year after year.

How is UC ahead of us Sagrin with a SOS of 300+ while we have a SOS in the top 50? Same record too

[waggy]

They played like a top 10 team this past weekend, so it's possible.

[XUFan09]

I could be wrong, but I doubt any of those teams will be top 25 at season's end, and that's my def of "really good."

We look really good now, but it's early December. Parsing out rankings with barely 20% of the season played is ludicrous. We deserve to be ranked, clearly. Are we better than Vandy or gonzags, who knows.

I view kicking the crap out of lower-level tournament teams as being on the same level as simply winning against teams ranked 11-25.

[Emp]

This doesnt answer the question. You think we are ranked too high? Who should be above us?

We have beaten several solid teams and beaten them badly. I didnt say we should be top 10, we are #12 and I think that is a fair accurate ranking.

Why is it so hard for some X fans to accept when our team is really good and we finally get recognition for it. Why are so many wanting to "sneak up on people" or be "underrated"?

Its like some of you are so afraid to accept our team is really good and a top 15 team because you dont want to be disappointed if we lose or something. I dont get it.


Easy there, bro. Playing the Wimp Fan Card a bit over the top maybe?

I'm enjoying our success immensely. Read my posts. Just because I'm cautionary about december rankings and targets on our backs doesn't mean you need to get all bent out, nor does it mean You get to call me out to demand that I give you chapter and verse to validate my opinion.

March counts , not December. So says our coach, and so I believe. I believe this team will be great, go to the Dance and do well, elite 8 potential. Forgive me my trespass of thinking long term.

[waggy]

elite 8 potential.

Even higher I think.

[wkrq59]

I'd probably have us behind Syracuse. So I think we might be overrated...by one spot. I can live with that.

Why can't we all just enjoy a lot of really good things that have happened to Xavier? Let's count 'em: Great coach who has earned national respect(Listen to the commentators.) Players are being judged fairy. Victories over Miami, Missouri, at Michigan and not a squeeker, NKU and the fallout and the tournament title. Did anyone notice something about the early second half of the Dayton game? Was there a three taken by X before midway through the period? I'll look through play.x.play but I don't think there was anything but in the paint or layups. And the lead kept growing. But maybe the biggest plus of this team is depth at every position. And the improvement of the seniors, the fact the players seem to really like each other. Hope no other shoes to fall.

[GoMuskies]

Why can't we all just enjoy a lot of really good things that have happened to Xavier?

Who the hell's not enjoying it (other than Dayton fans)?

Also, there were a number of threes as a part of the 21-0 run early in the second half. First one was not until 14:07 of the second half, though, so you're right that we layuped them to death first. ESPN calls our first 7 baskets of the second half either a layup or a dunk.

[Kahns Krazy]

We haven't beaten any really good teams yet, so why be greedy? We beat UC then Wake away, that's a top ten team. Reality really starts New Year's Eve. Let's not get too puffed up about hammering Dayton. I'd rather be underrated than over and just win games "we're not supposed to win."

What undefeated teams behind us have more of these "really good" wins? If reality doesn't start until New Years, whats the harm in being ranked at 12 now, even if it is a little high? I'd rather be in the top 10.

[Michigan Muskie]

Message boards are funny.

[xufan2020]

I think 12 is about right. I want us to stay ranked. It's not like the Muskies still can't play with a chip on their shoulders. What was Jason Love's quote about being ranked in the top 10 is an expectation, because where that damn good? I want THAT mindset back!

[Juice]

Easy there, bro. Playing the Wimp Fan Card a bit over the top maybe?

I'm enjoying our success immensely. Read my posts. Just because I'm cautionary about december rankings and targets on our backs doesn't mean you need to get all bent out, nor does it mean You get to call me out to demand that I give you chapter and verse to validate my opinion.

March counts , not December. So says our coach, and so I believe. I believe this team will be great, go to the Dance and do well, elite 8 potential. Forgive me my trespass of thinking long term.

No shit March counts, but the rankings are a reflection of teams' accomplishments right NOW, not what will happen in March.

[ammtd34]

We have 4 top 100 wins away from home already. We have 2 - possibly 3 - top 50 wins away from home. That's a really good resumé to have this early. Much better than having to dig ourselves out of an early season hole by being desperate for league or league tournament wins.

[Xavier]

I don't think Michigan will make the tournament, but they should still be top 100 RPI at the end of the year. Dayton Will probably make it but will be a bubble team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

No shit March counts, but the rankings are a reflection of teams' accomplishments right NOW, not what will happen in March.

Seriously.

And dont kid yourself Emp, Decemeber counts. Seeing Xavier scroll across the bottom on the TV screen when showing top 25 teams counts. It counts towards the perception of our program. Recruits watch ESPN and hear about the top 25 teams games.

Why do fans feel the need to be "cautionary"? I dont get it, the only reason is not be be disappointed I guess?

Sometimes I really think fans think if they personally look ahead, or dont stay humble, etc that is can negatively affect the team. It doesnt. Yes the team needs to stay hungry and thats Macks job to keep him that way.

I swear we have the only fan base who looks for reasons why our team should be ranked a little lower. "Why be greedy?" I dont understand how being ranked 12 is "greedy". I dont want to be over or under rated, I would like to be generally appropriately rated, which I believe to THIS point in the season we are.

[Muskie1995]

Love the press that comes with being ranked. The more free marketing for the program the better.

As for the rankings themselves, I don't really get caught up where we are ranked and who's else is ranked.

I just want our players & coaches to keep on working to get better to get the program to the elusive 3rd weekend of the NCAA tourney.

[gladdenguy]

I don't think Michigan will make the tournament, but they should still be top 100 RPI at the end of the year. Dayton Will probably make it but will be a bubble team.

Michigan will make the tournament. In the Big 10, Maryland, Michigan St. and Purdue are good. The rest of the conference does not look good (Ohio St., Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, etc). Michigan will be battling Indiana for the 4th best team in the conference. As long as they don't implode Michigan should be anywhere from a 9-12 seed.

[BMoreX]

ESPN power rankings:

Overall: 13
Andy Katz: 5
Joe Lunardi: 14
Myron Medcalf: not in top 25
Dana O'Neil: 18
Eamonn Brennan: 15
CL Brown: 11
Sean Farmham: 12
John Gasaway: 12
Jeff Goodman: 11
Seth Greenberg: 14

[xufan2434]

I don't get all the backlash for a guy having an opinion that 12 might be a little high. They've had good quality wins that will help this resume, but I agree they weren't exactly world beaters. Need Michigan to get better, which I think they will. Either way, it's been a while since an X team has started this well especially away from home. When did they get their first good road win last year, Feb? In my mind, if they want to be solidified as a Top 15 team, then they have to win the Shootout at home. And if they want to be solidified top 10 team, X needs to prove they'll compete with Nova. And I don't mean trail by 10 the whole game going back and forth. If they lose on the road, fine.. but I think everyone can agree the difference in the eye test in that game.

Just for the love of God, please no losses to Depaul or St. John's or the bottom feeders this year. That's what separates middle of the pack from the top

[X-Fan]

I don't think Michigan will make the tournament, but they should still be top 100 RPI at the end of the year. Dayton Will probably make it but will be a bubble team.


Michigan will make the tournament. In the Big 10, Maryland, Michigan St. and Purdue are good. The rest of the conference does not look good (Ohio St., Iowa, Indiana, Illinois, etc). Michigan will be battling Indiana for the 4th best team in the conference. As long as they don't implode Michigan should be anywhere from a 9-12 seed.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. Don't forget Wiscy might be down as well. Also, Michigan has talent. LeVert alone can probably get them into the tourney. Two of their better/experienced guards Spike and Irvin are coming off of off-season surgery. They need to figure out their inside game and defense. The offense will come and it will be dynamic. They might have turned a bit of a corner against Charlotte and Texas over the weekend. We'll see when they play at NC State tonight how much progress they've made.

