X has the opportunity...

[muskiefan82]

...to do something that is probably unprecedented. X can potentially beat every local team. UC, UD, Miami, NKU, Wright State and even WKU.

[X-band '01]

If we count Western Kentucky, then Xavier has to add Louisville, Eastern Kentucky, Murray State and Morehead State to the schedule.

[Muncie]

I see UK is being overlooked

[GoMuskies]

And Kentucky. And Ohio State. And Indiana. And IUPUI.

[xu82]

And Hawaii. Where is the line? I'd go to Hawaii before OSU. (Wish the wife agreed.)

[muskiefan82]

No Wku then. 50 mile limit

[Emp]

What's wrong with t he mythical Miami valley championship? No need to be greedy. Owning the teams we hate the most is sufficient for mid december.

[Snipe]

We do own them. And they know we own them.

[toledodan]

right now i'm happy we own dayton :laugh:

[nasdadjr]

On pure athletic ability and talent this may be Xavier's best team ever since The Run team.

[Roach]

We do own them. And they know we own them.

We've certainly owned them over the past 15 to 20 years. But historically, UD still holds the edge 85-76. That's not UD owning X, mind you. It simply illustrates the program UD once had, but no longer does.

[OTRMUSKIE]

Don't forget Cincinnati State, Transylvania, Bluegrass Community College. Let's beat them all!!!

[Roach]

Don't forget Cincinnati State, Transylvania, Bluegrass Community College. Let's beat them all!!!

And Miami-Middletown, Sinclair Community College, Central State, Wilberforce, Antioch, Wittenberg, Clark State, Miami Jacobs and ITT Tech. I can't understand why we don't schedule these local powers.

[XfansinKy]

Don't forget Cincinnati State, Transylvania, Bluegrass Community College. Let's beat them all!!!

Shouldn't have much trouble with BCTC. I go to school there n play for them.(Don't have a team)

[BMoreX]

Don't forget Cincinnati State, Transylvania, Bluegrass Community College. Let's beat them all!!!

I think UC plays those guys.

[xufan2434]

"@DavidWorlock: Someone needs to organize an annual classic featuring Ohio State, Cincinnati, Xavier and Dayton, much like ND, IU, Purdue and Butler."

Wish this would actually happen. Unfortunately OSU would never agree to it. I think the other 3 would 100% be in though. Maybe if OSU has a bad year this year, they'll reconsider.

[muskiefan82]

They are all in different conferences. It would work. Might want to rotate the 4th team though. Keep OSU, UC, and XU and then rotate in another Ohio team. Kent. St.; Miami, Toledo, BGSU, Cleveland St., UD, etc.

Have to give those other guys a shot.

[ammtd34]

"@DavidWorlock: Someone needs to organize an annual classic featuring Ohio State, Cincinnati, Xavier and Dayton, much like ND, IU, Purdue and Butler."

Wish this would actually happen. Unfortunately OSU would never agree to it. I think the other 3 would 100% be in though. Maybe if OSU has a bad year this year, they'll reconsider.

They're well on their way.

[xeus]

I have no interest in committing to something like this. It doesn't create any advantage for XU whatsoever.

[outsideobserver11]

And Miami-Middletown, Sinclair Community College, Central State, Wilberforce, Antioch, Wittenberg, Clark State, Miami Jacobs and ITT Tech. I can't understand why we don't schedule these local powers.

Purposely leaving out my Wilmington College Quakers I see!!!

[GoMuskies]

I'd be okay with it as a simple double-header, with Xavier playing Ohio State one year and Dayton the next (with UC playing the one Xavier doesn't play). Sort of like the Big Four Classic that Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana and Notre Dame (one of these is not like the others) held for a few years at the Hoosier Dome.

[Xville]

I have no interest in committing to something like this. It doesn't create any advantage for XU whatsoever.

I can think of a few:

1.) good rpi opponent almost every year
2.) Out of conference good game which we need and would make things easier on scheduling. From what I hear its not exactly easy to schedule non-conference games against good competition.
3.) Games would most likely be on national tv....always a good thing.

[Olsingledigit]

I'd be okay with it as a simple double-header, with Xavier playing Ohio State one year and Dayton the next (with UC playing the one Xavier doesn't play). Sort of like the Big Four Classic that Kentucky, Louisville, Indiana and Notre Dame (one of these is not like the others) held for a few years at the Hoosier Dome.

Actually the original four team classic was held many years ago (as far back as when I was a child and I am 70 now) and was called the "Hoosier Classic". It involved a four team "tournament" each year with Butler, Indiana, Purdue and Notre Dame. Back then the Big 10 would not allow Indiana and Purdue to play outside of the conference schedule so it ended up being a four game classic with Purdue and Indiana switching between Butler and ND. So there were four games a year over two days. They sort of revived that a few years ago but it didn't last long.

[nuts4xu]

From the conversations I have had with Greg Christopher and others, there is very little chance of us adding dayton to the schedule any time soon.

I wouldn't mind a non conference game against the melon humpers, but I don't care if we ever play them again.

[gladdenguy]

On pure athletic ability and talent this may be Xavier's best team ever since The Run team.