[paulxu]

Speaking of national press, I checked out the ESPN home page and NCAA home page after the game.
I never found any article about us winning the championship, which I assumed they sponsored. The only tweet running down the right side of the page that I ever saw about the game was a replay of Pollard's dunk.
It seems ESPN has a problem with the BE. In fact their coverage of this tournament was abysmal.
I don't particularly care for Dickie V, but I hope the ratings were respectable for our game. Probably not with Sunday NFL going on.

[xufan2434]

ESPN power rankings:

Overall: 13
Andy Katz: 5
Joe Lunardi: 14
Myron Medcalf: not in top 25
Dana O'Neil: 18
Eamonn Brennan: 15
CL Brown: 11
Sean Farmham: 12
John Gasaway: 12
Jeff Goodman: 11
Seth Greenberg: 14

Katz showing the love.. Didn't see that one coming. LOL at Myron Medcalf

[BMoreX]

Katz showing the love.. Didn't see that one coming. LOL at Myron Medcalf

So it must have been an error because now he's got us at 14.

[THRILLHOUSE]

So it must have been an error because now he's got us at 14.

Myron Medcalf ‏@MedcalfByESPN 40m40 minutes ago
Made a mistake and left Xavier off my top 25 power rankings list. Not intentional. Got them back at No. 14 where I meant to place them.

[Masterofreality]

Message boards are funny.

Of course they are...and supposed to be entertainment.

We, and especially me, aren't trying to solve Ebola here- just fake Global Warming and Chinese smog pollution- so no one should get their panties up in a wad- except for Notre Dame fans! :biggrin:

[MuskieXU]

Seriously.

And dont kid yourself Emp, Decemeber counts. Seeing Xavier scroll across the bottom on the TV screen when showing top 25 teams counts. It counts towards the perception of our program. Recruits watch ESPN and hear about the top 25 teams games.

Why do fans feel the need to be "cautionary"? I dont get it, the only reason is not be be disappointed I guess?

Sometimes I really think fans think if they personally look ahead, or dont stay humble, etc that is can negatively affect the team. It doesnt. Yes the team needs to stay hungry and thats Macks job to keep him that way.

I swear we have the only fan base who looks for reasons why our team should be ranked a little lower. "Why be greedy?" I dont understand how being ranked 12 is "greedy". I dont want to be over or under rated, I would like to be generally appropriately rated, which I believe to THIS point in the season we are.

The reason I am a bit cautionary is I think weve matched up very well with the teams we've played. Dayton, USC, Alabama, and Michigan are all below average rebounding teams while we are a very good rebounding, and as a result we dominated them on the boards. I dont want to take away anything from those wins they are obviously very good, but I dont necessarily think theyre totally indicative of what we should expect the rest of the year.

[Masterofreality]

Speaking of national press, I checked out the ESPN home page and NCAA home page after the game.
I never found any article about us winning the championship, which I assumed they sponsored. The only tweet running down the right side of the page that I ever saw about the game was a replay of Pollard's dunk.
It seems ESPN has a problem with the BE. In fact their coverage of this tournament was abysmal.
I don't particularly care for Dickie V, but I hope the ratings were respectable for our game. Probably not with Sunday NFL going on.

Ah, HA!!!! Another convert to the ESPN hates the Big East conspiracy theory.

Stick with me kid, you'll go far.

[nuts4xu]

In seasons we have played the best, we have won tough games on the road. Winning the Advocare tourney, and at Michigan, leads me to believe this will be a very good season. Winning road games is the toughest thing to do in most sports, and it is the reason RPI weighs the road wins more than home games.

To gain a good seed and to succeed in March, you MUST be able to win away from home. The fact we have already gained some scalps bodes very well for this Xavier team. I am pumped beyond belief for the games to come.

SMELL THE GLOVE!!

[Masterofreality]

In seasons we have played the best, we have won tough games on the road. Winning the Advocare tourney, and at Michigan, leads me to believe this will be a very good season. Winning road games is the toughest thing to do in most sports, and it is the reason RPI weighs the road wins more than home games.

To gain a good seed and to succeed in March, you MUST be able to win away from home. The fact we have already gained some scalps bodes very well for this Xavier team. I am pumped beyond belief for the games to come.

SMELL THE GLOVE!!

Well said, Nuts! This is the most mentally tough team I've seen since Tu's days. But they are more innately skilled than those teams. Liking everything I've seen. No reason why the 'Tas shouldn't be sold out every freaking game this year the rest of the way.

[MADXSTER]

Well said, Nuts! This is the most mentally tough team I've seen since Tu's days. But they are more innately skilled than those teams. Liking everything I've seen. No reason why the 'Tas shouldn't be sold out every freaking game this year the rest of the way.

Agree, lots and lots of confidence going on....Tre, JP, Myles, Sumner, Farr, Abel and Jalen.

[D-West & PO-Z]

ESPN power rankings:

Overall: 13
Andy Katz: 5
Joe Lunardi: 14
Myron Medcalf: not in top 25
Dana O'Neil: 18
Eamonn Brennan: 15
CL Brown: 11
Sean Farmham: 12
John Gasaway: 12
Jeff Goodman: 11
Seth Greenberg: 14

Number 12 overall now with votes adjusted.

[murray87]

When will Bill Murray make an appearance at a home game? (or has that already happened?)

[muskiefan82]

When will Bill Murray make an appearance at a home game? (or has that already happened?)

The guy from Loveland who owns the exact ECTO-1 replica should drive him up to the front door of the Cintas Center.1818

[LadyMuskie]

When will Bill Murray make an appearance at a home game? (or has that already happened?)

Star wars night. He's coming as Jar Jar Binks.

[bobbiemcgee]

ESPN power rankings:

Overall: 13
Andy Katz: 5
Joe Lunardi: 14
Myron Medcalf: not in top 25
Dana O'Neil: 18
Eamonn Brennan: 15
CL Brown: 11
Sean Farmham: 12
John Gasaway: 12
Jeff Goodman: 11
Seth Greenberg: 14

Myron has atoned for his sins:

Myron Medcalf ‏@MedcalfByESPN 6h6 hours ago

Made a mistake and left Xavier off my top 25 power rankings list. Not intentional. Got them back at No. 14 where I meant to place them.
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Myron Medcalf ‏@MedcalfByESPN 6h6 hours ago

Myron Medcalf Retweeted Brian Leibforth

That's just a mistake on my part. Was rearranging teams. Had Xavier high. Forgot to put them back on final version.

Myron Medcalf added,
Brian Leibforth @bleibforth
So @ESPNAndyKatz has Xavier #5 in his power rankings but @MedcalfByESPN doesn't have X in his top 25. I think I like Katz's better
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[Masterofreality]

Myron has atoned for his sins:

Myron Medcalf ‏@MedcalfByESPN 6h6 hours ago

Made a mistake and left Xavier off my top 25 power rankings list. Not intentional. Got them back at No. 14 where I meant to place them.
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Myron Medcalf ‏@MedcalfByESPN 6h6 hours ago

Myron Medcalf Retweeted Brian Leibforth

That's just a mistake on my part. Was rearranging teams. Had Xavier high. Forgot to put them back on final version.

Myron Medcalf added,
Brian Leibforth @bleibforth
So @ESPNAndyKatz has Xavier #5 in his power rankings but @MedcalfByESPN doesn't have X in his top 25. I think I like Katz's better
2 retweets 5 likes

Leave it to Brian to get on Medcalf's sh$&@t! :jig:

[MauriceX]

Speaking of national press, I checked out the ESPN home page and NCAA home page after the game.
I never found any article about us winning the championship, which I assumed they sponsored. The only tweet running down the right side of the page that I ever saw about the game was a replay of Pollard's dunk.
It seems ESPN has a problem with the BE. In fact their coverage of this tournament was abysmal.
I don't particularly care for Dickie V, but I hope the ratings were respectable for our game. Probably not with Sunday NFL going on.

I hear you. I was driving on Sunday and missed the game. I figured ESPN would be a good place to find highlights since they were sponsors of the tournament and every game was on the ESPN family of channels. There were a few highlights of individual plays, but no recap! It is kinda pathetic.

[bobbiemcgee]

I hear you. I was driving on Sunday and missed the game. I figured ESPN would be a good place to find highlights since they were sponsors of the tournament and every game was on the ESPN family of channels. There were a few highlights of individual plays, but no recap! It is kinda pathetic.

Make up your own highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28qo5mltl0


Shot of Dayton bench @ .54 is priceless

[MauriceX]

Make up your own highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28qo5mltl0


Shot of Dayton bench @ .54 is priceless

You sir are a scholar and a gentleman.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

Make up your own highlights:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d28qo5mltl0


Shot of Dayton bench @ .54 is priceless

Thanks for the link. I just watched the whole game. Nothing is more satisfying.

[Emp]

You've jumped the shark and it's only December 2.

Seriously, we land four and five star recruits based on the ESPN crawl in December? In what universe?

Assuming that totally far fetched premise, Xavier is on the crawl whether we're 12 or 18, so that argument fails.

"Why do fans "........fill in the blank. Well it's because everyone doesn't think the same or feel the same. Getting passionately agitated about that fact of life is no way to think or live or be happy. There is no accounting for taste, nor any need to. Why you feel you have to talk down to me and all the rest of the fans you don't understand on some matter of purely minor differences in personal opinion is just weird . I'm not harming dear alma mater Xavier, or you, with my thoughts and opinions, unless you are just hellbent on taking personal offense where none was given.

To quote another poster, R E L A X.





Seriously.

And dont kid yourself Emp, Decemeber counts. Seeing Xavier scroll across the bottom on the TV screen when showing top 25 teams counts. It counts towards the perception of our program. Recruits watch ESPN and hear about the top 25 teams games.

Why do fans feel the need to be "cautionary"? I dont get it, the only reason is not be be disappointed I guess?

Sometimes I really think fans think if they personally look ahead, or dont stay humble, etc that is can negatively affect the team. It doesnt. Yes the team needs to stay hungry and thats Macks job to keep him that way.

I swear we have the only fan base who looks for reasons why our team should be ranked a little lower. "Why be greedy?" I dont understand how being ranked 12 is "greedy". I dont want to be over or under rated, I would like to be generally appropriately rated, which I believe to THIS point in the season we are.

[Kahns Krazy]

....... Why you feel you have to talk down to me......



Considering the source, this post amuses me to no end.

[D-West & PO-Z]

You've jumped the shark and it's only December 2.

Seriously, we land four and five star recruits based on the ESPN crawl in December? In what universe?

Assuming that totally far fetched premise, Xavier is on the crawl whether we're 12 or 18, so that argument fails.

"Why do fans "........fill in the blank. Well it's because everyone doesn't think the same or feel the same. Getting passionately agitated about that fact of life is no way to think or live or be happy. There is no accounting for taste, nor any need to. Why you feel you have to talk down to me and all the rest of the fans you don't understand on some matter of purely minor differences in personal opinion is just weird . I'm not harming dear alma mater Xavier, or you, with my thoughts and opinions, unless you are just hellbent on taking personal offense where none was given.

To quote another poster, R E L A X.

This is funny considering I feel you were the one who got their panties in a bunch when I was seriously just asking questions I was curious to know your answers to. Then you got all pissed about possibly answering a question for some reason and accused me on "demanding" an answer. Plus you called me "bro" so I feel you took it down hill pretty fast. I get people have different opinions, and I respect that.

Your opinion is we are ranked too high, we should be happy where we are ranked and not be "too greedy" and our rankings throughout the season have no bearing whatsoever on potential recruits or our future success of our program. Oh and you dont ever want to answer any questions because no one has the right to "demand" answers from you. Got it.

[Xville]

I like that we are ranked now, but if we aren't come March it won't matter. I like being raanked and hope we stay that way the whole year. As far as being ranked too high or too low...who knows...it is too early in the season to make that judgement.

[chowertime]

First time I have ever seen this. Found it on the Nova board, thought I would share here. Pretty cool and functional site.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/xu/2015

[XUFan09]

I love how DWEST talked about the benefit in perception from rankings for 4 and 5 star recruits, and somehow Emp interpreted that as the ESPN ticker being the reason we land top recruits. Not a factor or a recruiting boost, but THE reason. Either Emp is being willfully obtuse or he's purposely constructed a strawman.

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[gladdenguy]

First time I have ever seen this. Found it on the Nova board, thought I would share here. Pretty cool and functional site.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/xu/2015

I always knew I loved John Feinstein

[XU 87]

Seriously, we land four and five star recruits based on the ESPN crawl in December? In what universe?



I don't think anyone said that, but it certainly helps with recruiting when potential recruits get to watch your highlights on ESPN and see the school's name on the crawl. It's free advertising, and good advertising at that. There's a reason companies like Budweiser spend so much money on advertising.

[IM4X]

Chowertime...

Cool. Thanks for sharing!

[D-West & PO-Z]

I love how DWEST talked about the benefit in perception from rankings for 4 and 5 star recruits, and somehow Emp interpreted that as the ESPN ticker being the reason we land top recruits. Not a factor or a recruiting boost, but THE reason. Either Emp is being willfully obtuse or he's purposely constructed a strawman.

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I don't think anyone said that, but it certainly helps with recruiting when potential recruits get to watch your highlights on ESPN and see the school's name on the crawl. It's free advertising, and good advertising at that. There's a reason companies like Budweiser spend so much money on advertising.

Yes to both of these, thanks.

[MauriceX]

You've jumped the shark and it's only December 2.

Seriously, we land four and five star recruits based on the ESPN crawl in December? In what universe?

Assuming that totally far fetched premise, Xavier is on the crawl whether we're 12 or 18, so that argument fails.

"Why do fans "........fill in the blank. Well it's because everyone doesn't think the same or feel the same. Getting passionately agitated about that fact of life is no way to think or live or be happy. There is no accounting for taste, nor any need to. Why you feel you have to talk down to me and all the rest of the fans you don't understand on some matter of purely minor differences in personal opinion is just weird . I'm not harming dear alma mater Xavier, or you, with my thoughts and opinions, unless you are just hellbent on taking personal offense where none was given.

To quote another poster, R E L A X.

EMP, I definitely see your point. The one thing that sticks out for me though, and I think the other posters have hinted at this, is that the average basketball fan uses the top 25 polls in order to know who is good and who isn't. We are the dedicated ones, so we have a better understanding outside of just what the polls say. Lots of times when I mention I went to Xavier, people say "oh, didn't they have a good basketball team a few years ago?" And when I tell people that Xavier has been to 5 Sweet 16's in the past 8 years, they always say "Wow! I didn't know they were that good!"

To the average basketball fan, this is how we get noticed. The more average basketball fans that notice us, the higher profile we gain amongst the general public, and that is when the team's "stock" rises. While being #12 won't make a recruit sign, if we stay in the rankings on a consistent basis, it will help us get those recruits on a more regular basis.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

L
EMP, I definitely see your point. The one thing that sticks out for me though, and I think the other posters have hinted at this, is that the average basketball fan uses the top 25 polls in order to know who is good and who isn't. We are the dedicated ones, so we have a better understanding outside of just what the polls say. Lots of times when I mention I went to Xavier, people say "oh, didn't they have a good basketball team a few years ago?" And when I tell people that Xavier has been to 5 Sweet 16's in the past 8 years, they always say "Wow! I didn't know they were that good!"

To the average basketball fan, this is how we get noticed. The more average basketball fans that notice us, the higher profile we gain amongst the general public, and that is when the team's "stock" rises. While being #12 won't make a recruit sign, if we stay in the rankings on a consistent basis, it will help us get those recruits on a more regular basis.

Agree !

[Nigel Tufnel]

I hear you. I was driving on Sunday and missed the game. I figured ESPN would be a good place to find highlights since they were sponsors of the tournament and every game was on the ESPN family of channels. There were a few highlights of individual plays, but no recap! It is kinda pathetic.

Please do not think I'm being a smartass...invest in a DVR. Oh...and when DVRing X games...always end time 30 mins to 1 hour later.

[xu82]

Please do not think I'm being a smartass...invest in a DVR. Oh...and when DVRing X games...always end time 30 mins to 1 hour later.