The Run part 2 or part 1?
I will argue that this is the most talented team since the 08 team with Burrell, Lavender, Duncan, BJ, CJ, DBrown, etc.

As for the Run part 1 with Sato, Chalmers, Myles......I don't think they were as talented as the 08 team and this team but they peaked at the absolute right time and they were playing as good of basketball as any team in the country.

The two previous teams were both Elite 8 teams.....and 04 was 5 minutes away from a final four. Hopefully this year can challenge those 2 exceptional squads.

[xufan2434]

The Run part 2 or part 1?
I will argue that this is the most talented team since the 08 team with Burrell, Lavender, Duncan, BJ, CJ, DBrown, etc.

As for the Run part 1 with Sato, Chalmers, Myles......I don't think they were as talented as the 08 team and this team but they peaked at the absolute right time and they were playing as good of basketball as any team in the country.

The two previous teams were both Elite 8 teams.....and 04 was 5 minutes away from a final four. Hopefully this year can challenge those 2 exceptional squads.

I'd honesty argue this team has more raw talent than the 08' team. Those guys were great, but we're good cause they played great team ball and fundamentals were on point (also, a lot of older guys). While DBrown was unreal athlete, Sumner and Jalen have tangibles that are unmatched. Trevon also is playing on a different planet right now. I've never been as confident in another X player to make a shot from any spot on the floor with that kind of release. He's mastered that long jumper just inside the arc. Usually the worst shot in basketball but he makes it more often than not and they keep giving him space

[kyxu]

Xavier should win their next two with ease, but getting through UC and Auburn -- both also at home -- would allow this team to set the record for best start in school history.

[xubrew]

Xavier should win their next two with ease, but getting through UC and Auburn -- both also at home -- would allow this team to set the record for best start in school history.

I'm not scared of Auburn, especially if they're still beat up with injuries. They're decent at home, but not so good on the road.

UC on the other hand.....

[Lamont Sanford]

From the conversations I have had with Greg Christopher and others, there is very little chance of us adding dayton to the schedule any time soon.

I wouldn't mind a non conference game against the melon humpers, but I don't care if we ever play them again.

As long as Mack is here, the ONLY time we will play the Humpers will be in tourneys. I agree with that stance too.

[kyxu]

I'm not scared of Auburn, especially if they're still beat up with injuries. They're decent at home, but not so good on the road.

UC on the other hand.....

Yeah, I agree. UC is quite good, but I feel better about our chances at Cintas.

The Butler-UC game on Wednesday should be interesting.

[xubrew]

"@DavidWorlock: Someone needs to organize an annual classic featuring Ohio State, Cincinnati, Xavier and Dayton, much like ND, IU, Purdue and Butler."

Wish this would actually happen. Unfortunately OSU would never agree to it. I think the other 3 would 100% be in though. Maybe if OSU has a bad year this year, they'll reconsider.

Well, then do it without Ohio State.

Xavier, Dayton, UC, Wright State, Miami OH, and NKU are all in different conferences. Any five of those could simply play a round robin tournament and count it as an exempt event. And, doing so doesn't mean that we can't be in another exempt event. It just means that one of them will count as individual games. We play them all this year anyway, so what's the difference?? We could have gotten an extra game on the schedule.

[Caveat]

Xavier should win their next two with ease, but getting through UC and Auburn -- both also at home -- would allow this team to set the record for best start in school history.

UC terrifies me.

They look to be as-advertised.

[JTG]

We've certainly owned them over the past 15 to 20 years. But historically, UD still holds the edge 85-76. That's not UD owning X, mind you. It simply illustrates the program UD once had, but no longer does.

UD was decent, but that record is more a result of Xavier, not giving a shit, or spending any money on basketball for 20+years from the 60s to early 80s

[D-West & PO-Z]

F UC. The game is always a crap shoot and it can always go either way but I dont see any reason we should be scared of them or shouldnt be able to beat them. As always it will be a tough game and as usual it will probably go down to the wire but being at the Cintas I like our chances.

[JTG]

Well, then do it without Ohio State.

Xavier, Dayton, UC, Wright State, Miami OH, and NKU are all in different conferences. Any five of those could simply play a round robin tournament and count it as an exempt event. And, doing so doesn't mean that we can't be in another exempt event. It just means that one of them will count as individual games. We play them all this year anyway, so what's the difference?? We could have gotten an extra game on the schedule.

No one wants to spend money to see Miami, Wright State or NKU. X Dayton, UC and OSU is the only way it has any pop. OSU won't do it, and since we already play UC, we would play UD or OSU on alternating years. This won't happen because the BIG, and by extension, OSU have more money than GOD, so they have no reason to play it.

[XUFan09]

I like the idea of UC and X switching off playing OSU and UD, but yeah, OSU would never do it and Xavier would never do it either.

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[Emp]

No one wants to spend money to see Miami, Wright State or NKU. X Dayton, UC and OSU is the only way it has any pop. OSU won't do it, and since we already play UC, we would play UD or OSU on alternating years. This won't happen because the BIG, and by extension, OSU have more money than GOD, so they have no reason to play it.