I forgot to add the show scheduled AFTER the game once this year. Brain fart! Did NOT see the last few minutes of play. Fortunately it wasn't close.

I even DVR the games I'm home for just in case something comes up or I want to go back later to see (which is extremely rare, but that's the boy scout in me.

[MauriceX]

Please do not think I'm being a smartass...invest in a DVR. Oh...and when DVRing X games...always end time 30 mins to 1 hour later.

I'm not that far removed from college and living in D.C., so my roommate and I are trying to cut some costs. I've had the DVR for previous seasons, but we got rid of cable entirely this year. It's been my first season without a way to watch Xavier on a consistent basis or record the games I miss. Surprisingly, I've been able to watch every game so far through live streams I've found online. But I know that one of these days, it is going to fail me, and that scares the crap outta me! I've thought about getting cable just for X basketball, but I don't know if I can justify the cost.

[GoMuskies]

This Pugh guy is clearly a genius.

http://www.compughterratings.com/CBB/ratings

[paulxu]

I still like this guy...and this was as of 11/30. Will see where he goes at the end of this week.

http://colleyrankings.com/hcurrank.html

[Blue Blobs Bro]

Bilas ranks us 8th above duke in his power rankings. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/14272518/bilas-index-gives-full-rundown-top-68-teams-college-basketball

[Xville]

I'm dreaming for an undefeated matchup....two 12-0 teams Nova vs Xavier on NYE. Nova would have beaten #6 Oklahoma and @ #10 Virginia...they would probably be in the top 5 if that were the case...Xavier would be in the top 10 for sure. What a spotlight that would be for the Big East on the first day of conference games.

[XUFan09]

Bilas ranks us 8th above duke in his power rankings. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/14272518/bilas-index-gives-full-rundown-top-68-teams-college-basketball

Did he say anything worthwhile? It's an Insider article.

[Blue Blobs Bro]

Big East

4. Villanova Wildcats
Jay Wright has very good guards (again), and a developing big man in Daniel Ochefu, one of the top ten offensive rebounders in the country.
8. Xavier Musketeers
The Bilastrator sees this Xavier team as the best under Chris Mack, and he has had some darn good teams. Jalen Reynolds is a load for any interior defender, Trevon Bluiett is the top scorer and Edmond Sumner is a special player.
26. Butler Bulldogs
The Bulldogs are solid on offense, with terrific shooting and offensive rebounding, but still trying to figure out the defensive end. Butler has always been a physical defensive team, and will have to defend a bit differently going forward. But, this is still an NCAA tournament team. Chris Holtmann does a great job.
29. Providence Friars
Kris Dunn is the best point guard in the country. He is long, athletic and impacts the game at both ends. Providence has more than just Dunn, but Dunn is spectacular. Rodney Bullock and Ben Bentil can both put up numbers and are a terrific supporting cast.
34. Georgetown Hoyas
The Hoyas are solid, and have played a great schedule early. Isaac Copeland is maturing into a star. The Hoyas have to rebound better to be among the top 25.
58. Creighton Bluejays
Solid on the offensive end, low turnovers and efficient getting good shots, the Bluejays can score. But defense is lacking. A 20-point loss to Indiana was the only game played against a top 100 team, let alone a Bilas Index team.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He calls UC the fighting Mick Cronins. Thing that is because Cronin is so small, like a leprechaun, that it reminds him of the Fighting Irish?

[muskiefan82]

He calls UC the fighting Mick Cronins. Thing that is because Cronin is so small, like a leprechaun, that it reminds him of the Fighting Irish?

I suppose it is better than the UC Beargnomes. 1823

[XfansinKy]

I apologize for being off-topic, but can somebody tell me who holds the record for three-pointers made at Xavier? Somebody told me it was Brad but I know it can't be him. Not that he couldn't shoot with the best, but I don't see how he got enough time to do it . I really would appreciate it if someone would let me know as I have a steak dinner riding on this.

[RealDeal]

I apologize for being off-topic, but can somebody tell me who holds the record for three-pointers made at Xavier? Somebody told me it was Brad but I know it can't be him. Not that he couldn't shoot with the best, but I don't see how he got enough time to do it . I really would appreciate it if someone would let me know as I have a steak dinner riding on this.

I think it's CJ Anderson.

[Emp]

"Bro" offends?!? Characterization withdrawn.

Never said anyone was too greedy. I said why be greedy in December, were ranked, that pretty good.

Never said rankings thought the season don't matter. Said whether we're ranked 12th or 18th in December doesn't matter. Still say December rankings have no effect on recruiting, and disagree with your assertion that I'm kidding myself on that point.

Withdraw the term "demand," but note that when I didn't give you chapter and verse in my first response, you've continue to make a point of it in each succeeding post. Call it a repeated request?

I don't accept the premise that my feeling being ranked 12th might be high requires a defense that lists teams. If I give you a list, you'll start arguing every item. However, in another response IN THIS THREAD I listed two teams. I guess you wanted me to speak directly to you, rather than the thread. So whether you failed to see my other posts or are trying to make gotcha! points, at the time Syracuse and Gonzaga, and I would now add providence and Butler. How can I say any of those teams, you wonder. Inane ignorance, negative thinking, eye and smell test? I dunno.

Now let me pose a question to you : how you can conclude from my post, -- and the few other posts that don't agree with you 100% about being ranked 12th -- that we have the only fan base that looks for ways for our team to be ranked lower? Maybe, like your fixation with a few opinions that don't agree with you 100%, a gross and baseless exaggeration?

[xu82]

I think it's CJ Anderson.

That just caused me to laugh inappropriately in a hospital setting. People are sick and dying all around me and I appear to be having a super good time....thanks!

But public reps, the man is holding me down!

[xu82]

I apologize for being off-topic, but can somebody tell me who holds the record for three-pointers made at Xavier? Somebody told me it was Brad but I know it can't be him. Not that he couldn't shoot with the best, but I don't see how he got enough time to do it . I really would appreciate it if someone would let me know as I have a steak dinner riding on this.

I don't know, but for a couple of beers I'll say anyone you'd like me to say. A true win-win.

[waggy]

I don't know, but it has to be Sato doesn't it?

[xu82]

It could be someone on this roster before they're done, but I'm not sure who exactly! That's crazy.

[KC4X]

I don't know, but it has to be Sato doesn't it?

Pretty sure it's Sato with 8. And, wasn't it during opening day of Cintas vs. Miami?

[waggy]

Pretty sure it's Sato with 8. And, wasn't it during opening day of Cintas vs. Miami?

I think he wants career 3 pointers.

Sato had 307.

[waggy]

Redford had 195.

[Juice]

I think he wants career 3 pointers.

Sato had 307.

Game = Sato with 9
Season = Lenny Brown with 104
Career = Sato with 307

http://sidearm.sites.s3.amazonaws.com/goxavier.com/documents/2015/12/1/pg119_172_records.pdf?id=7405
Page 142

[Juice]

Pretty sure it's Sato with 8. And, wasn't it during opening day of Cintas vs. Miami?

Sato had games where he hit 8 and 9 3-pointers. Both games were against Rhode Island.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Withdraw the term "demand," but note that when I didn't give you chapter and verse in my first response, you've continue to make a point of it in each succeeding post. Call it a repeated request?



Check again, I asked you the question exactly ONE time. I asked a question and you decided to get hostile because you didnt like having to answer a question. Noted, believe me I wont ask you any other questions in the future. Obviously something stuck a nerve with you given you have completely fabricated this story that I kept repeatedly asking you the same question over multiple posts. My bad.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Never said anyone was too greedy. I said why be greedy in December, were ranked, that pretty good.



Another incorrect statement, you mentioned nothing about December in your psot about not being greedy. Still confused with what is greedy being ranked 12th by impartial AP writers. I would ask follow up questions to try and understand you better but dont want to "demand" anything from you.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Never said rankings thought the season don't matter. Said whether we're ranked 12th or 18th in December doesn't matter. Still say December rankings have no effect on recruiting, and disagree with your assertion that I'm kidding myself on that point.