Ohio State athletic department is so profitable that it actually gives money to the academic program, like $5-10M a year. Not even Michigan is that flush. Texas, with its own TV network, tops all.

[blobfan]

These are the types of threads that mess up the juju and lead to important players having season ending injuries.

[SC in DC]

UC might hang for a half like the Criers did, but in the end X by 10+

[XUFan09]

These are the types of threads that mess up the juju and lead to important players having season ending injuries.
Well, apparently Edmond Sumner has one every other day, so we're OK on that front.

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[Xavier]

UC terrifies me.

They look to be as-advertised.

I actually disagree. They will be solid, no doubt. Last two games made me think they weren't as good as originally thought. Still offensively challenged (shocking, huh?). If they get out and run they can put up points- half court offense leaves a lot to be desired though.

We will get a better idea after they play Butler, who I think will beat UC.

[Xville]

Uc should be a good challenge but I am by no means terrified. I think we beat them by 7-8. They have weaknesses on the offensive end. They beat gw by 5 at home..not exactly a dominating performance against an ok team. If they beat butler by 5 or more, then I'll be a bit concerned.

[bigdiggins]

Uc should be a good challenge but I am by no means terrified. I think we beat them by 7-8. They have weaknesses on the offensive end. They beat gw by 5 at home..not exactly a dominating performance against an ok team. If they beat butler by 5 or more, then I'll be a bit concerned.

UC moved their homecourt to Brooklyn?

[MADXSTER]

According to Ken Pomeroy there are 28 unbeaten teams remaining

[xubrew]

No one wants to spend money to see Miami, Wright State or NKU. X Dayton, UC and OSU is the only way it has any pop. OSU won't do it, and since we already play UC, we would play UD or OSU on alternating years. This won't happen because the BIG, and by extension, OSU have more money than GOD, so they have no reason to play it.

We're already playing Miami, Wright State, and NKU at home. The arena wasn't empty for Miami and NKU.

Perhaps I wasn't entirely clear. This doesn't have to be at a neutral site to obtain exempt status. It has to be at least five teams, they all have to be from different conferences, each team can play up to four games, and all the games must take place within a fourteen day period. That's it. They could play all the games at campus sites, and still have it technically be an exempt tournament. We don't need Ohio State for that, and since we played all of those teams anyway, why not try and make it an exempt event and get a few extra games against other teams out of the deal??

[GoMuskies]

If we can only do one exempt event a year, why would we want to do it with that dreck?

[X-man]

UC terrifies me.

They look to be as-advertised.

WTF? UC appears to be what they always are, physical on defense and offensively challenged. That typically doesn't create a problem for us, and this team is better and more talented across the board than any X team in recent memory. Add in the home court and we win comfortably. I will be surprised if the margin is less than 12-15 points.

[xubrew]

If we can only do one exempt event a year, why would we want to do it with that dreck?

Because you can do more than just one. It's just that if you do that, you have to count each game of the second tournament as one game. Hawaii often does this.

This year, we could have played any of the other seven teams from Orlando in an unbracketed game. We didn't.

Or, we could have made any combination of Wright State, Cincinnati, Miami, and NKU into an exempt event as well, and counted that instead of the Advocare. Doing this means we get 27 games in addition to those four. The Advocare games would have counted as 3 of the 27, but we'd still have room for one more game against any one else. As it stands now, we're only playing 30.

EDIT: If buy games are pretty interchangeable, then let's see if Wright State, Miami, and NKU want to be on the receiving end of a buy game at UC and at X every year. X and UC rotate home and home, so we both get a home and home and three buy games out of the deal. WSU, Miami, and NKU each get two paydays, and two home and homes out of it. Each team then gets to schedule 27 games in addition to that, for a total of 31. If we want to be in another exempt event, then great!! We still get 31 games every year either way.

[xu82]

WTF? UC appears to be what they always are, physical on defense and offensively challenged. That typically doesn't create a problem for us, and this team is better and more talented across the board than any X team in recent memory. Add in the home court and we win comfortably. I will be surprised if the margin is less than 12-15 points.

I'm not saying I disagree (I haven't even seen UC play yet this year), but I'm never terribly confident with rivalry games. Anything can happen when emotions get so high. And the thought of losing is just so painful. That's just me.....

[xeus]

I can think of a few:

1.) good rpi opponent almost every year
2.) Out of conference good game which we need and would make things easier on scheduling. From what I hear its not exactly easy to schedule non-conference games against good competition.
3.) Games would most likely be on national tv....always a good thing.

We have all those things. All this would do is add Ohio State and/or Dayton/Kent St?etc. I think Mario has always done a great job scheduling the non-con. Our tv coverage is already impressive - not sure what adding one nationally televised game (at the expense of being forced to play a BGSU or Dayton) does for us. I don't see this type of arrangement making X a better program, nor do I think many fans would really find it all that interesting.

[throwbackmuskie]

UC terrifies me.

They look to be as-advertised.

yeah, same here, all those wins over juggernaut teams like Western Carolina, Robert Morris, Ark Pine Bluff, SE Louisiana are huge!