I think you just did? But I have been constantly confused by your posts, so not sure.

[paulxu]

Sato, but only because Steve Thomas didn't have the opportunity.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I don't accept the premise that my feeling being ranked 12th might be high requires a defense that lists teams. If I give you a list, you'll start arguing every item. However, in another response IN THIS THREAD I listed two teams. I guess you wanted me to speak directly to you, rather than the thread. So whether you failed to see my other posts or are trying to make gotcha! points, at the time Syracuse and Gonzaga, and I would now add providence and Butler. How can I say any of those teams, you wonder. Inane ignorance, negative thinking, eye and smell test? I dunno.


Well you didnt really say those two teams should be ahead of us, you said who knows if they should be. Regardless, since I never asked the question again how do you know I didnt just take that as your answer. Again I am very confused. Thanks for the sort of answer??

[D-West & PO-Z]

Now let me pose a question to you : how you can conclude from my post, -- and the few other posts that don't agree with you 100% about being ranked 12th -- that we have the only fan base that looks for ways for our team to be ranked lower? Maybe, like your fixation with a few opinions that don't agree with you 100%, a gross and baseless exaggeration?

I have no problem answering questions, thank you for posing it.

Definitely an exaggeration, didnt mean for it to be taken completely seriously. I am sure there are plenty of other fans of other teams who think their team should be ranked lower and would rather be underrated than overrated.

[Masterofreality]

Sato, but only because Steve Thomas didn't have the opportunity.

Agree. If Steve Thomas had a 3 point line, was able to play for 4 years and didn't have a knee injury at the end, (I know, if my Bessie had a Package...), he may have scored 5,000 points. Young whippersnappers don't know how great that guy was.

[Olsingledigit]

Agree. If Steve Thomas had a 3 point line, was able to play for 4 years and didn't have a knee injury at the end, (I know, if my Bessie had a Package...), he may have scored 5,000 points. Young whippersnappers don't know how great that guy was.

Thomas's best year was my freshman year and he was off the charts good. I have never before or since seen a guy who could shoot that well on the move. And he shot off the wrong foot. However, MOR (as you allude to) if the dog had not stopped to take a crap he would have caught the rabbit. Lots of ifs in the world. Gale Sayers is the best runner I have ever seen in football too and the stats would back me up IF.....

[X Factor]

Sato had games where he hit 8 and 9 3-pointers. Both games were against Rhode Island.

Yep, and one of those games was his freshman year where I think he scored 35 points against Rhode Island.

Romain was a warrior.

[XU 87]

Agree. If Steve Thomas had a 3 point line, was able to play for 4 years and didn't have a knee injury at the end, (I know, if my Bessie had a Package...), he may have scored 5,000 points. Young whippersnappers don't know how great that guy was.

Before my time, but his number should be retired.

[Retire33]

Before my time, but his number should be retired.

He and Sato together!

[waggy]

Isn't Romain supposed to be in Cintas this year for somesuch honor?

[THRILLHOUSE]

Isn't Romain supposed to be in Cintas this year for somesuch honor?

Romain was inducted into last years HOF class. Not sure about anything involving him this season. Chalmers is going into this years HOF class.

[xu82]

Agree. If Steve Thomas had a 3 point line, was able to play for 4 years and didn't have a knee injury at the end, (I know, if my Bessie had a Package...), he may have scored 5,000 points. Young whippersnappers don't know how great that guy was.

I admit I had to look this guy up. The article I read mentioned the knee injury, then it failing again. No idea about his other strengths or shortcomings, but it makes me wonder what could have been if he had current medicine and rehab working for him. I remember the days when a torn ACL basically meant you were 90% likely to be done in the NFL. Now it's barely a speed bump for most guys. The horrific Willis McGahee injury had one doctor comment that 20 years earlier they would have considered amputation due to ligament, nerve and vascular damage. Instead of being an amputee, he played a decade and a half in the NFL. That's a big difference. Sorry.... what's this thread about again? (But you guys started it!)



Edit: I realize only now (on not my first glass of wine) that I may have gone down that path because my wife spent almost 5 hours in surgery today with an amazing surgeon who said the magic word to me while she was in recovery: Benign.

[Masterofreality]

Before my time, but his number should be retired.


He and Sato together!

Stupid that #10 is not!! Gotta talk to Greg Christopher about that.

[paulxu]

He and Sato together!

This.

[xuwin]

I really liked Sato, but, I would not put him in the same category with those who have had their jersey's retired.

[X Factor]

I really liked Sato, but, I would not put him in the same category with those who have had their jersey's retired.

Huh?

Romain is 3rd All Time in scoring, over 2,000 points. He is also 8th All Time in rebounding, as a 6'3 guard!

He also led Xavier to it's first Elite Eight. He IS an All Time Xavier great.

[MuskieCinci]

Maybe Xavier takes a tradition from soccer and starts issuing jersey # 10 whenever we have a really special player? Between Steve Thomas and Romain Sato I would imagine it has been the most productive jersey throughout school history.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Any way to easily access who wore what number at XU? That would be interesting to see.
I have a #34 jersey I got when Lloyd Price was there then Stan had that number, did Aaron Williams wear that number? He wore 34 in NBA.

[bobbiemcgee]

Monmouth beat UCLA and Dayton beat Monmouth and then we slaughtered Dayton and UCLA beat UK by 10, soooooooooooooooooooo we should be #1 !!

[Masterofreality]

Any way to easily access who wore what number at XU? That would be interesting to see.
I have a #34 jersey I got when Lloyd Price was there then Stan had that number, did Aaron Williams wear that number? He wore 34 in NBA.

Aaron Williams wore #44 at Xavier.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Aaron Williams wore #44 at Xavier.

Ah, thanks.

[xufan2434]

Huh?

Romain is 3rd All Time in scoring, over 2,000 points. He is also 8th All Time in rebounding, as a 6'3 guard!

He also led Xavier to it's first Elite Eight. He IS an All Time Xavier great.

Sato was great, no doubt. Not only one of the best players from X, but also one of the best people. Having his jersey retired is an interesting topic. I think he's close but not close enough. As xuwin said, when you think about the guys that have their numbers retired, they were transcendent and dominated. Sato was a great combination with Chalmers, but Chalmers was the go-to guy in 04' for that team. Not that it has anything to do with retiring someone's number, but I feel like all the others have been that guy. In my mind Tu has done more than Romain has to get the number retired.

[TUclutch]

Sato was great, no doubt. Not only one of the best players from X, but also one of the best people. Having his jersey retired is an interesting topic. I think he's close but not close enough. As xuwin said, when you think about the guys that have their numbers retired, they were transcendent and dominated. Sato was a great combination with Chalmers, but Chalmers was the go-to guy in 04' for that team. Not that it has anything to do with retiring someone's number, but I feel like all the others have been that guy. In my mind Tu has done more than Romain has to get the number retired.

Agreed. Loved Sato, but I would without a doubt retire Holloway's jersey over Sato's

[X-band '01]

Any way to easily access who wore what number at XU? That would be interesting to see.
I have a #34 jersey I got when Lloyd Price was there then Stan had that number, did Aaron Williams wear that number? He wore 34 in NBA.

It's too bad we can't have a 359 jersey for Lloyd Price.

[chico]

Sato was great, no doubt. Not only one of the best players from X, but also one of the best people. Having his jersey retired is an interesting topic. I think he's close but not close enough. As xuwin said, when you think about the guys that have their numbers retired, they were transcendent and dominated. Sato was a great combination with Chalmers, but Chalmers was the go-to guy in 04' for that team. Not that it has anything to do with retiring someone's number, but I feel like all the others have been that guy. In my mind Tu has done more than Romain has to get the number retired.

This is why there needs tone some sort of Ring of Honor for players that were greats but not program changers, like Larkin, Hill and Grant were. I know we have the HOF but that's for all sports. Something honoring just the basketball players somewhere in Cintas would be nice - maybe hanging banners from the rafters in the concourse or on back wall below the banners of the teams in the conference.

[D-West & PO-Z]

This is why there needs tone some sort of Ring of Honor for players that were greats but not program changers, like Larkin, Hill and Grant were. I know we have the HOF but that's for all sports. Something honoring just the basketball players somewhere in Cintas would be nice - maybe hanging banners from the rafters in the concourse or on back wall below the banners of the teams in the conference.

I feel like ring of honors are usually either the same thing in sports as retiring numbers or they are in place of it because a team doesnt retire numbers. I think it would be a lot to have a HOF, Ring of honor, and retired jerseys. Maybe if that had a specific section in the Cintas for the bball players who are in the HOF that might work, but I like that the retired numbers are in the spotlight with nothing else taking away from that.

[xuwin]

Huh?

Romain is 3rd All Time in scoring, over 2,000 points. He is also 8th All Time in rebounding, as a 6'3 guard!

He also led Xavier to it's first Elite Eight. He IS an All Time Xavier great.

Xavier Hall of Fame = Yes
Retire his jersey = No

[chico]

I feel like ring of honors are usually either the same thing in sports as retiring numbers or they are in place of it because a team doesnt retire numbers. I think it would be a lot to have a HOF, Ring of honor, and retired jerseys. Maybe if that had a specific section in the Cintas for the bball players who are in the HOF that might work, but I like that the retired numbers are in the spotlight with nothing else taking away from that.

I'd like to at least see something like they do at PBS where they hang big banners of players from the rafters in the concourse. There needs to be something more than just a little plaque on the wall on the west side of the arena (a place nobody goes unless they sit over there) along with all the other HOF inductees in all the other sports. I think it would be nice to see guys like Lenny Brown, Ralph Lee, James Posey, Stanley Burrell and even old timers like Steve Thomas honored in some way.

[D-West & PO-Z]

I'd like to at least see something like they do at PBS where they hang big banners of players from the rafters in the concourse. There needs to be something more than just a little plaque on the wall on the west side of the arena (a place nobody goes unless they sit over there) along with all the other HOF inductees in all the other sports. I think it would be nice to see guys like Lenny Brown, Ralph Lee, James Posey, Stanley Burrell and even old timers like Steve Thomas honored in some way.

Speaking of James Posey.......

I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they had interviewed Kobe and they asked him about the best defenders he faced, he ultimately said Tony Allen was the toughest but mentioned about 4-5 other guys that were the toughest and Posey was one of them. Pretty sweet I thought.

[GoMuskies]

Speaking of James Posey.......

I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they had interviewed Kobe and they asked him about the best defenders he faced, he ultimately said Tony Allen was the toughest but mentioned about 4-5 other guys that were the toughest and Posey was one of them. Pretty sweet I thought.

This is honestly amazing, because as a Prop 48 freshman James Posey literally couldn't guard me. He must have been an amazingly hard worker to improve so much.

[American X]

Any way to easily access who wore what number at XU?

#52 Will Caudle Forever!

http://enquirer.com/xavier/2002/12/04/xucaudle_zoom.jpg

[X Factor]

Love when Will used to slap the floor on the defensive end! Haha.

Any guesses where X will be ranked tomorrow? I think we could stay at #12 or maybe move up to 11. I see us moving up in the Coaches Poll to around #14.

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I agree with you X Factor. X probably remains at #12 in the AP ranking, or move up to #11. As for the Coaches Poll, I don't really care what they think.

[X-band '01]

I'm sure X remains at #12 in the AP but climbs a few extra spots in the coaches' poll as the DOBOs learn more about Xavier.

[xukeith]

I'm sure X remains at #12 in the AP but climbs a few extra spots in the coaches' poll as the DOBOs learn more about Xavier.

Kim Adams (BE reporter) tweeted all 5 BE teams moved up. Nova to 6th, XU to 13, Friars to 18, and Butler to 21.
Nice!
Waiting for AP link

[Lloyd Braun]

here (http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll)

Stayed at 12

Nova-9
PC-15
BU-18

[xeus]

We stayed at 12. Nova at 9, Providence at 15, Butler at 18.

AP Poll 12/7/15

(http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings/ap)

[STL_XUfan]

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/xu/2015

Graham Couch is a gentleman and a scholar and Zac Boyer is a jack ass.

[xumuskies08]

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/xu/2015

Graham Couch is a gentleman and a scholar and Zac Boyer is a jack ass.

Well duh, look at this picture of him. Look at that hat. What an ass hat.

http://collegepolltracker.com/images/pollsters/zac-boyer.jpg

Seriously though, how does someone like him get a vote? Perusing his twitter page and all I can find are tweets about the Redskins and Capitals. His last tweet relating to college basketball was on November 16th! Shouldn't you have to cover college basketball in order to get a vote? I dislike things.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Based off the votes we are closer to being #10 than #13, thats nice.

[D-West & PO-Z]

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/xu/2015

Graham Couch is a gentleman and a scholar and Zac Boyer is a jack ass.

If I am looking correctly, at least on my page, Zac Boyer had us 19 last week and this weeks info isnt up yet. Is that correct?

[STL_XUfan]

If I am looking correctly, at least on my page, Zac Boyer had us 19 last week and this weeks info isnt up yet. Is that correct?

You are correct. It looks like when I checked earlier they had accidentally reposted the votes from Nov. 30 and called it December 7. Looks like Zac ranked us 11 this week, so I guess we can end our very short hatred of him (or not, whichever you prefer).

[D-West & PO-Z]

You are correct. It looks like when I checked earlier they had accidentally reposted the votes from Nov. 30 and called it December 7. Looks like Zac ranked us 11 this week, so I guess we can end our very short hatred of him (or not, whichever you prefer).

Haha

[QueensbridgeMF]

Why is Vandy still ranked? They've beaten no one and lost both games they played against good teams

[nuts4xu]

Moved up to #13 in the coaches poll.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

[muskiefan82]

Why is Vandy still ranked? They've beaten no one and lost both games they played against good teams

Don't they play UD this week? That should be interesting.

[xu82]

Moved up to #13 in the coaches poll.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings

Of the 12 teams in front of us in the coaches poll, 7 have a loss. I hope we don't get pounded too badly when (or if? haha) we finally drop a game.

[XUOHTX]

Of the 12 teams in front of us in the coaches poll, 7 have a loss. I hope we don't get pounded too badly when (or if? haha) we finally drop a game.

All depends on who we lose to.

[xu82]

All depends on who we lose to.

Of course, and tomorrow would be horrendous. Next Saturday, while the thought is vile to us, would be less awful in the polls. UNC has a loss to Northern Iowa though, and they're 5-2 with not a lot of great competition.

[muskiefan82]

Of course, and tomorrow would be horrendous. Next Saturday, while the thought is vile to us, would be less awful in the polls. UNC has a loss to Northern Iowa though, and they're 5-2 with not a lot of great competition.

they lost those without Marcus Paige which the voters obviously took into consideration.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Of course, and tomorrow would be horrendous. Next Saturday, while the thought is vile to us, would be less awful in the polls. UNC has a loss to Northern Iowa though, and they're 5-2 with not a lot of great competition.

I was so confused for a min thinking you were saying UNC was 5-2. I thought I was missing something, but now see you are referring to NI being 5-2.

[xu82]

I was so confused for a min thinking you were saying UNC was 5-2. I thought I was missing something, but now see you are referring to NI being 5-2.

I just KNEW as I typed that someone would be confused, but it was (barely) clear enough to me, and I was too lazy to make it more clear. But look at the names of the schools NI has played. They may be surprisingly talented, but I hadn't heard of most of them. And UNC lost to NI and is still in the top 5. I doubt we get that much grace.

[Masterofreality]

Nice. 4 Big East Teams ranked. NO A-10.

[D-West & PO-Z]

Moved up 1 spot to #11 in ESPN power rankings.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings

[D-West & PO-Z]

Highest is #10 by Farnham, Katz, and Goodman.

Lowest is #12 by several.

[BMoreX]

10 in the coaches

[GoMuskies]

UC lost to Xavier....and moved UP. RESPECT!

[xeus]

UC lost to Xavier....and moved UP. RESPECT!

Thanks to Puff the Magic Dragon.

[xeus]

10 in the AP

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

[X-band '01]

Did the coaches/DOBOs realize UCLA beat Gonzaga last weekend in Spokane?

[Masterofreality]

Did the coaches/DOBOs realize UCLA beat Gonzaga last weekend in Spokane?

Gonzaga is Teflon. Were you there? Did you hear?

[xufan2434]

#10 overall in new ESPN Power Rankings.. Got as high as 4 from Katz and 5 from Goodman.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings

[Bearcat_Bounce]

We're 10 weeks away from being #1 in the Coaches Poll. We just have to lose to Xavier every week for the next 2 and a half months. Go Cats!

[XUFan09]

If Kansas or Maryland or Kentucky or Duke were on the front of the jersey, there's no way anyone would rank Xavier outside the top 10. Instead, there were a number that did. Just embarrassing.

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[MuskieXU]

If Kansas or Maryland or Kentucky or Duke were on the front of the jersey, there's no way anyone would rank Xavier outside the top 10. Instead, there were a number that did. Just embarrassing.

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Agreed. But the beauty of CBB is that come March the name on the front of the jersey doesnt matter one bit.

[XUFan09]

Agreed. But the beauty of CBB is that come March the name on the front of the jersey doesnt matter one bit.
And the Selection Committee doesn't care much about the name on the jersey, so seeding isn't an issue either.

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[X-man]

#9 overall in new ESPN Power Rankings.. Got as high as 4 from Katz and 5 from Goodman.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/powerrankings

Fixed that for you.

[muskiefan82]

I want to take a minute and bask in the glory of a conference with 4 teams in the top 25, another receiving votes, and every team above .500 with at least 9 games played (even DePaul is 5-4) THIS is what I hoped for.

[Masterofreality]

We're 10 weeks away from being #1 in the Coaches Poll. We just have to lose to Xavier every week for the next 2 and a half months. Go Cats!

This is funny! We'll done Bearcat.

[Masterofreality]

I want to take a minute and bask in the glory of a conference with 4 teams in the top 25, another receiving votes, and every team above .500 with at least 9 games played (even DePaul is 5-4) THIS is what I hoped for.

And that is without the "worldwide leader" pimping the conference ad nauseum. In fact, no media outlet- other than the Fox Family, hardly pays any attention to the Big East and it's doings.

Just gotta bust the door down.

[X-Fan]

I want to take a minute and bask in the glory of a conference with 4 teams in the top 25, another receiving votes, and every team above .500 with at least 9 games played (even DePaul is 5-4) THIS is what I hoped for.

Absolutely! And actually two other teams receiving votes! It's awesome to be in a conference where there are so many solid programs. Besides the ESPN cronies doing their best to discount the Big East, everyone else is quickly recognizing what a solid conference this is. The conference season is going to be NUTS this year, and it was already great the last two years!

[X-Fan]

And that is without the "worldwide leader" pimping the conference ad nauseum. In fact, no media outlet- other than the Fox Family, hardly pays any attention to the Big East and it's doings.

Just gotta bust the door down.

Speaking of this, I was a bit disappointed that FS1 didn't feature the X/uc game more in their Fox Sports Live Saturday night show. Maybe they had intended to, but once the UFC fight was over, that was all they focused on. As "annoying" as ESPN was in promoting the Big East back in the day, I wish Fox would follow their lead and really build up the Big East. It would certainly benefit them as well.

[scoscox]

If Kansas or Maryland or Kentucky or Duke were on the front of the jersey, there's no way anyone would rank Xavier outside the top 10. Instead, there were a number that did. Just embarrassing.

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Oh no doubt. People aren't ready to admit their projections were way off. Playing in the big east though and consistently playing big games in conference I hope will soon eliminate that mentality though. We're certainly a more dynamic offensive team than anyone I've seen so far and play excellent defense.I don't know how you objectively watch these teams play and would still put virginia, iowa state, or maryland above us. And it'd be nice to not have to fight such an uphill battle to get respect going into march because you know the leash that Xavier will get if we lose any games will be much shorter than other teams. We won't get the litany of excuses that are given teams that are blessed by the favorable views of the media. Xavier not initially being viewed as an elite team coming into the year hurts us in that the media types are loathe to change their opinions.

Mick said something in his press conference about how both he and Chris both have to deal with not getting any respect at the beginning of the year every single year and I think that's true. It's absurd how quickly we are ignored after having any success, yet we still come back and have a good team every year. This year, if you paid any attention, you had any idea that this team was going to be filthy. Most of last year I thought if we just got Stainbrook and Dee out of the game and let our better athletes play our offense would really open up because, while they both had good years personally, I thought that the pure talent and athleticism level of the guys waiting behind them was better. I don't think Dee trusted the other guys with the ball in their hands like he should have and I thought that hurt us. As we're seeing this year, the potential for those guys of all sharing the basketball and scoring is astounding. Every scholarship guy on this team is individually a good basketball player in a way that I can personally never remember Xavier having. (The worst individually skilled guy is Remy and he is still an excellent slasher, serviceable shooter, outstanding defender and top level athlete) Stain was solid, but I really thought leaving in the bruising twin towers of Farr and Reynolds could punish teams. Anyway, after last year ended I knew we were gonna be filthy and the amount of disregard for a team coming off a year like we had with the talent coming back was staggering. I couldn't believe it. Hopefully, the Muskies keep winning and proving everyone wrong because I think a lot of our players feel the same way.

[scoscox]

Speaking of this, I was a bit disappointed that FS1 didn't feature the X/uc game more in their Fox Sports Live Saturday night show. Maybe they had intended to, but once the UFC fight was over, that was all they focused on. As "annoying" as ESPN was in promoting the Big East back in the day, I wish Fox would follow their lead and really build up the Big East. It would certainly benefit them as well.

The main problem with Fox is that they don't have any college basketball writers. They have excellent television analysts and programming, but their written content is pathetic. They need writers that actually cover college basketball.

[THRILLHOUSE]

The "BPI" is a stupid ESPN created metric that has no bearing on anything...but it has X as #5, so I don't hate it at the moment. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bpi

[scoscox]

What if Sumner was backing up Semaj right now? Honestly I'm not sure how that would work out, but we'd have an absurd team.

[bobbiemcgee]

Ed played 34 mins. against the Bearcats. Probably the new norm.

[blobfan]

I want to take a minute and bask in the glory of a conference with 4 teams in the top 25, another receiving votes, and every team above .500 with at least 9 games played (even DePaul is 5-4) THIS is what I hoped for.

Can we also bask in the glory of being underrated at #10 in both polls? I may not be ready to declare us championship bound but I'm loving the journey, wherever it leads.

[xudash]

Can we also bask in the glory of being underrated at #10 in both polls? I may not be ready to declare us championship bound but I'm loving the journey, wherever it leads.

We are sneaking up in a relative sense.

[MADXSTER]

Oh no doubt. People aren't ready to admit their projections were way off. Playing in the big east though and consistently playing big games in conference I hope will soon eliminate that mentality though. We're certainly a more dynamic offensive team than anyone I've seen so far and play excellent defense.I don't know how you objectively watch these teams play and would still put virginia, iowa state, or maryland above us. And it'd be nice to not have to fight such an uphill battle to get respect going into march because you know the leash that Xavier will get if we lose any games will be much shorter than other teams. We won't get the litany of excuses that are given teams that are blessed by the favorable views of the media. Xavier not initially being viewed as an elite team coming into the year hurts us in that the media types are loathe to change their opinions.

Mick said something in his press conference about how both he and Chris both have to deal with not getting any respect at the beginning of the year every single year and I think that's true. It's absurd how quickly we are ignored after having any success, yet we still come back and have a good team every year.

It will not happen, but I've always thought that the OFFICIAL poll should not come out until the 3rd week of the season. That way preseason bias wouldn't/shouldn't come into play nearly as much.

[KC4X]

We need more voters like this...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2015/12/15/couch-column-ap-college-basketball-rankings/77312898/

[D-West & PO-Z]

We need more voters like this...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2015/12/15/couch-column-ap-college-basketball-rankings/77312898/

Fantastic, thanks for posting.

[GoMuskies]

We need more voters like this...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2015/12/15/couch-column-ap-college-basketball-rankings/77312898/

Who knew 'brew wrote for a paper in Lansing?

[Xtemporaneous]

We need more voters like this...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2015/12/15/couch-column-ap-college-basketball-rankings/77312898/

Was just about to post this! All voters should be this dedicated. How can we lobby for a new crop of voters?

[scoscox]

We need more voters like this...
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/sports/columnists/graham-couch/2015/12/15/couch-column-ap-college-basketball-rankings/77312898/

This guy gets it.

[Emp]

What if Sumner was backing up Semaj right now? Honestly I'm not sure how that would work out, but we'd have an absurd team.

WADR, NOOOOOOOOO. WAAAAAAAAY. the present chemistry works because everyone scores. At this point in a theoretical college career Semaj would want 20 shots a game and everyone would be standing around. We're so much better with Sumner starting.

[D-West & PO-Z]

WADR, NOOOOOOOOO. WAAAAAAAAY. the present chemistry works because everyone scores. At this point in a theoretical college career Semaj would want 20 shots a game and everyone would be standing around. We're so much better with Sumner starting.

I knew someone would say something similar to this and I just dont think it is true.

I'm not saying we are or arent better with Sumner over Semaj, but what I dont think is true is that Semaj would shoot 20 times a game. We had a pretty thin roster in Semaj's time, especially his freshman year. He had to be a volume shooter and scorer because we did have any others. I mean when Justin Martin is your next best go to player you have some issues. We were lucky to have Semaj those two years and I think we'd be lucky to have him now if we did. I'm sure he would have died to have some of the players we have now and the talent.

[Steve A]

This guy gets it.

This guy gets it more.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/aaron-brenner/2015/week-6

[Emp]

We kinda (?)agree that we're better with Edmund.

Reasonable minds can and do differ on whether a coach can take shots away from a senior leading scorer. It worked with Stanley Burrell, to my amazement. It would, in a parallel universe, amaze me even more in Cristons case. He never met a shot he didn't like.

[D-West & PO-Z]

We kinda (?)agree that we're better with Edmund.

Reasonable minds can and do differ on whether a coach can take shots away from a senior leading scorer. It worked with Stanley Burrell, to my amazement. It would, in a parallel universe, amaze me even more in Cristons case. He never met a shot he didn't like.

Yeah its obviously hard to know one way or other. I just think a lot of what Semaj did was out of necessity and Xavier was lucky to have him or else it could have been a disastrous 2 years. I think we are great with Sumner, I think we would have been great with both. Its not like Sumner doesnt like to shoot and is averaging a ton of assists per game. But Sumner had been pretty amazing as a frosh.

[scoscox]

I knew someone would say something similar to this and I just dont think it is true.

I'm not saying we are or arent better with Sumner over Semaj, but what I dont think is true is that Semaj would shoot 20 times a game. We had a pretty thin roster in Semaj's time, especially his freshman year. He had to be a volume shooter and scorer because we did have any others. I mean when Justin Martin is your next best go to player you have some issues. We were lucky to have Semaj those two years and I think we'd be lucky to have him now if we did. I'm sure he would have died to have some of the players we have now and the talent.

Yea, honestly Sumner and Semaj are extremely similar. Semaj ran a pretty effective point at Brewster and still scored within the offense. I think he would've loved this team with all the shooters the lane would be his. Probably a toss up, but adding a guy like Semaj Christon to your team would never be detrimental. You hit it spot on. Those teams were absolutely painful on offense to watch outside of Semaj and we asked him to shoulder way more than he really would in a competent offense.

[scoscox]

Yes he does. That's how I see it as well and I think you could make the argument that Oklahoma, X, and Purdue have all looked more impressive than Michigan State. They're the last establishment pick and they're holding on for dear life. I would probably flip OU and Purdue at 2 and 4. I like these extreme pick guys. It gives a little fresh life into the tired opinions of the same analysts who more or less get to decide who the good teams are every year aka ESPN's stable of analysts. They get so comfortable with front running that good teams get screwed sometimes.

[paulxu]

This guy gets it more.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/aaron-brenner/2015/week-6

We're just smarter in South Carolina.

[XUMIOH12]

Yeah its obviously hard to know one way or other. I just think a lot of what Semaj did was out of necessity and Xavier was lucky to have him or else it could have been a disastrous 2 years. I think we are great with Sumner, I think we would have been great with both. Its not like Sumner doesnt like to shoot and is averaging a ton of assists per game. But Sumner had been pretty amazing as a frosh.

i agree with most of this. I think Semaj was misused out of necessity. Coming out of high school he was known as a PG who was fast, could get to the basket, and pass. He was forced to play off the ball a lot, and score more than he was capable of, resulting in some tough shooting games. He would be the star on this team, but the fact that we have a good PG now makes it pretty much irrelevant since we arent lacking a PG.

[XUFan09]

This guy gets it more.

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollster/aaron-brenner/2015/week-6
It's embarrassing that someone has Xavier as low as 14 and someone (maybe the same moron?) has Purdue as low as 18. I mean, what the hell?

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[XfansinKy]

Remy, Edmon, Kaiser, Austin, and Jalen are all elite leapers at any level. I can't remember us having that many players with freakish athletic ability in a while.
I read on an Indiana board that Remy was squatting at or near 500 as a sophomore. I also read somewhere that Jalen benches 185 more times than Lebron currently does. Don't know how true any is or how it relates to on court performance but if even near true, we are the most athletic team in the Big East.

[Xtemporaneous]

Let the asshat voters know how you feel. You can vote for their polls - http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollsters/2015

[muskiefan82]

Let the asshat voters know how you feel. You can vote for their polls - http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/pollsters/2015

Bob Sutton and Jeff Faraudo are idiots. Chris Goff seems like he has a dark side.

[XUMIOH12]

Remy, Edmon, Kaiser, Austin, and Jalen are all elite leapers at any level. I can't remember us having that many players with freakish athletic ability in a while.
I read on an Indiana board that Remy was squatting at or near 500 as a sophomore. I also read somewhere that Jalen benches 185 more times than Lebron currently does. Don't know how true any is or how it relates to on court performance but if even near true, we are the most athletic team in the Big East.

i havent seen enough of Kaiser's leaping ability yet, but i definitely wouldnt say Remy is an elite leaper. He has very good straight line and lateral speed. But he is not a high riser at all. If he was an elite leaper, a lot of those transition layups would be dunks.

[paulxu]

You can see Gates jump on the second video

https://twitter.com/CaseyFraleigh9

[XUMIOH12]

You can see Gates jump on the second video

https://twitter.com/CaseyFraleigh9

no offense to gates as he is a really good athlete, but there a lots of 6-8 players who can dunk like that.

[Emp]

no offense to gates as he is a really good athlete, but there a lots of 6-8 players who can dunk like that.

But the thing is, he IS 6-8. And he's only our 10th guy, and a frosh, and giving us serviceable minutes. We're a pretty big team with hops was the point.

[xukeith]

I bet London can dunk athletically too. I can't wait to see his skills and body work come together as a junior!! HUGE!!

[xuwin]

I bet London can dunk athletically too. I can't wait to see his skills and body work come together as a junior!! HUGE!!

London is going to be a big shot blocker. I see him developing into a defensive force inside as he adds weight and experience.

[X-man]

I bet London can dunk athletically too. I can't wait to see his skills and body work come together as a junior!! HUGE!!

He did win the dunk contest at last years Musketeer Madness. Tried to throw two balls down on the same leap, as I recall.

[D-West & PO-Z]

He did win the dunk contest at last years Musketeer Madness. Tried to throw two balls down on the same leap, as I recall.

Did he complete it, or did just trying get him the win?

[Emp]

Apropos nothing but ranking thread........both my alma maters, HS and undergrad, are ranked nationally in the top 10. Life is good!